2018 Mustang vs. Camaro Sales! Doom & Gloom??? | Lethal Real Talk
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- Camaro sales are falling, which is normal as they announce and prep for a new refresh release, but how low is too low and how are the Mustang and Challenger models doing? Why have sales of Camaro tanked, and what do we think the 2019 release will do for GM. Could the Camaro line of cars be in trouble? Let’s get some Real Talk going.
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I’m Ford guy all the way but I still dont want Chevy or dodge to do bad to were they have to stop making cars. Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger owners need each other it’s good for the blood.
I'm a camaro fan and mustang really needs competition for fans to like it. hope all 3 pony cars stay alive
Plus if they stop production than the mustang won’t evolve
The Mustang went unchallenged for years and it was a giant pile of crap. We need competition, without it the Coyote motor would never have been made to compete with the LS3.
i'm a chevy/ bmw guy. I sadly went the route of the mustang this time around. It was in my price range as new older stock and it's got such a modifiable platform. The bang for the buck in 2018 was def. the ecoboost mustang. especially with the 10 speed auto nothing beats it. It also has the same platform as the 35 series of bmws i was looking at, but slightly cheaper to mod and brand new vs 40k+ mile cars that would need servicing right away.
Also the rivalry is great and I have a competitive spirit and I like the Camaro
The problem with Camaro, is they didn't really design it to be a great daily driver. I drove a couple, and they all ride rough, and visibility is terrible. It's looks sharp, but meant to be more of a pure sporty track machine. The Challenger is good for highway cruising, and drag racing, but handling is fairly disappointing, coupled with a visually bland interior.
Without a doubt, the Mustang is a much nicer car to drive all the time. It has the best visibility, a super nice daily highway ride, a usable trunk, and is more sporty than the Challenger. That's pretty much why Mustang is #1 in sales. It's just a nicer car all around.
Condor1970 Camaro sells are dropping but Chevy can ride it our for awhile and build demand for a new body since the current car has already paid for its initial development cost long ago.
This dude must've never seen the trunk of a Challenger lmao
@@WhiskiesNCarkeys I never said anything about the trunk. I said it's a great highway cruiser, but the sporty handling is not very good compared to Camaro or Mustang, and the interior is bland. After test driving, that is my objective opinion.
@@Condor1970 Your first comment literally says the mustang has a usable trunk when it's pretty much similiar to the size of the Camaro's. The Challenger has the biggest trunk in this segment.
@@WhiskiesNCarkeys Again, learn to read and comprehend. I said the Mustang has a "usable" trunk. I DID NOT say the Challenger "doesn't". Nor did I say the Camaro doesn't. Although the trunk lid on the Camaro is more restrictive than the others. The Challenger has the biggest trunk, but is not the best all around sport coupe. If it was, it would easily be leading sales, because people in our category look at all aspects of a car they can drive everday. The Challenger is great going in a straight line, but outside of that, it's a very boring car to drive. Fast, but extremely heavy, and not nimble at all. It also has the worst gas mileage for the V8's, and the worst overall reliability.
My 2017 Camaro ended up being a lemon. So instead I'm going to get a 2002 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am with a T top. Can't wait!
@dannie curlett my issues have nothing to do with beating on the car. My transmission is just bad.
My 2016 was a lemon. Rear Diff/Torque converter problems constantly.
Naythan Jones it’s a chebby
Naythan Jones ws6 trans am or bust, will go 175mph stock
If they made a new t/a I would buy 1
Anytime I drive past one of those cars I check to see which model it is. They're almost never the v8 version (GT/SS/etc)
One of the problems that have turned ppl away from camaros is the visibility is horrible! I know 3 ppl that bought Mustangs and challengers purely because they couldn't see out of the camaro
I love my 2016 2ss A8, I did a 1000 mile round trip to Las Vegas for 11 day it fit two full size suitcases in back no problem with the back seat folded down and still got 26 mpg with all the extra weight and my wife and I in the car driving 65 to 85 mph all the way even took it up two 100 a couple of times it's so easy to drive at high speed lucky i didn't get a ticket. Also did a 12.21 at the drag strip in the summertime bone stock with stock tires.
They need to drop the price. The Challenger R/T starts at 34k and the Mustang GT starts at 35k, while the Camaro SS starts at 38k. People who don't have brand biases are gonna see those prices and go for the cheaper cars. Not only that but Chevy is increasing the price for the 2019 model. They need to chill if they want to outsell Ford or Dodge.
You speak a lot of facts. I think you hit the head in the nail by saying that the “versatility” doesn’t match the rest of the muscle cars. The majority of us want a car we can take to work and show off... then at the end of the day, take our friends, family, or kids COMFORTABLY out in town without breaking the bank. At some point GM has to stop with “electrical” upgrades and focus on what really matters.
I agree Chevy definitely needs more Camaro specific commercials.
I’ve never been a camaro guy but I’d hate to see it disappear again, same with charger and challenger
Thanks for this video lethal, great explanation of the situation now, but still, 19 look is just...doesn't grow really. Trying to like it but yeah...
It seems they are selling faster than the 2018 cars
Was thinking of getting a Dodge but you've intrigued me... I will look into a Camaro and then make my decision.... Plus I don't like the new 5 year plan that Fiat has...
Traded in my beautiful c6 for my gen6 camaro. Love it. Love iit!
I wanted a 6th gen camaro ss because I loved the look and the power. But the price for camaros is just too high. Settled for 2014 5.0 with low miles and haven’t regretted it since. Still have love for camaros but from my experience, it’s the price that holds camaros down
If i can't afford an ss camaro i won't buy one. And that's why i don't have one. But to be fair average good car price is in the mid 30k. And im sure that's still high for the average American.
Price is too high. 80% of Americans can't even afford a Camaro let alone a Corvette. That's why sales drop year after year. Price keeps skyrocketing and wages never go up.
This is a false statement based on current demographics. Wages are going up and more people are being bumped to a higher wage class than ever before.
LethalGarage ..... wages haven't gone up in over 10 years. Not sure what state you live in but around here things are getting worse, not better. I'm talking Michigan and any of the automotive manufacturing states. They will never recover.
Ummmm. Your tax cuts alone this year yield a wage increase.
These cars cost more than people make in a year... how is that affordable? You'd need a massive pay upgrade to afford one of these. Not everyone makes 100k a year like you must be thinking. Most people make around 30k
I like the 2018 Camaro's. The 2019 Camaro SS is horrible looking in my opinion. The LT I actually like and the tail lights have really grown on me.
I have a couple big issues with the Camaro and one of them you hit right on the head in this video. The visibility in the windows is just to small for 99% of people.
The other issues I have are the lack of programs and discounts and marketing.
For any LT Camaro with a technology package in Canada, 84 month installments are usually in the high $500 to $600+ range.... that is insane. I have friends with Mustangs who pay $400 a month.
I've been thinking about getting the 2019 Camaro LT but they need to fix all of this.
Come on man why do you have to over exaggerate so much. I'm 6 foot 2 and pretty big. the camaro backseat is easily usable. I fit in back no problem. Obviously head room is next to none but the mustang's the exact same. Just the challenger has room in the back. And yet the middle seat in the back is completely unusable
Don’t like the rough ride nor the view in the car but it is fast
Of which car? The Camaro in tour mode is a very smooth ride.
Personally I think it's because of the new gen cars having issues they shouldn't the ZL1 1LE is amazing on the track but the issues appear on the fit and finish, interior issues and simple stuff breaking way too early. The 18 and 19 mustang's are having engines blow and shifter forks on the manual break. Instead of trying to update and change what they have they need to focus on reliability for a year or 2 and maybe sales will go back up. The challenger is just a joke unless you have a hell cat or demon the lower models are similarly priced but in no way compete with the Camaro or mustang
I gotta give credit to dodge, the challenger outsold the mustang for a few months this year.
Maybe because they piggyback off the transformer movies.....not realizing after the first 2 movies were nothing but horrible dragging down the image.
I bought a 2018 Camaro SS I love it.I blame it on you and your channel 🤷🏼♂️I was thinking of buying it and the push was UA-cam videos especially yours. I have two teenage boys so the few times I have to pick them up I have the room.They love the car and they fit luckily the younger one fits in the back fine. I really only have to pick them up when the wife is at work.I like all the modifications you have done. I have done a few but a little at a time it gets expensive.😎
I really want a zl1 . I just cant afford it.
Well look on the bright side , I'm Sure GM could get another bailout if they needed one lol
Lol I bin saying the same thing it’s not mad for anyone over 5’8”
Ford targeted the Focus ST and Fiesta ST (budget performance ) to the JDM and Millennial crowds, as way to foster brand loyalty. As these consumers upgraded they went to the Mustang Eco Boost and on to the V8's. Dodge went in the other direction. The challenger and even the Charger target demographic was Gen X'ers and Baby Boomers. Appealing to the "good ole days" of cheap big American muscle. With KICK ASS striaght line performance. ( America Every Street Has A Christmas Tree.) Not to mention insane marketing, seriously cool names like the Hellcat and an engine that's as American as apple pie and Mustang....Hemi! This leaves Chevy occupying dead space. As a result Chevy over engineered the performance of the Camaro in a effort to appeal to both dynamics while sacrificing useability and affordability. 2 features that the majority of consumers desire
I never see any SS models. Theyre all RS...
JUST MAKE THE DAMN WINDOWS BIGGER....
Jull3 exactly!!
No
@Jerry Olson I mean....There's a lot of comments and video's proving it
Nothing wrong with the windows
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I really hope camaro sells better. I’m a mustang fan and when GM and ford are fighting for 1st the stuff they come out with is just out of this world who would ever thought almost 500HP on a stock mustang or camaro awesome times were living in hope it don’t change
Totally agree ... competition improves the breed.
Comaro fucked up with the body for none performance drivers. Its built right for speed but it sucks for people that dont race. They need to be more diverse in the next build.
it doesn't*
I can agree, I mean I would like to have people sit in the back every now and then but the roof clearance sucks, not to mention the leg space. Its the same with the coupe ATS. They do share the same body. But with respects to diverse options, the 2019 will offer a wide array of options including opening the 1LE for non V8. The body will remain the same however.
One thing I’ve noticed. Is that the camaro community is very negative with anyone not having an SS or ZL1. If you have a LS orLT you get demonized. And I think over all MOST SS guys discourage people from getting a turbo camaro. So the community can blame themselves. I spent a few weeks in Detroit and the Mustang community love mustangs in general. Over there it’s all love and the focus is Mustang regardless if it’s EcoBoost or GT. And yeah I Love my LT ❤️
Don’t go classing us in that pool. But this statement holds true.
This statement is 100% true. Just look at the big Camaro Facebook groups and you literally see lower end Camaros getting bashed all the time. I’m on my 3rd camaro in 4 years starting with a 1LT moving to what I have now bing a 1LE. I’ve been on both ends of that. BUT, I don’t think that would have a big impact on sales to the general public. I doubt a soccer mom in the 2018 LT her husband bought her is really going to be a part of the community, you know?
Yeah, my home town of Detroit...especially being close to it's world headquarters out in Dearborn is very pro-Mustang. It's almost impossible to not have at least one friend or family member who doesn't currently own one.
very unfortunate
That's to bad your in that kind of a community, it's not like that every where.
price man. Chevy needs to drop the damn price. I've only seen like 2 SS camaros here where I live. There's thousands of v6 camaros tho. meanwhile I've seen about EQUAL amount of v8/v6 mustangs around, but to a much greater extent than the camaros. sad to say, Chevy is just killing the camaro. there's nothing really unique to it, costs a lot, scares most potential buyers because of visibility, and now it actually looks pretty damn ugly(2019 model-). I wish they would just fire their fucking designers and start fresh from the beginning. that's what the camaro needs.
Raúl Youre right. cheapest new 2SS I’ve seen is 44k. When you can get a loaded scat pack for 41k.
Price isn’t a factor when more and more people are buying hellcats
Something Nice just because Hellcats sell doesn't mean price isn't a factor. It just means people are looking specifically for hellcats. When it comes to Camaros, they're being compared to Mustangs and Challengers of similar trims and the Camaro is more than likely the most expensive one which does factor in why there isn't many on the streets.
I agree. Camaro just needs a entry level v8 priced around 32 or 33. They could honestly put the 1SS lower in price range anyways to make that package relevant. All dealers usually have is 2SS Camaros that are loaded anyhow, those Camaros start at 43 grand.
dannie curlett I mean that is what I would do I’m just saying for Chevy to make sales they need to take the 1SS and make it just a V8 with standard wheels and things.
Dude the problem with chevy’s marketing with the Camaro relative to the competitors is that it just doesn’t exist. Every single Chevy commercial targets the Malibu, Cruse or Silverado audience. They need to generate driving excitement in their ads and position the Camaro properly. You’ll rarely, if ever, see a Camaro in any Chevy commercial. Their just doing it completely wrong. I’d go as far to say that if they decided to do every single thing with their marketing the complete opposite - they’d improve at a staggering rate. Look at the people at Chevy that are responsible for Marketing. They all look like complete dorks incapable of understanding their performance audience.
I agree. When was the last time you saw a fun Corvette ad? Never
LethalGarage yep, GM doesn’t like to take risks or have fun, they play it safe and do what they know
Yeah I completely agree, Chevy’s social media marketing is also garbage too compared to other car companies.
GM really does a poor job marketing their performance vehicles!!! Someone needs to lock them in a room with Dodge commercials until it sinks in.
Don't forget that's the same reason why SS sedan went out of production
GM needs to do whatever they need to in order to keep the Camaro on the road. I think the price has a lot to do with it as well!
Total re design. Call it the Chevy Trans AM. Quit with retro look and make it unique to competition.
I went with the 2018 mustang because I get some good things and can fit the little one in the back. Also 0% finance and gm priced the SS out of range of a lot of peoples budget.
dannie curlett yes fully optioned it can be 50k plus but you can most of the goods besides leather and digital dash still be under 40k price tag.
The problem is that these modern muscle cars are too much money. I'm dumping my money into my house not a car that declines in value. Plus these new cars are made out of plastic so they won't last. The only thing that you pay for now a days is technology. Peace out ✌
U CHEAP!!
Drives Prius
He said putting the money into his house, not buying a house.
Plastic and technology. You just described every car on the market.
@@Condor1970 exactly! That's why these cars won't be around long. The car industry want us to keep buying car after car after car. The automobile industry are brainwashing us! I know dudes that basically living out of hotels because they addicted to muscle cars. They blow all their $$$ into these fast cars but in reality don't do have a pot to piss in!
You sir, speak a lot of sense. As you'll see from the image to the left, I'm a Mustang fan (I'm English, and own 2 of them). However, you'll get no Camaro or Challenger hate from me, I love them all, I just happen to be loyal to the Blue Oval. I sincerely hope there IS a 7th Gen Camaro as I believe strong home-grown competition is good for all three pony/muscle cars. Why do I think Camaro sales are in 3rd place? Probably because, as you've pointed out, the Camaro is the most compromised in terms of general usability. Trunks space and greenhouse issues won't stop most enthusiasts from buying a Camaro, but the general public who are in the market for a "nice sporty car that is easy to live with".....they WILL choose one of the others. In one sense I admire GM for keeping the 6th Gen an enthusiasts car, because we'll accept the compromises, but its that that is hurting it in sales. Another thing in the Mustang's favour is the brave decision to produce the car for the rest of the world, including RHD sales. Both my Mustangs were "LHD grey imports" but the S550 is now a VERY popular car here in the UK and even more so in Australia where they've sold 17k in 2 years! All those additional sales around the world add up to make a compelling business case for a 7th Gen Mustang, and there's been at least one article where members of Team Mustang have confirmed they're working on the next gen car already. So, I hope GM take a brave pill and develop a 7th Gen Camaro.....but make it one with more utility (back seat/trunk space/good visibility), sell it world wide and it WILL sell as well as the others. From this Mustang fan, I hope you Camaro guys n gals get to keep living the Camaro life with a next-gen car. It's too good to die again.
It would be nice if the Camaro roof raised at least 1.5 taller make the wheel base 4-5 inches longer so they can increase the back seat a little. Bump up the 2.0L to the 2.7L IL4 and get rid of the V6 the 2.7L could easily make 325hp and 360tor. Take the 6.2L bump that guy up the 485hp and 480tor. Give the ZL1 the ZR1's supercharger and let's make the ZL1 755hp and 710tor. But this is just my fantasy.
Clean car bro. Real car guys will state the facts how they are I own a slow 5.0 lol and I hope the camaro doesn’t go away because it will be a sad day for American muscle cars like it was when the stop building all the bad ass Pontiacs. Great video.
Most definitely the price is killing them along with absolutely not advertising. I see Chevy ads all the time but they are always about the SUVs, the Trucks and the malibu.
Also, the Gen6 didn't really change much from the outside. I have a 2015 2SS and have no desire to move up to the Gen6 and in fact my next car will be a C6 or C7 because I don't need the back seat.
I have fit my 4 person family in mine a couple times, but it isn't that comfortable. Doable but only for short drives.
The Gen5 had 1SS starting in the low 30s, that is not existent anymore. With the i4 coming in too high to begin with they definitely shot themselves in the foot with the Gen6 pricing. My loaded 2SS that I got in right at 40 would cost me about 48 now. Something isn't right there.
I daily drive my 2016 1LT V6, yes the back seats are exactly what you said. Now as a family, we always travel in my wife's traverse where we have room for everyone. The reason I went with the V6 instead of the SS was I wanted to daily drive it and didn't want to be killed by gas prices from lower mileage and not having to use premium in it and it is not a slow car at all just not an SS or a ZL1 obviously. There were many reasons, the price and I wanted to make it as much of a lateral price move from the 2 year old Cruze LTZ RS I had been driving and also be able to keep my 2001 Camaro SS that I have owned since it was sitting on the new car showroom floor and still have a 6th gen, which I just love the design and look of them(2016-2018). I know everyone has different tastes but I just sit in my camaro at the end of the work day and still smile and feel good, still even after 2 years of ownership and have a fun drive home. It's too bad more people who drive the lifeless cars that are just for commuting dont have the insight to make a switch like I did. Oh yeah and I actually get the same gas mileage in my Camaro that I did in the Cruze I had. :)
Something seems wrong with that last sentence. I had a Cruze rental and I couldn't get it below 30mpg while beating on it. Driving at 78mph netted 38mpg.
Otherwise I'm glad you have the car(s) you enjoy!
Thank you. Everyone has different drives and with mine I had the Cruze for 2 years and put 60k miles on it. It was a good car didn't have any problems with it. The gas mileage if I drove exaclty the speed limit and accelerated like most people do which is really hard for me I would get 36mpg but with how I drive I usually got 27mpg which is exactly what I get out of my Camaro. What killed my mileage I have so many stop lights and is on a highway so a lot of stop and go fast which kills mileage on a car like the cruze.
Yet here I am. Wanting a 16-18 2SS. And prices have only been going up...
JefemanG don’t worry the price, worry about making that money 👌
Not about the money. No problem affording one. I just can't justify dropping the $$$ when just last year the cars could be had for so much less. I get GM lowered incentives this year, making the cars "more expensive", but why in the world are private parties suddenly raising their prices $5k+? The 19 refresh isn't gonna tank Camaro that hard haha
JefemanG Haha yeah I guess, I mean idk what your waiting for you can get a used 16 2SS for 30K or a brand new 19 2SS for 43K. I wouldn’t get a 1SS, me personally if it’s worth doing it’s worth doing right and cloth is nasty.
Yeah, I'm shooting for 2SS. Last year, you could get a used 16 for $30-33k with decent mileage, fully optioned. Now I can only find beaters for under $35k. It's absurd. New was going $38k before, now it's closer to $43k like you said. I get GM cut back the incentives, but I'm finding it hard to justify $35k for a used one when last year they were $38k new. I'm just gonna sit until I find the right 2SS with the options I want for around $30k, which is basically impossible to find right now unless it's salvaged/rebuilt title or 50k miles.
I got a used 2018 2SS optioned with manga ride, dual exhaust, and black accent emblems for 34k with 7k miles on it. You just gotta look.
Challenger and mustang just offers so many different packages for there cars, way more than the camaro. But I have a 2014 and 2017 camaro and I love both of them!
I completely agree with you especially for the Camaro's advertisement. GM's marketing for the Corvette and Camaro is just god awful. I remembered I found out about the C7 Corvette 2 years after they released it
Well if GM's engineers kept or added a little more interior room and didn't release a fugly refresh, yes saw it in person and almost gagged, maybe me and other people would've been interested again in new Camaros.
Camaro sales are low because chevrolet refuses to give the people what they want. It has nothing to do with modern performance cars not being wanted. Everything bmw makes is an expensive rwd sports car that doesnt get great mileage but people are desperate for these cars. Dodge is selling plenty of v8 challengers and chargers. Ford stays true to their customers. But ford and dodge gives the people what they want when it comes to styling, preformance, and features. Chevrolet just builds what they want and expect the people to eat it up. Its sad because the camaro is my favorite pony car but GM needs to get their head out of their ass fast.
Honestly guys, I'm happy not bumping into a ton of Camaros on the road. I'd rather be the only guy in town with a 2SS 1LE than to constantly bump into the any other SS variant. And yes all this sales talk is about the V6 engine just like Lethal says the sales for Ford and Crysler are up due to the cheaper variants of the mustang and the challenger. Maybe this is my ego talking, but im about the driver with the "unique" ride on the road.
Jose Garcia I agree I have a Camaro Ss and I don’t see them very often I always just see the v6 ones... also, my husband owns a Shelby gt 500 so I’m not being bias but we really enjoy the Camaro way more for many reasons
Currently a 2017 SS owner. Looking to trade up to the corvette in 2019-20. Not really into the new design of the Camaro refresh, even with some of the upgrades.
Idk about you but I like driving something everybody doesn't have.
Ford GT? :)
Monster truck?
NHRAA Top fuel dragster?
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@@patrickmartin2689 my uncle owns one ;) Norwalk, Ohio 😜
It would suck if any of the big three went under because odds are we would go back in the rental car mustang days where they don’t make nearly as much power as they could if they had competition at their heels
A common misconception about the back seats is that they are "insurance seats." They actually make no difference in insurance rates. Insurance companies aren't stupid, they know what a sport / muscle car is and what the market value of the car is; that's the first thing they look at. Other factors are engine size and cylinder numbers, but the number of seats are irrelevant.
A Google User so why are there backseats ?
kwilliams3161 so someone can sit back there
High belt line in the camaro is what kills it for me.
Camaro cannot die...must not happen. Competition is great when American Muscle manufacturers bring out their best. I love Mustang (18 Shelby owner) but I am a car enthusiast at heart. Long live American Muscle!!
You sure know how to get your and Chevy fanboys talking
It's hard to compete with the 10 SPD auto of the 18-19 mustang
My buddy works at my local GM lot, and they don't keep more than 4-5 Camaros on the lot. They just don't sale... They had a ZL1 on the showroom for 4 months until one of the Tennessee Titans football players bought it! I love Mopar, Ford, Chevy etc etc but overall, the Mustang is just better "shrugs"
I love the 6th gen camaro, I really wanted an ss with 1le package in hyper metallic blue. Sadly it was out of my budget... saving for a roof over your head sucks. I went with the mustang in kona blue. I'm a chevy guy, but as a car guy the new fastback mustang is sexy af. The mustangs ecoboost 2.3L destroys chevy's 2.0l, and the mustang comes with a 10r80 10 speed. That is not the same as chevy's 10L80, it's equivalent to chevy's 10L90 in the zl1. I plan on getting mine to 350rwh, tightening the suspension and lightening the front end load a bit to make an awesome road car. Also getting gt350r wheels 10" wide all around to hug some 285mm re-71r's . The mustang can handle 305f 325r without any modifications btw. All this cheaper than getting an ss or a gt XD
I bought my first new Chevy in 1972. It was a Chevy pickup with 6 Cyl 3 on the tree radio and rear bumper delete. This truck was so stripped from the factory I think having a door and window crank on the passenger door was an option lol. I payed 2500 out the door for it. That's how long I have been a Chevy guy. One thing I think is that Chevrolet has lost its way on certain models when it comes to styling. The 69 looking retro Camaro was ok when it first came out but now it is too long in the tooth. It might be time to retro the 70 Camaro and design it with a livable back seat and a lower price tag.
The mid cycle refresh you see coming is actually 2019.Hoping for 7 in 2021-2022.While it will still be a Camaro, expectation is it will be a game changer.
Come to Dearborn MI you’ll see three hellcats and eight 392’s in an hour
The only damn time a camaro got love was in a transformers movie. That's not that huge of a theater blockbuster. Mustang is a last stock for the crowds. And camaro is the most hated it seems.
Honestly love 5th gen Camaro design it really had that old school feel like the 69 the news one just to sporty looking rather just had challenger or mustang honestly Chevy should bring a trans am to the mix
Good points. I drive my 2016 2SS daily for work and I kinda like the fact that I don't see very many 6th gens. I always see Mustangs and Challengers and, you're right, they're usually low end models. Let's face it: trucks and SUV's are where the sales are now and ANY coupe is not going to be a stellar sales product. I seem to get more looks in my car than a C7 Corvette, probably because they're not as common! I hope GM doesn't go the way of Ford and axe cars, especially the Camaro! Here's hoping!
I know a couple of people that decided to mod their 5th gen rather than purchase a new 6th gen. Funny thing is, a stock 6th gen is still faster than a mildly modded 5th gen.
Subscribed. Just joined the Camaro community after trading in my 2019 Mustang GT that had a whole 500-miles on it with the infamous "typewriter noise". I haven't had a Chevy since the 80's, which was a 1969 SS. Recently purchased a 2018 1SS with the dual exhaust mode. Nothing fancy and not as technologically advanced (regarding interior features, i.e., lighting and so forth) as my Mustang was. For the short amount of miles I've put on it, basically 150-miles, I've noticed that the handling is better than my Mustang was. The Camaro pulls harder than my Mustang did (puts you back in the seat) even though I've been told the Mustang is a tad faster than the 1SS/2SS in the 0-60 test and 1/4 mile time. Not by much, but a tad faster. We will fix that. The torque is much more prevalent than my Mustang was. Visibility is a bit hindered, but reminds me of Ferrari and Porsche's. Front windshield is a lot smaller than the Mustang, but very doable. Starting to binge watch your vids so I can get up to speed with my new ride, as I've been a Mustang owner... 20 + Mustangs to date and need to play catch up. Peace...
So you traded the Mustang in because you could hear the valve-train operating due to it's composite (plastic) valve covers. I'm glad you like your new Camero so muce.
And it might get worse for them, I think the 2019 Camaro front end is hideous.
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Hector is gonna be running 3 Honda Civic's with spoon engines. On top of that he just came into Harry's and ordered 3 t66 turbo's with NOS's and a Motec System Exhaust.
After subscribing to your channel over a year ago I knew for sure a Camaro SS 1LE was in my near future especially after my driving my uncles brand new ZL1. Now that I’m getting closer to buy and I see the new refresh it 100% turned me off of the camaro. I’m looking at the 2019 mustang PP2 that has been getting nothing but the best reviews. Also being able to throw on a supercharger system, e85 and exhaust and getting over 750 wheel without having to open up the engine? I feel like right now that’s the best horsepower bargain, and what I’ll be in the market for.
Be careful saying that. I know a lot of owners who went in that same way and popped their motors
GM has put their chips in the economy car market and trucks. Go back and watch some of the old chevy muscle car commercials or ads. They made you want the car weather it was a Chevelle, Camaro, or Monte Carlo SS. I have yet to see an exclusive Camaro commercial. Ford has Mustang only commercial. Dodge makes Challenger and charger commercials. Every Chevrolet commercial has multiple cars or just the trucks. If they continue down this road then yes the Camaro could end up back out of production. They spend more time and money on the Corvette. Seems like every time someone comes out with a badass concept for Camaro Chevy pics the one that is the worst. When the 5th gen came out they had a concept with the hide away headlights and it looked badass. Either way whoever make the choices on the design needs to be replaced or make better choices. I’ll just keep my 67, 68, and 2017 SS 1LE
67 and 68? man I'm jealous
I agree! I have one car i will never sell... My big block 1969 camaro. Had it forever and will keep it forever!
They should just fixed the blind spot
Which blind spot lol
I love the 6th gen camaro
Guivensthecar guy the first part of it, the facelift is going to do nothing but hurt the sales
@@HunterM430 I know right I hope not I wanna see the 7th gen camaro
The challenger is my favorite but the camaro always had a place in my heart. Challenger all day tho.
I have to say, they don't advertise it much at all, most people who don't know much about cars come up to me and say "hey nice car man what is it?" But they will know the name and looks of the "mustang" immediately every time. The name mustang is engraved in most people's minds when they think of an American sports car right off the bat, nowadays
I'm a Ford, Chevy, and a Dodge fan my man. We have 2 Ford F150s (A 1996 and a 2011), we have a 2010 Camaro RS, a 2016 Dodge Charger SXT AWD, a 2012 Jeep Patriot, and a 2018 Chevy Equinox. P.S. (We also have have a 2004 Toyota Solara as well).
bottom line, the 6 gen is generally ugly,, has zero visibility, marketing is FUGLY.......and is priced far to high, what more is there to say??
They focus Chevy sales more on trucks which makes sense but at the same time doesn’t because they’re not focusing on advertising to the car enthusiast who wouldn’t mind driving an SS v8 if they made more advertisements for Camaro it would make sells go up and I agree I have a friend who wants a 1-4 2018 mustang because it’s cheaper and the gas some people just want the looks but don’t care about the power but I do and I’m trying to get a 6th gen camaro 2ss what are your guys thoughts as camaro owners?
I was always a chevy guy , my dad got a brand new silverado/tahoe/or suburban every yr, after 2000 they went to shit , interior fell apart b4 100k mi, trans goes out right after 100kmi , , they felt slow , just cheap. All the new ford trucks have seemed to hold up better and i cant stand the new cameros , its sad , the 1st car i bought was a 91 camaro rs 305ci tbi , i loved it , but id rather have new mustang gt or even an f150 with the 5.0 and slap a sc on it.
In 2015 I tried to buy a Camaro 2SS. I went to a few dealerships, and they generally had V6 automatic models on the lot. I wanted a red hot 2SS 6-speed manual. I asked about a factory order, they acted like I was asking for them to move a mountain. Nobody wanted to do it.
I walk onto a Ford lot, see the new 2015. Sales girl walks out, asks me what config; uh 5.0 V8, 6-speed manual. She disappears, comes back with keys. I test drive it. After e-mailing and visiting Chevy lots, couldn't get anybody to take me seriously. Ford sales girl said I could factory order for all the same incentives as a car on the lot, so long as i am willing to wait. I did. Came as a 2016 model. Bought the Mustang, never bought the Camaro.
They cost too much... I have a 2010 GT... It's brand spanking new to me buddy and guess what? I'm the ONLY one in my whole crew that has a muscle car... These newer models aren't on anyone's radar in my neck of the woods... These guys seem to disregard the fact that no one can realistically afford this shit... They blame it on everything but the price... I'm the King in a 2010 GT that cost me less than 15K... It's not the windows homeboy.. Its the price tag on that window that runs everyone off... I'm 35 and my homeboys still want cars like the early 2000s WS6 or SS... No one is even thinking about anything remotely new... We're poor.. I made a vid about it...
Because more people are listening to Dave Ramsey and realize buying a new car is financially ignorant. Especially a 30,000 dollar plus sports car. Don’t just look at Camaro and mustang all car sales are down. Only one company is having record sales and that’s Tesla. This will be the norm for the foreseeable future.
In my city I saw more 6th gen ss than LT'S
I completely disagree that people are looking for good fuel mileage. Americans want BIG vehicles. Look at truck sales. Look at Challenger sales. The 5th gen sold better when gas was $4 a gallon. Track handling and fuel economy are NOT priorities for mainstream consumers.
The 2019 Camaro ZL1 is my dream car, such an amazing car
I love the 6th gen camaro I won’t buy one because it’s $40,000 for a car that depreciates to half that price in 5-6 years and there no way in hell I’ll buy anything but the v8 because why go into debt over something that wasn’t exactly what you wanted
I am not a Camaro or GM guy, but really like how well you approached your video, good info that was both informative and fair. You earned yourself a sexy new subscriber.
If They Do A 7th Gen Or Another Refresh They Need To Go Back To The Styling Of The 3rd Gen. I Have One An It Has The Best Visibility In My Opinion I Never Have Problems. They Should Also Bring Back The Iroc Series That Would Really Boost Sales. An Even The Nostalgia Of A T Top (Enginered Right No Leaks Lol) Would Definitley Boost Sales & Bring In New People Because That Hasn't Been Done On Any Car In Over A Decade. They've Never Really Been The Best With Trunk Space, But Styling Like A 3rd Gen With Inspiration From A C7 Trunk Could Change That. They Should Definitely Make It A Lil Bit Longer
I have a 15 1le. Before they made them ugly. So glad I bought when I did. Wont get another one unless they "make camaro look better again" fast is cool but looks matter aswell.
I love the way the new camaro looks. It looks fresh, clean and more up to date. My biggest gripe with the camaro has always been its interior and the fact that you can't see anything out of it. But the exterior of the new car is very very attractive.
I’ve owned 5 Camaros/Firebirds over the years including a 15 ZL1. The “new” Camaro is too small with too little utility. Tiny trunk, terrible back seats, small greenhouse. They need to make the car a fair bit larger. Also the base V8 should be much lower price. The 2019 redesign is just not doing it for me. I’ve thought about a 1LE or ZL1 sixth Gen but the car is just too small / impractical.
Too dang expensive. 2016-18 2SS with loaded trim is still in the $39k-$45k where a similarly equipped mustang is mid $20k. New GT premium is pushing over $50k at dealerships. That's Shelby GT350 Territory. Year old GT350 or new GT Premium? No brainer....
The 2017 Camaro looked sexy af but in the end I picked a 2017 Challenger r/t blacktop, it’s even sexier plus it’s a base with the blacktop so it was just one package and can fit my family of 5 comfortably, better as a daily driver than the 17 camaro I test drove, oh and my challenger was cheaper the ss and surprisingly the v6 rs too, every camaro on the lot was optioned out and they’re crazy if they think I’m paying $35,000 for a v6
nice vid. thumbs up
I got a 2017 v6 mustang and it was thousands of dollars cheaper for an equivalent Camaro. Why did i get a V6 Mustang because it has 300HP and 0-60 in high 5s. I don't need to go faster for a daily driver.....My next car will be a eccoboost mustang or equivlent Camaro......But this round i give to mustang.
A Mustang is a few thousands cheaper than a similarly equipped Camaro. However. With the new 2019 update, the Camaro will probably die IMO. From what I've been reading the new updated Mustang sales dropped also. I'm guessing also to the new update. Dodge Challenger sales on the other went up. It kept a nice classic design and offer different packages.
Also the challenger can actually seat people comfortably in the back seat.
Just stopping by to see how you guys are getting it done . Not the biggest Muscle Car fan but ZL1 is quite nice. To bad its having sells problems .Btw It seems like heat soak is a issue we share and seriously looking into the inter chiller. Iam running a 15 STI full bolt ons stock block making 415 /380 E85/93. Not quite as crazy in a straight line but fun on the twisties.
I buy used 🤷🏽♂️ so when it’s in my price range I’ll buy one
I had to sell my 2016 SS because the rear differential continued to fail repeatedly. That really burned my hope for the 6th gen Camaro.
I can't afford cars in the $40's and $50's. The EcoBoost would be closer to my price range. The V6 or turbo 4 Camaro ditto. I like the look of the Mustang best. Challenger right behind it. I think the top Mopar (Hellcat) can whip em both.
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We,for the most, all know the Camaro is an overall more reliable, valuable and best performer car than the Mustang or Challenger. Its just sad GM is sooo bad at marketing their cars. I have NEVER seen in the recent years, a commercial about the Camaro "brand". How can they think they’re gonna compete in sales with their competitors? The average sports car buyer will consider commercials and pricing before having any interrest in the car. I don’t think its the green space or lack of space in the rear seats that will turn off potential buyers of the Camaro. The car gets better fuel economy and better numbers in general than its competitors. Its just sad that they came up with this trash looking front end too for 2019... idk
Throw The Whole GM Away With Their Cheap & Old Way Of Thinking The Competition Is Killin' Them Literally Especially With All The High Performance Charger & Challenger Vehicles The Dodges Are Blowing Them Out Of The Water With Design Performance Technology etc