Honestly, I used my Leica Q (only 28mm) for years, and I never felt limited by the focal length. I would absolutely use this, and it would pair nicely with an 85mm or 14mm on my second camera.
Might be good for very specific event photographers: pair with a 70-200 /2.8. The other thing I could see is studio work where you want to soften the background or certain parts of the body. The flexibility to move and get slightly different FOVs would be useful in that situation. I think Sigma limited the range to 28-45 so they could get it all behind their standard 82mm front element that they already make for other lenses. I agree that a 24-50 or 20-45 would have been more appealing.
As I love and use 35mm almost all the time as a wedding photographer. This for me is like freaking upgraded 35 mm lens with a little wider or a little tighter options. Amazing!
To me, the point of using a prime lens like a 35mm F1.4, is that the angle of view becomes second nature. You can predict how a shot will look like and move around accordingly. And it also creates a subtle consistency in a series of shots. A zoom like this, although without a doubt with practical use, negates that flow entirely. There is a reason why I prefer to walk around with a 35mm & 85mm prime over a 24-70mm zoom. So for me, the extra wide and tight has the opposite effect. Of course, I'm not going to deny that for "one lens" situations, like a band playing in a small venue and you get up close, this is a great option.
I think you guys both under appreciate how difficult it is to create a 1.8 zoom. I agree with you both more range would be better, but still this is amazing maybe next a 46mm to 110mm 1.8? That would be amazing no need for any other lenses
@@thatprcrawlerguy187 I completely grasp how amazing the 1.8 is! I'm all in on it, but it is a limited range. I'm excited to see how these lenses continue to advance.
@@thatprcrawlerguy187It is hard for sure but they made this with the intention lf being limited so you'd still buy this and all the primes because "a pro" would'n be happy with this but still buy it for when he/she can't carry many lenses.
Yeah I pull aperture because if you're shooting wide and roaming on a gimbal / shoulder and want a smooth exposure transition, smooth aperture is the only way to make the transition nicely. And going from outside bright sunlight at large DOF to inside (probably finding a target like a presenter or important object) with shallow DOF can work quite well. Or going from stage lighting to audience in the same shot (say someone jumps off stage). Admittedly I don't do it often, but if I don't have it, those high light to low light transitions rely on clunky, jumpy gain boosts or shutter speed adjustments which I try to avoid at all costs.
@@astrobotnautics5291 Yeah, we usually just adjust exposure with a variable ND. I think my question is more about DoF, are people actually pulling apertures for depth & focus?
@@froknowsphoto Not on a wide angle, that is pretty niche. I've done it with an 85mm before to go from subject to subject over shoulder but keep bokeh looking similar. Very niche use for DOF though.
That shot of the player giving autographs to the fans is everything! That's a fantastic moment! And that's what it's all about: capturing those moments.
Right now I have Tamron 20-40mm F2.8 and the Tamron 70-180mm F2.8 G2… now don’t get me wrong I have been on the fence of getting a 24-70 but this is the lens I’ll be getting just cause that F1.8 is massively useful especially in crappy indoor lighting and low light situations at weddings. I’ll eventually replace the Tamron 20-40 with the Sony 20 F1.8 for those wider family shots though.
Surely this lens has some field curvature? In a lot of shots in this video I saw bigger bokeh balls in the middle and they go smaller towards the edges, even if the objects are further away towards the edges. If you pause this shot 13:41, the bokeh in the top right corner seems harsher and less out of focus than the one of the people in the top middle section. Same at the F1.8 shot on the left at 8:22 (pause it): the crowd on the left edge is further from the lens, but it's seems less out of focus (harsher bokeh) than the crowd in the middle. Nothing dramatic of course, I just didn't expect to see it.
It's way too bulky for the applications I'd use that focal length for i.e walking around... But I like the ambition from Sigma. I'd rather take 2/3 primes as they're so much easier to handle on-camera. But again... Good for Sigma, they're smashing it lately.
I have the 24-70 Art which is a great lens... except when I shoot concerts where I could really use the extra light and more bokeh. When I first heard about a Sigma 1.8 zoom I thought, "oh yeah, problem solved" but with a zoom of only 28-45 it seems like a miss opportunity on Sigma's part. I'd sooner go with a 24 or 50 prime and crop in post.
@@kylewist7745 nonsense. 28mm has only 17% wider FOV than 24mm. Going from 28mm to 45mm is literally triple what you claim: Add 17%, then add 17%, then add 17% again.
@@masina9447 At 10m distance, horizontal FOV on full frame sensor. 24mm starting out at 14,5m FOV. 24-28mm@10m: -2m FOV (-2m) 24-35mm@10m: --4,5m FOV (-2,5m) 24-50mm@10m: -7,5m FOV (-2,5m) 24-70mm@10m: -10m FOV (-2,5m) Those 4mm are very substantial in the wide end, making almost as much difference as going from 50 to 70mm does to FOV.
@@rao-foto The next -2.5m proves how dumb your comparison is. 24-150mm@10m: -12.5m (-2.5m) According to you, going from 70 to 150 is the same as 24 to 28! Why is it so hard for you to understand ratios and percent?
24-45 or 50 at f1.8 and that would have been a killer lens for weddings as I use 24 and 35mm a lot. This is a forgettable focal length range imho for that usage particularly at the wider end as 24mm is so useful.
I would be all over it if it was overall a bit wider. If it was a 24-40mm it would have the perfect 24 starting point, and with most cameras today having a cropmode and higher mp count, the effective focal range could be far more useful.
The only time I've ever used the aperture ring during video is for theater work: if there's a reason to pan from the lit stage (F4) to the audience (F1.8), I'll spin the front dial as I turn. Having it on the lens wouldn't make that that much easier unless I was shooting top-handle with a monitor (which would make me more visible) and probably still rock the shot as I repositioned my hand to find the aperture ring. 95% of the time that you'd want to turn an aperture ring you'd be better off turning a VND filter ring instead and the only time I can't use them is for 300mm+ lenses for sports video where the lenses often have problems with infinity zoom with any filters on them.
I think that it would have good success with nikon z mount, since there are no zooms that bright that can compete. Personally I don't feel the need to have such a bright zoom, but It could be great for indoor or astrophotogragy enthusiasts!
@@sharifsalem If you have strong light changes due to a mix of sun and clouds and you are shooting a documentary, the aperture is often the best option for a smooth transition. And sometimes you don't necessarily want a completely blurred background.
I use the EF-S 18-35mm F1.8 all of the time! It is my absolute favorite lense. I don't care if it takes an 8MP picture on my R6. I also use it as my primary video lens. I'm a bit dissappointed that it loses some of that range, as the original is equivalent to a 28.8-56mm. But I'm even more dissappointed that it is not RF mount!
Re: Pulling aperture in video (3:12). Can someone cite a movie scene (from something available via a major streamer) where they know for sure there was an aperture pull? I don't recall ever seeing one. (I have seen major lens breathing during a focus pull which is not the same thing.) In the meantime, there are many lenses being made far less useful for photographers because of a small minority of "filmmakers" insistence on clickless aperture rings.
You make a really good point. I've never heard of an aperture pull. Doesn't mean there isn't one but it probably isn't a technique used very often. Anyone who thought of using one would probably use a split diopter instead. That said, video makers change apertures in order to suit different situations just like photographers do, and I hear about it often enough that it must be a handy tool. All that said, I've got the Canon 50MM f/1.2 and that thing is a BEAST! Sharp edge to edge, no CA, etc. I let a friend use it on his Red and he compared it to a NiSi lens he has and he liked the manual focus NiSi better than the Canon. So sometimes these lenses aren't even the best choice for doing video work.
@@swistedfilms I think you're misunderstanding what an "aperture pull" is. It has nothing to do with focus, that would be insanely difficult to coordinate with lighting and make look good. It's used for adjusting exposure mid shot, like any time that a shot goes from indoor to outdoor or vice versa.
@14:36 Stubbs gotta get that left pinguecula looked at. Don't want a pterygium messing with his gameplay! (Of course you can easily see it due to the incredible sharpness of the lens)
I think if they had made it a 28 to 50 as an f2.0 it might have been more useful. You'd still have a full stop faster than the more standard 24 to 70 but you'd have a decent f stop covering three primes, 28mm, 35mm and 50mm.
Depending how it performs for Astro I can see this lens good for Astro shooters as well. Personally I am still waiting for 150mm and 180mm Macro lenses(for RF mount as well).
I am sure it would work for astro on the wide end, but for half the cost of this lens you can get a 24mm F1.4 that will be smaller, wider, and better for astrophotography. This lens is tempting, but I already have the 24mm and 50mm F1.4 primes from Sigma, so it is hard to justify this lens.
I think this is the type of lens for "street" photographers or for someone that wants to do night photos in a city. I would definitely be more than happy with the lens when I go back to Tokyo. It'd make for an excellent street lens, at 28mm, it's just 'wide' enough. And at 45mm, it's just 'right' for that '50'mm focal length. I really wished Nikon dished out a lens like this but damn, this is one FINE lens from Sigma.
why does photo of close up jt have white spots on photo. did you clean the lens fro. but your right about F/1.8 but the zoom range on this lens make no go for people range is not good.
Every time I see a new Sigma release for Sony (or anyone other than Canon) I get more and more pissed at Canon for not licensing the RF mount to them. They're going to drive me away if they keep this crap up.
bye, Canon couldn't care a less about some scrub who claims to be leaving them. That is called more money than brains, to throw away what you already have for a song and pay twice as much for everything you are replacing it with. Learn to use your camera, and get over GAS, you will be a better photographer
Great dynamic review as always Thanks for it Some say this zoom replaces 3 primes … Yes and no Yes obviously you get 3 focal lengths in one lens But while you are in street photo a little 28mm or 35 f/2 is much more discrete than holding this big bad boy ! Nether the less for 1349$ and a L Mount body you get a Leica Q3 and Q3 43… 😊
You get way more zoom range for way more weight, way more money, and no internal zooming. Plus this new Sigma is actually overall sharper across the frame compared to the Canon 28-70 f/2.
Glad to finally see another zoom that's brighter than 2.8. Especially on FF. But 28-45 is just awkward. Would much rather just use a smaller, lighter, cheaper prime at 35 or 40. 20-35 or 35-65ish would be much more intriguing. Feels like this is just a "we did it first" situation. But hopeful to see others follow this trend.
If it were a 24-50mm f/1.8 it would be a way better offering. I guess it would have gotten even heavier and more expensive but at least the added expense would be more justified as truly being able to replace at least two other fairly expensive lenses.
Any zoom with less than 2x range is useless as it can be easily replaced with a prime, while also getting better images and not needing to carry a brick.
28 1.8 easily replace 28-45, 35 1.8 easily replace 35-56, 45 1.8 easily replace 45-72. So 28-45 1.8 easily replace a 28-72 f1.8😂 that means a canon RF 28-70 F2 L can be easily replaced by a Sigma 28-45 F1.8😂
@@陈一峰-y1r not a smart reply. Don't you know that in film era most people had just one 50mm lens and they managed to get many good pictures in many different settings. A particular focal length is not something you must have to get good pictures. In the end of the day you want to get interesting pictures and you don't care what lens got the desirable results. Both 35/1.8 and 28-45/1.8 can be used in the same settings resulting in very similar looking pictures, so much so that differences in focal range will never be even noticeable. Of course, shooting with a small and light prime has big advantages over a large heavy zoom. And if instead you take a 35/1.4GM lens, which is also light and small, you'll end up with more interesting pictures than from the Sigma zoom, because DOF will be noticeable.
Almost enough zoom range for me. But not quite. I personally shoot a lot of beach portraits with a 24 and 50 prime. I love both of the lengths. 28-45 is too close. I love where things are going though!
wider lenses like under 70mm 1.2 - 2.0 apertures are great.. if you go above 70mm 2.8 is more than enough to get good separation or 3d-pop.. at 200mm even better.
with lens blur now available in LR and PS, 2.8 is about enough, even when it's smaller and lighter. Now, you can't over do it or it looks unnatural, but subtle, and no one will ever know you didn't have a 1.4 or 1.2
I'll stick with the OG 18-35mm adapted to L-Mount. Can still use it in full frame mode, albeit with limited range. But it's perfect if using high e-stab on s5ii. Just have to use the "hack" every time it's powered on.
@@ElementaryWatson-123 If using the hack, it's full frame, and is able to fully utilize e-stab, same as any other full frame lens. How is that APS-C? Mind you I'm talking about video. The above really has little benefit for photography, other than going for a high vignette style.
I have the Canon RF 28-70 f2. I sometimes wish it had a slightly larger zoom range than 42mm. f1.8 is great, but a 17mm focal range difference is not great.
Well when you realize sigma is not making these just for sony but has already made some great lenses for Lmount aswell so we can see the lmount already has some really good lenses now. They only need good cameras that can compete with the big 3
It would be nice to have it be 24 to 50 but it's a great value as is! I wish Sigma did more "version II" with their lenses. If a 24-70 f/1.8 can exist it would be one to rule them all .😎
I love the range that a 24-70 gives and I love the unique look that anything wider gives me. I would love a sharp and reliable 24-120 2.8 that isn't overpriced. Sigma has been (mostly) on the ball when it comes to their pricing. Can we get them to make a 24-120 2.8 that is less than $1500 for working photographers who aren't rich? That'd be awesome.
There's an old saying in Hollywood: Good, fast, cheap: pick two. If it's good and fast it won't be cheap. If it's cheap and fast it won't be good. If it's good and cheap it won't be fast.
@@gregorybeale What about my comment seems like I’m not? Is it the comment on the price? Are you too used to being ripped off? I buy almost every single lens that I own second hand because they are so overpriced. If you’re going to try to justify spending $1500 on lenses that aren’t telephoto primes, you can forget it because it’s not an argument at all. Sigma and Tamron has proven time after time that well priced lenses are possible. They can absolutely continue that trend.
I get where you're coming from, I truly do. Your best bet is to get good used gear if you're on a budget. Or rent the gear you need and expense it to the client. Or if you're lucky enough to have a friend who has good gear, borrow it.
Nice job! Quality review. Yea I’ve been buzzed by those blackbirds down at Longwood. Not sure what the deal is. Nesting or babies to defend I guess. Great spot though.
Compare it to the 35mm 1.8… Spare the money and the weight. Maybe geht a 20 or 24 1.8 to the 35mm. You could also pair a 24 & 50 and would have less weight and less cost.
Nice lens but that weight…. Still waiting for a compact top quality sigma 28 f2 because all these super wide zoom and fixed lenses with 1.2, 1,4 or 1,8 are really nice. But for travel beterr build a top notch 28 and 45mm f2 prime to walk around with.
Hmmm.. Depends on individual then.. for me 24-70 is still better for wedding than this.. 28 may not be wide enough for some situation and this lens is bigger and heavier than 24-70.. Also if outdoor. you wont need the f1.8.. indoor maybe .. but could work around with de-noise. But like I said. Sure.. if you prefer this over the 24-70.
You: AT LAST! An f/1.8 zoom for using in those really dark churches! I'll be able to lower the ISO for cleaner shots! The churches: We'll save even more money by turning off the lights entirely!
The bird looked like a Red-Winged Black Bird. NOTE: Red-winged blackbirds are one of our most familiar and recognizable birds, both because of their striking plumage and their aggressive and territorial behavior. At the right time of year - breeding and nesting season - these birds will chase away anything that dares to get too close, and that includes humans.
It is waaaaay more versatile the crop sensor 50-100 1.8 and 18-35 1.8... if Sigma managed to make thos some years ago for CS... they may know how to make it for FF. But it will destroy the lens market.
@@kylewist7745 Not really a typical portrait focal length range, is it? 85mm is the classic and 135mm seems to be the hardcore choice. @JeffBourke it's probably less about the bokeh and more about light gathering indoors. You get 2.4x the light with f/1.8 instead of f/2.8
@@christopherberry8519 Basically, I'm not a tourist and the principal tradeoff for me is not in favor of portability/light weight -- give me the heaviest lens you need to design, so that I get 18-35mm f/1.8 full frame, and any less range is a nonstarter (I'll stick with lighter/better primes if the range is 10mm or less).
@@focuspulling You're looking at a 3kg lens with many lighter competing alternatives. - so a very rare sale indeed - not something that there's a market for IOW. You'd probably need a dedicated external battery for the focus electronics because of how heavy the elements would be.
@@christopherberry8519 The speculation of an external battery for focus capability is absurd. Of course not. Again: at this level of quality, lightweight convenience for amateur hikers/soccer moms/etc. matters much much much less.
Red winged black birds and the fact it looked like that tells you that it was a male, the females look way different and you were probably close to a ground nest they had.
You know what. The reason why we are not satisfied is because how much camera phone technology is growin more rapidly had pro cameras. How does a phone with camera the camera tech the size of quarter supersede a 5 pound device dedicated to do 1 job. I believe we should have 24-70 1.8 in 2024. We have done so much with all other technology and pro photography is a dying game.
Those concert shots at F1.8 and ISO 4,000 would be at iso 10,000 for the same exposure at F2.8. For some cameras that wouldn't be a big issue, but for the 61mp A7R cameras that is an issue. They don't do well above 3,200 iso, and are really bad above 6,400 in my opinion.
The A7R V has a nearly identical overall signal to noise ratio to the A7 IV and A7S III. In general higher resolution cameras are not worse in low light.
@TechnoBabble Usable real-life ISO is lower for high-resolution cameras of similar sensor design. Go shoot some video on the A7RV and the A7SIII at 102,000 ISO and see which one has more noise.
@@ElMundoDuro wow, talk about a nothing argument. Who said anything about video? Is the A7R V designed for video? Shooting at 102,400 ISO isn't a "real-life" scenario for 99.9999% of shooters. YOU were the one that said "bad above 6400". Try to stay on topic.
@@TechnoBabble You said, "In general higher resolution cameras are not worse in low light." That is just a false statement for photo and video. I threw in the extremely high ISO example to illustrate that fact. You threw a video-centric camera into the mix known for having excellent low light performance compared to those other cameras. As for the original topic, at ISO 6400, the A7RIV/V have too much noise in many scenarios regardless of shooting photos or video... The A7IV and A7III do not. Some people may move that up or down a stop depending on their tolerance for noise. But those other cameras will always be that much better at any given ISO. Again to the original topic, this is why fast glass is important. Especially on cameras like the A7R series. Same for other high pixel density cameras like those found in Micro Four Thirds. Also the shooters must know their limitations. I don't push my A7RIV past ISO 3200 just like I don't push my MFT cameras past ISO 3200 because they have similar pixel size and noise. For low light my 24Mp full frame camera just produces a better image with less noise. Same with video.
@@ElMundoDuro I hope you realize that your own examples are just objectively wrong and that it's information you can easily look up yourself right now, right? The A7 III, A7 IV, and A7R V all have functionally the same signal to noise ratio. You are likely operating under the incorrect position of viewing all images at 1:1 in an editor, which is not the same as the overall signal to noise ratio of an image. More pixels with a lower SNR per pixel can give an overall SNR the same as less pixels with a higher SNR per pixel. This has been tested many times. In fact at the ISOs you're claiming, like 3200 and 6400, the A7R V produces more detailed images than the A7 III and A7 IV because the SNR of the overall image is still low enough that the significantly higher resolution gives noticeably more detail. Pixel size does not determine noise performance and the fact that you equated MFT to 60mp full frame is absolutely hilarious and just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.
Is it wide enough or long enough in your opinion???
I would like to have 24-50/1.8, but now there is room for improvement. Maybe pricey but less lens exchange during photoshoots
Honestly, I used my Leica Q (only 28mm) for years, and I never felt limited by the focal length. I would absolutely use this, and it would pair nicely with an 85mm or 14mm on my second camera.
That's what HE said....
Might be good for very specific event photographers: pair with a 70-200 /2.8. The other thing I could see is studio work where you want to soften the background or certain parts of the body. The flexibility to move and get slightly different FOVs would be useful in that situation. I think Sigma limited the range to 28-45 so they could get it all behind their standard 82mm front element that they already make for other lenses. I agree that a 24-50 or 20-45 would have been more appealing.
Would have like a bit more on the wide end, like 24. Hopefully, the 24-70 F2 is for real
nah this ain’t it we still waiting for the 18-600mm f/0.95
And ain't gonna buy it if it weights more than 300gr
Gonna weigh 5 pounds and be the size of a NASA telescope
@@Photo0021 Better have a carrying handle… and be green…
@@lucabuondonno2051 and in a pancake format
Also needs to be smaller than the EFS 18-55mm, no chromatic aberration and equal sharpness across all f stops and focal length.
As I love and use 35mm almost all the time as a wedding photographer. This for me is like freaking upgraded 35 mm lens with a little wider or a little tighter options. Amazing!
To me, the point of using a prime lens like a 35mm F1.4, is that the angle of view becomes second nature. You can predict how a shot will look like and move around accordingly. And it also creates a subtle consistency in a series of shots. A zoom like this, although without a doubt with practical use, negates that flow entirely. There is a reason why I prefer to walk around with a 35mm & 85mm prime over a 24-70mm zoom. So for me, the extra wide and tight has the opposite effect. Of course, I'm not going to deny that for "one lens" situations, like a band playing in a small venue and you get up close, this is a great option.
Thats what i thought. This would be THE wedding lense imo
@@caleidoo it is just for when you need it other wise 35 for the win :)))
Anything you can shoot with this zoom, you can shoot with 35/1.8 lens without carrying that heavy brick.
@@ElementaryWatson-123Nope you can't. You never get 28mm angle of view in tight places out of 35mm prime. Same with DoF at 45mm f/1.8.
The range feels a bit limited, but I like the direction we're heading.
Agreed, 18-50 would have been great
I think you guys both under appreciate how difficult it is to create a 1.8 zoom. I agree with you both more range would be better, but still this is amazing maybe next a 46mm to 110mm 1.8? That would be amazing no need for any other lenses
@@thatprcrawlerguy187 I completely grasp how amazing the 1.8 is! I'm all in on it, but it is a limited range. I'm excited to see how these lenses continue to advance.
@@thatprcrawlerguy187 1. Nobody really prefers 1.8 to f/2. 2. Based on previous Sigma 24-35, we know how unpopular a short zoom would be.
@@thatprcrawlerguy187It is hard for sure but they made this with the intention lf being limited so you'd still buy this and all the primes because "a pro" would'n be happy with this but still buy it for when he/she can't carry many lenses.
I couldn’t find any reason to use this 28-45 zoom. I would choose 35GM Prime
Yeah I pull aperture because if you're shooting wide and roaming on a gimbal / shoulder and want a smooth exposure transition, smooth aperture is the only way to make the transition nicely. And going from outside bright sunlight at large DOF to inside (probably finding a target like a presenter or important object) with shallow DOF can work quite well. Or going from stage lighting to audience in the same shot (say someone jumps off stage). Admittedly I don't do it often, but if I don't have it, those high light to low light transitions rely on clunky, jumpy gain boosts or shutter speed adjustments which I try to avoid at all costs.
admittedly variable ND filters can be a better solution but not always an option.
@@astrobotnautics5291 Yeah, we usually just adjust exposure with a variable ND. I think my question is more about DoF, are people actually pulling apertures for depth & focus?
@@froknowsphoto Not on a wide angle, that is pretty niche. I've done it with an 85mm before to go from subject to subject over shoulder but keep bokeh looking similar. Very niche use for DOF though.
That shot of the player giving autographs to the fans is everything! That's a fantastic moment! And that's what it's all about: capturing those moments.
Having Sony 20F1.8 and Tammy 35-150 F2-2.8 I do not know to think of such a lens, but I am tempted to buy one.
Right now I have Tamron 20-40mm F2.8 and the Tamron 70-180mm F2.8 G2… now don’t get me wrong I have been on the fence of getting a 24-70 but this is the lens I’ll be getting just cause that F1.8 is massively useful especially in crappy indoor lighting and low light situations at weddings.
I’ll eventually replace the Tamron 20-40 with the Sony 20 F1.8 for those wider family shots though.
would be more exciting if it was 24-50mm F1.8?
Sigma did make a 24-50 F2 for DSLRs.
Would be even bigger then!
@@caleidooits 24-35mm, f2
@@radeticmedia I sit corrected.
@@caleidoo that's the one I wish they made. That and an 85 or 105 makes a great pair.
the way i view it is a 35mm 1.8 prime with flexibility should you need it
Surely this lens has some field curvature? In a lot of shots in this video I saw bigger bokeh balls in the middle and they go smaller towards the edges, even if the objects are further away towards the edges. If you pause this shot 13:41, the bokeh in the top right corner seems harsher and less out of focus than the one of the people in the top middle section. Same at the F1.8 shot on the left at 8:22 (pause it): the crowd on the left edge is further from the lens, but it's seems less out of focus (harsher bokeh) than the crowd in the middle. Nothing dramatic of course, I just didn't expect to see it.
It's way too bulky for the applications I'd use that focal length for i.e walking around... But I like the ambition from Sigma. I'd rather take 2/3 primes as they're so much easier to handle on-camera. But again... Good for Sigma, they're smashing it lately.
I have the 24-70 Art which is a great lens... except when I shoot concerts where I could really use the extra light and more bokeh. When I first heard about a Sigma 1.8 zoom I thought, "oh yeah, problem solved" but with a zoom of only 28-45 it seems like a miss opportunity on Sigma's part. I'd sooner go with a 24 or 50 prime and crop in post.
A 24-70 F1.8 would be huge. Look at the Canon 28-70 F2.
The difference between 45mm and 70mm is not that much. It's about the same difference as 24mm and 28mm.
@@kylewist7745 nonsense. 28mm has only 17% wider FOV than 24mm.
Going from 28mm to 45mm is literally triple what you claim: Add 17%, then add 17%, then add 17% again.
@@masina9447
At 10m distance, horizontal FOV on full frame sensor. 24mm starting out at 14,5m FOV.
24-28mm@10m: -2m FOV (-2m)
24-35mm@10m: --4,5m FOV (-2,5m)
24-50mm@10m: -7,5m FOV (-2,5m)
24-70mm@10m: -10m FOV (-2,5m)
Those 4mm are very substantial in the wide end, making almost as much difference as going from 50 to 70mm does to FOV.
@@rao-foto The next -2.5m proves how dumb your comparison is.
24-150mm@10m: -12.5m (-2.5m)
According to you, going from 70 to 150 is the same as 24 to 28!
Why is it so hard for you to understand ratios and percent?
24-45 or 50 at f1.8 and that would have been a killer lens for weddings as I use 24 and 35mm a lot. This is a forgettable focal length range imho for that usage particularly at the wider end as 24mm is so useful.
After owning the Canon RF 28-70 2.0 this lens seems very limited. MOST people can't see a difference in 2.0 vs 1.8.
I would be all over it if it was overall a bit wider. If it was a 24-40mm it would have the perfect 24 starting point, and with most cameras today having a cropmode and higher mp count, the effective focal range could be far more useful.
The only time I've ever used the aperture ring during video is for theater work: if there's a reason to pan from the lit stage (F4) to the audience (F1.8), I'll spin the front dial as I turn. Having it on the lens wouldn't make that that much easier unless I was shooting top-handle with a monitor (which would make me more visible) and probably still rock the shot as I repositioned my hand to find the aperture ring. 95% of the time that you'd want to turn an aperture ring you'd be better off turning a VND filter ring instead and the only time I can't use them is for 300mm+ lenses for sports video where the lenses often have problems with infinity zoom with any filters on them.
I think that it would have good success with nikon z mount, since there are no zooms that bright that can compete. Personally I don't feel the need to have such a bright zoom, but It could be great for indoor or astrophotogragy enthusiasts!
I use the Aperture Ring ✋
You pull aperture during video shots?
@@sharifsalem If you have strong light changes due to a mix of sun and clouds and you are shooting a documentary, the aperture is often the best option for a smooth transition. And sometimes you don't necessarily want a completely blurred background.
@@lukaswunsch8332 Variable ND also would work, albeit a little more clunky.
I use the EF-S 18-35mm F1.8 all of the time! It is my absolute favorite lense. I don't care if it takes an 8MP picture on my R6. I also use it as my primary video lens. I'm a bit dissappointed that it loses some of that range, as the original is equivalent to a 28.8-56mm. But I'm even more dissappointed that it is not RF mount!
Re: Pulling aperture in video (3:12). Can someone cite a movie scene (from something available via a major streamer) where they know for sure there was an aperture pull? I don't recall ever seeing one. (I have seen major lens breathing during a focus pull which is not the same thing.) In the meantime, there are many lenses being made far less useful for photographers because of a small minority of "filmmakers" insistence on clickless aperture rings.
You make a really good point. I've never heard of an aperture pull. Doesn't mean there isn't one but it probably isn't a technique used very often. Anyone who thought of using one would probably use a split diopter instead. That said, video makers change apertures in order to suit different situations just like photographers do, and I hear about it often enough that it must be a handy tool.
All that said, I've got the Canon 50MM f/1.2 and that thing is a BEAST! Sharp edge to edge, no CA, etc. I let a friend use it on his Red and he compared it to a NiSi lens he has and he liked the manual focus NiSi better than the Canon. So sometimes these lenses aren't even the best choice for doing video work.
Essentially every single shot going from indoors to outdoors or vice versa uses an aperture pull.
@@swistedfilms I think you're misunderstanding what an "aperture pull" is. It has nothing to do with focus, that would be insanely difficult to coordinate with lighting and make look good.
It's used for adjusting exposure mid shot, like any time that a shot goes from indoor to outdoor or vice versa.
@@TechnoBabble You learn something new every day!
@14:36 Stubbs gotta get that left pinguecula looked at. Don't want a pterygium messing with his gameplay! (Of course you can easily see it due to the incredible sharpness of the lens)
I think if they had made it a 28 to 50 as an f2.0 it might have been more useful. You'd still have a full stop faster than the more standard 24 to 70 but you'd have a decent f stop covering three primes, 28mm, 35mm and 50mm.
If it was 24-50 they would sell a ton of them, 3 common focal lengths in one lens at f1.8, who wouldn’t want that🤷♂️
Hello, Jared Polin. I am wondering if you can do a Video on printers at different price ranges.
Depending how it performs for Astro I can see this lens good for Astro shooters as well. Personally I am still waiting for 150mm and 180mm Macro lenses(for RF mount as well).
I am sure it would work for astro on the wide end, but for half the cost of this lens you can get a 24mm F1.4 that will be smaller, wider, and better for astrophotography. This lens is tempting, but I already have the 24mm and 50mm F1.4 primes from Sigma, so it is hard to justify this lens.
For Astro 24mm or 20mm is ideal 28mm is a bit tight but I’ll test it out in a few days lol
I think this is the type of lens for "street" photographers or for someone that wants to do night photos in a city. I would definitely be more than happy with the lens when I go back to Tokyo. It'd make for an excellent street lens, at 28mm, it's just 'wide' enough. And at 45mm, it's just 'right' for that '50'mm focal length.
I really wished Nikon dished out a lens like this but damn, this is one FINE lens from Sigma.
Do you think this will be a better option than a 24 -70 2.8 lens
I pull the aperture ring during some projects. Very useful especially when it’s declicked.
I'm looking to pair something with my 35-150 f2-2.8. This could be it or the upcoming rumored 24-70 F2
i often pair that lens with the sigma 14-24mm 2.8
Damn did Sigma set a new record? An f1.8 full frame zoom lens, how is that possible?
why does photo of close up jt have white spots on photo. did you clean the lens fro. but your right about F/1.8 but the zoom range on this lens make no go for people range is not good.
Would there be a comparison video of this with the Sony 24-50?
Every time I see a new Sigma release for Sony (or anyone other than Canon) I get more and more pissed at Canon for not licensing the RF mount to them. They're going to drive me away if they keep this crap up.
bye, Canon couldn't care a less about some scrub who claims to be leaving them. That is called more money than brains, to throw away what you already have for a song and pay twice as much for everything you are replacing it with. Learn to use your camera, and get over GAS, you will be a better photographer
Great dynamic review as always
Thanks for it
Some say this zoom replaces 3 primes …
Yes and no
Yes obviously you get 3 focal lengths in one lens
But while you are in street photo a little 28mm or 35 f/2 is much more discrete than holding this big bad boy !
Nether the less for 1349$ and a L Mount body you get a Leica Q3 and Q3 43… 😊
Range is hella limited especially since Canon already has the 28-70 f2. f2 is only a third stop away from f1.8 and you get WAY more zoom range!
1.6x range is a joke
28-70 is a nice option, but it's twice the price of this new sigma lens
You get way more zoom range for way more weight, way more money, and no internal zooming.
Plus this new Sigma is actually overall sharper across the frame compared to the Canon 28-70 f/2.
Glad to finally see another zoom that's brighter than 2.8. Especially on FF. But 28-45 is just awkward. Would much rather just use a smaller, lighter, cheaper prime at 35 or 40. 20-35 or 35-65ish would be much more intriguing. Feels like this is just a "we did it first" situation. But hopeful to see others follow this trend.
At the biginning I thought it will be another 3k lens, but i was really suprised
Price not set by Canon 😅
With a high megapixel camera that provides in-body crop/digital teleconverter/dx-mode, this is pretty option.
Seems like a good lens for concerts if your up front in those super dark lit small venues for sure if you really want 1.8 or faster.
I think the background is more blurry on 70 mm at f2.0 than 45 mm at f1.8. Canon 28-70 f2.0 is more versatile but at higher cost.
Jared, what would you use now to record your EVF? That Atomos without a screen thing is discontinued
I guess the way to look at this lens is it’s a 35mm f 1.8 with a bit of versatility in range🤷♂️that said I’m not sure who would need that though.
If it were a 24-50mm f/1.8 it would be a way better offering. I guess it would have gotten even heavier and more expensive but at least the added expense would be more justified as truly being able to replace at least two other fairly expensive lenses.
What do I use for 28-45mm? 😂😁
Any zoom with less than 2x range is useless as it can be easily replaced with a prime, while also getting better images and not needing to carry a brick.
28 1.8 easily replace 28-45, 35 1.8 easily replace 35-56, 45 1.8 easily replace 45-72. So 28-45 1.8 easily replace a 28-72 f1.8😂 that means a canon RF 28-70 F2 L can be easily replaced by a Sigma 28-45 F1.8😂
@@陈一峰-y1r not a smart reply. Don't you know that in film era most people had just one 50mm lens and they managed to get many good pictures in many different settings. A particular focal length is not something you must have to get good pictures. In the end of the day you want to get interesting pictures and you don't care what lens got the desirable results.
Both 35/1.8 and 28-45/1.8 can be used in the same settings resulting in very similar looking pictures, so much so that differences in focal range will never be even noticeable. Of course, shooting with a small and light prime has big advantages over a large heavy zoom.
And if instead you take a 35/1.4GM lens, which is also light and small, you'll end up with more interesting pictures than from the Sigma zoom, because DOF will be noticeable.
Tony beat you by minutes, but I like to hear the Fro's take!
Almost enough zoom range for me. But not quite. I personally shoot a lot of beach portraits with a 24 and 50 prime. I love both of the lengths. 28-45 is too close. I love where things are going though!
Fro, the optimist! How can you use this strangely configured, quality glass?
wider lenses like under 70mm 1.2 - 2.0 apertures are great.. if you go above 70mm 2.8 is more than enough to get good separation or 3d-pop.. at 200mm even better.
From which prime lenses can you get this 3d look?
with lens blur now available in LR and PS, 2.8 is about enough, even when it's smaller and lighter. Now, you can't over do it or it looks unnatural, but subtle, and no one will ever know you didn't have a 1.4 or 1.2
I'll stick with the OG 18-35mm adapted to L-Mount. Can still use it in full frame mode, albeit with limited range. But it's perfect if using high e-stab on s5ii. Just have to use the "hack" every time it's powered on.
So you prefer shooting in APS-C crop on s5ii? That's quite unorthodox 😁
@@ElementaryWatson-123 If using the hack, it's full frame, and is able to fully utilize e-stab, same as any other full frame lens. How is that APS-C?
Mind you I'm talking about video. The above really has little benefit for photography, other than going for a high vignette style.
I have the Canon RF 28-70 f2. I sometimes wish it had a slightly larger zoom range than 42mm. f1.8 is great, but a 17mm focal range difference is not great.
luckily the 28-70 has a zoom range of 42mm, not just 32mm
@@KO4L4. Lol, my bad. Bedtime!
They share the same problem: not wide enough. 24mm would be massively better.
I think this would be a great second lens when i am shooting parties at bar or low light receptions
Sounds like the perfect lens for concerts. Paired with 70-200 2.8 and something like 12-24
I'm sorry, the 1.8 is enticing, but the zoom range is too limiting. If it could have been made to reach at least 80 I would take a longer look....
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I preference My primes at 1.4 - 20mm, 24mm, 35mm, 50mm and 85mm
Well when you realize sigma is not making these just for sony but has already made some great lenses for Lmount aswell so we can see the lmount already has some really good lenses now. They only need good cameras that can compete with the big 3
It would be nice to have it be 24 to 50 but it's a great value as is! I wish Sigma did more "version II" with their lenses. If a 24-70 f/1.8 can exist it would be one to rule them all .😎
Shooting with the APS-C crop you get about 70mm.
What about image stabilization does this lens have that feature
It does not
I love the range that a 24-70 gives and I love the unique look that anything wider gives me. I would love a sharp and reliable 24-120 2.8 that isn't overpriced. Sigma has been (mostly) on the ball when it comes to their pricing. Can we get them to make a 24-120 2.8 that is less than $1500 for working photographers who aren't rich? That'd be awesome.
You aren't being serious are you?
There's an old saying in Hollywood: Good, fast, cheap: pick two. If it's good and fast it won't be cheap. If it's cheap and fast it won't be good. If it's good and cheap it won't be fast.
@@swistedfilms Sure. But it doesn’t have to be overpriced either.
@@gregorybeale What about my comment seems like I’m not? Is it the comment on the price? Are you too used to being ripped off? I buy almost every single lens that I own second hand because they are so overpriced. If you’re going to try to justify spending $1500 on lenses that aren’t telephoto primes, you can forget it because it’s not an argument at all. Sigma and Tamron has proven time after time that well priced lenses are possible. They can absolutely continue that trend.
I get where you're coming from, I truly do. Your best bet is to get good used gear if you're on a budget. Or rent the gear you need and expense it to the client. Or if you're lucky enough to have a friend who has good gear, borrow it.
I use aperture ring regularly when shooting run and gun video… not even sure why that’s hard to believe 😅
I wish this had an option for ef 😞 would be perfect with my 18-35
Feels like it is very video focused more than still focused. I would love to see this for Z mount but going out to 50.l
Really cool lens. I'm L mount alliance gang and wish a faster 20-60 would come out. Truly my favorite zoom lens with those focal lengths.
Sony AF always trying to find the "eye" at every situation possible.. like at 10:20 😂
U can turn off face priority tho, i got it on the button
As usual I had enjoyed your video.
Thank you so much for your report with point.
Great video, love the set. But you could use some sound deadening, lots of background echo.
I absolutely loved my old 18-35 ART 1.8 for my Nikon DSLR...wish I could get this for my Nikon Z.
Nikon Z APS-C cameras are very basic, who would ever buy heavy expensive lenses for them?
@@ElementaryWatson-123 Did I say APS-C? This is a full frame ART lens that I wish I could get for my Z6II.
Nice job! Quality review. Yea I’ve been buzzed by those blackbirds down at Longwood. Not sure what the deal is. Nesting or babies to defend I guess. Great spot though.
Compare it to the 35mm 1.8…
Spare the money and the weight. Maybe geht a 20 or 24 1.8 to the 35mm. You could also pair a 24 & 50 and would have less weight and less cost.
Nice lens but that weight…. Still waiting for a compact top quality sigma 28 f2 because all these super wide zoom and fixed lenses with 1.2, 1,4 or 1,8 are really nice. But for travel beterr build a top notch 28 and 45mm f2 prime to walk around with.
Looks like it is using the same glass as the 18-35, which has reduced range due to the full frame.
for me this is the ideal lens for weddings, in combination with the 85 mm 1.4 I probably don't need anything more for the whole wedding day
Hmmm.. Depends on individual then.. for me 24-70 is still better for wedding than this.. 28 may not be wide enough for some situation and this lens is bigger and heavier than 24-70.. Also if outdoor. you wont need the f1.8.. indoor maybe .. but could work around with de-noise. But like I said. Sure.. if you prefer this over the 24-70.
You: AT LAST! An f/1.8 zoom for using in those really dark churches! I'll be able to lower the ISO for cleaner shots!
The churches: We'll save even more money by turning off the lights entirely!
If this lens is "ideal", then 35/1.4 is even more "ideal" 😂
Its always the obscene weight with the sigma art lenses…caring around 6lbs when you pair it with a battery grip and stuff…no fun!
The bird looked like a Red-Winged Black Bird.
NOTE: Red-winged blackbirds are one of our most familiar and recognizable birds, both because of their striking plumage and their aggressive and territorial behavior. At the right time of year - breeding and nesting season - these birds will chase away anything that dares to get too close, and that includes humans.
I thought by now RF mount would be receiving those lenses 😢
im not even lying but that type of bird doesnt likee fros especially. i get atked by them most summers🤣🤣
28-45 is perfection for video.
It is waaaaay more versatile the crop sensor 50-100 1.8 and 18-35 1.8... if Sigma managed to make thos some years ago for CS... they may know how to make it for FF. But it will destroy the lens market.
Just got this lens. Loving it!
I pull the aperture ring in all my documentary shoots when i don’t have an ND 🤷🏻♂️
It needed material for their nest from your head.. 🤣🤣
who really chases bokeh so hard??
Portrait photographers. Anyone who needs to separate a subject from the background and foreground.
@@kylewist7745 Not really a typical portrait focal length range, is it? 85mm is the classic and 135mm seems to be the hardcore choice.
@JeffBourke it's probably less about the bokeh and more about light gathering indoors. You get 2.4x the light with f/1.8 instead of f/2.8
@@masina9447 Plenty of people also shoot portraits at 35mm and 50mm.
Meh; will hold out for Tamron to invent the obvious: a 18-35mm f/1.8 full-frame zoom, to complement their legendary 35-150mm workhorse.
Would you trade for an increase in quality for 18-28 or 18-24? 16-24?
@@christopherberry8519 Basically, I'm not a tourist and the principal tradeoff for me is not in favor of portability/light weight -- give me the heaviest lens you need to design, so that I get 18-35mm f/1.8 full frame, and any less range is a nonstarter (I'll stick with lighter/better primes if the range is 10mm or less).
@@focuspulling You're looking at a 3kg lens with many lighter competing alternatives. - so a very rare sale indeed - not something that there's a market for IOW. You'd probably need a dedicated external battery for the focus electronics because of how heavy the elements would be.
@@christopherberry8519 The speculation of an external battery for focus capability is absurd. Of course not. Again: at this level of quality, lightweight convenience for amateur hikers/soccer moms/etc. matters much much much less.
Maaan.. f1.8 us such a difference.. this pictures look great.. makes me wanna get a 20mm f1.8 or something like that..
OMG this is real
jared being chased by a bird reminds me of that music where Yoda gets attacked by seaguls XD
Great video!!
Red winged black birds and the fact it looked like that tells you that it was a male, the females look way different and you were probably close to a ground nest they had.
why/how is it the same size as the tamron 35-150 f2-2.8
Because it's a f1.8 so it has to be big because science. I have the 35-150 it's amazing.
I do as well
The lens looks nice but I don't see the purpose for it , at least make it a 24 - 70 or a 17 - 50 1.8
35 1.4 still wins the day just get a 60 mp camera and crop to 50mm and step back to 28mm
It's not for me, but I like where Sigma is going.
You know what. The reason why we are not satisfied is because how much camera phone technology is growin more rapidly had pro cameras. How does a phone with camera the camera tech the size of quarter supersede a 5 pound device dedicated to do 1 job. I believe we should have 24-70 1.8 in 2024. We have done so much with all other technology and pro photography is a dying game.
Those concert shots at F1.8 and ISO 4,000 would be at iso 10,000 for the same exposure at F2.8. For some cameras that wouldn't be a big issue, but for the 61mp A7R cameras that is an issue. They don't do well above 3,200 iso, and are really bad above 6,400 in my opinion.
The A7R V has a nearly identical overall signal to noise ratio to the A7 IV and A7S III. In general higher resolution cameras are not worse in low light.
@TechnoBabble Usable real-life ISO is lower for high-resolution cameras of similar sensor design. Go shoot some video on the A7RV and the A7SIII at 102,000 ISO and see which one has more noise.
@@ElMundoDuro wow, talk about a nothing argument.
Who said anything about video? Is the A7R V designed for video? Shooting at 102,400 ISO isn't a "real-life" scenario for 99.9999% of shooters.
YOU were the one that said "bad above 6400". Try to stay on topic.
@@TechnoBabble You said, "In general higher resolution cameras are not worse in low light." That is just a false statement for photo and video. I threw in the extremely high ISO example to illustrate that fact. You threw a video-centric camera into the mix known for having excellent low light performance compared to those other cameras. As for the original topic, at ISO 6400, the A7RIV/V have too much noise in many scenarios regardless of shooting photos or video... The A7IV and A7III do not. Some people may move that up or down a stop depending on their tolerance for noise. But those other cameras will always be that much better at any given ISO. Again to the original topic, this is why fast glass is important. Especially on cameras like the A7R series. Same for other high pixel density cameras like those found in Micro Four Thirds. Also the shooters must know their limitations. I don't push my A7RIV past ISO 3200 just like I don't push my MFT cameras past ISO 3200 because they have similar pixel size and noise. For low light my 24Mp full frame camera just produces a better image with less noise. Same with video.
@@ElMundoDuro I hope you realize that your own examples are just objectively wrong and that it's information you can easily look up yourself right now, right?
The A7 III, A7 IV, and A7R V all have functionally the same signal to noise ratio. You are likely operating under the incorrect position of viewing all images at 1:1 in an editor, which is not the same as the overall signal to noise ratio of an image.
More pixels with a lower SNR per pixel can give an overall SNR the same as less pixels with a higher SNR per pixel. This has been tested many times.
In fact at the ISOs you're claiming, like 3200 and 6400, the A7R V produces more detailed images than the A7 III and A7 IV because the SNR of the overall image is still low enough that the significantly higher resolution gives noticeably more detail.
Pixel size does not determine noise performance and the fact that you equated MFT to 60mp full frame is absolutely hilarious and just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.
I pull aperture