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#XMEN97 #invincible #invincibleseason3
Today's video takes a look at the two current heavyweight champions of comic book animation, Invincible and X-Men 97 . These two shows are incredibly faithful to the source material and feature top knotch animation, but today we review why they are authentic. - Розваги
Invincible proved to me it wasn’t superhero fatigue, it was bad story fatigue.
The Boys did it for me.
SO TRUE!!! Marvel could still be making a killing if they would stop pandering to people who don’t care for comics, and start pandering to people who do.
how did you not realize this sooner lol
@@highdefinition450Fish don't notice the water?
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They really gave gambit a top 5 character moment of the year
“…Remember the name!”
EXCELLENT WORK. KEY 🗝 ISSUES
@@KeyIssues The name's Gambit, mon ami... Remember it.
His constant flirting was always top 5 moments in the original that shit was memorable 😂
@@KeyIssuesim not over it. I saw the episode this past Friday. Im not over it 🥺
x men 97 is the best marvel show in a long time 🔥🔥
FACTS!!!
@@TerrellAmari AAAAAA? remember invincible.
It might be the best Marvel product ever produced
Im really enjoying it. I hope it keeps up the pace.
Fax
I was never Scott's biggest fan when I was a kid. But between X-Men 97 and the Earth-27M project, he's quickly become a favorite.
You’re allowed to join the club
FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE WHO KNOWS ABOUT EARTH-27M, LOVE THAT PROJECT!!!
@@kadegetslaid634 I love it. More people need to join the fandom.
@ericschuller908 honestly 100 percent, it's such a niche thing that needs to be bigger
@kadegetslaid634 if I had my way, Roy would have an entire studio's worth of resources to bring his work to life.
It is nice to see Cyclops finally be treated right. Not just used as a villain.
I know people are raving about Cyclops now... but a villian? Nah. Did you watch the original show? The most villainous thing he did was the interview in episode 5 of the new show. Very out of character.
@@ZakynthosDiamandis its not that out of character if you've been watching 97 it made sense for him to lose his cool.
@@syrup8790 I know it made sense. I'm not criticising the show at all. It was demonstrating how far he has been pushed. It was still shocking from such a typically heroic character hence my use of the phrase. I actually thought he may be being mind controlled at first.
@@ZakynthosDiamandis ohhh, my bad then I just miss understood what you meant
@@ZakynthosDiamandis it’s because of miscorrelation with comic Cyclops who is objectively not a good person after all he’s done. Like he abandoned his wife and child in the comics instead of it being a more complicated situation
He also turned full villain for awhile
Yall never watched xmen evolution. Cyclops was a menace in that show
I actually admit I have not. Should I though?
@@KeyIssues you should! They give mad respect to my man Cyclops and Jean. (Unlike the 90’s version where Jean just moaned and fainted like 90% of the time)
@@KeyIssuesyes
X-men Evolution is great. Actually there's not a bad X-men cartoon, fortunately
@@DanielHernandez-gx4kh second this. Scott and Jean were the biggest improvement in Evolution. Kitty was a highlight, too. Love her driving lesson episode with Logan.😂 The show also gave us X-23, and I’m forever grateful for that ❤
Gambit has always been my favorite. Glad this series is letting him get his time in the spotlight.
💯 % agree!!👍
I Love invincible! I never heard of it before the TV show. Season 1 became one of my favorite shows of all time. Like comfort food, I can tune into anytime during any episode and just let it play.🔥
This is what i love to hear. Thats how new fans are made. They hit it out of the park.
Invincible is my favorite superhero comic. The story is that good. Season 3 will be absolutely brutal for mark. Yes even more than before.
Same here! You took the words right out of my mouth. I've watched season 1 every time i have a gap in content. I finish a big show like the walking dead and don't know what to watch next?: invincible!
I'm just grateful that they continue to invest in such high-quality animated series (beyond anime).
And adult animation at that! It’s about damn time.
Calling Wolverine “the short thick boy” is crazy😂
Invincible, X-Men97, Cobra Kai and The Boys are heaven to my born in 84 soul.
I can definitely see some of that.
I was literally thinking about this during *that part* in episode 5. I’d actually argue that X-men 97 is outperforming this season of Invincible.
They are both awesome, i really enjoyed Season 2 of invincible. Next season is gonna be CRAZY
Unlike Invincible, X-Men 97 animators take no shortcuts. I don't think I've ever seen animation this consistently great from any other show or movie before, and the style is so distinct it feels really fresh. So I'd say X-Men 97 is definitely outperforming Invincible.
@@andyandie8604 I would agree X-Men is definitely constant in quality and I would say is out preforming Invincible but both are definitely peak
I really enjoy the animation from x-men 97 series than invincible right now. You can tell the people that made it really cared about the quality of this show. But from a writing standpoint they both are equal in quality.
@@KeyIssuesseason 2’s pacing, story and animation took a big dip compared to season 1. The finale with mark and eve on the bridge… their faces were looking kinda stretched
The first season of Invincible turned me into a fan. I bought the first compendium and I'm getting the second next paycheck. Season 2 was genuinely amazing in my opinion, in a way that's improved on what I've seen in the comic. It feels like a second draft and I've loved how character focused it's been
I just finished compendium vol 2, it’s definitely a mature step up. I loved it.
@XanBcoo pretty sure Robert himself said that the animated invincible is a second draft for the story to improve upon things he felt were rushed
@@zb3576 interesting!!! I can definitely see them doing that
It was worse for me- when I finished season 1 I bought all 3 compendiums and binged them and then reread them again after season 2
Really great video hope in the future we get more tv shows like X-Men 97 and Invincible.
Thank you! And me too.
Cyclops has always been my favorite X-Men and I'm glad I lived to see the day where my boy is finally getting the respect he deserves! 🙌🏽 X-Men 97 has been incredible so far I can't wait to see the rest of the season! Especially the 3-part finale!
being older than google , I remember waking up on Saturday mornings and running to my TV to watch X-Men, Spiderman, and handful of other awesome shows.
For real though, I read ( -watched on youtube lol- ) the entire Invincible comic and I LOVE IT. Love contained stories that only have time travel and alternate dimensions as flavor enhancements to the main story without derailing it.
Beginning, middle and end. Compelling writing and great characters. 🥰🥰
X-men and time travel, name a more iconic duo
I’m so glad Marvel animated is destroying it nowadays, DC fans were too smug for too long.
Yeah ngl being a DC fan is pain rn. Once James Gunn gets their shit together in the live action dept. it’s game over tho 🤷♂️
I hope Marvel can keep this up because the DCU is launching soon and it feels like an eter6aince both companies had great animation at the same time
There is room for both fandoms. We can all love marvel and dc together
Fr😂
@NiteOwl2000 lol His first movie is looking like a cluster ... everyone and their mom is in it and I cant see any character getting enough time to shine ..
WB has made very bad choices always
Nah these shows are crazy 🔥🔥
crazy awesome
I while heartily apologize for hating cyclops before now 🤣
I forgive you, welcome back
I never gravitated towards the leader/boy scout type characters when I was a kid. Loved Batman instead of Superman, Raph instead of Leo, Wolverine over Cyke, etc. I've definitely grown to appreciate Scott over the years in the comics and his treatment in 97 only solidified my growing love of the character.
I've been saying the exact same thing for years. I've never understood why Hollywood decided to do movies about comic books and use the names of stories but not the actual story from the Comic. They adapt books very closely to the actual book but comics are pretty much in name only.
The part that always amazes me is how Hollywood will buy a property to adapt, then entirely ignore the stories and characters that made the property worth optioning in the first place. Then they're surprised when no one cares about it. A perfect example is the Halo show vs the Fallout show.
I hope they make a revival of Spider-Man, the animated series just like X-Men 97 it ended on a cliffhanger, and I would also like to see a Judge Dredd adult animated series just like Invincible.
If we ask for too much itll end up like the live action mcu
I really want an Astro City animated show in the same style as Invincible. I think that would be great.
or Saga!
An Astro City animated series is a great idea.
glad i aint the only one who loves that book
Rather watch seance dog the series
Great video bro the comedy in your dialogue is great made me crack up
Your point at around 6:00 that the Xmen cartoon series was your introduction to this world is so right. I could not get comic books but having that Fox series, and occasional comics, or books from the library, were my way to read them. I'm so grateful that those writers in the OG series did what they did and stayed true to the characters given all the constraints they had.
I'm loving X-Men '97, but that's not surprising since I grew up with the original, and the Claremont run. Invincible is what blew my mind. I loved S1 and the wait for S2 was excruciating so, after S2 ended, I decided to buy it all and OH MY GOD. I could not stop reading. I devoured the 25 TPBs in a week. It's one of the best things I've ever read in my life, and I'm 39 years old. I've read a lot.
Thing about this is Comic Book characters from DC & MARVEL that existed for so long. There's countless of retcons and how a character is written in 1 era won't be the same in another era, due to countless of writers writing them differently. Example:
- If you read Batman in the Silver Age, he's a goofy Character who would do the most wackiest things, like fighting a Monster who turned him into Paper, or that time Robin had to baby sit Batman as a Baby.
- If you read Batman in the 90s/2000s, he's more to being a Detective trying to find criminals and running into Corruption.
- if you read Batman nowadays, you can get a range from Family Adventure, or absolute Mayhem where he's Fighting everyone on sight.
I'll also add: what makes making a Story/adaptation of a Character to big screen great, is the fact that because the story hasn't been rehashed, you can read something New if you want more. Or something great can come out of whatever they "adapted" and can potentially supercede the original work! Example:
- reading the Original Spider-verse comic from 2014, you can realise that compared to the 2018 version, they gave so much significance to Miles and Gwen, despite the fact that both characters aren't that significant in the original comics.
- Had the Movie adapted the Original Story, it'll be more like a Multiversal War with Spider-Man characters, with the biggest characters being Otto Octavius, Peter Parker, Cindy Moon, Miguel O'Hara.
In my opinion, what makes adaptations good isn't necessarily because they copied the original series page by page. Rathermore they understood the characters, and their story and used it as a Blueprint to create a new story with the characters we know and love.
If it were to be the former, series like: Spectacular Spider-Man, everything DCAU, Teen Titans, etc. would NOT be loved by so many.
These are the only two comic shows I’m loving
It’s refreshing seeing a video prop up two projects people like instead of bringing one down for the other. They’re both great in their own right.
Fyi: I’ve always been team cyke and I’m glad they’ve adapted him right, I’d even say his character is better adapted in ‘97 than TAS
We try to be mostly positive, there are a million grifter youtubers who produce nothing but hate-bait. They don’t realize that their constant complaining is pushing fans out of comics bc they’re being brainwashed. Now those same channels are struggling to get views bc they did such a good job of peeing their pants over Captain marvel lol
Really good video man.
You nailed that analysis.
thank you
This was a really well made video essay about my two favorite currently running shows. I was never a huge comic book reader. I had a very small collection of mostly spider man comics as a kid and these shows are fantastic even independent of reading the source material.
Bro Walton Goggins prolly has the year of his career RN invincible then fallout
Please son...Do you know The Shield? specially last season for him. There are more things besides nerdy stuffs
Episode 5 was insane and I did not expect them to go in that direction!!!!!!!
I never got to see any of the X-Men cartoons growing up, nor did I read comics or anything like that, so all of my exposure to the X-Men were from the movies ( 💀💀💀 ), so I never got to truly know Cyclops, I am truly sorry for my bad taste as a child ❤
These shows are PEAK!
I almost completely agree with your point about authenticity. I'm the biggest Superman fan I know, and even I'll tell you the character needs some adaptation. For example, whether he's holding back or not, there is NO reason anyone lacking Super-Speed should ever be able to even so much as touch him, and yet it happens all the time. I've heard every excuse, and none of them are good enough.
It’s hard for us Superman fans… our favorite character has every power
@KeyIssues I wish Kryptonians felt more like Viltrumites. When the Vils show up, everything turns dead-serious and you're suddenly in fear for absolutely everyone. Kryptonians should be that times 10, and yet I've never been as scared when Zod shows up as I am when any random Vil does.
@@Mythic_Zach It's because DC needs to keep a status quo and can't just have Zod killing some important characters we care about. Invincible is like manga - one story from beginning to the end in comic form. This frees it up to allow for lasting consequences of the fights etc.
@@quantumvideoscz2052 I never said I didn't know that. I just said it's freaking lame! 😂
I really don’t understand why Hollywood won’t follow the source material.
Superman Spider-Man and X-men have a special place in my heart as well
She Hulk left a bad taste in my mouth. Was bothered that I wasted time watching it. Invincible & X-Men 97 crush it in every way possible despite the obvious difference in animation (some would argue that much CGI might as well be animation) the writing, stories & plot is just better. They keep you involved and actually care about the characters’ development, with actual stakes & consequences. Invincible did more for the guardian of the globe from episode 1 than marvel has done in the last several live action series.
I’m glad you’re vibing with the new stuff. We’re seeing some good content, shame we have to wade through some crap to get to it!
She-Hulk was written by people that don't even know or like She-Hulk. They just know she's more comedic than Hulk. And that's what they focused on. They didn't try to translate any of her actual stories into live action. Which is why it's so bad!
"My wife" 😂😂
Cyclops does his own stunts now
I watched the movies and just saw Scott as a background character. Wolverine was the MC.
Then ‘97 came out and I see why he has fans.
Welcome brother… to the congregation
I just started 97 yesterday…… it’s fire bro
Both of these shows are fantastic we need more of this for the future time to invest in animation with writers who are comic book fans
I’m so happy they brought the REAL Cyclops from the comics
Good stuff man 👍
Thanks
That first episode made me so happy, cyc finally getting the he's always deserved!
I love both X-men 97 and Invincible and seen every episode of both and look forward to more. 👍👍👍👍. 97 is a true faithful and updated version of original. Before the show, i never read or seen anything about Invincible and knew none of these characters but this show is making me a fan and getting to know them well so i am now a fan because of this show. I hope they do the same if they ever do Authority like R rated, Superman 2000, Batman 95, Spawn 99, Spider-man 98, and others they could continue from original endings.
Cyclops has always been my favorite character since i first saw x men as a kid. I’m so glad he’s finally getting the love he deserves
Thank you for this video!
Thank you for the nice comment
i've been a cyclops enjoyer SINCE falling down the x-men rabbithole and i am SO glad he's actually getting to do more stuff outside of the comics
I think animation is just a better medium for superheroes overall
Firm agree. Feel like live action breaks the uncanny valley and we end up with shit like Green Lantern
Gambit and Wolverine have always been my favorites since i was a kid, i was so happy to see gambit finally get some shine and even though it didn’t last for long i am so keen to see more of the show. In most other shows with the same circumstance i would have dropped it. But got damn im sticking to xman 97 till it ends.
The main problem with scott is that they never portrayed him correctly in the films, his suit is vital to the character’s popularity same with the rest of the team and i hope this is something the MCU fixes
Rouge, Rouge has always been my favorite, as well as Gambit. They always made watching X-men as a kid so fun. I’m glad to see they finally getting the recognition they have always deserved. Also loving Storm in this as well they showed her as so weak in the movies not like the comics at all so glad to see it.
Soon as I got money I bought Giant size X-men 1 and hulk 181, I grow up on them,
Bascically the same for me as kid. I had old hand me down computers until I was 17 and did have high speed until around that time. I got a job and paid for high speed internet and built my first computer from mostly used parts. Then I started getting any X-Men comic I could get, up to decimation. I read all of invincible through digital comics. Never purchased a physical copy of the series.
After finishing season 2 of invincible I did the unthinkable (for me at least) and finished the entire run of the og comics in less than 3 days. I am in ruins. I see the show much more differently now. But MAN am I excited to see that all animated!
I'm so happy for Scott. Been getting hard done all these years and I'm hype
I cheered when Scott got domed in Ultimate.
Ultimate X-men wasn't for me...
can x men team from X-Men 97 defeats akatsuki from naruto?
Oh, that’s a tough question. What about could they handle Shibuya incident from jujitsu Kaisen?
probably not
I gotta be honest. I’m not sure. But I don’t think the Akatsuki can do anything they’ve never seen before.
@@lightspaceman5064 uh everything the Akatsuki can do the x-men team have never seen any of it bro.
After I watched the first season of Invincible, I went out and bought the three compendiums! I've read them 3 times and absolutely love the characters and story!!
cyclops was always my favorite x men ever since i was little. you don’t even know how happy i am for how x men 97 is treating him
I like cyclops. I just don't like him with Emma frost. I hate the love triangle with him, Logan and jean. And I absolutely hate that he killed Charles Xavier in the comics.
Exactly, Emma belongs with me anyway. I can change her.
Well said! I have raised my kids on the no adult cartoons you have mentioned. We are working through the remaster of Spiderman TAS right now!
I can never unsee wolverine's mask look like 2 Batman looking at each other
i needed more mature Super hero content, and XMEN and Invincible gave me that
I’ve always loved Scott even when they did him dirty on the og trilogy and I’ve loved him since love that my boy is getting some shine
Preach
EMOTIONS.. I LOVED THE INVINCIBLE BECAUSE OF BRUTALITY N EMOTIONS.. I LIKE COMICS BECAUSE OF BRUTALITY N EMOTIONS.. X MEN 97 IT WAS AN AMAZING NOSTALGIA BUT ILOVE IT BECAUSE OF EMOTIONS N ACTION! THAT'S WHAT MIOST PPL SEEK! SAME REASON I LOVE BERSERK..
Berserk is GOATed
Back then i baught xmen 1 - 30. I picked up a couple of uncanny xmen too. I never knew scott was supose to be The Fearless Leader. But i knew he was badass! I respected what he wad able to lead the team thru. It wasnt till '97 that i wad able to see whathe was able to do. Ive always resoected him. Im glad others do now too.
After watching the first season of Invincible i immediately went and bought the entire series. I was hooked. Probably my favorite comic series
I agree I like both shows
I sincerely hope that one day we get a live action X-Men adaptation that gives Cyclops the respect he deserves
One of my favorite content creators is also a Cyclops fan? You just became THE favorite. All of my friends used to tease me for liking the boy scout over the cool bad boy Wolverine. It's amusing how they've switched sides and now pretend they were always fans. But I know the truth, and I'll always remember >:O
They shunned us. Belittle us. The age of the wolverine fan is over… NOW IS THE AGE OF SUMMERS!
I agree with the points in this video 100%, although I will say a show like Young Justice shows that comic accuracy isn’t completely necessary when there’s passion and talent driving the project. Also, like you said, when it’s not claiming to be something else, like with secret invasion
Finished x men 97 in a day, it was that good
I've liked a lot of superhero movies and shows lately, but these two are very clearly top dogs.
I have the Receipts!!! 😂😂😂😂
God thats Funny!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Spot on video
is there any chance you might do manga videos, or have a separate channel for it?
We are planning on covering Demon Slayer... or at least I am (nick), Garrick has made some videos on record of Ragnorak, and he has plans to cover more Manga in the future (Specifically JJK)
Cyclops got major character development during the 2000s!
who new adapting stories that fans loved in the first place for film and television would turn out to be really good
I personally never cared about cyclops mostly because of the movies didn't hate him but didn't like him. But now I am liking what x men 97 is doing with cyclops
You’re allowed to join the club
With the X-men movies, you are absolutely correct. The characters and stories are used to sell what coukd or should be original ideas/concepts/stories which should be presented as original to see if they stand on their own, without the bait and switch. The Phoenix story has been tried twice- each time it was told as an entirely definite story than the one people would like to see on the big screen. Some say it may take more than one moviemtomsomit Justice… really? Like Lord of the Rings or Star Wars. If it needs more than one movie, what’s the profit problem?😊
Exactly... how many times can a writer fumble the plot before they just admit they can't write a story better than the freaking people who wrote it first
X-Men 97 and Invincible WORK because, just like Phase 1-3 of the MCU, they respect the original source material and they respect the fans of the original source material. The DCEU and the MCU Phase 4-5 did not and do not and look how that worked out for them.
Can u do a complete history of Titan from Invincible
I loved Scott Summers as a kid during the early 1990s. But hated him in the live action movies. I'm glad to see him return to form in X-men 97.
I was literally saying to someone 2 weeks ago X-men 97 makes me feel like when I first watched invincible, fresh exciting, vigorating and most importantly, faithful to the source material!!
You know what's really funny? Those "illiterate people" don't usually think the X-Men aren't an allegory to current social issues, specifically racism and, to a lesser extent, the hatred against LGBTQ+ people. However, a lot of people disagree on how to read this allegory. If you look at who is presented as correct and the good guy, which usually means who the writer wants you to agree with and who they personally agree with (USUALLY), you'll find out that Magneto's original idea, which was that humans were all evil and it's ok to be prejudiced against them in return, is NEVER condoned by the writers or by the main heroes. In X-Men ´97, Magneto does his best to honour what Xavier wanted: a peaceful solution of mutual coexistence. A lot of people will call the show woke, yet from what we can see when such people post their opinions online, they basically agree with og Magneto. The show is not meant to be a tool of political education or pandering or a medium for spreading a specific ideology, it's artistic and ANALYZES the ideas, poses questions and tries to answer them, makes you THINK about the issues. Something that is sorely missing from a lot of modern entertainment. It's like with Star Trek. Discovery doesn't exactly make you think about an issue when it covers it the way TNG used to when they covered the same topic. But X-Men ´97 DOES make you think, it does present the situation as complex and without a clear simple solution, which distinguishes it from ideological slop. Hell, Magneto's speech in the sky is incredible precisely because it doesn't follow the modern woke ideology. He demands that the humans acknowledge this is a shared world and that mutants have the same right to live in it as they do. Simple as that. He doesn't ask to be seen, he doesn't ask to be loved, he doesn't want a "mutant history month", he demands equal rights and that is it.
Think I agree with you. 97 *could* have easily been a ham fisted one sided woke mess. (Like so many shows these days)
But they are doing a good job of demonstrating that you can tackle these topics with a bit of nuance and consideration for more than one ideological perspective.
Trek TNG did a great job of this back in the day. Heck, The Orville did a pretty great job of it recently too.
I hope 97 continues this trend.
@@LastBastian Definitely!
I've been a Cyclops simp my entire life! Glad to see him finally getting the respect he deserves.
Scott was amazing in the From the Ashes Run in Uncanny X-men. Seeing him take on Mastermind and a tricked group of X-men in the Danger Room was him at his best. Also liked him in the Grant Morrison run. His power is relatively boring but he is proper thinking warrior / workaholic. great character !
Cyclops to me was the coolest X Men character, I remember Back in days I would use my headphone as blasters and pretend to be him, It's a shame that our bro is violated in every medium whether it's comics or in Live action.
We will have our day in the sun
The think the reality to me is that it shows how good Marvel can be too when they don’t have to worry about a products connection to the MCU specifically and remembering that just like DC that Marvel is a brand that can just tell any kinda stories it wants without worrying about its connection with other movies or series like Spectacular Spider-Man. I feel like DC has been good at making stuff like that with Joker and The Batman so I’d like Marvel Studios to just realize it doesn’t hurt to do that too cuz not everything they make needs to be MCU based it can just be the Marvel characters in general
I agree, these two properties are totally being faithful and trying to put minimal twist on them. Thats what makes them popular, the original reasons they were popular to begin with.
Personally i grew up with Evolution Cyclops so i was used to seeing him learnig how to be a leader, and seeing him being prone to being an ass every now and again mostly while hanging out with nightcrawler, made him feel like someone you'd acrually want to hang out with,
And seeing him learn from the pacifist xaviar who only uses violence as a last resort; and the more millitant wolverine whos the typical get the job done by any means nessisary and watching him grow as both a solder, and eventually as a leader was pretty dope,
Also i kinda liked instead of just being some wierdo creeping on cyclopsis girl; wolverine is basically the dissaproving but loving stepfather of not just scott but the whole team, wolveriines someone whos been subjected to unnimagginable torture because he was a mutant and people wanted to turn him into a weapon, and he just wants to make shure that if they have to these kids can handle themselves, but aslong as he's arround, he'll make shure they WON'T have to
I gotta watch that, people here in the comment section have been praising it.
Animation gives you more room for world building than live action
Kinda, yeah. I think animation is arguably the best medium for adapting comics - it allows long-term storytelling in a way that live-action can struggle to find the budget or time to manage.