Correct. Two mudsticks sulking while everyone else is having a great time. That interview is a PERFECT encapsulation of the dynamic between Ace and the two sulking mudsticks.
Yeah. I never got that. You'd think that he'd be ecstatic that the interview went as well as it did, because it was good publicity for the band and good publicity for the band = more money for Gene.
The remote boat and shrimp story at the restaurant is even funnier when you read Peter Criss' biography. Ace actually got in the water and acted out Godzilla and was tossing every customers boat around....then they all got kicked out.
It was. Ace was genuinely funny...although he was walking along the edge of a cliff with his level of drunkenness. His words really started to slur. I love watching it, but I can see why Gene and Paul were annoyed and embarrassed. Ace was so clearly super fucked up on national tv.
@@pts5217 You saw when Gene tried to make a joke that bombed, and nobody laughed at tha. "about that swamp land you wanted to buy" Sheesh Gene can't you go along with what was happening?
i think 'sure know something' is the most prolific of all of the kiss songs. it's a perfect blend of pop/r&b/hard rock and paul's vocals are soulful and strong, some of his best.
I love how the excuse why the Dynasty album didn't sell was overexposure. It's never "We blew that one. KISS wasn't Donna Summer." A year later, "Back In Black" comes out. If they'd stayed the course they started with RnR Over and Love Gun things would've been ALOT different.
One can only wonder... Ace wanted them to stay the course (especially after Dynasty), but with Peter out of the band he was continually outvoted by Gene & Paul on musical direction.
@@kranmaster - Exactly correct. Had they listened to Ace, KISS would have returned to putting out hard rocking albums and maybe Ace wouldn't have quit.
I agree 100%. I honestly believe Ace was burnt out and when you love playing hard rock and all of a sudden you are asked to sound more pop it had to have a effect. I actually like Dynasty but I was 10 at the time lol. Yes I know Ace had substance problems. He wasn’t happy and if some changes had been made? 1980 was the year for British Steel from Judas Priest,Back in Black AC/DC. If KISS had went in a heavier direction instead of the Unmasked and the Elder who knows. I would have loved to have heard Creatures of the Night with a focused Ace!
Dynasty is a great rock album. You're taking one or two songs and like a lot of people do, dismissing the album as a whole as a "disco rock" album. Outside of the two singles thee's plenty of straight up rock on that album (Magic Touch, Hard Times to name two) I do think overexposure turned people off, there was a new KISS album in stores every 6 months from 1976 onward. There was toys and it just became "overkill" Unmasked is where they should have re-focused on being an allout rock band instead of trying to explore the pop side of their sound more.
This was GREAT! Thanks for posting!!! I didn’t realize that Bill managed Billy Idol too! Of course KiSS just closed up shop like right now, Idol was a two album smash but disappointed after. Love Mony Mony. I had heard Poor Bill died, so I looked and it was 2010.
Bill was a visionary and a great manager. The solo albums were a bold and unique move, still love them to this day, and dynasty was a fantsstic album, as the concept itsself. Finances is an entirely different entity, and back then the economy was changjng. Taking judas priest as support group was a daring move, and good one too. Imagine if they toured japan back then, australia, south America...
@@patrickthometz6365 Ace Frehley is worth several million dollars. He lives in a beautiful estate, travels the world for fun and plays gigs even though he doesn't have to. And he's got more credibility as a musician than either Simmons or Stanley. Cretin
No, Peter and Ace have admitted to their faults, genius!!! Peter and Ace were sober even when the reunion tour happened and you can't have a reunion without the two legends and best members of the original lineup Peter and Ace!!! They auditioned 40 drummers and guitarists in 73 and look who won the jobs, and they are just as much originals as the other two delusional narcissistic assholes, they bailed them two idiots out, by being talented and amazing!!! Team Peter and Ace always
Gene and Paul repeat the same script in every interview. New comprehensive documentary coming later this year on Netflix called “Kisstory”. Hopefully it will be fresh interviews but I doubt it.
@Coogan Relax. Ace was and is refreshing! By the way, Ace is still playing! Doing a sold out show in Virginia, months out. I am trying to scalp a couple tickets to that show.
@Coogan Ace played great in 1996. KISS Acoustic show. When you make a lot of money, sometimes you lose the hunger. Live music with people actually playing instruments will always be fun. I hope some of the young punks of today realize the crap they like.
@Coogan Not one of those guys you mentioned could hold the jockstrap of Edward Van Halen. There’s at least fifteen players I have better than the best of your three.
@Coogan Anybody can play Hendrix. Van Halen used to turn his back so no one saw his finger tapping style. Van Halen was the innovator, so to me and most knowledgeable guitarists, he is the standard. Van Halen was also designing his own guitars by reworking his pickups to get his sound.
I really loved hearing this from the perspective of Bill Aucoin. He now seems like the forgotten link for the history of the group. I have read the book of Gene Simmons, Paul Stanley and Ace Frehley. I haven't read the book by Peter Criss but I intend to.
he didn't frame that right. the fact that a band released solo albums from each member and all sold over 1 million copies was quite an achievement regardless of the fact that no other group has done it or even tried. most bands wouldn't take that kind of financial risk and most bands were not popular enough to even consider it.
Bill repeated himself early on about the Solo albums ad mistakenly saying Over a million sold, and explained it, then started explaining it again from the start ha
I think I just found that laser curtain that didnt work for KISS. that idea was used a year later in 1980 in the Village People movie, Cant Stop the Music in the movie finale. Wouldnt surprise me since they were on the same label Casablanca.
Yes I agree it was a very good book that told you how the financial aspects of the Kiss business ran. Peter and him remain very good friends to this day
It's been awhile. Either "kiss and sell" or "black diamond" was a tough UNinteresting read. It was the business end written by someone who clearly was not a writer
A huge number of the shows on the Dynasty tour had to be cancelled cuz of poor ticket sales. They lost an ass load of money. Glickman Marks their business managers told the band to fire Aucoin for hitting the bed with the tours concept.
And to think Gene wanted an amusement park/carnival apparatus called “Kiss World” to travel with them on the tour, how ridiculous would that have been?
I remember by the early 80's the 8-track tapes were .50 cents in woolworths as they were discontinued as a format. And vinyl had cuts across the tops of the covers as they weren't selling either-at that time the Cassettes sold better.
LOL @ 22:50 - Option 'C' = Eric Carr is The Chicken. So many great photos of them...@ 29:17 - looks like Kiss first met Elton John in 1975, since they're clearly sporting the 'Dressed To Kill'/ 'Alive!' era outfits.
you always have great content. interesting interviews rare photos and little talking sometimes just when needed. you kick '3sides of the cunt' lame ass.
That statement about the solo records actually selling platinum is completely false. KISS received platinum certification for each record back in the day when that distinction was given for how many SHIPPED, not SOLD. It was because of this manipulation that the industry changed the certification to the amount actually sold. All four records collectively sold about the same as one good KISS record - a total of 1.5 million copies. This meant 2.5 million were returned. This was significant because it led to Casablanca going heavily into debt, which was covered up through a sell to Polygram Records who did not know the returns existed because they were hidden on the books. The solo albums were a complete flop which spelled the beginning of the end for both Casablanca and KISS' meteoric rise during those days.
Well said Rick ! Poor Bill Aucoin obviously said anything 'at that time' to keep the m o ney rolling in no matter what. Cut to n ext year ... May 1979 - Bill Aucoin " . . . the 4 X Solo albums were a disaster.. . . . . . the albums sold about the same as a 'normal' KISS album, that is. . . just over a million units sold . . . " Aug u st 1979 Bill Aucoin - " ...even though DYNASTY was a hit . . . AND . . . an unexpected overseas hit it was way, way, WAY too late for Casablanca. . . ". Aucoin said that the Solo Albums were such a financial disaster that even the surprise domestic and overseas of the mega-million selling Dynasty album, it was :much too late" for Neil Bogart and Casablanca . . ."
Blue Nun caused a lot of trouble on the tube, way back when. According to Steve Jones (guitarist for the Sex Pistols) he downed about two bottles of the stuff before dropping several f-bombs on Bill Grundy’s talk show.
The solo record sales figures that Aucoin give here are a fairy tale. The solo records each sold approximately 500,000 copies each. Ace’s sold 600,000.
Bill was an addict, yes. And his addiction got the best of him towards the end. However, that doesn’t take away from his enormous talent and natural ability as a manger. Plainly spoken; no Bill Aucoin-no Kiss
Gene and Paul wanted Peter out of the band, screw trying to treat him like a human being and get rehabilitation for the guy and don’t tell me they gave him a second chance they never gave him a second chance it’s all about what benefits gene and paul. Gene and Paul wanted to get rid of Bill. It’s always gene and paul fucking everything up and blaming and belittling other people especially Paul.
Absolutely untrue. They gave Ace and Peter opportunities to get help. They both refused. You can't continue to blame Paul and Gene for Ace and Peter's issues.
It's Not really gene and paul, ITS PAUL , hes a really neurotic fucked up person, malignant narcissist sociopath he tries to present a great facade but hes fucking crazy hes been under a psychiatrist care his whole life gene just tries to humour him everything bad that happened o ace and peter was PURELY DUE TO PAULS manipulations ever wonder why they would hire two guys for the band that obviously aren't super brite? HE HIRED ACE AND PETER BECAUSE HE WANTED GUYS HE COULD MANIPULATE they where hired BECAUSE THEY WHERE STUPID
roman14032 that’s funny but you got a lot of truth going on lol. Another thing I can’t stand about Paul is when he replaced Ace and Peter he would never hire Rock stars truly awesome charismatic gifted musicians he would always go for the musician who really needed a better gig a hired gun never making them a partner but always a hired hand so he could control them.
Sure funny how Peter refused to do dynasty unless they used his solo album producer, so they used him, and Peter didnt play on the album anyway hahahaha
right the story I heard was his own producer thought he was hard to work with, and wanted somebody different to play drums . I love PCs style but I understand Bob Ezrin actually looped Peter's drum beats to get them to sound more consistent on Destroyer. Back then these producers like Ezrin would have everyone do a zillion takes of everything . today they make a scratch track and use the scratch track with Virtually Simulated Technology to get any sound they want, or just drop and paste the loop in digital
There is only a handful of KISS songs I can actually say I enjoy, but it's the backstage stuff that I enjoy more. They have a history. I actually don't like Gene or Paul from their public personas, for various reasons. One of those reasons is their reaction to Aces performance during the Snyder interview. He was the saving grace for a band whose interviews are generally bland AF. Gene is one of the most boring interviewees ever. All about the "BRAND" instead of a band. He's a fake, always has been.
*IF DRUMMERS CANT READ MUSIC, SELF TAUGHT AS THEY SAY. HOW DOES A BAND CHANGE DRUMMERS? HOW DOES A NEW GUY KNOW WHAT TO PLAY? ALSO GOES FOR ALL INSTRUMENTS*
those outfits were crap the designer lost there minds was the big downfall ever and the music saved them trust me when i say i would have totally went with better ideas man if ace never lost that space look paul cmon your outfit reminds me of the movie fire and ice with will farrell
Why couldn't KISS use a famous drummer?? Why would he need to be Unknown , Hes gonna dye his hair black, Wear makeup & a costume, and have his name changed even … don't see why the drummer needed to be unknown.
@@TheBrianp1 To be in KISS most people would be a scrub,no problem. It was however THE pennacle of success. They could go back to being a mediocre band trying to get successful, or be anonymous & be filthy rich
Anonymity....The world still did not know what Kiss looked like without their makeup...Having an “Unknown” drummer would keep that mystique. Also, an unknown “Hired Gun”, would cost the group less money......
So you don't think it would be stupid if Cozy Powell had joined Kiss , put on a costume and makeup and started to call himself 'The Owl' or something ?
He was very talented when HE felt like it ! His solo album.? A decent songwrighter.! And his guitar playing is got a style all his own. So he's not Eddie VH. Ace has his own and millions agree.! How does your statement hold up to that.? You go now.!!
@@raymorrow170 how does it stand up? Exactly like this… It’s crazy how Ace, who never really was very talented to begin with, is even worse now. Look at that… Nothing changed
kiss made a lot of errors and did not learned from them, first the movie, second the 4 albums solo, The elder was a flop, and taking the makeup off. And now since they dont compose and only used Peter and Ace symbols, they find a way to bitch one another. Paul and Gene are really into money, dont get me wrong, money is fun, but not when you are a slave and have no moral or originality
James Bumbalough he made it popular again cause it was shitty before, also you have Whats on your mind, Speeding back to my baby, fractured mirror, and rip it out that are very good songs. Anyway, in commercial music, the one with the hit wins....and he has plenty of talent to push the envelope higher
When it comes to the Tom Snider incident... The ONLY thing making it odd and uncomfortable was Gene's attitude and presence.
Mommys little man. Toy boy genie
Correct. Two mudsticks sulking while everyone else is having a great time. That interview is a PERFECT encapsulation of the dynamic between Ace and the two sulking mudsticks.
Yeah. I never got that. You'd think that he'd be ecstatic that the interview went as well as it did, because it was good publicity for the band and good publicity for the band = more money for Gene.
@Abe Froman oh yOure sure about that.? You know that byond a reasonable doubt right?
@Coogan You must be fun at parties...
The Tom Snyder interview with so hysterically funny I could watch over and over. And have
The remote boat and shrimp story at the restaurant is even funnier when you read Peter Criss' biography. Ace actually got in the water and acted out Godzilla and was tossing every customers boat around....then they all got kicked out.
Peter had stated in his book that “Ace had entered the Forget It Zone” and exclaimed “Pete, I’m freaking Godzilla!”.
“Gene always sounded like a schoolteacher to us.”
That’s because Gene WAS a schoolteacher once upon a time, wise guy!
Ace was funny in that interview! Very animated and interesting.
Obviously, you need a plumber.
"Couldn't be the cat because the cat was Peter Criss".
Singer being the cat would never had happened if Aucoin was still alive and involved with the band.
@@TomTobin67 Gene and Paul own the cat makeup. Aucoin would not have done anything to stop it.
They still shouldn't have used it, period!!! Only one Catman and that's the legend drummer himself Peter!!!
Excellent to hear stories from his perspective!
The Tom Snyder interview was hilarious... even Paul was laughing
It was. Ace was genuinely funny...although he was walking along the edge of a cliff with his level of drunkenness. His words really started to slur. I love watching it, but I can see why Gene and Paul were annoyed and embarrassed. Ace was so clearly super fucked up on national tv.
@@pts5217 Gene was pissed off because of his ego,Ace was getting more attention
@@pts5217 You saw when Gene tried to make a joke that bombed, and nobody laughed at tha. "about that swamp land you wanted to buy" Sheesh Gene can't you go along with what was happening?
I’m a plumber and trout player were my favorites
no Paul wasn't: he was trying to save face and take control of the interview by doing that while cringing
Dynasty is a FANTASTIC record. It is ABSOLUTELY a ROCK N ROLL record. I mean C'mon...Hard Times, Dirty Living!? Shit, even Sure Know Something rocks.
i think 'sure know something' is the most prolific of all of the kiss songs. it's a perfect blend of pop/r&b/hard rock and paul's vocals are soulful and strong, some of his best.
Love this. Best interview of KISS I’ve ever heard. That and Tom Snyder show.
I love how the excuse why the Dynasty album didn't sell was overexposure. It's never "We blew that one. KISS wasn't Donna Summer." A year later, "Back In Black" comes out. If they'd stayed the course they started with RnR Over and Love Gun things would've been ALOT different.
Fantastic screen name sir
One can only wonder... Ace wanted them to stay the course (especially after Dynasty), but with Peter out of the band he was continually outvoted by Gene & Paul on musical direction.
@@kranmaster - Exactly correct. Had they listened to Ace, KISS would have returned to putting out hard rocking albums and maybe Ace wouldn't have quit.
I agree 100%. I honestly believe Ace was burnt out and when you love playing hard rock and all of a sudden you are asked to sound more pop it had to have a effect. I actually like Dynasty but I was 10 at the time lol. Yes I know Ace had substance problems. He wasn’t happy and if some changes had been made? 1980 was the year for British Steel from Judas Priest,Back in Black AC/DC. If KISS had went in a heavier direction instead of the Unmasked and the Elder who knows. I would have loved to have heard Creatures of the Night with a focused Ace!
Dynasty is a great rock album. You're taking one or two songs and like a lot of people do, dismissing the album as a whole as a "disco rock" album. Outside of the two singles thee's plenty of straight up rock on that album (Magic Touch, Hard Times to name two)
I do think overexposure turned people off, there was a new KISS album in stores every 6 months from 1976 onward. There was toys and it just became "overkill"
Unmasked is where they should have re-focused on being an allout rock band instead of trying to explore the pop side of their sound more.
Bill Aucoin was a Priceless Manager !!!
Bill Aucoin knew how to control those guys. Beside he did make them famous, and was the perfect manager.
You can take that to the bank
Everyone has their unique version of Ace’s voice, but Bill Aucoin’s is especially accurate & amusing.
Awesome stuff!
This was GREAT! Thanks for posting!!!
I didn’t realize that Bill managed Billy Idol too! Of course KiSS just closed up shop like right now, Idol was a two album smash but disappointed after. Love Mony Mony. I had heard Poor Bill died, so I looked and it was 2010.
Rip Bill :(
Bill was a visionary and a great manager. The solo albums were a bold and unique move, still love them to this day, and dynasty was a fantsstic album, as the concept itsself. Finances is an entirely different entity, and back then the economy was changjng. Taking judas priest as support group was a daring move, and good one too.
Imagine if they toured japan back then, australia, south America...
Great channel. Im excited to watch everything.
Sounds like Gene and Paul wanted to run a business and Peter and Ace wanted to be in a rock and roll band.
Ace and Peter wanted to be alcoholics and coke fiends. Explains why they are both once again on the verge of being bankrupt.
@@patrickthometz6365 Ace Frehley is worth several million dollars. He lives in a beautiful estate, travels the world for fun and plays gigs even though he doesn't have to. And he's got more credibility as a musician than either Simmons or Stanley. Cretin
@@abelincoln5698 under four hundred k net worth now.
@@patrickthometz6365 Are you his accountant, or did you look on one of those bullshit websites?
No, Peter and Ace have admitted to their faults, genius!!! Peter and Ace were sober even when the reunion tour happened and you can't have a reunion without the two legends and best members of the original lineup Peter and Ace!!! They auditioned 40 drummers and guitarists in 73 and look who won the jobs, and they are just as much originals as the other two delusional narcissistic assholes, they bailed them two idiots out, by being talented and amazing!!! Team Peter and Ace always
All the members are bashing each other.
Meanwhile Bill Aucoin is respectful, balanced and tells us things without turning them into personal insults👍🏻
Nashville Aug 14 th. 1979. I was there. 2nd concert ever. I was 8.
What was the first concert ever Phil? Mine was STYX Paradise Theater tour 1981 Los Angeles sports arena. I was 17
Agreed. Gene bores me to tears in interviews
Gene and Paul repeat the same script in every interview. New comprehensive documentary coming later this year on Netflix called “Kisstory”. Hopefully it will be fresh interviews but I doubt it.
As funny as Ace was during the "Tomorrow Show" interview, he also looked a little scary. He looked as if The Joker had joined KISS.
Yeah, he kind of looked like something was wrong with him that night. Simmons and Stanley were too bossy and controlling, but Ace was going overboard.
@Coogan Relax. Ace was and is refreshing! By the way, Ace is still playing! Doing a sold out show in Virginia, months out. I am trying to scalp a couple tickets to that show.
@Coogan Ace played great in 1996. KISS Acoustic show. When you make a lot of money, sometimes you lose the hunger. Live music with people actually playing instruments will always be fun. I hope some of the young punks of today realize the crap they like.
@Coogan Not one of those guys you mentioned could hold the jockstrap of Edward Van Halen. There’s at least fifteen players I have better than the best of your three.
@Coogan Anybody can play Hendrix. Van Halen used to turn his back so no one saw his finger tapping style. Van Halen was the innovator, so to me and most knowledgeable guitarists, he is the standard. Van Halen was also designing his own guitars by reworking his pickups to get his sound.
I really loved hearing this from the perspective of Bill Aucoin. He now seems like the forgotten link for the history of the group. I have read the book of Gene Simmons, Paul Stanley and Ace Frehley. I haven't read the book by Peter Criss but I intend to.
Long live the memory of Bill Aucoin.
xoxo The Clarences
"the most successfull group of solo albums in history"
thats not much of an accomplishment when it was never done before and never done again
he didn't frame that right. the fact that a band released solo albums from each member and all sold over 1 million copies was quite an achievement regardless of the fact that no other group has done it or even tried. most bands wouldn't take that kind of financial risk and most bands were not popular enough to even consider it.
Bill repeated himself early on about the Solo albums ad mistakenly saying Over a million sold, and explained it, then started explaining it again from the start ha
Hey all,
Can anyone tell me where this Bill Aucoin interview audio comes from? Is there more??? Thanks!
Great stuff.
I think I just found that laser curtain that didnt work for KISS. that idea was used a year later in 1980 in the Village People movie, Cant Stop the Music in the movie finale. Wouldnt surprise me since they were on the same label Casablanca.
That pic with peter playing an acoustic guitar is definitely a rare one
Interesting that the idea to reject The Elder entirely by the record company was a conversation.
Good salary for Erica was 250k a year. He got a raise before the release of crazy nights to 350k
Everyone should read “Kiss And Sell” by Chris Lendt. Best book on KISS ever written.
Yes I agree it was a very good book that told you how the financial aspects of the Kiss business ran. Peter and him remain very good friends to this day
It's been awhile.
Either "kiss and sell" or "black diamond" was a tough UNinteresting read.
It was the business end written by someone who clearly was not a writer
A huge number of the shows on the Dynasty tour had to be cancelled cuz of poor ticket sales. They lost an ass load of money. Glickman Marks their business managers told the band to fire Aucoin for hitting the bed with the tours concept.
And to think Gene wanted an amusement park/carnival apparatus called “Kiss World” to travel with them on the tour, how ridiculous would that have been?
I remember by the early 80's the 8-track tapes were .50 cents in woolworths as they were discontinued as a format. And vinyl had cuts across the tops of the covers as they weren't selling either-at that time the Cassettes sold better.
Man, id LOVE to have one of those 4 album pack of the solo lps! Ive never even seen one
LOL @ 22:50 - Option 'C' = Eric Carr is The Chicken. So many great photos of them...@ 29:17 - looks like Kiss first met Elton John in 1975, since they're clearly sporting the 'Dressed To Kill'/ 'Alive!' era outfits.
"couldn't be the cat, because Peter was the cat" too bad KISS didn't stick with that
you always have great content. interesting interviews rare photos and little talking sometimes just when needed. you kick '3sides of the cunt' lame ass.
Thank you for watching!
*WOW THEY SAY THEY GAVE ERIC CARR A "PORSCHE" IT WAS JUST A 924. THE CHEAPEST PORSCHE, WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A VOLKSWAGON.*
Yeah. I was thinking that, as well. It was a nice gesture. However, they could have at least given him a Porsche 911.
That statement about the solo records actually selling platinum is completely false. KISS received platinum certification for each record back in the day when that distinction was given for how many SHIPPED, not SOLD. It was because of this manipulation that the industry changed the certification to the amount actually sold. All four records collectively sold about the same as one good KISS record - a total of 1.5 million copies. This meant 2.5 million were returned. This was significant because it led to Casablanca going heavily into debt, which was covered up through a sell to Polygram Records who did not know the returns existed because they were hidden on the books. The solo albums were a complete flop which spelled the beginning of the end for both Casablanca and KISS' meteoric rise during those days.
Well said Rick !
Poor Bill Aucoin obviously said anything 'at that time' to keep the m o ney rolling in no matter what.
Cut to n ext year ...
May 1979 - Bill Aucoin
" . . . the 4 X Solo albums were a disaster.. . .
. . . the albums sold about the same as a 'normal' KISS album, that is. . . just over a million units sold . . . "
Aug u st 1979
Bill Aucoin - " ...even though DYNASTY was a hit . . . AND . . . an unexpected overseas hit it was way, way, WAY too late for Casablanca. . . ".
Aucoin said that the Solo Albums were such a financial disaster that even the surprise
domestic and overseas of the mega-million selling Dynasty album, it was :much too late"
for Neil Bogart and Casablanca . . ."
Ace's record was not a flop and ended up selling over a million copies.
@@kranmaster - Not true. Gene's album sold the most. Since it didn't sell well with the fans, Gene bought every unsold copy.
@@kranmaster true NY Groove charted, and The Ace Frehley solo album went gold the year it was released
question if they split the band 4 ways did the members who did not write a lot get royalties on music but not publishing?
Ace and Peter said backstage at the Tom Snyder show, that they got bombed on bottles of Blue Nun wine.
Blue Nun caused a lot of trouble on the tube, way back when. According to Steve Jones (guitarist for the Sex Pistols) he downed about two bottles of the stuff before dropping several f-bombs on Bill Grundy’s talk show.
24:20 Chris Lendt described this incident in his book KISS AND SELL.
Bill fue el mejor!!!
RIP Bill
Has anyone quoted Spinal Tap yet? ‘Shipped gold, returned platinum’
The solo record sales figures that Aucoin give here are a fairy tale. The solo records each sold approximately 500,000 copies each. Ace’s sold 600,000.
Is this audio taken from an audiobook or something? I’d love to hear more (if it exists)
God us Aussies are the best 🙋🇦🇺👏🏻😀
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3:00 fuck not! everyone in casablanca said Paul was the driving force in kiss. the Cher era Gene was into movies and lost interest in the band.
The Cher era Gene was during the 70's,at their height of popularity, the movie era Gene was during the 80's
Eric should’ve been known as The Hare(double entendre)
I loved Bill , Frehleyizhere27..
They all pretty much said Bill was huge into cocaine, his way of doing business was becoming more bizarre and he ripped them off a few times.
Bill also sold some of Aces Les Paul's out of there storage locker
Bill was an addict, yes. And his addiction got the best of him towards the end. However, that doesn’t take away from his enormous talent and natural ability as a manger. Plainly spoken; no Bill Aucoin-no Kiss
He meant that they couldn't have an established drummer because they didn't want to come off that money
Ace's LP sold the best out of the four.
28:44 in no way it could sink unless you've eaten lead for dinner
You have too much fat in your diet. It should sink.
Except the ones that sink to the bottom of the toilet.
Have you never taken a shit?
If yours all float, you'd better see a doctor!!! WTF???
Gene and Paul wanted Peter out of the band, screw trying to treat him like a human being and get rehabilitation for the guy and don’t tell me they gave him a second chance they never gave him a second chance it’s all about what benefits gene and paul. Gene and Paul wanted to get rid of Bill. It’s always gene and paul fucking everything up and blaming and belittling other people especially Paul.
Absolutely untrue. They gave Ace and Peter opportunities to get help. They both refused. You can't continue to blame Paul and Gene for Ace and Peter's issues.
It's Not really gene and paul, ITS PAUL , hes a really neurotic fucked up person,
malignant narcissist sociopath
he tries to present a great facade but hes fucking crazy
hes been under a psychiatrist care his whole life
gene just tries to humour him
everything bad that happened o ace and peter was PURELY DUE TO PAULS manipulations
ever wonder why they would hire two guys for the band that obviously aren't super brite?
HE HIRED ACE AND PETER BECAUSE HE WANTED GUYS HE COULD MANIPULATE
they where hired BECAUSE THEY WHERE STUPID
roman14032 that’s funny but you got a lot of truth going on lol. Another thing I can’t stand about Paul is when he replaced Ace and Peter he would never hire Rock stars truly awesome charismatic gifted musicians he would always go for the musician who really needed a better gig a hired gun never making them a partner but always a hired hand so he could control them.
roman14032 Paul always wants the spotlight on himself never wanting or allowing anyone else to show him up. Selfish and crazy.
roman14032 He’s a malignant narcissist sociopath!!!! He’s Crazy!!!! That’s the perfect analyses 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Where is the part one ?
Im not so sure they actually sold a million each? Bit of mayo thrown on that one by Bill.
What is this from???
Love the way Bill said "lookit." Very folksy.
Sure funny how Peter refused to do dynasty unless they used his solo album producer, so they used him, and Peter didnt play on the album anyway hahahaha
right the story I heard was his own producer thought he was hard to work with, and wanted somebody different to play drums .
I love PCs style but I understand Bob Ezrin actually looped Peter's drum beats to get them to sound more consistent on Destroyer.
Back then these producers like Ezrin would have everyone do a zillion takes of everything .
today they make a scratch track and use the scratch track with Virtually Simulated Technology to get any sound they want, or just drop and paste the loop in digital
The Elder was a funding Joke !!!!!
" Actually, I'm a Plumber "
I bet..!!🤣🤣🤣
There is only a handful of KISS songs I can actually say I enjoy, but it's the backstage stuff that I enjoy more. They have a history. I actually don't like Gene or Paul from their public personas, for various reasons. One of those reasons is their reaction to Aces performance during the Snyder interview. He was the saving grace for a band whose interviews are generally bland AF. Gene is one of the most boring interviewees ever. All about the "BRAND" instead of a band. He's a fake, always has been.
They never wrote Beth !
*IF DRUMMERS CANT READ MUSIC, SELF TAUGHT AS THEY SAY. HOW DOES A BAND CHANGE DRUMMERS? HOW DOES A NEW GUY KNOW WHAT TO PLAY? ALSO GOES FOR ALL INSTRUMENTS*
Evee heard of learning by ear?
those outfits were crap the designer lost there minds was the big downfall ever and the music saved them trust me when i say i would have totally went with better ideas man if ace never lost that space look paul cmon your outfit reminds me of the movie fire and ice with will farrell
Why couldn't KISS use a famous drummer?? Why would he need to be Unknown , Hes gonna dye his hair black, Wear makeup & a costume, and have his name changed even … don't see why the drummer needed to be unknown.
It would get out, a known drummer would need to be paid as such and would be less prone to put up with being a scrub.
@@TheBrianp1 To be in KISS most people would be a scrub,no problem. It was however THE pennacle of success. They could go back to being a mediocre band trying to get successful, or be anonymous & be filthy rich
Anonymity....The world still did not know what Kiss looked like without their makeup...Having an “Unknown” drummer would keep that mystique. Also, an unknown “Hired Gun”, would cost the group less money......
@@Tanker61 ANY drummer would be an Unknown drummer once theyre in Costume & Makeup & are givin a different name.
So you don't think it would be stupid if Cozy Powell had joined Kiss , put on a costume and makeup and started to call himself 'The Owl' or something ?
It’s crazy how Ace, who never really was very talented to begin with, is even worse now.
He was very talented when HE felt like it
! His solo album.? A decent songwrighter.! And his guitar playing is got a style all his own. So he's not Eddie VH. Ace has his own and millions agree.! How does your statement hold up to that.? You go now.!!
@@raymorrow170 how does it stand up? Exactly like this… It’s crazy how Ace, who never really was very talented to begin with, is even worse now.
Look at that… Nothing changed
Gene the silent one???? Somehow I don't believe that.
Peter emotional? What a wuss!!!
Ream never had to dress like clowns !!!!
There no crazy Kiss stories. Gene and Paul were vanilla tea totalers. Any crazy stories had to do with Ace on his own. Peter was a crybaby.
Nice show, shame about youtube feeling the need to think we are interested in ads for fucking honey.
The solo albums.
Paul : a really GREAT KISS album
Gene: Meh
Ace: Kick ass guitar album
Peter: HAHAHAHAHA
Pure hot garbage
kiss made a lot of errors and did not learned from them, first the movie, second the 4 albums solo, The elder was a flop, and taking the makeup off.
And now since they dont compose and only used Peter and Ace symbols, they find a way to bitch one another.
Paul and Gene are really into money, dont get me wrong, money is fun, but not when you are a slave and have no moral or originality
hate to tell you, the band was dieing, they took the makeup off
it gave them a new lease on life do your research
@@connorwilson8696 100% correct
Aces solo album sold better than any other solo albums because the very popular song new York groove.
James Bumbalough he made it popular again cause it was shitty before, also you have Whats on your mind, Speeding back to my baby, fractured mirror, and rip it out that are very good songs.
Anyway, in commercial music, the one with the hit wins....and he has plenty of talent to push the envelope higher
@@connorwilson8696 hate to tell you, kiss were shit since 1979....and it went down from there....do you research
The solo albums were awful. Only one decent song emerged from Ace’s album. Dynasty was a train wreck.
Do not base your life on the rock band KISS.
Says the deadhead 🥴
Gene and Paul really ruined the band KISS
*DYNASTY STAGE WAS NOTHING. WHATS HE TALKING ABOUT 16 SEMIS. AND COMPLICATED STAGE. THAT WAS 1979. ALL CONCERT STAGES WERE BASIC THEN*
i always wondered what they paid Eric Carr...?
Bill is great. People give him shit for having sex with an underage fan and a photographer but I say if they all liked it then it's not our business
My god that was sooooo boring