RTX 4080 Killer? Radeon RX 7900 XTX Review & Benchmarks
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Video Index:
0:00 - Welcome back to Hardware Unboxed
06:25 - Test System Specs
06:46 - Watch Dogs: Legion
07:27 - The Calisto Protocol
08:00 - Forza Horizon 5
08:42 - Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Extraction
09:16 - Far Cry 6
09:47 - Assassin's Creed Valhalla
10:34 - Hunt: Showdown
11:04 - The Outer Worlds
11:35 - Call of Duty: Modern Warfare II [MP]
12:31 - Hitman 3
12:57 - Horizon Zero Dawn
13:29 - F1 22 [DX12]
14:26 - Cyberpunk 2077
15:04 - Dying Light 2 Stay Human
15:42 - Halo Infinite
16:30 - Shadow of the Tomb Raider [DX12]
16:53 - 16 Game Average (1440p)
17:29 - 16 Game Average (4K)
17:54 - 16 Game Average (1080p using 5800X3D)
18:17 - Ray Tracing + DLSS (F1 22)
19:12 - Ray Tracing + DLSS (Watch Dogs: Legion)
19:52 - Ray Tracing + DLSS (Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy)
20:18 - Ray Tracing + DLSS (Dying Light 2 Stay Human)
21:15 - Ray Tracing + DLSS (Cyberpunk 2077)
21:54 - Power Consumption (Dying Light 2 Stay Human @ 4K)
22:17 - Power Consumption (Doom @ 4K)
22:31 - Power Consumption (Hitman 3 @ 4K)
22:42 - Power Consumption [Locked 90 fps]
23:00 - Cost Per Frame (4K MSRP)
23:30 - Cost Per Frame (4K Newegg)
24:36 - Cooling
25:18 - Final Thoughts
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RTX 4080 Killer? Radeon RX 7900 XTX Review & Benchmarks
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I remember buying my GTX 1060 in 2016 for about EUR 220, whilst thinking to myself that it is insane to pay around EUR 500-600 for a high-end graphics cards at that time. Oh my... times have changed...
I bought a 1080 Ti at the time and it was about 1000€ where I live.
@@reisshep You obviously paid too much for it. MSRP was 800€
@@rawdez_got the 4090. Price on that is not too bad for the great performance. It’s only $1600. That’s like half a month’s salary for most people in this country
@@G1lgamesj different countries and currencies bro, 4090 is 2750€ here
It's funny because that is what the 4060 is probably going to cost, haha!
The fact that the market can "tolerate" any high-end gpu above $600 is disappointing, period. Thanks again for an honest review--no need to make people feel better about driver issues; it is what it is. As the saying goes, "under-promise, over-deliver".
Edit: That's not something I see from either manufacturer right now.
Its the same process as with smartphones. Now 1499$ is ok even if doesnt have a power charger.
If you consider the amount of things aside from gaming they are used for the market has bound to be head past 600. Very much agree though but the lower end card are always getting better.
(will clarify 600 is way too low but the fact the mark up on giant cooler models and lack of base models at the high end blows)
Used market in argentina is throwing you 3090's at $500 and 6900xt's at $450. Is that not high end enough for you?
@@lambcasualexperience7585 This may sursprise you but some people don’t game with their cards.
Link?
Been using my 7900XTX for a few months now. The only issue I really have is the high idle power usage with multiple monitors, otherwise I love it.
Was the issue fixed by the latest AMD drivers?
@hanialadham4336 As far as I remember, the standby power consumption was fixed only for monitors with VRR, i.e. with free sync
@@hanialadham4336 Still idling ~100-110w as of 10/26/2023 with two monitors
Same :( I have a 7900xtx and 7800x3d. A 32 inch 1440p 165hz monitor as my main and 2 27 inch 60hz monitors as my side monitors. I'm always at 100+ watts at idle. It's the only complaint I have with the card honestly.
I went with the 7900xtx upgrading from a 1080ti and I couldn't be happier. Running all modern games at 4k max settings with FSR on max quality and stable 144 fps. I actually haven't had any driver issues or system instability either. 7900xtx is a solid 10/10 for me.
@@patrickzelenoy3872 i7 10700k OC'd to 5.1ghz
Putting mine together this week and I cant WAIT! I to also am upgrading from a 1070ti. Did so DD and asked around and from what i've gotten, the 7900XTX is really good. I'm pairing it with a i5-13600k 3.5 ghz
GPU release dates are always fun for us viewers, it's like a final exam day for tech youtubers
It's like the groundhog day, always the same shit.
@@0Turbox at least since Turing.
Are the games cpu limited when testing ray tracing?
such fax tho
@@0Turbox No doubt. Nvidia is the way to go.
Exactly what I expected, I also expect the drivers to improve performance in the next couple of weeks/months. If the 7900xtx can stick close to MSRP it’s a winner in my book. The 4080 price is nowhere near MSRP over here.
I also think this with rdna2 they improved performance by 20% over a year or so I think and they frequently push out new drivers like every month
Yep, just what I expected. Anyone calling this card a disappointment set their expectations way too high and believes every marketing slide they see. I'm going to upgrade to this, because I don't want to do a platform upgrade to AM5 or 13th gen Intel just to utilize RTX 40 GPUs over 70%.
I don't want GeForce because their latest drivers have been a mess for me. I don't want GeForce because RTX 40 requires Ryzen 7000 or Intel 13th gen to not be CPU limited, unlike Radeon. I don't want GeForce because I hate Nvidia's dodgy business practices. So, every way to sunday this card is a winner.
Lol stop that "4080 is not MSRP" crap, if you want MSRP then order directly from Nvidia, there are tons stock there cuz it's not like the 4080 can sell
it's already 40+% cheaper in Europe, 1100 euro vs 1800 for Nvidia
@@lhv2k There's this thing called the earth, where different continents and countries exist and in many of them you can't simply "order directly from Nvidia" because they mostly only serve NA with founders editions.
It might be copium, but I don’t think this is that bad.
If the 7950XTX competes with the 4080, but not the 4090, I’ll still probably buy it. I can’t justify the $1600+ price tags we’re still seeing for the 4000 series Nvidia, and Nvidia has been a bad actor in the market since 2020.
The card is smaller, uses less power, and isn’t suffering a 50-80% upmark, while still loosely competing with the 4080, and sometimes give the 4090 a run for its money. Not the absolute best card, but it seems that if you’re looking for top end GPU it might be the best value.
Sadly, the 7950XTX was shelved. :(
It doesn’t use less power
Have had the 7900xtx for over a month now and it's amazing. Unless someone needs the extra performance Nvidia offers, which most people don't and I don't either, then it's just a matter of price and I'm definitely not spending $1500+ Nvidia GPUs.
idk what people were expecting, something better than a 4090 for half the price? obviously it's gonna be worse, if it was better, then they could have priced it harder. people's expectations were not just unfair but outright stupid. getting 3/4 of the performance of a 4090 for 1000 bucks less is a GREAT deal, don't undersell a good value gpu just because you couldn't have realistic expectations
i was saying this to myself while watching the video. its not a great gpu, but for price to performance right now you cant find anything better
Yea I don't know why this guy simps for Nvidia so hard, but my God no other video I've watched had more Nvidia simping in it
The Joke is. The 4090 is not even much better in the First Place.
Without Raytracing the Performance actually levels out alot and the 4090 only maintains a Small Lead. Heck in some cases, even tough they are admittedly rare, the RX7900XTX even manages a Draw or even a Win over the 4090.
Its only with Raytracing that the 4090 actually gets a Significant Lead over the 7900xtx.
And as AMD Promised. The RX7900XTX does Perform Equal or Beats the RTX4080 which is still 200 Dollars more Expensive.
So frankly the RX7900XTX has Performed Admirably.
@@Gilder-von-Schattenkreuz Cope, 4090 is 25-40 percent faster on average than the xtx even in raster its equal to a generational leap, just see Daniel Qwen's review. The xtx is 2/3 the price of the 4090 so theres that.
@@dhaumya23gango75 Someone Defending a Friggin 2000 Dollar GPU telling others to Cope is the Best Joke I heard in a while. Just what do You need to Compensate with that Overpriced Trash ?
Not to mention that Math doesnt seem to be Your Strong Suite either.
Because what You Say is far from the Truth.
First off the RTX4090 currently tends to Cost 1640 to 2040 Euros depending on Variant. While the RX7900XTX Cost 870 to 1230 Euros depending on Variant.
Thats not 2/3 lol thats closer to 1/2 for the Standard Cards but lets be Generous and say its about 6/10 as thats about what the Difference between two of the better Variants.
Also Games and Benchmarks tend to Show a different Picture.
The RTX 4090 without Raytracing tends to have a 10-20% Lead over the RX7900XTX in AMD Supported Titles and 15-25% in NVIDIA Supported Titles.
Its only which Raytracing that we go into the 25-40% Range You point out.
And even then its mostly only in the Performance Score not in actual Performance.
You Sure You are not one trying to Cope with the Fact that You bought an Overpriced Piece of Trash that isnt worth the Money at all ?
Thank you for the detailed benchmark Steve we appreciate your hard work
It's weird how crazy pricing is now. It just feels like there's not that "mid tier" card anymore. Not many years ago you could spend ~$300 and get solid performance from a GPU, now to achieve the same level of performance you have to spend more like $500 for a last gen mid tier GPU from two years ago. And looking at the new price points and performance increases, this generation's "mid tier" isn't going to improve the situation.
Somehow in the 30 series hierarchy of nine cards including the Ti versions, the 3060 being the second from the bottom is "mid tier" to several people. That's surprising.
Realistically a 3060ti 3070 and 3080 are all amazing cards at lower price points. Can't really get 30 series right now aside from the 3060 3060ti snd 3070.
I'm wondering if RT killed the mid-tier and below. RT is pretty useless in that class of card, yet we still pay for it in terms of $ and lost opportunity.
Now 2k is the 1080p, for 250 $ you should get 1440p ultra 60 fps.
It's also important to consider we've got 3 different resolutions people are targeting for performance. I think people looking for "the absolute best" are always looking forward at things like 4k but until only recently 4k displays cost more than a "mid priced" gpu. Value still exists its just down at 1080p. 120fps 1440p is probably the "best" target for people trying to get something reasonable right now but I agree getting good overhead at that fps for the next few years might take a beefier card.
Does it matter if it's old but still has the features you need?
I feel like even with the caveats, the fact that no one has said "games crashed" or huge 1% low drops, even with the first MCD GPU is pretty crazy. Also, they will probably drop that price pretty quickly would be my guess
1500 EUR over here for the 7900 XT !
LTT arrived to a similar conclusion, at the driver level it's already good, and AMD has a tracking record of massive improvements over time.
@@gabriellakotainegabor1902 1400 usd for xtx here, i decided to just get the 4090 for 500 usd more
$1200 usd here in Mexico. I’m seriously considering this.
For my budget, the 7900XTX will be my next card. AMD usually has crappy drivers in the beginning and sorts them out as time goes on, so hopefully this is the case here.
The RX 6000 drivers have been rock-solid for my RX 6800 XT.
@@AvroBellow same but while ill defend AMD drivers because i have the 6900xt 6700xt and 6650xt and all work great no issues with drivers it does depend on the game !!
had the same argument with another person the other day that the game he liked and played kept having huge issues with the AMD product !!
They usually do. The drivers are always a problem at launch with AMD. I remember rdna2 had all kinds of VR issues at launch, but they were sorted out after a few months. I bought a rx 6800 (because i couldnt find a 3080) 4 months after launch and they were already fixed.
@@AvroBellow I had a lot of issues with the optional installs, but the required driver updates have always been pretty solid.
6000 series had great drivers at launch, however it became shit after 22.5.1
The length of the conclusion demonstrates how difficult it is for a quality channel like Hardware Unboxed to sum up this card. The 7900 XTX seems to be in a difficult position where the price doesn't really justify the performance, but the price/performance is _much_ better than the card it's designed to compete against. Thanks, Steve.
Price/Performance is better only counting Raw Performance. If you include RT, DLSS and Media Engines, I doubt it would win
@@juanalvarez8090 I agree. If all your points are important to you than it's worth it to spending the extra money. Most people who need a GPU to make a living will have to go Nvidia. AMD just doesn't have the support for it yet. Until then AMD really needs to undercut Nvidia heavily on price.
@@juanalvarez8090 A lot of us don't care about any of those things.
@@juanalvarez8090 That's the thing i don't like about Hardware Unboxed, they always cherrypick and ignore that stuff about NVIDIA cards, it makes them very biased for AMD.
@@juanalvarez8090 DLSS is only going to get worse. Frame generation that _increases_ latency and pads the frame numbers with fake frames is bordering on scam.
Thanks for also showing the RTX 3000 series in the benchmark results so we have something to compare with. (Unlike what other hardware channels didn't do,.. Jay & Linus, you know who I am talking about)
Imagine watching Jay's videos
@@Rem_NL Jay's graphics reviews kinda suck, but he's really entertaining and fun. Linus's graphics card reviews are just hot garbage, and they've been that for several years.
Gamers Nexus even compared the XTX to a RX580 (a 400+% improvement)
@@Rem_NL Jay has some issues, you are right, I am not a psychologist, but I think there are some, you know, whatever, I stopped watching him after the debacle where he told people to go buy GPUs as quick as possible and that they wont get cheaoer etc.
@@darkaisoLinus is a (clickbait) entertainment channel. Not something you’d ever watch for info, just fun
I feel like every release of AMD gpus have improved in performance quite a bit in about 6 months, every gpu has aged very well. In both peroformance and more importantly, value, i will be looking forward to this generation very closely.
Driver optimization I guess.
It should great at launch
@@rohithmekala2608 the problem is AMD must work with a way smaller sample size in terms of data compared to NVIDIA which means it will be harder and take longer for them to get everything out of there gpu´s or even fix bugs.
rip nvidia . miss you already evga. here i come amd
@@BensCoffeeRants Also don't ignore the benefit of the game studios themselves likely using nvidia cards - there's a fair bit of 'natural' optimization due to that, as if they happen to hit a really slow path they'll probably change it before anyone else even sees the code.
That MW2 result is absolutely insane. I wonder if any other new upcoming modern AAA games will get similar results
I think something is wrong with the MW2 results here. I just watched the LTT review and his MW2 results had the 4090 beating the XTX by the expected 20~ % at 4k. I dunno what could cause such a large disparity here.
@@possibilityspace this sounds like you're coping so hard because you own a 4090 or something and dont want AMD to beat you.
I do agree something is off with MW2, a 4080 shouldn't have the same fps as a 6950.
The RX 7900 XTX doesn't get 310fps @ 1440p.
It's clearly a mistake or something that went wrong with the settings. Just take a look at other benchmarks out there.
The RTX 4090 can get close to 300fps with ultra settings and dlss @ ultra performance .. But that looks terrible.
@@danielurban4221 A couple other reviewers I watch got the same AMD win in MW2 as well, weirdly. I wonder what’s going on. Check Optimum Tech for example.
Thanks Steve, let's see what the price is like in 6 months, the rx6950 started at £1600 in the UK , now it's £800, I expect the same will happen with the 7900 series, also let's revisit the benchmarks in 6 months, after 6 months of driver tweaking,
Far too pragmatic an approach. The comment section only wants hysteria. :)
Waiting game never ends. Might as well wait couple generations more
@@shrimperlincs3395 yeah the sensible thing by ur logic would be for people to wait 6 months to see the review so they can buy the gpu now. time travel everyone!
@@Dark.Syndicate Never buy bleeding edge/new release products. Your paying a premium.
@@RCmaniac667 Waitchads always win, member that.
Well, I do believe we can put another 10% performance on that card since it is mostly running at 2.2GHz core clock and it will be able to hold 2.4 or 2.5GHz with some OC/UV! Can't wait to get mine and test that!
Im looking forward to your content and as always gvg mall xD
From 350W stock to 300W or less with OC/UV. Increasing performance and lowing consume.
True. We need an unbiased review from someone who will push the cards to the max.
@@slim420MM Well unbiased means you also push Nvidia cards to the max and one guy did review on Reddit he posted and said Nvidia 4080 had bigger performance jump in OC
@@slim420MM How is this biased? You absolute tosser
I usually agree with your points, this "overhyped and under-delivered" crap is ridiculously wrong! The fact AMD got this close to the 4090 and is STILL cheaper than the 4080 (yet has more memory, faster rasterization) is remarkable. I love my XFX Speedster Merc 310 7900XTX black edition and it was a good upgrade from my former XFX 6900XT, which was already pretty good. The only thing AMD is disappointing on is productivity,. for example I cannot use Nvidia Iray in DAZ 3D studio, and must either use a third party hack or rely on my 13900K for iray, which is really slow. No CUDA cores.
It’s slower than the 4080, what do you mean “close to the 4090”?
@@B1u35ky idk 4090 is ~30% faster in raster and ~100% in rt.
My use case is VR gaming; as such the improvement in rasterization performance and 24GB of VRAM (DCS will use all of it) has a higher weighting. Another benefit is the size of the card relative to the 4000 series as well as the reliable power connector.
Don't make that assumption - the chiplet design could introduce a bottleneck here, go view actual VR performance reviews.
Don't forget gddr6 is not equal to gddr6x, and the cache is necessary to compensate - and may hit its own limitations
@@Tom--Ace Good point Tom, one that i had not considered. Lots of media saying the inconsistent game-performance is systemic to driver teething; however i am not completely convinced as some games are obviously sensitive to memory and cache architecture (hit misses, mcd chiplet induced impact, etc.). Going to take a wait and see approach before upgrading to nextgen.
I would also say that the 7900xtx size being only 2.5 slots is worth mentioning as well. I have a mini ITX setup myself and can not fit the 4080/4090 founders editions in my case without buying a whole new case which goes against my needs for a small form factor setup in my current living space. The 7900xtx though will fit right in with no issues.
I would also say that the 7900xtx has DisplayPort 2.1 while the more expensive 4080/4090 do not.
@@sammiller6631 in most cases that doesn’t matter although the display port is still a relevant pro
*reference card
@@sammiller6631 How useful is extra bandwidth to a GPU that doesn't even offer the performance to make use of that bandwidth outside of very light games or the windows desktop? 🤔
HW unboxed might think 4080 is better, sorry its a hideous chunk, 7000xfx worth it just for the form factor, agree price is to high and will be even worse price in europe which will hurt sales. I expect 6 months time they might be more compelling after price cuts.
Thanks for considering Hunt Showdown in your benchmarks! Great quality as ever!
See you in the Bayou
Early AMD drivers always have issues with optimisation, it would be interesting to see a revisit in 6-12 months once the cards are out in the wild and AMD have had a chance to sort out the drivers.
after Nvidia released refreshes and lowered the prices again removing any real reason to buy AMD if one of the handful of specific good applications for them applies to you
@@grrkaa8450 Nvidia only increased prices though. Even their more than 2 year old cards are still 10-20% above msrp.
There is no Nvidia card worth buying at the moment.
@@nipa5961 the 4090 is the only nvidia gpu worth buying since it is simply the best. If you wanna do 4K gaming forget about anything else tbh.
Oh and just forget about the 4080 7900 Xt and 7900xtx and get a 6800xt/6900xt or 3080 and buy a 1440p monitor
@@sentryion3106 The 4090 is above 2000€ though. A 7900XTX for 1200€ is much better value.
If I see a 6900XT on a sale for under 700€ I'll gladly take it.
@@sentryion3106 6900xt is amazing at 4k on oled 120 hz 4k tv, for single player games
I think they've done well tbh better than the 4080 at cheaper cost. I love the aggressive look of that cooler as well!!😎
Nvidia left the goalpost wide open and told the the goalkeeper to go for a coffee break, and AMD still missed the shot
Indeed, but Nvidia did that on purpose. Their priority is not to sell 4080s, their priority is to clear 30 series stock, hence the inflated price and anemic performance of the 4080, and because they didn't want to force AMD to sink pieces to protect 30 series sales a bit more. Once they clear stocks, Nvidia will launch a 4080t at a good price to disrupt the market.
@@javiejwell weren't you pretty far off 😂😭 they've only launched hot garbage since!
@@guccipucci69420 Yes, and now they are launching the 4080 Super, which is the type of card that I predicted. Pretty close to the 4090 but way cheaper.
@@javiej idk about that! They have no good way to price it with how they messed up the 4080
@@javiejclearly someone from the future
It’s exactly what I expected that’s actually pretty good considering amd launches in the past. In 3 months time with driver improvements and price cuts this will be a compelling option. I feel AMD did pretty well but pricing in General is crap this gen.
Not to mention its the same price as the 6950 XT
They have played with the names to raise the prices
7900XTX > 7800XT 750$
7900XT > 7800 650$
4080 16gb > 4070 600$
4080 12gb > 4060 TI 450$
+AMD Full chip cores is 15360c
7900XT not released yet
yeah driver need to be optimised. I guess rumors were correct that AMD had driver problems and thats why the release is so late in the year
Agree on the stability. That will likely be fixed, and I think we should give AMD a point for being a "normal" sized card too that anyone with a 600w Psu can install in most but the smalles cases. The Nvidia cards is a nogo in really any but the largest cases. I admit the performance do disapoint a bit, even for most games its still a decent upgrade from last gen, and we all knew they couldn't compete on RT performance, but it still have reasonable specs in some RT games. If Nvidia had made the 4080 at the same size as AMD and scaled the cooler down and set the release msrp at 1000, it may have been a solution for lot more users that will now buy an AMD XTX because they can't fit the 4080 in their normal sized cabinet. So question is if we are gonna see a 4080 Super with same specs scaled down to normal size ? It would be what could save Nvidia's sales.
@@mrdali67 absolutely not a lot of people are talking about size I wouldn’t be surprised if AIBs start making compact versions of the 3080 to try and save some cost on those massive coolers
That was a huge effort to compile all of the data and thanks very much. I have a question aside from all the chest beating of the manufacturers do you think the AMD offerings are closing the gap in terms of value, or performance or in any way at all. going back to the 400 series era to the present day.
Awesome video! This was very helpful. Love the Channel!❤
Would love to see a 6900xt with first day drivers vs 6900xt with latest drivers comparison. To see how the 7900xtx drivers will age.
I don't understand why state "underdelivered" when it's pretty competitive vs the 4080, even surpassing the 4090 in some benchmarks.
It only competed with the 4090 at 1440p though. Nobody is getting the 4090 for 1440P lol. You get the 4090 for 120+ fps 4k setups because you'll be CPU bound, as he often was, at 1440p on that gpu.
1.Because its not much better than 6950xt, amd said 50-75% faster, which is a big lie as shown here.
2. Last gen 6900/6950xt were able to compete with nvidia's top tier 3090/ti, this gen however, the 7900xtx cant compete with 4090 at all meaning that AMD for some reason "step down" from the fastest GPU race.
Well it wasn't 1.7x faster than the 6950XT, I think the hype was more by the enthusiast community.
@@PeterGriffinFN4 Didn't they mention 50% more efficient tho? Not faster?
I agree.. In my experience nvidia drivers only get a little better, while amd drivers increase power by a massive percentage over time. NVIDIA sets a goal ahead and stays there, while AMD tend to creep up over time and equal them.. besides that nvoida costs almost 2xc as much or A LITTLE more fps innn the start noiw.
Felt like the longest wait between release xP
Thanks for the review!
Great review Steve and thumbs up for test setup. I would like to see at least few 1080p results for competitive games :(
There's no point what you see at 1440 will be about same as 1080 cause of bottleneck and engine limitations
Glad AMDs raytracing performance is making progress / catching up. Probably still an upgrade for someone coming from an RTX 2080 or something like that, but behind the RTX4080 here for sure, but rasterization performance seems very good. Good to have some competition, hopefully they'll lower the prices to compete against each-other.
Yeah I have a 2080 and will probably buy this if I can actually get it at retail price. Still a little disappointed in the results, but I set a limit of not buying graphics cards over $1000 when I bought my 780 over a Titan.
Eh not really the raytracing performance is god awful still, very incremental over RDNA2 and clearly still not a priority for AMD. I would have thought they would have at least beaten Ampere in Cyberpunk RT, but we are not even there yet. Raster is very impressive in some games, but honestly it just seems this generation of cards are just not worth the ransom both red and green demand. Certainly making it easier for Intel to get Arc on it's feet over the coming years.
@@anasevi9456 totally agree, rhe consumers have been screwed big time for the last 2 years and are still getting screwed seriously and in purpose by the companies we've created.
Today all gamers don't have a cold but caught the flu trying ro purchase a GPU fairly.
Radeon 8000 or 9000 will be when A MD is within spitting distance of Nvidia for RT. By that time it will also actually be common in games. Right now it barely matters.
Most games don't support RT and unless you have a 4090 you won't be able to game at 144FPS with RT on, which is more important imo. I need buttersmooth gameplay not fancy lights that tank FPS. RT now is like running your games at x8 Anti-Aliasing back in 2004 where you'd squeeze out 60FPS with a 2x6800Ultra SLI setup lol.
@@anasevi9456 true.
Except Arc is awful. It'll take many years before Intel can compete with evdn an AMD flagship card.
Then again they might focus entirely on the value range, targeting the RTXxx60/70 and Radeon x600/x700 which is great for us cause that means Nvidia and AMD must lower prices.
A little faster than a 4080 for a good bit less money and a much smaller physical footprint is a decent showing, even if it's not quite what we hoped
acrually it's shit, a 4080 give you so MUCH better RT performance and if Nvidia lowers the price there will be NO reason at all to even consider AMD, RIP.
agreed, not sure why anyone is basing their opinion on the AMD hype slides lol
@@AdiiS Only if you actually cared about ray tracing
@@AdiiS And if my grandmother had wheels, she would have been a trolley.
@@DarrenKrusi If you're spending this much I'd say it's fair to expect good RT and most will.
I wasn't expecting more than we got. I figured +/- 5% against 4080, and well below 4080 in RT, so as expected as far as I'm concerned. There's a wealth of good value options at multiple price points.
Only if you consider peak Cryoto GPU prices, really now crypto is dead prices should be half what they are at.
@@rawdez_ There's a shit ton of good dvalue options and more to come. The 4000 series cards cost as much as they do for a reason
@@rawdez_ they coast alot to manufacture, you want them to bleed money for you own benefit
@@keslerjenkins9683 it then why is the 3090 and 4090 only a 100 dollar msrp difference but the 4080 and 3080 is a 500 dollar difference
@@yamsbeans Because it costs alot to develop and manufacture. simple busniss ate
Does the AM5 platform do the rebar stuff any better with the higher bandwidth DDR5? It would be interesting to see the difference between 5800X3D vs 7700X rebar/sar on vs off comparisons.
Does not
@@real13D how the fak u know? of course it will improve perfomance even further ... probably not much but especially when ddr5 gets more optimization in new games u could see a big impact, dont trust anyone with a russian name ... ivans = dumb
This video was very informative! 😍 It's so exciting to see the new advancements in graphics technology. Thanks for the great review! 👏
The 1% lows, 1080p and 1440p results are pretty shocking to me. I was expecting it to suffer due to the chiplet design but it appears to work just fine.
I'm assuming the 7000 series will get much better throughout the next year following driver updates and such. The 6000 series followed the same path when it came out.
The 6000 series came out with better drivers and by the time they are better may as well have just bought better GPUs next gen. The bigger issue im 99 percent sure the reason for the driver issues is the driver issues and the chiplet style dies. Watch when the RX 7800XT comes out using a monolithic die
@@Angel7black Boy there were no better gpus by the time the drivers got out. There were no gpus for 2 full years brother, don't talk out of your ass. LOL
@@Angel7black Why would they do that? Chiplet literally saves them money.
@@Angel7black when the next step up in gpu you speak about is the 4090 and $600 more money why would anyone buy the "better" gpu. the 4080 sure isnt the better gpu from what i can tell at $200 more. i will say i own a 6800xt and as my 1st amd card ive ever owned im very happy with how it performs and how well its aged so far. right now the 6800xt is priced roughly the same as a 3070ti and its much better. i have defiantly dealt with more bugs vs my rtx 2070 but none that are deal breakers
Yep. Will age like fine wine :)
I feel like drivers will put the card slightly above the RTX4080. $900 for the XTX and $700 for the XT (otherwise it just doesn't make sense, a $100 difference is nonsense), which should come close to the 4080 with some driver updates, would be excellent value and because of the RTX3000 series Nvidia really can't lower the price too much for their 4000 series. And AMD likely knows people will buy the $900 XT anyway in the beginning due to shortages.
7900XT definitely needs a price drop. It's probably still better value than a 4080 but makes no sense if you get 10-15% better performance for just $100 more at that point. Unless they can somehow be flashed to enable the 6th "locked" chiplet or something lol. I remember turning my $80 Phenom II X2 B555 into a 3.8Ghz Quad core CPU by flipping a switch in the BIOS. I miss those days.
I heard about a bug in the chip design of RX7000 limiting performance.. I expect a refresh to release within a year with 4090-level Raster performance, or same performance but lower power consumption. When 1KWH costs almost $1 it adds up. Kinda like the HD7000 and R9 200 series
Problem is the 7900 XT is a rubbish card and should be called a 7800 XT. It is gimped from the XTX as much as the old 12GB 4080 was from the16 GB 4080. XT should be at least 100 less. As 4070 Ti, as it will now be called, is getting another 100 knocked off (and it looks like the 4080 is getting a reduction of sorts too), pressure is being put back on AMD, what with product failures being RMA'd left, right & centre.
AMD 7900xtx did trade blows good enough for what they are charging. I'm sure that AMD updated drivers should help out when they get released along with FSR 3. I think AMD could get the fabric to hit 3ghz speed to make the GPU 3,000 ghz that they were aiming for. Maybe the next update will hit it.
For now, I'll wait for next gen Chiplet CPU's and GPU's. I know AMD has that for CPU'a but intel metorlake will be as well. No need for me to upgrade now since there are still working out DDR5 and new PSU's etc.
I know there are vendors selling three-8pin 7900xtx cards. Apparently the card has massive OC headroom.
It only trades blows until you turn on Dlss3 or want raytracing or both.
There was not even a mention of Dlss3 performance in this review and that's rather criminal given how good I can tell you that feature is, having played with it first hand.
And don't think it comes with massive artifacts or latency either - it doesn't. It just works it's magic and suddenly you're playing ms fs 2020 at 4k 150 fps.
Dlss3 is seriously underrated by reviewers
@@Tom--Ace They already did a review on DLSS 3 - it comes with at increased input lag which added to the latency despite running at higher frame rates.
I think they were right to not mention it in a test. It works more like a high FPS visual effects than to actually giving you a higher frame rate, I doubt you'll notice the different vs native rendering in a blind A/B test
@@e21big i can confirm dlss3 is really gud. It’s for non-comp games so if its not a major increase in latency, its fine. I have tested it n it works great. I think flickering of hud elements is the only issue. U can hardly see the artefacts. Very impressive tbh. Cant wait for the cyberpunk dlss3 patch
@@e21big I can definitely see the difference between 50 and 100 fps in spiderman worst case scenarios. Most people can.
Clicked faster than my teacher removing the exams from desks after the bell rang
Xd
Where is the 1.5-1.7x times performance over the previous generation!!? What lies!
The AMD fanatics were saying it'll challenge the 4090. It barely scrapes by against 4080 in raster. In RT, it's a blood bath. Lol. Rtx 4080 is surely overpriced but if nvidia lower it's price to rx 7900xtx, it's an easy win for nvidia.
@@jal.ajeera ok dude, now go to sleep please.
@@jal.ajeera lol, literally nobody said it would trade blows with a 4090
@@ronniekregar3482 Are you kidding me? Check out gamers meld channel! Daily a new video hyping up 7900xtx against 4090. And then there are others like him too! You might have not hyped it, but there are countless others who did it.
My expectation was that the 7900 series would be "4080" competitors ... because that's what the AMD guy said in the interview, and that's what made sense given the price.
This whole assertion in the review that people are going to be up in arms because the card isn't 50% faster than a 6950XT on day one is nonsense. People seriously looking at the 7900XTX are shopping it against the RTX4080. Superior performance for $200 less (RT aside) somehow isn't a win here!
@@paradroid888 There is no 'win' here. Both companies are taking the p*ss.
More than happy with my 7900xtx. I have not been impressed with ray tracing other than in Cyberpunk, so what's the point of paying more? DLSS is also not a need of mine since I game at 1440p ultrawide and this card absolutely crushes everything at this resolution. Perhaps when ray tracing gets better, I will go back to Nvidia cards, but for me there is no point in paying more for them right now.
Honestly these results aren't disappointing at all. Considering these cards are releasing at their previous gen MSRP and occasionally trading blows with NVIDIA while being much more affordable. 30% to 50% performance improvement is not bad. Yeah, no 70% but those are probably wild edge cases AMD cherry picked. Let's not forget NVDIA advertised high fps benchmarks using DLSS frame generation (total scam in my book).
Agreed. I was expecting 20% to 35% improvement over the 6900xt, so it was well within my personal expecting range. Is it worth the 1k? Hard to say. I would probably hold off buying the 7900xtx until AIB cards gets released alongside their reviews.
This is extremely disappointing. You can get a 6800 XT or even a 6900 XT for a lot cheaper. Its stagnation youre paying more for more performance and its only 35 percent faster than last gens MSRP. This also means the gap inprovement will apply to the lower level card too which will probably be more expensive also. This card was supposed to be faster than the 4080 a card that costs way too much, and is way too slow for what its asking. Its literally a tie, partner cards will be $1100-1200 and at that price people will skip it, like the 4080, and buy a 4090 instead. The only people who will buy this card are people who specifically have to have the fastest RADEON card. The caps is for emphasis on the Radeon. This card is for fanboys, wealthy fanboys which are rare, or fanboys who need to get their shit together financially. We also cant gloss over the driver problems in general. We sure as hell didnt with Intels clusterfuck of GPUs. This will sure as hell not help their market share issues and is disappointing after they finally got driver issues mostly together enough with 6000 series
At 999 USD or whatever they weren't marketing this to compete with the 4090 but the 4080, and if this card is a "disappointment" then the 4080 is a disaster and an outright scam. Still, these GPU prices are getting so absurd, now the "budget" card is like 500-600 bucks. There needs to be some horrible launches so AMD and Nvidia come to grips with reality again.
@@Angel7black Please stop for a moment and realise that for MAJORITY of players GPUs over 900 USD (so a lot more in EU) doesn't even exist! So yeah, it's like crying over new Porshe not being faster than new Bentley. Let's wait for RX 7700 & 7800 vs 4060 and 4070 as that might be where the truly important battle lies. Oh and please, don't compared these new Radeons to crap like Intel GPUs.....
@@Angel7black You are complaining about 35-70% faster for the same price? Compared to Nvidia's 40-60% faster for 60% more price? Are you high?
Thanks for the review. Been waiting for this!
A year later, let's see how this had aged. You can't currently buy a 4090 for less than $2K, but on "Black Saturday 2023" I bought a 7900XTX for under $900. At current prices, you can buy a 7900XTX _and_ a WQHD 240Hz OLED monitor for the price of a 4090. Further, an XTX costs just 3/4 the price of a 4080. You can buy a 7900XTX _and_ your choice of a 7700X, a 12700K, a 13600K, a 5900X, or a 5800X-3D for the price of a 4080. RT doesn't matter to me, so when i decided to splurge on a replacement for my dying 2080Ti, choosing the XTX over the two best Nvidia GPUs was major league no-brainer.
RT - oh it matters to you, you just can't afford it enough to matter. Don't kid yourself.
@@dubya85 No, it doesn't. Who are you to say otherwise?
@@rangersmith4652 I am your father
@@dubya85 Noooooooooo!!!
@@rangersmith4652:)
comment for the algorithm: In Germany, the 7900 xtx came in at 1221€ (sold out within 10 minutes) while the 4080 is at its cheapest at 1331€. 7900 is still better in €/Frames but that is a massive asking price nonetheless. Hope it drops next year.
I mean... it's a decent product for what it's competing against, and I think they may have room for price adjustments without losing the ability to be profitable. It didn't sound like Nvidia had as much wiggle room in that regard
Its a shit product for being called a 7900. It would be a beast if it was called 7800 and cost 800 bucks. Alas, AMD is too far up their own ass and dont realize how low they need to go to beat nvidias brand recognition and suite of functions.
They still have a midrange and budget stack to fit into the rest of the range so I don’t feel like the reductions are going to be as large as people hope
Suppose it depends how they sell initially and the 6 month review
They're already priced where they should be with all that's going on in the world currently any cheaper wouldn't make sense for them
The performance seems very inconsistent. Seems like driver issues. Makes sense since it's a brand new type of gpu architecture. I would definitely wait a while before buying. Honestly this gpu generation is looking like a skip for me. Hoping for some better value in the mid range
That was my thoughts, its got such wild variance in performance that I feel like its a driver issue more than anything. Like if it was consistently around the 4080 but some higher and some lower games like with the 6000 series I wouldn't think much of it but the performance is all over the place with some games being a large amount ahead of the 4090 and some being almost at 6950xt level it just doesn't make much sense.
Form AMD probably, from Nvidia - mid range price to performance are long gone.
if this is amd's flagship... this generation is a pass too.
@@bobotmeister NVIDIA Troll :-)
@@bobotmeister
i think will we see 25%+ perform higher with new drivers in few months & 20% lower price due to low sales
original plan 7900 XTX should be 7800XT 700$
& 4080 16gb should be 4070 550$
Honestly for the price point this thing is a solid card, sadly it isn't going head to head with the 4090 like the previous gen did with the 3090, but for the price I'm not really mad about that. It dropped today and its for some odd reason 1k cheaper than the 4080 where I am(2000-2400 for 7900xtx and 2600-3400 for the 4080). So its a no brainer upgrade for my current 1080 at this price point. So much so i ordered the Asus TUF 7900xtx this morning.
For me, this is the perfect upgrade for my 1080ti at 1440p.
RT still isn't a huge sell for me as I'd expect comfortable 100+ fps to consistently use it.
Happy to pop a few hopiums with driver updates improving on performance in the future.
$200 less and a smaller form factor are a nice bonus too.
@Boofy Goofy I don't think so. I'm waiting for 4k monitors to come down in price and for GPUs to be able to run 4k high refresh easily.
I like to run single player games maxed out, so the XTX will do the job for the immediate future.
@TeeFord I got a 32 inch 4k monitor on black Friday 144htz for under 500 to run my 4080. Works great.
@@Matthew-rp3jf are you getting consistent 144fps in most games?
@Boofy Goofy considering the 4090 is 3.5k here in AUS and the 4080 is 2.5k, I'm happy to be spending less on the XTX.
As I said, I'm not buying for RT, I'm buying for raster and a decent upgrade for my 1080ti.
Yeah it's probably OP/UP depending on what I'm playing but I play mostly multilayer FPS.
Dumb/not dumb, it'll hold me over till a new build in a few years. I was originally looking to buy into the 30 series but prices were a joke so I waited.
@Boofy Goofy you're correct in assuming I have a 1440p, 144htz monitor.
Basically, I'm saying that I'm happy with the performance I'd be getting from current games as well as the headroom available for future titles.
Some of the titles that Steve benchmarked were barely over 144fps anyways. So what if there's juice left over.
Ok, I'll stuck with my Radeon 6800 for a while (especially with Euro) but thanks for the nice review as always! I would suggest just to add the resolution of 1440p also for games with RT. Many of us are using 27" 2k monitors and we would like to see performances with RT also for that games :)
I would to. Though if I was coming from a rx580, gtx1080ti, rtx2080, rtx2080 super, or rtx2080ti this is a great buy vs the rtx 4080.
Oh poor you and a measly 6800....
avoid single generation upgrade.
I was expecting a firm lead vs Nvidia in CPU bound senarios (you know, the hardware scheduler), but the results are all over the place. I think the drivers needs a little adjustment 🤔Been a relative new technology I'm not too surprised by the results. All in all is a good result by a Zen 1 moment 👍
I would say AND did amazing given this is a first gen technology for GPUs. Monolithic dies won't work in the future and AMD is way ahead of the game with MCM. The 790xtx is still a better buy than the 4080 and no doubt, they'll probably release another GPU to better battle the 4090.
@@GSP-76 Personally I think the 7900 XTX could reach, or at least narrow the gap with the 4090 in 6 to 8 month with driver optimizations, just like the 6900 XT managed to reach the 3090, and, if AMD manage to crank the clocks to 3 GHz I suspect we'll see very interesting things 👀
@@lucadominguez4659 Yeah I have no idea why the clocks are so low on the 7900xtx. I was expecting to see 2.5-2.7ghz clocks. I think AMD played it a bit too conservative..they should have cranked power up to utilize three 8 pin connectors too.. although even the 4090 doesn't really benefit from extra power, you could undervolt it to use 60% of it's power and it only loses like 8% performance. I think AMD should cut the XT price down by another $100 and hopefully they release a 7990 card...their drivers have been phenomenal. I have a custom loop with a 5950x and 6900xt and the experience has been amazing. Performance regularly got better and I rarely, if ever had driver issues. They have come a long way with drivers.
@@lucadominguez4659 the 6900xt was close to the 3090 to begin with on launch, and simply caught up with it over time; i think the 7900 xtx will get much better, but probably not 4090 levels of better, more like a future 4080 ti
The 5800X3D CPU limits every single card on this list from the 3080 and upwards at 1440p
I think a lot of credit needs to be given to AMD on the 7x series of cards. First time with the "chiplet" design and they are performing that well out of the box. And anyone that owns an AMD card since the 5k series knows that they only get better with each new driver update, my 5700xt I bought at launch is still chewing through the games I enjoy at 1440p without a hitch, and I give AMDs driver team a lot of the credit for that. Great video again guys, keep it up.
Yes
Exactly, I know it is critizable that AMD releases with drivers half-finished, but it is nevertheless a very observable trend by now that AMD products (IMO) are more powerful than their direct Nvidia counterparts. Notice how the 6950 XT is ahead of 3090 and almost trailing 3090 TI, far more expensive cards in 1440 P/4K. It's just how it is.
The ray-tracing thing is where AMD needs to improve, but it seems they are getting there. IMO looks like a viable product, also compared to 4080 (so yeah, i disagree with the reviewer) because in 6 months, the drivers for AMD will have improved, allowing the card to fill the untapped potential it most likely has (judging from years of history by now).
@@emilsohn1671 Gotta pay Nvidia the "driver fully compatible/finished by launch" tax.
That's a hefty premium but I guess it's still cool for someone who upgrades their graphics cards yearly
Yeah, you polled the audience. I took part in that poll and just like everyone else, I had absolutely no idea what to expect. I don't know why you think that the poll has any relevance to anything because it was like asking us to guess next week's Lotto-Max numbers or who was going to win between Brazil and Croatia.
Well i think it actually was just what i expected. I also expect more perf with maturing drivers the next months. I am looking for a card that can give me my 120fps for my LG C2 oled and this might be it since the 4080 is still too expensive. I do not use too much Ray tracing and the 4080 right now has a price i just cannot swallow. IF Nvidia puts the 4080 price down to match the 7900xtx though...ah well then it will still be team green i think. Fun fact... i have a RTX 3080 10GB non LHR that cost me 1150$ 3 months after release... here in Norway the same card LHR version is still 1000$...completely insane. 4090 from 2100...4080 minimum 1550.
Just what I expected. Anyone calling this card a disappointment set their expectations way too high and believes every marketing slide they see. I'm going to upgrade to this, because I don't want to do a platform upgrade to AM5 or 13th gen Intel just to utilize RTX 40 GPUs over 70%.
It's liked you read my mind. While I really enjoy watching movies and series on my C2, I'm itching to play 120fps on 4K. If Nvidia matches the price of the 4080 with the 7900XTX, AMD is in serious trouble. I'm definitely not holding my breath though, It's Ngreedia after all.
Same, got mine in Dec, 2020. 1200$ Evga FTW Ultra 3. Sad that they'll no longer be on team Green, but hope they can help AMD in that dept, never had a problem w/ their stuff, good CS. Here's to driver updates & AMD closing the gap like w/ Intel, (which for a decade strangled us w/ pricing & refusal to add more cores) so consumers win. God bless, cheers.
The fact that you would buy Nvidia if they lower their prices in response to AMD is part of the problem. You are literally feeding into their greed by telling them that it's okay for them to launch their cards at insane prices as long as they lower their prices to AMD's level once they launch because you'll stick to "team green". We're never going to see serious competition if everyone keeps thinking this way because any competition is just being used by "team" people to hope for lower prices.
McKendrick Yeah, but w/ a chip shortage & WW economic collapse, people should be thinking in the short term for things like this. If we weren't going to hell in a handbasket in the West, I agree. Ex, I've yet to buy an Intel product in a decade & if I have the ability to punish Intel in any way (I'm the tech person for my fam, elderly neighbors (caretaker), I do it. But they became competitive in that market. However I agree overall.
Great review Steve as always.
I know this isn’t something covered by HWU as it’s still considered a very niche market but, I’m looking forward to reviews from VR channels on the performance of the USB C video link port with the Quest 2, Pro and Pico 4.
I’m still using a 2080ti for that specific reason, as the USB C video link port is a lot better compatibly wise than motherboard USB C link or airlink, from what I’ve read in virtual reality discord servers.
At least get a 30 series card
@@jonsnow2555 30 series cards don't have USB-C display port. They're not really great if you're wanting to use them for the Quest 2's Link cable.
I don't personally have a need for the USB-C connection, but I am definitely impatient to know how the 7900 XTX compares to the RTX 4080 and RTX 4090 for VR.
@@DMan-ud6bt likewise. Hoping to see some reviews in that demographic soon.
not sure how to feel about it, the performance in a lot of games is a lot worse than I expected. and in a few games its great. I just wonder what the prices will be now.
Funny thing for me is that I'm excited to look at the 1440p charts... to determine that I'm excited for next gen's 8700 XT or 8800 XT to bring 7900 XTX-level performance and max out my 1440p 170Hz monitor lol
Personally, I'm excited for this launch. I'm not sure why some people were expecting this to go blow-for-blow with the RTX 4090. This is where I thought it'd be and I'm happy to hear that AMD's first MCM GPU not only manages to have good generational improvement over RDNA2, but has better competitive performance over the "equivalent" 40-series GPUs (including the recently rumored "4080 12GB turned into the 4070 Ti").
"I'm not sure why some people were expecting this to go blow-for-blow with the RTX 4090"
Because their previous flagship did exactly that and AMD claimed in their own slides 50-70% higher gen on gen performance which is in ballpark of 4090?
@@ThunderingRoar After driver support, yes, I suppose. When even AMD said that their target was not the 4090 but rather the 4080, that was a pretty clear "we aren't *that* high performance".
I think there was far more desire put towards AMD being an underdog that would put the hurt to big, big meanie NVIDIA that inflated expectations, regardless of what AMD themselves claimed.
Thanks at all information
Thank you for the hard work again guys !!🙏🙏🙏
The 1% lows are quite interesting - in some tests the 7900XTX matches or beats the Nvidia cards even if it trails quite a bit behind when looking at the average frame rate.
in the end that can be even more important for gaming experience tbh
Thats a 1 percent low, jts still on average getting less frames. Thats not that interesting and its only in some some tests
@@Angel7black 1% is very interesting. It determines how stuttery a game feels. 50fps avg with 1% lows at 40fps is much better than 100fps with 1% lows at 10fps
@@falcodarkzz Your example is VERY EXTREME though. In most cases it's actually not of very great importance once you have a VRR display (so long as it doesn't pingpong around every odd second cause that'll be a terrible product a la Intel Arc without Resizable Bar).
I for one want to have it perform great in Unreal 5 and R/T titles, and frame generation technology (DLSS 3). This review says 4080 or 4090 is for me. AMD still need to catch up big time.
I'm probably getting the 7900 XT tomorrow if I can snag one for sub 1000€. Going to be a nice upgrade from my 1080 TI, which lasted me over 5 1/2 years.
I miss my 1080ti. I begrudgingly replaced it with a 3070 when it blew up, but man it was a GOAT value for money card
still rocking the 1080ti as well , putting together a new build but still deciding on the gpu , it's either the 7900xtx or the 4080 . hoping nvidia will cut price in response to amd
You're buying the worst card of this gen so far????? The XT is a joke of a card, it makes the 4080s price look sane. If you have to upgrade, save up the extra $100 for the XTX, the XT is an appalling choice.
Great review as always, thanks.
appreciate every part of the review , outstanding and meticulous
Thanks for all your hard work everyone at Hardware Unboxed!
Thank you so much for showing a wider range of cards in your analysis. This really helped me as most reviews do not show my card even though it is still a high end 30 series card.
My Ryzen 5950X + Radeon 6900XT is still looking pretty good, and I definitely don't feel like I need an upgrade, can still play all games on ultra settings 3440x1440, except some heavy RT stuff that I don't mind not using at all.
I voted for 40% over the 6950 XT and I'm still a little let down. I hope the mid range cards will offer good value, in particular the 7700 XT.
yeah no lol. if you want good value get the 6800(XT)
I feel like the rasterization performance is so high on these ultra high end GPU's that testing it is basically pointless. All that really meaningfully differentiates GPU's these days is Raytracing performance and value added additions like encoders, decoders, and AI/ML hardware.
@@SirDragonClaw it's not pointless because nowadays there are 280/300 Hz monitors.
Sure, for us that still rock a 60/70 Hz monitor they're pointless.
@@rijjhb9467 pointless because of monitor synchronization
@@rijjhb9467 Nonsense. If I'm spending $1000 on a GPU today it better being pulling more than playable framerates at 4K on titles in 3 years from now. That's why this matters. Already I'm not going to sync at the 144hz my 4k monitor is capable of but we're getting closer to that with these products and if you want to scoff at 4k@144hz then I'd ask what kind of target you expect gamers to be going for in 3-4 years.
I'm still unimpressed. Even with this being the best deal, it's still a generation where our improvement came with an excessive price increase. Luckily games haven't really gotten all that more demanding and the only thing really pushing performance is higher frame rates at higher resolution.. I feel like we're hitting a plateau in graphical improvements where being a generation or two behind with every purchase will still offer a great experience.
i'm impressed, and will likely go woth it, but this is also partly because i'm doing a whole new system due to being 5 generations behind and i'm already in the market for expensive stuff due to that. My perspective is more easily impressed, and less sensative to the prices vs what i would have been if i had the previous gen.
I also didn't really expect AMD to deliver on that marketing 100%, but they did way better than i expected too.
technically it comes in $100 cheaper than the massively over priced last gen. Still too expensive though
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6950XT looking better and better now. Hopefully once these drop there will be some nice deals on used cards that are still in good shape. I am done paying $1k+ for GPUs. I could afford it, it's just not worth it given even a 6800XT can play 4k at acceptable framerates without RT.
Yeah. I think I'm just gonna get a 6950xt. I can tweak settings for optimal 4k anyway.
I'm actually playing at 4k with an rtx 3070 and with dlss/fsr you can play nice at this resolution, with some compromises of course, but obtaining a good quality experience at this resolution with the proper 144 Hz Freesync screen
FSR & lowering the graphics settings always works. There's a point at which spending extra for the eye candy no longer makes sense. Tomb Raider and BF5 still look gorgeous to this day and runs well even on ancient GTX980. Then there's the clown known as Plague Requiem that barely runs at 4K with 4090. I don't think Plague look 10x better than BF5. The trend is definitetly heading towards artificially harder to run because they are sponsored by GPU companies that's why you see massive NVidia or AMD logos on the loading screen. The good practices for game optimisation such as interlaced rendering has definitely gone down the toilet.
Hardly a disappointment. It's trading blows with a GPU that's significantly more expensive.
If RT isn't a priority for you, the 7900XTX is a solid card.
Great work as always!
interesting the variance espcially at 1440P , i didnt think the 7900XTX would win a single benchmark against the 4090. i think the value card going forward will be the best deal you can get on a 6800 thru the 3090 , so basically the 500 - 700 dollar mark...thats insane these card tiers used to be 280-350. Looks like amd would've done more if they could've got the clocks closer to reported design specs (3gz) overall in a perfect situation amd would go for marketshare and even lower prices. However we all know their sever parts and dedicated compute cards deliver the goods and make the money.
They're being more AIB friendly that's for sure (Not making the reference design too good), I bet a decent RX 7900 XTX with a bigger cooler and three 8 pin connectors can achieve 3 GHz without hassle.
I'm thinking the same thing. I need a new card for my 13600k build but atm these cards just don't seem to be worth it. I'll stick with my poor little RX580 until I can find a decent price on a 3080 or 6900xt.
@@_qwe_fk_1700 it's 2023....all those cards are a generation and a half old except a 3090ti and 6950xt. I can definitely get a 6600 for less than 300. At LAUNCH. I'd say yes the *600 tier of cards sit in that spot of 250-330 or so dollars. They're old now , I know it was hard to get them for 2 years but they aren't getting any younger. They aren't getting harder or more expensive to produce either. On top of that they have replacements. We can see from the benchmarks that the shiny new toys belong in those performance slots of the non xt 6800 and up to the 3090ti. They aren't double or triple the performance. They are the next gens performance. Therefore if I'm taking the old tech off your hands why would I pay new price for the old product that's been replaced?
When were the 80/90 series cards priced at $280-$350?
Thanks for the info! Building a new PC after 10 years and stuck trying to figure out what to wait for. Mainly single player gamer so I'd prefer better ray-tracing but not at the current 4080 pricing. Still unsure but this made it pretty clear on what to expect and the differences so thank you for that!
Still running a GTX 770, looks like have to wait another 6 months before pulling the trigger.
buy used 30xx
What game atm thats worth turning on rtx?
@@morpheus9137 I just looked. It's a HD 7850.
@@mrlk665 I'm looking at that option too. Eventually I'll just have to adjust my pricing expectation vs reality and live with the fact that I'll be paying more than I want for a good card.
I have been team green ever since I got my first PC, back in 2008. For most part of 2000s, NVIDIA has been great. However, after 1080 series, I couldnt justify the price for new GPU, from either side. Hence I stuck with my 1080. And the only upgrade I did was jumping to 1080ti. Never felt the need to upgrade since then. I will admit though, that at times I wanted to get the latest and greatest but sanity prevailed. Now, I am ready to get my next GPU. And it will be XTX. 1080Ti, you have served me well.
If you want to save money you would benefit from a 30 series or 60 series gpu, especially with how much the prices have dropped.
I'm jumping from my 1080ti to XTX today as well. If I can get one.
The 1080ti i was a beast!
Don't forget that getting a last gen high end RX6000 or RTX3000 series will still be a large upgrade over your card for a lot less money.
the 3070 or 3080 10G would be a much better value
Radeon and Ryzen is almost always better value for the gamer, intel you have to upgrade mob every generation lol. AMD you can have 3 generations at least.
GPU is also much much better value, in aus 7900xtx is 700$ cheaper than 4080, to get something faster.
I'm not sure if the 7900 XTX price/performance will be enough of an advantage over the 4080 for Nvidia buyers who probably won't mind spending an extra $200 to get better RT support and DLSS 3...
I mostly find RT a gimmick, even DLSS, yes it’s improved a lot, but I’d much rather settings maxxed out, and Radeon cards produce better textures in general, not only that, some games don’t even need ray tracing to produce similar effects, it’s just a waste of power, I’ve used RTX too so I’ve experienced it, turn it on, oh cool” then turn it off to get a better image.
@@thomasdevos2220 Agreed. In almost every game I've tried RT, the performance hit isn't worth the visual improvement. During gameplay I notice higher fps and smoother controls over RT effects
As someone who predominantly plays MW2, this is great news for me. Also I’m glad you used a 5800x 3D with 3200 ddr4 ram. Because that’s my setup. I think it’s what I’ll get to go up from my 5700XT. I’m excited for AIB reviews.
yes baby i don`t even know half of these games and certainly don't give a F about them...same for RT so...this is a must have GPU for me.
@@tamasorosz8435 Cheerleading for a company so bad haha
@@tamasorosz8435 RT is nice but not a priority. I did get CP2077 on sale along but realistically at 1440p i can get 60+fps on even a bit of RT on and this can deliver that. So good enough for that front at a cheaper price than the 4090, and I can fit it in my case, that was the other reason I want this over the hot LOVELACE GPUs.
If you sit on 1440p and not 4K. Why not just save money and get 6800XT. The 7900XT isn't really worth it's price tag at it's performance uplift.
And if all you do is play MW2, why spend a lot of money on the GPU? These high end ones matter for 4K and Ray tracing and best graphical settings.
@@loki76 yeah exactly, why anyone would get this gpu for 1440p is insane to me.
AMD needs to realize this: If they price their product relative to Nvidia, they need to deliver performance, features and stability just like Nvidia. If they fail in one of the mentioned areas, people are less likely to buy them and expect a bigger discount on pricing. And the 7900XTX seems to have some driver and compatibility issues, doesn't deilver on RT-performance and not even the promised 50 - 70% on rasterization performance. That card should cost at most 650 EUR to be compelling enough despite the mentioned shortcomings.
Just buy Nvdia.
@@jayvee8502 Sorry, I want to keep my kidneys.
I am not surprised about the numbers...they are more or less what I expected myself. With some driver updates they will also get a little more.
Just bought the reference model a couple of days ago and had a chance to test it in Cyberpunk 2077 so far, and at 1440p ultra settings (RT off, no FSR) I am getting 170-200fps, that's why I was looking for benchmarks to see what others are getting. Do you mind giving an opinion on your much lower fps for this particular game and settings?
Lies the 4090 gets like 150-160fps average at those settings (i have checked numerous trusted sources) so those frames with an xtx is not possible. Benchmark in an actual demanding area or just use the in game benchmark. They need not give their opinion on false claims.
You test stuffs fast and I watch your video fast Steve as always!
Seems like a much better buy then a 4080 and 4090 to me for that money. Smaller card as well and amd tends to get better with drivers and performance over time unlike nvidia.
None of them is a good buy! Second hand 6900xt of 3090 are way better cards to get!
I'd say a better buy too, it seems ridiculous for Hardware Unboxed to suggest a card running near the same performance in rasterisation should need to be around $400 cheaper than the Nvidia card. That's stupid logic as the pricing already helps in a market where the prices have gone stupid. For me I want a high performing card, I understand I would have to pay for that if I was to put the money down now (just how the market is) so I'd look for the best high end card at a certain budget. I don't see how the extra 20% cost on the Nvidia card is truly worth it when the ray tracing is not applicable to all games. The Nvidia card definitely has things going for it but it's priced so terribly that AMD should be the logical choice whereas hardware unboxed starts to sound out of touch with normal gamers and suggesting 20% more cost for little to no benefit except a few titles. That's okay if you have frivolous youtuber style money to spend but not really a fair assessment of value. I'd say Gamers Nexus review sounded more on the ball with this one as they edged it to AMD due to the insane pricing of the 4080.
@@yousigiltube yeah I’m not paying 1k for a gpu lol there aren’t any games even worth this price.
Thanks Steve for the hard work
all the comments saying it's still too expensive when it competes with a card that costs $200 more make me smh. Pauls Hardware review on it show it just under the 4090 and above the 4080 in everything except ray tracing on Cyberpunk. So it's in between two cards that cost $200 and $600 more than it, and people still say AMD should lower their price.
Hey Steve !
Great video, I really appreciate your hard work !
However, I think adding standard deviation values for avg fps and 1% lows would be really cool, even if that's only visually on the charts, it truly gives more depth to the 1% lows numbers especially and makes them more meaningful imo.
Similarly, but less importantly imo, 0.1% low numbers could be an interesting addition but I don't think it's nearly as important as standard deviation.
Anyway, still great content, keep it up!
Depends on the amount of runs he does though. If it's only 3 the standard deviation would have very little statistical significance. At about 10 and greater number of runs, I agree with you.
@@mako0815 actually no, that's the whole point of standard deviation: showing exactly how significant the results are, standard deviation does make sense.
@@chafarlefeu I totally agree that Steve should show confidence intervals of his data. But he needs to properly compute them with the t-distribution and not just show the raw estimator values for sigma.
@@mako0815 oh, alright then
I disagree with this being a disappointment, it's an upgrade in performance against the 6950 xt and a decrease in price, it matches 4080 at a lower price, dlss and fsr really aren't that different, rt is still gimmicky and any game where you truly care about fps you aren't going to use it, as the drivers mature I expect performance to continue increasing. Overall good to see a company bring solid improvements with a reduction in price.
Except this card isn't going up against the opposition flagship card, it's going up against the 80 variant. 3080 MSRP was $649 yet, one generation later, we're expected to pay $1,200 for the Nvidia version and $1,000 for AMDs. There is no value in either card gen on gen.
Steve just curious since i saw that the tests were all done on windows 11. They you by chance try on windows 10 to see if like on other cases windows 11 might be wonky and skew the results and impacting the gpu?
Thanks for the monumental effort, Steve. 13 GPU tested, Daaaaamn.
I'm satisfied! Thanks AMD!
ME TOO
35%-40% is what I expected for this generation. That's what we've seen occur now with the introduction of DLSS/FSR, specific conditions/upscaling tactics from both companies, for the most part. I also think some of the claims are involving future FSR 3 scenarios, plus the pairing with the Zen 4 CPU that Steve mentioned, which means more Smart Access Memory optimizations may come about as well. Driver updates should bump up performance in some of the titles displayed.
This card delivered at least what I expected from it. If the 4080 drops to $999 (It won't, maybe $1100 at best) then it would be more appealing to go with the 4080. The media engine should also get improved I'd imagine, since they are including the AV1 encoding just like Ada Lovelace. I personally could careless about RT performance, but it's nice to know that they are still making their Gen 2 gains scale with Nvidia's efforts by getting close or matching the 3090Ti out of the gate.
I prop up basically every comment dissing RT performance, no joke. I can't believe how people drool over this stuff, for like +10% eye candy and -50% at best worse FPS/fluidity... Except some particular showpieces, I turn RT off in EVERY game and can't see the difference after 5mins. If the game is GOOD (it's story and gameplay is engaging) there is no chance for player to notice difference whatsoever. There is difference. Just not truly enough. DLSS/FSR is much more impactfull.
Was expecting it to be around 4080 performance but weaker in RT. Still, I would only pay 900 to maybe 1000€ (incl. VAT) for a 4080 and the 7900XTX would need to be decently cheaper for it's lower RT performance as it is becoming more important with time. Thing is, I'm slowly losing interest in modern PC gaming, not having touched my big PC (for gaming) in many months.
I'm actually thinking about selling my 4K Monitor as these prices are horrible. Upgraded my system last in late 2020, planning to get a 3080 only for it to get sold for horrendous scalper prices and now Nvidia but also AMD are scalping us themselves...
I could afford these prices but I simply don't want to. My first PC in 1994 was cheaper (incl. inflation) than what the 4080 by itself costs now.
Almost every pc I have built for me or friends is cheaper than the 4080 and you can play any game, even the most demanding ones at low video settings on a 1080p monitor. Just because there are insanely high priced GPUs doesn't mean you have to buy them lol.
People used to be just happy playing on their CRT monitors with a low profile PC. Nowadays a lot of people is looking to be scammed for these insanely overpriced GPUs using 4k monitors that for most pc's makes a lot of games just unplayable.
People are just looking to be scammed everywhere, with low performance high priced consoles, useless overpriced GPUs and monitors that literally reduce your performance for paying more.
I wonder if driver improvements over the next few months will change the results pushing the 7900xtx beyond the 4080
Does the cope ever end with AMD? People say this literally every generation
AMD has stated early in press releases that the 7900xtx wasn't meant to compete against the 4090 card, but the 80's card.
Something to keep in mind in your review regarding comparisons. Felt like you guys at hardware unboxed, conveniently left that out it seems like.
I think there lying they messed up
HWU wants to remain on NVidia's good side to get free GPUs; trust the numbers but take their opinions with a dump truck of salt.
@@UltraJamZHD you think it was a rouse to have people believe that AMD couldnt out perform the 4090 with this GPU, so they cleverly marketed it as a 4080 competitor?
@@skewty I can understand that. I still believe that mentioning the 7900xtx was a competitor for Nvidia's 80's GPU wouldn't have put HWU on Nvidia's bad side. It would've just been a good thing to mention because other reviewing channels have mentioned that the 4090's is in a league of its own.
Does that make sense?
@@imthemetalguy1 they will release a 7950XTX then nvidia will drop the 4090 ti personally
Considering the 4080 still has much better RT performance and DLSS 3, the 200$ extra are justified. But if you don’t care for ray tracing at all, this is pretty solid
@Sai Nai
Learn to write first. I own multiple AMD and Nvidia cards. If you haven’t tried DLSS 3 yet, please, do not speak of it.
As good as those gpus look to me, there is no way that I would spend more than 600-700€, no matter if they were as good as gpus from the year 2030
Then you were never the targeted audience for this tier of GPU?
It would be silly not to if they were this good because you could use the card for a decade without any downsides.
@blade00959 Well, in many years I lived before the rtx era of gpus, I could buy whole high-end pc with best Gpu including monitor, windows, etc. For price of top end gpu these days.
@ Ye but the world has changed so the prices and technologies
@@marctech1996 That's just a stupid take. Mid range cards now are beating flagship (like the RTX 1080ti) from 5 years ago, especially in new features like RT and upscaling. And that was one of the best flagships ever. If you think you can buy a flagship now and have it "last" 10 years, you're just stupid. The weak generational gains from recent years means the flagships now probably won't last 5 years, a $500 cards then will probably outperform this. And this is probably going to be even more true considering Intel has entered the competition and in 5 years this duopoly in GPU will collapse and price fixing will finally be broken. Only suckers pay these extortionary prices hoping for "longevity".
As they say "there is no bad product, just bad prices" and today there is not a single good price. It used to be that if there was a 600 dollar card, 2 years down the line you could get a card for 200-250 that had the same performance. today, if there is a 1000 dollar card, in 2 years you can get a 800 dollar card with the same performance.
Amazing work as always
Sadly this isn't suprising. I knew the RT perf was going to be iffy compared to NVidia. I really really really wanted this to be much better. The raster perf is fine but 4080s in the UK are already getting haircuts so ehhhhhhh that brings the price closer. The huge RT diff and DLSS are worth a £150 and that's a 3rd party cooler. NVidia it is then.
The 4080 still won't have DisplayPort 2.1 at any price. XTX does.
@@sammiller6631 great a display frequency that at 4K the 7900 series is a bit useless for 🤦. Display Port 2.1 is great for high refresh 4K and 8K..... the 7900 series is what 120fps-160ish existing 144HZ 4K monitors are enough for what the card can actually do. At lower resolutions these GPUs are already CPU bound so CPUs are not capable of driving them hard enough 🤷.
I own a 'cheap' 144HZ 4K panel it still cost me over $700. A 240HZ 4K panel is nearly $1600 😂😂😂😂😂 and you're quibbling over $200.
By the time those monitors are affordable we'll be on RDNA6.
You'd have an argument for the 4090 and any rumoured 7990XT/X IF they can break the 3GHZ issues. But even then we're not there yet.