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Rolex Submariner vs GMT Master II - 116610 vs 116710 - Federico Talks Watches
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- Rolex Submariner vs GMT Master II - 116610 vs 116710 - Federico Talks Watches
In this episode of Federico Talks Watches I review the subtle difference between the Rolex Submariner and the GMT Master II. Things like movement, bracelet, bezel, GMT function and water resistance all come in to play. The submariner and GMT master also appreciate/depreciate differently. What is the better everyday watch?
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Keep in mind you can use the GMT's bezel as a minute timer too, just consider each printed number as five minutes.
I'd take the GMT Master II (though I prefer the 16710 to the newer one). The big reason for me is that, while the Sub is an excellent diver, there are so many very competent dive watches out there that I can find one that suits my needs for far less, while the GMT Master II with the home hour hand jump feature is a relatively unique watch that I'd struggle to find in any other brand.
I have the Batman and is a really versatile watch, sports as the Sub but with a touch of dress watch
akula1055
Agree. I own so many watches. Batman is by far May favorite. I'm being honest. It is so beautiful. Enjoy yours!!! :)
The Omega Planet ocean GMT has that feature too, the jumping hour hand. That plus the 60 Hours power reverse, 15.000 Gauss rating, METAS certification (on the new one), fully ceramic two-tone bezel, glide lock clasp...
The glidelock clasp should be standard on all of the steel Rolex in my opinion.
2 years ago I was looking for a video like this... I decided to buy the GMT when I held bought of them a the AD... I felt in love of that green GMT hand and that polished center links
Excellent Video
Would love to see a video regarding watches atmospherical pressure. And as always, a great video from you Federico!
Great video. Just bought the GMT BLNR...didn’t see this video until now but my goodness your reasoning is spot on for why I bought the GMT. 👍👍👍
I have the gmt master 2 batman love it much prefer it over the sub date but I would have a sub date as a second watch
Nice vid bud
hello Federico, you forgot to tell that the GMT is a little bit slimmer (yes, it goes better with a suit). best Andre
Got the GMT II black two months ago and I love it...
I always laugh when people cite the 300m resistance w/o context... 334m is the world record... Your watch will be fine in the shower.
Quite right, and also there is almost no non-drowning scenario in which any amateur diver would ever venture beyond 55m; this would be considered very extreme for any non-pro diver. I'd go so far as to say that no one who ever reads this comment has ever or will ever break their GMT watch by diving too deeply with it on (assuming it is reasonably maintained to factory specs).
Is the fact that they can build a watch with that resistance....
I went with the GMT Master II BLNR because 1) the bezel, it’s beautiful, 2) the GMT function, very useful, 3) the contrasting finish on the bracelet. I know some dont like the polished links, but I like the combo of both.
This was a tough one, but I ended up getting the sub no date. I love the symmetrical dial of the no date, and I felt that the polished center links of the gmt ii would attract scratches. Nice vid!
Sure if you look closely you're going to see hairline scratches on the polished center links, worse in parts. But under normal use, just looking at your wrist, these don't exactly jump out at you, you really have to be examining the watch close up.
Say you're driving on a cloudy day and look at your hand on the steering wheel, the polished center links do a great job of providing an extra dimension to the look of the watch. And clearly Rolex is a fan, choosing to put this on most of their high end or precious metal sport watches.
Bottom line, I don't find it to be an issue at all, and appreciate the extra and different reflective properties of the bracelet in a variety of light conditions.
Should have gotten a seadweller! haha
I am looking at a gmt rolex. which should I go for? I have tiny wrists so im looking at Explorer 2 40mm with white dial, or a gmt master 2 batman.
I have a rolex sub ceramic no date already. Time to get a date and a gmt function.
Great review. I prefer the GMT for comfort and function but both are surely icons.
watching our same review now, nice job as well.
I believe you could swap the clasp right?
This is a super hard decision to make. Personally, the font on the bezel of the GMT kind of ruins it. It's a bit odd looking, and it's so crowded. Sub>
Great vid Fed! I would argue that the value depends on whether you're talking about the BLNR GMT or the plain black GMT. The BLNR GMT is holding its value much more than the Sub. The Batman is very hard to find and seems to be more exclusive.
although i'm mainly buying because i love the watch itself rather than for an investment, glad to hear you say that! Just picked up my BLNR last week and its beautiful
Hey Federico, weren't you going to do an unboxing of a cool ( expensive ) watch you brought ? Have I missed it ? You mentioned it quite a while ago, great channel very informative, cheers.
Your delivery is becoming more and more enthusiastic, and confident, and your video quality is improving as a result. Keep up the good work.
I'm often timing things, so for me, the bezel on the Sub is more useful. If I want to know what time it is on the east coast, or in London I just do the simple mental arithmetic and add 3 or 8 hours, respectively.
I got the sub nd 114060 and Im getting the gmt master 2 LN quite similar look but you know it's different.
That's the beauty of Rolex each watch has it's own purpose Sub for diving GMT II for commercial pilots Explorer the name says it all and so forth
now in 2019 the GMT sells for close to double rrrp where as the sub sells for a few k's more than rrp. who would've known!
Thank you Federico,you have answered my question on which model i should go for.
I have a 16710 that is my go-to travel watch, and I use the gmt function every day. I prefer the pre-ceramic model due to the size - for me it fits a bit better under a dress shirt cuff. Love the videos, thank you!
My pleasure Jason. Glad you enjoy the channel!
You provided some very interesting information I have not seen on other channels. Good job. 👍
Federico, love the video - interesting discussion as always. Can you tell me a little bit about the painting just over your head?
Thanks!
Hi Fredrico great video, I also like the glide lock bracelet on the Submariner, would that bracelet fit on a gmt master 2, I think I would buy one to put it on for comfort fir sure.
Great video. I think you may have twisted my arm towards a GMT as a long term goal!
I know this video is a couple years old but from what I see nowadays the GMT are harder to find then subs although value is still very close. I would go GMT but can’t go wrong with either.
Love 'em both. Have had both. Currently own the GMT Master II (Batman). Very satisfied.
If you're a Rolex aficionado, then I think a Rolex diver is a must. I made a special effort to get a 14060M almost hot off the line, Parachrom Bleu and all, a few months before the 114060 was introduced at Basel.
When Rolex introduced the BLRO in WG only, I "settled" for a BLNR, sight unseen, and boy did I get the surprise of my life. The GMTII is a very versatile watch that I think most people would find more useful than a Sub, SD, or DSSD and not only that, but the BLNR bezel is just a sight to behold, changing as it does in varying light.
I also have a 114270 and a 116200-63600 because, well, Rolex people should have a DJ and the Explorer was my first and it was literally love at first sight and my heart still flutters when I put it on after having run through my watch rotation, which usually takes several months.
These are probably the only Rolex watches I'll ever own, as I'm well into my 7th decade and because they pretty much fill the bill and even though I love the new SS Daytona, it's too expensive for my tastes. I could have bought one with the money I spent on other Swiss watches just last year, but I didn't know it was coming and there's just something about spending five figures on one watch that makes me balk.
I should also mention that I discovered Tudor when my AD started selling them last year, so I now have the North Flag and the THC with the black dial. I don't need one, but the BB36 is really tugging at me and if it looks as good in person as it does in pictures, I'll fold in a heartbeat.
Nice videos, by the way, so I subscribed.
Great vid as always.
I'd love to hear your opinion on submariner 14060m vs sea dweller 16600.
GMT isn't as common and is more versatile - brilliant for travelling, 100m diver watch with trip lock crown. The easy link is enough unless you're a professional diver. By the way, in UK, GMT Master holds its value very well - they increase in price. I like the Sub...and when I buy one, I'll only wear it with a Pheonix Nato strap.
great comparison! I've chosen the GMT over the sub as well.
This is exactly the predicament that's been plaguing me for a while now - your video was very helpful. I too am gravitating towards the GMT and I totally dig the shiny middle clasp! :)
Couldn't agree more! I do prefer the matte finish though over polish centre links
I'll have to take your word as to the resale value of the sub over the gmt. I would think the gmt with the Batman, Pepsi, or the Coke would be the better resale. I'm going with the GMT for the aviation aspect.
Loved the video Federico. I would be stuck between GMT with the Batman bezel and a non date ceramic sub.
Tough choices my man...
Hi Federico,
If I would be a tool watch guy, I would also go with the GMT. Even so, the additional hand is a bit annoying. I would like to see more of these comparison videos.
Best regards,
Claus
Thanks Claus... Ill do another soon, promise!
Fed, excellent review on these two iconic pieces.
Well explained. If I was purchasing brand new, I would go for the 114060 (no date). Pre owned it would have to be the GMT master II. Cannot justify the Sub Date which is also too copied and faked. Even though the Blancpain FF was the original "diver" I believe.
I owned a sea dweller already so i went with gmt master II two tone black dial.
i was in the exact same point and picked the BLNR. No regrets. Great vid Federico
Great comparison video Federico. Love both but I think I'd opt for the Sub. Cheers:)
solid gold 116618LB is the way to go... polished center link and blue dial!
I agree a 100%. And I love the GMT Complication!
GMT is my favorite complication due to being the most practical after the date one and before power reserve IMHO. As I travel often tend using GMT hence always choosing watches supporting GMT/Word traveler functionality. SUB as much as it is iconic has less to offer. Higher water resistance does not have too much practical sense. So - GMT all the way!
You forget that GMT II does not have date easy setting which I hate so much.
In other hand brushed with polished bracelet look much better
I own a gmt master ii I was in bournmouth uk they sell preowned rolex watches had about 15 submariners not 1 gmt whys that please comment id like to know
+Ashley Hunt subs are more in demand. So they stock them more. But that's just a guess. I don't know your dealers particular situation...
I would love to see a review of your Eterna Federico!
great vid buddy, just bought a 114060 over the gmt, maybe I've had enough of flashy pieces now lol, more is less now, love my new piece.
federico ! get a box light or a ring light behind the camera! please, also i do believe that gmt is much better especially where that extra gmt hand has a nice colour. but i guess im so far off for me to get a rolex just yet. oh btw if i send you picks of my watches would you like to do a review? i really want a comment on my watches, ofcourse i love my watches my self, but i want to know what you guys think
GMT but depends on the model, I just purchased a BLNR and it is stunning.
Congrats! Enjoy it!
Agreed I own the bruiser and I love it
I think this is a fair comparison. If you do travel not only is the GMT function useful, but remember to change the timezone on a Sub, even if you are not bothered with tracking home time, you have to stop the movement, reset the time. Whereas the GMT keeps on ticking when you change the local time zone (the hour hand).
I used to have the original Planet Ocean and then the 8500 Planet Ocean, and Omega added that quick set hour hand on the latter, which was so handy.
While the Sub may have the slight edge in resale value, the BLNR is doing amazing in that department. Even the gray dealers are offering no discount on it right now, whereas the Sub and regular GMT gets a discount.
I might also argue that there are more Subs out there than GMT, so when you come to sell it you might be selling it against a bunch of other people selling the exact same watch.
As a constant traveller, the GMT function won out for me. If I never travelled, I'd go Sub probably.
Great review 😊👍
I considered buying both and went for the GMT LN first. Now that I own this I dont see a reason to get a submariner for anything other than for wearing it at the beach/wakeboarding/surfing and stuff like that, but I just cant get myself to wear an 8k watch as a sports watch like that because I know I'm an idiot and will damage it somehow. I decided to buy a cheap homage (steinhart ocean one), slap it on a rubber strap and use that as my toolwatch without having to worry about it the slightest bit. It's not a sub, but definitely suitable and it wears great imo.
Great Video and on a comparison I wanted to see.
Is the GMT also larger case size?
no
Amazing video Federico as always!
Great video I have the sub no date but thinking of getting the Pepsi GMT or the batman GMT can't pick which one 😩 haha
Tough choices my man...
Fed that is a quality vid & answers my question on my next investment. Thanks allot.
Excellent video as usual Fredrico. No wonder your channel is growing so quickly.
Cheers Joe!
In my opinion the Sub being the most popular and most sold Rolex watch becomes a bit of the standard goto Rolex. The GMT Master is more unique and fun with the Pepsi and Batman designs.
I agree with Stephen Murphy the GMT II BLNR is keeping its value far better than any of the modern Submariners.Even selling for a lot more the RRP.
Thanks Federico
Crazy how the GMT appreciated…. It’s a better investment now
I currently own both the sub and GMT , both non ceramic, my choice is the GMT, I am an office guy and I find it more fun and classier to wear. I love it so much, I just purchased a 1675 root beer - nipple dial with original all brown bezel. 👍👍 for the GMT!!!
GORGEOUS... LOVE THE ROOT BEER!
Federico I agree it's a tough choice, but Id take the rolex sub ceramic. But for now I'll keep enjoying my Seiko SKX 007/009 lol keep up the awesome job sir👍🇮🇹
Sub all the way in my book! Frederico please compare the Sub versus nthe Seadweller (very underrated I think)
That is a great idea... I'll put it on my to do list...
Nice video....thanks Federico!
I have to say though that for me at least thee exact rival of the Submariner is the Explorer II being both more on the toolish side of the scale and sharing an equal great heritage.
Take care my friend, cu on your next video :)
I'm taken with both the GMT and Submariner, particularly the popular, very pretty BLNR. A difficult choice but, for me, it has to be the GMT.
Some fantastic advice there , thank you.
The ceramic sub and gmt if you're buying used the gmt is a lot of bang for buck u can get a gmt for $6700 and the sub is $7200 (prices are range) but get what u like (but when for resell Fed is right sub u get better resell)
Love both watches, you can't go wrong with either. I own both ver. of subs - pre ceramic and ceramic and love them both equally. I think Submariner makes a better daily beater watch than the GMT Master because of the GMT function that you would actually really need only when you travel. So if you really have to pick one watch as your daily watch the Sub makes a better choice IMO. However, if you can afford them both then the GMT Master is a wonderful watch to have, a true beauty and a classic. Thank you for the video. How about a comparison between Omega SMP and a Submariner? A truly iconic battle of the dive watches.
U Don't have to travel to use the GMT function......and it can be used for timer as well
Omega speedmaster is easily the most iconic watch ever made
Can’t go wrong with either one. But I do like the Sub more because of the less busier look.
Fed,
Good video. Good information. I agree with something I've heard you say a couple times..."I'd rather have something unique than an expensive watch that everyone (in the price range) has. They are both great watches but, Rolex produces about one million pieces each year.
You are right, they are certainly not unique... But in my honest opinion, they make the best sports watches on the market...
Both are nice but Gmt over Sub any day!.
These are both great watches. It does REALLY irritate me that Rolex doesn't put the glide lock on all of their bracelets...especially with the prices they charge
With economies of scale and the fact that they use the same case how much money are Rolex saving by not having the GMT Master water resistant to 300m? To me it seems stupid that they don't. I would make the watches identical except of the movement, extra hand and bezel.
As for my choice, I am much more likely to time an event than to track a separate timezone. I do have family one hour different but if I can't figure that out in my head I shouldn't be allowed a mechanical watch. That said, I think both are too small for me and too expensive. I currently wear an Orient Ray II which is a bit on the small side for my 8-8.25 inch wrist. I wouldn't want to drop down 1.5mm unless I was also losing the rotating bezel.
Just bought my GMT BLNR after a while of dreaming about it and got to say it's worth it
i just don't like the cheap polished bracelet on the GMT, it scratches so easy, while i have a same "simular" bracelet from a cheap "homage" (i often go to bad area's) but the homage scratches way way less than the original rolex..
Great video Federico... Thanks for the good information... Cheers!
glad you enjoyed it man!
Awesome video,thank you very much.God bless you
Glad you liked it Marinko!
Flip a coin. I'll take the loser.
Enjoyed it, brotha!
Thanks man, glad you did....
Another good video, thank you.
Exactly what I thought of the two differences and yea.. it wud be perfect if the gmt got a glidelock clasp. Sub is too over hyped for nothing.
Make a video Rolex submariner vs cartier calibre de diver.
Two ver very different watches... The cartier is not a true dive watch
The GMT Master is a much more useful watch than the Sub. Effectively 3 time zones, bi-directional bezel, and thinner case (less weight). The GMT also wears more comfortably because it's not as thick as the Sub. Don't care about the polished centre links - I think they look ugly and would be a decision changer for me if I were to look to purchase a GMT. As for the Sub, the Glidelock system may be useful, but to I don't think many people would need to adjust the bracelet very often, you set it once and then forget about it, (unless you happen to gain (or lose) a lot of weight. I have been wearing the same watch for over 10 years, and I never once had to adjust the clasps to enlarge or reduce the bracelet.
Great video! GMT Master II is like an ultimate grail for me :O
glad you enjoyed it man!
GMT for sure, I'm an office guy who is constantly in contact with folks in Asia and I set my GMT hand to Japan time on my Squale. The only way I'd get the sub over the GMT is if it was the Bruce Banner one.
I own both watches. In my opinion the GMT is a superior watch.
Now that the GMT has the triplock crown they are pretty much the same watch, but the GMT has a way better movement with a super useful complication.
Thanks for the input Dalton...
the 116710. not as common & great bang for buck. can't time bbq as well however. if it only had the sub bracelet...heaven, as i'm not a shiny center link guy. i do have a DSSD and am just nutso over it's bracelet. you mentioned the pepsi. weren't you buying a replacement with the proceeds? don't you dare pay back taxes and a seiko instead!
Nice... I bought the Sub... Because of the 300mtrs which is I can't really use to that depth even though I'm a diver but it's cool to know my watch could do farther down... And the glide lock... No tools requires man!!!
I was in Vancouver Canada recently, and drove up to Whistler. On the way back I was standing at a look out point, and noticed the height to sea level was 320m. I thought to myself, WOW, that's a long way down. I could not imagine diving even 10% of that depth!
I suspect less than 1% of Submariner owners ever dive deeper than a GMT could go.
I do love the glidelock clasp though.
+ZCT808 hahaha I know! GMT is one of my first choice but on the of my purchase I decided to get the Sub and I have no regrets whatsoever... Nice vid though!!!
+Gerald Dy the day of my purchase I mean...
+Gerald Dy I don't think you can go wrong. I use the time zone feature several times a month. So had to lean that way. But if I didn't travel like I do the Sub would be awesome too.
+ZCT808 I'm a traveler too... But since I'm a certified diver i went to sub... Lol
GMT Master II for me.
Cant afford any Rolex watch so I stick ti Seiko (so much better looking !!!)
Good stuff!!!
Hello Federico ! Greetings from Romania
I currently own a AP Royal Oak Yellow Gold White Dial 39mm & an AP Royal Oak Offshore Rose Gold 42mm Rubberclad.I want to add an everyday sport watch but i want it to fit into my collection.My toughts are Platinum Daytona ( but i don t really like the brown on the dial ),116619 WG Submariner ( i think the blue is too blue),Submariner 116610 i love it but the brushed bracelet makes it too raw,GMT Batman (it looks kind of like a toy),and my favourite is Platinum Day Date 40 ( i really like this one but it isn t too sporty)
Overall I am considering a white coloured Rolex ( steel,wg,platinum ) to fit the collection.Preferably with a touch of baby blue.I would like to know what would you choose and what other ideas do you have. love your channel
Thank you in advance,
Andrei Orban