And almost certainly significantly elevated all the stress hormones (glucagon, cortisol, adrenaline), which signal an environment of scarcity, slow the metabolism and initiate a number of disease processes. Weight loss is important and awesome, but keep these things in mind ✌️
@@OMNIBUBB continued to lose another 36 pounds over the subsequent six months and kept it off for over two years. Resolved irritable bowel and hypertension. Didn’t experience whatever disease processes you reference. Best health of the last 25 years and no need to be concerned about some assumed hormone levels.
I lost 45 pounds doing weight watchers and switched to low carb and started gaining? Maybe the calorie restrictions caught up to me - I had maintained my weight 10 years but my hdl and triglycerides improved and ldl went through the roof 😮
Carnivore seemed to stop working for me. I am no doctor, I have no glucose monitor, I don't count calories. Keto did help at first, carnivore helped even more for a while, but lately I started feeling (I can't even describe how I was feeling) It was sort of like a burning sensation, feverish but not a fever, Low energy low motivation. I have now gone back to intermittent fasting and have added kimchi to my mostly carnivore diet. This seems to have solved my issues (at least so far). I feel much better now, I do not have the time and or money to do all these tests and things. I can't even get an appointment with a real doctor who isn't a pill pusher. I have a strong distrust of the established medical community. Hope this helps someone.
Keto helped me at first also but I did use a glucose monitor. You can buy them OTC for $30 at any drugstore. My A1c went down at first but then I had what is 'morning phenomenon' where my own body churned out sugar and I woke to very high glucose levels even when extremely low carb. I would suggest you use a meter when you wake and one and two hours after a meal, just so you can see what is happening.
Very low carbs worked wonders for me when I was obese and spiraling downward health-wise but over time with the lifestyle changes I made in association with my dietary changes I eventually lost more weight than I wanted to and just couldn't put on muscle. I added some carbs back -- mainly sprouted rice, sprouted grain bread and some potatoes -- and now with more workouts in addition to my active lifestyle I'm putting on muscle to my satisfaction at 61 years old.
Yahooo! Thanks for sharing your experience. I also found low carb to be very useful and still actually eat low carb probably 6 out of 7 days a week (low carb being under 100g). Have an awesome day!💪🏼
@@LillieKaneThank you, because you're the one who made me realize that carbs aren't necessarily bad but rather just need to be managed. You know, just like everything else in a responsibly disciplined life.
I am open to anything that is natural. I am mostly meat and fat focused as the results are excellent but I won’t shy away from fresh tomatoes or other in season veggies. I use my bodies feedback, the mirror and lab tests to guide my pathway. Anything natural is an option. I find it liberating actually.
We constantly hear contradictory advice from the same people online and this is becoming like that. No wonder people fail at dieting when the people they follow online change their advice.
I respect the people who are willing to admit that maybe they were wrong… it’s called integrity. ❤ Low carb didn’t work for me either. I had no energy, and yes, I tried all the tweaks.
@@PeaceIsYeshua maybe they were wrong. And what about everyone else that still advocates low carb or zero carbs? Dr Chaffee, Dr Berry, Dr Fung, Dr Bikman, all idiots with medical degrees and clinical experience.?
@@joellenlevitre2590 True. The idea of eating meat only was great because parents always said to eat in moderation. If I had not found Dr. Kevin Stock's 90 days beef only diet PDF, I may have never tried this way of eating. 4 years later and I know beef only was the best idea ever in terms of simplicity, economy, health, and supporting farms that care about animals, the plants they eat, and the Earth we share. The cows can digest the carbs (fiber and sugar) and my body doesn't need them at all. Body makes glucose (180g) and xylitol (15g) so there's no need to eat them.
Thank you so much for your preface monolog before the interview started. I actually did not watch this video precisely because I have been doing keto/ketovore/carnivore for about 10 months. I was diagnosed with T2D in September last year and I attacked it vigorously with an HFLC diet and I've lost 130 pounds and my A1C went from 11.3 to 5.3 and my health only continues to improve. In my journey I recognize that my diet is not one that everyone can do. As I got more carnivore, I found that the same "one-size-fits-all mentality that has kept people unhealthy for 50+ years was so orevelant that I almost couldn't my interact meaningfully with people online anymore. But I also know that many people flounder in a sea of information. I knew from the get-go that I was going to do and I immediately silenced the din coming from the interwebs. I was going to do this undistracted and if it worked, great. If it didn't THEN I would look into something else. The problem isn't the myriad voices so much as the indecision that comes with trying to listen to all the voices. I know the path I am on is working. Again thanks for the encouragement to commit to something that is demonstrably working for people and avoid distraction.
Fantastic Hba1c reduction.You're my hero! Reduced my carbs by eliminating grains, starches, and sugars, and limiting stone fruits. Still waiting for my next Hba1c test
I think that he's describing is the Randle Cycle. The cells are protecting themselves from damage by locking out the glucose because they already have enough energy. They're preventing themselves from glycation damage. So if you are going to eat carbs you better make sure you're not eating a bunch of fat with them. To me that is just not optimal. I would rather stick to an optimal low carb diet and fix the underlying derangements that are causing sleep issues or electrolyte issues, the hormone issues causing them to be stuck in glucosis. But I know this can be very challenging for everyone and sometimes it's easier just to add some carbs back in for relief. But it's going to be really difficult to avoid that glycation damage if you're eating carbs and also getting fat. Well it could help in the short-term I think long-term you will see worse results.
@@CoryHobbs2178 Hi, thank you! I did it for seven months. I didn’t do the zero carb lion version, but I was super low carb. I wish I had never done it, but at least it got me eating meat again (I had previously been plant based).
they already went thru this on their podcast, i think the explanation boils down to the fact that the randle cycle localized and heterogenous thru the body system.
Yeah, I shifted to a mostly carnivore situation mixed with fasting, and I’ve lost quite a bit of weight I always gain weight whenever I consume carbs. And honestly, I sleep like a baby whenever I don’t eat carbs and don’t when I do. I think Lillie and this guest are full of dark matter.
Tried to listen but wow is his message confusing, eat them but don’t eat them - which one is it? Many biological/physiological incorrect statements. I gave this a try, but came away not at all convinced that he knows what he’s talking about.
Carbs are not needed in a human diet. We make glucose (180g appx). We make xylitol (15g appx). We make a few others but they have not been studied very well. Fiber in carbs is not digested, only animals can digest it. Carbs destroy our teeth by feeding the bacteria and making them "sticky" - I'm serious - ask Dr. Ellie Phillips who will explain how xylitol works. HbA1c can be affected by cell age, so cells that live longer are glycated more simply because they are healthier, so it seems logical that a carnivore that is not giving blood will have a higher HbA1c. But there are no vitamins or minerals in carbs. Those come from proteins (amino acids) and fats (fatty acids). Best solution is to just eat beef. Only beef. And once you are fat adapted and comfortable, start to eat it raw. If you must cook, just roll the steak on the pan for 15-20 seconds and leave the center cold, raw, and bloody. You will use less energy and I'm sure there is no stress for a human that is eating to his fill. Beef only is a great way to be sure you get everything you need.
@@multitablez7825 Show me. As far as I can tell in the literature they didn't even know that fructose acted like alcohol in the liver until around 2014. That's only 10 years ago. My guess is that most people are not up to date on the facts. That's not a detox FOR the liver my friend, that's a detox of the materials BY the liver. If you have a claim counter, let's see it.
Exactly- just too much conflict coming out of one person. He’s clearly read a lot of stuff but he throws EVERYTHING in that same casserole and all I hear is blah blah blah. He pins everything on stress - we’ll spoiler alert mate EVERYTHING creates a stress on the system. Eating, not eating, exercising, not exercising, thinking not thinking 🤔
Read most of the comments and it's amazing the level of intense hostility that some people show towards those who don't feel that they thrive on that person's favorite diet. It's like a religion, you must follow what i follow or you'll go to hell.. It seems like many people have invested their identity into their chosen diet so that when someone doesn't praise their chosen diet they feel personally offended, like it's a threat to their very existence, which explains the intense hostility shown. After all, If i identified my existence with a certain way of doing things or a certain position or belief, then any disagreeing with this position immediately feels like a threat to my existence (because the identification made it so that this position equals me), and such a feeling of threat to my existence obviously leads to a very hostile response. It's totally like a religion..
Understand your point of view. I've suggested to UA-cam to make a kialo style interface for the comments so we can see better what's happening and categorize the comments. I think people that are trying carnivore are in pain and everybody (USA government, world health organization, French government, parents, family, doctors, etc.) suggests to eat plants. There are very few people that say "Try 90 days of beef only and see how it goes". So by the time people arrive here, they are already in pain from allergies, antibiotics, etc. They have tried so many plants or diets that their digestive systems are all over the place. Nothing is specific. However, when you find and try beef only, and it solves all your problems, and you realize that everybody pushing carbs is lying to you or else ignorant (like your parents), and you add to that your improved brain function, it's easy to shutdown everybody else. For example, now after just 4 years of beef only where I am now to a point where I eat all the meat raw, I realize the lies have no end. So, I shut down everybody that claims plants are a solution if you buy my book or join my course so I can show you how to do it right. I think that stuff is all fraudulent. Not only do the vegans not have the moral high ground, they don't even have the best interest of the Earth in place in their dogma. Putting my money into a local farm producing grass fed beef means that I give no support to industry for plants (supermarkets, cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, antibiotics, etc.) My money goes to the farmers that raise the animals on the natural grass land and plants. They are doing the work to protect the land for the animals and therefore they are the only ones that deserve my vote. I buy direct. I receive fresh. I have no waste except for the plastic sous-vide bags the beef arrives in and those get melted down and recycled. The bones go into my garden. It can perhaps feel like a religion because it's like a miracle. I was so depressed before. I had pain in my joints all the time. Making a fist was painful. Sitting at a desk was painful. My back and neck muscles were always stiff. I was trying different kinds of mice and keyboards to fix the carpel tunnel etc. I had rashes. I would be sneezing due to pollen in the air. Eyes itching, etc. Just month after month after money and then I started to forget things. Pin codes. Phone numbers. Meetings, etc. It was getting really super depressing and stressful. My knees were killing me after just 15 minutes of running. I had kidney stones. Itchy ears. Plaque on my teeth. Teeth that were cracking. Today, I don't even brush my teeth unless I need to show off. And when I do, they are perfectly white with perfect gums. It's amazing. And the more I think about it in terms of religion, the more I think you are right. The bible talks about not eating the fruit and people have all kinds of symbolic ideas about those stories from sex to real fruit. But we know that these bacteria in our bodies do control so much of what happens to us. It's no wonder that what we eat can have an impact. The bacteria that are good for a plant might not be bacteria that is good for a human. Humans do not need fiber/carbs in plants. They make their own glucose and sugars the body needs, so these are not essential in the diet. So if we want to feed a human body properly, we should consider what does it actually need. Those bacteria create everything we need. They are the real creators. So, if there is some idea of a "religion" in our body, it's probably important that we think about what is going in and what it will create while it is there. Beef only is a great way to start because it is the only diet today that is complete with one ingredient. Everything else requires more wisdom (tree of knowledge?) and the jury is out as to whether it will really make you die or not. Everything produced from plants is evil (cigarettes, alcohol, sugar addictions causing diabetes and cancer etc.) and producing plants requires us to remove trees from the land in order to run tractors. Seems much more intelligent to leave the land in place, let the cows, goats, sheep run around and eat that stuff. So, be patient with the carnivores. They are just discovering a new world they didn't know existed. Perhaps you didn't know it existed either. I'm sure nobody has explored it enough whatever the case happens to be.
@@jd01665 I'm happy that carnivore works for you, but kindly realize that that doesn't mean that it works for everyone or is the right way for everyone. Many people (including me and including the person she is interviewing) have been on carnivore for years and found that it isn't optimal for us. Not all people's genetics are the same and not all people thrive on carnivore. And it's not like we're ignorant of what you're saying. The person interviewed and myself have been carnivore for years, I used to say the exact same things you're saying here. I shunned carbs and used to think it's the source of all evil. We're not ignorant people who promote carbs without knowing the facts and we are absolutely not against meat. Absolutely not. Both he and me still eat lots of meat. It doesn't have to be "you're either 100% meat or you're anti-meat". Not at all.. But anyway, my comment was saying something more fundamental than that. It was talking about the way identification with a certain position of belief works, and the inevitable consequences of such identification (the inevitable consequences of making my existence equal to a certain position/belief). Wishing the best to you
I am suspicious of prescription drugs because I personally experienced bad side effects. So I recently found out that some of these prescription ls can actually cause insulin sensitivity and diabetes. Many psychiatric drugs and also steroids as well as some others. So some people might actually have a body imbalance from their prescription medications without realizing it. Those results can be permanent. However, hopefully the body can heal over time when given the right environment. When I was in my 20’s they prescribed antidepressants for social anxiety. I immediately went from having a fast metabolism to gaining weight and never really got my body balanced back after that. I would say research everything first.
Thanks for doing this interview Lillie! Jay and Mike literally saved my life. I was extremely restricted and high stress my whole life and I suffered from horrible insomnia and anxiety. I was also getting very close to pre diabetes and PCOS. After I started following Jay's podcast and adding carbs back in my diet (ones that work for me), I can sleep a full 7-8 hours a night without needing any supplements for the first time in 20 years.
Same , after 10 yrs ketovore I couldn’t sleep more than 3 hours straight without waking up. All I needed was carbs and I never wake up till like 7 hours later
A perspective I'd like to hear Jay's thoughts on is how he reconciles his recommendations for a high-carb, high-sugar diet when we know it's bad for oral health? Does he think that even though it rots your teeth it's good for your body? Does this not create some cognitive dissonance? Even Ray Peat (who I assume is his go-to source of info) had to discover this the hard way. If you look up images of Ray, you'll see he smiled with his mouth closed. People who have suffered from poor oral health, consciously or unconsciously, often don't smile with their teeth. Others defend Peat, saying he wrecked his teeth earlier in his life, maybe, I don't know the whole story, but there are many in Peat's forum with questions like: "I've been experiencing some tooth decay and gum sensitivity on a 'peaty' diet." To me, to argue for a diet that is bad for your teeth because it is somehow good for your overall health is a precarious argument to make... It's an argument diametrically opposed to our evolutionary biology and millions of years of selective pressures that forged strong teeth. If your diet rots your teeth, the hardest substance in your body, it's a pretty big red flag that the diet isn't optimal.
Before cutting carbs I was having serious issues with my teeth. Now after being carnivore with small cheats for a year and 6 months oral health is much better. If I was a wild human chasing carbs all day with no access to a dentist, what would happen if my oral health declined? Would bacteria and pathogens have a better chance entering my blood stream via a rotten mouth by bypassing the stomach acid? Are high carbers a product of the fully disconnected from nature that modern zoo humans have become? Please find me a cave painting of early humans drinking orange juice
@@PeaceIsYeshua just listened to it, overall, I agree with much of what they say, which is basically eat a nutrient rich diet (i.e. animal foods - yes!) and then some strategies to mitigate the cariogenic impact of their high carb diet (such as not drinking juice throughout the day which some Peat advocates advocate for). So basically they recognize their high sugar diet is cariogenic and thus need strategies to prevent the degradation of oral health, which is back to my point, this makes no sense in a first principles evolutionary biology perspective.
Wonderful to listen to someone that recognises that there is no one size that fits all. Personally, I tried keto and it made me very ill. After 3 weeks I had no energy, felt like death warmed up, and my liver enzymes were very high. On a more plant based diet, ( with occasional eggs or fish) I felt amazing! I had so much energy, all aches and pains gone, was running up the stairs 2 at a time and my eyes were bright and skin was glowing! Weight came down, 2lbs every week, and my blood tests were perfect. So that’s what works for me but I equally recognise that keto or carnivore works well for other people.
Yes, beef only is hard. I tried for 90 days and forced myself to do it. So glad I did. Nobody around me has been able to accomplish that. Not one friend or family. They all still have their medications and I'm free, not only of meds, but also of supplements and the supermarket. Found a grass-fed co-op that can take care of the animals and send me part of one fresh each week. Even eating the meat raw now, which is amazing to spend no time cooking anymore. No need to brush my teeth or use toothpaste anymore because no carbs in my diet. And no more pain, no more skin issues, like you. That's the big deal. Joints, muscles, everything are 100% perfect and I can work for hours and hours without any fatigue or need to eat. No waste either since the bones go in the garden and the plastic beef packaging gets recycled or used to repair stuff. The muscle growth has been amazing also. I don't exercise, but I lost all the fat in my belly and groin and no amount of situps would have produced the abs and chest that I have today.
I really appreciated your information, Jay. I lost weight doing keto and then carnivore ... BUT after years (about six years) of eating this way, I completely lost my energy and had terrible stomach issues. You're getting a lot of crap from a lot of viewers, but not from me. I wrecked my metabolism and it's taken a year to get my energy back and my digestive system back in good shape, good sleep too. Thank you for speaking to this audience!
When are people going to understand, the body doesn't require carbohydrates coming in? It can makes the exact amount of glucose necessary for the body to function it's self. You do not need to stuff yourself with additional carbs. If you do, it's because your addicted to sugar!
@@d.wilbur5164first of all how many years did you do strict carnivore, keto and carnivore are two different diets, who knows what goddamn vegetables or nuts caused your digestive issues and metabolic issues.
How can blood sugars increase in the absence of carbohydrates? It's called gluconeogenesis. Your body will get the glucose it needs from somewhere and that somewhere in the absence of carbohydrates will mainly come from the breakdown of proteins and lipids. The reason why the blood sugars drop when you introduce a little carbohydrate into the diet is because you trigger an increase in insulin which in turn decreases the blood sugars. The reason this occurs in these people is because they need more insulin due to them being insulin resistant. Cutting out all the carbs drops their insulin levels too low to control the blood sugars that are being converted by the body. Hope that makes sense. BTW, I have been in healthcare 30+ years trained in integrative functional medicine and hold a PhD in human physiology. Wanted to add one more thing after watching a little bit more of the video. In short, a healthy person SHOULD be metabolically flexible without causing an increase in cortisol. For example, you want your body going in and out of ketosis on a daily basis. Simply put, burning glycogen for fuel during the day and burning fat at night while asleep. Your body SHOULD NOT produce high levels of cortisol just because you are on a low or zero carb diet. Your body is designed to cope with this by way of gluconeogenesis. Now, jumping from a high carb diet to carnivore overnight may trigger an initial stress response, but your body will quickly adapt. The human race would be extinct if it didn't! The main reasons for increased cortisol are from not taking in enough calories, eating junk food, too much exercise, not enough sleep, emotional stress, and other physical stress like infections, disease, etc...
In my experience, this Bioenergetic approach that he's talking about is where it's at. Been doing for years Paleo then Keto then Ketovore then carnivore, all of them worked for a while (sometimes a short while) until they didn't and major problems started to surface, and I mean MAJOR problems. The Bioenergetic understanding (not bioenergetic diet but the bioenergetic understanding) is the first time that i'm doing things completely different. Not following a set of fixed diet rules and trying to force myself to follow those fixed rules, but for once actually learning about how i actually function and listening to what i actually need. A game changer for me. No dogma and set beliefs and pushing and forcing but constant observing and learning..
Same. I fasted and did low carb/keto/carnivore for years. Eventually it wrecked me and everything stopped working. When I found Ray Peat’s work, my thoughts on nutrition and health completely changed. No longer dogmatic about eliminating entire macronutrients and enjoying sugar again. But it’s a slow recovery as it took years to mess everything up, it’ll take time to repair.
@@lindseysromalla you did fine on super low carb for years and then things change? What problems and symptoms did you have and how long did they take for you to notice them?
Same. Been keto over 7 yrs. Lost weight, then started regaining slowly , keto wasn't working anymore. A1c started creeping up. Fatigue, anxiety, depression, weight gain. I'm eating 50 clean complex carbs a day now and feeling much better.
I got insulin resistance problem and prediabetes last year. Learned the long term approach on IR rather than short term extreme way to change my meals. Changed to high fiber diet (eat this first in meal), increase protein intake, reduce carb (read: not remove carb), also very little carb at last meal around 7pm then stop eating, plus resistance trainings and active lifestyle.. these things works for me, now my FBG score around 85-95. I think long term lifestyle is way more suitable for most people rather than extreme keto diet, no carb, no sugar. Thats just too much. I still like to have variety fruits for my diets, cant live without it.
@cakferi8680 Thank you for the reply. One or two months is really good. I just slipped into the prediabetes range for the first time and trying to learn all I can. Thanks for commenting about your experience and what you did. It gives me and many others hope and encouragement.
Yesss!!!!!! I was carnivore for 2.5 years and the stress, anxiety and insomnia were getting really bad. I have now switched to prometabolic/bioenergetic eating and I am feeling so much better! Better sleep, lower stress and anxiety, and better muscle growth and body composition. I've been waiting for Lillie to find out about this way of eating, it seems to be where ex carnivores and ex keto people usually end up when experience issues. I wish I knew about this sooner, instead of trying to figure out how to do carnivore better to fix my issues, which was never going to happen.
Yup. Same. On top of everything you just mentioned. I was also groggy all the time. Come to find out, I am pre-diabetic, hypothyroidism as well as low level kidney disease. And this is from me eating "healthy" for so many years.
@@gergoolle5773 no it was the diet. The body needs glucose which is why it does gluconeogenesis when you don't eat carbs but that is a physiological stress on your body to do that. Carbs calmed me down immediately.
I eat a low carb diet. The minute I start eating more carbs, I pile on weight. When I keep my carbs under at about 75/day, the weight just melts off. I am mot talking water weight. I can easily gain 30-40 lbs when I eat a higher carb diet. When I eat just meat, fruit, vegetables, and small amounts of nuts/dairy -- no grains -- I drop those extra pounds with no effort at all.
@@hallajavel Fair enough. I eat high fat, high protein, low carb. Weight melts off. I think it is a matter of figuring out what works for you. No diet (meaning nutrition--not fad diet) works for everyone. ETA: I think the major thing is to choose either high fat or high carb. It is the high fat combined with high carb that causes obesity. IMO.
@@supirman Probably. If I eat carbs, I am hungry all the time. I lose weight with no effort eating a 58% fat/15% carb/27% protein diet. Yes, I dialed it in to that level of detail. I am always full at around 1500 calories per day. I shoot for those macros on a weekly basis, not a daily. See my other response for more details.
This is fascinating to me, because I'm one of those who carnivore just didn't work for even though I actually enjoyed eating that way. When he said that the way to turn down cortisol is by eating carbohydrates, it reminded me of watching so many people on My 600 lb life get stressed out making the trip to Houston or other things and saying I have to eat (usually fast food) because I have to get rid of this anxiety. And it's not just emotional or mental, I believe. It's biochemical and they've come to realize it. Glad I watched it. I need to watch some of the others Lillie mentioned that address this issue.
This makes sense. I've been trying to be mostly carb free for months and feeling less and less motivated, increasingly sad, and depressed. Finally I said, screw it, I'm going to eat a few carbs. Not ones in boxes from the store, but my own homemade from select ingredients. My attitude and energy is way up. We need variety. I still don't eat much produce. I don't trust it.
Speaking as a 66 year old diabetic in my opinion the click title is not one that make me want to take this seriously. Also science proves that all plants, and all carbs are plants have toxic chemicals that science proves plants use to defend themselves. Also, in my opinion the reason many people fail eating a Keto, or a carnivore (and a carnivore diet is another keto diet) Or a plant free diet, is that they most likely have a carb/sugar addiction! Period!
Greek yogurt and blueberries in the am with tracking carbs can still keep you in ketosis and get effect from carbs. Cottage cheese with granola same thing. Just keep carbs between 30-50 grams no more
Great interview, Lillie. It's intesting to listen to an alternate perspective. As you noted in your intro, there are some things with which you disagree. There is a long list of MDs and PhDs who would also strongly disagree. But it's worthwhile to listen to all the perspectives. Thank you. 🙂
If you watch it looks like this podcast was cut and chopped to bits, he does beat around the bush, I think he very much is propagating theories he has heard but is not exactly doing a good job of it.
Can't wait for the Bart Kay response lol. "The way that diabetes is diagnosed is chronically elevated blood glucose, the only way to reverse this process is to stop pouring contraindicated carbs down your neck."
Take it all with a „grain“ of salt!😅 For me, all grains and starches make me feel like CRAP! Carnivorish….with very low carb is the only WOE my body seems to like!
Not true. Diabetics that restrict carbs may have a slight lowering in their blood glucose, but it is still elevated. Where is the glucose coming from? Elevation of chronic stress hormones since glucose is not being utilized properly. The body cannot create enough energy to supply the stress demands, thus elevation of stress hormones which increase blood glucose is elevated chronically. The blood glucose is a symptom, not so much a problem. So ingesting more sugar on top of that isn’t harmful and is actually beneficial.
@@garrettlangmaid7965How is blood glucose a symptom? Are you this naive to understand how diabetes is a disease caused by excessive consumption of carbs and nothing else, if you are mentioning starvation periods leading to high cortisol in diabetic patients, that means they are not eating enough protein and fat in their meals, the reason they are diabetic because they didn't do it in the first place, stop being a carb addict.
Thanks for this Lillie! I know i have problems with insulin but low carb/keto makes me feel absolutely exhausted, stressed & depressed, even though i like the food and i like not being hungry so frequently. I'm still trying to find my balance between having enough energy to get through the day but also not over-doing the carbs. It's nice to hear someone say that not everyone is going to feel good on low carb/keto. I certainly don't. And the second i take myself out of ketosis i feel like a new person but then it's not long before my body starts craving bad carbs. I feel like i can't win 😮. But thank you so much for making these videos and giving a different perspective. There is no 'one size fits all' ❤
@Janice, have you tried doing low fat with your carbs? I’m not sure if that would help the cravings, but I’ve many times heard it’s best when transitioning to keep the fats low. I do this by eating low fat meats and dairy. What types of carbs do you crave?
@@PeaceIsYeshua thanks for the fedback! I can't have dairy (intolerant) but I'll try having only low fat foods and see if that makes a difference. Thanks!!
@@janice-ann7157 You are so welcome!! Yes, 93/7 grass fed ground beef has been my best friend for a while! I eat 1 pound daily! 😆 Just a little ketchup makes it delicious, or some onions with tomatoes and mustard, or garlic, even nutritional yeast, ha! I hope lower fat helps you!! ❤️
@@janice-ann7157 Good advice already given (low fat), might I add maybe try lower fat while really leaning into whole food carbs. Just do this to see how you feel. Often times, like Jay somewhat mentioned, we don't eat enough carbs but we can't know if we don't try. Fruit juice, honey, milk, some potato/rice is a vastly different world than grains and refined flours, vegetables, and nuts etc.
I love Jay as well as others in the bioenergetic space like Danny Roddy, Strong Sistas, Mike Fave, Mercola. Low carb didn’t work for me. I had no energy!! And yes, I tried the tweaks, y’all. :) It’s so great to be eating some carbs again and having the physical energy I need.
Depending on how long you have been type 2 and how much damage you done, cutting fat to 15% or less, 30g approx and eating good starchy crabs, fruit or honey, your diabete will be gone in 2 weeks ... Just don't panic when you see higher than normal blood sugars the first week, they will fall to normal and below and you will become very insulin sensitive when all the fat gumming up your mitochondria is gone.
If I go extremely low carb, and I don't eat high carb usually to begin with, my stress hormones skyrocket. I get horrendous adrenaline surges and insomnia without some carbs. I think everyone needs to find the balance for their own bodies and that will probably change over time.
Same. And it wasn't that way for the first few yrs on keto. But now my adrenals are stressed. I'm adding 50 complex carbs a day now and feel much better.
Yeah, so many people experience the same metabolic problems from prolonged keto/low carb/zero - carb carnivore... Chronically elevated stress hormones, lowered thyroid function, gut problems etc... are the result of that shit... Low carb destroyed my metabolism for real... Since increasing natural sugars I have felt so much better, but I am still not fully cured. Balanced macros like 40 - 45 % carbs, 35 - 40 % fats and 15 - 20 % proteins are best for me. Most important is to stay away from seed oils, processed shit and chemicals. Gluten is also very damaging for me 😅
@@TobiWillTrainieren , yes, I had a ton of inflammation, gut, and immune issues with gluten. I went gluten-free 11 years ago. I knew it was the gluten and not the wheat processing because even rye, barley, and organic sprouted breads hurt me. Ugh, those nasty oils are everywhere!
Yep agree did carnivore for 8 months, healed my gut issues, lost some weight. But the fatigue was debilitating and the fasting was absolutely horrible for my body. I was very depressed and moody. Found Jay and started eating carbs and my energy is fantastic, brain fog gone and no more constipation. Yes i tried all the carnivore hacks nothing helped. Carbs work for me and im in such a great mood waking up happy and motivated 🙏✨️
It's so good seeing now Ray Peat and Bioenergetic principles get discussed in more Animal Based/Carnivore Communities. I notice that carbs (and by carbs I mean whole carbs like fruits, honey, dairy, etc.) are too easily demonized by unfortunately the low carb community, which then leads to high cortisol, glucagon, etc. levels in the long run if implemented opn a daily basis. It's nice to see nuance now in these types of conversations between low carbers and the bioenergetic sphere
I think that people can thrive on multiple different kind of diets, but no diet is perfect on it’s own. I did strict carnivore for two years. Felt pretty good except my sleep was getting worse towards the end, and I couldn’t lose the last 10lbs so I switched to high carb low fat, which is basically the complete opposite… I feel good, my sleep is so much better and I have more energy, and the weight is slowly falling off.
I have a question. If I need 150 grams of Carbs daily "just to fuel my brain" but I'm only eating 120 grams and my blood glucose is 130 (from those carbs), why does the body not use the sugar in the blood to fuel those needed 150 daily grams and balance my blood glucose level. Assuming these are perfect, clean carbs (lentils, whole foods, etc).
@@OMNIBUBB i know that, that's what I was talking about. The 130 is my glucose. If I "undercarb" why wouldn't the brain take glucose from the blood if it needs more glucose than I'm taking in?
These people who also eat a ton of carbs are working out all the time and work it off. Regular people that don't work out, shouldn't eat alot of carbs.
@@DKYSportslive regular people should stop being so lazy and start working out. Society is sick and fat because they're all over consuming junk food and don't use their bodies for movement.
@@supirman You can lose weight and not work out. I agree people should workout more, but eating the carbs these people eat you need to be in the gym for hours a day. Most people are busy and don’t have time for that. Eating better is easy if you are motivated to be healthier. Carbs are not healthy. They mess up your brain.
Young and muscular people can eat lots of carbs. It’s the rest of us who must make concessions to effects of time. We can’t live the way we did when we were kids, but too many people don’t learn that.
Just got my blood work back doing similar dirt to you- LDL-236, tri- 88, HDL 58, iron ferritin 369. Of course they tell me to stop eating meat and work out more. I’m like- I workout at least 4 days a week hard. I’m 44, I feel the best I’ve ever felt on this diet
Most metabolically challenged people, can not consume carbs without over eating them, and putting on weight. I've been listening to this guy, the video is almost half over. Not sure yet, what he recommends.
The “carnivore” space on UA-cam is starting to get crowded and views are harder to get. The new trend is to take advantage of all the carb addicts that want to be told that it’s ok to eat carbs again and go back to getting those dopamine hits. Saladino saw the opening and was one of the first to jump on it. He knows good and well that most people that are seeking health advice online are people that have problems and telling them to eat a bunch of fruit and honey is like telling a drug addict to just have a couple small hits.
4 months. Schizo and bpd came back. I'm just doing trauma therapy now. Severe bloating as well. Severe sleep disturbance. I give up. I'm eating oatmeal, eggs, and bacon for breakfast.
I experience much of what he was talking about. I was low carb for a long time and stopped losing weight. My glucose started going up and so did my A1C. The lower carb I went the worse it was. I just started eating carbs again and wow were the first few weeks some scary highs, but now they are great. It's like my body forgot how to handle carbs. Overall adding fruits and natural starches back in has made me a much happier balanced person.
I couldn't sleep more than 2-5 hrs of interrupted sleep (having racing heart) during 15 months of carnivore. It took a MASSIVE toll on my health. I tried everything possible to fix it. I've been following carnivore content since 2018 and I've watched thousands of carnivore videos by now plus I've had carnivore coaches so it's not like I "did it wrong" like some people might think. I had no choice but to reintroduce carbs bcs I was a complete wreck after the stress that my body went through. But with that said...I can't resolve my health issues (Hashimotos, asthma, fibromyalgia) on "pro metabolic" or animal based either so it's a catch 22. I sleep better and that's ofc very important but I still wish that I could go completely carnivore again bcs I feel like I can't reverse my autoimmune issues and other health issues otherwise. Plus I have signs of insulin resistance and I haven't been able to reverse that either on "pro-metabolic" or animal based. You have to then keep the fats very low, or rather low, if you eat lots of carbs and I've tried that aswell. For a couple of years before carnivore! (Following the "pro metabolic" approach.) It has been confusing as f to listen to the opposite views of low carb/carnivore and "pro-metabolic" but I instinctively feel like lower carb is the more natural approach. It feels very unnatural to eat that much fruits/juices/honey that pro-metabolic suggests. (And/or some starches if tolerated.) Plus I hate to have to moderate fats to the degree that you have to on that approach. Right now I'm somewhere in between and that's probably not a good idea either. (Randle cycle.) But I still have to have some carbs to not crash. I'm dealing with ongoing oxalate dumping aswell so that also messes with everything. It's rough.😵💫
I can relate. Though, I attribute the stress mostly to under-eating. I was "eating to satiety" as the gurus tell you, but once I calculated it, it was 1200-1500 calories. Around half of what I need. I can't afford to eat enough, so I add 20-50 grams of carbs which is a temp. help.
Nice to see you again Cammie lol. I wouldn't worry about the Randle cycle too much, it becomes a problem for very metabolically damaged people OR we're talking like 150+ grams of fat and 300+ grams of carb a day. That could start to cause issues but that's difficult to do. For myself, pro metabolic eating revealed to me that MY issue was thyroid related. This can cause all kinds of odd side effects that may seem like food intolerances. Took me 3 months slowly crawling out of carnivore and having all kinds of weird side effects until everything flipped and I feel better than I ever have and haven't looked back. I wonder what else you do in your life and what you mainly eat? Starch doesn't always do me good. Neither does veg. Not all fruit either. Bacon and eggs don't always like me either. I stick to like 90% beef for my meat and the rest is some potato, OJ, dates, milk, ocassional fruit and veg. Roughly 250-300 grams of carb a day. Carrots, mango, melon, grapes. I dont do well with apples, pears, banana, pineapple, spinach, the list starts to get lengthy lol. People look at me like I'm crazy but OJ was my main carb source when switching. Very high in B vitamins which is great for metabolism and thyroid, but also low in fiber and fodmaps so it shouldn't cause much issue digestively. I can only speak to my experience, I hope this helps Cammie. When I tried potato and whole fruit as my MAIN carb source, I was bloated, fatigued, foggy etc so I get it trust me
I did low carb for 10 years, never really ate junk food anyway, but cut out most fruit and starches. At first it was brilliant lost 10 kgs, then after several years there was hair loss, lack of sleep and high cortisol (chronic). I've now changed to follow Jay's advice and have added more carbs, I've put on muscle, I sleep better and my stress is much lower. I love Jay, his ideas are balanced and work.
I can't wait for Bart to review this. It seems Jay has a one-sided and very different view of the involvement of mitochondria. I found his downplaying of fat and ketones quite extraordinary as we know mitochondria use all three very efficiently. He also seems to think locking fuel sources out of the cell when it is replete is because of broken mitochondria but doesn't explain why he thinks they got broken. Its more logical that they are simply protecting the cell against excess glycation damage.
I had removed starchy carbs and most highly processed food, sticking mostly to whole food for over 8 months. Loss 8kg and currently fluctuating between the 9th and 8th Kg. Fruits and vegetables are also technically carbs and I do eat them daily, but trying a higher soluable fibre to insoluable fibre ratio. I walk around 10K steps daily, so I thinking I am well covered. Feeling good and no urge for more starchy carbs despite the quite rarely 2 slices of thin crust pizza or a burger once a month or two. To avoid taking too much EVOO just in case the ones I am taking is not pure enough, I eat olives too. Inline with the "directly from the source" mentality, I suppose.
One day of true keto, and I've got instantaneous insomnia! I cannot do Keto. I've changed to one whole sprouted grain per day, lots of veggies, a bit of fresh berriies. I am able to sleep. I love natural lighting at night- exeriencing the slow fade of twilight into nighttime dark is a lovely time of day. I use the bluelight filter on my laptop to reduce blue light. Walk and eliptical 5-6 days a week. These work for me. I love Jay's ideas. Thanks for sharing!
@@aakusterOne-size-fits-all doesn't work anywhere in the human condition and it doesn't work with diet and nutrition either. Religious fanaticism is not a good look; you might want to try another. 😊
@@curtismatsune3147they aren’t wrong, carbs are not essential,but they are dumb because our mental health is and cutting something you like off is a recipe for disaster
@@GerardoHernandezF87M2What about "One-size-fits-all doesn't work anywhere in the human condition and it doesn't work with diet and nutrition either" do you find difficult to comprehend?
Good I didn't waste my time on this, i just checked the "how to reverse insulin resistant without cutting carb" and it couldn't find any valid answer, if anyone wants to hear about actual science on insulin resistant check prof benjamin bikman latest podcast....
He's right. In my experience, i stopped getting benefits of keto and also carnivore. The losing of hair, sleepless nights. With carbs, i can hydrate so much better. I sleep better, and recover better. Carbs are not the problem, it's the ultra processed food, which happen to be mostly carbs, and some certain carbs that have contaminations. but saying "carbs and sugar and insulin" is the problem, is wrong. It's not therm.
We are all different! Everyone needs to do conscious self examination/experimentation and refine this over time. Just like there is no magic pill, there isn’t just one way; take personal responsibility and find YOUR path. This will be a lifelong analysis because things may change as you age. Enjoy the road!
Pretty sure the reason we over eat sweet things is not because we are finally getting enough energy and therefore crave more… pretty sure its because sweet things, fructose in particular, blunt the effects of hunger/satiety hormones…
Low carb does help insulin resistance but does not always make it go away. Continuous glucose monitors I think are awesome for knowing where you fall in all this. There will be a OTC cgm on the market soon. You can find Doctors on UA-cam that help when insulin resistance is an issue for you.
I just don't like eating that many carbs, makes me hungry every 2 hours with the carb crash.. Makes me more anxious. The less carbs the less anxiousness for me. The less carbs the less GI Bloating etc.
The cells resist the delivery sugar not because they are "working improperly", but because they are already replete with energy and too much glucose is toxic. I know you want to consult multiple sources, but you still want to interview people who KNOW what they're talking about.
I think this guy has some good points. On carnivore, I lost quite a bit of hair due to the stress it put my body under, slept like crap for weeks. I do believe cutting out everything was a good choice at first in order to reset my gut but have since added back some carbs in the form of honey and fruit and feeling better. ❤
Thank you Lillie and Jay for this interview. I had started out carnivore and did well but then noticed energy level drop, muscle weakness etc. I instinctively moved to fruit and roots added to my protein and fats and it is correcting bloating etc. Thank you for confirming this (at least for me!)
I was weak on carnivore too!! I added in fruits and potatoes and am doing so much better!! Glad you are too! 😊 P.S. In order to do this and not gain weight, I did have to switch my meat and dairy from full fat to low fat!
@@Ghostfabe Yes, I did say except for butter. Sorry for the confusion. :) I get the feeling you don’t like me simply because I eat carbs….. Butter tends to be much better tolerated by people with dairy allergies, but I actually don’t have a problem with dairy anyway and consider it a health food. I eat lots of dairy currently and have so much more energy now than when on carnivore/low carb.
I forced myself to listen to the entire episode Its important to be open minded and consider different perspectives. However, be very careful of the self proclaimed "life coach" experts. These people regurgitate existing information on the internet and are strategically biased. Look at his bio and what he is trying to sell. Pay attention to the details. When he is vague and is fence sitting, he is regurgitating BS. Lots of false, shallow, misleading statements. Don't let the title of this video scare you from doing something that works for most people. Just because it doesn't work for 1% of people doesn't mean it doesn't work. This video gives you the impression that a lot of people fail on the carnivore diet or animal based diet but that is not true. it might make you want to start to eat more carbs - over 200g per pay? Snack on sweets at night? Eat 4x per day? No two people are the same - stop generalizing your theoretical perception of the perfect diet for everybody, at all ages, with different predisposition for medical problems If you want to help people then stop baiting and selling your services. Diabetes is the #1 cause of CVD and stroke, and is the number one cause of death. Diabetes is caused by excessive carbs intake- how much is too much? That's different for each person - mostly likely not 200g per day. If you eat more carbs because of this video then it is doing you a disservice.
Carnivore cured my panic anxiety and made my confidence sky high. But made me under-eat, got thyroid problems I think. Losing hair etc. Was around 1500 cals day for a year. Eating sugar and carbs, makes me tired. I'm so in doubt on what to do. Tried high fat. Tried electrolytes. Currently I eat 20-30 grams of carbs, mainly just to have some water/mineral retention. But don't feel superhuman, as I did in the beginning on Carnivore. I miss the Carnivore Zen Superhuman mode. My plan is to try zero carb again, but this time make sure I eat A LOT more! I don't believe sugar and high carb is healthy. It's not natural for us. It's what our grand parents did, and they all got ill, overweight and dementia etc. It's a new phenomenon, not possible in nature, outside modern agriculture.
I don't even know what my body wants or doesn't want sadly. After following keto/vore for 2+ years now, my benefits have been almost non existent pain most days, which is amazing bc I suffered horrible pain after a car accident for 5-6 years. I dropped 7 lbs and some inches here and there in the 1st 6 mos of eating keto and for all these benefits I'm very grateful. I've also been able to begin regular exercise again for the past year but My mid section is still over fat 😢
I had to start weight and resistance training to get my body to respond again after stalling on keto / carnivore. I've also started PSMF for non training days.
Oh I forgot ayurvedic diet which is amazing , because recently we observe that vegans miss healthy fats like C15 ....which is in ghee, butter, whole mild products.... In french diet : they eat french cheese after diner.....saturated healthy fats......
This rings true for me. I went carnivore three years ago from years of paleo and while my mental health improved, my stress and inflammation has gotten worse and I can’t figure out how to fix it. I had some cheat carbs the other day, the next day I felt amazing. Maybe it’s time to try some carbs on a daily basis.
I started eating this way intuitively after being carni and its been about a year and I've never looked back. It's easy, not restrictive, I feel the best I ever have in my life. Try it for yourself, give it a few months to really see what works for you Carnivores will act like it's a badge of honor to only eat meat..this happened to me as well. After carnivore I couldn't tolerate anything other than meat. This is not a good thing lmao. Now I can tolerate foods I NEVER thought I would, milk, vegetables, fruits, etc.
you're not consistent of what you are doing...you're making people confused about what to follow on nutrition...you should be schooled by prof bart kay...make a debate with him and defend what is your principle about nutrition...we will wait for that!
Low stomach acid, sluggish gallbladder function, pancreas gets congested end result liver toxic overload. All of this over time creates insulin resistance. Under methylation plus stress also big part and thats how it all begins before mitochondria gets disregulated.
No disrespect but where is the evidence for this influencers claims? This isn’t my first rodeo and he is regurgitating the same info that other health influencers are making content about. ITS ALL THE SAME CONTENT and hes making alot of claims that are absolute hokum. People who remove CRAPPY food from their intake ALL have improved markers of health. What’s his expertise?
I agree with the hypothesis proposed by Jay Feldman iecwhen he say that : "the problem is in & with the Engine and so don't blame the fuel". This explains why 🌎over carb eating public are also healthy and unhealthy like those with low Carb or Carnivorous diet. I think the recent research that C15 deficiency also causes insulin/metabolic resistance. Kudos to Jay, he surely has the guts to take a path when most researchers are divided in two rigid camps.
For me low carb works to reduce inflammation. But people have to understand that 1 diet does not fit all and always listen to your body, but also give it time to do it's thing. You can not reverse something that you have done for years in a few days. But that is the time we live in, instant gratification (finance and health)
It's worth knowing that a carnivore diet (or even low-carb) with significant dairy can cause low energy, hair thinning, bad memory, cramps, feel-the-cold, and some other symptoms. This is because of an obscure form of hypothyroidism caused by too much iodine rather than too little. Also an up to 13 point reduction in IQ. Recovery is within 2 weeks of cutting the dairy; the iodine is put on the teats at the milking stage and difficult to avoid. The threshold for this effect is 1400-1700ug of iodine a day in a norm carber but very much lower in low-carbers. Sugar increases need of iodine (as it does C), so resulting in some carnivores being convinced that the anthropology must be of meat and fruit. Eg. Saladino. However, the evidence is that ancient fruits were small and sour and had little sugar.
@@lorettamargaret2243 This is in the context of carnivore/keto, not a normal diet, and where the need of iodine is much lower. In any case, it's very easily tested. Cut out all dairy and see what happens within 2 weeks.
Thanks for this video. I have been intermittent fasting for several years now. It has helped me control my weight and I think it may have caused my thyroid problem. My thyroid function over the last few years has really decreased. I will have to rethink my intermittent fasting plan.
You are massively ignorant. Humans eat carbs. Broken humans who have 100 excess pounds of carbohydrates storage on their bodies need to not eat carbohydrates because they ate enough for 50 people. Once you come back down to normal human being weight, you eat carbs.
Bloodtype related intolerances is imho the answer to why some are in bliss with carnivore and others with vegan , and others with makrobiotic....but all share 1 common thing: that don't eat junkfoods and drinks , industrial fake transformed foods , seedoils , refined flours , refined sugars....❤❤❤❤
Carnivore did not work for me and now I can say for sure it was because of the internal stress a no carb diet can induce and the corresponding side effects: poor sleep, exhaustion, low thyroid function (my resting heart rate dropped from 60bpm to 48!), cold all the time, etc. My body just felt it was in a low energy environment….love that phrase! To the carnivores out there that are thriving with no carbs: kudos to you: you are biologically adapted to thriving on that diet but you do no good by judging those of us that can’t.
PQQ and obesity-associated metabolic diseases AMPK is a key cellular energy regulator that plays a crucial role in maintaining cellular energy homeostasis (Hardie, 2014). Given its impact on AMPK and mitochondrial function described in Section 3, PQQ has considerable potential for treating numerous metabolic diseases including diabetes, NAFLD, and CKD. Moreover, PQQ influences insulin signaling via multiple pathways and increases glucose absorption via glucose transporter translocation. Thus, studies suggest that PQQ may be beneficial in insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes (Akagawa et al., 2016).
Also this stress response when carbs r missing is just because all these people in the studies r used to eating much more carbs… a diet swap always stresses the body out… people that r used to keto don’t have high cortisol no more… the only case that happens is if u r incredible lean for a long time, but that occurs on any diet
Jay Feldman, Craig Walker, Strong Sistas, Georgi Dinkov and Danny Roddy have their pro-carb (carrots, potatoes, juices) opinions that stem from an intriguing man who recently passed: Ray Peat. We don’t know everything about the human body folks. If Keto/Carnivore works for you, keep doing it.
After 10 yrs ketovore I couldn’t sleep more than 3 hours straight without waking up. All I needed was carbs and I never wake up till like 7 hours later
Didn’t lose a pound on indiscriminate calorie reduction-dropped the carbs and dropped 30 pounds in 30 days.
And almost certainly significantly elevated all the stress hormones (glucagon, cortisol, adrenaline), which signal an environment of scarcity, slow the metabolism and initiate a number of disease processes. Weight loss is important and awesome, but keep these things in mind ✌️
30 pounds in 30 days hahaha…and you also got 5 clowns believing that. You lost water.
@@OMNIBUBB continued to lose another 36 pounds over the subsequent six months and kept it off for over two years. Resolved irritable bowel and hypertension. Didn’t experience whatever disease processes you reference. Best health of the last 25 years and no need to be concerned about some assumed hormone levels.
@@nightbite6882 glad to hear it!
I lost 45 pounds doing weight watchers and switched to low carb and started gaining? Maybe the calorie restrictions caught up to me - I had maintained my weight 10 years but my hdl and triglycerides improved and ldl went through the roof 😮
Carnivore seemed to stop working for me. I am no doctor, I have no glucose monitor, I don't count calories. Keto did help at first, carnivore helped even more for a while,
but lately I started feeling (I can't even describe how I was feeling) It was sort of like a burning sensation, feverish but not a fever, Low energy low motivation.
I have now gone back to intermittent fasting and have added kimchi to my mostly carnivore diet. This seems to have solved my issues (at least so far). I feel much better now,
I do not have the time and or money to do all these tests and things. I can't even get an appointment with a real doctor who isn't a pill pusher. I have a strong distrust of the established medical community. Hope this helps someone.
Did you stop using iodine salt?? Might need iodine
@@jonduncan05 Or just electrolytes ...Sodium , potassium and magnesium, seems like Keto Flu symptoms.
Yup.. different for everyone.. im diabetic( broken) if i did what this doc says.. id be 250+ all the live long day..
Keto helped me at first also but I did use a glucose monitor. You can buy them OTC for $30 at any drugstore. My A1c went down at first but then I had what is 'morning phenomenon' where my own body churned out sugar and I woke to very high glucose levels even when extremely low carb. I would suggest you use a meter when you wake and one and two hours after a meal, just so you can see what is happening.
@@bernadette573 How much is " very high " for you ?
Very low carbs worked wonders for me when I was obese and spiraling downward health-wise but over time with the lifestyle changes I made in association with my dietary changes I eventually lost more weight than I wanted to and just couldn't put on muscle.
I added some carbs back -- mainly sprouted rice, sprouted grain bread and some potatoes -- and now with more workouts in addition to my active lifestyle I'm putting on muscle to my satisfaction at 61 years old.
Yahooo! Thanks for sharing your experience. I also found low carb to be very useful and still actually eat low carb probably 6 out of 7 days a week (low carb being under 100g). Have an awesome day!💪🏼
@@LillieKaneThank you, because you're the one who made me realize that carbs aren't necessarily bad but rather just need to be managed. You know, just like everything else in a responsibly disciplined life.
I am open to anything that is natural. I am mostly meat and fat focused as the results are excellent but I won’t shy away from fresh tomatoes or other in season veggies. I use my bodies feedback, the mirror and lab tests to guide my pathway. Anything natural is an option. I find it liberating actually.
Awesome👍🏿
@@curtismatsune3147how do diabetics( broken) manage carbs? We cannot.. unless you enjoy expensive drugs and needles
We constantly hear contradictory advice from the same people online and this is becoming like that. No wonder people fail at dieting when the people they follow online change their advice.
Lillie is one of them….
@@GhostfabeSaladino is another one.
It's alternate considerations as not everyone fits into this mold.
I respect the people who are willing to admit that maybe they were wrong… it’s called integrity. ❤ Low carb didn’t work for me either. I had no energy, and yes, I tried all the tweaks.
@@PeaceIsYeshua maybe they were wrong. And what about everyone else that still advocates low carb or zero carbs?
Dr Chaffee, Dr Berry, Dr Fung, Dr Bikman, all idiots with medical degrees and clinical experience.?
You don't need influencers or even doctors telling you what to do. Listen to your own body.
Yes!! I had very low energy on low carb, and I had to listen to that. So glad I added carbs back.
This is so true!!
Yes, but for me it starts with listening to someone else, trying what they recommend, and seeing how I respond to it.
@@joellenlevitre2590 True. The idea of eating meat only was great because parents always said to eat in moderation. If I had not found Dr. Kevin Stock's 90 days beef only diet PDF, I may have never tried this way of eating. 4 years later and I know beef only was the best idea ever in terms of simplicity, economy, health, and supporting farms that care about animals, the plants they eat, and the Earth we share. The cows can digest the carbs (fiber and sugar) and my body doesn't need them at all. Body makes glucose (180g) and xylitol (15g) so there's no need to eat them.
Unless youre a sugar addict and weighs 400# and always eating the wrong food.
Thank you so much for your preface monolog before the interview started. I actually did not watch this video precisely because I have been doing keto/ketovore/carnivore for about 10 months. I was diagnosed with T2D in September last year and I attacked it vigorously with an HFLC diet and I've lost 130 pounds and my A1C went from 11.3 to 5.3 and my health only continues to improve. In my journey I recognize that my diet is not one that everyone can do. As I got more carnivore, I found that the same "one-size-fits-all mentality that has kept people unhealthy for 50+ years was so orevelant that I almost couldn't my interact meaningfully with people online anymore. But I also know that many people flounder in a sea of information. I knew from the get-go that I was going to do and I immediately silenced the din coming from the interwebs. I was going to do this undistracted and if it worked, great. If it didn't THEN I would look into something else. The problem isn't the myriad voices so much as the indecision that comes with trying to listen to all the voices. I know the path I am on is working. Again thanks for the encouragement to commit to something that is demonstrably working for people and avoid distraction.
Congratulations on the new you. Keep up the good work. 👍
Fantastic Hba1c reduction.You're my hero! Reduced my carbs by eliminating grains, starches, and sugars, and limiting stone fruits. Still waiting for my next Hba1c test
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I think that he's describing is the Randle Cycle. The cells are protecting themselves from damage by locking out the glucose because they already have enough energy. They're preventing themselves from glycation damage. So if you are going to eat carbs you better make sure you're not eating a bunch of fat with them. To me that is just not optimal. I would rather stick to an optimal low carb diet and fix the underlying derangements that are causing sleep issues or electrolyte issues, the hormone issues causing them to be stuck in glucosis. But I know this can be very challenging for everyone and sometimes it's easier just to add some carbs back in for relief.
But it's going to be really difficult to avoid that glycation damage if you're eating carbs and also getting fat. Well it could help in the short-term I think long-term you will see worse results.
I currently eat low fat animal products with my carbs. High fat carnivore didn’t work for me at all. I had little energy and even gained weight on it.
@@PeaceIsYeshua sometimes it takes many months to work out the hormonal derangements. How long were you on it? Did you go strict zero carb?
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Hi, thank you! I did it for seven months. I didn’t do the zero carb lion version, but I was super low carb. I wish I had never done it, but at least it got me eating meat again (I had previously been plant based).
they already went thru this on their podcast, i think the explanation boils down to the fact that the randle cycle localized and heterogenous thru the body system.
@@gynozzgynozz13 I would curious to hear that portion, about it being localized, any idea where I could find that?
I had massive problems with insulin resitane, so cutted arbs, insulin resitance is gone AWAY, feeling so much better!
So you tolerate carbs now?
@@garrettlangmaid7965 I don’t need them anymore
Yeah, I shifted to a mostly carnivore situation mixed with fasting, and I’ve lost quite a bit of weight I always gain weight whenever I consume carbs.
And honestly, I sleep like a baby whenever I don’t eat carbs and don’t when I do.
I think Lillie and this guest are full of dark matter.
@@Drew-gi5dwi agree..
Tried to listen but wow is his message confusing, eat them but don’t eat them - which one is it? Many biological/physiological incorrect statements. I gave this a try, but came away not at all convinced that he knows what he’s talking about.
Carbs are not needed in a human diet. We make glucose (180g appx). We make xylitol (15g appx). We make a few others but they have not been studied very well. Fiber in carbs is not digested, only animals can digest it. Carbs destroy our teeth by feeding the bacteria and making them "sticky" - I'm serious - ask Dr. Ellie Phillips who will explain how xylitol works. HbA1c can be affected by cell age, so cells that live longer are glycated more simply because they are healthier, so it seems logical that a carnivore that is not giving blood will have a higher HbA1c. But there are no vitamins or minerals in carbs. Those come from proteins (amino acids) and fats (fatty acids). Best solution is to just eat beef. Only beef. And once you are fat adapted and comfortable, start to eat it raw. If you must cook, just roll the steak on the pan for 15-20 seconds and leave the center cold, raw, and bloody. You will use less energy and I'm sure there is no stress for a human that is eating to his fill. Beef only is a great way to be sure you get everything you need.
@@jd01665 Carbs are needed for liver detox and hydrogen creation in the gut. Plus way more things.
@@multitablez7825 Show me. As far as I can tell in the literature they didn't even know that fructose acted like alcohol in the liver until around 2014. That's only 10 years ago. My guess is that most people are not up to date on the facts. That's not a detox FOR the liver my friend, that's a detox of the materials BY the liver. If you have a claim counter, let's see it.
Exactly- just too much conflict coming out of one person. He’s clearly read a lot of stuff but he throws EVERYTHING in that same casserole and all I hear is blah blah blah. He pins everything on stress - we’ll spoiler alert mate EVERYTHING creates a stress on the system. Eating, not eating, exercising, not exercising, thinking not thinking 🤔
@@SandyB_nz Right? Too many words. My brain shuts down. So I speeded up the playback speed so I could listen for new info and blur the repetition.
Read most of the comments and it's amazing the level of intense hostility that some people show towards those who don't feel that they thrive on that person's favorite diet. It's like a religion, you must follow what i follow or you'll go to hell..
It seems like many people have invested their identity into their chosen diet so that when someone doesn't praise their chosen diet they feel personally offended, like it's a threat to their very existence, which explains the intense hostility shown. After all, If i identified my existence with a certain way of doing things or a certain position or belief, then any disagreeing with this position immediately feels like a threat to my existence (because the identification made it so that this position equals me), and such a feeling of threat to my existence obviously leads to a very hostile response. It's totally like a religion..
Absolutely! Talk about attachment and identification! It's ridiculous.
100%
Derangement is a social mental illness. Eat more meat and fat, too 😋🍺 13 carbs in a beer : )
Understand your point of view. I've suggested to UA-cam to make a kialo style interface for the comments so we can see better what's happening and categorize the comments. I think people that are trying carnivore are in pain and everybody (USA government, world health organization, French government, parents, family, doctors, etc.) suggests to eat plants. There are very few people that say "Try 90 days of beef only and see how it goes". So by the time people arrive here, they are already in pain from allergies, antibiotics, etc. They have tried so many plants or diets that their digestive systems are all over the place. Nothing is specific. However, when you find and try beef only, and it solves all your problems, and you realize that everybody pushing carbs is lying to you or else ignorant (like your parents), and you add to that your improved brain function, it's easy to shutdown everybody else. For example, now after just 4 years of beef only where I am now to a point where I eat all the meat raw, I realize the lies have no end. So, I shut down everybody that claims plants are a solution if you buy my book or join my course so I can show you how to do it right. I think that stuff is all fraudulent. Not only do the vegans not have the moral high ground, they don't even have the best interest of the Earth in place in their dogma. Putting my money into a local farm producing grass fed beef means that I give no support to industry for plants (supermarkets, cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, antibiotics, etc.) My money goes to the farmers that raise the animals on the natural grass land and plants. They are doing the work to protect the land for the animals and therefore they are the only ones that deserve my vote. I buy direct. I receive fresh. I have no waste except for the plastic sous-vide bags the beef arrives in and those get melted down and recycled. The bones go into my garden. It can perhaps feel like a religion because it's like a miracle. I was so depressed before. I had pain in my joints all the time. Making a fist was painful. Sitting at a desk was painful. My back and neck muscles were always stiff. I was trying different kinds of mice and keyboards to fix the carpel tunnel etc. I had rashes. I would be sneezing due to pollen in the air. Eyes itching, etc. Just month after month after money and then I started to forget things. Pin codes. Phone numbers. Meetings, etc. It was getting really super depressing and stressful. My knees were killing me after just 15 minutes of running. I had kidney stones. Itchy ears. Plaque on my teeth. Teeth that were cracking. Today, I don't even brush my teeth unless I need to show off. And when I do, they are perfectly white with perfect gums. It's amazing. And the more I think about it in terms of religion, the more I think you are right. The bible talks about not eating the fruit and people have all kinds of symbolic ideas about those stories from sex to real fruit. But we know that these bacteria in our bodies do control so much of what happens to us. It's no wonder that what we eat can have an impact. The bacteria that are good for a plant might not be bacteria that is good for a human. Humans do not need fiber/carbs in plants. They make their own glucose and sugars the body needs, so these are not essential in the diet. So if we want to feed a human body properly, we should consider what does it actually need. Those bacteria create everything we need. They are the real creators. So, if there is some idea of a "religion" in our body, it's probably important that we think about what is going in and what it will create while it is there. Beef only is a great way to start because it is the only diet today that is complete with one ingredient. Everything else requires more wisdom (tree of knowledge?) and the jury is out as to whether it will really make you die or not. Everything produced from plants is evil (cigarettes, alcohol, sugar addictions causing diabetes and cancer etc.) and producing plants requires us to remove trees from the land in order to run tractors. Seems much more intelligent to leave the land in place, let the cows, goats, sheep run around and eat that stuff. So, be patient with the carnivores. They are just discovering a new world they didn't know existed. Perhaps you didn't know it existed either. I'm sure nobody has explored it enough whatever the case happens to be.
@@jd01665 I'm happy that carnivore works for you, but kindly realize that that doesn't mean that it works for everyone or is the right way for everyone. Many people (including me and including the person she is interviewing) have been on carnivore for years and found that it isn't optimal for us. Not all people's genetics are the same and not all people thrive on carnivore.
And it's not like we're ignorant of what you're saying. The person interviewed and myself have been carnivore for years, I used to say the exact same things you're saying here. I shunned carbs and used to think it's the source of all evil. We're not ignorant people who promote carbs without knowing the facts and we are absolutely not against meat. Absolutely not. Both he and me still eat lots of meat. It doesn't have to be "you're either 100% meat or you're anti-meat". Not at all..
But anyway, my comment was saying something more fundamental than that. It was talking about the way identification with a certain position of belief works, and the inevitable consequences of such identification (the inevitable consequences of making my existence equal to a certain position/belief).
Wishing the best to you
I am suspicious of prescription drugs because I personally experienced bad side effects. So I recently found out that some of these prescription ls can actually cause insulin sensitivity and diabetes. Many psychiatric drugs and also steroids as well as some others. So some people might actually have a body imbalance from their prescription medications without realizing it. Those results can be permanent. However, hopefully the body can heal over time when given the right environment. When I was in my 20’s they prescribed antidepressants for social anxiety. I immediately went from having a fast metabolism to gaining weight and never really got my body balanced back after that. I would say research everything first.
that is a great observation regrding prescription drugs
Definitely, those drugs should be a last resort!
Thanks for doing this interview Lillie! Jay and Mike literally saved my life. I was extremely restricted and high stress my whole life and I suffered from horrible insomnia and anxiety. I was also getting very close to pre diabetes and PCOS. After I started following Jay's podcast and adding carbs back in my diet (ones that work for me), I can sleep a full 7-8 hours a night without needing any supplements for the first time in 20 years.
My experience has been very similar
I'm a postmenopausal woman, tried carnivore and didn't work for me, it was too much of stress for my body.
Same , after 10 yrs ketovore I couldn’t sleep more than 3 hours straight without waking up. All I needed was carbs and I never wake up till like 7 hours later
@@allie9462interesting- how much carbs do you normally to sleep well?
@@MP-uq3zr I need at least 200 carbs and CLOSE to bed like no more than an hour before bed
A perspective I'd like to hear Jay's thoughts on is how he reconciles his recommendations for a high-carb, high-sugar diet when we know it's bad for oral health? Does he think that even though it rots your teeth it's good for your body? Does this not create some cognitive dissonance?
Even Ray Peat (who I assume is his go-to source of info) had to discover this the hard way.
If you look up images of Ray, you'll see he smiled with his mouth closed. People who have suffered from poor oral health, consciously or unconsciously, often don't smile with their teeth.
Others defend Peat, saying he wrecked his teeth earlier in his life, maybe, I don't know the whole story, but there are many in Peat's forum with questions like:
"I've been experiencing some tooth decay and gum sensitivity on a 'peaty' diet."
To me, to argue for a diet that is bad for your teeth because it is somehow good for your overall health is a precarious argument to make...
It's an argument diametrically opposed to our evolutionary biology and millions of years of selective pressures that forged strong teeth.
If your diet rots your teeth, the hardest substance in your body, it's a pretty big red flag that the diet isn't optimal.
Look up Jay Feldman and dental. There was a recent video on this (summer 2024) and also one from two years ago.
Before cutting carbs I was having serious issues with my teeth. Now after being carnivore with small cheats for a year and 6 months oral health is much better. If I was a wild human chasing carbs all day with no access to a dentist, what would happen if my oral health declined? Would bacteria and pathogens have a better chance entering my blood stream via a rotten mouth by bypassing the stomach acid? Are high carbers a product of the fully disconnected from nature that modern zoo humans have become? Please find me a cave painting of early humans drinking orange juice
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@@KevinStock12 ua-cam.com/video/sGBwA7IuenA/v-deo.htmlsi=CE3Ksx_lg6FqRPHH he talks about it in this video
@@PeaceIsYeshua just listened to it, overall, I agree with much of what they say, which is basically eat a nutrient rich diet (i.e. animal foods - yes!) and then some strategies to mitigate the cariogenic impact of their high carb diet (such as not drinking juice throughout the day which some Peat advocates advocate for). So basically they recognize their high sugar diet is cariogenic and thus need strategies to prevent the degradation of oral health, which is back to my point, this makes no sense in a first principles evolutionary biology perspective.
Wonderful to listen to someone that recognises that there is no one size that fits all. Personally, I tried keto and it made me very ill. After 3 weeks I had no energy, felt like death warmed up, and my liver enzymes were very high.
On a more plant based diet, ( with occasional eggs or fish) I felt amazing! I had so much energy, all aches and pains gone, was running up the stairs 2 at a time and my eyes were bright and skin was glowing! Weight came down, 2lbs every week, and my blood tests were perfect.
So that’s what works for me but I equally recognise that keto or carnivore works well for other people.
Yes, beef only is hard. I tried for 90 days and forced myself to do it. So glad I did. Nobody around me has been able to accomplish that. Not one friend or family. They all still have their medications and I'm free, not only of meds, but also of supplements and the supermarket. Found a grass-fed co-op that can take care of the animals and send me part of one fresh each week. Even eating the meat raw now, which is amazing to spend no time cooking anymore. No need to brush my teeth or use toothpaste anymore because no carbs in my diet. And no more pain, no more skin issues, like you. That's the big deal. Joints, muscles, everything are 100% perfect and I can work for hours and hours without any fatigue or need to eat. No waste either since the bones go in the garden and the plastic beef packaging gets recycled or used to repair stuff. The muscle growth has been amazing also. I don't exercise, but I lost all the fat in my belly and groin and no amount of situps would have produced the abs and chest that I have today.
Thanks for having me on Lillie!
I really appreciated your information, Jay. I lost weight doing keto and then carnivore ... BUT after years (about six years) of eating this way, I completely lost my energy and had terrible stomach issues. You're getting a lot of crap from a lot of viewers, but not from me. I wrecked my metabolism and it's taken a year to get my energy back and my digestive system back in good shape, good sleep too. Thank you for speaking to this audience!
When are people going to understand, the body doesn't require carbohydrates coming in? It can makes the exact amount of glucose necessary for the body to function it's self. You do not need to stuff yourself with additional carbs. If you do, it's because your addicted to sugar!
Ray Peat said hello!
Jay, I don't know how I found your YT channel. Thank you for taking the fear out of eating. Priceless.
@@d.wilbur5164first of all how many years did you do strict carnivore, keto and carnivore are two different diets, who knows what goddamn vegetables or nuts caused your digestive issues and metabolic issues.
How can blood sugars increase in the absence of carbohydrates? It's called gluconeogenesis. Your body will get the glucose it needs from somewhere and that somewhere in the absence of carbohydrates will mainly come from the breakdown of proteins and lipids. The reason why the blood sugars drop when you introduce a little carbohydrate into the diet is because you trigger an increase in insulin which in turn decreases the blood sugars. The reason this occurs in these people is because they need more insulin due to them being insulin resistant. Cutting out all the carbs drops their insulin levels too low to control the blood sugars that are being converted by the body. Hope that makes sense. BTW, I have been in healthcare 30+ years trained in integrative functional medicine and hold a PhD in human physiology.
Wanted to add one more thing after watching a little bit more of the video. In short, a healthy person SHOULD be metabolically flexible without causing an increase in cortisol. For example, you want your body going in and out of ketosis on a daily basis. Simply put, burning glycogen for fuel during the day and burning fat at night while asleep. Your body SHOULD NOT produce high levels of cortisol just because you are on a low or zero carb diet. Your body is designed to cope with this by way of gluconeogenesis. Now, jumping from a high carb diet to carnivore overnight may trigger an initial stress response, but your body will quickly adapt. The human race would be extinct if it didn't! The main reasons for increased cortisol are from not taking in enough calories, eating junk food, too much exercise, not enough sleep, emotional stress, and other physical stress like infections, disease, etc...
Well since starting Carnivore my bowl movement has been much better and whenever I eat something not on the Carnivore list, I find I get constipated.
In my experience, this Bioenergetic approach that he's talking about is where it's at. Been doing for years Paleo then Keto then Ketovore then carnivore, all of them worked for a while (sometimes a short while) until they didn't and major problems started to surface, and I mean MAJOR problems. The Bioenergetic understanding (not bioenergetic diet but the bioenergetic understanding) is the first time that i'm doing things completely different. Not following a set of fixed diet rules and trying to force myself to follow those fixed rules, but for once actually learning about how i actually function and listening to what i actually need. A game changer for me. No dogma and set beliefs and pushing and forcing but constant observing and learning..
What stopped working for you with ketovore and carnivore?
Same. I fasted and did low carb/keto/carnivore for years. Eventually it wrecked me and everything stopped working. When I found Ray Peat’s work, my thoughts on nutrition and health completely changed. No longer dogmatic about eliminating entire macronutrients and enjoying sugar again. But it’s a slow recovery as it took years to mess everything up, it’ll take time to repair.
@@lindseysromalla you did fine on super low carb for years and then things change? What problems and symptoms did you have and how long did they take for you to notice them?
Think. Perceive. Act (:
Same. Been keto over 7 yrs. Lost weight, then started regaining slowly , keto wasn't working anymore. A1c started creeping up. Fatigue, anxiety, depression, weight gain. I'm eating 50 clean complex carbs a day now and feeling much better.
I got insulin resistance problem and prediabetes last year. Learned the long term approach on IR rather than short term extreme way to change my meals. Changed to high fiber diet (eat this first in meal), increase protein intake, reduce carb (read: not remove carb), also very little carb at last meal around 7pm then stop eating, plus resistance trainings and active lifestyle.. these things works for me, now my FBG score around 85-95. I think long term lifestyle is way more suitable for most people rather than extreme keto diet, no carb, no sugar. Thats just too much. I still like to have variety fruits for my diets, cant live without it.
I like your approach and glad it worked for you. How long did it take to fix your insulin resistance and prediabetes?
I think about 1 or 2 months I already getting some early result
@cakferi8680 Thank you for the reply. One or two months is really good. I just slipped into the prediabetes range for the first time and trying to learn all I can. Thanks for commenting about your experience and what you did. It gives me and many others hope and encouragement.
Yesss!!!!!! I was carnivore for 2.5 years and the stress, anxiety and insomnia were getting really bad. I have now switched to prometabolic/bioenergetic eating and I am feeling so much better! Better sleep, lower stress and anxiety, and better muscle growth and body composition. I've been waiting for Lillie to find out about this way of eating, it seems to be where ex carnivores and ex keto people usually end up when experience issues. I wish I knew about this sooner, instead of trying to figure out how to do carnivore better to fix my issues, which was never going to happen.
100% same for me too.
Yup. Same.
On top of everything you just mentioned. I was also groggy all the time.
Come to find out, I am pre-diabetic, hypothyroidism as well as low level kidney disease.
And this is from me eating "healthy" for so many years.
Maybe not the diet, but the lacking nutrients were the problem.
Maybe your body desperatly needed magnesium, potassium, b9 or something.
@@gergoolle5773 no it was the diet. The body needs glucose which is why it does gluconeogenesis when you don't eat carbs but that is a physiological stress on your body to do that. Carbs calmed me down immediately.
Me as well - not even 24hrs later and I'm back to feeling like myself - long live healthy carbs! 🎉@postdata3631
I eat a low carb diet. The minute I start eating more carbs, I pile on weight. When I keep my carbs under at about 75/day, the weight just melts off. I am mot talking water weight. I can easily gain 30-40 lbs when I eat a higher carb diet. When I eat just meat, fruit, vegetables, and small amounts of nuts/dairy -- no grains -- I drop those extra pounds with no effort at all.
For me I lose weight adding more carbs and reducing fat
you must be over consuming calories by huge quantities then.
@@hallajavel Fair enough. I eat high fat, high protein, low carb. Weight melts off. I think it is a matter of figuring out what works for you. No diet (meaning nutrition--not fad diet) works for everyone.
ETA: I think the major thing is to choose either high fat or high carb. It is the high fat combined with high carb that causes obesity. IMO.
@@supirman Probably. If I eat carbs, I am hungry all the time. I lose weight with no effort eating a 58% fat/15% carb/27% protein diet.
Yes, I dialed it in to that level of detail. I am always full at around 1500 calories per day.
I shoot for those macros on a weekly basis, not a daily. See my other response for more details.
Carbs are super parasympathetic
Perfect timing with this video. A lot of people are wanting to know this info
Id like to see Bart critique this.
This is fascinating to me, because I'm one of those who carnivore just didn't work for even though I actually enjoyed eating that way. When he said that the way to turn down cortisol is by eating carbohydrates, it reminded me of watching so many people on My 600 lb life get stressed out making the trip to Houston or other things and saying I have to eat (usually fast food) because I have to get rid of this anxiety. And it's not just emotional or mental, I believe. It's biochemical and they've come to realize it. Glad I watched it. I need to watch some of the others Lillie mentioned that address this issue.
This makes sense. I've been trying to be mostly carb free for months and feeling less and less motivated, increasingly sad, and depressed. Finally I said, screw it, I'm going to eat a few carbs. Not ones in boxes from the store, but my own homemade from select ingredients. My attitude and energy is way up. We need variety. I still don't eat much produce. I don't trust it.
You are addicted to carbs....
Same here. My adrenals don't do well on very low carb anymore. I've been keto for 7 years. It doesn't work for me anymore.
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How much of a daily carb level do you now allow?
@@ianstuart5660 I'm trying out 50 net for now. So far, so good.
So what carbs do you eat?
Speaking as a 66 year old diabetic in my opinion the click title is not one that make me want to take this seriously. Also science proves that all plants, and all carbs are plants have toxic chemicals that science proves plants use to defend themselves.
Also, in my opinion the reason many people fail eating a Keto, or a carnivore (and a carnivore diet is another keto diet) Or a plant free diet, is that they most likely have a carb/sugar addiction! Period!
Greek yogurt and blueberries in the am with tracking carbs can still keep you in ketosis and get effect from carbs. Cottage cheese with granola same thing. Just keep carbs between 30-50 grams no more
Great interview, Lillie. It's intesting to listen to an alternate perspective. As you noted in your intro, there are some things with which you disagree. There is a long list of MDs and PhDs who would also strongly disagree. But it's worthwhile to listen to all the perspectives. Thank you. 🙂
I love how he's not directly answering your questions! The lack of specificity is astounding.
he does the talk around!
Sorry I don’t get this guy. He gives vague answers. Dr. Jason Fung is the man for me.
You must not be a good listener.
@@Aurora-zy6lq fung is awful, all spewing nonsense.
If you watch it looks like this podcast was cut and chopped to bits, he does beat around the bush, I think he very much is propagating theories he has heard but is not exactly doing a good job of it.
Can't wait for the Bart Kay response lol. "The way that diabetes is diagnosed is chronically elevated blood glucose, the only way to reverse this process is to stop pouring contraindicated carbs down your neck."
Take it all with a „grain“ of salt!😅 For me, all grains and starches make me feel like CRAP! Carnivorish….with very low carb is the only WOE my body seems to like!
I am not a fan of Bart Kay, However, I agree with what he said here, and your post.
Not true. Diabetics that restrict carbs may have a slight lowering in their blood glucose, but it is still elevated. Where is the glucose coming from? Elevation of chronic stress hormones since glucose is not being utilized properly. The body cannot create enough energy to supply the stress demands, thus elevation of stress hormones which increase blood glucose is elevated chronically. The blood glucose is a symptom, not so much a problem. So ingesting more sugar on top of that isn’t harmful and is actually beneficial.
Not that clown!
@@garrettlangmaid7965How is blood glucose a symptom? Are you this naive to understand how diabetes is a disease caused by excessive consumption of carbs and nothing else, if you are mentioning starvation periods leading to high cortisol in diabetic patients, that means they are not eating enough protein and fat in their meals, the reason they are diabetic because they didn't do it in the first place, stop being a carb addict.
Thanks for this Lillie! I know i have problems with insulin but low carb/keto makes me feel absolutely exhausted, stressed & depressed, even though i like the food and i like not being hungry so frequently. I'm still trying to find my balance between having enough energy to get through the day but also not over-doing the carbs. It's nice to hear someone say that not everyone is going to feel good on low carb/keto. I certainly don't. And the second i take myself out of ketosis i feel like a new person but then it's not long before my body starts craving bad carbs. I feel like i can't win 😮. But thank you so much for making these videos and giving a different perspective. There is no 'one size fits all' ❤
@Janice, have you tried doing low fat with your carbs? I’m not sure if that would help the cravings, but I’ve many times heard it’s best when transitioning to keep the fats low. I do this by eating low fat meats and dairy.
What types of carbs do you crave?
@@PeaceIsYeshua thanks for the fedback! I can't have dairy (intolerant) but I'll try having only low fat foods and see if that makes a difference. Thanks!!
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You are so welcome!! Yes, 93/7 grass fed ground beef has been my best friend for a while! I eat 1 pound daily! 😆 Just a little ketchup makes it delicious, or some onions with tomatoes and mustard, or garlic, even nutritional yeast, ha!
I hope lower fat helps you!! ❤️
@@janice-ann7157 Good advice already given (low fat), might I add maybe try lower fat while really leaning into whole food carbs. Just do this to see how you feel. Often times, like Jay somewhat mentioned, we don't eat enough carbs but we can't know if we don't try. Fruit juice, honey, milk, some potato/rice is a vastly different world than grains and refined flours, vegetables, and nuts etc.
@@ZackRamsey14thanks!
I love Jay as well as others in the bioenergetic space like Danny Roddy, Strong Sistas, Mike Fave, Mercola.
Low carb didn’t work for me. I had no energy!! And yes, I tried the tweaks, y’all. :)
It’s so great to be eating some carbs again and having the physical energy I need.
Me too!
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I’d like to know specifically how many people with type 2 diabetes he has gotten to normal blood glucose levels with his approach.
hello there, feel free to put me on that list lol
Depending on how long you have been type 2 and how much damage you done, cutting fat to 15% or less, 30g approx and eating good starchy crabs, fruit or honey, your diabete will be gone in 2 weeks ... Just don't panic when you see higher than normal blood sugars the first week, they will fall to normal and below and you will become very insulin sensitive when all the fat gumming up your mitochondria is gone.
If I go extremely low carb, and I don't eat high carb usually to begin with, my stress hormones skyrocket. I get horrendous adrenaline surges and insomnia without some carbs. I think everyone needs to find the balance for their own bodies and that will probably change over time.
Well said.
My experience and understanding is the aame.
Same for me
Same. And it wasn't that way for the first few yrs on keto. But now my adrenals are stressed. I'm adding 50 complex carbs a day now and feel much better.
Yeah, so many people experience the same metabolic problems from prolonged keto/low carb/zero - carb carnivore...
Chronically elevated stress hormones, lowered thyroid function, gut problems etc... are the result of that shit...
Low carb destroyed my metabolism for real...
Since increasing natural sugars I have felt so much better, but I am still not fully cured.
Balanced macros like 40 - 45 % carbs, 35 - 40 % fats and 15 - 20 % proteins are best for me.
Most important is to stay away from seed oils, processed shit and chemicals.
Gluten is also very damaging for me 😅
@@TobiWillTrainieren , yes, I had a ton of inflammation, gut, and immune issues with gluten. I went gluten-free 11 years ago. I knew it was the gluten and not the wheat processing because even rye, barley, and organic sprouted breads hurt me.
Ugh, those nasty oils are everywhere!
Jay is the man! Love his podcast, don’t fear carbs people
@@TheAllanBrownlie I do. My blood sugar spiked to 310 with a portion of black rice and prawns and zucchini.
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He can have my carbs 😅
Carbs suck
Carb addicts love having their addiction validated
@@B.Rights how can you be addicted to something your body makes via gluconeogenesis?
@@JL-pi5gi because the carbs that you make from gluconeogenenisis do not spike your glucose or dopamine receptors. Is that difficult to understand?
Yep agree did carnivore for 8 months, healed my gut issues, lost some weight. But the fatigue was debilitating and the fasting was absolutely horrible for my body. I was very depressed and moody. Found Jay and started eating carbs and my energy is fantastic, brain fog gone and no more constipation. Yes i tried all the carnivore hacks nothing helped. Carbs work for me and im in such a great mood waking up happy and motivated 🙏✨️
It's so good seeing now Ray Peat and Bioenergetic principles get discussed in more Animal Based/Carnivore Communities. I notice that carbs (and by carbs I mean whole carbs like fruits, honey, dairy, etc.) are too easily demonized by unfortunately the low carb community, which then leads to high cortisol, glucagon, etc. levels in the long run if implemented opn a daily basis. It's nice to see nuance now in these types of conversations between low carbers and the bioenergetic sphere
I think that people can thrive on multiple different kind of diets, but no diet is perfect on it’s own. I did strict carnivore for two years. Felt pretty good except my sleep was getting worse towards the end, and I couldn’t lose the last 10lbs so I switched to high carb low fat, which is basically the complete opposite… I feel good, my sleep is so much better and I have more energy, and the weight is slowly falling off.
Me too, I sleep much better after adding a significant amount of carbs. Had very high cortisol and stress on carnivore
I have a question. If I need 150 grams of Carbs daily "just to fuel my brain" but I'm only eating 120 grams and my blood glucose is 130 (from those carbs), why does the body not use the sugar in the blood to fuel those needed 150 daily grams and balance my blood glucose level. Assuming these are perfect, clean carbs (lentils, whole foods, etc).
Blood glucose is measured in milligrams per deciliter. Having a blood glucose reading of 130 does not mean you ate 130 grams of dietary carbohydrate.
@@OMNIBUBB i know that, that's what I was talking about. The 130 is my glucose. If I "undercarb" why wouldn't the brain take glucose from the blood if it needs more glucose than I'm taking in?
These people who also eat a ton of carbs are working out all the time and work it off. Regular people that don't work out, shouldn't eat alot of carbs.
@@DKYSportslive regular people should stop being so lazy and start working out. Society is sick and fat because they're all over consuming junk food and don't use their bodies for movement.
@@supirman You can lose weight and not work out. I agree people should workout more, but eating the carbs these people eat you need to be in the gym for hours a day. Most people are busy and don’t have time for that. Eating better is easy if you are motivated to be healthier. Carbs are not healthy. They mess up your brain.
Young and muscular people can eat lots of carbs. It’s the rest of us who must make concessions to effects of time. We can’t live the way we did when we were kids, but too many people don’t learn that.
Gotta eat clean in the second half of life.
on the contrary, muscular people can handle way more fats, muscles burn fats at rest
Brave of Jay to directly address this (historically, primarily carnivore) audience, bravo! Happy to see Lillie has such an open mind.
Just got my blood work back doing similar dirt to you-
LDL-236, tri- 88, HDL 58, iron ferritin 369. Of course they tell me to stop eating meat and work out more. I’m like- I workout at least 4 days a week hard. I’m 44, I feel the best I’ve ever felt on this diet
Most metabolically challenged people, can not consume carbs without over eating them, and putting on weight. I've been listening to this guy, the video is almost half over. Not sure yet, what he recommends.
He addresses why that happens and why that stops with a healthy diet that calms the hormones.
Lillie! Again you asked all the great questions! Thank you!! ❤
The “carnivore” space on UA-cam is starting to get crowded and views are harder to get. The new trend is to take advantage of all the carb addicts that want to be told that it’s ok to eat carbs again and go back to getting those dopamine hits. Saladino saw the opening and was one of the first to jump on it. He knows good and well that most people that are seeking health advice online are people that have problems and telling them to eat a bunch of fruit and honey is like telling a drug addict to just have a couple small hits.
Or there's no one answer for everyone forever. After many years on keto it doesn't work for me anymore.
4 months. Schizo and bpd came back. I'm just doing trauma therapy now. Severe bloating as well. Severe sleep disturbance.
I give up. I'm eating oatmeal, eggs, and bacon for breakfast.
I experience much of what he was talking about. I was low carb for a long time and stopped losing weight. My glucose started going up and so did my A1C. The lower carb I went the worse it was. I just started eating carbs again and wow were the first few weeks some scary highs, but now they are great. It's like my body forgot how to handle carbs. Overall adding fruits and natural starches back in has made me a much happier balanced person.
❤❤ we need carbs
I couldn't sleep more than 2-5 hrs of interrupted sleep (having racing heart) during 15 months of carnivore. It took a MASSIVE toll on my health. I tried everything possible to fix it. I've been following carnivore content since 2018 and I've watched thousands of carnivore videos by now plus I've had carnivore coaches so it's not like I "did it wrong" like some people might think. I had no choice but to reintroduce carbs bcs I was a complete wreck after the stress that my body went through.
But with that said...I can't resolve my health issues (Hashimotos, asthma, fibromyalgia) on "pro metabolic" or animal based either so it's a catch 22. I sleep better and that's ofc very important but I still wish that I could go completely carnivore again bcs I feel like I can't reverse my autoimmune issues and other health issues otherwise.
Plus I have signs of insulin resistance and I haven't been able to reverse that either on "pro-metabolic" or animal based. You have to then keep the fats very low, or rather low, if you eat lots of carbs and I've tried that aswell. For a couple of years before carnivore! (Following the "pro metabolic" approach.)
It has been confusing as f to listen to the opposite views of low carb/carnivore and "pro-metabolic" but I instinctively feel like lower carb is the more natural approach. It feels very unnatural to eat that much fruits/juices/honey that pro-metabolic suggests. (And/or some starches if tolerated.) Plus I hate to have to moderate fats to the degree that you have to on that approach. Right now I'm somewhere in between and that's probably not a good idea either. (Randle cycle.) But I still have to have some carbs to not crash. I'm dealing with ongoing oxalate dumping aswell so that also messes with everything. It's rough.😵💫
I can relate. Though, I attribute the stress mostly to under-eating. I was "eating to satiety" as the gurus tell you, but once I calculated it, it was 1200-1500 calories. Around half of what I need. I can't afford to eat enough, so I add 20-50 grams of carbs which is a temp. help.
Nice to see you again Cammie lol. I wouldn't worry about the Randle cycle too much, it becomes a problem for very metabolically damaged people OR we're talking like 150+ grams of fat and 300+ grams of carb a day. That could start to cause issues but that's difficult to do.
For myself, pro metabolic eating revealed to me that MY issue was thyroid related. This can cause all kinds of odd side effects that may seem like food intolerances. Took me 3 months slowly crawling out of carnivore and having all kinds of weird side effects until everything flipped and I feel better than I ever have and haven't looked back. I wonder what else you do in your life and what you mainly eat? Starch doesn't always do me good. Neither does veg. Not all fruit either. Bacon and eggs don't always like me either. I stick to like 90% beef for my meat and the rest is some potato, OJ, dates, milk, ocassional fruit and veg. Roughly 250-300 grams of carb a day. Carrots, mango, melon, grapes. I dont do well with apples, pears, banana, pineapple, spinach, the list starts to get lengthy lol. People look at me like I'm crazy but OJ was my main carb source when switching. Very high in B vitamins which is great for metabolism and thyroid, but also low in fiber and fodmaps so it shouldn't cause much issue digestively. I can only speak to my experience, I hope this helps Cammie. When I tried potato and whole fruit as my MAIN carb source, I was bloated, fatigued, foggy etc so I get it trust me
@@ZackRamsey14 trying to add OJ too, u have some fats?
@@lucioink_ Yes.
I did low carb for 10 years, never really ate junk food anyway, but cut out most fruit and starches. At first it was brilliant lost 10 kgs, then after several years there was hair loss, lack of sleep and high cortisol (chronic). I've now changed to follow Jay's advice and have added more carbs, I've put on muscle, I sleep better and my stress is much lower. I love Jay, his ideas are balanced and work.
I can't wait for Bart to review this. It seems Jay has a one-sided and very different view of the involvement of mitochondria. I found his downplaying of fat and ketones quite extraordinary as we know mitochondria use all three very efficiently. He also seems to think locking fuel sources out of the cell when it is replete is because of broken mitochondria but doesn't explain why he thinks they got broken. Its more logical that they are simply protecting the cell against excess glycation damage.
I had removed starchy carbs and most highly processed food, sticking mostly to whole food for over 8 months. Loss 8kg and currently fluctuating between the 9th and 8th Kg. Fruits and vegetables are also technically carbs and I do eat them daily, but trying a higher soluable fibre to insoluable fibre ratio. I walk around 10K steps daily, so I thinking I am well covered. Feeling good and no urge for more starchy carbs despite the quite rarely 2 slices of thin crust pizza or a burger once a month or two. To avoid taking too much EVOO just in case the ones I am taking is not pure enough, I eat olives too. Inline with the "directly from the source" mentality, I suppose.
One day of true keto, and I've got instantaneous insomnia! I cannot do Keto. I've changed to one whole sprouted grain per day, lots of veggies, a bit of fresh berriies. I am able to sleep. I love natural lighting at night- exeriencing the slow fade of twilight into nighttime dark is a lovely time of day. I use the bluelight filter on my laptop to reduce blue light. Walk and eliptical 5-6 days a week. These work for me. I love Jay's ideas. Thanks for sharing!
Its not the processed foods it’s the fats.
Thank you for realizing EVERYONE is DIFFERENT! OMGOSH internet full of pointing fingers,
Wrong, we are the same species and HAVE NO NEED FOR CARBS
@@aakusterOne-size-fits-all doesn't work anywhere in the human condition and it doesn't work with diet and nutrition either. Religious fanaticism is not a good look; you might want to try another. 😊
@@curtismatsune3147they aren’t wrong, carbs are not essential,but they are dumb because our mental health is and cutting something you like off is a recipe for disaster
@@GerardoHernandezF87M2What about "One-size-fits-all doesn't work anywhere in the human condition and it doesn't work with diet and nutrition either" do you find difficult to comprehend?
@curtismatsune3147 it does as far as Carbs. Humans have no need for carbs. You are just a coping sugar addict😄
Good I didn't waste my time on this, i just checked the "how to reverse insulin resistant without cutting carb" and it couldn't find any valid answer, if anyone wants to hear about actual science on insulin resistant check prof benjamin bikman latest podcast....
Check out cyrus and robbie, master diabetes, it can be done on high carb also.
He's right. In my experience, i stopped getting benefits of keto and also carnivore. The losing of hair, sleepless nights. With carbs, i can hydrate so much better. I sleep better, and recover better. Carbs are not the problem, it's the ultra processed food, which happen to be mostly carbs, and some certain carbs that have contaminations.
but saying "carbs and sugar and insulin" is the problem, is wrong. It's not therm.
We are all different! Everyone needs to do conscious self examination/experimentation and refine this over time.
Just like there is no magic pill, there isn’t just one way; take personal responsibility and find YOUR path. This will be a lifelong analysis because things may change as you age.
Enjoy the road!
Just lower them, the carbs, mostly from sugars and straches so yhat you have less than 40-60 grams/day from vegetables and fruits.
Pretty sure the reason we over eat sweet things is not because we are finally getting enough energy and therefore crave more… pretty sure its because sweet things, fructose in particular, blunt the effects of hunger/satiety hormones…
Potatoes and sweet potatoes are high in oxalates. Even with a healthy gut, you are playing with fire.
Low carb does help insulin resistance but does not always make it go away. Continuous glucose monitors I think are awesome for knowing where you fall in all this. There will be a OTC cgm on the market soon. You can find Doctors on UA-cam that help when insulin resistance is an issue for you.
I just don't like eating that many carbs, makes me hungry every 2 hours with the carb crash.. Makes me more anxious. The less carbs the less anxiousness for me. The less carbs the less GI Bloating etc.
The cells resist the delivery sugar not because they are "working improperly", but because they are already replete with energy and too much glucose is toxic.
I know you want to consult multiple sources, but you still want to interview people who KNOW what they're talking about.
Sweet means eat more (of everything) to get fat for winter. Not to get more energy. Sweet taste is useful in food scarcity, not in food abundance
Yes, of course, tell that to Durianrider
@@familiepfisterer1181 why?
Prof Bart Kay should interview him, could be interesting
I think this guy has some good points. On carnivore, I lost quite a bit of hair due to the stress it put my body under, slept like crap for weeks. I do believe cutting out everything was a good choice at first in order to reset my gut but have since added back some carbs in the form of honey and fruit and feeling better. ❤
Thank you Lillie and Jay for this interview. I had started out carnivore and did well but then noticed energy level drop, muscle weakness etc. I instinctively moved to fruit and roots added to my protein and fats and it is correcting bloating etc. Thank you for confirming this (at least for me!)
I was weak on carnivore too!! I added in fruits and potatoes and am doing so much better!! Glad you are too! 😊
P.S. In order to do this and not gain weight, I did have to switch my meat and dairy from full fat to low fat!
@@PeaceIsYeshuau were probably having dairy…..
@@Ghostfabe
Except for butter, I cut out dairy for a while and tried high fat carnivore. I tried so many tweaks to no avail, but thank you. :)
@@PeaceIsYeshua butter is dairy…..
@@Ghostfabe
Yes, I did say except for butter. Sorry for the confusion. :) I get the feeling you don’t like me simply because I eat carbs…..
Butter tends to be much better tolerated by people with dairy allergies, but I actually don’t have a problem with dairy anyway and consider it a health food. I eat lots of dairy currently and have so much more energy now than when on carnivore/low carb.
Willing to bet that a ton of people in this comments section complaining about carnivore making them feel unwell were still eating a lot of dairy.
EXACTLY !!! 🎯🎯
Especially the thinning hair and tiredness brigade.
I forced myself to listen to the entire episode
Its important to be open minded and consider different perspectives. However, be very careful of the self proclaimed "life coach" experts. These people regurgitate existing information on the internet and are strategically biased. Look at his bio and what he is trying to sell. Pay attention to the details. When he is vague and is fence sitting, he is regurgitating BS. Lots of false, shallow, misleading statements. Don't let the title of this video scare you from doing something that works for most people. Just because it doesn't work for 1% of people doesn't mean it doesn't work.
This video gives you the impression that a lot of people fail on the carnivore diet or animal based diet but that is not true. it might make you want to start to eat more carbs - over 200g per pay? Snack on sweets at night? Eat 4x per day?
No two people are the same - stop generalizing your theoretical perception of the perfect diet for everybody, at all ages, with different predisposition for medical problems
If you want to help people then stop baiting and selling your services.
Diabetes is the #1 cause of CVD and stroke, and is the number one cause of death. Diabetes is caused by excessive carbs intake- how much is too much? That's different for each person - mostly likely not 200g per day.
If you eat more carbs because of this video then it is doing you a disservice.
Thank for sharing this everyone is different and needs to do different things to be healthy or lose weight
Carnivore cured my panic anxiety and made my confidence sky high. But made me under-eat, got thyroid problems I think. Losing hair etc. Was around 1500 cals day for a year. Eating sugar and carbs, makes me tired. I'm so in doubt on what to do. Tried high fat. Tried electrolytes.
Currently I eat 20-30 grams of carbs, mainly just to have some water/mineral retention. But don't feel superhuman, as I did in the beginning on Carnivore. I miss the Carnivore Zen Superhuman mode. My plan is to try zero carb again, but this time make sure I eat A LOT more!
I don't believe sugar and high carb is healthy. It's not natural for us. It's what our grand parents did, and they all got ill, overweight and dementia etc. It's a new phenomenon, not possible in nature, outside modern agriculture.
Nutrition with Judy should have him on her podcast because a lot of her clients have added carbs back into their diet to sleep better
He actually did a podcast refuting nutrition with Judy's take on bioenergetics, look up Jay Feldman Wellness and Nutrition with Judy
Me too, I sleep much better after adding a significant amount of carbs. I was very stressed and high cortisol on only carnivore
How do you know your cortisol levels are high? Feeling? Blood tests?
so... are you changing your diet at all?
I don't even know what my body wants or doesn't want sadly. After following keto/vore for 2+ years now, my benefits have been almost non existent pain most days, which is amazing bc I suffered horrible pain after a car accident for 5-6 years. I dropped 7 lbs and some inches here and there in the 1st 6 mos of eating keto and for all these benefits I'm very grateful. I've also been able to begin regular exercise again for the past year but My mid section is still over fat 😢
I had to start weight and resistance training to get my body to respond again after stalling on keto / carnivore.
I've also started PSMF for non training days.
Oh I forgot ayurvedic diet which is amazing , because recently we observe that vegans miss healthy fats like C15 ....which is in ghee, butter, whole mild products....
In french diet : they eat french cheese after diner.....saturated healthy fats......
Wow. So glad you had him on. He is amazing.
This rings true for me. I went carnivore three years ago from years of paleo and while my mental health improved, my stress and inflammation has gotten worse and I can’t figure out how to fix it. I had some cheat carbs the other day, the next day I felt amazing. Maybe it’s time to try some carbs on a daily basis.
Carbs will inflame you worse.
I started eating this way intuitively after being carni and its been about a year and I've never looked back. It's easy, not restrictive, I feel the best I ever have in my life. Try it for yourself, give it a few months to really see what works for you
Carnivores will act like it's a badge of honor to only eat meat..this happened to me as well. After carnivore I couldn't tolerate anything other than meat. This is not a good thing lmao. Now I can tolerate foods I NEVER thought I would, milk, vegetables, fruits, etc.
you're not consistent of what you are doing...you're making people confused about what to follow on nutrition...you should be schooled by prof bart kay...make a debate with him and defend what is your principle about nutrition...we will wait for that!
Low stomach acid, sluggish gallbladder function, pancreas gets congested end result liver toxic overload. All of this over time creates insulin resistance. Under methylation plus stress also big part and thats how it all begins before mitochondria gets disregulated.
No disrespect but where is the evidence for this influencers claims? This isn’t my first rodeo and he is regurgitating the same info that other health influencers are making content about. ITS ALL THE SAME CONTENT and hes making alot of claims that are absolute hokum. People who remove CRAPPY food from their intake ALL have improved markers of health. What’s his expertise?
This resonated with me so much! Very, very thankful for this interview, Lilli! First time I’ve heard of this fellow. I’ll be following him!
I agree with the hypothesis proposed by Jay Feldman iecwhen he say that : "the problem is in & with the Engine and so don't blame the fuel".
This explains why 🌎over carb eating public are also healthy and unhealthy like those with low Carb or Carnivorous diet.
I think the recent research that C15 deficiency also causes insulin/metabolic resistance.
Kudos to Jay, he surely has the guts to take a path when most researchers are divided in two rigid camps.
For me low carb works to reduce inflammation. But people have to understand that 1 diet does not fit all and always listen to your body, but also give it time to do it's thing. You can not reverse something that you have done for years in a few days. But that is the time we live in, instant gratification (finance and health)
It's worth knowing that a carnivore diet (or even low-carb) with significant dairy can cause low energy, hair thinning, bad memory, cramps, feel-the-cold, and some other symptoms. This is because of an obscure form of hypothyroidism caused by too much iodine rather than too little. Also an up to 13 point reduction in IQ. Recovery is within 2 weeks of cutting the dairy; the iodine is put on the teats at the milking stage and difficult to avoid. The threshold for this effect is 1400-1700ug of iodine a day in a norm carber but very much lower in low-carbers. Sugar increases need of iodine (as it does C), so resulting in some carnivores being convinced that the anthropology must be of meat and fruit. Eg. Saladino. However, the evidence is that ancient fruits were small and sour and had little sugar.
Fluoride in water displaces iodine so it is doubtful that people have to much iodine, most are deficient
@@lorettamargaret2243 This is in the context of carnivore/keto, not a normal diet, and where the need of iodine is much lower. In any case, it's very easily tested. Cut out all dairy and see what happens within 2 weeks.
What types of carbs should one add back in? Fruit? I definitely don't want to do grains...
Whole ripe fruits, fresh pressed juices, raw honey, some tolerated tubers/roots, raw dairy
Thanks for this video. I have been intermittent fasting for several years now. It has helped me control my weight and I think it may have caused my thyroid problem. My thyroid function over the last few years has really decreased. I will have to rethink my intermittent fasting plan.
Thanks Lily for having Jay on. I have always enjoyed your videos.
Some failures are worse than others. This was a massive one.
You are massively ignorant. Humans eat carbs. Broken humans who have 100 excess pounds of carbohydrates storage on their bodies need to not eat carbohydrates because they ate enough for 50 people. Once you come back down to normal human being weight, you eat carbs.
Bloodtype related intolerances is imho the answer to why some are in bliss with carnivore and others with vegan , and others with makrobiotic....but all share 1 common thing: that don't eat junkfoods and drinks , industrial fake transformed foods , seedoils , refined flours , refined sugars....❤❤❤❤
Carnivore did not work for me and now I can say for sure it was because of the internal stress a no carb diet can induce and the corresponding side effects: poor sleep, exhaustion, low thyroid function (my resting heart rate dropped from 60bpm to 48!), cold all the time, etc. My body just felt it was in a low energy environment….love that phrase! To the carnivores out there that are thriving with no carbs: kudos to you: you are biologically adapted to thriving on that diet but you do no good by judging those of us that can’t.
Yes same here my resting heart dropped to 50 and started getting thyroid issues.
PQQ and obesity-associated metabolic diseases
AMPK is a key cellular energy regulator that plays a crucial role in maintaining cellular energy homeostasis (Hardie, 2014). Given its impact on AMPK and mitochondrial function described in Section 3, PQQ has considerable potential for treating numerous metabolic diseases including diabetes, NAFLD, and CKD.
Moreover, PQQ influences insulin signaling via multiple pathways and increases glucose absorption via glucose transporter translocation. Thus, studies suggest that PQQ may be beneficial in insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes (Akagawa et al., 2016).
Also this stress response when carbs r missing is just because all these people in the studies r used to eating much more carbs… a diet swap always stresses the body out… people that r used to keto don’t have high cortisol no more… the only case that happens is if u r incredible lean for a long time, but that occurs on any diet
Low carb never worked for me. Fear around carbs is making people very unbalanced. Sleep, mood and energy are so important.
The liver will not over produce glucose without a major issue.
Great interview Lillie! I love hearing different perspectives. It keeps me open minded and able to learn! 🙌
Lillie’s random different faces and eyebrow movements when someone is talking is hilarious to me! 😂😂
What type of sugar sources are you recommending to your clients? Fruits?
I wonder too because i heard fructose is worse than sucrose for you health
Jay Feldman, Craig Walker, Strong Sistas, Georgi Dinkov and Danny Roddy have their pro-carb (carrots, potatoes, juices) opinions that stem from an intriguing man who recently passed: Ray Peat. We don’t know everything about the human body folks. If Keto/Carnivore works for you, keep doing it.
Nice to hear all opinions. Try these things out for yourself. I believe fasting is the best when your sugar is too high . Common sense.
After 10 yrs ketovore I couldn’t sleep more than 3 hours straight without waking up. All I needed was carbs and I never wake up till like 7 hours later