It's extremely frustrating to fight a Necromancer and his 3 zombies that he can just resummon. Especially if he's already cleared the dungeon and taken the best loot before fighting you. Luckily town portal scroll can be cast without getting stunned if you use Perseverence quickly enough.
While I understand your "You beat me but can you kill me?" attitude, the amount of times you killed that phantom with that host doing absolutely nothing even if you had died they definitely didn't beat you.
It’s the same way I live. You just build up such a resentment towards life that you persevere and push yourself to success through sheer willpower. If only for no other reason than to spite existence itself, or in this case, the host
Reminds me of the invasion I had in the library, A whole platoon of summons and a very smart partner in crime, eventually I got him into a party and we kept using each other as bait for traps. Eventually we managed to get the host alone in a corner, and since I was running a STR build I used a great sheild to trap him in with my partner as he went crazy with a longsword. By far one of the best ones Ive had to date, also the longest.
Best part: you killed him inches away from the elevator shortcut and he has to (or rather his level 800 phantom has to) do virtually the whole level over again. Testicular cancer.
I had a guy at Pontiff that was trying to play hide and seek or something, he had no armor so he could run fast and the obscuring ring so he could get away easily. So he would just run to a corner where we couldn't see him and wait for blues to summon. Then after he had a bunch of blues, he'd put on all his armor and weapons and join the gank squad. I got ganked once, but I was determined to kill him. I invaded him again and decided to play his game with no armor and the obscuring ring. I still killed a bunch of blues along the way, and eventually they stopped showing up. After almost an hour and a half of running around the map, I finally caught him and chased him until he decided to jump off a ledge. So I literally chased him around until he died of boredom, but it was worth every second of it.
@@0816M3RC Oh yeah, totally. It's not like the point of games is to have fun or anything. No, that's ridiculous. Winning is all that matters. Yup, for sure man. You just get it.
“Invaders are such cowards! Stop hiding behind mobs and fight like real men!” I wonder how many of the players who say shit like that act like the host in this video.
pretty much every invader who's about to die. the argument is twofold u have hosts that hide behind phantoms and u have invaders doing the exact same thing with mobs. everyone does it, the creator of the vid does it, i do it, if u say u dont ur just a big fat liar. We all wanna win, im nt saying everyone is as scummy as this host was. but we'll at least try to win, no matter the strategy (both hosts and invaders).
@@Mecha_Hitler Yes im sure u nvr run towards the safety of mobs when your low on health.. btw as far as tactics goes, hiding with a white branch isnt more or less honourable then hiding behind a mob.. its just that, a tactic/strategy like any other.
Damn, that part about you expressing "if they would just chase me down at the same time, I would die" really meant a lot to me. Because it shows if the host wasn't such a paranoid coward, they could of ended up beating you and carrying on. But because of the host refusing, they wasted an hour of their time and you killed the host anyhow. Goes to show ... If you can't get away, die fighting. Or just fight because why are you running away in a 1v1??
This is one of the most important commentary videos about invasions ever made. One thing I wonder about is how and why this kind of host was introduced into an invader's daily experience with DkS 3. Because I honestly think that is the case. Hosts in DkS 1 and 2 wanted to survive too, they ran, they chugged, they hid, they ganked. All good. But this kind of host who does *nothing* on his own, completely evades any form of PvP unless it's a 3v1 minimum, etc. is definitely a new thing starting with this game. Why? Is it the game mechanics? The appeal to a broader mass of gamers? Why? I really want to know. Also, I'm dying to hear what you wanted to say about your and my understanding of "tryhard" invasions. I think you wanted to expand on that when you were talking about my recent video, but then (understandably) changed the topic back to what was happening. Would you mind explaining what it was you wanted to say there?
Why does this happen now? I think it's for 2 main reasons: 1. Password summoning 2. Ability to summon phantoms outside your level range That means that anyone with a friend in DS can gank, and infinitely resummon. I don't believe this combination of features ("features") existed in any game prior.
Basically your version of try hard is going into an invasion with the best tools and build for the job. This character can't do that. So my version of try hard is showing you every plunge attack trap in the level over the course of an hour.
I have had similar scenarios in Dark souls 2. Really annoying in the levels where you can get trapped in an area which the host has to traverse to complete the level, but he decides to stay in the area you can't reach him. They would often just send white phantoms at me forever while staying at the safe place. One of the reasons dark souls 3 and 2 has more of this compared to dark souls 1 is because summoning people is more consistent.
that's a really good point about metagaming in tabletop RPGs. it's like breaking the fourth wall, doing shit that seems inconsistent with roleplaying. like you're pretending to be a fantasy character in an imaginary universe that's ostensibly similar to the real world. but in order to model that world the game has to boil it down to simple mechanics like rolling dice and shit. the character you're roleplaying isn't supposed to know the damage he deals is subject to the random whims of dice. if he knew that shit it would disrupt the fantasy. it's kind of like players on a roleplaying server in WoW talking about boss mechanics in terms of numbers and shit. there's sort of a line between roleplaying tactics and metagame tactics, i guess. obviously in tabletop RPGs it's something that a small group of players mutually agree on, if you don't want to constrain yourself like that you don't have to. same with WoW, most of the servers are not RP servers. the trouble with games like dark souls is there is none of that segregation. and since people who overtly care about roleplaying are usually in the minority of any hobby they get pushed aside. but the truth is we all care about it to varying degrees, we just may not realize it. in dark souls 1 the reason most players complain about backstabs is not because they're cheap or they're unfair. after all, everyone has access to them and they are mechanically very deep and skill-testing. the reason people complain about it is because it's super meta. the actual chosen undead isn't supposed to know jack shit about chain backstabs and backstab canceling and toggle escapes. and all of those things look incredibly unrealistic in a game that's supposed to have realistic graphics and relatively normal laws of physics. it's really disturbing to the illusion of reality the game is presenting. it feels fickle and arbitrary because the animations suddenly stop and players teleport and it's not clear how it works. that doesn't mean there isn't a method to the madness that you can learn, it just means that the method is not at all intuitive. some players don't mind this very much. but even people who love dark souls 1 pvp would probably prefer it if the game's most important pvp mechanics (the shit at the top of the learning curve, the things that define the game's best players) didn't look completely out of place with the rest of the game and didn't appear so jarring and impossible. they would most likely prefer it if, instead of learning backstab cancelling, they had to learn some mechanics about wielding their sword in a different way or combining certain maneuvers in the right order. if these things weren't important, then why would game developers bother implementing shit that looks logical at all? why bother making street fighter moves make any fucking sense? why not just make everyone a fucking triangle and make the whole game about spinning your triangle at just the right speed to flip the opponent triangle into the air or something. the reason street fighter exists at all is because people like the mechanics to be intuitive. punching and kicking are real things and they behave the way you'd expect them to. even the magical shit behaves in an intuitive way. street fighter is especially popular because most of its really skill-testing mechanics look entirely consistent with the laws and aesthetics of the fictional universe it's set in. there are a few little tricks that get into weird territory but they are much more subtle than dark souls 1's issues. anyway i love pvping in these games but i completely understand why so many people don't. the simplest way i can put it is that the metagame is just way too far removed from the actual game. a testament to that is the fact that most of the skill-testing mechanics (meaning the things that "pro pvpers" do that normal players don't) are basically overlooked or even unintended consequences of mechanics playing poorly together, and are things that were removed or at least intentionally rebalanced in later games. like nobody at from soft wanted chain backstabs that you had to do really unintuitive things to avoid (like standing perfectly still, which most of the game teaches you is a really un-safe thing to do). so those kinds of things will turn a lot of people off, everyone has a certain tolerance for this kind of thing, we're all on a spectrum. the games that get this really right are more popular because fewer people rule them out. dark souls is mostly a PVE game so it never suffered much for it. but from soft knew it would be even better if it made sure the most important mechanics were less jarring and less disruptive to the fantasy, and that's why many of these issues were progressively removed in later games. dark souls 3 still has some of these issues but they're much less obvious and less extreme in appearance, and from what i've said it should be pretty clear it's mostly about appearances. it's like if you're trying to play dungeons & dragons and your buddy says he's wearing a hot dog costume. it's not like it ruins the game, it just disrupts the fantasy. it's out of place.
I think it's simply an ego thing in that they think losing is beneath them and they deserve the win. Which frankly couldn't really be anymore detached from the overall reality of the series.
Meme Lord Thomas it’s the same way I get through life. You just have to build up such a resentment towards life (or in this case the host) that you persevere and drive yourself to success just through sheer willpower, for no other reason than to spite existence itself (or the host)
I think anyone who tries to defend this host's behaviour clearly hasn't actually done any invasions in Dark Souls 3. As much as I love the game, the amount of host advantage players receive is amazingly worse than any other title in the series. That's why I love the way you played this out, Saint. You said that other Dark Souls invaders are better at PvP than you, and that may be true, but I think this video proves you are a far better invader. As an invader myself, being patient and doing what you do is literally how I win most of my fights. There's too many variables in Ds3. Resummons, laggy netcode, Seed of the Tree Giant, and the huge potential for Blue Spirits in a world that already has 3 White Phantoms make invasions an absolute chore. A fun one, sure, but still, a chore. Playing safe, and waiting for the host to screw up is how you win these fights, and I commend you on your ability to keep it up for an entire hour. After all, we are basically Myazaki's tortured slaves. Because of the insurmountable host advantage, Our job in Dark Souls 3 is literally just to waste time, and hinder the host any way we can. Great video, Saint. Keep preaching the truth about the Dark Souls 3 invasion community.
plus you only lose soul memory if you lose your bloodstain a second time without picking it up, which i've found very easy in ds2 and ds3, also both games throw plenty of rings of sacrifices/life protection if you urgently need to not lose those souls
I have no clue why people are so damn scared of pvp in a game where death doesn't really matter. They were just wasting their own time by refusing to fight you.
Seriously. The levels are mostly pretty short and straightforward with few real hazards, the enemies aren't nearly as punishing for people who run by them or roll away to heal, and there are bonfires everywhere. On top of that, if you do end up losing souls and embers, you can very easily just get more. DS3 has the least amount of risk of any Dark Souls game when it comes to dying lol.
depends if they have their x souls waiting for them in the boss room. if they have their entire souls waiting for them somewhere and somehow they tell me that. ill gladly let them take the souls.
This shit reminds me of when i invaded at SL351+. I was in Gank city and instead of a 3v3, its a 4v1. So i decide to wait it out at the long ladder and use the Ring of Flavor glitch. I was able to kill a few phantoms. One of the dark summons sends me a message to see if i was the guy in the world. We talk back and forth for awhile, no salt or anything at all. Like 15 minutes pass and the host ends up dieing. Point of the story is 351+ is fuckin cancer and you gotta fuck cancer with cancer sometimes.
Serbian Crusader I was doing Pontiff invasions at 40s bracket. Ganks are much less there at lower level but it still happens. I smacked down like 4 gank squads with that RoF shit lmao
351+ PvP is surprisingly fun though, I just started doing it a few days ago and it's been like a breath of fresh air compared to the SL20 and SL120 invasions I had been doing.
I've watched this video a bunch of times, I love it. The funniest part to me is that the host was so horrible that he died like a bitch against regular mobs when he finally got the courage to do something instead of letting his phantom do all the work. You can't sink lower than that.
Then accept the fact that you're going to be invaded. It's always been a part of the game. Besides, if there's two of you, one invader shouldn't be a problem.
Of course the invader's gonna go and hide behind mobs. How else is he supposed to even out the odds? Is he just supposed to fight a 1v2 fight head-on and die?
No, I'm already at a disadvantage from invading, even in a 1v1 situation (Host gets double the amount of estus, he has 30% more health than usual, etc.). If I want to have a fair fight, I'll just go to the arena. I'm not afraid to die 1v2, but I'm playing to my strengths as an invader to better improve my odds. If anything, the host and summon should at least attempt to make progress in the level, especially in the circumstances when there's 2 or even 3 summons. Invaders are so gimped in this game already, but you want me to make it easy for the host by fighting him and his summon 1v2? Why can't they come to me naturally by progressing through the level and let me set up an ambush? Why can they slow-play it but I can't?
I’d probably have sat through the entire hour and enjoyed every minute, because I derive a disgusting type of pleasure from the idea that a host is out there somewhere and scared that he might have to kill 12 more enemies before he can afford that Undead Legion set he been saving up for. Great vid, saint!
Nino The Human When you can literally get the set after you kill the Watchers because you usually don't level up til after Wolnir when you make a new character.
only times i think black crystal is justified is when its a 4v1 with overlevel password summons. the host doesnt deserve the estus he gets from you dying.
And people wonder why I like the firewitches much. They put in a lot of work if you let them. Good work Saint. You pulled off one hell of a mental triathlon.
I really like invasions, as soon I'm invaded I wait for the player and jumps off nearest cliff - all for denying them the kill, I take away the fun and they're salt for the lack of engagement and time wasted. It's perfect.
Using a slightly modified version of your build, I've found that a good spear (Lothric War Banner, in my case) + Avelyn gets rid of those kinds of Hosts. I never use the Avelyn on regular Hosts, since this is pretty heavy twinking, but gankers, "roll spammers", and runners are fair game. Also, the Avelyn is perfect for those situations like at 3:00 where the Phantom rolls away with just a sliver of health.
"This is also the point, where the Host gets their shit pushed in, and their fuckin' corpse pointed at, because that's what they deserve." Holy shit what a line.
Not Space Ghost He wasn't complaining. He accepted it and started to waste their time. Also the host had multiple chances to 1v1 meters next to the bonfire
no it's more like "if between you(host) and your phantom at least one of you isn't new to dark souls, you shouldn't complain about invasions being a problem if then you keep them this long" i complain about invasions because they can waste too much time for new players who bought the game for co-oping on their first playthrough(meaning on console it can even cost you actual real money in certain cases due to monthly subscriptions), and what the host did here is exactly what he should not have, he wasted so much time that at that point he probably didn't care about not going forward in the game anymore.
Invader Mook don't misunderstand me, i like invasions, but not on my First playthrough, not when i'm going through it fully co-op, for irythill and anor londo i'll have to skip like that.
Only disagreement i have is running back to the bonfire being useless. The more souls you have on you, the more alluring of an idea it is to go back to a bonfire to get it all back safely and quickly. It's not hard to get souls, sure. But it's tedious to get back large quantities that you owned. EDIT: First heart i ever got! \ :D / Guess i should do something nice back. Uhmm...Oh, of course: Good video, i actually did learn a few things.
Bigby Boss yeah to be fair it is just the smartest play. And while it is a nuisance, you can't really hate on it. That said, just running away for the 2 minutes and 20 seconds it takes to resummon with out even trying to fight, that's just cancer.
I guess i took your argument in the video on a more personal level, with my personality in the game being a person who just tries to fight. If there's one spot i dislike, it's the Wyvern bridge in Lothric Castle. So having my souls on the safe side is what i definitely prefer after losing to an invader.
"man 400$ for the console, 60$ for this game, and 12-60$ for the online subscription. Boy... I sure can't wait to have somebody else play this for me."
Funny that you posted this today because I literally just fought a dude at Vordt that dragged out an invasion for like 45 minutes. I killed his blue while I only had 100 HP left and he just ran behind the Dancer’s fog wall and sat there. He had no estus and used a divine blessing. I kept hitting him through the door when he got close and eventually he ran out and I killed him.
With a whole hour of pvp you only plunged them twice? You disappointment me, son. Also, here is the definition of lack i used. Lack-- To be without, or _to have less than a desirable quantity of something_ Get poopied on nerd.
About 6 minutes in I am already frustrated with your lack of Sun Princess Ring to regenerate HP, Saint. I understand that by this point you're still not expecting an hour long fight, but even during _any_ slight attrition-based invasion (five minutes or higher in my opinion), Sun Princess makes a huge difference as it gets back a great deal more HP over that longer period, quite a bit moreso when stacked with an offhand Blessed infusion or even a Chime weapon art for any of those FAI or Dark builds. Alright, now let's see how the rest of this turns out... edit 1: Eight minutes in and you've handed the controller to St1cky, I see! edit 2: Eleven-and-a-half minutes SUN PRINCESS RING THANK GOD. Also _holy shit this host_ edit 3: _oh shit my comment was predicted in advance, THAT INVADER-YOMI IN UA-cam COMMENTS THO_ edit 4: Fifteen minutes in, that phantom kill around the corner was _heavenly_ ♥♥♥ holy shit edit 5: Finished. I'm still somewhat surprised that these sorts of players anger and frustrate you as much as they do. It's obvious that you and I invade for somewhat different reasons and with somewhat different intents; for me, this is the jackpot of invasions, the exact variety of player I want to meet in my adventures, because nothing pleases me more as an invader than having made a player witness the sight of Hell itself, and these are the sorts that are most vulnerable to such a showing of torment. Thus, what you describe as "bitchy tryhard tactics", I define closer to normalcy. I'd have put on Sun Princess right off the bat in this invasion with the _initial intention_ to drag an invasion out as long as I can get it, rather than resign myself to that. I agree with you that it is "wrong" of aspiring invaders to be offended when they get invasions that are meant to be dragged out long, nor do I defend a host that is going to let his summoned friend play the whole game for him, but for me, meeting these players and torturing them is the rule of invading, not the exception. Because weak people are an _eyesore._ Thanks for the video, Saint, this was enjoyable.
Hey Akari, met you once on the wrong end of an invasion months ago. was helping a host deal with the dragons at lothric castle and already knew about you. was a level 70-90 str-faith build crusader of Oroboro (when that was still a thing). after seeing your name pop up on the screen with your signature yuria mask, understandably I was screwing up ALL of my commands as you dealt with me swiftly. my character's name was Crusader Camael. you might not remember me, and never had a chance to respond, but it was nice to meet you in person for about thirty seconds of crapping my pants. Edit: also I have an invader build pure strength aptly named Kruk Blood-Axe after Satan in Uruk form in TearOfGrace's forging an army series. wouldn't mind if we met each other hunting the same prey. though my reasons for killing are almost purely based in bloodshed, eking out their pain into enjoyable fun. Favorite invasion spot would be Ariandel for sheer ascetic and the cheeky backstab area under the first snowfall cliff
I think I _barely_ remember that! I do seem to recall fighting a Crusader up near the dragons and it being a 1 v 2, I think that was back when I was Four Sword Akari. GG from months ago and thanks for supporting my work! ToG can be hilarious at times but more and more it feels like he is moving more in the "angry reactions = more views" direction. I've picked up several games just by watching him play them (including Shadow of War) and have realized he's probably messing up at his games on purpose just to cause more of a scene and generate more views. Prak Jaws will forever be immortal though. I look forward to meeting you again on the field, no matter which sides we are on!
Good vid. Yesterday I invaded a host and his phantom at dragon barracks. They refused to play the level and just stayed at the bonfire so I decided I would torture them with the milwood greatwood. After literally 35 minutes of staying around the bonfire getting hit by greatarrows the host killed himself. Could have saved as a lot of time if he had done that from the start.
To people who complain about invasions: Dark Souls isn't a friendly MMO. The game Idea is to be hard. When you ember up and summon someone to help you, the game becomes way easier. Invasions are there to *balance* it. That's why you get invaded even when playing offline (if you are embered up) by NPCS at certain areas. Don't wanna deal with other players? Play offline. NPC invaders are easy to kill. Wanna play with a friend? Then suck it up and accept the fact that you *will* get invaded, and *you* are the wrong one for complaining about a mechanic that is in the franchise since the first game
Well, the same applies to Invaders, right? You can't complain about a host who hides, has overleveled password summons or uses stalling tactics because that's the game. They aren't cheating or anything, they're being dicks. Hosts as well as Invaders are free to not participate. Are those things "dishonorable"? I dunno, people always say anything goes in invasions and there isn't any honor being shown in most invasion "greatest hits" montages. Complaining about this shit just makes people look like they're salty as fuck, which would probably make the hosts who behave this way pretty happy. Neither invader nor host has anything to complain about unless it's net lag.
I tried your moonlight knigth build but istead of 60 int i went with 60 fth and the Wolnir's meme sword.. BOI, the ar is low (467) but i really like it.. id like to see you giving it a try.. don't let me suffer alone.
Just use a lightning claymore bro... No need for the agony you're bringing upon yourself. And if you really wanna be a hipster use a blessed drakeblood gs or smth.
wait the wolnir is trash? holy shit my faith build i used to run through the ringed city fucking loved that thing (60 faith, and practically could'nt carry anything over the 13/13/, actually in fact HE COULDNT) it pairs great with the lightning arrow and a light crossbow and etheral shield, just making them impatient and simply slamming into with a 300+ lighting spell, then slamming the wolnir into them twice, AND THEN BOLTING THEM IN THE BACK WITH 120+ SHOT! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! then again that was when ringed first came out so maybe i missed reading a nerf or whatnot but i havnt seen much a change right now on my new faith toon (which kinda sucks to redo since its because i got a new comp)
Did this boi just say *drakeblood isnt as pretty?* YOU SEE THAT SLEEK BLADE? THAT MAJESTIC POMMEL? THAT EXTRAVAGANT CROSSGUARD? THIS IS HERESY OF THE HIGHEST ORDER!
I miss Demon's Souls invasions, 1v1 and you both had everything to gain, and everything to lose. Best man walks away. Had maybe 3 bad invaders and 1 bad host in the 200+ hours I dumped into that game.
Hell yeah, man. That game was definitely rough around the edges in a lot of ways, but PvP was fun as hell regardless of how broken it could be. It felt like people actually avoided using broken or overpowered shit for the most part because most of us had one thing in mind: fun. Fun over victory. Demon's Souls Remastered when?
Came back to this a year later, and it all still rings true. God bless the Dark Souls community, the more we change, the more we stay the same. It's pretty great. Don't forget your roots... Because like roots, they bear ever downwards. *Verticality.*
I think I've found myself on the receiving end of a situation like this a few times... I'm mainly a PvE player, and 90% of my characters are casters. The only moments where I've ever went to resummon my password summon that I was co-oping with is when I'm invaded by low-level invaders on the high wall that are using dark hands. When you're playing a caster, and they roll through everything, there's really not much else you can do. Add to that the fact that dying on the high wall is more punishing because if you keep dying to those kinds of invaders, you may run out of the very few embers you have, and you've got one of my least favorite locations in the game. Any other location, and I get invaded, I'm completely fine with it. I'll fight to the death. I've got enough embers, and I don't spend much in the way of souls, unless I have enough for quite a few levels (though I do try to have very few souls on me if I can) So really my only gripe with PvP are low level invaders with dark hands. Still, I like me some PvP, and for that I have specific builds to use for that, but when I'm playing a PvE oriented Caster, where I typically have high int/faith at the cost a lot of vigor, and spells attuned more for taking on mobs, I wind up with a recipe for disaster. I guess it doesn't help that Casting is more difficult to effectively do in this game compared to the other souls titles. Anyway, I enjoyed the video saint, and you earned a sub
If Central Irithyll isnt notorious for this kinda garbo host behavior, Im George Washington. I had a similar face off against a summoner class and his phantom army. They sat by the bonfire for around 40 minutes while I shot greatbows down on them trying to get them to play the game while they did their little point downs and welcome spam. After another 15 minutes of baiting them out and killing a few phantoms host pulls the plug anyway. Unfrigginbelievable- get off it dude
How he understands dying but the host dont? He doesnt, he understands that he loses nothing for dying as a summon, i bet if he was the host he would be playing exactly like the host... Great vid man
Vitor Vena how long have you been playing ds3 ? The phantom was smart, if he was to just "die" like you said the invader would get 2 estus and if he bc out the invader won't get anything.
Gulrez syed ur so pathetic, came here to defend a lil bitch of a host and a "smart" phantom whos just another player being a coward, not only that u just start with "how long u been playing DS3" cus that makes sense, and yet u say when a phantom dies the invader gets 2 estus, i would ask how long u been playing but thats irrelevant and i could really care less about u stupid ass but still, here we are...
Gulrez syed oh so the point now is about my reply being a rant? And u judge it by how long it is? Oh ok, then its a rant, i could really care less The fact that ur changing topics just means u dont have more arguments to talk so why dont u do us both a favor and move on with your stupid life... Or come back and say that im crying again cus thats a smart argument right? Its the only one u have...
i just got done with 2 back to back invasions that were both a half hour plus. thought about bc'ing out so many times but i didn't. this resonates with me like nothing else rn. this fucking guy was in TRC and had his 2nd phantom RUN TO WHERE HE WAS IN THE LEVEL TO PUT HIS SUMMON SIGN DOWN LIKE 5 TIMES. that dude earned his pointdown and honestly, i'd spit in his face irl if i met him.
I commend your attitude Saint. I've had many hosts try to train me around the fountain at Central Irithyll. If you can't win, don't play the game. Forcing the host to play the entirety of the level is genius.
He said that was the point himself. To ruin the other person's fun. You sound really salty about having a hard time invading people who won't lay down and die for you. Maybe you should play offline.
+tenalpoen You misunderstand me. 4v1 is unfair. But thats how invasions usually go. ''Intended'' Myazaki would say. BUT if i kill said 3 Phantoms, and even 3 Phantoms + 2 Blade of Darkmoons... And you STILL have the effrontery to resummon your Bro's right back, thats the exact point where i just turn on godmode and teleport stunlock in cheatengine. If you cant even win against a single Invader 4v1 in a Game which is supposed to be hard, you should play offline.
Hi, first souls game for me. I learned most of this stuff and later maximized efforts from watching these vids so good job on that. Keep up the good work.
I honestly hate that stuff “oh yeah I beat dark souls one of the HARDEST games out there” I’m sure it’s very hard for you when you sit in a safe room and wait for your over leveled phantoms to clear the level.
That’s what I always wondered about gankers: how do they feel good about being carried through? I used summons on some bosses (also used Yuria and the pale shade on SoC) and I felt good, but felt waaay better after not summoning for any boss on NG+ (except NK but I eventually was able to solo him on another character) which is basically the point of playing DKS, to overcome the challenge
Hah, try Demons Souls. No more online, and has been pretty dead even before the announced deadline for the servers. Trying to solo nay boss will put the player into a frenzy. That's why the common excuse is that they have no reason to buy it, or assume a remaster is supposed to show, which still might happen... They want to be in close proximity to a CoOp phantom to take all the damage.
My longest invasion in dark souls 3 was invading at the bridge in the painted world, waiting for the host at the bridge while hiding, destroying the bridge which killed his phantom, waiting at the top for the host and his resummoned phantom to get back up from the ice crab area and then killing the host at the ridge leading to the corvian settlement. All of this took 40+ minutes and all of this was worth it.
I had a host yesterday with 3 phantoms i killed his phantoms he runs and hide's i then spend the next 45 min's looking for him and killing 17 blue phantoms in the process...dark souls 3 for you.
Salty reddit post incoming about how invaders hide behind mobs and don´t engage the party... This host is mesmerisingly coward. Dark Souls 3 should have an obligatory solo pvp fight even if heavy lopsided in favor of the host at the beginning of the game (kind of a Iudex Gundyr meets solo spear of the church) or have more incentives to invade. A big part of the hate toward invaders and pvp´rs is that people say they don´t like pvp but they never tried it...and people hate what they don´t understand...Rant over. Anyway, great vid Saint!
Yeah they do need more bosses like Gundyr you can't summon for. I actually have a handful of friends who never got into DS3 because they couldn't beat gundyr.
I don't know if you read these, but I said something to you in stream about the siegbraus and blessings. I've seen dudes take siegbraus with full estus available (not joking). I wanted to say thank you for playing the game without cheating and glitches and how you treat solo host and "casual" players. You brought this game back to life for me and I'm grateful.
You invaded. They did not summon you. This is Dark souls. When invading you never know how the outcome is going to be, that's the fun part of invading. But instead of having fun with it (like they probably did). You choose to record and whine about it. If you want certain rules to apply, go and join a duel or something.
It's not that he was really complaining, (even though there were a few parts where he may have) he was making a point. This game isn't completely centered around PvP, but the invader is the one looking for it. And if you get invaded, you either, be a dick and do what this host did, OR, be a man and fight your fight; not let your buddy do it for you. And as he said in the video, the summon was doing even more so, beating the entire area for the host, which, in Dark Souls, is dumb as hell. It's Dark Souls, prepare to fucking die.
i love invading on ds3 having super brave host with phantoms and blues as soon as hes alone im chasing him around the map till he resummons and is brave again
Yeah but everyone was trash at souls games pvp, when they first started playing them. Also you have to remember, most often those better players not only have the expierince, but now in its maturity of the game, they often have +3 rings, a better variety of useful rings and equipment, and a build purpose designed for that level range. I guarantee the host had none of the rings Saint was using. I like to do playthroughs and make builds pvping as I go as I have done this many times, lost count of the number of slots I deleted. I am nearly always underpowered as a host and a blue against the number of twinks the game has in its maturity. It's still fun tho. The host is entilled to play as he wants..
yeah I was trash at PvP when I first started souls games *which is why I took opportunities to fight invaders when I had them* some of the best memories I have of these games are from scripted NPC invasions, I wish other people had a similar experience.
This video was on my recommended home tab thing, I started watching and immediately noticed the FF9 music! My #1 favorite FF that is terribly underrated!! You earned my sub.
I think they didn't rush in to kill you because you were hiding amongst the enemies, making them play more cautiously. They had to consider the attacks of the others, not to mention that Burning Stake Witch which can hit with fire from a very long range. Those and Pontiff Knights can be deadly if left alone in a close proximity while attention is on someone else, and I saw the phantom try picking some of them off because he realized they were gonna make fighting properly impossible. That's why the phantom wound up playing a lot of the level, because the enemies get in the way of fighting invaders and the phantom had nothing to lose, and a lot of the times the phantom died was with the enemies being used against him or attacking him when he was trying to slowly chip away at the level's enemies. I feel like they were by the bonfire at the start, deciding how to deal with this situation. Why the host didn't use the item that turns enemies on invaders, I don't know. But when you invade someone's world, it's your choice to invade them, so there's no real use complaining about what experience they put you through. The host could've quit out of the game to preserve their souls, enemies killed, and ember status, so ultimately they were in control of the situation if they really wanted it to end sooner. That said, yeah all evidence points to the host being very incompetent. I completed Irithyll solo with full HP, FP, and Estus. Think a blue one was missing. They may have been a young kid or someone not very experienced, having their friend basically do it for them for the most part. They definitely didn't look as good as the phantom. Even with the host having far more to lose (the level resetting and all the enemies the phantom worked hard to kill respawning), he could've gone along to help kill the enemies at least. But maybe he was staying by the bonfire a lot to continuously summon his phantom friend who was knowingly going on a suicide mission each time he ran the level to basically get ganked. He was a trooper.
I also think the phantom had less qualms with dying because as long as the host is alive, they can just resummon them. If the host dies, the map resets. Not like they were very far anyway. At least not at first, but after a while, the map was getting more cleared, so it makes sense why the less skilled host hung back while sending the phantom to whittle you down while slowly clearing the level at no risk of the host dying. In truth it was the host's mistake to eventually join the phantom, because that's when he died and the enemies (and therefore all progress) reset, making the entire encounter up until then ultimately amount to nothing.
I mean, staying at the bonfire and running to and from the bonfire, it's entirely a PvP spot, as long as the player didn't run up the stairs, his only fight would be the invader. There was no risk or challenge for the host.
Quite frankly you only wasted your own time doing this, Arena is the place for normal 1v1s. As an invader anyone would know you arent always going to get what you want. Including a host that wants anything to do with you. Thats just how it is.
he didn't want a normal 1v1, you completely missed the point of what he was saying. It's not that he wanted a one on one fair fight, its that the host WOULD NOT fight him at all, instead he's abusing the summoning mechanics and rolling, to waste time until he can get his phantom back into his world, while hes right by the bonfire and will lose nothing if he dies. like saint said, he meta gaming, hes playing the system, not the actual game.
JunoJupiter GLRR. Of course you have all the time in the world you smoke weed. At that point if you smoke weed or do any form of any drug you already have no life.
JunoJupiter GLRR It is a drug technically, but tea is also a drug, as well as coffee and if your definition is broad enough then video games and music are too. Nothing wrong with doing drugs, can be a very good time as long as it's responsible use.
Haha hour invasion, good stuff! Might have to change your recording settings to 1 hour if more of these happen! I had a 29.50 invasion the other day, my recording time is set to 30 min too, killed 6 or so blues and then the hidden host 'lost connection' I always do the same thing and play like an asshole if they drag it out - I've gone over half an hour and missed the start of the invasion on the recording quite a few times but never made an hour yet. Lol keep editing this as it gets further in, this is one of my favourite of your videos man. When people try and play 'Yeah You Beat Me, But Can You Kill Me' I'll play that game for as long as it takes and you are completely right - it's a whole different invasion, glad to have an actual phrase for them now! I'd say these are possibly the ones which provide the very sweetest of victories.
GG saint, nice satisfying ending that point down was well earned. The sad thing is though is that the host probably didn't learn anything from that encounter :( They are just too scared of being dominated by another player that playing super passive will be a hard habit to break.
Well, sometimes you invade a escort host, with his three friends... so not surprised. and i sometimes thinking to make a NG+ playthrough with only healing spells and my randoms phantoms. I already have try a only ashen estus run with dried fingers and whay of the blue, it was painful with some bosses becauses i had for rule to kill every ennemy mob before the bossgate, so invasions, and then only after that the boss itself, with no summons. oh wait i remember, didn't finish this run :D
@oldrabidone I strongly disagree here. Saint here behaved parallel to the way the streamer behaved towards you the other day. You can play however you want and you can't force anyone to play the game your way. I understand the need to put that coward of a host down but we are invaders, not the Miyazaki police.
I certainly have the patience, but I just don't have the free time for that kind of play. I wish I did though, I love fucking with people every now and then.
Lol, I refer you to J Blackmel, Invade Like and Invader and Duel like a Duelist. Case in point. There are no rules in an invasion, the host played how he wanted to play and has no obligation to play how you want him to play. You wanted the salty win or bitter survival meta game so much you chose to hang around. Criticising the host for refusing to die, when you are refusing to black crystal, is totally hypocritical. People don't have to play as you would prefer. So a noob host wants a friend to tour him through the game, he picked up on sale, and help him battle experienced twink builds along the way. Good for them, I am just happy that they are showing an interest in the series. I love invading and I love being invaded, and I love a metagame of attrition myself, if its something you don't enjoy, don't do it, you have the means to crystal out and find a squad playing with less regard to surviving. You have means to duel in arena and pontiff. Imo the host and phantom have the right to play the game they want, and you the invasion you want, neither of you did anything wrong. What you don't like other may like. To me every invasion is a gift with its own rhythm, in a situation like this one, if I didn't have the time or inclination to play the long game I could either crystal out but most likely I would have just been more aggressive knowing it would most likely get me killed, after all what does a death mean in dark souls to me? Then I would have been off to the next invasion. You are being very hypocritical in your view here imo. So long as people are not hacking, I am happy for them to play as they wish, yourself included. Love your vids, but your opinion is based on what you like and how you would like people to play, which is meaningless to people outside a community. Fromsoft rules apply.
Yeah but so is Saint, by that measure and how do you know the host is wasting his time, he might be loving it, and learning the area and learning about Saint as an invader and enjoying the challenge of clearing the level with an invader pressing and harrying the pve progress?
Nackinoo he’s not, you can obviously see as the phantom clears the area for the host. It’s not about what the invader wants, you’re right, but if you’re beat, you’re beat. If you honestly think that playing this way is fair, how it was meant to be played, that it’s *balanced*, then that’s just a tad silly.
Big ol THICC Who said I think it's balanced or how the game was intended to be played? Mostly the game is intended to be played, without interaction with Friends, but people still like to play that way which is why password summons were introduced. Should from have balanced that better? Imo yes, in a situation like this where summon cool down is not applicable, they should loose priority on way of the blue and gain priority for additional invaders. That is a from soft balance. That is fair to critique. Should a big brother be able to hang out on line with his little bro and take him on a tour of the game, and come up with the plan they choose, completely. Maybe the phantom is just try to power level a twink, with his gf controlling the Second character. Maybe it's too friends who now live a long way apart, drinking and chatting on ps4 and just going through the game. Decided to deal with Saint that way. Who knows. People don't always have the same motivations as others, we can never really know, but it's not fair to critique how someone chooses to play the game. It's up to them, join a fight club for meta rules. It saints choice to engaged and his own meta rules that stop him crystalling or attempting a clinch chase down. Is all I am saying. Look at someone like Chase the Bro. his attitude to invading is much different to this, he looks for ganks, and will crystal away without a thought if he doesn't want the chase down challenge. Alot of this is in the mind and attitude of the invader and not the invaded, is all I am saying.
Nackinoo alrighty, I see where you’re coming from. Fair enough. I see how situation matters. Very fair enough. But what if you can tell the situation? I play Xbox, so when I’m looking for groups to hang with, I see loads of people setting up ganks with strangers. That’s where it’s more understandable to play like riot, I think. I dunno. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Big ol THICC Well I don't see anything wrong with the way Saint played it all either. I just didn't really agree with his logic justifications about them being the ones prolonging the encounter. Actually I would probably have don't similar, but actually would have enjoyed it perhaps a bit more, than Saint seems to have. No justifications required imo. I just wandered if the motivation for his his post commentary is because he really doesn't want people playing that way and didn't enjoy the invasion. In which case he, really didn't have to play it, 😂. Or he really did enjoy the invasion and the rant is to justify his own enjoyment of playing like he did, because he felt he needed to? (Not to me he didn't).
''They love PvP when there's 3 of them, as a matter of fact they can't get enough of it'' hahahaha
It's extremely frustrating to fight a Necromancer and his 3 zombies that he can just resummon. Especially if he's already cleared the dungeon and taken the best loot before fighting you. Luckily town portal scroll can be cast without getting stunned if you use Perseverence quickly enough.
also if you use perseverance people stop attacking you and back off for a moment
"A Necromancer and 3 zombies" I am totally fucking using this term now
I've never seen someone perseverance into black crystal. galaxy brain plays
Firekeeper Wolf Was going more for Diablo II, but M&M also applies.
Diablo but also applies to MaM
While I understand your "You beat me but can you kill me?" attitude, the amount of times you killed that phantom with that host doing absolutely nothing even if you had died they definitely didn't beat you.
Invasions like this aren't so bad when you get so many fights and kills that way. Not like you get much from killing the host.
Kaiser Willy
Gratification dude
Heard of it?
Salted. Not like you don't get that from killing so many phantoms
@@Kapita_Lismus true but that point down on a host like that is just.. MMMM
This is nihilism put to practice
Mateus Viegas we believe in nahzing Lebowski.
It’s the same way I live. You just build up such a resentment towards life that you persevere and push yourself to success through sheer willpower. If only for no other reason than to spite existence itself, or in this case, the host
Reminds me of the invasion I had in the library, A whole platoon of summons and a very smart partner in crime, eventually I got him into a party and we kept using each other as bait for traps. Eventually we managed to get the host alone in a corner, and since I was running a STR build I used a great sheild to trap him in with my partner as he went crazy with a longsword. By far one of the best ones Ive had to date, also the longest.
Killed him like assassinating a Roman emperor.
Epic body block strats
Why would you buy Dark Souls 3 and then have your friend play it for you, I don't understand some people
So they can post on Reddit about how they “finally beat dark souls 3” and receive accolades and congratulations for their empty achievement.
+HalozillaEX
That's so true !, i see these people in reddit. so cancer
Talk about a hollow victory
hollow victory...?
Especially when the friend is sl9000
I love the text at the bottom. "Summoning _another_ phantom...", like even the game is sick of their shit.
Best part: you killed him inches away from the elevator shortcut and he has to (or rather his level 800 phantom has to) do virtually the whole level over again. Testicular cancer.
I had a guy at Pontiff that was trying to play hide and seek or something, he had no armor so he could run fast and the obscuring ring so he could get away easily. So he would just run to a corner where we couldn't see him and wait for blues to summon. Then after he had a bunch of blues, he'd put on all his armor and weapons and join the gank squad. I got ganked once, but I was determined to kill him. I invaded him again and decided to play his game with no armor and the obscuring ring. I still killed a bunch of blues along the way, and eventually they stopped showing up. After almost an hour and a half of running around the map, I finally caught him and chased him until he decided to jump off a ledge. So I literally chased him around until he died of boredom, but it was worth every second of it.
Indiana Jones Sounds like a severe waste of time. You didn't even kill him.
Sounds like the host got exactly what he wanted. Good for him.
@@0816M3RC Oh yeah, totally. It's not like the point of games is to have fun or anything. No, that's ridiculous. Winning is all that matters. Yup, for sure man. You just get it.
“Invaders are such cowards! Stop hiding behind mobs and fight like real men!”
I wonder how many of the players who say shit like that act like the host in this video.
pretty much every invader who's about to die. the argument is twofold u have hosts that hide behind phantoms and u have invaders doing the exact same thing with mobs. everyone does it, the creator of the vid does it, i do it, if u say u dont ur just a big fat liar. We all wanna win, im nt saying everyone is as scummy as this host was. but we'll at least try to win, no matter the strategy (both hosts and invaders).
The Mpror I don’t hide behind mobs, I hide in a white branch
@@Mecha_Hitler Yes im sure u nvr run towards the safety of mobs when your low on health.. btw as far as tactics goes, hiding with a white branch isnt more or less honourable then hiding behind a mob.. its just that, a tactic/strategy like any other.
@@Mecha_Hitler gr8 joke...
@@Mecha_Hitler Are you sure you aren't hiding in your Mecha Fuhrer Bunker?
atleast the phantom had fun. Look at that boy go.
Some say he's still waggling his Greatsword to this day.
Damn, that part about you expressing "if they would just chase me down at the same time, I would die" really meant a lot to me. Because it shows if the host wasn't such a paranoid coward, they could of ended up beating you and carrying on. But because of the host refusing, they wasted an hour of their time and you killed the host anyhow. Goes to show ...
If you can't get away, die fighting. Or just fight because why are you running away in a 1v1??
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This is one of the most important commentary videos about invasions ever made. One thing I wonder about is how and why this kind of host was introduced into an invader's daily experience with DkS 3. Because I honestly think that is the case. Hosts in DkS 1 and 2 wanted to survive too, they ran, they chugged, they hid, they ganked. All good. But this kind of host who does *nothing* on his own, completely evades any form of PvP unless it's a 3v1 minimum, etc. is definitely a new thing starting with this game. Why? Is it the game mechanics? The appeal to a broader mass of gamers? Why? I really want to know.
Also, I'm dying to hear what you wanted to say about your and my understanding of "tryhard" invasions. I think you wanted to expand on that when you were talking about my recent video, but then (understandably) changed the topic back to what was happening. Would you mind explaining what it was you wanted to say there?
Why does this happen now? I think it's for 2 main reasons:
1. Password summoning
2. Ability to summon phantoms outside your level range
That means that anyone with a friend in DS can gank, and infinitely resummon. I don't believe this combination of features ("features") existed in any game prior.
Basically your version of try hard is going into an invasion with the best tools and build for the job. This character can't do that. So my version of try hard is showing you every plunge attack trap in the level over the course of an hour.
Ah, I see. Thank you for elaborating!
I have had similar scenarios in Dark souls 2. Really annoying in the levels where you can get trapped in an area which the host has to traverse to complete the level, but he decides to stay in the area you can't reach him. They would often just send white phantoms at me forever while staying at the safe place. One of the reasons dark souls 3 and 2 has more of this compared to dark souls 1 is because summoning people is more consistent.
Also rolling costs way less stamina now so rolling forever is way more viable.
that's a really good point about metagaming in tabletop RPGs. it's like breaking the fourth wall, doing shit that seems inconsistent with roleplaying. like you're pretending to be a fantasy character in an imaginary universe that's ostensibly similar to the real world. but in order to model that world the game has to boil it down to simple mechanics like rolling dice and shit. the character you're roleplaying isn't supposed to know the damage he deals is subject to the random whims of dice. if he knew that shit it would disrupt the fantasy. it's kind of like players on a roleplaying server in WoW talking about boss mechanics in terms of numbers and shit. there's sort of a line between roleplaying tactics and metagame tactics, i guess. obviously in tabletop RPGs it's something that a small group of players mutually agree on, if you don't want to constrain yourself like that you don't have to. same with WoW, most of the servers are not RP servers.
the trouble with games like dark souls is there is none of that segregation. and since people who overtly care about roleplaying are usually in the minority of any hobby they get pushed aside. but the truth is we all care about it to varying degrees, we just may not realize it. in dark souls 1 the reason most players complain about backstabs is not because they're cheap or they're unfair. after all, everyone has access to them and they are mechanically very deep and skill-testing. the reason people complain about it is because it's super meta. the actual chosen undead isn't supposed to know jack shit about chain backstabs and backstab canceling and toggle escapes. and all of those things look incredibly unrealistic in a game that's supposed to have realistic graphics and relatively normal laws of physics. it's really disturbing to the illusion of reality the game is presenting. it feels fickle and arbitrary because the animations suddenly stop and players teleport and it's not clear how it works. that doesn't mean there isn't a method to the madness that you can learn, it just means that the method is not at all intuitive.
some players don't mind this very much. but even people who love dark souls 1 pvp would probably prefer it if the game's most important pvp mechanics (the shit at the top of the learning curve, the things that define the game's best players) didn't look completely out of place with the rest of the game and didn't appear so jarring and impossible. they would most likely prefer it if, instead of learning backstab cancelling, they had to learn some mechanics about wielding their sword in a different way or combining certain maneuvers in the right order. if these things weren't important, then why would game developers bother implementing shit that looks logical at all? why bother making street fighter moves make any fucking sense? why not just make everyone a fucking triangle and make the whole game about spinning your triangle at just the right speed to flip the opponent triangle into the air or something. the reason street fighter exists at all is because people like the mechanics to be intuitive. punching and kicking are real things and they behave the way you'd expect them to. even the magical shit behaves in an intuitive way. street fighter is especially popular because most of its really skill-testing mechanics look entirely consistent with the laws and aesthetics of the fictional universe it's set in. there are a few little tricks that get into weird territory but they are much more subtle than dark souls 1's issues.
anyway i love pvping in these games but i completely understand why so many people don't. the simplest way i can put it is that the metagame is just way too far removed from the actual game. a testament to that is the fact that most of the skill-testing mechanics (meaning the things that "pro pvpers" do that normal players don't) are basically overlooked or even unintended consequences of mechanics playing poorly together, and are things that were removed or at least intentionally rebalanced in later games. like nobody at from soft wanted chain backstabs that you had to do really unintuitive things to avoid (like standing perfectly still, which most of the game teaches you is a really un-safe thing to do). so those kinds of things will turn a lot of people off, everyone has a certain tolerance for this kind of thing, we're all on a spectrum. the games that get this really right are more popular because fewer people rule them out. dark souls is mostly a PVE game so it never suffered much for it. but from soft knew it would be even better if it made sure the most important mechanics were less jarring and less disruptive to the fantasy, and that's why many of these issues were progressively removed in later games. dark souls 3 still has some of these issues but they're much less obvious and less extreme in appearance, and from what i've said it should be pretty clear it's mostly about appearances. it's like if you're trying to play dungeons & dragons and your buddy says he's wearing a hot dog costume. it's not like it ruins the game, it just disrupts the fantasy. it's out of place.
I think it's simply an ego thing in that they think losing is beneath them and they deserve the win. Which frankly couldn't really be anymore detached from the overall reality of the series.
"Hey this game I've been playing is really fun your friends play the entire level for you and deal with invaders
The fact that you can just power through an hour of that shit is inspiring to me
Meme Lord Thomas it’s the same way I get through life. You just have to build up such a resentment towards life (or in this case the host) that you persevere and drive yourself to success just through sheer willpower, for no other reason than to spite existence itself (or the host)
This comment is how I live my life.
I legit stopped in the middle of singing love songs to my big tiddy goth girlfriend to watch this video, Saint. It'd best be good.
EDIT: It was good
You've excellent taste in women sir.
Bruv your gey u hav no big tiddy goth gf lmao
Sounds like the best kind of gf tbh
>having a fake 3D gf
>not having a fake 2D gf
sir I think you need to leave
yung malaria
>implying I've not got both
Fucking casuls...
I think anyone who tries to defend this host's behaviour clearly hasn't actually done any invasions in Dark Souls 3. As much as I love the game, the amount of host advantage players receive is amazingly worse than any other title in the series.
That's why I love the way you played this out, Saint. You said that other Dark Souls invaders are better at PvP than you, and that may be true, but I think this video proves you are a far better invader. As an invader myself, being patient and doing what you do is literally how I win most of my fights. There's too many variables in Ds3. Resummons, laggy netcode, Seed of the Tree Giant, and the huge potential for Blue Spirits in a world that already has 3 White Phantoms make invasions an absolute chore. A fun one, sure, but still, a chore. Playing safe, and waiting for the host to screw up is how you win these fights, and I commend you on your ability to keep it up for an entire hour.
After all, we are basically Myazaki's tortured slaves. Because of the insurmountable host advantage, Our job in Dark Souls 3 is literally just to waste time, and hinder the host any way we can.
Great video, Saint. Keep preaching the truth about the Dark Souls 3 invasion community.
Losing souls hasn't been that big of a deal since soul memory...
DeeperHavoc this
You gained my respect.
plus you only lose soul memory if you lose your bloodstain a second time without picking it up, which i've found very easy in ds2 and ds3, also both games throw plenty of rings of sacrifices/life protection if you urgently need to not lose those souls
Soo can we see an unedited version too just so we can truly understand the pain of these invasions?
Zephyr_720 I think you would be able to see yourself and have in the past if you do enough PvP (like 10 matches lol)
*host's phantom dies*
Host: Yeah, you beat me. But can you do THIS!?!?
*furiously mashes finger against the roll button*
Metagame is still a perfectly functional word and the D&D days are today's days. For shame.
Curtis Robison I'M SORRY carving
Love ya saint. I'm just pedantic.
Came back to watch this gem video. Always good content
The phantom looks like he actually knows how to have FUN during an invasion.
I have no clue why people are so damn scared of pvp in a game where death doesn't really matter. They were just wasting their own time by refusing to fight you.
Seriously. The levels are mostly pretty short and straightforward with few real hazards, the enemies aren't nearly as punishing for people who run by them or roll away to heal, and there are bonfires everywhere. On top of that, if you do end up losing souls and embers, you can very easily just get more. DS3 has the least amount of risk of any Dark Souls game when it comes to dying lol.
depends if they have their x souls waiting for them in the boss room. if they have their entire souls waiting for them somewhere and somehow they tell me that. ill gladly let them take the souls.
This is legit every fxcking invasion I have.
This shit reminds me of when i invaded at SL351+. I was in Gank city and instead of a 3v3, its a 4v1. So i decide to wait it out at the long ladder and use the Ring of Flavor glitch. I was able to kill a few phantoms. One of the dark summons sends me a message to see if i was the guy in the world. We talk back and forth for awhile, no salt or anything at all. Like 15 minutes pass and the host ends up dieing. Point of the story is 351+ is fuckin cancer and you gotta fuck cancer with cancer sometimes.
Serbian Crusader I was doing Pontiff invasions at 40s bracket. Ganks are much less there at lower level but it still happens. I smacked down like 4 gank squads with that RoF shit lmao
yeah what do you expect from over leveled PvP lol
351+ PvP is surprisingly fun though, I just started doing it a few days ago and it's been like a breath of fresh air compared to the SL20 and SL120 invasions I had been doing.
I've watched this video a bunch of times, I love it. The funniest part to me is that the host was so horrible that he died like a bitch against regular mobs when he finally got the courage to do something instead of letting his phantom do all the work. You can't sink lower than that.
"I have no interest in PvP"
then go offline
What if I want to play with my friend, huh smartass?
Then accept the fact that you're going to be invaded. It's always been a part of the game. Besides, if there's two of you, one invader shouldn't be a problem.
Guess it sucks that people are shitty. Dunno what else to say man haha
Of course the invader's gonna go and hide behind mobs. How else is he supposed to even out the odds? Is he just supposed to fight a 1v2 fight head-on and die?
No, I'm already at a disadvantage from invading, even in a 1v1 situation (Host gets double the amount of estus, he has 30% more health than usual, etc.). If I want to have a fair fight, I'll just go to the arena. I'm not afraid to die 1v2, but I'm playing to my strengths as an invader to better improve my odds. If anything, the host and summon should at least attempt to make progress in the level, especially in the circumstances when there's 2 or even 3 summons. Invaders are so gimped in this game already, but you want me to make it easy for the host by fighting him and his summon 1v2? Why can't they come to me naturally by progressing through the level and let me set up an ambush? Why can they slow-play it but I can't?
I’d probably have sat through the entire hour and enjoyed every minute, because I derive a disgusting type of pleasure from the idea that a host is out there somewhere and scared that he might have to kill 12 more enemies before he can afford that Undead Legion set he been saving up for.
Great vid, saint!
Nino The Human You. I like you.
Nino The Human I love rocking that Undead Legion GS but discovered the Dragonslayer Great Axe recently
BalistikBaritoz You must be new to the game
Nino The Human When you can literally get the set after you kill the Watchers because you usually don't level up til after Wolnir when you make a new character.
Ethan Hernandez wym
only times i think black crystal is justified is when its a 4v1 with overlevel password summons. the host doesnt deserve the estus he gets from you dying.
And people wonder why I like the firewitches much. They put in a lot of work if you let them. Good work Saint. You pulled off one hell of a mental triathlon.
I really like invasions, as soon I'm invaded I wait for the player and jumps off nearest cliff - all for denying them the kill, I take away the fun and they're salt for the lack of engagement and time wasted. It's perfect.
Using a slightly modified version of your build, I've found that a good spear (Lothric War Banner, in my case) + Avelyn gets rid of those kinds of Hosts. I never use the Avelyn on regular Hosts, since this is pretty heavy twinking, but gankers, "roll spammers", and runners are fair game.
Also, the Avelyn is perfect for those situations like at 3:00 where the Phantom rolls away with just a sliver of health.
I think his point was to waste their time like they're wasting his, not to DESTROY THEIR PUNY ASSES but still a good build regardless
"This is also the point, where the Host gets their shit pushed in, and their fuckin' corpse pointed at, because that's what they deserve." Holy shit what a line.
If you invade someone I don't think you can complain they're wasting *your* time.
Not Space Ghost He wasn't complaining. He accepted it and started to waste their time. Also the host had multiple chances to 1v1 meters next to the bonfire
no it's more like "if between you(host) and your phantom at least one of you isn't new to dark souls, you shouldn't complain about invasions being a problem if then you keep them this long"
i complain about invasions because they can waste too much time for new players who bought the game for co-oping on their first playthrough(meaning on console it can even cost you actual real money in certain cases due to monthly subscriptions), and what the host did here is exactly what he should not have, he wasted so much time that at that point he probably didn't care about not going forward in the game anymore.
Not Space Ghost Sure you can. This host played like an enormous coward and wasted his time.
iota-09 this isnt a traditional co op game. If there were no invaders co-op would be laughably easy. If you dont like it, dark souls isnt for you
Invader Mook don't misunderstand me, i like invasions, but not on my First playthrough, not when i'm going through it fully co-op, for irythill and anor londo i'll have to skip like that.
Only disagreement i have is running back to the bonfire being useless.
The more souls you have on you, the more alluring of an idea it is to go back to a bonfire to get it all back safely and quickly.
It's not hard to get souls, sure. But it's tedious to get back large quantities that you owned.
EDIT: First heart i ever got! \ :D / Guess i should do something nice back. Uhmm...Oh, of course: Good video, i actually did learn a few things.
Bigby Boss yeah to be fair it is just the smartest play. And while it is a nuisance, you can't really hate on it.
That said, just running away for the 2 minutes and 20 seconds it takes to resummon with out even trying to fight, that's just cancer.
I guess i took your argument in the video on a more personal level, with my personality in the game being a person who just tries to fight.
If there's one spot i dislike, it's the Wyvern bridge in Lothric Castle. So having my souls on the safe side is what i definitely prefer after losing to an invader.
@@Bossu but why loose to the invader?
Wait a second, there are invaders who disconnect when they are about to lose to a blue?
havent seen that yet in 1.500h of playtime but that doesnt mean a hole lot. ppl sometimes get salty. reds too^^
Saint "you know what I mean?" Riot.
"man 400$ for the console, 60$ for this game, and 12-60$ for the online subscription. Boy... I sure can't wait to have somebody else play this for me."
And now we have elden ring where every invasion is a gang situation and the host just sits back and spams spells.
Funny that you posted this today because I literally just fought a dude at Vordt that dragged out an invasion for like 45 minutes. I killed his blue while I only had 100 HP left and he just ran behind the Dancer’s fog wall and sat there. He had no estus and used a divine blessing. I kept hitting him through the door when he got close and eventually he ran out and I killed him.
Its just cuz he doesn't want to lose his ember and spend 3 minutes getting enough souls to buy a new one
-Mahatma Ghandi
Distinct lack of verticality...
You had an hour man. No excuses.
Sunlight Sage someone didn't watch the video.
And seven people up voted with watching too.
16:15
17:01
GET SCHOOLED SON I'M VERTICAL TILL THE DAY I DIE
With a whole hour of pvp you only plunged them twice? You disappointment me, son.
Also, here is the definition of lack i used.
Lack-- To be without, or _to have less than a desirable quantity of something_
Get poopied on nerd.
About 6 minutes in I am already frustrated with your lack of Sun Princess Ring to regenerate HP, Saint. I understand that by this point you're still not expecting an hour long fight, but even during _any_ slight attrition-based invasion (five minutes or higher in my opinion), Sun Princess makes a huge difference as it gets back a great deal more HP over that longer period, quite a bit moreso when stacked with an offhand Blessed infusion or even a Chime weapon art for any of those FAI or Dark builds.
Alright, now let's see how the rest of this turns out...
edit 1: Eight minutes in and you've handed the controller to St1cky, I see!
edit 2: Eleven-and-a-half minutes SUN PRINCESS RING THANK GOD. Also _holy shit this host_
edit 3: _oh shit my comment was predicted in advance, THAT INVADER-YOMI IN UA-cam COMMENTS THO_
edit 4: Fifteen minutes in, that phantom kill around the corner was _heavenly_ ♥♥♥ holy shit
edit 5: Finished. I'm still somewhat surprised that these sorts of players anger and frustrate you as much as they do. It's obvious that you and I invade for somewhat different reasons and with somewhat different intents; for me, this is the jackpot of invasions, the exact variety of player I want to meet in my adventures, because nothing pleases me more as an invader than having made a player witness the sight of Hell itself, and these are the sorts that are most vulnerable to such a showing of torment.
Thus, what you describe as "bitchy tryhard tactics", I define closer to normalcy. I'd have put on Sun Princess right off the bat in this invasion with the _initial intention_ to drag an invasion out as long as I can get it, rather than resign myself to that.
I agree with you that it is "wrong" of aspiring invaders to be offended when they get invasions that are meant to be dragged out long, nor do I defend a host that is going to let his summoned friend play the whole game for him, but for me, meeting these players and torturing them is the rule of invading, not the exception.
Because weak people are an _eyesore._
Thanks for the video, Saint, this was enjoyable.
THE WEAK SHOULD FEAR THE STRONG
Just shut up and release a new segment of your invasion character.
Dude I appreciate your admorability, but you could have done something else with your time my man 😂😂
Hey Akari, met you once on the wrong end of an invasion months ago. was helping a host deal with the dragons at lothric castle and already knew about you. was a level 70-90 str-faith build crusader of Oroboro (when that was still a thing). after seeing your name pop up on the screen with your signature yuria mask, understandably I was screwing up ALL of my commands as you dealt with me swiftly. my character's name was Crusader Camael. you might not remember me, and never had a chance to respond, but it was nice to meet you in person for about thirty seconds of crapping my pants.
Edit: also I have an invader build pure strength aptly named Kruk Blood-Axe after Satan in Uruk form in TearOfGrace's forging an army series. wouldn't mind if we met each other hunting the same prey. though my reasons for killing are almost purely based in bloodshed, eking out their pain into enjoyable fun. Favorite invasion spot would be Ariandel for sheer ascetic and the cheeky backstab area under the first snowfall cliff
I think I _barely_ remember that! I do seem to recall fighting a Crusader up near the dragons and it being a 1 v 2, I think that was back when I was Four Sword Akari. GG from months ago and thanks for supporting my work!
ToG can be hilarious at times but more and more it feels like he is moving more in the "angry reactions = more views" direction. I've picked up several games just by watching him play them (including Shadow of War) and have realized he's probably messing up at his games on purpose just to cause more of a scene and generate more views. Prak Jaws will forever be immortal though. I look forward to meeting you again on the field, no matter which sides we are on!
Good vid.
Yesterday I invaded a host and his phantom at dragon barracks. They refused to play the level and just stayed at the bonfire so I decided I would torture them with the milwood greatwood. After literally 35 minutes of staying around the bonfire getting hit by greatarrows the host killed himself.
Could have saved as a lot of time if he had done that from the start.
absolutely perfect soundtrack for this situation
To people who complain about invasions: Dark Souls isn't a friendly MMO.
The game Idea is to be hard. When you ember up and summon someone to help you, the game becomes way easier. Invasions are there to *balance* it. That's why you get invaded even when playing offline (if you are embered up) by NPCS at certain areas.
Don't wanna deal with other players? Play offline. NPC invaders are easy to kill. Wanna play with a friend? Then suck it up and accept the fact that you *will* get invaded, and *you* are the wrong one for complaining about a mechanic that is in the franchise since the first game
One shekel for you, friend.
while I agree with the point you're making... "hard"?
a fair challenge, I'd settle on. but "hard"?
Hard for people that are new to the soul series, I guess
"Friendly MMO"
Ever tried Guild Wars 2 PVP?
Good luck not receiving threats to your family for playing a "Cheap" class
Well, the same applies to Invaders, right? You can't complain about a host who hides, has overleveled password summons or uses stalling tactics because that's the game. They aren't cheating or anything, they're being dicks. Hosts as well as Invaders are free to not participate. Are those things "dishonorable"? I dunno, people always say anything goes in invasions and there isn't any honor being shown in most invasion "greatest hits" montages. Complaining about this shit just makes people look like they're salty as fuck, which would probably make the hosts who behave this way pretty happy. Neither invader nor host has anything to complain about unless it's net lag.
daamn dude, did this recently blow up in views? YT re:recomended it to me
same.. but i watched more of his videos lately so thats prob why.
100k is a lot though
when people say dark souls is a hard game, they don't mean the pve... in reality they mean being an invader
I tried your moonlight knigth build but istead of 60 int i went with 60 fth and the Wolnir's meme sword.. BOI, the ar is low (467) but i really like it.. id like to see you giving it a try.. don't let me suffer alone.
Just use a lightning claymore bro... No need for the agony you're bringing upon yourself. And if you really wanna be a hipster use a blessed drakeblood gs or smth.
Sunlight Sage They are just not as pretty as Wolnir's.. i really love the way it looks.. sadly it is in the *garbage* tier.. what a shame.
Lol ay look on the brightside 13 STR is the lowest str requirement for a greatsword in the game
wait the wolnir is trash? holy shit my faith build i used to run through the ringed city fucking loved that thing (60 faith, and practically could'nt carry anything over the 13/13/, actually in fact HE COULDNT) it pairs great with the lightning arrow and a light crossbow and etheral shield, just making them impatient and simply slamming into with a 300+ lighting spell, then slamming the wolnir into them twice, AND THEN BOLTING THEM IN THE BACK WITH 120+ SHOT! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
then again that was when ringed first came out so maybe i missed reading a nerf or whatnot but i havnt seen much a change right now on my new faith toon (which kinda sucks to redo since its because i got a new comp)
Did this boi just say *drakeblood isnt as pretty?*
YOU SEE THAT SLEEK BLADE?
THAT MAJESTIC POMMEL?
THAT EXTRAVAGANT CROSSGUARD?
THIS IS HERESY OF THE HIGHEST ORDER!
I miss Demon's Souls invasions, 1v1 and you both had everything to gain, and everything to lose. Best man walks away. Had maybe 3 bad invaders and 1 bad host in the 200+ hours I dumped into that game.
Hell yeah, man. That game was definitely rough around the edges in a lot of ways, but PvP was fun as hell regardless of how broken it could be. It felt like people actually avoided using broken or overpowered shit for the most part because most of us had one thing in mind: fun. Fun over victory.
Demon's Souls Remastered when?
@@absoutezeo2126 Glad you asked !
Came back to this a year later, and it all still rings true. God bless the Dark Souls community, the more we change, the more we stay the same.
It's pretty great. Don't forget your roots...
Because like roots, they bear ever downwards.
*Verticality.*
Mad covenant i play not to win but to make sure others lose
I think I've found myself on the receiving end of a situation like this a few times... I'm mainly a PvE player, and 90% of my characters are casters. The only moments where I've ever went to resummon my password summon that I was co-oping with is when I'm invaded by low-level invaders on the high wall that are using dark hands. When you're playing a caster, and they roll through everything, there's really not much else you can do. Add to that the fact that dying on the high wall is more punishing because if you keep dying to those kinds of invaders, you may run out of the very few embers you have, and you've got one of my least favorite locations in the game. Any other location, and I get invaded, I'm completely fine with it. I'll fight to the death. I've got enough embers, and I don't spend much in the way of souls, unless I have enough for quite a few levels (though I do try to have very few souls on me if I can) So really my only gripe with PvP are low level invaders with dark hands. Still, I like me some PvP, and for that I have specific builds to use for that, but when I'm playing a PvE oriented Caster, where I typically have high int/faith at the cost a lot of vigor, and spells attuned more for taking on mobs, I wind up with a recipe for disaster. I guess it doesn't help that Casting is more difficult to effectively do in this game compared to the other souls titles. Anyway, I enjoyed the video saint, and you earned a sub
I wish I could effectively do low lvl Invasions.
"High" Lord Wolnir I do believe you meant "Vape Lord Wolnir", the proper name for the boss.
This rant is glorious. Loved every second of it and would have listened to you talk about it for an hour too.
If Central Irithyll isnt notorious for this kinda garbo host behavior, Im George Washington. I had a similar face off against a summoner class and his phantom army. They sat by the bonfire for around 40 minutes while I shot greatbows down on them trying to get them to play the game while they did their little point downs and welcome spam. After another 15 minutes of baiting them out and killing a few phantoms host pulls the plug anyway. Unfrigginbelievable- get off it dude
How he understands dying but the host dont? He doesnt, he understands that he loses nothing for dying as a summon, i bet if he was the host he would be playing exactly like the host...
Great vid man
Vitor Vena how long have you been playing ds3 ? The phantom was smart, if he was to just "die" like you said the invader would get 2 estus and if he bc out the invader won't get anything.
Gulrez syed ur so pathetic, came here to defend a lil bitch of a host and a "smart" phantom whos just another player being a coward, not only that u just start with "how long u been playing DS3" cus that makes sense, and yet u say when a phantom dies the invader gets 2 estus, i would ask how long u been playing but thats irrelevant and i could really care less about u stupid ass but still, here we are...
Vitor Vena you literally wrote two paragraphs and still deny it's not a rant ! And thanks for crying me a river :)
Gulrez syed oh so the point now is about my reply being a rant? And u judge it by how long it is? Oh ok, then its a rant, i could really care less
The fact that ur changing topics just means u dont have more arguments to talk so why dont u do us both a favor and move on with your stupid life...
Or come back and say that im crying again cus thats a smart argument right? Its the only one u have...
oh god
Yeh if I had the patience all my invasions would be like this
Invaders get so salty when you toy with them and refuse to play by their purity spiraling rules
Saint Michael The Holy One Exactly.
You get the advantage. Why shouldn't we be annoyed that you're dragging it out extremely longer than necessary
i just got done with 2 back to back invasions that were both a half hour plus. thought about bc'ing out so many times but i didn't. this resonates with me like nothing else rn. this fucking guy was in TRC and had his 2nd phantom RUN TO WHERE HE WAS IN THE LEVEL TO PUT HIS SUMMON SIGN DOWN LIKE 5 TIMES. that dude earned his pointdown and honestly, i'd spit in his face irl if i met him.
I commend your attitude Saint. I've had many hosts try to train me around the fountain at Central Irithyll. If you can't win, don't play the game. Forcing the host to play the entirety of the level is genius.
If the invader is not having fun why doesn't he just leave?
Because the point isn't to have fun.
The point is to ruin someone else's fun.
^ This guy gets it lmao
He said that was the point himself. To ruin the other person's fun.
You sound really salty about having a hard time invading people who won't lay down and die for you. Maybe you should play offline.
+tenalpoen
You misunderstand me. 4v1 is unfair. But thats how invasions usually go. ''Intended'' Myazaki would say.
BUT if i kill said 3 Phantoms, and even 3 Phantoms + 2 Blade of Darkmoons... And you STILL have the effrontery to resummon your Bro's right back, thats the exact point where i just turn on godmode and teleport stunlock in cheatengine.
If you cant even win against a single Invader 4v1 in a Game which is supposed to be hard, you should play offline.
Oh wow saint did the point down. Lol I’ve never seen him do that.
Hi, first souls game for me. I learned most of this stuff and later maximized efforts from watching these vids so good job on that. Keep up the good work.
@@Lancestar-Knight Lol yeah 4 years to SL560 and I have a 140
@@Lancestar-Knight right on man
@@FuriousGeorge321 you playing elden ring bro?
@@chadthundercock3440 I just finished it and now it will be pvp from here on in. The game is great.
that white cleared almost all of irithyll while the host stood at the bonfire.
Well done.
A whole hour? You sir have great patience.
I honestly hate that stuff “oh yeah I beat dark souls one of the HARDEST games out there” I’m sure it’s very hard for you when you sit in a safe room and wait for your over leveled phantoms to clear the level.
I miss the good ol days, where you actually had to grow a pair and solo bosses. This is why I like DKS2 so much more, for some reason.
That’s what I always wondered about gankers: how do they feel good about being carried through? I used summons on some bosses (also used Yuria and the pale shade on SoC) and I felt good, but felt waaay better after not summoning for any boss on NG+ (except NK but I eventually was able to solo him on another character) which is basically the point of playing DKS, to overcome the challenge
Hah, try Demons Souls. No more online, and has been pretty dead even before the announced deadline for the servers. Trying to solo nay boss will put the player into a frenzy. That's why the common excuse is that they have no reason to buy it, or assume a remaster is supposed to show, which still might happen... They want to be in close proximity to a CoOp phantom to take all the damage.
My longest invasion in dark souls 3 was invading at the bridge in the painted world, waiting for the host at the bridge while hiding, destroying the bridge which killed his phantom, waiting at the top for the host and his resummoned phantom to get back up from the ice crab area and then killing the host at the ridge leading to the corvian settlement. All of this took 40+ minutes and all of this was worth it.
This was pretty entertaining, your commentary was great.
My favorite invasion.
Every time that white phantom spammed l1 i could only thought in Logan Paul's constant dabbing
Kill me
from now on if a host is passive I will be the who's passive and waste 1 hour of his time
I had a host yesterday with 3 phantoms i killed his phantoms he runs and hide's i then spend the next 45 min's looking for him and killing 17 blue phantoms in the process...dark souls 3 for you.
At some point one becomes a killing machine. Then you know the host gets scared of every dead phantom.
Cancer Souls III: Ashes of Password Phantom
Salty reddit post incoming about how invaders hide behind mobs and don´t engage the party... This host is mesmerisingly coward. Dark Souls 3 should have an obligatory solo pvp fight even if heavy lopsided in favor of the host at the beginning of the game (kind of a Iudex Gundyr meets solo spear of the church) or have more incentives to invade. A big part of the hate toward invaders and pvp´rs is that people say they don´t like pvp but they never tried it...and people hate what they don´t understand...Rant over. Anyway, great vid Saint!
agreed, scrubs telling scrubs how unfair pvp and invaders are.. so they dont know whats really going on
Yeah they do need more bosses like Gundyr you can't summon for. I actually have a handful of friends who never got into DS3 because they couldn't beat gundyr.
yung malaria If you want a good laugh, check what percentage of people got the achievement for beating Iudex.
there are people not even have the bonfire achievement
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I don't know if you read these, but I said something to you in stream about the siegbraus and blessings. I've seen dudes take siegbraus with full estus available (not joking). I wanted to say thank you for playing the game without cheating and glitches and how you treat solo host and "casual" players. You brought this game back to life for me and I'm grateful.
If you invade you have no right to be angry about what the other person does about it. Don't like it? Leave their world.
I love how those two are fighting an intense Battle and then there's the white guy just waving
You invaded. They did not summon you. This is Dark souls. When invading you never know how the outcome is going to be, that's the fun part of invading. But instead of having fun with it (like they probably did). You choose to record and whine about it. If you want certain rules to apply, go and join a duel or something.
Dueldogg Then that person shoudn't play a game that is pvp heavy or learn to duel right.
It's not that he was really complaining, (even though there were a few parts where he may have) he was making a point. This game isn't completely centered around PvP, but the invader is the one looking for it. And if you get invaded, you either, be a dick and do what this host did, OR, be a man and fight your fight; not let your buddy do it for you. And as he said in the video, the summon was doing even more so, beating the entire area for the host, which, in Dark Souls, is dumb as hell. It's Dark Souls, prepare to fucking die.
i love invading on ds3 having super brave host with phantoms and blues as soon as hes alone im chasing him around the map till he resummons and is brave again
When you are trash so you have other people play the game for you only for better players to point at your dead body
Good job Saint. Love your stuff!
Yeah but everyone was trash at souls games pvp, when they first started playing them.
Also you have to remember, most often those better players not only have the expierince, but now in its maturity of the game, they often have +3 rings, a better variety of useful rings and equipment, and a build purpose designed for that level range.
I guarantee the host had none of the rings Saint was using.
I like to do playthroughs and make builds pvping as I go as I have done this many times, lost count of the number of slots I deleted. I am nearly always underpowered as a host and a blue against the number of twinks the game has in its maturity. It's still fun tho.
The host is entilled to play as he wants..
yeah I was trash at PvP when I first started souls games *which is why I took opportunities to fight invaders when I had them* some of the best memories I have of these games are from scripted NPC invasions, I wish other people had a similar experience.
This video was on my recommended home tab thing, I started watching and immediately noticed the FF9 music! My #1 favorite FF that is terribly underrated!! You earned my sub.
I think they didn't rush in to kill you because you were hiding amongst the enemies, making them play more cautiously. They had to consider the attacks of the others, not to mention that Burning Stake Witch which can hit with fire from a very long range. Those and Pontiff Knights can be deadly if left alone in a close proximity while attention is on someone else, and I saw the phantom try picking some of them off because he realized they were gonna make fighting properly impossible. That's why the phantom wound up playing a lot of the level, because the enemies get in the way of fighting invaders and the phantom had nothing to lose, and a lot of the times the phantom died was with the enemies being used against him or attacking him when he was trying to slowly chip away at the level's enemies. I feel like they were by the bonfire at the start, deciding how to deal with this situation. Why the host didn't use the item that turns enemies on invaders, I don't know. But when you invade someone's world, it's your choice to invade them, so there's no real use complaining about what experience they put you through. The host could've quit out of the game to preserve their souls, enemies killed, and ember status, so ultimately they were in control of the situation if they really wanted it to end sooner.
That said, yeah all evidence points to the host being very incompetent. I completed Irithyll solo with full HP, FP, and Estus. Think a blue one was missing. They may have been a young kid or someone not very experienced, having their friend basically do it for them for the most part. They definitely didn't look as good as the phantom. Even with the host having far more to lose (the level resetting and all the enemies the phantom worked hard to kill respawning), he could've gone along to help kill the enemies at least.
But maybe he was staying by the bonfire a lot to continuously summon his phantom friend who was knowingly going on a suicide mission each time he ran the level to basically get ganked. He was a trooper.
I also think the phantom had less qualms with dying because as long as the host is alive, they can just resummon them. If the host dies, the map resets. Not like they were very far anyway.
At least not at first, but after a while, the map was getting more cleared, so it makes sense why the less skilled host hung back while sending the phantom to whittle you down while slowly clearing the level at no risk of the host dying. In truth it was the host's mistake to eventually join the phantom, because that's when he died and the enemies (and therefore all progress) reset, making the entire encounter up until then ultimately amount to nothing.
No shit Sherlock! 😂
that's why i find more success using a ranged build to invade
Host dies, map resets, and the invader is gone instead of wasting a whole hour fucking about.
I mean, staying at the bonfire and running to and from the bonfire, it's entirely a PvP spot, as long as the player didn't run up the stairs, his only fight would be the invader. There was no risk or challenge for the host.
Anything goes fam if you believe this philosophy when playing dark souls it works.
Quite frankly you only wasted your own time doing this, Arena is the place for normal 1v1s. As an invader anyone would know you arent always going to get what you want. Including a host that wants anything to do with you. Thats just how it is.
Dying Heaven there is a human attribute called honor that prevents such things... those people are just animals nothing more
he didn't want a normal 1v1, you completely missed the point of what he was saying. It's not that he wanted a one on one fair fight, its that the host WOULD NOT fight him at all, instead he's abusing the summoning mechanics and rolling, to waste time until he can get his phantom back into his world, while hes right by the bonfire and will lose nothing if he dies. like saint said, he meta gaming, hes playing the system, not the actual game.
Not sure why, but watching you endure the fuckery of the average casual and succeed encourages me to play Dark Souls 3 again.
whenever something like this happens, i roll myself a joint.
'i have all the time of the universe, literally infinity'
JunoJupiter GLRR. Of course you have all the time in the world you smoke weed. At that point if you smoke weed or do any form of any drug you already have no life.
Albert Wesker lmao calling weed a drug.. good one hollow
dont you know weed is basically heroin whats the difference between the two
C_M lol
JunoJupiter GLRR It is a drug technically, but tea is also a drug, as well as coffee and if your definition is broad enough then video games and music are too. Nothing wrong with doing drugs, can be a very good time as long as it's responsible use.
Time for the third annual viewing of this video
When is the competed saint riot bible of invasions coming out? Cause this was a great chapter.
King Necrow passage*
fuck off lol*
The summoner gets that he's going to respawn, but he just wants to advance, no one likes invasions and you know that.
Haha hour invasion, good stuff! Might have to change your recording settings to 1 hour if more of these happen! I had a 29.50 invasion the other day, my recording time is set to 30 min too, killed 6 or so blues and then the hidden host 'lost connection'
I always do the same thing and play like an asshole if they drag it out - I've gone over half an hour and missed the start of the invasion on the recording quite a few times but never made an hour yet.
Lol keep editing this as it gets further in, this is one of my favourite of your videos man. When people try and play 'Yeah You Beat Me, But Can You Kill Me' I'll play that game for as long as it takes and you are completely right - it's a whole different invasion, glad to have an actual phrase for them now! I'd say these are possibly the ones which provide the very sweetest of victories.
I always do this XD, more frustration = more fun.
GG saint, nice satisfying ending that point down was well earned.
The sad thing is though is that the host probably didn't learn anything from that encounter :( They are just too scared of being dominated by another player that playing super passive will be a hard habit to break.
oldrabidone yeah they need to have poop thrown at them too
Well, sometimes you invade a escort host, with his three friends... so not surprised. and i sometimes thinking to make a NG+ playthrough with only healing spells and my randoms phantoms. I already have try a only ashen estus run with dried fingers and whay of the blue, it was painful with some bosses becauses i had for rule to kill every ennemy mob before the bossgate, so invasions, and then only after that the boss itself, with no summons. oh wait i remember, didn't finish this run :D
@oldrabidone I strongly disagree here. Saint here behaved parallel to the way the streamer behaved towards you the other day. You can play however you want and you can't force anyone to play the game your way. I understand the need to put that coward of a host down but we are invaders, not the Miyazaki police.
I certainly have the patience, but I just don't have the free time for that kind of play. I wish I did though, I love fucking with people every now and then.
Lol, I refer you to J Blackmel, Invade Like and Invader and Duel like a Duelist. Case in point.
There are no rules in an invasion, the host played how he wanted to play and has no obligation to play how you want him to play. You wanted the salty win or bitter survival meta game so much you chose to hang around. Criticising the host for refusing to die, when you are refusing to black crystal, is totally hypocritical.
People don't have to play as you would prefer. So a noob host wants a friend to tour him through the game, he picked up on sale, and help him battle experienced twink builds along the way. Good for them, I am just happy that they are showing an interest in the series.
I love invading and I love being invaded, and I love a metagame of attrition myself, if its something you don't enjoy, don't do it, you have the means to crystal out and find a squad playing with less regard to surviving. You have means to duel in arena and pontiff.
Imo the host and phantom have the right to play the game they want, and you the invasion you want, neither of you did anything wrong. What you don't like other may like.
To me every invasion is a gift with its own rhythm, in a situation like this one, if I didn't have the time or inclination to play the long game I could either crystal out but most likely I would have just been more aggressive knowing it would most likely get me killed, after all what does a death mean in dark souls to me? Then I would have been off to the next invasion.
You are being very hypocritical in your view here imo. So long as people are not hacking, I am happy for them to play as they wish, yourself included.
Love your vids, but your opinion is based on what you like and how you would like people to play, which is meaningless to people outside a community. Fromsoft rules apply.
Yeah but so is Saint, by that measure and how do you know the host is wasting his time, he might be loving it, and learning the area and learning about Saint as an invader and enjoying the challenge of clearing the level with an invader pressing and harrying the pve progress?
Nackinoo he’s not, you can obviously see as the phantom clears the area for the host. It’s not about what the invader wants, you’re right, but if you’re beat, you’re beat. If you honestly think that playing this way is fair, how it was meant to be played, that it’s *balanced*, then that’s just a tad silly.
Big ol THICC
Who said I think it's balanced or how the game was intended to be played?
Mostly the game is intended to be played, without interaction with Friends, but people still like to play that way which is why password summons were introduced.
Should from have balanced that better? Imo yes, in a situation like this where summon cool down is not applicable, they should loose priority on way of the blue and gain priority for additional invaders. That is a from soft balance. That is fair to critique.
Should a big brother be able to hang out on line with his little bro and take him on a tour of the game, and come up with the plan they choose, completely.
Maybe the phantom is just try to power level a twink, with his gf controlling the Second character.
Maybe it's too friends who now live a long way apart, drinking and chatting on ps4 and just going through the game. Decided to deal with Saint that way. Who knows.
People don't always have the same motivations as others, we can never really know, but it's not fair to critique how someone chooses to play the game. It's up to them, join a fight club for meta rules.
It saints choice to engaged and his own meta rules that stop him crystalling or attempting a clinch chase down. Is all I am saying.
Look at someone like Chase the Bro. his attitude to invading is much different to this, he looks for ganks, and will crystal away without a thought if he doesn't want the chase down challenge.
Alot of this is in the mind and attitude of the invader and not the invaded, is all I am saying.
Nackinoo alrighty, I see where you’re coming from. Fair enough. I see how situation matters. Very fair enough. But what if you can tell the situation? I play Xbox, so when I’m looking for groups to hang with, I see loads of people setting up ganks with strangers. That’s where it’s more understandable to play like riot, I think. I dunno. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Big ol THICC Well I don't see anything wrong with the way Saint played it all either. I just didn't really agree with his logic justifications about them being the ones prolonging the encounter. Actually I would probably have don't similar, but actually would have enjoyed it perhaps a bit more, than Saint seems to have. No justifications required imo.
I just wandered if the motivation for his his post commentary is because he really doesn't want people playing that way and didn't enjoy the invasion. In which case he, really didn't have to play it, 😂.
Or he really did enjoy the invasion and the rant is to justify his own enjoyment of playing like he did, because he felt he needed to? (Not to me he didn't).
When he said you don’t get invaded for a while after that I thought yea but bye bye souls