Thank you for putting the patch notes in the description. A lot of other creators who talk about the changes don’t link the page which annoys me because I would also like to read them myself
"we wanted to adress the akward playstyle of blight players dashing and downing survivors too quickly, to remedy this, we have made the blight no longer able to hit survivors during a dash while giving him no new thing as compensation." Literally the sadako nerfs.
@@JakeobEYou misunderstood his post. He isn't commenting on them nerfing the blight addon. He is saying that the sadako nerfs are simply punishing her for playing the way she was designed to be played. The blight stuff is just a comparison and he could have used any killer. He could have compared it to nerfing trapper for placing traps or literally anybody else.
@@vinhiem6962 This comment you´re responding to is literally just making fun of their reasoning for nerfing Sadako, which besicallly read as "we´ve seen sadako players playing her, so we´re nerfing hem" Just was using Blight as a compariosn, literally no misunderstanding by them.
@@zandromex8985 Notice how my comment isn't @OriginalPoster. I was responding to a guy and explaining literally the exact thing you're saying to me, to a guy who didn't get OP's post. He must have deleted his message after he saw his mistake.
Onryo is too good at tunneling with Condemn but Wesker's perma-hinder is actually totally fine off hook and doesn't encourage tunneling at all. God I hate BHVR logic.
I don't think that's a good comparison I play wesker a lot an it is really hard to get the game to a point where players are perma infected u less you are using your power and just letting them go. Most of my games end before all sprays are used even if I'm trying to permanently infect
@@quirda77 Sorry, I'm bad with words and confused you. I'm speaking of the specific instance where you are infected, get hooked, get unhooked, and immediately chased again with a now-base 50% infection. From my understanding, you have 40-60 seconds before the hinder kicks in. I've played against a lot of Weskers lately, quite a few tunneling off hook, and even with an anti-tunnel build that hinder puts the unhooked player at an insurmountable disadvantage. Wesker being able to win the war of attrition is totally fine Imo and yeah, not related to Sadako at all. Not to you, but I also have no problem with Pyramid Head's tunneling efficiency, since that is like half his kit.
It could be useful on maps with second stories, and in situations where there’s only 1 gen left and you have to lure the killer away but it’s so niche. In most cases you’re just going to lead the killer to the gen.
@@OkbyeeeeeShe's a weak killer, that's like saying "trapper is fine just play better", piss off, this is why people hate survivor players. Everytime a killer gets buffed you complain and everytime a killer gets unfairly nerfed you celebrate. You dont care about balance you just want easy wins And of fucking course you have a comment defending ftp+Buckle up.
"We didn't like that Sadako could tunnel with condemn so we limited how much would get locked in so that now she has to tunnel just like everyone else"
Wait, did they nerf stacking 4 gen regress/stalling perks? No? Well, looks like you don't really have to tunnel to do well. If you can't do well with any killer with 4 gen perks, or Spirt fury + enduring and two gen perks, you may be complete trash.
You don't need to tunnel with any killer because you can stack 4 gen regression perks? So those are our choices, either play all gen regression or tunnel? i'd rather not play at all then lmao. (i stopped playing a year ago)@@JakeobE
bhvr is right that locked condemn can encourage tunneling to ensure the maximum amount of locked condemned, BUT this nerf actually encourages tunneling even more. Making her weaker by itself does that, plus now the killer will just slug and spend more time chasing the same survivor to ensure they get condemned before hooking them, since any additional condemn will be wasted. They still don't get that tunneling is caused primarily by a killer being weak.
Reality is almost anything that nerfs killers encourages tunnelling because it is by far the strongest strategy no matter which killer you play. Even a killer with no power and m1 only is ‘encouraged’ to tunnel as much as Nurse is. Not saying you are wrong but until tunnelling is actually made harder (no stupid I’m ready to be tunnelled noise when someone gets unhooked and slow the interface so the killer does not automatically know for STARTERS) almost any killer nerf encourages them towards tunnelling.
The entire condemn stack mechanic is built around tunneling to begin with. I don't really see that as a problem, since there's a huge trade off in terms of letting other people run freely around the map.
@@KyokujiFGCpeople running freely around the map and not doing gens is the issue, and when someone is getting tunneled teammates will have to bodyblock. Don't just assume that anyone getting tunneled will singlehandedly loop the killer for 5 gens
@@KyokujiFGC Live Sadako benefits immensely from spreading pressure, even while tunneling. She is more than capable of bringing the game to a halt by spreading injuries, managing TVs, and pushing as many survivors as possible to 4+ stacks (at which point "just hold a tape" is no longer viable). Letting a condemned survivor go cleanse is the right call sometimes. Against the wrong team, tunneling backfires. Which is good, because she has other options. PTB Sadako was already in danger of losing this aspect of her kit due to the reworked tape mechanics, but the latest change means she can't even force harsh slowdown/safe play on even one survivor who plays correctly against her. As far as I can tell there are no longer incentives for her to do much other than tunnel unless the whole team just refuses to pick up tapes. Which isn't good for her or the people she plays against.
Tunnelling is more of a strategy determined by playstyle and individual player choice. But, if you want to win, it is largely necessitated on the weaker killers against decent teams.
@@Ozz3605 No whataboutisms. STBFL needed changes to stop people from camping with it and make it a healthier perk while keeping it strong when used properly. AND FTP+Buckle up needs changes. BHVR fumbled both.
@@thewolfgirlexpertSimple changes, make STBFL deactivated when in a certain radius of a hooked survivor, make buckle up work once per hook stage instead of infinity, and make it so background player has to be manually activated around a downed survivor so killers have some counterplay around it. Was that hard?
@@NickDaGamer1998 I didn't say it wouldn't be. My reply was just saying to not go "but what about survivors" when something that is unhealthy gets changed.
@@Ozz3605 They said in a Q&A that their "Looking Into it" and i Think they said something along the lines of "it's tough" and that there wouldn't be any changes to it strictly soon. My personal conclusion/Opinion: they Literally do not know how to nerf the perk in a way that keeps both perk's relevant and doesn't gut them, because no one uses them much at ALL untill their together. I don't see people running one without the other in my games. they have to make the perks relevant without having them synergize in that exact way that breaks the game.
@@majigoro2474 not as insane as the old adrenaline crow blight. With the new combo, you get a maximum of 23% increase in rush speed and you still have to wait 14 seconds for the 7 tokens to recharge. The old was better because it gave you a 46% increase in speed with only having to want 7 seconds for it to recharge. The new adrenaline crow combo is definitely more fair Than it's old version.
0:55 This is the issue with this community though. When Sadako got reworked everyone lost their minds about how broken she was because everyone was still playing against old Sadako and not interacting with her power and letting her spam teleports/condemn. People finally figured out "oh shit I'm actually suppose to interact with the tvs and carry a tape around to avoid being condemned." Now we have the exact same thing happening of people not interacting with her power and BHVR immediately jumping to "fix" it. This community wants to do gens and loop killers anything that adds an extra element to the game people throw up their arms and just say fuck that I'm not doing it, and then when that bites them in the ass they complain about it. Pinhead is a perfect example of this. One tiny mechanic of solving his box and nobody does it and then people bitch about having to deal with chain hunt all game long.
People complain for the sake of complaining they don't want to learn or even think about anything they just want to loop drop pallets and that's it. They literally complain about anything like babies that don't want to take their medicine, and the one who will take it is the said killer or perk users that like the character and don't want it to be nerfed but they nerf it even if the ability is dogshit
I definitely do think people go over the top, but most of the forced killer powers are boring as hell. I hate pinhead for all my life, but he probably has the best one, an effect that affects every player in the game, anyone can help, and it doesn't instant kill. Sadako is just instant kill tunnel, Pig is just instant kill tunnel, Even pyramid head can tunnel effectively (When the whole point is for their ability is not to be able to). If you want to have things are pretty much rng/tunnel bait then yea, people are going to complain. Might just come down to being unlucky, but I have yet to see a Sadako NOT tunnel the first person she stacked condemned on. "Oh but she's an M1 killer so she has to". Ok? That's a huge problem with the killer itself more than the "Condemned" ability. Actually fix HER instead of trying to just fix the condemn.
Hard disagree. With teleport spam and global condemn, you had the initial minute or so to find a TV to camp before it turned on to immediately grab a tape, and if you didn't you would be found, repeatedly zoned, and condemned in like 2 minutes assuming the Onryo player was skillled and experienced. All 4 players needed to do this or somebody would be dead at 3 gens. She was extremely powerful especially for how easy it was/is to play condemn.
@@peterjonesly Bro is complaining about Pig. I can't make a better example of exactly what OP was talking about. Any killer can tunnel. Nerfing a killer to the ground just because they have the potential to play in a way that the community considers controversial is stupid. That's like if I cut off your fingers because I was worried you might try drugs someday. They're just cutting down killers before they can even shine. Onryo is becoming less and less formidable and the license is becoming a waste. I'm confused on why you'd even bother having multiple killers if they all play the exact same way. Killers are meant to be different and have different playstyles.
Yeah, came to this conclusion a while ago too. I think the devs are significantly to blame due to the lack of info survivors get on the number of killers in the game. If you don't play both sides, playing against weird killers is probably super disconcerting. Still, even the involved community falls into this stereotype, so they surely share some blame as well.
I'm surprised people think the new Hillbilly is fine. I'm mostly concerned about his new speed after missing. It's going to be 2.3 m/s (right now it's 1.38 m/s) and the cooldown will be shorter (2.5s instead of 3s). It's basically the same thing as with Xenomorph that used to be able to miss M2 and still lose almost no distance. His other buffs are fine, but this one rewards bad plays.
Making the condemned stacks cleansable actually encourages the killer to tunnel, because they want to get you down again before you can cleanse. When the stacks were stuck, the killer could let you go away, because there was nothing you could do.
Um… no…. The whole point is to get as much condemned stacks as possible so she can mori you. If she knows you’re locking in a lot of stacks it encourages her to tunnel you and get you fully condemned asap
@davidhokeyhoke476 if I hook someone to lock in stacks, I want to keep condemning them so they don't get rid of them, otherwise it's a waste of time so... um no?
@@GoombaInAShoe how tf is it a waste of your time? You don’t have to actively do anything extra to spread condemned other than use your power to your advantage and in doing so you create slowdown for survivors who choose to remove stacks. Allowing survivors to remove stacks in no way shape or form encourages tunneling - why the hell would a killer LET A SURVIVOR GET AWAY just because they have stacks they can’t get rid of? So you can potentially mori them later? That’s stupid, and if that’s your playstyle you deserve to lose. You shouldn’t get to make stupid decisions so you can be rewarded for them later. Being able to condemn a survivor is an extra option but you can - and should - still hook survivors to kill them. You shouldn’t only need to hook survivors to lock in condemned - your mori is something you should have to work for and it’s not your only option.
@@David_Hypnos Finally someone whio understands that the nerf isn't that bad and it is needed. People would still tunnel, even if Sadako was stronger or weaker. The whole : "If Sadako would've been stronger, i wouldn't tunnel" argument is bullshit. The Sadako Mori should be a punishement for survivors not doing TVs , but she still needs to m1 and hook the survivors.
@@nerionzanear7814 this community is fucking wild, man. If one streamer says something they all hop on the bandwagon. No one can think for themselves and most ppl only care about how easy they can win rather than about actual balance or fairness or challenge.
Of course, they couldn't have just taken a W without messing up again. I only saw few people complaining about new Sadako but all of those complaints were about her being *too weak!* They didn't need to nerf her! Gosh I'm so discouraged. The one time i thought bhvr actually dod something great they shat their pants again
Never underestimate the power of naivety and ignorance, a couple of survivor only players cry and before you know it, a 110 killer with no power would be op. I mean just look at the legion rework, the forums were flooded with complaints that he was op, and the changes made little difference to his placement in the killer ranks. Essentially these survivor players just didn’t understand how to play against legion, and this is a killer for which survivors have some of the simplest and most effective counterplay strategies in the game.
Onryo is actual trash now, and it makes me very sad. I’ve been an Onryo main since her launch, but I think I may have to finally drop her and find a new killer.
She’s always been one of the worst killers in the game that recent update they did to her didn’t even make her broken. Everyone was just overreacting now the devs have gone and ruined her.
My prediction: There will be so much more hillbillly players at first, and so the bhvr stats they look at will show that he is underperforming/average. Eventually after some times passes only good billy players will be around and the bhvr stats will go up, bhvr will see that as a problem and nerf him into the ground again.
Did they really fix Billy? The overheat mechanic is still entirely inconsequential, before it was hard to trigger and now it's hard to not trigger, and now you go so fast that it's hard to control.
They should at least buff Onryo chase to compensate for the nerfs. Like maybe when she’s demanifested, she can phase through pallets, breakable walls, and windows?
That's busted. You have to remember she can trigger a chase while demanifested now. Not only can she get out of it fast, she can now reach bloodlust along with that.
Maybe for each stack of condemn give survivors a %1-1.5 hindrance status effect? It's passive slowdown since they have to run to the gen and gives her some kind of stuff to help her in chase
That would great but breakable walls would be too much, vault locations and thrown pallets is enough but they would need to double how long it takes to demanifest in chase to account for it.
It's just embarrassing bhow they keep nerfing trash killers cuz they apparently a bit too decent while keeping Nurse and Blight top tier for years with a straight face, this is just selective favoritism among killers by Bhvr
The Onryo nerf is the Freddy effect. Survivors wouldn’t wake up so they have them a reward for doing so whilst also nerfing the shit out of him. The same with her. Survivors won’t use a tape so she gets nerfed.
as a retired survivor main that stopped the game years and years ago, I might come back since billy is finally in a good spot again, he was by far the most fun to play against, I just have the whole game to relearn
Meanwhile, they still are ok with Victor being unable to pounce over pallets. One day BHVR will remember twins exist besides saying “we’re gonna rework them entirely eventually”
Victor doesnt need to be able to punce over them though? He is already 150% speed by default (and not a single dedicated twins player plays without even more speed). Do you want victor to have no counterplay at the occassional safe pallets?
@@Leaf__22 what bug? He cant pounce over a pallet? Original comment doesnt state that there is a bug so my thought was they want to give victor like a scamper mechanic
I believe the way SBFL was changed in the PTB isnt because they wanted it to work that way but because they werent able to code "whenever obsession gets hit by normal or special attacks" so they just went with "whenever loses a health state" to see how it worked on average while they changed the code properly.
Well that can't be the case, because if it was then how was it able to distinguish between obsessions being hit with power vs a normal M1? The coding was already there. I think they wanted to dumb down the phrasing, and went with what seemed more simple than actually mentioning the different attacks.
@@IMAFEEISH We are talking about a game coded in such way that changing something to a pallet breaks 10 different perks, 5 animations and 3 killer powers and an entire realm layout, I 100% believe they couldnt code it without making it so buggy the perk wouldnt be able to be tested in the PTB, any other company I would think like you, with BHVR? Think poorly and youll nail it.
They already have that functionality coded in Hex: Third Seal, though it is BHVR so I can't say that disproves your theory. As far as the Wiki says, there are two killers who can deal health state damage without a basic or special attack: Trapper and Trickster. I would bet the goal of the original change was to harm all killers equally, rather than making those two specifically stronger users of the perk. Whatever the case, I'm happy they changed it.
I think you misunderstand the issue with that the CD on condemned stacking was meant to addressed. It wasn't for using the Condemned power in chase. If a survivor was near a powered TV, she could teleport repeatedly to a bunch of random other TVs to build stacks on them. Normally, the survivor would react and you'd only get probably 2 stacks... unless the TV is in a hard to reach place, which is basically all two story maps. Then they physically can't get away from powered TVs fast enough and can't get to the powered TV fast enough to disable it to stop that from happening. And the main problem here is at the very start of the match. A Sadako that spammed teleports on an indoor map with a high cluster of TVs from the second they turn on could easily have multiple survivors at 3-4 stacks within like 30 seconds. At which point, they could then swap to the more regular condemned style because they've got them already almost dead.
10 seconds seems too much to prevent that? The Condemn cooldown could be 5 seconds, allowing survivors to have enough time to run away from the TV or grab its tape
Man I think they need to just remove the lethal aspect of condemn so they can make it stronger, since it's so feast or famine it's extremely hard to balance. Give it something else like a gen speed repair penalty or something and make it accumulate faster, make it something survivors don't want to stack up without it being an instant kill
my idea for a new change; for every individual survivor hooked once, each survivor gets a 0.75 permanent condemn. all 4 survivors means 3 perm stacks. Tunellers won't benefit, and people who play fun will!.
The Sadako change may actually encourage tunneling more. To use the 4 stacks Scott gave as an example, if only two get locked in then the killer may want to tunnel in order to ensure they can capitalize on all four stacks. But if all four get locked it, then there’s no rush, whenever they find that survivor again they are guaranteed to still have all four stacks. EDIT: In addition, the lock-in mechanic would incentivize tunneling to the same people that the reverse bear traps incentivize tunneling to. People who don’t understand to point of the killer and end up playing them in a worse way. Some pigs tunnel the trapped survivor, without thinking about the fact that that person is busy anyway and should ideally be left alone. The same thing is true for sadako, instead of tunneling someone with 4 locked-in condemn stacks it might be a better idea to let them freak out and clear their condemn every time they get one more stack.
It don’t matter sadako weak asf. If you ain’t good at looping then you’re done for. Since she no longer has global condemn she is barely going to be able to condemn unless she does the slugging playstyle again.
Some crafty Onryo players came up with the obvious way to spread condemn more efficiently, so let's take that away from them. Makes about as much sense as some Weskers learning to hug tech, better stop that behavior. BTW, the counterplay is more straightforward than ever: pick up a Tape.
Less crafty and more exploitative- they designed it a certain way for balancing reasons and players found a loophole - so they fixed it. Also, it’s no longer as straightforward as it was since you have to travel to the furthest tv to insert the tape. That kind of slowdown is very powerful and will need to be done far more often now that condemned stacks can be locked in.
@davidhokeyhoke476 Having a target TV was how she originally worked, and trust me, it was not noticeable slow down. What was troublesome balance-wise was being able to reset those target TVs and leave someone slugged in front of it, forcing condemn. That's why old Iri Tape won't come back and Ring Drawing was changed. Without a downside like passive Condemn building, there is no real downside to picking up a Tape anymore, you just have to eventually deposit it in a specific TV.
@@lachenstars if it’s not noticeable at all let’s just change it back so you can put it in any tv. There doesn’t NEED to be a downside to picking up a tape - the tape IS the counter. Considering that condemned stacks can be locked in now it’s way more important for survivors to regularly move tapes around to avoid getting stuck with it - and considering that condemn can still be spread just as easily survivors will have to adhere to this play style. That is major slowdown. The majority of survivor games go downhill when not enough ppl are on gens (it’s called pressure) so being able to ensure that just by teleporting around the map (which has its own advantages) is powerful. Once again, there’s a reason Onryo has such high kill rates.
@davidhokeyhoke476 they are reducing the amount you can lock in condemn, and Scott is right that that actually promoted tunneling more. Regularly interacting with TVs is the goal and you're right that survivors need to realize that. But capitalizing on that still means a killer who is weak in chase has to win chases. Her kill rates were skewed by new players that didn't interact with TVs until it was too late.
High kill rates can easily be from survivors not learning the correct counterplay, not necessarily being proof that the killer needs to be nerfed. Right now she is at her strongest, but I'll take this new rework gladly because it was braindead getting easy condemn pressure. It wasn't fun.
The issue with Blight isn't even his add-ons imo, the issue is that there's no downside. The 20 second cooldown means absolutely NOTHING for Blight because it's infinite, as a player, I won't care about losing power for 20 seconds if I fuck up because my power is infinite, imagine if Nurse had a similar add-on where she had infinite blinks. Now obviously blinks and rushes aren't the same, but Nurse and Blight are the 2 strongest killers in the game, they're already difficult to counter, now they have these crazy add-ons ON TOP of their already insane abilities. This is where BHVR keeps missing the mark, strong killers get add-ons that make them insanely stronger, while weaker killers get add-ons that make them only slightly stronger. Look at Wraith for example, now personally I think Wraith is insanely underrated, but compare his add-ons to stronger killers. Most of them just allow you to go slightly faster, uncloak slightly faster, cloak slightly faster, meanwhile other killers get insta-downs, super strong aura reading, you keep your power longer, breaking pallets around you, blocking windows, blocking pallets, slowing survivors down, etc. Their inability to give other killers strong shit, while also balancing stronger ones is ridiculous, I'm not saying those killers should get gutted, but there's no reason for them to get such strong add-ons, whilst other killers are left in the dirt.
Scott, overdrive add-ons (Those that make the overdrive start to dissipate later or slow down the dissipation rate) are useless, just tap your chainsaw and it'll stop regressing. I'd preferred getting the old spark plug, or other actually useful add-ons instead.
12:45 not every gen in the map only if survivor is kicked off. So after you see survivor is hooked hop off gen after 2 seconds (give them time to leave that 16m radius) to prevent ur specific gen from being blocked for 30s. only for 12s
Also to add to this it's not 48s. it's 12 for first 3 hooks (36s and then final hook gives you the 40s but they all need to be fresh hooks it's to encourage you to go for fresh hooks)
Honestly with how insane gen speeds have been lately I have no idea why he is complaining about more slowdown options instead of the usual pain res pop.
buffing adrenaline vial is a horrible idea. vial + crow will instantly become the "new" meta. sure the faster recharge is still gone so it's not gonna be as broken as it is right now but you still just can't give a killer like blight such an insane buff with one single green addon. he's not gonna be any more fun to go against when everyone will have 7 rushes + increased rush speed without any downside. and making him feel more fair was the entire point of this addon rework.
It’s arguably MORE broken, You see some blights opt for double speed and other things but with zero downside now why not just get a +5% to your rush speed and an extra two rushes with a better look angle for flicks? There’s genuinely no reason to not run it now.
I feel like Bvhr just doesn't fix the problems with Onyro. Like the main problem with her condemned is she can outright kill someone without hooks which is core to how matches function. I don't get why they don't make is so condemned can't kill you unless your on last hook. But before last hook being condemned gives you a debuff or some other penalty so it still works as a slow down and encourages survivors to get tapes.
Because doing that gets rid of a core part of her character from the source material. She's not the only killer that can outright kill someone without hooks, you also have Pyramid Head and Myers (with Add-Ons) and those two play fine as they are.
@@shadowdeath3050 I suggested that she would still get to kill you, but only on your last hook. This is how pyramid head works and would preserve her ability to still outright kill you. Her condemned would just do something else while you weren't on death hook. This would allow them to actually buff her condemn because she would no longer be able to mega tunnel someone out without at least having hooked that person before. Side note, those Myers Add-ons are problematic, it's just he is an awful killer and those are Add-ons. If he were to ever get buffed to be in line with other killers those add-ons would have to go. Cause being able to kill someone without hooking them breaks dbds gameplay loop. Its why they require mori's now to need hook states.
@@ladyrayrays fair points, I should’ve read the full comment so that’s my bad man. With that being said I agree now that you mention it. I don’t know why they didn’t just leave Sadako how she was on the ptb shit wasn’t even that bad to go against it’s just this game whines when they don’t get something automatically and bitches on twitter about everything that are mostly skill issues on their end. Myers in general is in dire need of some sort of buff or rework to his kit. The fact that you can run out of your power mid match is shit design no matter how anyone tries justifying it. No, his add-ons don’t make up for it either considering you have to spent most of the match stalking just to get a small bit of value out of your power and in that time half the gens will proc and then you’re still able to be pallet looped like an m1 killer with no power.
@@shadowdeath3050 Yea, it feels a lot that Bvhr makes weird work arounds for problems instead of just fixing them half the time. Like with sadako they rather nerf her to hell then fix her core problems of tunneling one person. I agree with you when it comes to Myers he is going to need so much to actually be good its insane. He has so many drawbacks right now and not enough bonuses to really choose him over other killers. Like he is most similar to ghost face who just doesnt have as many downsides as Myers, even though ghostfaces stealth can be so buggy.
@@shadowdeath3050correction but Myers can only do it as an addon *and* he also plays like complete garbage as a result whose feast or famine is so strong it gives Sadako a run for her money. Pyramid Head can mori but only on 2 hooks. Pig is the closest to Sadako and she has an actual reason to hook due to the delay on trap timers and she still had to have a lot of their behaviors changed to prevent RNG from swinging her wildly from 4 head pops with 4 traps to 4 1 attempt hat offs 0 pops. Difference with Sadako is that she has zero reason to hook even with the changes and no changes to how bad her RNG can be for everyone involved.
5:47 this change is huge. One thing you could do is teleport to other tvs to rapidly build vondemn at the one a survivor was near. It incentivizes survivors to turn of the tv near them or be killed within the first minute of the game. (Punishing players who ignore her power) this means survivors can just not care about tvs because what’s she gonna do. Spend 2 and a half minutes condemning you. You just go put the tape away. Combined with the hook changes this idea in is the survivor counter play. Just don’t give a fuck about her. What’s she gonna do to stop you? Chase?
Yeah, she's returned to being a joke. It's almost insulting at this point. I can't imagine being the creators of the original idea/the owner of the "The Ring" license and being added to a game just to be this miserable.
“Be killed within the first minute of the game.” If you can’t see why that’s a problem then you ARE the problem. It’s not about being able to ignore her power which is more than just stacking condemned - it’s about fair counterplay. There are plenty of tvs, they don’t stay turned off forever, and survivors can’t be unable to do anything else just so they don’t get fully condemned within a minute.
@@David_Hypnos If you're constantly getting killed by condemned you need to be grabbing more tapes and delivering them. If you're eating rapid fire condemn stacks, do you ever think: Hey maybe I should just turn off that TV so she can't condemn me? Or do you just sit there heedlessly working on the generator and ignore your constantly climbing condemn bar?
There is debating the Grim/Dead Man's synergy, actually. Grim Embrace is not every time a survivor is hooked (which is literally what you said). It's only the first time a survivor is hooked. Meaning, it only works 4 times. It literally deactivates after that. It also, because of this, discourages tunneling if you want value from the perk. But hey, definitely nerf it if we want to take away YET ANOTHER build possibility that only gets value by not tunneling. No skin off my back. I'll just tunnel every game. *shrug* Done. Literally, if the game is a "PaRtY gAmE" and "tHe chasE Is thE mOSt FUN PArT of thE GaMe, anD HOLdINg M1 Is boRINg", then this shouldn't be an issue. Or, maybe, it's only supposed to be a party game for one side. Get rid of gen PROGRESSION perks and items, then this would be overpowered. Until then, you're simply incorrect. Period.
Why not simply.. make it so people can't gain more condemned for a minute after unhook? So the stacks you got are "locked in" in either direction, for a bit at least. Blight finally getting toned down AT ALL after 3 years of being busted is good though.
I fucking hate what they've done with Adrenaline Vial. It went from an alternate playstyle to a massive upgrade to fucking worthless and now it's right back to standard steroid. Just revert it to it's original state, FFS.
Why bhvr doesnt consult people like scott and other smarter players before finalizing changes is mind boggling. Pure constant oversight. People who actually play the gane with any skill or thought can instantly tell you issues with your changes. Shows bhvr cant even play their game at a high level to even think.
BHVR be like we added this new change for onryo and we understand you guys actually like it but we saw you guys liked it and a couple of you even figured out how to use this mechanic well so we're going back to making her unplayable.
Patch notes in a nutshell: "Because of the crying of unskilled players we have decided to nerf everything that was weak to begin with." I understand the blight thing, although it's from crying. What are they smoking? Also STBFL was not OP, lmao. Nerf every M1 Killer as well. And too much slowdown? Generators are 1 and a half minutes, gens fly. Even with deadlock, as experienced killer. If, we need MUCH slowdown or make survivors slower because playing survivor is so easy, it's downright unfair that the killer is the bully victim in high mmr. (Not even, can lose against 1time players because of generators) I say that as solo survivor, who says the game is easy. So easy it's ridicolous. Good Idea, a 4v1 game that is favored by survivors. Good idea, really. Player count is dropping.
I will never understand BHV, they nerf Onry but buff blight ? huh, they always nerf the weaker killers but buff thr stronger one, just doesn't make sense.
They should turn onryo into a 4.4 killer and give her cooldown on her manifestation at this point lol. Also that quick gambit buff is so friggin pathetic. %8 within 32m is horrible. If it was like a %20 maybe it might be worth a perk slot
The Sadako stuff is so stupid. OMG, Sadako might be encouraged to tunnel me! Who cares, it's Sadako! Not some killer with a chase power that I have to worry about.
They are probably hoping the lazy survivors will stop complaining about Sadako and they will count that as a success and never touch Sadako again. Im so tilted about this, i was so pumped to play the new Sadako rework since i main her now im just depressed about it and dont care about playing her. How could they ruin her this bad and have the nerve to use the poor excuses they chose 😔
Onryo reads to me as "Well if survivors doesnt respect Condemned then they get punished badly for it and we dont want the little surwiwows to be punished" Which is something you can say for every single killer. If survivors dont respect bear traps. If survivors dont respect RBT. If survivors dont respect hatchets. If survivors dont respect Blight rushes. If survivors dont respect Nurse blinks. If survivors dont respect chainsaws. If survivors dont respect Freddy pools. Etc etc. Fire whoever decided to nerf Onryo for this reason.
Well I just redownloaded this game and I’m about to uninstall it I got bored because survivor is so easy I get iri 1 rank in a week and I dread playing killer because I do good I get death threats I do bad I get some twelve year old and his swf bragging like they all didn’t have second chances getting really fed up with behavior just favoring survivor it’s already easy they just dont wanna learn and instead just wanna run around using 1 brain cell and win
Sad part is both your video and Otz video mirror each other. The devs will never change or revert mistakes they make it changes because their ego is like a survivor who teabags the community than goes down and disconnects 20 seconds later when things didn’t go their on way. 😅
When onryo is buffed she's miserable to play against when she's nerfed....she still sucks to play against because they just spam teleport and never chase
In my experience, Survivors hide and dont want to he chased, and these are level 100 players with experience. I dont believe folks when they say they want to be chased, but then you have to spend 15 mins searching for them.
The worst part of Sadako is and will always be the no hook mori: It is irrelevant what other things she has, if she can 0 hook mori you won't be able to fix her and buff her without her becoming intrinsically awful to face. I'm not shocked AT ALL that BHVR is walking back changes to her that could be strong given that they're already pushing her back into the slug - condemn gameplay loop where hooks never even enter the equation, I'm just more shocked people don't get it given that Pig had to face several really big nerfs to tune down her one trap headpops so she could get minor buffs to ambush.
Actually a player is less likely to be focused out if the condemned stacks remain after hook because you have banked stacks. If they can get rid of them then there is more pressure to just kill that player now
The onryo condemn lock change just encourages tunneling more, no? Since they can remove stacks over 2, i feel increased pressure to follow them off hook to prevent them from doing tapes. if they kept the full condemn lock i could just let them go and catch them naturally later
Or you could just tunnel them off hook anyway and try to force condemned as fast as possible (the way people did in the PTB.) She can still spread condemned easily, and the slowdown from having to grab a tape and take it to the furthest tv is very beneficial. There is no way you “need” to tunnel to effectively spread condemned especially that 2 stacks will still lock-in. Whether they left it as was or as is going to be killers are still going to tunnel and try to spam condemned.
Yeah not to mention they have slowdown after hook. They're the ones far more likely to leave gens to deal with her power so you could leave them and try to slow the others for a bit before coming back. Now fuck it why even bother leaving
@@jilujoilujiut2165 people already do that, yeah. The issue with making the change is now there's increased pressure to tunnel early (if you tunnel when you feel the need to because gens are too fast, rather than choosing to tunnel just because)
Yep. No incentive whatsoever to leave them be. Even worse than the live version where you should hard tunnel the first heartbeat if you have any opportunity to.
Quick gambit should give +25% gen speed to all survivors (kinda like open handed) as long as the killer is in a chase with the survivor who got unhooked last. Literally anti-tunneling and fun perk to use.
I think the problems with Onryo are map specific, on a map like Midwich she can just spam teleport very easily, and catch more survivors than on an open outdoor map. Other than that I didn’t really have any issues facing her on the PTB, like you said, it just took a few matches to figure out how to counter her.
It's her 0 hook mori, not maps, as huge maps force survivors into greater time sinks and that's part of why she's good on The Game and Midwitch: It's literally 2 maps sandwiched on each other just with the added bonus of her projection hitting through the floor making the RNG significantly less impactful. But on big maps where you have like 5 - 4 Gen splits on two opposing sides she is just as annoying to face as you will spend an hour just delivering tales while she farms condemneds on the nearby TVs. Farming that condemned for a free kill >>> locking in condemned.
I feel like the condemn change only encourages more tunneling because now if the survivor gets left alone for a while they can remove most of the condemn whereas previously you could let the survivor go secure in the knowledge that the condemn was permanent. It feels like by trying to remove tunneling they only made it an even more viable, and arguably necessary, strategy for a condemn based Onryo.
Another thing about stbfl is that the changes don't affect all killers either, not sure if this was tested or not but a trapper trap isn't really a special attack unless they coded it to be or killers with one shots are still going to get decent use out of the perk. There's far better perks for some of these killers but it's kind of like how small game would tell you where trapper or hag traps were making the killer indirectly weaker.
Your thoughts on STBFL I have to hard disagree. You can still tunnel off hook with or without the perk. The damn perk has 2 hard counters already. What more is needed?
Stfu about stbfl. Killers already tunnel in 70+% of games. The change to stbfl won't change that. jfc you live in a bubble of "I play fair". Sure you do, but most killers do not. They run 3-4 slow downs, the strongest killer/addons they can, and tunnel and proxy camp.
I'm still gonna tunnel anyone. I dont tunnel because I want to win anymore, I just do it because Killers will get nerfed regardless of it I do or dont.
And again BHVR ignores actually addressing the tunneling issue. It would require a general killer change, not just changes to individual killers, to diminish the strategy.
I find it insulting, how BHVR saw reaction of the community, and instead of simply not includ Sadako changes on the update, they said "we see that you angry, but don't worry. We will fix it in the next small patches" I don't understand, why we need to wait for this fixes if this nerf not even in the game yet. Why f8x when they can just exclude it from the update?
Grim Embrace and DMS Wii not be a problem lmao it’s exactly like Pain Rez + DMS just use your brain when you see a new survivor being hooked and let go of the gen right as they’re being hooked. It’s painfully simple😂 You’ll get caught by the first one and that’s it.
It's annoying how clueless they are of their own game. Anytime killer gets nerfed I will tunnel and camp on purpose for weeks after each patch to make was many survivors quit as possible until one day they stop holding hands and actually know how the games played.
Same. It's like they want us to do the opposite. Winning is fun, but getting back at Survivors for always whining is waaay more fun. They hate folks who do this, but literally gives us no other choice. 😂😂😂
The generator changes will absolutely be noticeable even if you are not dragging matches out excessively if you are using Eruption or Surge with any other slowdowns. They just made Eruption F tier. Certain slowdown perks can no longer be used with other perks - mainly Surge and Eruption can no longer stack with anything else without giving the survivors a free gen.
8 regression instances is A LOT. Even if 2 perks are being used together that means it would still have to proc on one gen 4 times… besides, the gen changes are overall a win for killers. Gen tapping being gone is a HUGE win for killers and I can guarantee 99% of them won’t notice the gen regression nerfs unless they are trying to 3-gen.
You shouldn't need more than 8 regression events on a single generator to win your matches. If you're getting to that point you *are* dragging out matches.
"By Peanits" Great.. the totally un-survivor-biased community manager is back again to tells us that everything wrong with the game's poor balance and gameplay is soley the Killer's fault.
as a blight player, i dont understand why they removed the turn rate penalty on adrenaline vile, literally no decent blight had a problem with that, in fact, i kinda liked it, and now my muscle memory is gonna be all screwed up next time i play. bhvr moment #3087
bruh why treating sadako like this? I think this is overall a "buff"? for me as I only play her because i like her but the way her condemn works I never really cared for. Just not a fan of a mechanic that either does nothing or wins you the game and at this point, will basically always do nothing. She's no longer a stealth killer as much since chase starts while in stealth. I think that change would be find if it just continues chance after you first reveal yourself. I wish she had some chase power. I basically always run the phone addon to apply hindered when I manifest near someone. I also wish condemn did anything else extra instead of just kill them. I would've love another doctor like power that applied certain effects to survivors based on stacks. Like jump scares while repairing gens or just seeing a fake sadako walk towards them. I really don't get why they do the ptb, let people test it for like a month and then make sweeping changes after and have zero testing for the new changes.
i don't understand why condemned is even a thing, if they're going to keep nerfing it so hard they should just rework it and make it easier to accumulate and instead of being able to kill the condemned person sadako should get a buff for each condemned player like a speed boost or walls every few seconds
Bvhr admits some onyro players were clever by thinking outside the box and still nerf her. That’s got almo’s name written all over that.
The fact that he's still employed is a crime
genuinely one of the worst game designers i've ever seen@@Krispe
Yeah sure bc he's the only one that works there.
I'm so sad they did this, I was gonna play onryo, but if they are just gonna nerf her like this then what's the point
What is the lore with almo?
I'm just happy they mostly kept billy the same I was worried he might get nerfed down
nerfing ptb billy would be very damaging to their game and reputation and they probably know that
@@sovietspaceship what reputation
@@8bitSpartan141 yes what little they have left after the last few years, but they're on the right track atm so they better not mess up
Remember last time they said they were happy with how Billy was performing...
@@nicholaslewis862 And then added the overheat mechanic and gutted all of his addons to worthlessness...yeah
Thank you for putting the patch notes in the description. A lot of other creators who talk about the changes don’t link the page which annoys me because I would also like to read them myself
This, unironically this, best time saviour ever,
tbh thats terrible its so hard to find on bhvr's page
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Bro that onryo change... Almo doing his job in nerfing things based on statistics and not listening to the communit
He thinks we're so unrealiable and untrustworthy...Jesus Christ, we're probably the most holy people ever, he should listen to us.
Onryo is the New Pig.
@@brokemonothis statement screams ego
@@luxxersits satire
almo left BHVR 2 or 3 years ago.
"we wanted to adress the akward playstyle of blight players dashing and downing survivors too quickly, to remedy this, we have made the blight no longer able to hit survivors during a dash while giving him no new thing as compensation." Literally the sadako nerfs.
@@JakeobEYou misunderstood his post. He isn't commenting on them nerfing the blight addon. He is saying that the sadako nerfs are simply punishing her for playing the way she was designed to be played.
The blight stuff is just a comparison and he could have used any killer. He could have compared it to nerfing trapper for placing traps or literally anybody else.
@@vinhiem6962 This comment you´re responding to is literally just making fun of their reasoning for nerfing Sadako, which besicallly read as "we´ve seen sadako players playing her, so we´re nerfing hem" Just was using Blight as a compariosn, literally no misunderstanding by them.
It was sarcasm on ops part@@vinhiem6962
Pig put her mask on sadako for 0.1 seconds and this is what happened
@@zandromex8985 Notice how my comment isn't @OriginalPoster. I was responding to a guy and explaining literally the exact thing you're saying to me, to a guy who didn't get OP's post.
He must have deleted his message after he saw his mistake.
Onryo is too good at tunneling with Condemn but Wesker's perma-hinder is actually totally fine off hook and doesn't encourage tunneling at all. God I hate BHVR logic.
Laughs in Pyramidhead.
I don't think that's a good comparison I play wesker a lot an it is really hard to get the game to a point where players are perma infected u less you are using your power and just letting them go. Most of my games end before all sprays are used even if I'm trying to permanently infect
@@quirda77 Sorry, I'm bad with words and confused you. I'm speaking of the specific instance where you are infected, get hooked, get unhooked, and immediately chased again with a now-base 50% infection. From my understanding, you have 40-60 seconds before the hinder kicks in. I've played against a lot of Weskers lately, quite a few tunneling off hook, and even with an anti-tunnel build that hinder puts the unhooked player at an insurmountable disadvantage. Wesker being able to win the war of attrition is totally fine Imo and yeah, not related to Sadako at all.
Not to you, but I also have no problem with Pyramid Head's tunneling efficiency, since that is like half his kit.
@@slavajuri okay, so let’s nerf Wesker.
@@David_Hypnos I mean, the ideal change is removing the "kill me" indicator from cleansing your infection.
I like how Quick Gambit is so useless Scott skipped over it like it was nothing
It is nothing 😔
They had no reason nerfing it. At least they could’ve gave 11/13/15% repair speed from 40 meters from a gen.
could be good on meat factory where the pallets are super safe and the map is tiny tbh
@@HiHi-yk1mvMight be a tad much, but maybe just prove thyself stats but you're right it is dog ass
It could be useful on maps with second stories, and in situations where there’s only 1 gen left and you have to lure the killer away but it’s so niche. In most cases you’re just going to lead the killer to the gen.
Wow they just nerfed the fuck out of Onryo.
thank god because she was so OP in the PTB I mean I thought it was CRAZY how survivors had to actually do something to counter her power!! So unfair!
Good.
@@princeeurope002Your comment history says everything lmao. Another crybaby entitled survivor
Thats good. Now play better!
@@OkbyeeeeeShe's a weak killer, that's like saying "trapper is fine just play better", piss off, this is why people hate survivor players. Everytime a killer gets buffed you complain and everytime a killer gets unfairly nerfed you celebrate. You dont care about balance you just want easy wins
And of fucking course you have a comment defending ftp+Buckle up.
"We didn't like that Sadako could tunnel with condemn so we limited how much would get locked in so that now she has to tunnel just like everyone else"
Wait, did they nerf stacking 4 gen regress/stalling perks? No? Well, looks like you don't really have to tunnel to do well. If you can't do well with any killer with 4 gen perks, or Spirt fury + enduring and two gen perks, you may be complete trash.
@JakeobE I think you missed the point of OP.
@@quirda77 You don't have to tunnel with any killer. I think you missed my point of how influential perks are for killers.
@@JakeobEWhataboutism
You don't need to tunnel with any killer because you can stack 4 gen regression perks? So those are our choices, either play all gen regression or tunnel? i'd rather not play at all then lmao. (i stopped playing a year ago)@@JakeobE
bhvr is right that locked condemn can encourage tunneling to ensure the maximum amount of locked condemned, BUT this nerf actually encourages tunneling even more. Making her weaker by itself does that, plus now the killer will just slug and spend more time chasing the same survivor to ensure they get condemned before hooking them, since any additional condemn will be wasted. They still don't get that tunneling is caused primarily by a killer being weak.
Reality is almost anything that nerfs killers encourages tunnelling because it is by far the strongest strategy no matter which killer you play. Even a killer with no power and m1 only is ‘encouraged’ to tunnel as much as Nurse is. Not saying you are wrong but until tunnelling is actually made harder (no stupid I’m ready to be tunnelled noise when someone gets unhooked and slow the interface so the killer does not automatically know for STARTERS) almost any killer nerf encourages them towards tunnelling.
The entire condemn stack mechanic is built around tunneling to begin with. I don't really see that as a problem, since there's a huge trade off in terms of letting other people run freely around the map.
@@KyokujiFGCpeople running freely around the map and not doing gens is the issue, and when someone is getting tunneled teammates will have to bodyblock. Don't just assume that anyone getting tunneled will singlehandedly loop the killer for 5 gens
@@KyokujiFGC Live Sadako benefits immensely from spreading pressure, even while tunneling. She is more than capable of bringing the game to a halt by spreading injuries, managing TVs, and pushing as many survivors as possible to 4+ stacks (at which point "just hold a tape" is no longer viable). Letting a condemned survivor go cleanse is the right call sometimes. Against the wrong team, tunneling backfires. Which is good, because she has other options.
PTB Sadako was already in danger of losing this aspect of her kit due to the reworked tape mechanics, but the latest change means she can't even force harsh slowdown/safe play on even one survivor who plays correctly against her. As far as I can tell there are no longer incentives for her to do much other than tunnel unless the whole team just refuses to pick up tapes. Which isn't good for her or the people she plays against.
Tunnelling is more of a strategy determined by playstyle and individual player choice. But, if you want to win, it is largely necessitated on the weaker killers against decent teams.
Lets just hope almo doesnt get downed by a billy any time soon
See you in 5 months when they decide to re-work Sadako again
12:10 The fact that you skipped the Quick Gambit change because of how useless the perk still is LMFAO
I was hoping someone else noticed that too 😂😂😂
Them not just making it so STBFL doesn't gain tokens on endurance hits or just not function on someone who is fresh off hooks is insane.
Thinking STBFL needed any changes when you have dogshit m1 killers that needs it...didnt see any mention of buckle up + FTP Or background player ....
@@Ozz3605 No whataboutisms. STBFL needed changes to stop people from camping with it and make it a healthier perk while keeping it strong when used properly. AND FTP+Buckle up needs changes. BHVR fumbled both.
@@thewolfgirlexpertSimple changes, make STBFL deactivated when in a certain radius of a hooked survivor, make buckle up work once per hook stage instead of infinity, and make it so background player has to be manually activated around a downed survivor so killers have some counterplay around it.
Was that hard?
@@NickDaGamer1998 I didn't say it wouldn't be. My reply was just saying to not go "but what about survivors" when something that is unhealthy gets changed.
@@Ozz3605 They said in a Q&A that their "Looking Into it" and i Think they said something along the lines of "it's tough" and that there wouldn't be any changes to it strictly soon.
My personal conclusion/Opinion: they Literally do not know how to nerf the perk in a way that keeps both perk's relevant and doesn't gut them, because no one uses them much at ALL untill their together. I don't see people running one without the other in my games. they have to make the perks relevant without having them synergize in that exact way that breaks the game.
So glad they nerfed Sadako when she was like D tier and then buffed Blight and kept Billy the same
Billy is nowhere near "the same" there's no way
Nah billy is way better now but blight with 7 rushes and blighted crow is insane
@@majigoro2474 not as insane as the old adrenaline crow blight.
With the new combo, you get a maximum of 23% increase in rush speed and you still have to wait 14 seconds for the 7 tokens to recharge.
The old was better because it gave you a 46% increase in speed with only having to want 7 seconds for it to recharge.
The new adrenaline crow combo is definitely more fair Than it's old version.
@@bapob No I’m saying he’s the same as he was on the PTB
Sadako D tier? Pepelaugh
Notice how there is no mention of Buckle-Up + FTP, didn't even make the "Watch List".
0:55 This is the issue with this community though. When Sadako got reworked everyone lost their minds about how broken she was because everyone was still playing against old Sadako and not interacting with her power and letting her spam teleports/condemn. People finally figured out "oh shit I'm actually suppose to interact with the tvs and carry a tape around to avoid being condemned." Now we have the exact same thing happening of people not interacting with her power and BHVR immediately jumping to "fix" it.
This community wants to do gens and loop killers anything that adds an extra element to the game people throw up their arms and just say fuck that I'm not doing it, and then when that bites them in the ass they complain about it. Pinhead is a perfect example of this. One tiny mechanic of solving his box and nobody does it and then people bitch about having to deal with chain hunt all game long.
People complain for the sake of complaining they don't want to learn or even think about anything they just want to loop drop pallets and that's it. They literally complain about anything like babies that don't want to take their medicine, and the one who will take it is the said killer or perk users that like the character and don't want it to be nerfed but they nerf it even if the ability is dogshit
I definitely do think people go over the top, but most of the forced killer powers are boring as hell. I hate pinhead for all my life, but he probably has the best one, an effect that affects every player in the game, anyone can help, and it doesn't instant kill. Sadako is just instant kill tunnel, Pig is just instant kill tunnel, Even pyramid head can tunnel effectively (When the whole point is for their ability is not to be able to). If you want to have things are pretty much rng/tunnel bait then yea, people are going to complain.
Might just come down to being unlucky, but I have yet to see a Sadako NOT tunnel the first person she stacked condemned on. "Oh but she's an M1 killer so she has to". Ok? That's a huge problem with the killer itself more than the "Condemned" ability. Actually fix HER instead of trying to just fix the condemn.
Hard disagree. With teleport spam and global condemn, you had the initial minute or so to find a TV to camp before it turned on to immediately grab a tape, and if you didn't you would be found, repeatedly zoned, and condemned in like 2 minutes assuming the Onryo player was skillled and experienced. All 4 players needed to do this or somebody would be dead at 3 gens. She was extremely powerful especially for how easy it was/is to play condemn.
@@peterjonesly Bro is complaining about Pig. I can't make a better example of exactly what OP was talking about. Any killer can tunnel. Nerfing a killer to the ground just because they have the potential to play in a way that the community considers controversial is stupid. That's like if I cut off your fingers because I was worried you might try drugs someday. They're just cutting down killers before they can even shine. Onryo is becoming less and less formidable and the license is becoming a waste.
I'm confused on why you'd even bother having multiple killers if they all play the exact same way. Killers are meant to be different and have different playstyles.
Yeah, came to this conclusion a while ago too. I think the devs are significantly to blame due to the lack of info survivors get on the number of killers in the game. If you don't play both sides, playing against weird killers is probably super disconcerting. Still, even the involved community falls into this stereotype, so they surely share some blame as well.
I'm surprised people think the new Hillbilly is fine. I'm mostly concerned about his new speed after missing. It's going to be 2.3 m/s (right now it's 1.38 m/s) and the cooldown will be shorter (2.5s instead of 3s). It's basically the same thing as with Xenomorph that used to be able to miss M2 and still lose almost no distance. His other buffs are fine, but this one rewards bad plays.
Making the condemned stacks cleansable actually encourages the killer to tunnel, because they want to get you down again before you can cleanse. When the stacks were stuck, the killer could let you go away, because there was nothing you could do.
Um… no…. The whole point is to get as much condemned stacks as possible so she can mori you. If she knows you’re locking in a lot of stacks it encourages her to tunnel you and get you fully condemned asap
@davidhokeyhoke476 if I hook someone to lock in stacks, I want to keep condemning them so they don't get rid of them, otherwise it's a waste of time so... um no?
@@GoombaInAShoe how tf is it a waste of your time? You don’t have to actively do anything extra to spread condemned other than use your power to your advantage and in doing so you create slowdown for survivors who choose to remove stacks. Allowing survivors to remove stacks in no way shape or form encourages tunneling - why the hell would a killer LET A SURVIVOR GET AWAY just because they have stacks they can’t get rid of? So you can potentially mori them later? That’s stupid, and if that’s your playstyle you deserve to lose. You shouldn’t get to make stupid decisions so you can be rewarded for them later. Being able to condemn a survivor is an extra option but you can - and should - still hook survivors to kill them. You shouldn’t only need to hook survivors to lock in condemned - your mori is something you should have to work for and it’s not your only option.
@@David_Hypnos Finally someone whio understands that the nerf isn't that bad and it is needed. People would still tunnel, even if Sadako was stronger or weaker. The whole : "If Sadako would've been stronger, i wouldn't tunnel" argument is bullshit. The Sadako Mori should be a punishement for survivors not doing TVs , but she still needs to m1 and hook the survivors.
@@nerionzanear7814 this community is fucking wild, man. If one streamer says something they all hop on the bandwagon. No one can think for themselves and most ppl only care about how easy they can win rather than about actual balance or fairness or challenge.
Of course, they couldn't have just taken a W without messing up again. I only saw few people complaining about new Sadako but all of those complaints were about her being *too weak!* They didn't need to nerf her! Gosh I'm so discouraged. The one time i thought bhvr actually dod something great they shat their pants again
Never underestimate the power of naivety and ignorance, a couple of survivor only players cry and before you know it, a 110 killer with no power would be op. I mean just look at the legion rework, the forums were flooded with complaints that he was op, and the changes made little difference to his placement in the killer ranks. Essentially these survivor players just didn’t understand how to play against legion, and this is a killer for which survivors have some of the simplest and most effective counterplay strategies in the game.
Anyone else have trust issues with Scott and immediately skip to the end of his patch reviews just to confirm it's legit...
we dont talk about that......one patch....
Cmon its been awhile
@@fitzwits does he know?
@@fitzwits I don't trust you
@@frb5237 I don't think he knows
Onryo is actual trash now, and it makes me very sad. I’ve been an Onryo main since her launch, but I think I may have to finally drop her and find a new killer.
She’s always been one of the worst killers in the game that recent update they did to her didn’t even make her broken. Everyone was just overreacting now the devs have gone and ruined her.
they just made her old onryo again. it's what players wanted right? she was always trash.
welcome to the life of being a twins main...always on the verge of picking up a new main. who am i kiding i just gave up and P100ed Wesker.....
My prediction: There will be so much more hillbillly players at first, and so the bhvr stats they look at will show that he is underperforming/average. Eventually after some times passes only good billy players will be around and the bhvr stats will go up, bhvr will see that as a problem and nerf him into the ground again.
She had a fun play style and they ruined. Jesus Christ they fix billy and nerf the fun parts of onroyo. Like how are they this bad constantly
Did they really fix Billy? The overheat mechanic is still entirely inconsequential, before it was hard to trigger and now it's hard to not trigger, and now you go so fast that it's hard to control.
It almost seems like they're trying to intentionally be disappointing, because you can get addicted to a certain kind of sadness.
@@misteral9045 the new billy is nothing but a massive buff, what do you mean
@@Angel_Flash You're confused because I'm talking about how the character plays, not buffs or nerfs.
@@misteral9045 the character is meant to be hard to use
Wow they didn’t re-nerf Billy and make him worse than he was pre-ptb, that’s surprising
BHVR just loves throwing nerfs as Sadako.
They should at least buff Onryo chase to compensate for the nerfs. Like maybe when she’s demanifested, she can phase through pallets, breakable walls, and windows?
That’s not a horrible idea.
thats too much. her demanifest is literally like 1.5 seconds. hell no
That's busted. You have to remember she can trigger a chase while demanifested now. Not only can she get out of it fast, she can now reach bloodlust along with that.
Maybe for each stack of condemn give survivors a %1-1.5 hindrance status effect? It's passive slowdown since they have to run to the gen and gives her some kind of stuff to help her in chase
That would great but breakable walls would be too much, vault locations and thrown pallets is enough but they would need to double how long it takes to demanifest in chase to account for it.
bhvr should just scrap condemned if they have no idea what they want from it
Sadako died so billy could live
It's just embarrassing bhow they keep nerfing trash killers cuz they apparently a bit too decent while keeping Nurse and Blight top tier for years with a straight face, this is just selective favoritism among killers by Bhvr
They nerf them for solo queue. Which is why I think solo should be done away with. Who plays solo in a game where you're on a team of other people?
The Onryo nerf is the Freddy effect. Survivors wouldn’t wake up so they have them a reward for doing so whilst also nerfing the shit out of him.
The same with her. Survivors won’t use a tape so she gets nerfed.
This adds to my crippling depression centered around sadako. Can i just have original sadako or something just remove ring drawing idc anymore
as a retired survivor main that stopped the game years and years ago, I might come back since billy is finally in a good spot again, he was by far the most fun to play against, I just have the whole game to relearn
Meanwhile, they still are ok with Victor being unable to pounce over pallets. One day BHVR will remember twins exist besides saying “we’re gonna rework them entirely eventually”
Victor doesnt need to be able to punce over them though? He is already 150% speed by default (and not a single dedicated twins player plays without even more speed). Do you want victor to have no counterplay at the occassional safe pallets?
@@Qeseuit's literally a bug that he can't anymore. What are you on about
@@Leaf__22 what bug? He cant pounce over a pallet? Original comment doesnt state that there is a bug so my thought was they want to give victor like a scamper mechanic
@@Qeseu do you even play dbd?
@@Leaf__22 not knowing a twins bug = dont play dbd? How dumb are you man
I believe the way SBFL was changed in the PTB isnt because they wanted it to work that way but because they werent able to code "whenever obsession gets hit by normal or special attacks" so they just went with "whenever loses a health state" to see how it worked on average while they changed the code properly.
Well that can't be the case, because if it was then how was it able to distinguish between obsessions being hit with power vs a normal M1? The coding was already there. I think they wanted to dumb down the phrasing, and went with what seemed more simple than actually mentioning the different attacks.
@@IMAFEEISH We are talking about a game coded in such way that changing something to a pallet breaks 10 different perks, 5 animations and 3 killer powers and an entire realm layout, I 100% believe they couldnt code it without making it so buggy the perk wouldnt be able to be tested in the PTB, any other company I would think like you, with BHVR? Think poorly and youll nail it.
They already have that functionality coded in Hex: Third Seal, though it is BHVR so I can't say that disproves your theory. As far as the Wiki says, there are two killers who can deal health state damage without a basic or special attack: Trapper and Trickster. I would bet the goal of the original change was to harm all killers equally, rather than making those two specifically stronger users of the perk. Whatever the case, I'm happy they changed it.
I think you misunderstand the issue with that the CD on condemned stacking was meant to addressed. It wasn't for using the Condemned power in chase. If a survivor was near a powered TV, she could teleport repeatedly to a bunch of random other TVs to build stacks on them. Normally, the survivor would react and you'd only get probably 2 stacks... unless the TV is in a hard to reach place, which is basically all two story maps. Then they physically can't get away from powered TVs fast enough and can't get to the powered TV fast enough to disable it to stop that from happening. And the main problem here is at the very start of the match. A Sadako that spammed teleports on an indoor map with a high cluster of TVs from the second they turn on could easily have multiple survivors at 3-4 stacks within like 30 seconds. At which point, they could then swap to the more regular condemned style because they've got them already almost dead.
10 seconds seems too much to prevent that? The Condemn cooldown could be 5 seconds, allowing survivors to have enough time to run away from the TV or grab its tape
This is upsetting but very accurate, good comment.
Man I think they need to just remove the lethal aspect of condemn so they can make it stronger, since it's so feast or famine it's extremely hard to balance. Give it something else like a gen speed repair penalty or something and make it accumulate faster, make it something survivors don't want to stack up without it being an instant kill
And still imma see solo teammates that are dead at 4 gens against Onryo because they don't know anything.
my idea for a new change;
for every individual survivor hooked once, each survivor gets a 0.75 permanent condemn. all 4 survivors means 3 perm stacks. Tunellers won't benefit, and people who play fun will!.
Maybe once you hook a survivor 3 times they should get 7 stacks of condemn, so that once you down them again you can mori them
@@chances7035 .. 3 hooks is already dead
The Sadako change may actually encourage tunneling more. To use the 4 stacks Scott gave as an example, if only two get locked in then the killer may want to tunnel in order to ensure they can capitalize on all four stacks. But if all four get locked it, then there’s no rush, whenever they find that survivor again they are guaranteed to still have all four stacks.
EDIT: In addition, the lock-in mechanic would incentivize tunneling to the same people that the reverse bear traps incentivize tunneling to. People who don’t understand to point of the killer and end up playing them in a worse way. Some pigs tunnel the trapped survivor, without thinking about the fact that that person is busy anyway and should ideally be left alone. The same thing is true for sadako, instead of tunneling someone with 4 locked-in condemn stacks it might be a better idea to let them freak out and clear their condemn every time they get one more stack.
It don’t matter sadako weak asf. If you ain’t good at looping then you’re done for. Since she no longer has global condemn she is barely going to be able to condemn unless she does the slugging playstyle again.
Very well said
Some crafty Onryo players came up with the obvious way to spread condemn more efficiently, so let's take that away from them. Makes about as much sense as some Weskers learning to hug tech, better stop that behavior. BTW, the counterplay is more straightforward than ever: pick up a Tape.
Less crafty and more exploitative- they designed it a certain way for balancing reasons and players found a loophole - so they fixed it. Also, it’s no longer as straightforward as it was since you have to travel to the furthest tv to insert the tape. That kind of slowdown is very powerful and will need to be done far more often now that condemned stacks can be locked in.
@davidhokeyhoke476 Having a target TV was how she originally worked, and trust me, it was not noticeable slow down. What was troublesome balance-wise was being able to reset those target TVs and leave someone slugged in front of it, forcing condemn. That's why old Iri Tape won't come back and Ring Drawing was changed. Without a downside like passive Condemn building, there is no real downside to picking up a Tape anymore, you just have to eventually deposit it in a specific TV.
@@lachenstars if it’s not noticeable at all let’s just change it back so you can put it in any tv. There doesn’t NEED to be a downside to picking up a tape - the tape IS the counter. Considering that condemned stacks can be locked in now it’s way more important for survivors to regularly move tapes around to avoid getting stuck with it - and considering that condemn can still be spread just as easily survivors will have to adhere to this play style. That is major slowdown. The majority of survivor games go downhill when not enough ppl are on gens (it’s called pressure) so being able to ensure that just by teleporting around the map (which has its own advantages) is powerful. Once again, there’s a reason Onryo has such high kill rates.
@davidhokeyhoke476 they are reducing the amount you can lock in condemn, and Scott is right that that actually promoted tunneling more. Regularly interacting with TVs is the goal and you're right that survivors need to realize that. But capitalizing on that still means a killer who is weak in chase has to win chases. Her kill rates were skewed by new players that didn't interact with TVs until it was too late.
High kill rates can easily be from survivors not learning the correct counterplay, not necessarily being proof that the killer needs to be nerfed. Right now she is at her strongest, but I'll take this new rework gladly because it was braindead getting easy condemn pressure. It wasn't fun.
The issue with Blight isn't even his add-ons imo, the issue is that there's no downside. The 20 second cooldown means absolutely NOTHING for Blight because it's infinite, as a player, I won't care about losing power for 20 seconds if I fuck up because my power is infinite, imagine if Nurse had a similar add-on where she had infinite blinks. Now obviously blinks and rushes aren't the same, but Nurse and Blight are the 2 strongest killers in the game, they're already difficult to counter, now they have these crazy add-ons ON TOP of their already insane abilities.
This is where BHVR keeps missing the mark, strong killers get add-ons that make them insanely stronger, while weaker killers get add-ons that make them only slightly stronger. Look at Wraith for example, now personally I think Wraith is insanely underrated, but compare his add-ons to stronger killers. Most of them just allow you to go slightly faster, uncloak slightly faster, cloak slightly faster, meanwhile other killers get insta-downs, super strong aura reading, you keep your power longer, breaking pallets around you, blocking windows, blocking pallets, slowing survivors down, etc. Their inability to give other killers strong shit, while also balancing stronger ones is ridiculous, I'm not saying those killers should get gutted, but there's no reason for them to get such strong add-ons, whilst other killers are left in the dirt.
Scott, overdrive add-ons (Those that make the overdrive start to dissipate later or slow down the dissipation rate) are useless, just tap your chainsaw and it'll stop regressing. I'd preferred getting the old spark plug, or other actually useful add-ons instead.
BHVR always find to ruin the ptb was perfect it was about to be perfect patch in dbd history but somehow they fucked up
So sadako is back in F teir again.
Nothing will be done to address out of control gen rates
STBFL is still gonna be nerfed when it was fine.
12:45 not every gen in the map only if survivor is kicked off. So after you see survivor is hooked hop off gen after 2 seconds (give them time to leave that 16m radius) to prevent ur specific gen from being blocked for 30s. only for 12s
Also to add to this it's not 48s. it's 12 for first 3 hooks (36s and then final hook gives you the 40s but they all need to be fresh hooks it's to encourage you to go for fresh hooks)
Honestly with how insane gen speeds have been lately I have no idea why he is complaining about more slowdown options instead of the usual pain res pop.
buffing adrenaline vial is a horrible idea. vial + crow will instantly become the "new" meta. sure the faster recharge is still gone so it's not gonna be as broken as it is right now but you still just can't give a killer like blight such an insane buff with one single green addon. he's not gonna be any more fun to go against when everyone will have 7 rushes + increased rush speed without any downside. and making him feel more fair was the entire point of this addon rework.
It’s arguably MORE broken, You see some blights opt for double speed and other things but with zero downside now why not just get a +5% to your rush speed and an extra two rushes with a better look angle for flicks? There’s genuinely no reason to not run it now.
What do you mean?
The turn rate restriction as a side effect was negligible.
The new combo isn't as strong as the old one.
scott done got a chemical burn from using too many breathe rite strips 😭😭😭
I feel like Bvhr just doesn't fix the problems with Onyro. Like the main problem with her condemned is she can outright kill someone without hooks which is core to how matches function. I don't get why they don't make is so condemned can't kill you unless your on last hook. But before last hook being condemned gives you a debuff or some other penalty so it still works as a slow down and encourages survivors to get tapes.
Because doing that gets rid of a core part of her character from the source material. She's not the only killer that can outright kill someone without hooks, you also have Pyramid Head and Myers (with Add-Ons) and those two play fine as they are.
@@shadowdeath3050 I suggested that she would still get to kill you, but only on your last hook. This is how pyramid head works and would preserve her ability to still outright kill you. Her condemned would just do something else while you weren't on death hook. This would allow them to actually buff her condemn because she would no longer be able to mega tunnel someone out without at least having hooked that person before.
Side note, those Myers Add-ons are problematic, it's just he is an awful killer and those are Add-ons. If he were to ever get buffed to be in line with other killers those add-ons would have to go. Cause being able to kill someone without hooking them breaks dbds gameplay loop. Its why they require mori's now to need hook states.
@@ladyrayrays fair points, I should’ve read the full comment so that’s my bad man. With that being said I agree now that you mention it. I don’t know why they didn’t just leave Sadako how she was on the ptb shit wasn’t even that bad to go against it’s just this game whines when they don’t get something automatically and bitches on twitter about everything that are mostly skill issues on their end. Myers in general is in dire need of some sort of buff or rework to his kit. The fact that you can run out of your power mid match is shit design no matter how anyone tries justifying it. No, his add-ons don’t make up for it either considering you have to spent most of the match stalking just to get a small bit of value out of your power and in that time half the gens will proc and then you’re still able to be pallet looped like an m1 killer with no power.
@@shadowdeath3050 Yea, it feels a lot that Bvhr makes weird work arounds for problems instead of just fixing them half the time. Like with sadako they rather nerf her to hell then fix her core problems of tunneling one person.
I agree with you when it comes to Myers he is going to need so much to actually be good its insane. He has so many drawbacks right now and not enough bonuses to really choose him over other killers. Like he is most similar to ghost face who just doesnt have as many downsides as Myers, even though ghostfaces stealth can be so buggy.
@@shadowdeath3050correction but Myers can only do it as an addon *and* he also plays like complete garbage as a result whose feast or famine is so strong it gives Sadako a run for her money. Pyramid Head can mori but only on 2 hooks. Pig is the closest to Sadako and she has an actual reason to hook due to the delay on trap timers and she still had to have a lot of their behaviors changed to prevent RNG from swinging her wildly from 4 head pops with 4 traps to 4 1 attempt hat offs 0 pops. Difference with Sadako is that she has zero reason to hook even with the changes and no changes to how bad her RNG can be for everyone involved.
5:47 this change is huge. One thing you could do is teleport to other tvs to rapidly build vondemn at the one a survivor was near. It incentivizes survivors to turn of the tv near them or be killed within the first minute of the game. (Punishing players who ignore her power) this means survivors can just not care about tvs because what’s she gonna do. Spend 2 and a half minutes condemning you. You just go put the tape away. Combined with the hook changes this idea in is the survivor counter play. Just don’t give a fuck about her. What’s she gonna do to stop you? Chase?
Yeah, she's returned to being a joke. It's almost insulting at this point. I can't imagine being the creators of the original idea/the owner of the "The Ring" license and being added to a game just to be this miserable.
“Be killed within the first minute of the game.” If you can’t see why that’s a problem then you ARE the problem. It’s not about being able to ignore her power which is more than just stacking condemned - it’s about fair counterplay. There are plenty of tvs, they don’t stay turned off forever, and survivors can’t be unable to do anything else just so they don’t get fully condemned within a minute.
@@David_Hypnoswhy is picking up a tape at the highlighted tv nearby not already fair counterplay?
@@slavajuri did you even read what I wrote?
@@David_Hypnos If you're constantly getting killed by condemned you need to be grabbing more tapes and delivering them. If you're eating rapid fire condemn stacks, do you ever think: Hey maybe I should just turn off that TV so she can't condemn me? Or do you just sit there heedlessly working on the generator and ignore your constantly climbing condemn bar?
Why hasnt bhvr removed gaining stacks on deep wound? That's the problem. Even I hit unhooked survivors to get extra stbfl stacks
That was honestly all that was needed in my opinion, make endurance hits not affect the perk problem solved
There is debating the Grim/Dead Man's synergy, actually.
Grim Embrace is not every time a survivor is hooked (which is literally what you said). It's only the first time a survivor is hooked. Meaning, it only works 4 times. It literally deactivates after that. It also, because of this, discourages tunneling if you want value from the perk.
But hey, definitely nerf it if we want to take away YET ANOTHER build possibility that only gets value by not tunneling. No skin off my back. I'll just tunnel every game. *shrug*
Done.
Literally, if the game is a "PaRtY gAmE" and "tHe chasE Is thE mOSt FUN PArT of thE GaMe, anD HOLdINg M1 Is boRINg", then this shouldn't be an issue. Or, maybe, it's only supposed to be a party game for one side. Get rid of gen PROGRESSION perks and items, then this would be overpowered. Until then, you're simply incorrect. Period.
Why not simply.. make it so people can't gain more condemned for a minute after unhook? So the stacks you got are "locked in" in either direction, for a bit at least.
Blight finally getting toned down AT ALL after 3 years of being busted is good though.
I fucking hate what they've done with Adrenaline Vial. It went from an alternate playstyle to a massive upgrade to fucking worthless and now it's right back to standard steroid.
Just revert it to it's original state, FFS.
Why bhvr doesnt consult people like scott and other smarter players before finalizing changes is mind boggling. Pure constant oversight. People who actually play the gane with any skill or thought can instantly tell you issues with your changes. Shows bhvr cant even play their game at a high level to even think.
BHVR be like we added this new change for onryo and we understand you guys actually like it but we saw you guys liked it and a couple of you even figured out how to use this mechanic well so we're going back to making her unplayable.
Patch notes in a nutshell:
"Because of the crying of unskilled players we have decided to nerf everything that was weak to begin with."
I understand the blight thing, although it's from crying.
What are they smoking?
Also STBFL was not OP, lmao. Nerf every M1 Killer as well.
And too much slowdown? Generators are 1 and a half minutes, gens fly. Even with deadlock, as experienced killer.
If, we need MUCH slowdown or make survivors slower because playing survivor is so easy, it's downright unfair that the killer is the bully victim in high mmr. (Not even, can lose against 1time players because of generators)
I say that as solo survivor, who says the game is easy. So easy it's ridicolous. Good Idea, a 4v1 game that is favored by survivors. Good idea, really.
Player count is dropping.
I will never understand BHV, they nerf Onry but buff blight ? huh, they always nerf the weaker killers but buff thr stronger one, just doesn't make sense.
Adrenaline vile was almost not the most broken addon in the game for second.
yea it was op, then garbage then op again. but at least the gutted every other good blight add on i guess
I can’t wait to see if this update makes vaults bugged again
They should turn onryo into a 4.4 killer and give her cooldown on her manifestation at this point lol. Also that quick gambit buff is so friggin pathetic. %8 within 32m is horrible. If it was like a %20 maybe it might be worth a perk slot
The Sadako stuff is so stupid. OMG, Sadako might be encouraged to tunnel me! Who cares, it's Sadako! Not some killer with a chase power that I have to worry about.
They are probably hoping the lazy survivors will stop complaining about Sadako and they will count that as a success and never touch Sadako again. Im so tilted about this, i was so pumped to play the new Sadako rework since i main her now im just depressed about it and dont care about playing her.
How could they ruin her this bad and have the nerve to use the poor excuses they chose 😔
Onryo reads to me as "Well if survivors doesnt respect Condemned then they get punished badly for it and we dont want the little surwiwows to be punished"
Which is something you can say for every single killer.
If survivors dont respect bear traps. If survivors dont respect RBT. If survivors dont respect hatchets. If survivors dont respect Blight rushes. If survivors dont respect Nurse blinks. If survivors dont respect chainsaws. If survivors dont respect Freddy pools. Etc etc.
Fire whoever decided to nerf Onryo for this reason.
Well I just redownloaded this game and I’m about to uninstall it I got bored because survivor is so easy I get iri 1 rank in a week and I dread playing killer because I do good I get death threats I do bad I get some twelve year old and his swf bragging like they all didn’t have second chances getting really fed up with behavior just favoring survivor it’s already easy they just dont wanna learn and instead just wanna run around using 1 brain cell and win
Sad part is both your video and Otz video mirror each other. The devs will never change or revert mistakes they make it changes because their ego is like a survivor who teabags the community than goes down and disconnects 20 seconds later when things didn’t go their on way. 😅
If you want Sadako's condemn uncapped, you'll have to wait two years for that. They did for Billy 🙄
When onryo is buffed she's miserable to play against when she's nerfed....she still sucks to play against because they just spam teleport and never chase
In my experience, Survivors hide and dont want to he chased, and these are level 100 players with experience. I dont believe folks when they say they want to be chased, but then you have to spend 15 mins searching for them.
Anyone who plays Onyro hard tunnel every game. They look at statistics then blow up the reddit with posts. Show them this line of thought is flawed.
The worst part of Sadako is and will always be the no hook mori: It is irrelevant what other things she has, if she can 0 hook mori you won't be able to fix her and buff her without her becoming intrinsically awful to face. I'm not shocked AT ALL that BHVR is walking back changes to her that could be strong given that they're already pushing her back into the slug - condemn gameplay loop where hooks never even enter the equation, I'm just more shocked people don't get it given that Pig had to face several really big nerfs to tune down her one trap headpops so she could get minor buffs to ambush.
WOAHHHH sbott junud!!!
Actually a player is less likely to be focused out if the condemned stacks remain after hook because you have banked stacks. If they can get rid of them then there is more pressure to just kill that player now
Why do people want Onryo to be OP? Y’all realize her power let’s you mori someone and get them out the game right? it shouldn’t be super easy to get
K so now adrenaline vial + blighted crow will be the new meta, meaning that full speed blight will remain and now with 2 more rushes good job bhvr
it is worst than the old adrenaline vial and blighted crow and 14 cooldowns is something
entitled survivor main try not to complain:impossible
The onryo condemn lock change just encourages tunneling more, no?
Since they can remove stacks over 2, i feel increased pressure to follow them off hook to prevent them from doing tapes.
if they kept the full condemn lock i could just let them go and catch them naturally later
Or you could just tunnel them off hook anyway and try to force condemned as fast as possible (the way people did in the PTB.) She can still spread condemned easily, and the slowdown from having to grab a tape and take it to the furthest tv is very beneficial. There is no way you “need” to tunnel to effectively spread condemned especially that 2 stacks will still lock-in. Whether they left it as was or as is going to be killers are still going to tunnel and try to spam condemned.
Yeah not to mention they have slowdown after hook. They're the ones far more likely to leave gens to deal with her power so you could leave them and try to slow the others for a bit before coming back. Now fuck it why even bother leaving
people have already been doing that though . Hell thou do that strat now on live servers
@@jilujoilujiut2165 people already do that, yeah. The issue with making the change is now there's increased pressure to tunnel early (if you tunnel when you feel the need to because gens are too fast, rather than choosing to tunnel just because)
Yep. No incentive whatsoever to leave them be. Even worse than the live version where you should hard tunnel the first heartbeat if you have any opportunity to.
I still to this day can't trust any of your patch videos after THAT one😂
Basically all they need to do is un nerf stbfl and revert onryo back to her ptb state and everything's fine
Don't care about anything else. I only care about Billy and they didn't nerf him so I'm happy with the patch.
Quick gambit should give +25% gen speed to all survivors (kinda like open handed) as long as the killer is in a chase with the survivor who got unhooked last. Literally anti-tunneling and fun perk to use.
I think the problems with Onryo are map specific, on a map like Midwich she can just spam teleport very easily, and catch more survivors than on an open outdoor map. Other than that I didn’t really have any issues facing her on the PTB, like you said, it just took a few matches to figure out how to counter her.
It's her 0 hook mori, not maps, as huge maps force survivors into greater time sinks and that's part of why she's good on The Game and Midwitch: It's literally 2 maps sandwiched on each other just with the added bonus of her projection hitting through the floor making the RNG significantly less impactful. But on big maps where you have like 5 - 4 Gen splits on two opposing sides she is just as annoying to face as you will spend an hour just delivering tales while she farms condemneds on the nearby TVs. Farming that condemned for a free kill >>> locking in condemned.
I feel like the condemn change only encourages more tunneling because now if the survivor gets left alone for a while they can remove most of the condemn whereas previously you could let the survivor go secure in the knowledge that the condemn was permanent. It feels like by trying to remove tunneling they only made it an even more viable, and arguably necessary, strategy for a condemn based Onryo.
Another thing about stbfl is that the changes don't affect all killers either, not sure if this was tested or not but a trapper trap isn't really a special attack unless they coded it to be or killers with one shots are still going to get decent use out of the perk. There's far better perks for some of these killers but it's kind of like how small game would tell you where trapper or hag traps were making the killer indirectly weaker.
They probably managed to make it count knowing them
@@sapphicseas0451 Definitely something to test at least in the new patch, stbfl going to be a trapper only perk lol
Until they fix all the ridiculous survivor sided stuff, they shouldn't nerf tunneling
Your thoughts on STBFL I have to hard disagree. You can still tunnel off hook with or without the perk. The damn perk has 2 hard counters already. What more is needed?
Stfu about stbfl. Killers already tunnel in 70+% of games. The change to stbfl won't change that. jfc you live in a bubble of "I play fair". Sure you do, but most killers do not. They run 3-4 slow downs, the strongest killer/addons they can, and tunnel and proxy camp.
I'm still gonna tunnel anyone. I dont tunnel because I want to win anymore, I just do it because Killers will get nerfed regardless of it I do or dont.
And again BHVR ignores actually addressing the tunneling issue. It would require a general killer change, not just changes to individual killers, to diminish the strategy.
I find it insulting, how BHVR saw reaction of the community, and instead of simply not includ Sadako changes on the update, they said "we see that you angry, but don't worry. We will fix it in the next small patches"
I don't understand, why we need to wait for this fixes if this nerf not even in the game yet. Why f8x when they can just exclude it from the update?
Oh boy i'm really scared of getting killed by condemn when i'm on death hook
Honestly the quick gambit change is pretty cool I wanna see if it’s possible to get any value out of it
Grim Embrace and DMS Wii not be a problem lmao it’s exactly like Pain Rez + DMS just use your brain when you see a new survivor being hooked and let go of the gen right as they’re being hooked. It’s painfully simple😂 You’ll get caught by the first one and that’s it.
It's annoying how clueless they are of their own game. Anytime killer gets nerfed I will tunnel and camp on purpose for weeks after each patch to make was many survivors quit as possible until one day they stop holding hands and actually know how the games played.
Same. It's like they want us to do the opposite. Winning is fun, but getting back at Survivors for always whining is waaay more fun. They hate folks who do this, but literally gives us no other choice. 😂😂😂
The generator changes will absolutely be noticeable even if you are not dragging matches out excessively if you are using Eruption or Surge with any other slowdowns. They just made Eruption F tier.
Certain slowdown perks can no longer be used with other perks - mainly Surge and Eruption can no longer stack with anything else without giving the survivors a free gen.
8 regression instances is A LOT. Even if 2 perks are being used together that means it would still have to proc on one gen 4 times… besides, the gen changes are overall a win for killers. Gen tapping being gone is a HUGE win for killers and I can guarantee 99% of them won’t notice the gen regression nerfs unless they are trying to 3-gen.
You shouldn't need more than 8 regression events on a single generator to win your matches. If you're getting to that point you *are* dragging out matches.
those perks are meh anyway. pain res/ embrace /dms and Deadlocked has been where its at since Eruption nerfs lol
What happens when Survivors drag out matches? It's funny how no one addresses this. 😂😂😂
They just kille the character. Wtf is wrong with them
Devs thinking that giving quick gambit a 3% buff will make the perk valuable instead of just reworking it
Just like BHVR to take a patch people were hyped for and dampened it.
are you okay scott? I'm not very good at being polite but your "color" is concerning a little in this video and im hoping its just the lighting
Nega Scott was trying to take over his body.
"By Peanits"
Great.. the totally un-survivor-biased community manager is back again to tells us that everything wrong with the game's poor balance and gameplay is soley the Killer's fault.
as a blight player, i dont understand why they removed the turn rate penalty on adrenaline vile, literally no decent blight had a problem with that, in fact, i kinda liked it, and now my muscle memory is gonna be all screwed up next time i play. bhvr moment #3087
bruh why treating sadako like this? I think this is overall a "buff"? for me as I only play her because i like her but the way her condemn works I never really cared for. Just not a fan of a mechanic that either does nothing or wins you the game and at this point, will basically always do nothing. She's no longer a stealth killer as much since chase starts while in stealth. I think that change would be find if it just continues chance after you first reveal yourself. I wish she had some chase power. I basically always run the phone addon to apply hindered when I manifest near someone. I also wish condemn did anything else extra instead of just kill them. I would've love another doctor like power that applied certain effects to survivors based on stacks. Like jump scares while repairing gens or just seeing a fake sadako walk towards them.
I really don't get why they do the ptb, let people test it for like a month and then make sweeping changes after and have zero testing for the new changes.
i don't understand why condemned is even a thing, if they're going to keep nerfing it so hard they should just rework it and make it easier to accumulate and instead of being able to kill the condemned person sadako should get a buff for each condemned player like a speed boost or walls every few seconds