Pyramid head, is the only outright divine character in DBD. All the S tiers can be considered independent contractors to the entity. The entity is a multiversal and can attract characters like pin head with thier own agendas. They are there by choice and can leave whenever they choose but ultimately they serve their masters first and the entity second.
@maxigromek4444 dredge can technically be considered an offshoot of the entity. Pyramid head is a divine attendant created by silent hills god, Pin head is a cenobite, and sadako is highly implied to be a demigod. And since entity is plant like dredge can be classified as a seedling.
Lol Independent Contractors: Entity: After a yearly performance report, We're very pleased with the amount of kills you've managed to secure. SADAKO: ....I want a raise. Entity: I'd like to point out that the majority of your kills are secured by your own curse to your own benefit. SADAKO: DID I STUTTER? Entity: What are you doing with those TV's. Sadako: YOU GET CONDEMNED, YOU GET CONDEMEND, YOU ALL GET CONDEMNED
Myers also has the ability to outright disobey the trial. He can go against the entities will and rules through his sheer will and the evil within him by moriing survivors. I would say that would put him a bit higher
He's not S tier. His willpower and evil within him allow him to not be mentally subjugated by the Entity, but otherwise his supernatural abilities are relatively weak. His superhuman strength, durability and immortality put him above B tier, but aren't anything special within A tier. While Michael cannot leave Entity's realm or overpower the Entity, Pyramid Head, Sadako and Pinhead are able to do these things. So A tier suits him best.
Following along with the conversation, I definitely feel most comfortable with Myers in high A. Great point that he can go against the rules of the trial, and my understanding is he is the immortal version of Myers, but there's others who can not only disobey the Entity's rules, but also outright leave if they want to (or in Sadako's case I'd argue she's not even really there in the first place but a psychic projection through her connection to the Entity). I'd be comfortable putting him low S as well. Also, sorry it took me so long to respond!
@@EchoInTheKettleexcept he actually is S tier. His supernatural abilities are weak??? He's got so much more than a super enhanced body with physical abilities. In fact, I would say all that is just a byproduct of his mental power. His hax is ridiculous, to the point that he can just force you to kill yourself out of pure terror inducement. He can also manipulate people's dates and events to his desire. He is always 10 steps ahead of anyone because of his incomprehensible intelligence. The Shape is S tier.
If I remember correctly Myers is the only killer in the lore that actually just walked into the realm. Like some killers (trapper etc) we’re taken or kidnapped. Some had a deal like pyramid head or possibly demogorgon. Some were lured in like cenobite with the box. Some literally had to beg their way in like Blight. But the entity is tough and doesn’t just allow anyone in meaning supposedly after Laurie was taken, Myers I’m almost 100% sure wasn’t kidnapped but a little later on, he just found the fog and charged through and got in, because he is the embodiment of evil. I don’t believe any other killer had actually done this, I could be wrong though.
I'll defer to the Chucky lore enthusiasts on this one, but I do believe you were correct before Chucky's release, that Myers was the one to just in. Pyramid Head was invited, Sadako has a psychic connection with the Entity and I actually believe her lore suggests she's just projecting herself into the realm though that connection. Pinhead may have been lured in but I'm confident he can leave willingly. There's definitely others who are glad to be there (i.e. Trickster), some tricked or deceived (i.e. Plague), and others held by force (i.e. Trapper). Also, sorry it took me so long to respond!
@@theARoberts it’s no worries! I didn’t know about some of the others, but yea I’m pretty sure though Pinheads mori at least that he too can probably leave whenever he wants to lol
@@evildragon04 Yes, I'd agree with that too, I forgot to mention him. It would be very strange if he could remove Survivors from the realm at will and not leave himself.
Rank strongest survivors. Yes some survivors are so ridiculously strong that they’re able to defeat all the cast of killers and even the entity (Looking at you Cheryl and Ash)
I sort of did a version of this already, but not quite. It was who stands the best chance of escaping each Killer, and went into some of that conversation: ua-cam.com/video/FGgjPh3CfhY/v-deo.html. But I like your idea and I've added it to the list for consideration 😊I appreciate the suggestion
lol I felt the main divider between C and B was human vs. supernatural nature for the most part. She probably became the gatekeeper because I'm a big advocate that a lot of people underestimate how incredibly effective and dangerous she is 😅
22:00 your reasoning for blight is somewhat sound, however, the Halloween animatic shows blighted trapper having been captured and only escaping after his strength is increased by the blighted serum. Also while Doctor and Wesker seem open to experimenting on themselves, I doubt the other killers would have allowed it
To be clear, I do not believe the other Killers allowed it, just that their blighted skin doesn't necessitate that the Blight overpowered and captured them. In many cases, he could have just ambushed them and injected them, but never actually captured them.
It would make sense. As far as I remember, his lore is pretty sparse on details, but with the fog parallels I could see merit to it. I honestly can't imagine BHVR making such a big deal out of the fog of the realm, and then to make an original character that is literally a black fog that absorbs its victims, and there not be some kind of connection.
It might have been said by someone else, but I can also argue Blight being top of A tier. As we know, there is a "dumping ground" for the empty husks and shells of anything that the entity has completely drained of energy called 'The Void', If I'm not mistaken, Blight was able to crawl his way out of that pit and back into the realm, I'd say being able to deny what is effectively the entities trashcan is a big feat in itself.
I've heard something like that, but honestly haven't read through all of his lore either to confirm. If true, that would be a pretty huge feat. Unsure if he did that before transforming into the Blight though? Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
One note I want to add about Pyramid Head is he is actually there to punish the Entity. When it was invited to the trials, it switched targets immediately to the Entity. The Entity has committed unforgivable acts and is malicious to pyramid head's standards. So it is punishing the Entity by disrupting the trials with its Final Judgement, taking away the Entity's meals. It also creates "wounds" in the trials when dragging its knife, and since the trials are part of the Entity, the knife is literally cutting into the Entity as a form of punishment. And because the Entity can't feel or understand guilt or punishment, Pyramid Head's job will never be completed, thus making his stay in the realm permanent. The Entity will be punished by Pyramid Head for all eternity
Pyramid Head being there to punish the Entity is a theory and isn’t backed by any lore within Silent Hill or DBD. He is still powerful but nothing says he is there to punish the entity.
His power is just a reference of the otherworldy transition in SH2, where the real world peels off and the hell world landscape became rusty, blood and barbed wire.
@@disgruntledmanlet I agree it doesn't make him star level, and while I don't recall where I read it, it was said "turn off the sun" not "blocks the sun" or "creates a dark mist" it is specifically said to turn off the sun.
If you can point me to where that is I'd definitely be interested to read up on that. I see your point about Hux. When I recorded he was pretty new to the game if I remember correctly, so I wasn't as confident in my ranking on that one. I could be convinced of A. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
First off, welcome back! It’s great to see you again!! Second, I believe I was the one who mentioned in a previous video that Sadako is most likely just projecting herself into the realm. I would still argue that she is at the top if not very closely tied to Pyramid Head. As a manifestation of James’ grief, wouldn’t that imply, similar to Freddy, that his power is being somewhat reduced without James being there? I’m not saying Pyramid head isn’t at the top, but I do not believe he wouldn’t go uncontested. Both he and Sadako are still able to break the rules of the realm by using means other than the hooks to eliminate the survivors. To put it simply, it’s like pitting an unstoppable force and an immovable object against one another.
In silent hill lore, it can be argued that pyramid head himself existed before James. He appears differently for other people and manifest off the guilt of a person entering silent hill. In dbds case, Cheryl is the one to manifest pyramid head as she felt guilt after feeling responsible for her fathers death.
Thank you, it's great to be back! Ah yes, thank you for reminding me, I had forgotten who mentioned it, my apologies. I've come to adopt that view as very likely as I've thought it through and looked at the evidence. With regards to Pyramid Head, the way I understand his DBD lore is that at the moment he was about to end himself after James faced his guilt and PH was no longer needed, that was the moment the Entity reached out and offered him a new unrestrained purpose to punish within the realm. So I do not believe he is bound any longer to any specific person's feelings. I am someone holds to the belief that PH is actually stronger than the Entity and there by invitation, not by forced obligation.
this video got me through a mental breakdown, so thanks for uploading when you did lmao i'm really happy both pyramid head and pinhead are s-tier. i'm a huge fan of both their original source material so i may be a little bit biased, but they're both absolutely terrifying and powerful both in their original work and in dbd. i can't speak on sadako but from what i've heard she's also waaaaay stronger than a lot of people think, so i agree wholeheartedly on that. and dredge is literally fear, paranoia, and hatred manifested, so there's that. i'm very mixed on michael. he's not the version of himself from the remakes or reboots or sequels, so we can't be completely sure on his abilities. he's silent, he's strong, he can probably teleport, he gets shot six(?) times and thrown off a balcony and survives.. i feel like a is a good spot, but i wouldn't complain about an s-tier ranking considering all that and his ability to literally disobey the entity and kill survivors himself
I'm grateful to know that one of my videos helped you in that way. I hope you are feeling better today and doing whatever you need to care for yourself. You matter. I know that many of the Killers have been effectively nerfed by the Entity, but I do not get that sense with either Pinhead, Pyramid Head, or Sadako. They seem to all be there by choice and unrestrained, in some ways perhaps even more powerful than the Entity itself. Where you have someone like Trapper forced to kill against his will or others manipulated to serve, those three appear to be there almost as guests of the Entity. I totally see you point about Michael and I expected to get several responses arguing for S-tier. Honestly, I could be convinced, the only reason I left him down at A was because I do still think he isn't as strong as who I put in S. But it's a great point that he can disobey the Entity, which indicates he's pretty strong.
The Myers we have in dbd is the one from 1978, the Original Myers. In that movie, it doesn't mention anything about him being supernatural. When Michael was shot by Dr. Loomis, he died in the Dbd-verse and the Entity took him when he fell. End of story.
So I have plenty of Halloween fans who have told me the original Myers is supernatural, if you have any hard evidence contrary I'd be interested to see it. And while I see your point about how the Entity takes people in their final moments, that is true for many, but not all of them. We see many characters just get taken outright without dying. It's possible, but I wouldn't say confirmed either. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
Okay so 1. Myers in the og movie got up immediately after falling asleep seen in the ending and 2. In Dbd michael barged into the realm uninvited and it’s not said anywhere he died or was taken then
Loved the video but here are a few thoughts. The spirit realm is actually a pocket realm inside the overall Entity realm. Now, Michael Myers would be from the first movie so acording to Carpenter he would be the incarnation of evil even though this is very ambiguous. For Demo, I wouldn't say he is supernatural but science fiction and yes, the upside down world would be on the Enrity's realm. Also, though Ireally like your Sadako theory, her bio actually implies she is in the realm
I think Singularity should be a lot higher purely because of the abilities of a true AI. He’s constantly learning and adapting, and is probably one of the, if not the smartest killers. I also don’t think anyone could kill him unless they deleted the program, as ripping him apart would just destroy a shell he’s using. With his constantly improving body, his eyes everywhere from his pods, and the ability to literally break time, he feels very very powerful imo.
As I've reflected more, I'm comfortable putting him atop the non-supernatural Killers for sure. The AI learning is a great point. Also, sorry it took me so long to respond!
Very solid list! only thing i'd change is Bubba from D to C! comparing him lore/feat wise, id say he's at LEAST as strong as deathslinger or twins. Everything else is spot on though!
Hey, I appreciate that! I can see your argument there. The reason I put Deathslinger and Twins up was due to Deathslinger's intelligence and Victor's supernatural nature. If not for that I would have set them on the same tier as Bubba.
Apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up. I'm so glad to hear that you are enjoying the videos! I appreciate you watching!
Apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up. But yeah, I'm glad I could convince you on some of them 😉But like I say, I respect all your points too.
@@theARoberts oh you’re fine don’t worry, but yeah it turns out there were a lot of lore details I didn’t know so you had more valid points than I did imo.
the dredge is a god, an ancient god that was summon by otto but i never even realise how the dredge was taken. maybe the dredge found its way to the entity realm and is there? techneclly he could leave the realm if he wanted to. also dredge can asorb anything as he just a fog. if he canhide the meaty parts and be the fog and simply turn night fall on he can secretly kill as much as he wants to.
The Dredge's lore is very non-specific on how it entered the Fog if I remember correctly, so I can only speculate as you do. My thinking was something along the lines of because the Dredge is the fog part, is that somehow related to the fog in the Entity's realm, as if the Dredge is some kind of extension of the fog itself? Of the original characters, I definitely believe him to be by far the most powerful.
Great question, I'll give you some initial thoughts but I can definitely be persuaded otherwise. Given that we don't know very much about the Unknown (at least right now), it makes it tough to say. It does seem pretty unbeatable from a Survivor perspective, similar to the Dredge, so I'm assuming it's pretty strong. That said, I'm not sure we have enough to go off of yet to be able to say how it would stack against the other Killers. So I'm going to hypothesize it's somewhere in A-tier because of being supernatural, but not yet at the point of Dredge/PH/Onryo status.
Great tier list, honestly wouldn't argue with any spot. As a resident evil lover though its kinda sad that Nemesis always gets nerfed😂. I'm imagining him without the realm's nerf and how he'd be the nearly unkillable monster from resident evil with the intelligence to match his huge feats. Then with the blighted serum that would just make him even more of a threat and he's already incredibly fast as we saw in RE3
7:40 Not that this should sway the ranking because this is only a theory, but there are some hints that the Huntress may be a Bodark from Russian mythology. A Bodark is described as a human that chose to become a werewolf through a ritual of some kind. It is possible that her immense strength and ferocity are not her own or the entity's given to her but gifts given to her by the devil himself.
Interesting theory. I know her blighted skin may also hint at this, or at least at the idea that the Entity has imbued within the fog with some of that nature.
I don't really think so. Spirit's power are confirmed to be given by the entity so huntress probably too. Same as oni's and Ph's cages as according to his power description
pinhead is without a doubt the strongest. The only thing that could kill him in his lore was the Leviathan which is his realms creator and Satan. Plus, he could just take people out of the realm, dosen't even need to fight.
True, but we have to also factor in his world's lore combined with DBD lore combined with the world lore of other characters. It's at least possible the Entity is stronger than the Leviathan and thus also capable of killing Pinhead. Not saying that's for sure, in fact I may argue otherwise, but it's possible. We do see him have the ability to take Survivors out of the realm which suggests he's stronger than the Entity. But then I can make the argument that Pyramid Head is also stronger than the Entity, but also the only thing known to be able to take out Pyramid Head is Pyramid Head himself once his purpose is completed. So if we know Pinhead is technically killable and but as far as we know Pyramid Head is not (other than by himself), then combining Hellraiser lore, SH lore, and DBD lore I posit that Pyramid Head is indeed stronger by some degree. But full respect to you if you disagree, I just have fun debating this stuff.
@@Johnsbigwick797 Pyramid Head is from Silent Hill 2, Cheryl is from 3. Pyramid Head ends himself after his purpose is fulfilled once James Sunderland faces his guilt.
@@Gecko_ZenAren't all addons given to the killers by the entity either to mock them or incentivize them. If so then how can he be disobeying the entity by killing his victims if the entity allows it in the first place whereas PH and Sadako can kill them outright. If I'm not mistaken this Meyers is from the first movie where he was just a really tough guy with a knife. He wasn't a supernatural killer but a strong and smart one with a strong desire to kill. I know other movies he's basically the manifestation of evil in human shape but I'm pretty sure this one isn't.
From what I know in the general lore, the Entity can/will restrict, nerf or limit killers powers. I can't remember 100% where i read/heard it but one of, if not the only reason as to why Freddy's not as strong as he could be is BECAUSE the entity restricted/limited/nerfed his powers. Not sure if this is in lore or not, but someone pointed out a while ago that the only killer Blight had *some* issue with was Pyramid Head (might be to do with Pyramid Head's strength) but it took 2 vials instead of 1 to get the effect he wanted. This is shown in Pyramid Head's Blighted skin as well as there's 2 vials of serum in the cosmetic, 1 on the blade and 1 on his body.
It’s presumably the human version of Talbots who conducted these experiments. He’s lost his mind completely after he was turned into an animal by the entity. I have no clue how he would specifically build pyramids knife to have a serum imbedded in it. Seems more Ike the entities doing than talbot
I have heard that exact thing as well, I just couldn't remember if that is documented lore or more of a generally accepted fact by the community? It could make sense that PH took two vials if I'm correct that PH is the most powerful, even more so than the Entity, i.e. PH couldn't be nerfed or limited by the Entity at all, therefore Talbot struggled more with him. Also, sorry I took 4 months to reply.
Thank you! I do love to geek out about the lore any chance I get. Glad you enjoyed it! Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
I feel like though he doesn't belong in C Trickster is far stronger than anyone on D You seen how fast he throws those knives? Those aren't some dull glass shards those are full on throwing knives that can shatter bones, the fact that he can dish em out so fast is not to be underestimated
Someone also pointed out that he most likely would have military training as well, so there's some points for that. Also, sorry it took me so long to respond!
Wouldnt The Dredge just devour everyone and everything at the end? I mean Pyramid head is somehow depending on pressence of his purpose but Pinhead and Dredge are "just" there. And because Pinhead can be stopped by the other cenobites i think Dredge would be able to absorb him if he wouldnt escape from the realm. In my opinion Dredge is for now the strongest killer because his pressence doesnt depend on something else he is just there.
Idk some enemies like previously mentioned pinhead or pyramid head, can escape that fog too, if they were able to dissapier from entitys one (But yea, overral destructive capity goes to dredge)
Of the original characters, I absolutely agree that Dredge is top. However, I still would maintain the other big three licenses would come out on top. Pinhead likely is not bound to the realm and could leave at will. Onryo I argued is probably not even physically in the realm and connected to the Entity, and Pyramid Head is unstoppable and as I argued likely has a whole new purpose given by the Entity. I believe those three rival the Entity in terms of power, and in Onryo and Pyramid Head's case possibly even surpass the Entity, but I do not yet believe that the Dredge is quite there. I'm happy to be convinced otherwise however.
One thing worth noting is the characters who can directly disobey the rules of the trials. The biggest examples are the ones who can kill without a memento mori or hex: devour hope, those being Myers (with a tombstone addon, he doesnt even need to have hooked or downed them), Pyramid head with his final judgement, and Sadako with her inexhorable stare
100% you are spot on. Disobeying the rules of the trials shows either A) the Entity's favor on that Killer or B) that Killer being as strong or stronger than the Entity. Also, sorry it took me so long to respond!
I only watched the first movie but this is the one he come from so yes Myers is immortal and has an instinct that allow him to find Laurie wherever she goes she tries to deceive him opening a window then hiding but he finds her anyway and Hag can summon the Entity and she made a pact with it so she belong in A
But Freddy is weaker than A in the lore the Entity NERFED him but she can't stop Myers from following Laurie and killing survivors with his own hands so Freddy is just a pawn that the dreams demons gave to the Entity
Thanks for filling me in on Myers' lore and confirming what else I've heard. Maybe it's just my exhausted brain from too little sleep, but how can Hag summon the Entity? I think you make a great point about Freddy to distinguish him from Myers. And yeah, love how you pointed out Demo is perfectly balanced in gameplay and lore 😂Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
@@theARoberts Hag use the same symbol as Élodie and Vittorio used to summon it in their lore but the Entity is still more powerful than Myers because he needs an addon and everything that gives blood points feeds the Entity so even Mori but he might be it little favorite
Just like the artist, the plague is also extremely favored by the entity, it has its green bomb that would weaken most assassins and the red one, which is similar to a super strong acid and is further strengthened by the entity.Plague A Tier
I respect the ranking, I kept A-tier and up mostly for the more supernatural Killers, but I suppose you could argue that Plague's ability is inherently a little supernatural.
My takeaways from the list: Idk much about Trickster lore, but I can’t imagine why he’s D tier. From just his mori alone you can see he’s an expert with throwing knives. I’d put him on Slingers level. I’m not sure how Nemesis is nerfed in DBD lore, but I agree with your final assessment of A tier. I remember Dredge being insanely powerful in lore. I’d probably put him in top 3 over Pinhead. I would like to hear why you think Pinhead is stronger. I’m not sure I would put Wesker above Nemesis, but as I said I’m not familiar with how Nemesis is nerfed. From RE3, Nemesis has insane durability and regeneration. If those two fought, I think Nemesis would win, but it would be the toughest fight of his life. It took a rail gun in his mouth to kill him and Wesker doesn’t have that firepower. But I agree both belong in A tier.
Someone pointed out Trickster likely has military training too, so admittedly, I may have underestimated him. The nerfing of Nemesis is more of an inference because he is limited in his gameplay (i.e. can't bust through walls, etc.) BUT I 100% concede that could just simply be for gameplay reasons/limitations rather than something that should be interpreted as lore informing. Dredge is without a doubt the strongest original character. I could possibly be convinced he's stronger than Pinhead, honestly. I currently put Pinhead higher only because he is able to leave the realm at will (inferred from the fact he can remove Survivors from the realm at will) and because in his lore the only thing that can kill him is his god, the Leviathan. Dredge does seem to still be bound by the Entity's rules, suggesting to me that Pinhead is at least a tad stronger. Others have commented that Capcom has confirmed Wesker is more powerful than Nemesis, but honestly I haven't fact checked that. I haven't played RE5 but my understanding is it took a volcano to kill Wesker. And Wesker is definitely faster and smarter than Nemesis. Great things to discuss and I appreciate your thoughts. Also, sorry it took me so long to respond!
@@theARoberts I appreciate the response as late as it may be! I don’t remember the video much so I’ll just start with saying the three strongest are probably Pyramid Head, Dredge and Pinhead. As for Wesker and Nemesis, Wesker just doesn’t have the firepower to take down Nemesis. Wesker is smarter, but Nemesis is intelligent. I could even be convinced Wesker beats him in physical strength. I just don’t think Wesker’s maximum output is enough to damage Nemesis. And Wesker is on a bit of a timer because he requires periodic injections. Anyway, you should totally get around to playing RE5! Wesker is one of my favorite villains of all time.
I see a lot of people saying that, but I looked it up and saw a lot of people saying that it's made up by the fanbase, so I'm not sure. That said, I definitely believe Wesker is overall stronger than Nemi, if not in brute strength, definitely in overall speed and intelligence.
24:54/25:12 There are certain game mechanics that showcase a character's power but in a concise for example Dragon Ball Heroes gameplay showcases characters like Xeno Goku and Capsule Corp Goku as part of the gameplay it's just for Heroes like the anime. manga. statements. that elevate and enhance the characters to a higher extent. I don't use game mechanics when power scaling unless that mechanic ties in with a characters. unless the game mechanics ties in the lore and feats you always use the lore. statements. feats. and novels when scaling a character unless is a certain situation like the death of the author.
I respect that approach. At various points I've tried to differentiate where in game mechanics tie directly to lore, may tie in with lore, or likely do not tie in with lore, because in DBD we see examples of each. In this case, you can't 100% separate the two, because a lot of the gameplay elements are explained by DBD's lore, and so in some cases we can draw lore inferences from gameplay (definitely not always, sometimes it's just simple gameplay, like Sadako being stunned by a pallet).
Another interesting tier list might be: how powerful would this killer be without the Entity? S tier killers might stay the same but I would argue a lot of killers like Freddy and Huntress actually got nerfed by the Entity
@@Moghster6969 Singularity would be stronger than the human killers and the fact that he doesn't have vital organs would present a challenge for most killers. I think Skull Merchant would probably stand the best chance of beating him but if he takes her out, then it would take a killer stronger and more durable than him like Oni to actually beat him.
@@kimberlyterasaki4843 hmmmmm honestly I don't kinda agree with y. Like ofc he no diffs these human killers but i could argue that he wins both against knight and oni. After discovering an old ruins and realising that he was in fact slaved by humans, he started to evolving nie body. It ended up at creating a new body formed from DNA and biological matery of humans (we'll back to that) and less unknow kind of metal with is way stronger than any material on earth Here I ll be honest that im not really sure what's The actual strongest material in The World, Google says that diamond, but im not really sure ab that About strenght well one of his feats are taking one of exployers face off. What's more we can see that he probably snatched bodyparts such as arms or legs of The same women with is sth between 2,200 pounds Lore describe that he has Force of 10 avange humans Later he was able to take of heart of medician assistant And most importantly, as I said he made his new body from a special metal harder than anything on earth, with kinda means that he's overral able to break bassicly every material on earth (that might be cap honestly) Speed is bassicly avange human speed 4,5m/s, but as his reaction Time speed he was able to dodge a shoot from a unknow gun with is mostly probable to be simullar to normal one Iq he was able to manipupate transport vehicles to eventualy kill human to extract DNA from human cropse. He was able to create A new organic material with ended up at giving him state/form change to eventually gain the power to teleport by biopods +in lore his inteligence is explained to be on God level. Overral I think that beside these S tier God like beings, only RE characters could beat him with their mutation potential.
I would actually argue that the Dredge is the most powerful Killer in the game lorewise, possibly tied by Pinhead. Pyramid Head is a physical cresture in the realm, as is Sadako, and as such if the Dredge gets its hands on them then they're done. All it has to do is consume them into itself and there's nothing they can do. And if Pinhead sends it out of the realm, it can just teleport back. It traverses dimensions, as it comes from the Land of Shadows. Pinhead can't restrain it, because it is both material and immaterial and it can use anything as its body. Not to mention its badically infinite range of things it can produce out of itself. As such, Dredge wins or deadlocks with Pinhead.
I 100% agree that Dredge is the strongest of the original characters. I could be convinced he's stronger than Pinhead, but that's a toss up in my head right now. I would still respectfully disagree on Pyramid Head and Sadako though. Pyramid Head is more than a physical creature, he's the embodiment of purpose, and the only thing that can kill him is himself, after he no longer has a purpose. The Entity has given him that and we also see he functions outside of the Entity's rules, strongly suggesting he's more powerful than the Entity itself, whereas the Dredge seems to me to be more confined to the rules of the Trial. I'd argue Sadako also is more powerful than the Entity, she has a psychic connection and the way I understand her lore, she's actually not even physically in the realm, but projecting herself through that psychic connection. Thus, the Dredge literally couldn't touch her. Regardless, all fun things to think about and discuss. Also, sorry it took me so long to respond!
p sure its said somewhere in re lore that wesker has the power to take on like 5 nemesis' at once ? i feel like being able to take on 5x an a tier killer would put him at the top of a, before getting into characters that just dont gaf abt the entitys rules like myers or blight
Oh, Wesker should be high A-tier, at least higher than Nemesis, I agree. Nemi may be low A, might even be able to be convinced high B. Can't remember what I said in the video though honestly 😅 Sometimes I think different things on different days 😂 Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
20:02 Disregards the actual lore for Freddy and Amanda. Amanda isn't just a sneaky bitch with a hidden blade, she's an engineering master, studied with John Kramer for years. A number of the other killers wouldn't survive long enough to even have a confrontation with her. She'd crush Clown, Legion (yes, all of them), ghost face, trapper, hillbilly, doctor and maybe even Huntress. Buuuut perfectly ok using outside lore for Pyramid Head? Biased much?
Didn't disregard their lore, just haven't seen the movies (which I am pretty upfront about in several videos on the channel) so I'm dependent on what other fans of Saw and Freddy have told me. Am I ignorant? Yes. Biased? Not in this case at least. But based on what I've been told about Amanda by Saw fans, I'm not convinced she could take down Ghost Face, Trapper, or Huntress. Feel free to convince me otherwise though. I'm ignorant for these two and always willing to learn. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
@@theARoberts I'm not all too sure what other people are saying about Amanda... but she did set up her own traps, use planning and her skills by herself to set up some of John's plans. She may have made them unbeatable, but she still did it. I'd say she deserves to be in the same ball park in threat level as John himself. And, it's been a while since I've watched this video and honestly forgot and never thought you'd respond... but if I recall correctly, you outright said in your video you'd disregard Freddy's outside lore because of... what I assume to be arbritary reasons. Again, been a while, I'd have to rewatch to really determine if it's arbritary or not... but ultimately, that doesn't matter, you're making a video of ranking the killers based on their lore but then decide to exclude various killers lores or not exclude it based purely on your own preference. Which I believe it the epitome of arbritary.
So would it be more accurate to refer to her as the Onryo then? As far as I can tell, she is named Sadako though in the lore. Unless I'm misunderstanding your comment? Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
Pyramid Head while powerful as he is, he is just a marionette, first a marionette of the Silent Hill town and later a marionette by the entity, that means that a powerful entity like leviathan from hellraiser can subdue him.
Interesting, do you have anything to cite that he was a marionette of Silent Hill? As I read it, he's bound by purpose, but the only thing that can kill him is himself after his purpose is fulfilled, nothing else. Then as I understand his DBD lore, he's invited by the Entity with an invitation of new purpose, but we can see he is not bound by the Entity as he's able to follow or not follow the Entity's trial rules at will. He's one of the few Killers who can completely disregard the Entity's rules. That said, I'm open to being corrected if there's something I'm not aware of. Also, sorry it took me so long to respond!
@@theARoberts it's implied by SH2 dynamics between characters interceptions. Each individual that is called by the town is tormented by their own guilt and the Town tailor their fears with personal nightmares that are mere husks. In James case he can enter other people other "personal hells" or pocket planes and interact with the environment there. Angela personal monster was a representation of his father abusing her. Pyramid Head is just that a representation or a conduit. Leviathan and Pinhead can alter reality and can animate inorganic things and also make thralls of living sentient beings making them new cenobytes. The reasoning is that if Pyramid Head is just an empty Husk Leviathan can warp him, and if he has some level of sentience he can subdue him by Cenobification. Pinhead by being an extention of Leviathan will, can do that too.
Wesker is definitely A tier, probably the top of it. I believe Capcom said he could "easily take 5 Nemesis'" And I respect the Freddy placement; I'm pretty sure it's canon lore that the entity nerfed Freddy because he ended trials way too quickly.
Honestly can't remember where I put him but I'd agree he's 100% more powerful than Nemy. Also can't remember if it's canon lore or just confident inference, but Freddy has definitely been nerfed by the Entity (and BHVR 😂) Also, sorry it took me so long to respond!
Myers might be immortal depending on who you ask. I don't see him taking down Spirit because she is supernatural, but I could potentially see Blight. Hag in a physical fight would lose, but I do think people underestimate her magic. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
@@theARoberts no worries man i appreciate you even responding to begin with i was just thinking spirit has to become physical to hurt people, so wouldnt they be able to hit her if she unphases? she seems physical enough to where you could probably damage her (pallets and flashlights)
I've always disliked the "Huntress has the mind of a child" argument for her powers. Because if we really think about it Myers does too and along with Sadako, technically. But Huntress raised herself basically, alone in the woods. So she has a strong survival sense and even her mind got more mature with her even if she isn't "booksmart" Whereas Myers was raised in a prison (from my understanding) so he would actually be less smart than Huntress. Based on survival instinct.
Sadako isn't a child. She was 19 when she was pushed down the well, and died after 30 years surviving off of her rage and powers. She's never once showed any signs of having the mind of a child. She's just short. She's not the character from The Ring. Samara and Sadako are vastly different characters.
The reason people talk about it with Huntress is that she has moments where she's clearly emotionally or psychologically immature, for instance where she struggles understanding why the girls she kidnaps keep dying without food. There's some lack there. Myer's is a bit too mysterious for us to draw the same conclusions I'd say and Sadako is practically a young adult. But, I still agree that I equally dislike that argument for Huntress. While she may lack some objective understanding of certain things, she makes up for it by sheer hunter instinct. She single handedly and easily took down a squads of enemy German and Russian soldiers who had teamed up out of the shared fear of her. That takes extreme instincts and understanding of tactics. Also, sorry I was so late replying!
I think an argument can be made so you aren't alone in that. I do think a lot of people underestimate Sadako though and based on how I understand the DBD specific lore she's immensely powerful, which is why I place her where I do.
Great question, I think whoever told you that was probably thinking of an Oni from folklore, but not from DBD. In his DBD lore (game and tome), Kazan was a samurai who ruthlessly murdered farmers who he felt were posing as other samurai. This earned him the nickname of "Oni," which he hated this and killed anyone who called him that. Eventually, the farmers outnumbered him, tortured, and before they could kill him he was taken by the Entity and transformed into the Entity's interpretation of an Oni (believed to be the Entity's way of mocking him to keep him angry). Before he was in the realms he had no supernatural power at all and within the realms he technically isn't even a true Oni of folklore. But nothing in his lore about him beating gods.
@@theARoberts yes, i know about oni in folklore, I am quite well addressed on them, but I can assure you they indeed were talking about the oni from dbd (sorry if this sounds mean I can’t think of another way to say it)
@@theARoberts i did find it weird how someone was claiming that the oni was a god when he died to farmers I was just confused on why no one was saying otherwise
No worries, I was just assuming they may have been thinking about non-DBD Oni lore only because I see that a lot in comments. But yeah, nothing in his DBD lore suggests he was anything other than a normal man before the Entity took him, hence why a group of farmers were able to overtake him. So you were correct to be skeptical of their claim about him being a god. At one point the farmers do start spreading legend about him be empowered by something evil but in context it's clear it's just legend to explain his brutality.
@@theARoberts ok that’s what I thought so thanks for clarifying, I know how he died but I get bored looking through characters lore myself so I didn’t know
This is now on the list 😂 Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up. I appreciate the idea!
Idk why people are comparing the Entity with tangible beings. It’s implied that the entity is the equivalent of an eldritch god which are incomprehensible. They’re more akin to the forces of the universe than a God and it literally has the ability to travel across multiverses and manipulate the worlds there The blight is just a budget Hulk
So Blight's lore is a moderate blind spot for me due to how much there is to comb through (I haven't gotten through it all yet), but my understanding is that he was able to escape the realm and/or through his experiments begin to be a threat to the Entity. That's what was behind my comments regarding him, which admittedly could be way off base. Outside of that, Pinhead, Pyramid Head, and Sadako I believe have very strong cases for being as powerful or more powerful than the Entity.
dredge is a literal god in it's lore. so i would argue that it is more powerful than then entity, and the only reason why dredge is there is through an agreement with the entity.
As a blight enthusiast Blight being S tier is quite deserved as all the injections on other killers he did before he took Compound 34 (what turned him into the blight) which means blight never infected anyone, Talbot Grimes did BHVR has also stated prior to the transformation Talbot had a part of the entities power. Talbot is also the second man in DBD history to escape the entities graveyard (the void) the only other being Vigo. Which blight/Talbot has the journal of
A great point to distinguish between Talbot and Blight, but could that make the argument that Blight may not actually be as powerful now because he's been taken over by overuse of the serum? Also, sorry it took me so long to respond!
Only thing i really disagree with is HUX. I think the sheer fact he can think in a nanosecond, and how quickly he's able to assess weaknesses. Combined with his overclock mode making him stronger, faster and un-stunnable puts him on par with someone like Nemesis or Wesker
I honestly, could very well be convinced of this. I wasn't as familiar with Hux at the time of filming, so I sorta guessed 😅Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
From what I believe, the license BHVR got from Halloween wasn’t from the movies. But rather the comic series. Some movies depict Michael as immortal while others don’t as you mentioned. And in the comics Halloween III: The Devil's Eyes, Michael is dead which follows the same continuity as the Halloween H20 movie where he isn’t immortal and died the same way as in the comics.
I appreciate the context. My understanding is that it is based on the original movie, but that Laurie's appearance is pulled from the comic since they didn't have rights to Jamie Lee Curtis' appearance. I could totally be wrong so if you have a reference I'd be happy to see it. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
When did they make that change? That's got some neat lore implications. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
@@theARoberts she got the change with her big rework, tho it’s not too game changing because most of the time, you’ll be chasing the survivors manifested.
Not sure on the number, he does take out a lot I believe. But that was before he had any powers at all. The Entity made him into her version of an Oni to mock him. So he's a capable warrior who is then "gifted" supernatural power by the Entity, but not a true Oni of Japanese lore is my understanding. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
How is it the wraith exits the realm when he’s cloaked? In game, he can body block while cloaked, implying that he does indeed occupy space and matter in the Realm. Comparatively Sadako, while demanifested, is able to be ran through because she is actually not physically in the Realm.
According to lore he enters the spirit realm. Not knowing much about it, either A. the spirit realm interacts with the normal realm and isn't totally separate or B. it's simply gameplay in conflict with lore.
@@LoveyDovyy While technically true, the Blight has taken over Talbot so severely that he's no longer the same. So what Talbot was capable of doing is not necessarily what Blight is capable of and vice-a-versa. It's not like the Hulk who can transform back into his normal self, but rather if once the Hulk, he could never transform back.
@@LoveyDovyy So it's been a bit since I've read his lore, so I'm happy to be corrected, but my understanding is once he became the Blight he essentially became rabid and ceased to have the intelligence of Talbot. He's now permanently in "Hulk mode" having been so corrupted by the blighted serum.
Pinhead was only defeated by the cenobyte doctor because his god Leviathan was conected with the cenobyte doctor and Pinhead disobey him, the doctor (an agent of Leviathan) strip away his cenobyte status and kill him as human.
It gets tricky when you are comparing a character's world lore with another character's world lore, and then combining the two within DBD's world lore. That's why I went with we know that the only thing we know can kill Pyramid Head is himself after his purpose is fulfilled, but we do know that Pinhead is technically killable by something outside of himself. It's hard to say if the Leviathan is more or less powerful than the Entity (though I admit that may just be because I know more about the Entity's lore than the Leviathan's). We do know that Pinhead is not bound to the realm like most of the other Killers so that at least suggests that he has a lot of power within the Entity's realm if he can leave at will.
@@theARoberts that's fair. My perception is that Pinhead and Leviathan are more powerful because they can alter time and space. Pinhead with the powers of Leviathan actually twisted the entire solar system effectivily creating a hell on earth, a feat that Pyramid Head is leagues below in doing that.
I can definitely respect you putting Myers in S tier, especially if he is indeed immortal, that would almost necessitate it. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
I'd put Xeno high B, limited primarily by the fact that it's not supernatural, just one really tough creature. I'd love to see a Demo and Xeno battle. Where would you rank Xeno? Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
I would argue Blight is in S tier. The blight flowers he cultivates have the properties of harming and possibly killing the entity. If he wanted to escape I think he is smart enough to find the entities weakspot and use his serum on it. He is definitely weak against most other killers but i think he and executioner are the only killers that could perminantly eacape the realm. Wasn't Vigo able to escape using the blight(not the character)? Please correct me if I'm wrong anywhere here, I'm not the most into the lore. Edit: As other comments said: He denied the entity of killing him and is still denying it by the looks of it.
Blight is still low because he is in that state because the Entity messed with his experiments. The entity still has complete control over him and clearly the flowers aren’t as much of an issue for it now
So I'm not as read up on Blight's lore as others, so I could also be wrong. But my understanding is that Blight has been consumed by overuse of the serum, and is basically no longer Talbot. So some of his feats of escaping the void and experimenting on other Killers are from when he was more in control as Talbot, but now he's basically consumed by the serum. Happy to be corrected if I'm misunderstanding that. Also, I apologize it took me so long to respond!
That's the primary reason I ranked him down, if it was only counting their own universe lore, then he'd be higher. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
Ngl i think Myers should be higher considering he walks in the realms without the entity approval, disobeys and is the literal incarnation of evil just like dredge i think it’s safe to say
I could be convinced of Myers being in S. He is on the border for me. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
I disagree with anything within the realm being stronger than the entity, with the simple fact that the entity’s realm is its source of existence, bringing in powerful individuals who have a purpose or goal to kill the survivors, so it’s win win for both the entity and the killers. With that in mind, there is no reason for it ever bring an excessively powerful killer like sadako or pyramid head into the realm if it didn’t have the means to stop said killer from destroying the entity and therefore anything and anyone within it, if weaker killers like trapper and trickster can ultimately serve the same purpose of feeding it. In this context, I believe that either blight or dredge is the strongest killer in the game, since both are essentially branches of the entity. Dredge is obvious, for the same reasons you stated in the video, he is made up of the black dog and can consume survivors as a method of feeding the entity directly, making him strongly connected to the entity and basically a part of it. Blight is able to traverse the entity’s realm and has consumed enough of the entity that he serves its desires in a trade for more of the substance he consumes, since he is basically addicted to drugs. He is also a crucial part of the entity’s plan to bring more killers into the realm since he is able to leave the realm and return while bringing in killers like the trapper and performing tests on them. He has done this with both some original and licensed killers. Also, he is able to blight all of the killers during the Halloween events as seen with every killers unique blighted cosmetics, making him powerful enough to manipulate every single killers physical body in some way shape or form while they are in the entity’s realm. I could see it going either way for dredge or blight being the most powerful, because both are extensions of the entity itself, but I personally believe it’s blight.
24:55/25:12 Just a friendly reminder that gameplay mechanics is for our entertainment in video games and it doesn't represent their actual limits of their strength for most game characters and it does not necessarily align and do not always coincide with the Lore of the game you are playing. Because video game mechanics won't let you play these characters at their most powerful it all goes to their respective franchise. you can't play a character that your playing online and playing a character in a game to show their full potential like for example Sonic the Hedgehog if he was to go as high speeds we're not playing as Sonic at his highest speed they had to slow him down because gameplay mechanics are restraining him. But if he uses his True Speed he will be broken. "Brokenly Overpowered" same as Superman or Batman from the Arkham series or Dragon Ball characters like Goku who can destroy a Multiverse but in video games like Dragon Ball Fighters and Dragon Ball Xenoverse he can be beaten by some of the weakest characters like Videl and Yamcha or like logical and seriously speaking Superman and Wonder Woman can beat the crap out of Batman and Shaggy in a video game called Multiversus. but are clearly on a equal field due to game mechanics. so it makes sense that gameplay mechanics have their own limits what they can actually do. you gotta go by the Lore to know what they are really capable of because the gameplay mechanics are restraining these characters.
That was part of the point I was trying to make, perhaps I just didn't say it well. I was trying to distinguish between how he was nerfed for gameplay reasons vs. lore nerfed by the Entity. My ranking was meant to be based on the latter, with the caveat that it could be argued that it was just due to gameplay reasons, in which case I'd have to adjust the ranking. Also, sorry it took me 4 months to respond!
Dredge would be top 3 for me pinhead in fourth place, also ghostie probably goes below plauge, huntress would be top of C for me. Myers would be a little lower, great tier list tho
Thanks! I appreciate you sharing your thoughts too. I could possibly be convinced of Pinhead below Dredge. Without looking back at my rankings, I see what you are saying about GF bellow Plague, I'd agree. Huntress is definitely near the top of C (can't remember who else I had in that tier honestly). Myers I only put up that high because of his immortality. If you go with the non-immortal version then he definitely needs to be lower, but my understanding is that the DBD version is the immortal version, but that could be wrong. I'm not as familiar with Halloween's lore.
@mushyroomrot that’s cap nemesis is hella nerfed if they were fighting outside of the realm nemesis would win but inside the realm myers would win this is cus myers just got buffed when joining
My understanding is that the version of Myers we have in DBD is immortal, so that's why I think he goes above Nemesis. If he's not the immortal version, then yes, Nemesis wipes the floor with him, even the nerfed version of him in the realm.
I recorded this live before the Alien chapter was announced. But, basing it off of non-DBD lore, I'd put Xeno in the same tier as Demo. Versus the human Killers it's going to be stronger, but versus the mutant or supernatural Killers I actually think Xeno would be on the weaker end. Might change my mind after I get to read Xeno's DBD adapted lore.
I have never heard that Bubba is immortal 😂 is that a real thing or is it just plot armor at work? Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
@@Rafesco did he killed anyone? In the remake he looks like incompetent, can be killed by one granade if its not "Boss battle". He looks like he dont want to kill Jill. In Boss battles he do very little, just scripted, very easy to predict, actions.
@@archael7807 play the game on Inferno or at least in nightmare, it takes more than two granades to take him down, he is very fast and can stunlock you and the game don't give you enough granades to defeat him on all encounters, the final BOSS fight he can insta-kill you on inferno or leave You in danger in nightmare with any hit and has patterns from 3 to 9 hit chains. Of course you would find him easy on normal or even hardcore dude.
@@Rafesco have You played original RE3? Either way, do not bring challange modes. If we are taking about lore power, You should look at normal difficulties. And just food for thought. How first Nemesis encounters im both games looks like? In remake Nemesis i chasing Jill, loosing her few times, and using the least effective tactics to get to her. This is Perfect killing machine? Do You know how Nemesis introduction looks in original RE3?
@@archael7807 I play both games so I don't need you to lecture me about the original. First yes, the original Game is superior in a lot of things to the remake, from the intro scene to the cut content and from the gaming pace to the execution. Yet gameplaywise the Nemesis in the remake on inferno is the more challenging version. And whether you like it or not the remake version had better feats of endurance, abilities and power. The remake one was able to tank a rocket launcher to the face while no other Tyrant was able to do that at that moment (deflecting the first rocket while impressive is something that the first Tyrant in the re1 remake had the ability to do); second he is able to infect other creatures with parasites making them a more powerful zombies. Third, his second form is much bigger and faster than the original counterpart. Forth, he was able to resist and surpass the acid bath unlike the original one. And lastly, he didn't take down Jill instantly by obvious plot armour and gameplay reasons. Imagine her being destroyed in the first scene when he grabs her with one hand.
That why I'd have her atop the human tier, where the line for me for B-tier was mutant or supernatural. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
Ok first I’m removing myers out of that A tier he isn’t immortal at all he best he’s c tier billy and trapper would need to be in b tier as well billy has really durable skin like super tough and has some super strength, but also sometimes people forget when a killer loves being in the entity’s realm say trickster their ability’s and stuff is more stronger and enhanced, so killers like trickster doc knight especially knight would be in s tier except the other they be in like b tier.
Also why do you think that the killers who love being in the entity's realm become on par with Sadako, Pinhead, Pyramid Head, and Dredge, they're all absurdly powerful and tricksters just a dude with knives doctor likes lightning and Knight has some buddies
In my opinion, Blight is easily S-Tier. He breaks The Entity’s rules by escaping it’s inescapable prison (The Void) as well as harvesting on The Entity’s weaknesses. The Blight, as evidenced by his cutscenes, would knock out the killers, drag them to his laboratory, and then chain them up to a wall to torture and then infect them. This was all before he became The Blight, so afterwards it’s incredibly likely he was able to capture them even easier. I also think he was pretty much tricked into joining - The Entity stole the box and had the survivors steal it, which invited him in. From there, it’s likely he is basically stuck in The Realm as The Entity has either trapped him or he is stuck as the lament box keeps summoning him.
1- We only know that he overpowered the Trapper. The others could’ve been ambushed, had an agreement with e etc. and the Licensed blighted skins aren’t canon. 2- the entity managed to sabotage his experiments, leading to his transformation. Clearly the flowers and the Blight isn’t that much of an issue for the Entity
@@thisperson1677 Blight refers to a disease that is fatal to plant life. The Entiry is described by Vigo as similar to a plant. There is no evidence for licensed Blight skins not to be canon. If he overpowered The Trapper as a human, that means he would be even stronger now that he has had his physical form enhanced. The Entity did not sabotage his experiments - it punished him mentally for harvesting its Blight and for escaping the void with hallucinations that made him pityable. Instead, it only proved his desire for the Pustula and killer instinct, as evidenced when he slaughters countless opium addicts in a hallucination. He became The Blight due to overuse of the serum, not The Entity turning him into it. We saw his final transformation in his trailer, The Hunger.
I appreciate your argument for Blight being S-tier. Although, do ewe have evidence that he overpowered all of the Killers? In my opinion, it's also easy to explain it without him overpowering them, but simply ambushing them. For instance, unless BHVR explicitly stated it in the lore, I cannot be convinced Talbot overpowered Pyramid Head. I also know that Wesker did it willingly. So to me, his experiments how he's more powerful than some of them, but not all. Plus, wasn't that pre-Blight Talbot? I also see your argument for Pinhead, and interesting theory that he was tricked, but I still don't think he's trapped there. We know he's able to remove Survivors from the realm, so that would seem weird to me that he is powerful enough to do that, but not to leave himself. Also, sorry it took me so long to respond. I've been playing catch up.
@@theARoberts him dedicating the tags on his syringes makes it seem like a dedicated process, along with how some characters have several syringes in areas that seem strange to inject them, and instead seem like they might have been found by the killer, which would make sense if they were in his lab. We know he tied up The Trapper, and I’m pretty sure there’s a lore entry about him and The Doctor in one of his old tomes. Tbh it just seems out of character for him to rush up and inject them when he’s a scientist that makes lots of notes and seems to have been studying The Realm before the psychotic break, so who knows how mentally intact he is, yet the tags being personalised implies some level of cognitive ability.
@@penguinproductions8829 My understanding was that his experiments were done pre-Blight transformation when he was still Talbot. Am I incorrect on that?
I think pinhead would be able to beat every other killer in the game considering the comics give him planetary feats which is far above anything the other killers in the game has done and his chains are durable enough to cut through speeding subway trains and most likely much more This comment might age poorly if a killer like the tall man from phantasm gets added in though
I only put Pinhead below Pyramid Head and Sadako because Pinhead is technically killable, whereas I'd argue Pyramid Head is not and Sadako is greatly underestimated in terms of her strength by a lot of people (in terms of lore, gameplay-wise... well we all know where she sits there). A lot of people argue for Pinhead to be stronger though, so you are definitely not alone there. I certainly respect that take. Also, sorry it took me so long to respond!
Recorded and released before the Alien chapter released. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
I think so too. But cenobites power level is so difficult to pin down really (pun not intended). I dont think its established in the hellraiser lore what it truly is. Is something controlling them? Are they gods?
Pinheads attack potency is horrendous. His battle iq is horrendous as he’s never had to fight anyone ever. He’s limited to spawning chains and hooking them onto helpless humans. He doesn’t outright perform any impressive feats from the first 2 films from which he’s from. He can only teleport when you summon him with the box and his durability isn’t impressive. The only feat he has is teleporting already dead survivors to the labyrinth on a pillar.
@@basedqacist7526lol, Pinhead is a reality warper dude, he can't do it in the game because it would be too OP, he is like that for gameplay reasons. He gained nigh omnipotence in the comics and make the entire solar system a hell domain.
Love the video as always! I agree with these but I feel like legion would beat ghostface in a fight. The legion isnt stupid, and would most likely stick together to avoid getting picked off one by one. They would just wait for him to show himself and overpower him. I think if ghostface and the legion knew they were fighting eachother, as a set-up fight, legion would win because they would be prepared for him. If not, as if ghostface catches them off guard randomly, ghostface might beat them.
Thanks! If the Legion could work together then I would agree. 4v1 is pretty impossible odds outright. But I do think that GF stands a decent chance of making it a series of 1v1's and then I'd say he would likely win in that situation. But as you say, if Legion could work together than GF stands no chance. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
A fact that might get ghostface a little higher: He's technically immortal in the dbd universe. Not mad at you for putting him low or anything. Just thought id be a little helpful. P.s. love the vids btw.❤
But arent all the killers immortal by the entity? :/ At least in the realm of the entity. Like ghosty in scream-realm is very much a human but something different in here. It's not even the same person. But like Michael is the exact same being as in halloween.
Myers is literally the Embodiment of Evil. He IS Evil itself. Evil in the shape of a man. It's why he has no motive for why he kills because Evil just does. He's in the same league as The Dredge and Pyramid Head. S or GTFO!
Ok, I haven’t commented in a while, so here goes nothing. Singularity would easily be A Tier. Let’s look into who loses a fight against HUX from a tier. Myers, freddy, Spirit, Oni, nemesis, and knight. Only hag blight Artist and Wesker stand a chance cause of either intelligence or supernatural abilities. I could give an in depth explanation if requested. But the basic is that none of those have any ability or weapon that can even remotely intimidate HUX. As Always Yours truly -Biased Artist Main.
@@thisperson1677 Nemesis has 0 weaponry the can even come close to damaging the metal on the singularity considering the singularity has a “skeleton created with alien metal found in the ancient ruins. A metal that was harder and lighter than anything on Earth” I doubt nemesis could even scratch HUX. Even if HUX can’t kill nemesis immediately, it would probably find a way after some time.
I respect it. These things are subjective so I am by no means saying I'm absolutely right. Just curious, what's your reasoning for Demo to be higher? Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
I skipped ahead I think nemesis would definitely be stronger than Myers he’s like an embodiment of evil but also he hasn’t done anything that makes him more deadly than nemesis he’s just really durable but if it were to be a 1v1 I really couldn’t see him beat nemesis nemesis probably couldn’t kill him either but like he’d just throw Myers around
I based my ranking on the fact that, as I understand it, the version of Myers in DBD is immortal. Since Nemesis can be killed and (if my understanding is correct) Myers cannot be, that's why I put Myers above Nemesis. If I'm wrong and it's not the immortal version of Myers, then yes, I'd agree Nemesis would take him to town.
Love the list! Though I disagree with Plague and Skull Merchant I think Plague is bottom B tier. I could see her weakening the lower tier killers with the sickness *IF* it’s the bubonic plague or something like it I think Skull Merchant is upper D tier
Bubba is literally leagues stronger than trapper in lore. Bubba literally can break through Cement with just his bare hands. Like a good 5inches worth of solid reenforced cement Dude has literal imbred genetics that give him literal super strength He also sliced almost completly through his own leg in the original and WALKED on it with bone literally snapping and shattering and splintering out of the wound. Dudes a literal hulk compared to trapper
He was only stopped because he Lost a Grace with Leviathan, The cenobyte doctor kill him because he was directed conected with Leviathan so he direclty punish him.
Apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up. To your point, that's why I put Pinhead very close to the top, but ultimately for me it came down to one was technically "stoppable" (even if it's only under certain conditions) while the other is completely unstoppable.
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Pyramid head, is the only outright divine character in DBD. All the S tiers can be considered independent contractors to the entity. The entity is a multiversal and can attract characters like pin head with thier own agendas. They are there by choice and can leave whenever they choose but ultimately they serve their masters first and the entity second.
Does it apply to dredge too?
@maxigromek4444 dredge can technically be considered an offshoot of the entity. Pyramid head is a divine attendant created by silent hills god, Pin head is a cenobite, and sadako is highly implied to be a demigod. And since entity is plant like dredge can be classified as a seedling.
Pyramidhead is so overrated when it comes to his power, he has no feats in his lore and in silent hill 2 that puts him above any of the other killers💀
Lol Independent Contractors:
Entity: After a yearly performance report, We're very pleased with the amount of kills you've managed to secure.
SADAKO: ....I want a raise.
Entity: I'd like to point out that the majority of your kills are secured by your own curse to your own benefit.
SADAKO: DID I STUTTER?
Entity: What are you doing with those TV's.
Sadako: YOU GET CONDEMNED, YOU GET CONDEMEND, YOU ALL GET CONDEMNED
@@Drewdrew-n7n Fax, pyramid head is weak asf.
Myers also has the ability to outright disobey the trial. He can go against the entities will and rules through his sheer will and the evil within him by moriing survivors. I would say that would put him a bit higher
He's not S tier. His willpower and evil within him allow him to not be mentally subjugated by the Entity, but otherwise his supernatural abilities are relatively weak. His superhuman strength, durability and immortality put him above B tier, but aren't anything special within A tier. While Michael cannot leave Entity's realm or overpower the Entity, Pyramid Head, Sadako and Pinhead are able to do these things. So A tier suits him best.
@@EchoInTheKettle fair enough but I do think he deserves top of A tier
The entity still gets sustenance from mori’s. The devs have said anything that gives blood points feeds the entity
Following along with the conversation, I definitely feel most comfortable with Myers in high A. Great point that he can go against the rules of the trial, and my understanding is he is the immortal version of Myers, but there's others who can not only disobey the Entity's rules, but also outright leave if they want to (or in Sadako's case I'd argue she's not even really there in the first place but a psychic projection through her connection to the Entity). I'd be comfortable putting him low S as well.
Also, sorry it took me so long to respond!
@@EchoInTheKettleexcept he actually is S tier. His supernatural abilities are weak??? He's got so much more than a super enhanced body with physical abilities. In fact, I would say all that is just a byproduct of his mental power. His hax is ridiculous, to the point that he can just force you to kill yourself out of pure terror inducement. He can also manipulate people's dates and events to his desire. He is always 10 steps ahead of anyone because of his incomprehensible intelligence. The Shape is S tier.
If I remember correctly Myers is the only killer in the lore that actually just walked into the realm. Like some killers (trapper etc) we’re taken or kidnapped. Some had a deal like pyramid head or possibly demogorgon. Some were lured in like cenobite with the box. Some literally had to beg their way in like Blight. But the entity is tough and doesn’t just allow anyone in meaning supposedly after Laurie was taken, Myers I’m almost 100% sure wasn’t kidnapped but a little later on, he just found the fog and charged through and got in, because he is the embodiment of evil. I don’t believe any other killer had actually done this, I could be wrong though.
He followed Laurie, he didn’t break in just went through the same entrance as her
Well not anymore chucky ran into it willingly
I'll defer to the Chucky lore enthusiasts on this one, but I do believe you were correct before Chucky's release, that Myers was the one to just in. Pyramid Head was invited, Sadako has a psychic connection with the Entity and I actually believe her lore suggests she's just projecting herself into the realm though that connection. Pinhead may have been lured in but I'm confident he can leave willingly. There's definitely others who are glad to be there (i.e. Trickster), some tricked or deceived (i.e. Plague), and others held by force (i.e. Trapper).
Also, sorry it took me so long to respond!
@@theARoberts it’s no worries! I didn’t know about some of the others, but yea I’m pretty sure though Pinheads mori at least that he too can probably leave whenever he wants to lol
@@evildragon04 Yes, I'd agree with that too, I forgot to mention him. It would be very strange if he could remove Survivors from the realm at will and not leave himself.
Rank strongest survivors. Yes some survivors are so ridiculously strong that they’re able to defeat all the cast of killers and even the entity (Looking at you Cheryl and Ash)
I sort of did a version of this already, but not quite. It was who stands the best chance of escaping each Killer, and went into some of that conversation: ua-cam.com/video/FGgjPh3CfhY/v-deo.html. But I like your idea and I've added it to the list for consideration 😊I appreciate the suggestion
I like how Huntress became the gatekeeper for C tier
lol I felt the main divider between C and B was human vs. supernatural nature for the most part. She probably became the gatekeeper because I'm a big advocate that a lot of people underestimate how incredibly effective and dangerous she is 😅
@@theARobertsthe right of passage into c tier was if you could stand with huntress without becoming lil bits
22:00 your reasoning for blight is somewhat sound, however, the Halloween animatic shows blighted trapper having been captured and only escaping after his strength is increased by the blighted serum. Also while Doctor and Wesker seem open to experimenting on themselves, I doubt the other killers would have allowed it
To be clear, I do not believe the other Killers allowed it, just that their blighted skin doesn't necessitate that the Blight overpowered and captured them. In many cases, he could have just ambushed them and injected them, but never actually captured them.
@@theARobertsfor wesker we know that he tested it on himself since it says in the skin
@@theARobertswesker in RE always injects himself to become stronger
@@M3nun that’s not why he does it tho
29:30 I’ve heard theories that the dredge is a baby entity and that if it continues to grow then it might one day rival the entity in power.
Yea but sadly, it's only theory
It would make sense. As far as I remember, his lore is pretty sparse on details, but with the fog parallels I could see merit to it. I honestly can't imagine BHVR making such a big deal out of the fog of the realm, and then to make an original character that is literally a black fog that absorbs its victims, and there not be some kind of connection.
It might have been said by someone else, but I can also argue Blight being top of A tier.
As we know, there is a "dumping ground" for the empty husks and shells of anything that the entity has completely drained of energy called 'The Void', If I'm not mistaken, Blight was able to crawl his way out of that pit and back into the realm, I'd say being able to deny what is effectively the entities trashcan is a big feat in itself.
I've heard something like that, but honestly haven't read through all of his lore either to confirm. If true, that would be a pretty huge feat. Unsure if he did that before transforming into the Blight though? Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
One note I want to add about Pyramid Head is he is actually there to punish the Entity. When it was invited to the trials, it switched targets immediately to the Entity. The Entity has committed unforgivable acts and is malicious to pyramid head's standards. So it is punishing the Entity by disrupting the trials with its Final Judgement, taking away the Entity's meals. It also creates "wounds" in the trials when dragging its knife, and since the trials are part of the Entity, the knife is literally cutting into the Entity as a form of punishment. And because the Entity can't feel or understand guilt or punishment, Pyramid Head's job will never be completed, thus making his stay in the realm permanent. The Entity will be punished by Pyramid Head for all eternity
Pyramid Head being there to punish the Entity is a theory and isn’t backed by any lore within Silent Hill or DBD. He is still powerful but nothing says he is there to punish the entity.
Fun fan theory tho!
His power is just a reference of the otherworldy transition in SH2, where the real world peels off and the hell world landscape became rusty, blood and barbed wire.
The best fan theory in Dbd but it isn’t supported in the lore.
No he's not. In his lore entry he refers to the Entity as 'Master' and explicitly takes orders from it.
I think Dredge has been stated to be capable of turning off the sun, and also HUX can think in a nano second, Wesker is not out thinking them.
I doubt that means he’s actually sun level, more so blocking it out in a certain area like clouds.
@@disgruntledmanlet I agree it doesn't make him star level, and while I don't recall where I read it, it was said "turn off the sun" not "blocks the sun" or "creates a dark mist" it is specifically said to turn off the sun.
If you can point me to where that is I'd definitely be interested to read up on that. I see your point about Hux. When I recorded he was pretty new to the game if I remember correctly, so I wasn't as confident in my ranking on that one. I could be convinced of A. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
First off, welcome back! It’s great to see you again!!
Second, I believe I was the one who mentioned in a previous video that Sadako is most likely just projecting herself into the realm. I would still argue that she is at the top if not very closely tied to Pyramid Head. As a manifestation of James’ grief, wouldn’t that imply, similar to Freddy, that his power is being somewhat reduced without James being there? I’m not saying Pyramid head isn’t at the top, but I do not believe he wouldn’t go uncontested. Both he and Sadako are still able to break the rules of the realm by using means other than the hooks to eliminate the survivors. To put it simply, it’s like pitting an unstoppable force and an immovable object against one another.
In silent hill lore, it can be argued that pyramid head himself existed before James. He appears differently for other people and manifest off the guilt of a person entering silent hill. In dbds case, Cheryl is the one to manifest pyramid head as she felt guilt after feeling responsible for her fathers death.
Thank you, it's great to be back! Ah yes, thank you for reminding me, I had forgotten who mentioned it, my apologies. I've come to adopt that view as very likely as I've thought it through and looked at the evidence. With regards to Pyramid Head, the way I understand his DBD lore is that at the moment he was about to end himself after James faced his guilt and PH was no longer needed, that was the moment the Entity reached out and offered him a new unrestrained purpose to punish within the realm. So I do not believe he is bound any longer to any specific person's feelings. I am someone holds to the belief that PH is actually stronger than the Entity and there by invitation, not by forced obligation.
this video got me through a mental breakdown, so thanks for uploading when you did lmao
i'm really happy both pyramid head and pinhead are s-tier. i'm a huge fan of both their original source material so i may be a little bit biased, but they're both absolutely terrifying and powerful both in their original work and in dbd. i can't speak on sadako but from what i've heard she's also waaaaay stronger than a lot of people think, so i agree wholeheartedly on that. and dredge is literally fear, paranoia, and hatred manifested, so there's that.
i'm very mixed on michael. he's not the version of himself from the remakes or reboots or sequels, so we can't be completely sure on his abilities. he's silent, he's strong, he can probably teleport, he gets shot six(?) times and thrown off a balcony and survives.. i feel like a is a good spot, but i wouldn't complain about an s-tier ranking considering all that and his ability to literally disobey the entity and kill survivors himself
I'm grateful to know that one of my videos helped you in that way. I hope you are feeling better today and doing whatever you need to care for yourself. You matter.
I know that many of the Killers have been effectively nerfed by the Entity, but I do not get that sense with either Pinhead, Pyramid Head, or Sadako. They seem to all be there by choice and unrestrained, in some ways perhaps even more powerful than the Entity itself. Where you have someone like Trapper forced to kill against his will or others manipulated to serve, those three appear to be there almost as guests of the Entity.
I totally see you point about Michael and I expected to get several responses arguing for S-tier. Honestly, I could be convinced, the only reason I left him down at A was because I do still think he isn't as strong as who I put in S. But it's a great point that he can disobey the Entity, which indicates he's pretty strong.
The Myers we have in dbd is the one from 1978, the Original Myers. In that movie, it doesn't mention anything about him being supernatural. When Michael was shot by Dr. Loomis, he died in the Dbd-verse and the Entity took him when he fell. End of story.
It is no edvidence that leads to that in game this is your theory
@@aushynebell2238 it's actually unknown whether he died or not. But even then, the Entity still takes it's victims in their final moments.
So I have plenty of Halloween fans who have told me the original Myers is supernatural, if you have any hard evidence contrary I'd be interested to see it. And while I see your point about how the Entity takes people in their final moments, that is true for many, but not all of them. We see many characters just get taken outright without dying. It's possible, but I wouldn't say confirmed either. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
Okay so 1. Myers in the og movie got up immediately after falling asleep seen in the ending and 2. In Dbd michael barged into the realm uninvited and it’s not said anywhere he died or was taken then
Loved the video but here are a few thoughts. The spirit realm is actually a pocket realm inside the overall Entity realm. Now, Michael Myers would be from the first movie so acording to Carpenter he would be the incarnation of evil even though this is very ambiguous. For Demo, I wouldn't say he is supernatural but science fiction and yes, the upside down world would be on the Enrity's realm. Also, though Ireally like your Sadako theory, her bio actually implies she is in the realm
I think Singularity should be a lot higher purely because of the abilities of a true AI. He’s constantly learning and adapting, and is probably one of the, if not the smartest killers. I also don’t think anyone could kill him unless they deleted the program, as ripping him apart would just destroy a shell he’s using. With his constantly improving body, his eyes everywhere from his pods, and the ability to literally break time, he feels very very powerful imo.
As I've reflected more, I'm comfortable putting him atop the non-supernatural Killers for sure. The AI learning is a great point.
Also, sorry it took me so long to respond!
Very solid list! only thing i'd change is Bubba from D to C! comparing him lore/feat wise, id say he's at LEAST as strong as deathslinger or twins. Everything else is spot on though!
Hey, I appreciate that! I can see your argument there. The reason I put Deathslinger and Twins up was due to Deathslinger's intelligence and Victor's supernatural nature. If not for that I would have set them on the same tier as Bubba.
just found your channel a couple days ago, and have been watching your videos! i love them!
Apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up. I'm so glad to hear that you are enjoying the videos! I appreciate you watching!
Looking back, I think I agree with your list more than I agreed with my own 😂
Apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up. But yeah, I'm glad I could convince you on some of them 😉But like I say, I respect all your points too.
@@theARoberts oh you’re fine don’t worry, but yeah it turns out there were a lot of lore details I didn’t know so you had more valid points than I did imo.
the dredge is a god, an ancient god that was summon by otto but i never even realise how the dredge was taken. maybe the dredge found its way to the entity realm and is there? techneclly he could leave the realm if he wanted to. also dredge can asorb anything as he just a fog. if he canhide the meaty parts and be the fog and simply turn night fall on he can secretly kill as much as he wants to.
The Dredge's lore is very non-specific on how it entered the Fog if I remember correctly, so I can only speculate as you do. My thinking was something along the lines of because the Dredge is the fog part, is that somehow related to the fog in the Entity's realm, as if the Dredge is some kind of extension of the fog itself? Of the original characters, I definitely believe him to be by far the most powerful.
dredge’s lore states it as just vanishing back into the shadows from where it came, so…maybe an extension of the fog? really not sure
Where “The Unknown “ would be?
Great question, I'll give you some initial thoughts but I can definitely be persuaded otherwise. Given that we don't know very much about the Unknown (at least right now), it makes it tough to say. It does seem pretty unbeatable from a Survivor perspective, similar to the Dredge, so I'm assuming it's pretty strong. That said, I'm not sure we have enough to go off of yet to be able to say how it would stack against the other Killers. So I'm going to hypothesize it's somewhere in A-tier because of being supernatural, but not yet at the point of Dredge/PH/Onryo status.
Great tier list, honestly wouldn't argue with any spot. As a resident evil lover though its kinda sad that Nemesis always gets nerfed😂. I'm imagining him without the realm's nerf and how he'd be the nearly unkillable monster from resident evil with the intelligence to match his huge feats. Then with the blighted serum that would just make him even more of a threat and he's already incredibly fast as we saw in RE3
7:40 Not that this should sway the ranking because this is only a theory, but there are some hints that the Huntress may be a Bodark from Russian mythology. A Bodark is described as a human that chose to become a werewolf through a ritual of some kind. It is possible that her immense strength and ferocity are not her own or the entity's given to her but gifts given to her by the devil himself.
Interesting theory. I know her blighted skin may also hint at this, or at least at the idea that the Entity has imbued within the fog with some of that nature.
I don't really think so. Spirit's power are confirmed to be given by the entity so huntress probably too. Same as oni's and Ph's cages as according to his power description
pinhead is without a doubt the strongest. The only thing that could kill him in his lore was the Leviathan which is his realms creator and Satan. Plus, he could just take people out of the realm, dosen't even need to fight.
True, but we have to also factor in his world's lore combined with DBD lore combined with the world lore of other characters. It's at least possible the Entity is stronger than the Leviathan and thus also capable of killing Pinhead. Not saying that's for sure, in fact I may argue otherwise, but it's possible. We do see him have the ability to take Survivors out of the realm which suggests he's stronger than the Entity. But then I can make the argument that Pyramid Head is also stronger than the Entity, but also the only thing known to be able to take out Pyramid Head is Pyramid Head himself once his purpose is completed. So if we know Pinhead is technically killable and but as far as we know Pyramid Head is not (other than by himself), then combining Hellraiser lore, SH lore, and DBD lore I posit that Pyramid Head is indeed stronger by some degree. But full respect to you if you disagree, I just have fun debating this stuff.
@@theARoberts oh for sure, thanks for the response, love this kinda stuff.
@@theARoberts doesn't pyramid head die to Chery mason?
@@Johnsbigwick797 Pyramid Head is from Silent Hill 2, Cheryl is from 3. Pyramid Head ends himself after his purpose is fulfilled once James Sunderland faces his guilt.
@@theARoberts I'm confused. Cause Everyone says Cheryl solo's DBD
Myers is not necessarily immortal. He is INSANELY tanky, but not to the level of say Jason Vorhees.
Clowns head is too fat for a reverse bear trap
Didn't meyers just walk in to the realm and decide to stay?
Possibly, honestly haven't fully read his DBD lore yet.
@@theARobertsfrom what I’ve read the entity has no control over myers and constantly disobeys it through his addons
@@Gecko_ZenAren't all addons given to the killers by the entity either to mock them or incentivize them. If so then how can he be disobeying the entity by killing his victims if the entity allows it in the first place whereas PH and Sadako can kill them outright. If I'm not mistaken this Meyers is from the first movie where he was just a really tough guy with a knife. He wasn't a supernatural killer but a strong and smart one with a strong desire to kill. I know other movies he's basically the manifestation of evil in human shape but I'm pretty sure this one isn't.
From what I know in the general lore, the Entity can/will restrict, nerf or limit killers powers. I can't remember 100% where i read/heard it but one of, if not the only reason as to why Freddy's not as strong as he could be is BECAUSE the entity restricted/limited/nerfed his powers.
Not sure if this is in lore or not, but someone pointed out a while ago that the only killer Blight had *some* issue with was Pyramid Head (might be to do with Pyramid Head's strength) but it took 2 vials instead of 1 to get the effect he wanted. This is shown in Pyramid Head's Blighted skin as well as there's 2 vials of serum in the cosmetic, 1 on the blade and 1 on his body.
It’s presumably the human version of Talbots who conducted these experiments. He’s lost his mind completely after he was turned into an animal by the entity. I have no clue how he would specifically build pyramids knife to have a serum imbedded in it. Seems more Ike the entities doing than talbot
I have heard that exact thing as well, I just couldn't remember if that is documented lore or more of a generally accepted fact by the community? It could make sense that PH took two vials if I'm correct that PH is the most powerful, even more so than the Entity, i.e. PH couldn't be nerfed or limited by the Entity at all, therefore Talbot struggled more with him. Also, sorry I took 4 months to reply.
I just love this type of Tier-Lists - Lore based and you did such a great work! Thanks for video 😇
Thank you! I do love to geek out about the lore any chance I get. Glad you enjoyed it! Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
I feel like though he doesn't belong in C Trickster is far stronger than anyone on D
You seen how fast he throws those knives? Those aren't some dull glass shards those are full on throwing knives that can shatter bones, the fact that he can dish em out so fast is not to be underestimated
Someone also pointed out that he most likely would have military training as well, so there's some points for that. Also, sorry it took me so long to respond!
Imma have to disagree on Oni, I would easily put him above Spirit, without hesitation. I dont think Blight is stronger than Oni, either.
I respect the disagreement 100%
I think Oni is better than spirit aswell but not by alot
Nah oni is not beating blight
i agree with blight being high A tier but i feel like him being able to escape the void might make him low S.
Wouldnt The Dredge just devour everyone and everything at the end? I mean Pyramid head is somehow depending on pressence of his purpose but Pinhead and Dredge are "just" there. And because Pinhead can be stopped by the other cenobites i think Dredge would be able to absorb him if he wouldnt escape from the realm. In my opinion Dredge is for now the strongest killer because his pressence doesnt depend on something else he is just there.
Idk some enemies like previously mentioned pinhead or pyramid head, can escape that fog too, if they were able to dissapier from entitys one
(But yea, overral destructive capity goes to dredge)
Of the original characters, I absolutely agree that Dredge is top. However, I still would maintain the other big three licenses would come out on top. Pinhead likely is not bound to the realm and could leave at will. Onryo I argued is probably not even physically in the realm and connected to the Entity, and Pyramid Head is unstoppable and as I argued likely has a whole new purpose given by the Entity. I believe those three rival the Entity in terms of power, and in Onryo and Pyramid Head's case possibly even surpass the Entity, but I do not yet believe that the Dredge is quite there. I'm happy to be convinced otherwise however.
One thing worth noting is the characters who can directly disobey the rules of the trials. The biggest examples are the ones who can kill without a memento mori or hex: devour hope, those being Myers (with a tombstone addon, he doesnt even need to have hooked or downed them), Pyramid head with his final judgement, and Sadako with her inexhorable stare
100% you are spot on. Disobeying the rules of the trials shows either A) the Entity's favor on that Killer or B) that Killer being as strong or stronger than the Entity. Also, sorry it took me so long to respond!
I only watched the first movie but this is the one he come from so yes Myers is immortal and has an instinct that allow him to find Laurie wherever she goes she tries to deceive him opening a window then hiding but he finds her anyway and Hag can summon the Entity and she made a pact with it so she belong in A
But Freddy is weaker than A in the lore the Entity NERFED him but she can't stop Myers from following Laurie and killing survivors with his own hands so Freddy is just a pawn that the dreams demons gave to the Entity
Little applause to demo who is always the most balanced even in the lore!
Thanks for filling me in on Myers' lore and confirming what else I've heard. Maybe it's just my exhausted brain from too little sleep, but how can Hag summon the Entity? I think you make a great point about Freddy to distinguish him from Myers. And yeah, love how you pointed out Demo is perfectly balanced in gameplay and lore 😂Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
@@theARoberts Hag use the same symbol as Élodie and Vittorio used to summon it in their lore but the Entity is still more powerful than Myers because he needs an addon and everything that gives blood points feeds the Entity so even Mori but he might be it little favorite
Just like the artist, the plague is also extremely favored by the entity, it has its green bomb that would weaken most assassins and the red one, which is similar to a super strong acid and is further strengthened by the entity.Plague A Tier
I respect the ranking, I kept A-tier and up mostly for the more supernatural Killers, but I suppose you could argue that Plague's ability is inherently a little supernatural.
My takeaways from the list:
Idk much about Trickster lore, but I can’t imagine why he’s D tier. From just his mori alone you can see he’s an expert with throwing knives. I’d put him on Slingers level.
I’m not sure how Nemesis is nerfed in DBD lore, but I agree with your final assessment of A tier.
I remember Dredge being insanely powerful in lore. I’d probably put him in top 3 over Pinhead. I would like to hear why you think Pinhead is stronger.
I’m not sure I would put Wesker above Nemesis, but as I said I’m not familiar with how Nemesis is nerfed. From RE3, Nemesis has insane durability and regeneration. If those two fought, I think Nemesis would win, but it would be the toughest fight of his life. It took a rail gun in his mouth to kill him and Wesker doesn’t have that firepower. But I agree both belong in A tier.
Someone pointed out Trickster likely has military training too, so admittedly, I may have underestimated him.
The nerfing of Nemesis is more of an inference because he is limited in his gameplay (i.e. can't bust through walls, etc.) BUT I 100% concede that could just simply be for gameplay reasons/limitations rather than something that should be interpreted as lore informing.
Dredge is without a doubt the strongest original character. I could possibly be convinced he's stronger than Pinhead, honestly. I currently put Pinhead higher only because he is able to leave the realm at will (inferred from the fact he can remove Survivors from the realm at will) and because in his lore the only thing that can kill him is his god, the Leviathan. Dredge does seem to still be bound by the Entity's rules, suggesting to me that Pinhead is at least a tad stronger.
Others have commented that Capcom has confirmed Wesker is more powerful than Nemesis, but honestly I haven't fact checked that. I haven't played RE5 but my understanding is it took a volcano to kill Wesker. And Wesker is definitely faster and smarter than Nemesis.
Great things to discuss and I appreciate your thoughts. Also, sorry it took me so long to respond!
@@theARoberts I appreciate the response as late as it may be! I don’t remember the video much so I’ll just start with saying the three strongest are probably Pyramid Head, Dredge and Pinhead.
As for Wesker and Nemesis, Wesker just doesn’t have the firepower to take down Nemesis. Wesker is smarter, but Nemesis is intelligent. I could even be convinced Wesker beats him in physical strength. I just don’t think Wesker’s maximum output is enough to damage Nemesis. And Wesker is on a bit of a timer because he requires periodic injections.
Anyway, you should totally get around to playing RE5! Wesker is one of my favorite villains of all time.
I’ve heard a lot of times that it’s official that wesker can take on 5 nemesis’s at once, don’t know if that’s fully true though
I see a lot of people saying that, but I looked it up and saw a lot of people saying that it's made up by the fanbase, so I'm not sure. That said, I definitely believe Wesker is overall stronger than Nemi, if not in brute strength, definitely in overall speed and intelligence.
18:12 why do you think Spirits rage is more than his when he killed around 500 people bc he was angry
Because this guy is completely lost and can't power rate any killer correctly.
Oh, boi. Vecna will easily take a top spot. This guy even had Entity nerf him just to make things somewhat fair.
24:54/25:12 There are certain game mechanics that showcase a character's power but in a concise for example Dragon Ball Heroes gameplay showcases characters like Xeno Goku and Capsule Corp Goku as part of the gameplay it's just for Heroes like the anime. manga. statements. that elevate and enhance the characters to a higher extent. I don't use game mechanics when power scaling unless that mechanic ties in with a characters. unless the game mechanics ties in the lore and feats you always use the lore. statements. feats. and novels when scaling a character unless is a certain situation like the death of the author.
I respect that approach. At various points I've tried to differentiate where in game mechanics tie directly to lore, may tie in with lore, or likely do not tie in with lore, because in DBD we see examples of each. In this case, you can't 100% separate the two, because a lot of the gameplay elements are explained by DBD's lore, and so in some cases we can draw lore inferences from gameplay (definitely not always, sometimes it's just simple gameplay, like Sadako being stunned by a pallet).
Another interesting tier list might be: how powerful would this killer be without the Entity? S tier killers might stay the same but I would argue a lot of killers like Freddy and Huntress actually got nerfed by the Entity
Question, what do you think about singularity
@@Moghster6969 Singularity would be stronger than the human killers and the fact that he doesn't have vital organs would present a challenge for most killers. I think Skull Merchant would probably stand the best chance of beating him but if he takes her out, then it would take a killer stronger and more durable than him like Oni to actually beat him.
@@kimberlyterasaki4843 hmmmmm honestly I don't kinda agree with y. Like ofc he no diffs these human killers but i could argue that he wins both against knight and oni. After discovering an old ruins and realising that he was in fact slaved by humans, he started to evolving nie body. It ended up at creating a new body formed from DNA and biological matery of humans (we'll back to that) and less unknow kind of metal with is way stronger than any material on earth
Here I ll be honest that im not really sure what's The actual strongest material in The World, Google says that diamond, but im not really sure ab that
About strenght well one of his feats are taking one of exployers face off.
What's more we can see that he probably snatched bodyparts such as arms or legs of The same women
with is sth between 2,200 pounds
Lore describe that he has Force of 10 avange humans
Later he was able to take of heart of medician assistant
And most importantly, as I said he made his new body from a special metal harder than anything on earth, with kinda means that he's overral able to break bassicly every material on earth (that might be cap honestly)
Speed is bassicly avange human speed 4,5m/s, but as his reaction Time speed he was able to dodge a shoot from a unknow gun with is mostly probable to be simullar to normal one
Iq he was able to manipupate transport vehicles to eventualy kill human to extract DNA from human cropse.
He was able to create A new organic material with ended up at giving him state/form change to eventually gain the power to teleport by biopods
+in lore his inteligence is explained to be on God level. Overral I think that beside these S tier God like beings, only RE characters could beat him with their mutation potential.
@@Moghster6969 Okay, you asked my opinion, I gave it to you. Whatever.
@@kimberlyterasaki4843 yea I just wanted to discuss sth y know:)
I would actually argue that the Dredge is the most powerful Killer in the game lorewise, possibly tied by Pinhead. Pyramid Head is a physical cresture in the realm, as is Sadako, and as such if the Dredge gets its hands on them then they're done. All it has to do is consume them into itself and there's nothing they can do. And if Pinhead sends it out of the realm, it can just teleport back. It traverses dimensions, as it comes from the Land of Shadows. Pinhead can't restrain it, because it is both material and immaterial and it can use anything as its body. Not to mention its badically infinite range of things it can produce out of itself. As such, Dredge wins or deadlocks with Pinhead.
Sadako is literally a ghost. The whole argument of her being a 'physical being in the realm' isn't plausible. She's not actually there.
I 100% agree that Dredge is the strongest of the original characters. I could be convinced he's stronger than Pinhead, but that's a toss up in my head right now. I would still respectfully disagree on Pyramid Head and Sadako though. Pyramid Head is more than a physical creature, he's the embodiment of purpose, and the only thing that can kill him is himself, after he no longer has a purpose. The Entity has given him that and we also see he functions outside of the Entity's rules, strongly suggesting he's more powerful than the Entity itself, whereas the Dredge seems to me to be more confined to the rules of the Trial. I'd argue Sadako also is more powerful than the Entity, she has a psychic connection and the way I understand her lore, she's actually not even physically in the realm, but projecting herself through that psychic connection. Thus, the Dredge literally couldn't touch her. Regardless, all fun things to think about and discuss.
Also, sorry it took me so long to respond!
@@theARoberts I suppose that we'll have to agree to disagree on those points
p sure its said somewhere in re lore that wesker has the power to take on like 5 nemesis' at once ? i feel like being able to take on 5x an a tier killer would put him at the top of a, before getting into characters that just dont gaf abt the entitys rules like myers or blight
Oh, Wesker should be high A-tier, at least higher than Nemesis, I agree. Nemi may be low A, might even be able to be convinced high B. Can't remember what I said in the video though honestly 😅 Sometimes I think different things on different days 😂 Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
@theARoberts shh no worries no need to apologize ! dont be too hard on urself and i appreciate u going out of ur way to respond in the first place
20:02 Disregards the actual lore for Freddy and Amanda. Amanda isn't just a sneaky bitch with a hidden blade, she's an engineering master, studied with John Kramer for years. A number of the other killers wouldn't survive long enough to even have a confrontation with her. She'd crush Clown, Legion (yes, all of them), ghost face, trapper, hillbilly, doctor and maybe even Huntress.
Buuuut perfectly ok using outside lore for Pyramid Head? Biased much?
Didn't disregard their lore, just haven't seen the movies (which I am pretty upfront about in several videos on the channel) so I'm dependent on what other fans of Saw and Freddy have told me. Am I ignorant? Yes. Biased? Not in this case at least. But based on what I've been told about Amanda by Saw fans, I'm not convinced she could take down Ghost Face, Trapper, or Huntress. Feel free to convince me otherwise though. I'm ignorant for these two and always willing to learn.
Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
@@theARoberts I'm not all too sure what other people are saying about Amanda... but she did set up her own traps, use planning and her skills by herself to set up some of John's plans. She may have made them unbeatable, but she still did it. I'd say she deserves to be in the same ball park in threat level as John himself.
And, it's been a while since I've watched this video and honestly forgot and never thought you'd respond... but if I recall correctly, you outright said in your video you'd disregard Freddy's outside lore because of... what I assume to be arbritary reasons. Again, been a while, I'd have to rewatch to really determine if it's arbritary or not... but ultimately, that doesn't matter, you're making a video of ranking the killers based on their lore but then decide to exclude various killers lores or not exclude it based purely on your own preference. Which I believe it the epitome of arbritary.
Sadako is not the entity ("entity", not "The Entity"), Sadako is just a curse, not real character.
So would it be more accurate to refer to her as the Onryo then? As far as I can tell, she is named Sadako though in the lore. Unless I'm misunderstanding your comment? Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
Great video dude, hope all is well with family. Liked!
Thank you! I appreciate the support! Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
@@theARoberts well a new baby is gonna have an affect!
Pyramid Head while powerful as he is, he is just a marionette, first a marionette of the Silent Hill town and later a marionette by the entity, that means that a powerful entity like leviathan from hellraiser can subdue him.
Interesting, do you have anything to cite that he was a marionette of Silent Hill? As I read it, he's bound by purpose, but the only thing that can kill him is himself after his purpose is fulfilled, nothing else. Then as I understand his DBD lore, he's invited by the Entity with an invitation of new purpose, but we can see he is not bound by the Entity as he's able to follow or not follow the Entity's trial rules at will. He's one of the few Killers who can completely disregard the Entity's rules. That said, I'm open to being corrected if there's something I'm not aware of.
Also, sorry it took me so long to respond!
@@theARoberts it's implied by SH2 dynamics between characters interceptions. Each individual that is called by the town is tormented by their own guilt and the Town tailor their fears with personal nightmares that are mere husks. In James case he can enter other people other "personal hells" or pocket planes and interact with the environment there. Angela personal monster was a representation of his father abusing her. Pyramid Head is just that a representation or a conduit. Leviathan and Pinhead can alter reality and can animate inorganic things and also make thralls of living sentient beings making them new cenobytes. The reasoning is that if Pyramid Head is just an empty Husk Leviathan can warp him, and if he has some level of sentience he can subdue him by Cenobification. Pinhead by being an extention of Leviathan will, can do that too.
Wesker is definitely A tier, probably the top of it. I believe Capcom said he could "easily take 5 Nemesis'"
And I respect the Freddy placement; I'm pretty sure it's canon lore that the entity nerfed Freddy because he ended trials way too quickly.
Honestly can't remember where I put him but I'd agree he's 100% more powerful than Nemy.
Also can't remember if it's canon lore or just confident inference, but Freddy has definitely been nerfed by the Entity (and BHVR 😂)
Also, sorry it took me so long to respond!
Nah mate pyramid head aint defeating pin head...pin head is the strongest killer in dbd
Exactly, pyramid head is an overrated fodder
happy to see carmina so high !!!
She deserves it! Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
Sadako never touched her victims in the movies either
Makes sense, seems consistent then. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
@@theARobertsthat is not true. Plenty of Ring movies where she touches her victims
i think demo could kill hag, blight, and spirit at least. people have also said that he could kill myers, since myers only had a kitchen knife.
Myers might be immortal depending on who you ask. I don't see him taking down Spirit because she is supernatural, but I could potentially see Blight. Hag in a physical fight would lose, but I do think people underestimate her magic. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
@@theARoberts no worries man i appreciate you even responding to begin with
i was just thinking spirit has to become physical to hurt people, so wouldnt they be able to hit her if she unphases? she seems physical enough to where you could probably damage her (pallets and flashlights)
I've always disliked the "Huntress has the mind of a child" argument for her powers. Because if we really think about it Myers does too and along with Sadako, technically. But Huntress raised herself basically, alone in the woods. So she has a strong survival sense and even her mind got more mature with her even if she isn't "booksmart" Whereas Myers was raised in a prison (from my understanding) so he would actually be less smart than Huntress. Based on survival instinct.
Sadako isn't a child. She was 19 when she was pushed down the well, and died after 30 years surviving off of her rage and powers. She's never once showed any signs of having the mind of a child. She's just short. She's not the character from The Ring. Samara and Sadako are vastly different characters.
@@thegoldbussy I see you are a fellow educated Sadako fan as well.
The reason people talk about it with Huntress is that she has moments where she's clearly emotionally or psychologically immature, for instance where she struggles understanding why the girls she kidnaps keep dying without food. There's some lack there. Myer's is a bit too mysterious for us to draw the same conclusions I'd say and Sadako is practically a young adult. But, I still agree that I equally dislike that argument for Huntress. While she may lack some objective understanding of certain things, she makes up for it by sheer hunter instinct. She single handedly and easily took down a squads of enemy German and Russian soldiers who had teamed up out of the shared fear of her. That takes extreme instincts and understanding of tactics.
Also, sorry I was so late replying!
Heh my boy in s where he deserves to be
You knew it had to be 😁
I would make an argument imo that pinhead is stronger then sadako but it would be extreme
I think an argument can be made so you aren't alone in that. I do think a lot of people underestimate Sadako though and based on how I understand the DBD specific lore she's immensely powerful, which is why I place her where I do.
@@theARoberts that is true
But it's actualy true buld
Question, isn’t oni like his universes god? Someone said he has beat gods before and nobody really called against that
Great question, I think whoever told you that was probably thinking of an Oni from folklore, but not from DBD. In his DBD lore (game and tome), Kazan was a samurai who ruthlessly murdered farmers who he felt were posing as other samurai. This earned him the nickname of "Oni," which he hated this and killed anyone who called him that. Eventually, the farmers outnumbered him, tortured, and before they could kill him he was taken by the Entity and transformed into the Entity's interpretation of an Oni (believed to be the Entity's way of mocking him to keep him angry). Before he was in the realms he had no supernatural power at all and within the realms he technically isn't even a true Oni of folklore. But nothing in his lore about him beating gods.
@@theARoberts yes, i know about oni in folklore, I am quite well addressed on them, but I can assure you they indeed were talking about the oni from dbd (sorry if this sounds mean I can’t think of another way to say it)
@@theARoberts i did find it weird how someone was claiming that the oni was a god when he died to farmers I was just confused on why no one was saying otherwise
No worries, I was just assuming they may have been thinking about non-DBD Oni lore only because I see that a lot in comments. But yeah, nothing in his DBD lore suggests he was anything other than a normal man before the Entity took him, hence why a group of farmers were able to overtake him. So you were correct to be skeptical of their claim about him being a god. At one point the farmers do start spreading legend about him be empowered by something evil but in context it's clear it's just legend to explain his brutality.
@@theARoberts ok that’s what I thought so thanks for clarifying, I know how he died but I get bored looking through characters lore myself so I didn’t know
Now that I think about it I don't know why they didn't make nemesis breaking animation him charging up and walking through a breakable wall or pallet
Missed opportunity honestly 😭 Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
Would a tier list of killers estimating how much they can bench press be a good idea? lol
We all know trapper would win.
This is now on the list 😂 Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up. I appreciate the idea!
Dredge has a whole other realm of suffering inside him. So when they get moried they dont die they get leave when hell to be in another.
That's what makes him so utterly terrifying 😱
Idk why people are comparing the Entity with tangible beings. It’s implied that the entity is the equivalent of an eldritch god which are incomprehensible. They’re more akin to the forces of the universe than a God and it literally has the ability to travel across multiverses and manipulate the worlds there
The blight is just a budget Hulk
So Blight's lore is a moderate blind spot for me due to how much there is to comb through (I haven't gotten through it all yet), but my understanding is that he was able to escape the realm and/or through his experiments begin to be a threat to the Entity. That's what was behind my comments regarding him, which admittedly could be way off base.
Outside of that, Pinhead, Pyramid Head, and Sadako I believe have very strong cases for being as powerful or more powerful than the Entity.
dredge is a literal god in it's lore. so i would argue that it is more powerful than then entity, and the only reason why dredge is there is through an agreement with the entity.
Where does that come from? Tome lore? Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
As a blight enthusiast
Blight being S tier is quite deserved as all the injections on other killers he did before he took Compound 34 (what turned him into the blight) which means blight never infected anyone, Talbot Grimes did
BHVR has also stated prior to the transformation Talbot had a part of the entities power.
Talbot is also the second man in DBD history to escape the entities graveyard (the void) the only other being Vigo. Which blight/Talbot has the journal of
A great point to distinguish between Talbot and Blight, but could that make the argument that Blight may not actually be as powerful now because he's been taken over by overuse of the serum?
Also, sorry it took me so long to respond!
Only thing i really disagree with is HUX. I think the sheer fact he can think in a nanosecond, and how quickly he's able to assess weaknesses. Combined with his overclock mode making him stronger, faster and un-stunnable puts him on par with someone like Nemesis or Wesker
I honestly, could very well be convinced of this. I wasn't as familiar with Hux at the time of filming, so I sorta guessed 😅Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
@@theARoberts All good man. Also yeah Hux is kind of a beast in his lore
From what I believe, the license BHVR got from Halloween wasn’t from the movies. But rather the comic series. Some movies depict Michael as immortal while others don’t as you mentioned. And in the comics Halloween III: The Devil's Eyes, Michael is dead which follows the same continuity as the Halloween H20 movie where he isn’t immortal and died the same way as in the comics.
I appreciate the context. My understanding is that it is based on the original movie, but that Laurie's appearance is pulled from the comic since they didn't have rights to Jamie Lee Curtis' appearance. I could totally be wrong so if you have a reference I'd be happy to see it. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
Now onryō can no longer be stunned while demanifested
When did they make that change? That's got some neat lore implications. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
@@theARoberts she got the change with her big rework, tho it’s not too game changing because most of the time, you’ll be chasing the survivors manifested.
Correct me if I’m wrong in oni’s lore doesn’t he kill 1000s or 1000 people for not being worthy samari?
Not sure on the number, he does take out a lot I believe. But that was before he had any powers at all. The Entity made him into her version of an Oni to mock him. So he's a capable warrior who is then "gifted" supernatural power by the Entity, but not a true Oni of Japanese lore is my understanding. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
How is it the wraith exits the realm when he’s cloaked? In game, he can body block while cloaked, implying that he does indeed occupy space and matter in the Realm.
Comparatively Sadako, while demanifested, is able to be ran through because she is actually not physically in the Realm.
According to lore he enters the spirit realm. Not knowing much about it, either A. the spirit realm interacts with the normal realm and isn't totally separate or B. it's simply gameplay in conflict with lore.
Wait couldn't hunk be considered part of legion or no
Not in my opinion. He's just a legendary skin that transforms Legion into a completely different character. Lorewise he's separate.
That's fair
But if he was on legion where would you put him cause I feel like anything less than a b would be criminal
@@codyblade827 If there's any fully human character that could compete with those I put in my B-tier... it would 100% be Hunk
blight should be low s tier considering how he’s single handedly defied the entity. the entity tried to keep him out but couldn’t stop him
Was that Blight or Talbot that did that?
@@theARoberts they’re the same person
@@LoveyDovyy While technically true, the Blight has taken over Talbot so severely that he's no longer the same. So what Talbot was capable of doing is not necessarily what Blight is capable of and vice-a-versa. It's not like the Hulk who can transform back into his normal self, but rather if once the Hulk, he could never transform back.
@@theARoberts true, but would his blight experiments prove he’s still incredibly intelligent?
@@LoveyDovyy So it's been a bit since I've read his lore, so I'm happy to be corrected, but my understanding is once he became the Blight he essentially became rabid and ceased to have the intelligence of Talbot. He's now permanently in "Hulk mode" having been so corrupted by the blighted serum.
Pinhead was only defeated by the cenobyte doctor because his god Leviathan was conected with the cenobyte doctor and Pinhead disobey him, the doctor (an agent of Leviathan) strip away his cenobyte status and kill him as human.
It gets tricky when you are comparing a character's world lore with another character's world lore, and then combining the two within DBD's world lore. That's why I went with we know that the only thing we know can kill Pyramid Head is himself after his purpose is fulfilled, but we do know that Pinhead is technically killable by something outside of himself. It's hard to say if the Leviathan is more or less powerful than the Entity (though I admit that may just be because I know more about the Entity's lore than the Leviathan's). We do know that Pinhead is not bound to the realm like most of the other Killers so that at least suggests that he has a lot of power within the Entity's realm if he can leave at will.
@@theARoberts that's fair. My perception is that Pinhead and Leviathan are more powerful because they can alter time and space. Pinhead with the powers of Leviathan actually twisted the entire solar system effectivily creating a hell on earth, a feat that Pyramid Head is leagues below in doing that.
Agree with all. Just one I would change that I would put Myers on S tier. Thank you for the fun video
I can definitely respect you putting Myers in S tier, especially if he is indeed immortal, that would almost necessitate it. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
Where would the xenomorph be?
I'd put Xeno high B, limited primarily by the fact that it's not supernatural, just one really tough creature. I'd love to see a Demo and Xeno battle. Where would you rank Xeno? Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
I would argue Blight is in S tier. The blight flowers he cultivates have the properties of harming and possibly killing the entity. If he wanted to escape I think he is smart enough to find the entities weakspot and use his serum on it. He is definitely weak against most other killers but i think he and executioner are the only killers that could perminantly eacape the realm.
Wasn't Vigo able to escape using the blight(not the character)?
Please correct me if I'm wrong anywhere here, I'm not the most into the lore.
Edit: As other comments said: He denied the entity of killing him and is still denying it by the looks of it.
Blight is still low because he is in that state because the Entity messed with his experiments. The entity still has complete control over him and clearly the flowers aren’t as much of an issue for it now
So I'm not as read up on Blight's lore as others, so I could also be wrong. But my understanding is that Blight has been consumed by overuse of the serum, and is basically no longer Talbot. So some of his feats of escaping the void and experimenting on other Killers are from when he was more in control as Talbot, but now he's basically consumed by the serum. Happy to be corrected if I'm misunderstanding that.
Also, I apologize it took me so long to respond!
I would personally put Freddy as S tier but I completely understand why you didn't. He's definitely not as powerful as he is in the movie.
That's the primary reason I ranked him down, if it was only counting their own universe lore, then he'd be higher. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
Ngl i think Myers should be higher considering he walks in the realms without the entity approval, disobeys and is the literal incarnation of evil just like dredge i think it’s safe to say
I could be convinced of Myers being in S. He is on the border for me. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
I disagree with anything within the realm being stronger than the entity, with the simple fact that the entity’s realm is its source of existence, bringing in powerful individuals who have a purpose or goal to kill the survivors, so it’s win win for both the entity and the killers. With that in mind, there is no reason for it ever bring an excessively powerful killer like sadako or pyramid head into the realm if it didn’t have the means to stop said killer from destroying the entity and therefore anything and anyone within it, if weaker killers like trapper and trickster can ultimately serve the same purpose of feeding it. In this context, I believe that either blight or dredge is the strongest killer in the game, since both are essentially branches of the entity. Dredge is obvious, for the same reasons you stated in the video, he is made up of the black dog and can consume survivors as a method of feeding the entity directly, making him strongly connected to the entity and basically a part of it. Blight is able to traverse the entity’s realm and has consumed enough of the entity that he serves its desires in a trade for more of the substance he consumes, since he is basically addicted to drugs. He is also a crucial part of the entity’s plan to bring more killers into the realm since he is able to leave the realm and return while bringing in killers like the trapper and performing tests on them. He has done this with both some original and licensed killers. Also, he is able to blight all of the killers during the Halloween events as seen with every killers unique blighted cosmetics, making him powerful enough to manipulate every single killers physical body in some way shape or form while they are in the entity’s realm. I could see it going either way for dredge or blight being the most powerful, because both are extensions of the entity itself, but I personally believe it’s blight.
24:55/25:12 Just a friendly reminder that gameplay mechanics is for our entertainment in video games and it doesn't represent their actual limits of their strength for most game characters and it does not necessarily align and do not always coincide with the Lore of the game you are playing. Because video game mechanics won't let you play these characters at their most powerful it all goes to their respective franchise. you can't play a character that your playing online and playing a character in a game to show their full potential like for example Sonic the Hedgehog if he was to go as high speeds we're not playing as Sonic at his highest speed they had to slow him down because gameplay mechanics are restraining him. But if he uses his True Speed he will be broken. "Brokenly Overpowered" same as Superman or Batman from the Arkham series or Dragon Ball characters like Goku who can destroy a Multiverse but in video games like Dragon Ball Fighters and Dragon Ball Xenoverse he can be beaten by some of the weakest characters like Videl and Yamcha or like logical and seriously speaking Superman and Wonder Woman can beat the crap out of Batman and Shaggy in a video game called Multiversus. but are clearly on a equal field due to game mechanics. so it makes sense that gameplay mechanics have their own limits what they can actually do. you gotta go by the Lore to know what they are really capable of because the gameplay mechanics are restraining these characters.
That was part of the point I was trying to make, perhaps I just didn't say it well. I was trying to distinguish between how he was nerfed for gameplay reasons vs. lore nerfed by the Entity. My ranking was meant to be based on the latter, with the caveat that it could be argued that it was just due to gameplay reasons, in which case I'd have to adjust the ranking. Also, sorry it took me 4 months to respond!
Dredge would be top 3 for me pinhead in fourth place, also ghostie probably goes below plauge, huntress would be top of C for me. Myers would be a little lower, great tier list tho
Thanks! I appreciate you sharing your thoughts too. I could possibly be convinced of Pinhead below Dredge. Without looking back at my rankings, I see what you are saying about GF bellow Plague, I'd agree. Huntress is definitely near the top of C (can't remember who else I had in that tier honestly). Myers I only put up that high because of his immortality. If you go with the non-immortal version then he definitely needs to be lower, but my understanding is that the DBD version is the immortal version, but that could be wrong. I'm not as familiar with Halloween's lore.
@mushyroomrot that’s cap nemesis is hella nerfed if they were fighting outside of the realm nemesis would win but inside the realm myers would win this is cus myers just got buffed when joining
My understanding is that the version of Myers we have in DBD is immortal, so that's why I think he goes above Nemesis. If he's not the immortal version, then yes, Nemesis wipes the floor with him, even the nerfed version of him in the realm.
Where's the xenomorph?
Xeno wasn't out at the time he made the tier list
Xeno is like B at most
@@ifrit9732 I would say low A
I recorded this live before the Alien chapter was announced. But, basing it off of non-DBD lore, I'd put Xeno in the same tier as Demo. Versus the human Killers it's going to be stronger, but versus the mutant or supernatural Killers I actually think Xeno would be on the weaker end. Might change my mind after I get to read Xeno's DBD adapted lore.
No way he put bubba in d he is almost as immortal as michael
Buld what💀. What dura feats does bubba has💀
@@Moghster6969 Bubba has plot armor lol
I have never heard that Bubba is immortal 😂 is that a real thing or is it just plot armor at work? Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
@@theARoberts in the latest movie he has so much plot armor almost on the level of Michael
@@ilovemacaroons5229 Michael doesn't really have plot armor so much as he just is super tough to kill
Nemesis from RE3 Remake is already Nerfed compared to original RE3 xD
? He is more powerful in the remake dude.
@@Rafesco did he killed anyone? In the remake he looks like incompetent, can be killed by one granade if its not "Boss battle". He looks like he dont want to kill Jill. In Boss battles he do very little, just scripted, very easy to predict, actions.
@@archael7807 play the game on Inferno or at least in nightmare, it takes more than two granades to take him down, he is very fast and can stunlock you and the game don't give you enough granades to defeat him on all encounters, the final BOSS fight he can insta-kill you on inferno or leave You in danger in nightmare with any hit and has patterns from 3 to 9 hit chains. Of course you would find him easy on normal or even hardcore dude.
@@Rafesco have You played original RE3? Either way, do not bring challange modes. If we are taking about lore power, You should look at normal difficulties.
And just food for thought.
How first Nemesis encounters im both games looks like?
In remake Nemesis i chasing Jill, loosing her few times, and using the least effective tactics to get to her. This is Perfect killing machine? Do You know how Nemesis introduction looks in original RE3?
@@archael7807 I play both games so I don't need you to lecture me about the original. First yes, the original Game is superior in a lot of things to the remake, from the intro scene to the cut content and from the gaming pace to the execution. Yet gameplaywise the Nemesis in the remake on inferno is the more challenging version. And whether you like it or not the remake version had better feats of endurance, abilities and power. The remake one was able to tank a rocket launcher to the face while no other Tyrant was able to do that at that moment (deflecting the first rocket while impressive is something that the first Tyrant in the re1 remake had the ability to do); second he is able to infect other creatures with parasites making them a more powerful zombies. Third, his second form is much bigger and faster than the original counterpart. Forth, he was able to resist and surpass the acid bath unlike the original one. And lastly, he didn't take down Jill instantly by obvious plot armour and gameplay reasons. Imagine her being destroyed in the first scene when he grabs her with one hand.
Huntress survived a flamethrower attack
That why I'd have her atop the human tier, where the line for me for B-tier was mutant or supernatural. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
@@theARoberts I got a reply so I'm content, thanks for the input.
Arob = tier list man
I have done quite a few of them 😅
Ok first I’m removing myers out of that A tier he isn’t immortal at all he best he’s c tier billy and trapper would need to be in b tier as well billy has really durable skin like super tough and has some super strength, but also sometimes people forget when a killer loves being in the entity’s realm say trickster their ability’s and stuff is more stronger and enhanced, so killers like trickster doc knight especially knight would be in s tier except the other they be in like b tier.
Have you even seen the stuff that Myers has survived? He's definitely immortal
@@lyebatenkaitosofgluttony2452 no he isn’t
@@Notwedsquid Silly goose
@@lyebatenkaitosofgluttony2452 depends on version honestly but it we talk about og one, yes
Also why do you think that the killers who love being in the entity's realm become on par with Sadako, Pinhead, Pyramid Head, and Dredge, they're all absurdly powerful and tricksters just a dude with knives doctor likes lightning and Knight has some buddies
In my opinion, Blight is easily S-Tier. He breaks The Entity’s rules by escaping it’s inescapable prison (The Void) as well as harvesting on The Entity’s weaknesses. The Blight, as evidenced by his cutscenes, would knock out the killers, drag them to his laboratory, and then chain them up to a wall to torture and then infect them. This was all before he became The Blight, so afterwards it’s incredibly likely he was able to capture them even easier. I also think he was pretty much tricked into joining - The Entity stole the box and had the survivors steal it, which invited him in. From there, it’s likely he is basically stuck in The Realm as The Entity has either trapped him or he is stuck as the lament box keeps summoning him.
1- We only know that he overpowered the Trapper. The others could’ve been ambushed, had an agreement with e etc. and the Licensed blighted skins aren’t canon.
2- the entity managed to sabotage his experiments, leading to his transformation. Clearly the flowers and the Blight isn’t that much of an issue for the Entity
@@thisperson1677 Blight refers to a disease that is fatal to plant life. The Entiry is described by Vigo as similar to a plant. There is no evidence for licensed Blight skins not to be canon. If he overpowered The Trapper as a human, that means he would be even stronger now that he has had his physical form enhanced. The Entity did not sabotage his experiments - it punished him mentally for harvesting its Blight and for escaping the void with hallucinations that made him pityable. Instead, it only proved his desire for the Pustula and killer instinct, as evidenced when he slaughters countless opium addicts in a hallucination. He became The Blight due to overuse of the serum, not The Entity turning him into it. We saw his final transformation in his trailer, The Hunger.
I appreciate your argument for Blight being S-tier. Although, do ewe have evidence that he overpowered all of the Killers? In my opinion, it's also easy to explain it without him overpowering them, but simply ambushing them. For instance, unless BHVR explicitly stated it in the lore, I cannot be convinced Talbot overpowered Pyramid Head. I also know that Wesker did it willingly. So to me, his experiments how he's more powerful than some of them, but not all. Plus, wasn't that pre-Blight Talbot? I also see your argument for Pinhead, and interesting theory that he was tricked, but I still don't think he's trapped there. We know he's able to remove Survivors from the realm, so that would seem weird to me that he is powerful enough to do that, but not to leave himself.
Also, sorry it took me so long to respond. I've been playing catch up.
@@theARoberts him dedicating the tags on his syringes makes it seem like a dedicated process, along with how some characters have several syringes in areas that seem strange to inject them, and instead seem like they might have been found by the killer, which would make sense if they were in his lab. We know he tied up The Trapper, and I’m pretty sure there’s a lore entry about him and The Doctor in one of his old tomes. Tbh it just seems out of character for him to rush up and inject them when he’s a scientist that makes lots of notes and seems to have been studying The Realm before the psychotic break, so who knows how mentally intact he is, yet the tags being personalised implies some level of cognitive ability.
@@penguinproductions8829 My understanding was that his experiments were done pre-Blight transformation when he was still Talbot. Am I incorrect on that?
Demo doggy has been robbed :(
Make your case 😁 Convince me otherwise.
@@theARoberts….. No…. I sense that I’ve made a mistake of some kind….
I think pinhead would be able to beat every other killer in the game considering the comics give him planetary feats which is far above anything the other killers in the game has done and his chains are durable enough to cut through speeding subway trains and most likely much more
This comment might age poorly if a killer like the tall man from phantasm gets added in though
I only put Pinhead below Pyramid Head and Sadako because Pinhead is technically killable, whereas I'd argue Pyramid Head is not and Sadako is greatly underestimated in terms of her strength by a lot of people (in terms of lore, gameplay-wise... well we all know where she sits there). A lot of people argue for Pinhead to be stronger though, so you are definitely not alone there. I certainly respect that take.
Also, sorry it took me so long to respond!
I think I can get dredge to uni
No xenomorph?
Recorded and released before the Alien chapter released. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
i think pinhead is stonger than pyramid head
I think so too. But cenobites power level is so difficult to pin down really (pun not intended). I dont think its established in the hellraiser lore what it truly is. Is something controlling them? Are they gods?
Pinheads attack potency is horrendous. His battle iq is horrendous as he’s never had to fight anyone ever. He’s limited to spawning chains and hooking them onto helpless humans. He doesn’t outright perform any impressive feats from the first 2 films from which he’s from. He can only teleport when you summon him with the box and his durability isn’t impressive. The only feat he has is teleporting already dead survivors to the labyrinth on a pillar.
@@presL05 you're so smart XD. If you don't know basicly every S tier killer is bassicly immortal
have you watches the movies?
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@@basedqacist7526lol, Pinhead is a reality warper dude, he can't do it in the game because it would be too OP, he is like that for gameplay reasons. He gained nigh omnipotence in the comics and make the entire solar system a hell domain.
Love the video as always!
I agree with these but I feel like legion would beat ghostface in a fight. The legion isnt stupid, and would most likely stick together to avoid getting picked off one by one. They would just wait for him to show himself and overpower him. I think if ghostface and the legion knew they were fighting eachother, as a set-up fight, legion would win because they would be prepared for him. If not, as if ghostface catches them off guard randomly, ghostface might beat them.
Thanks! If the Legion could work together then I would agree. 4v1 is pretty impossible odds outright. But I do think that GF stands a decent chance of making it a series of 1v1's and then I'd say he would likely win in that situation. But as you say, if Legion could work together than GF stands no chance. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
Pyramid Head 🐐
Always. Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
A fact that might get ghostface a little higher: He's technically immortal in the dbd universe. Not mad at you for putting him low or anything. Just thought id be a little helpful.
P.s. love the vids btw.❤
In this universe everyone are inmortal sooooo....
But arent all the killers immortal by the entity? :/ At least in the realm of the entity. Like ghosty in scream-realm is very much a human but something different in here. It's not even the same person. But like Michael is the exact same being as in halloween.
@@ossi410I mean ghostface is the entitys favourite I'm pretty sure
@@Big_Muchacho still don't really proves anything
Question, where does it say he's immortal? I'd love to know. It's been a while since I've looked at his lore. And thank you! 😊
Myers is literally the Embodiment of Evil. He IS Evil itself. Evil in the shape of a man. It's why he has no motive for why he kills because Evil just does. He's in the same league as The Dredge and Pyramid Head. S or GTFO!
Ok, I haven’t commented in a while, so here goes nothing.
Singularity would easily be A Tier. Let’s look into who loses a fight against HUX from a tier. Myers, freddy, Spirit, Oni, nemesis, and knight. Only hag blight Artist and Wesker stand a chance cause of either intelligence or supernatural abilities. I could give an in depth explanation if requested. But the basic is that none of those have any ability or weapon that can even remotely intimidate HUX.
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I’m gonna pretend you didn’t just say a strong robot beats the nigh immortal Bioweapon…
FINALLY🙏
@@thisperson1677 since when He's inmortal
@@Moghster6969 I said nigh immortal. Conventional weapons do next to nothing to it. That’s even ignoring when it mutates. Hux has 0 chance
@@thisperson1677 Nemesis has 0 weaponry the can even come close to damaging the metal on the singularity considering the singularity has a “skeleton created with alien metal found in the ancient ruins. A metal that was harder and lighter than anything on Earth” I doubt nemesis could even scratch HUX. Even if HUX can’t kill nemesis immediately, it would probably find a way after some time.
I agree with like 90% of the list, but some, like demo, should've been a bit higher Imo
I respect it. These things are subjective so I am by no means saying I'm absolutely right. Just curious, what's your reasoning for Demo to be higher? Also, apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up.
I skipped ahead I think nemesis would definitely be stronger than Myers he’s like an embodiment of evil but also he hasn’t done anything that makes him more deadly than nemesis he’s just really durable but if it were to be a 1v1 I really couldn’t see him beat nemesis nemesis probably couldn’t kill him either but like he’d just throw Myers around
I based my ranking on the fact that, as I understand it, the version of Myers in DBD is immortal. Since Nemesis can be killed and (if my understanding is correct) Myers cannot be, that's why I put Myers above Nemesis. If I'm wrong and it's not the immortal version of Myers, then yes, I'd agree Nemesis would take him to town.
Love the list! Though I disagree with Plague and Skull Merchant
I think Plague is bottom B tier. I could see her weakening the lower tier killers with the sickness *IF* it’s the bubonic plague or something like it
I think Skull Merchant is upper D tier
Thanks! Totally respect your opinion on those two as well.
Bubba is literally leagues stronger than trapper in lore.
Bubba literally can break through Cement with just his bare hands. Like a good 5inches worth of solid reenforced cement
Dude has literal imbred genetics that give him literal super strength
He also sliced almost completly through his own leg in the original and WALKED on it with bone literally snapping and shattering and splintering out of the wound.
Dudes a literal hulk compared to trapper
So I know what happened in the movie with his leg but I'm honestly not sure where you're pulling the rest of that from???
@@theARoberts read the comics. It has its own comic book series also.
As you said Pinhead is technically stoppable, BUT he can only be kille by other Cenobites as seen in Hellbound: Hellraiser 2
Still There is no other cenobites xD
Rob mentioned that in the video that only other Cenobites can kill another.
He was only stopped because he Lost a Grace with Leviathan, The cenobyte doctor kill him because he was directed conected with Leviathan so he direclty punish him.
@@Rafesco yes
Apologies that it's taken me so long to respond, I've been behind on comments and trying to catch up. To your point, that's why I put Pinhead very close to the top, but ultimately for me it came down to one was technically "stoppable" (even if it's only under certain conditions) while the other is completely unstoppable.