Are PBA Regionals WORTH BOWLING??
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2023
- Packy heads to Waxahachie, Texas to bowl a PBA Regional Tournament in the Southwest Region! He documents all his expenses, and dives into the experiences gained on the Regional Circuit, all to answer the question, is it worth it to bowl on the Regional Tour?
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Congrats on another win Packy!! They’re piling up nationally and regionally kid! Always rooting for you…#team8bagger
Thanks Sean!!
If you win them they're worth bowling.
High risk = High reward
@@hoth3875I mean $300 entry and steeper competition for $2500. You can win a big local amateur tournament with a $60 entry and make about $2000 so idk
@@tackywacky99 as an amateur, it's saddening to hear that you do this, if your actually really good and not an amateur yourself, but I do get it if it's allowed.
@@rickst3r it's the second PBA regional I've bowled. The only way you're going to learn to bowl on pba events is by bowling them. I'm not just saying the oil patterns. They put out more volume to compensate for rev rate. The way bowlers break the lane down is far different based on experience. You're running into plenty more urethane. I mean just what the guys said in the video. But exaggerated way more than you would think. The gap between an amateur competition bowler and a PBA bowler is huge because and it's because of knowledge and experience. Unless you have a serious sponsor or a bunch of money laying around, I would go into the PBA with low expectations and an open mind to learn. Even the best hall of famers spend years barely winning or cashing anything. Like parker bohn
@@rickst3r Wild to think that if you're cashing, it's not enough to break even if you have a lodging fee much less the time I'd have to take off work. Unless you can drive there in a day or have someone that will let you stay with them in the area I'd say bowling regionals isn't worth it at all. Much rather look for non-PBA tournaments with a bigger prize fund and the same entry fee... 2500 vs. 10-15k first place is a big difference.
congratulations!! Thanks for letting me film this. I had a blast and cant wait to see when I can help film next.
My son (Keegen who will be a freshman bowler at Newman next year) did his first regional a couple weeks ago in Wichita. He wanted to see where he kind of stood with other college bowlers in the area as well as some of the top bowlers in the region. He just missed cut by 26 as well just missed breaking even for the day (-36)...which were the goals for the day. So even though it was a loss it was a win. It showed him he is able to compete at a level higher than high-school, hold his own against older bowlers, etc.
So for us it was a win.
Congratulations on the dub and we'll see you when we see you in ITC....
It’s a great place to test your skills and learn what you need to improve on!😁
Another W for Packy! Congratulations and excellent work! Always good to stay sharp and a little competition is a fun thing.
Here's to much more success to come!
Really enjoyed how you went about the video, man! Great work as usual on the video. Even better with the win!
Amazing content as always, Different aspect then the tour which is cool to see, and Bonus Victory definitely makes it a sweet weekend. Congrats
Absolutely!
Congratulations on the win! Great Vlog! Keep up all the great content!!
Packy... great video.. appreciate all your effort informing the bowling public. As well, I love watching you bowl. Get em lefty!
Really cool video. Good luck with everything Packy 🔥👍
Great video and congrats on the win. Use to bowl regionals in the south region back in 2005 to 2010. I never did them for the money because I had a full time job to support me bowling them. Use to love bowling them because of the competition and the pretty hard oil pattern. Some people did get a little aggravated when the national tour guys showed up. They acted like the automatically took a check from all the other bowlers. I didn't bother me when the national tour guys showed up. I didn't make alot of money bowling regionals but it was a fun little get away every weekend we bowled and I enjoyed meeting the locals. Regionals in my opinion are for guys like me. Don't have the talent to bowl for a living full time and want to bowl some good competition. I do like the 1 out of 3 payout. Love regionals because it is a lot of fun and I don't really have to take time off of work to bowl them.
Found Belmo's burner account
Good stuff! Congratulations Packy!
Your channel is super informative and entertaining. Congrats on the win!
And congrats, Packy!
Great video Packy. Congrats on the win 💪
Congrats, Packy!
Congrats! I'll be bowling a few regionals this summer. Entry fee already paid for 1. The rest depends on my work schedules.
Would be awesome to bowl a super regional but they are a bit too far away for now.
Packy is definitely growing on me :-) Wish we heard from more of the house guys on her though.
I love seeing these types of videos. My only feedback would be the following: 1.) Remove the cost of things you'd have to do at home, even if you didn't bowl a regional. Example, you have to eat at home also. While you may not eat fast food at home, you still have some sort of food expense. I think the cost should be limited to entries, gas, and hotel, probably. Those are the "added" expenses beyond just living your life. 2.) I loved AJ's response that regionals are good tools to sharpen your skills. As someone who is not on the national tour but does bowl regionals, I look at it this way. Even if I don't cash, I am paying for entertainment and experience. On the experience side, you may pay coaches to help with your game, and pay to open bowl, but it's also really good to gain experience in this type of setting. Bowl on these patterns, against tough competition, in this type of environment. On the entertainment side, I also enjoy bowling tournaments, more than going to a concert, or a play, or whatever other "fun" activity you might otherwise pay to do (even if you would pay a lot less). If you don't cash a lot, it may be hard to sustain bowling a bunch of them, but get out and bowl some. It's totally worth it to me! Keep up the awesome content!
Congrats and excellent video
Thanks for coming to our humble bowling center. Glad it was worth “being a long way from home”.
I loved it even if it was 6 hrs away!
I think for regionals it comes down to what other organizations offer too. For example, in the New England region, regionals only happen 1-2 times a year. Lot of bowlers rely on NEBA as the highest competition.
One exception I will make, this past weekend there was NEBA and the 8k event. The 8k is Charlie Mitchell’s annual event where the winner gets $8,000 and top 8 guaranteed $1,000. There were a couple of pros there (Arturo, Martell, Joey Pants) but the competition there was really good and next year’s event is going to be big. But NEBA to pay $1k or Bayside 8k you see a difference. Even with a regional the difference is only $5 between a PBA regional ($245) and the 8k entry ($250). Prize Fund Money and experience are the two biggest things for me
Just another feather in your cap well done Packy 🎉
Thanks Dave!
Would’ve been cool to see you in the lineup at the regional in North Dakota in a few weeks. Awesome content as usual 👍🏼
Would’ve been for sure 🥺
Another win for the house. Great job Packy.
Yes!!! 🏆
First: gratz brother!!! Always nice to hear a relatable guy winning. But also, I really always wondered. Can do the math and just figure out what someone would make even if they have an off week and never get it done. Thank you for the insight.
Congrats!! Great bowling! Looks like you might be wearing a Whataburger patch next year! Better hit ‘em up for a sponsorship spot on your jersey!
I would say that lodging is probably the biggest expense when traveling aside from the entry fee. If you can find someone to stay with for free that really helps out. Congrats on another great win. You're really making a name for yourself Pakky! I'm cheering for you.
I would say an Airbnb, vrbo or just a housing app/site is the best option, bc hotels are expensive and super small. It’s what our family’s done for the past year
Yes ! Absolutely worth it it’s all about getting experience , Plus you have a big advantage you are a PBA champion so there’s no pressure for you you got this made🎉
Thanks j😁😁
You the guy, just straight chillin in the left lane, making UA-cam vids. ➡️
This is a very important video for the entire bowling scene
Great video, this is probably one of my favorite bowling videos in the last 30 days or so. Then again I picked bowling back up last august to specifically to bowl regionals (even had to join a dumb ass l league to meet the 200 ave requirement).
I know I'm watching this video 8 months late, but it was still really very interesting. Thanks Packy....
Just bowled a regional. didnt cash. -$350 for me hahaha. Cortez Schenk is too good
He is a great bowler for sure!
Congratulations and it’s great to see you, your bowling and your channel grow. U have come so far
Tell Anthony Lavery-Spahr, Sean and Simo I said hi. They all worked at Plano Superbowl in Plano TX. Anthony Lavery-Spahr use to drill all my equipment and we've bowled several tournaments together and Simo and I bowled regional tournaments together, last one was in Greenville, TX.
Waxapu$$y isn't a bad center. Bowled there a few times.
I know not being on the road gives at least the option of making your own food…….but let’s be honest, the younger pros seem to eat out no matter where they are. I think adding food costs is a stretch.
Man at 08:00 the power and rev rate on the ball is crazy. I like interesting approachs
Good luck packy
Good to see Beef and Barnzy are gonna discuss you on their next show
It was great bowling against you this week packy, congrats on the win! Especially with how hard they were, you bowled great!
You're going to need a bigger trophy shelf, Packy! Congratulations on another win in a great year! As to expenses, in all fairness, you'd be eating and paying for food and drinks even if you stayed home, albeit perhaps for less. Being able to get free lodgings was a big deal.
You are working that Whataburger sponsorship. I believe in you!
Always good to "know a guy"....as in free place to stay! Otherwise you'd have been around $2200 or so. Congrats on the win! On to the next tournament!
Just started watching....nice to meet you in Lewisville. Clearly this trip had to have ended up being profitable!
Thanks Mike! Great to meet you down there 😁 it was a profitable one for sure!
Your car expenses aren’t limited to just gasoline. There is tire and brake wear, and regular mileage based maintenance (oil/filter changes etc.). To be more accurate something alone the lines of .65/mile is a better estimate. Food is not really associated with the tournament either, you’ll eat even if you’re not in a tournament. What’s missing is lodging expenses. Since you won, of course you’re gonna end up way ahead, but I’d be interested in a more accurate estimate of your expenses.
Bowling against Packy in a Pro regional tournament would be like contributing to a Packy # go fund me page.
Hahaha they don’t always go this well!
You should do a video on professional lane courtesy.
Bowling and lighting your money directly on fire are close cousins. The only reason to bowl tournaments is for the competition - if you're out there for the money and you aren't one of about 20 guys ( Tackett, Simo, Belomo, etc... ) then you need to go back to math class :)
Cool tech bowling bowling the house bowling packy
Congrats on the W.
If you are lucky enough to know someone, like you did for this one, lodging for the tournament can eat a lot of your profit or really put you negative.
Still I agree that you can learn more at regional.
Packie: "I'm going to make a video all about if bowing a regional is worth it"
*Wins the whole goddamn thing* 🤣
Good ole Hill Top!
Honestly I think food cost should NOT count towards your total since you would be eating anyway, still a good video for everyone to see how things go.
That's a rather myopic assessment. It depends entirely on other variables...if you happen to live across town from the tournament, then yes... you can eat at home for no more than you'd normally spend on a day's sustenance. But if you're traveling any significant distance and staying in a hotel as many regional bowlers have to do, then cooking your own meals isn't really an option. And brown-bagging several day's worth of sandwiches, while possible, both those sandwiches and their appeal will get old real quick. You'll end up eating out at some point. And if you're not gonna count that as an expense, then you're just deluding yourself.
Yeah but you eat differently on the road, or at least most people do. You have to count that expense. Most people are saving way more money at home grocery shopping vs eating out / fast food. If you live on fast food at home well then I dont know what to tell you lol.
Business travel expense!
@@heftygainz Yeah but to offset that you dont really have time to eat out when youre on the road like this so that might well ofset the other direction. Plus even if you dont eat out a decent steak on the BBQ and other meal ingredients could well offset 3 of those fast food items that Packy ate. I guess what I am saying I dont think eating at home is any cheaper than eating on the road and unless Packy seldom eats at home then I agree with some others about not counting the food.
I would agree! But put the cost in there to show some of the expense!
Depends on your definition of “worth it”. The real question people should be asking is, can you make a living off it.
Packy, your balance at the line and ability to repeat shots appear to be getting better and better. In my opinion it is not financially worth it to bowl regionals, except for the top regional bowlers, or people who are well off financially. However, it may be worth it to bowl some regionals for practice, experience, and competition, if you can afford the entry fees, travel costs, and time. If my memory is correct, I believe that you had two regional wins and a third place finish in 2022 in a short period of time. I think that you have a chance to be top lefty in points and or average next year on the tour. In the 1980s and early 90s I frequently bought good sandwiches from home to tournaments in my area. It would cost three times as much to feed me, as you on the road, if I bowled tournaments today. Who can eat one sandwich for a meal. I would need two, with a side, and sometimes three if the sandwiches are small.
Usually bowlers won’t go down on Thursday and leave Monday but instead will leave Friday and come back Sunday night with this one being a little further away and my schedule being super free I spent a couple extra days!
As others have said, lodging is probably the biggest expense, but you now have fans everywhere. I'm sure there are many that would be happy to host you (and others depending on size of home) if you ever feel the need to save a few Benjamins.
Many can go and cash and lose money on the weekend after entry and room and board alone. Something many can keep in mind when factoring in if they feel it is worth it for them.
Congratulations on the win. I think it's worth it if you are really great it. If your getting back in it, probably not.
Hey Packy, could you please make a video/tutorial of how to control your hook? like, how to hook less or more, I play 2 handed with purple hammer (speed about 22 kph) and it over hooks each time
The video makes it worth it lol
Are you coming to sweden and bowl the PBA in september. I'm a big fan of your UA-cam channel.
cost of housing/motel?
Congrats on your win...Besides the financial plus, you earned a very nice addition to your trophy case!
Hey Packy that's why they call it a regionals & NOT national. regional means its like a state but has a couple more states involved thus meaning you live near by. I say if your 50 miles from the regional it could be worth it. little Packy man from KOKOMO!
Can you make a video with all your trophies and rewards if you have them all in one spot? It'll be an interesting video to see all your accomplishments dating back to your college days!
Don’t have much from college days and earlier 😂😂
Nice win!
I can't stop thinking about how expensive that gas station food was 😵💫
yeah and calling it food is being generous
makes up for the cheap gas prices
@@backtoschool9760 How about sustanence?? Gas food is snacks only. NEVER eat that crap. My dog usually turns her nose up🐕🐕🐕. Can't remember the last time I was that hungry.
@@backtoschool9760 I dont think you know what Buccee's is lol
You’ve obviously never been to Buc-ees
Can you do something like this for the national tour?? I don’t mean if it’s worth it but like breaking down expenses and such
You can see me 🙂 go to 2:40 lol I'm on the left by the ball return woopwoop
I’m bowling my first single person tournament on a sport pattern (not sure which pattern) today. $30 entry fee. Top prize is $250. My expectations for winning are low, but the experience will be amazing. 26 people were signed up when I did.
That’s worth it with $0 prize fund
Good video Packy!
What's the deal with the pennants with people's names on them? Do the bowlers bring their own pennant?
Champions banners. They are carried by the pba and displayed every tournament you enter after you win a title
OK Packy, nice win. Any win on tour is a good win😊. Watching your competitors I saw some "ugly ass" approaches and yet they are far above me, so take it for what it's worth 😢😢. What do you think you have in this win as far as time invested in hrs?? I always put an hourly figure to determine what your time is worth. Yea, I know what will be said, I'm just curious that's all. I didn't hear much anout changing balls every game or 2. We're you able to stick with the same ball or what?? Again, great win. You bowled really well. You're having a SOLID year. Just keep it going!!!
I bowl because I love to so the hours invested feel like 0 😁
@@TheHouseBowling ok
If they are close to you... yes.
Unfortunately I have to travel 1000 miles to get to regionals in the NW region.
I would agree distance plays a huge factor!
Are you going to bowl in Colorado Springs at that regional in a couple weeks?
can you make a video on how exactly to get on the tour?
1) Don't suck.
2) Practice.
3) See # 1.
4) See #2.
5) Enter every local or semi- local tournament you can find, and keep doing it until you start winning.
6) Be realistic about your skills, or lack thereof.
7) Acknowledge the fact that of all the guys on the national tour, there are 6 or 8 who actually make enough money from bowling that they don't have to do anthing else if they don't want to. But unless you really are the next Belmo or EJ Tackett, be prepared to have a day job the rest of the year if you want to eat. There's an earnings list available online, and you can see what these guys actually make... I'd post the link, but youtube doesn't allow that. For the vast majority of pro bowlers, it's not a particularly lucrative career path...unless you happen to be one of the elite.
I can never forgive packy for making all these young broccoli headed 2 handers doing that damn hip thrust after ever shot 😏
Thanks i always wondered if you guys actually make any profit after expenses.
Here ya go, I usually don’t count the food but for this trip I did just to show!
Packy that Little packy man is NOT any type of put down it refers to Little Joe from KOKOMO! since your the PBA national champion its now little Packy man from KOKOMO. that was a GREAT achievement you SuperPackyMan did, WOW!
I would love to bowl more competitively but i live near kansas city and most places that host tournaments I would have to pay for a hotel stay... any recommendations?
Not when Packy is there... Good bowling this weekend big guy. They were tough.
Do you think there is more competition in the regionals or in NEBA in your personal opinion?
So your fee for staying with the Barnzy family was having to do the Beef & Barnzy show? If go, good deal for us.
What is the rule with Urethane? I have heard no older than 6 months, and no older than 2 years old. Can you clear that up? Also, next time you bowl Waxahachie, check out Moni's Italian on Ovilla Rd & Hampton Rd. Also, Chubbys off of I20 & Cockrell Hill Rd. Both good places, and prices aren't bad.
At the cost of travel (airline tickets and or fuel) and hotel it isn't worth it these days unless you have a lot of disposable money.
Great video as always! I do have an observation… I believe that you may not necessarily need to count all the money that you spent on food on this trip in the total cost of entering the tournament, because if you had stayed home, you would still be spending this money to eat all of these meals most likely, so they cannot necessarily be attributed to entering the tournament 🤓
That’s how I think of it but just wanted to give a trip summary of total costs! Great minds think alike!
@@TheHouseBowling 🤔🤓🤪🤪🤪🌮🌮
He'd probably spend less at home though because he wouldn't be eating out every single meal for three days
The low end there hooks earlier
Did I hear a little Bob Does Sports reference in here?
Do they let just anybody come in and take video at these events?
There's a bowling center in Waxahachie!?
Packy stay winning regionals
Where did he sleep in his car? Yes its worth it when your a pro on tour.
Staying at the Barn's house, so no Hotel bill?
For the average player who isn't a staffer or sponsored, or financially backed by something or someone, then no. It's definitely not worth it. You can bowl plenty of tournaments on sports shots to gain experience.
But when it comes to how much you have working against you when it comes to competition, the average player has absolutely no chance over pros who can go to the trailer for a fraction of the cost and get what they need to match up. When you walk in the door with what you have and they can just go get it, you're at the very biggest disadvantage possible. It's not worth it.
What you should ask at the next regional is "Is it worth it to bowl Snowman Doubles?" 😁😁
A blast of a tournament to bowl every year and only 2 hours away 😁
Yes because you will win it all. Your sponsors don’t pay entry fees?
No they don’t, some of the best bowlers in the world get paid salaries instead and that would be factored in as to paying them more than they would ever spend in entry fees
@@TheHouseBowling I don’t understand the PBA they seem to do nothing to promote it’s players. When I watch bowling on tv you almost never see the players personalities then when I watch bowlers on UA-cam the tour is filled with great personalities fun guys. Why is the PBA not promoting this better? UA-cam shows how popular bowling is and the PBA needs to invest better in you guys it’s not fair for them to rely on self advertising. I hope they realize quickly they are squandering a chance to grow this game. Everyone I’ve got watching your videos agree as well. Bowling is on verge of blowing up PBA needs to push this forward. I know tons of nba and nfl players are huge fans the pba needs to market its stars current and ones on their way up. Keep up the amazing work. In the 8 months I’ve followed your channel you’ve changed your confidence is deservedly thru the roof. I want to see you guys as household names again. Keep up the good work.
The pba west region is heading to Hawaii next. Not drivable from the mainland so not sure that stop would be worth bowling (at least). The trip alone without the bowling already puts you deep in the hole financially (if you're coming from the mainland). But i guess if the bowling doesnt go well then you're in Hawaii at least, lol.
It would be a bunch of money but maybe worth it for the vacation!
@@TheHouseBowling need to hit two birds with one stone to be worth it: business and vacation 😉
How do you stay in shape? Eating like that what would not end well for me despite daily workouts...
At home making sure I eat well when I’m not traveling!
How do you know when you are ready to bowl in PBA regionals? Obviously, I wouldn’t want to go spend over $300-$500 to bowl in a tournament where I’m not at the level to bowl them in my mental and physical game. This is one thing I struggle with when it comes to bowling tournaments now because I have been in a tournament slump as of lately.
Focus on winning megabucks handicap tournaments first, or at least anything that resembles that.
Bowl a PBA experience league and average 193+
Is the regional how u get into the pba or how does that work?
Regionals are a great stepping stool, but national level events have PTQ “Pre tournament qualifiers”
i feel like im the only person that didnt know there were two lavery-spar's lol wow
So let's start by looking at which defined as worth it? First of all everything that you do whether it's get gas by food you have a receipt and it's getting written off your taxes second if you bowl a Pro-Am are you still making $100 or at least that's what they used to pay us when we bowled a Pro-Am when I was on tour , usually we would bowl one or two programs and then that paid for our traveling cost to get from City to City then you have to count how many bowling balls are you going to drill are you getting the bowling balls comped out or you paying cost-plus drilling fees in a long run everything you do comes down to keeping track of it writing it off your taxes in your expenses and off your winnings but the number one thing that you have to remember is your gaining experience
It's $50 for pro ams now
@@Michael-lu7xp eeeeek
@@tripswithtom the glory days are behind us
On the national tour they are still 100
Some people like myself started out bowling and still bowl because we love it! So it was always worth it and will always be depending on distance 😅