Black Powder for Self-Defense?
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- Опубліковано 23 тра 2023
- Steam locomotives were a cool thing, and they're still around to some extent as tourist attractions, but there are better ways to move trains. GUNS Magazine Editor Brent T. Wheat argues the same is true of black powder and handguns. Tune in to this episode of Gun Cranks to find out if Tom McHale and Roy Huntington agree.
Share your thoughts in the comments about using black powder for self-defense.
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I am a BP enthusiast from France. It's the only shooting I do, but I do a lot of it. I realise this is a light hearted channel but it was difficult to avoid rolling my eyes skyward and sighing as all the common prejudices against these guns again surfaced. Not to mention 3 gun experts who forgot the name of the most famous 19th century gunfighter of them all! In a country like the US, where gun ownership is common and obtaining modern guns relatively straightforward, I understand why older shooting technologies are not considered viable for defense. Here in France gun ownership is less commonplace, and although my shooting license permits me to buy a modern gun I reckon I am adept enough at using BP firearms to defend myself in the event of an intrusion. My pre-loaded and well maintained Remington pattern .44 fires everytime and with pre-loaded cylinders (which I fire off and replace without issue on a 3 monthly basis) I can reload as quickly as anyone with a modern revolver. I see no point in buying a modern revolver which would see virtually no use. Given that civilian gunfights rarely exceed 3 shots, it would not give me any appreciable advantage over what I already have. I have NEVER had a chain fire, and since I got the measure of these revolvers - how to load and lube properly etc, I have never had a misfire. In addition, Remingtons rarely get 'cap jams'. Many shooters of normal centrefire stuff tend to regard these guns either as underpowered toys, or a pipe bomb waiting to go off, and spend little time properly aquainting themselves with the discipline. In either case, people WILL get cap jams due to incorrect or ill fitting caps, or chainfires due to incorrect loading and lubing. You tube is replete with videos showing regular shooters evaluating a new BP gun and breaking almost every safety rule in the book.
Ils exagèrent. Perso je les gardent chargés plus 6 mois, ils prennent l'humidité tous les matins dans le jardin pour sécurisation maison (j'ai même les amorces qui noircissent un peu au bout d'un moment), et ça part à tous les coups quand je les vide au stand. Test perso sur planche de pin de 1,8 cm à 25 mètres avec 1g pnf2 (calibre 44 remington 1858), des trous parfaits alors autant dire que... Ah, les colt subnose 3 pouces fonctionnent très bien également en faisant des trous à 25 mettre avec juste 1grammes. Il suffit de mettre un coup de poignet à la John Wick lorsque on charge le chien et l'amorce dégage sans problème et sans risque de tomber dans le mécanisme. Je pense que ce sont des rigolos mais d'un autre côté c'est très bien cette idée reçue, ça nous arrange car nous volons sous les radars... Enfin, je pense sérieusement que dans un scénario shtf, et si je ne devais prendre qu'une seule arme, ce serait un remington 1858. Pourquoi ? Très solide, fiable et puissant. Le rechargement du Remington via un autre barillet est très rapide et avec la poudre noire et ben tu fais tout toi même. Amorces (avec le kit Sharpshooter rimfire Reloader ), les balles (au feu de camp) et la poudre noire... Totalement autonome sans avoir à courir après des munitions que tout le monde désire bien évidemment. Tu te retrouves connement à engager le combat pour courir après des munitions... Aller, bonne continuation.
Wild Bill Hickock died with those black powder revolvers in his sash! 🤠
There’s also a guy that kept his BP loaded for 2 years in a truck, pulled it out specifically to show BP is reliable on a UA-cam video. All 6 went bang.
I've left mine loaded for a couple of years and mine shot no problem at all.
guy just fired one loaded for 3 years no problem
Buffalo Bill had a Remington Model 1858 for more than 40 years. He refused to have it converted to cartridges and finally gave it to a friend with a note "it never failed me". The gun got auctioned for something close to $0.25M some 10 years ago.
Not ideal, but it goes bang and makes unwanted holes on somebody. If a black powder revolver is all I have because of legal reasons or financial reasons, it will make unwanted holes.
I'm screaming at my phone, "you were RIGHT, it's Wild Bill Hickok!!"
I've had to REALLY talk myself out of carrying my 1860 "Snubby" Bird's Head grip .44 front stuffer.
Of course I'd have a backup gun, maybe even a MODERN one?!
His proper name is James Butler Hickok. Wild Bill was a nickname.
12:55 More than six month loaded, out every morning in humid air, shoot perfectly making nice holes in 3/4 pin wood with only 15 grains of fff at 25 yards...
Folks, this is what total ignorance looks like. These "experts" demonstrate that you should not listen to "experts". Instead, go to those who can demonstrate that they know what they are doing. These guys are clueless about how these guns were actually used in the day, particularly revolvers. Such ignorance brings into question ANY expertise these "experts" claim to have.
Instead of criticizing how ignorant these guys are, how about enlightening us who are clueless about how these guns "were actually used in the day"? Im not trying to be a d*ck, I truly would like to know what i'm missing? I actually agreed with what I heard in this video.
@@benrichards3067 OK. Good Point. The "cap in the eye" experience is easily diagnosed. Nipple with too large a flash hole allowing too much back pressure, PLUS hammer nose not properly vented. Nipples with proper tiny flash holes are cheap and easy to buy, plus looking at any original cap-lock rifle will show how the hammer nose should be vented to route cap fragments away from the shooter. Been a known fact since about 1820. Many replica kits have un-vented hammers.
On the revolvers, I think it best to let independent shooters demonstrate how unreliable, inaccurate and troublesome the pesky cap and ball sixshooter can be as our "experts" tell in all their wisdom:
Here's Mark Hubbs of "Eras Gone Molds" demonstrating the original style 80 grain conical bullet in a Uberti replica of the little Colt .31 Pocket revolver. Also loaded properly with correct pistol powders as in 19th Century. As Mark accurately observes, performance level runs about like a modern 32 ACP auto pistol: ua-cam.com/video/VknxDTbw4QE/v-deo.html.
Mike Beliveau has written extensively for "Guns of the Old West" and "Combat Handguns". Mike put up this test just a day or two back of the replica Remington New Model Army .44's one by Pietta and the other by Uberti. Gives a good intro as to how the revolvers can be loaded with round ball or conical bullet, and using combustible cartridges as was common in actual 19th Century usage: ua-cam.com/video/G2ZxGXNreYM/v-deo.html
Old Ranger tests a new Uberti replica of the 1851 Colt Navy .36: ua-cam.com/video/Ra4eRY_LgU8/v-deo.html
The Colt Navy was Hickok's favored handgun. In July 1865, in the Springfield, MO town square, Hickok and Dave Tutt walked toward each other, then drew and fired at each other 75 Yards apart, firing so close together that the shots sounded as one. Tutt was facing Hickok, sideways "Duelist Style" , his right arm extended, pointing his Colt 1860 .44 at Hickok. Tutt missed. Hickok's 1851 Navy was likely loaded with a combustible cartridge, firing a conical bullet, because the projectile passed completely thru Tutt's upper chest at 75 Yards, thru both lungs and the heart, breaking the 6th ribs on right and left side, entering and exiting. These details are known because Hickok stood trial 2 weeks later, and the court transcripts still exist. Tutt's wounds were described at the trial by a Doctor, who was acting as coroner at the time.
Hickock45 is ashamed of y'all right now.
It’s not illegal for a non violent felon to Cary a black powder firearm.
I just want to mention that their is a pretty large community of guys who own and/or operate steam locomotives. I was on the fringe of that community and have run several. I find them much harder to run smoothly than the diesels I operated when i worked for a railroad. It is a more expensive 'hobby' than firearms, too.
That was MR. Bill Hickock.
Commenters are correct…Wild Bill
Chainfire can also occur due to caps ejecting from the nipple of unfired chambers and igniting from the flame of firing. Can be mitigated by using clear nail polish to paint the caps on to the nipples.
Good Gawd! I thought that I was old but you guys make me feel like a teenager! James Butler Hickok.... oh, and on a side note, Big Nose Kate didn't have a big nose. She was called that because she was always in everybody else's business. A funny thing about her was that she ran a bordello here in Prescott, AZ for many years and when it came to retirement she wanted to live in the Pioneer's Home. Unfortunately, at the time (1930s), it was only for men. So, she wrote to the governor of Arizona saying that if she wasn't allowed to retire there she'd let everyone know that he had been one of her customers. She was the first woman allowed to live in that retirement home. She died in 1940 (just before she turned 90 years old) and is buried in the Arizona Pioneers' Home Cemetery here in Prescott.
Your thoughts on having a Blunderbuss for home defense ?
Having a blunderbuss for self-defense is borderline comical to me !
It goes bang, puts large unwanted holes in things, and is better than a stick..it works 🤷♂️
The name you are looking for is James Butler "Wild Bill" Hickok, who routinely carried 2 ivory handled Colt 1851 Navy .36 cal. cap and ball revolvers. He was killed by Jack McCall at the No. 10 Saloon in Deadwood, Dakota Territory.
There is some evidence that chain fires are most often from improperly fitted caps assuming your ball is proper size. Replacing stock nipples with quality ones appears to help quite a bit with cap jams.
I think it was a old Jack Lewis story about cops going to a house where a old guy had a burglar at gun point.
He had a 44 c@b .
The cops went on at him about the gun.
He said it the only one he had. But have they even seen anything shot with a lead rd ball? That they would be surprised at the damage.
It was Bill Hickock, AKA Wild Bill. And it was in Deadwood where he was shot in the back of his head, while holding Aces over eights at the poker table.
You should try the new model Army. The old model is also pretty awesome!
A cap and ball revolver can be very accurate but there is always the black powder cartridge for use of the blessed Holy Black if you prefer. I wonder if the boom and smoke might cause the bad guy to soil his pants at least.
Yes you had it it was wild Bill Hickok.. he refuse to change over to a cartridge firing gun continue to use black powder revolvers..
when you stand at the wrong end of the gun the last thing you are thinking is oh look its a BP no problem
Rocks are smarter.
One thing that annoys me about these conversations is it's always "ball and cap" yet British bull dog is a double action 44 webley that's black powder and not a bad option in my opinion if you can't get a modern handgun for whatever reason.
Hey Brent , I want a Den like yours, shooting range!!! Good show, thanks.
Wild Bill Hickok!
No knucklehead comments. It happens to me all the time.
With typical striaght line ignitions, nipples to the powder chambers, if loaded correctly and propetly maintained, I have had virtually no chain fires, hang fires or misfires. I have been shooting all types of black powder firearms for over 50 years.
Know fl8nlocks are a bit more finicky, just takes more experience and a quality firearm.
By the way I had my hunting 50 caliber hawkin loaded for over six months and she wrnt off without a hitch. You just need to know what your doing.
Wow, i never knew Fuddlore had a channel.
Funny... but seriously, my Remington NMA 44s are reliable, accurate and deadly. Chainfires are scary but not really that dangerous, and they are always caused by incorrect operation. The chamber greasing thing is a myth. In many thousands of rounds I have never had a chain fire and never ever grease chamber mouths. Colt are more likely to get cap jams, Remingtons not so much. The .357 has more muzzle energy than a Walker.
I'd use my 1911 for preference, but I would not feel under-armed with my percussion revolvers. A 200gr bullet at over 1000fps is pretty nasty.... and I can change cylinders in about 5 seconds. Properly loaded, reliability is close to 100%. You can load a BP revolver and leave it for years and it will still function properly; I have done this experimentally. You guys are guessing.... and mostly wrong.
Caplock rifles can be dicey..... so use a flintlock... no caps... 🙂
James Butler Hickok.
Laurence of Northern Divison
I feel ashamed not to have remembered ….. Roy
Man this is a hoot, love this.
Anyone, almost anywhere is the states can buy bp arms, pre 1857ish I think. I would think they would be more common. Although they are still totally private ownership so, who knows! Is it legal to tape a laser pointer to the barrel? :) Moisture in the cap or powder must become a potential issue in storing.
North American Arms BP 22. Perfect self defense BP
Yeah it’s Wild Bill, dudes
You guys are the same as I am. Your historical recollection leaves a lot to be desired.
Still true. If it doesn’t contain a cartridge it is not a firearm.
Wild Bill Hickock
my inline never fails me nor my sawed off each use 209 primers my two 44s cap jam rare and I am very safe in my home PS I own more
Stage coaches...for coast to coast travel? 😂
While I understand that this show is supposed to be a lighthearted BS session, I expected a lighthearted BS session between three men with long experience with a wide variety of weapons, or at least enough experience to respect a particular type of weapon. This episode was a disappointment, and it's the second I've bothered to watch on this channel.
For a long time, I held a similar attitude towards Cap and Ball revolvers, as my experience was with poor quality examples that did not function properly, and it was ME that was too ignorant of the subject to know the difference.
That has changed of course. The information is out there, and one so motivated can learn quite a bit in a few weeks of research.
If one is knowledgeable about the design, has done the mechanical legwork in load development, range time, understands and mitigates the pitfalls of the design, the old revolvers can be very reliable and quite deadly.
Just like any other weapon wielded by someone that has taken it seriously and gotten their shit together.
There are several good videos by Blackie Thomas, Mike at Duelist1954, and Inrange that prove that an older gun may not be ideal in todays world, but will still kill you just as dead in the hands of a skilled person.
Our technology has turned us into spoiled fat babies, in a way, as we expect someone ELSE to sell us a reliable gun, someone ELSE to load perfect ammo for us, and someone ELSE to be responsible when our gun fails...because god forbid we have to take some ownership and develop a deep understanding of the tools we use. First world problems.
Wild bill hickock
James Butler Hickock
I know, I know …. Tom actually said it but Brent and I were being stupid that day!! Roy
Hicok wild bill
Brent, please don't disparage big rocks. I've witnessed 13 y-o Study Center lads who train with them deliver kill shots on kill dummies at fifteen yards.
Opening lines had me chuckling for quite a while. The LTC should be "Black Powder Cloud for Self Defense". Great episode
if the laws have not here black powder firearms are considered primitive weapon s.and nonfirearms.some convinced felons used to carry cap and ball revolvers.,not sure if they still can. But under rare occasions a convicted nonviolent offender under strict guidelines can.pap
This was so ignorant. People were getting killed left and right by these type of guns. I saw this dude with a 44 cal snub nose shoot a dummy head with fake brains and it literally blew it to pieces. There's no way you're surviving one of these with about 30 grains especially if the guy practices with it.
Because you gentlemen honestly do not know how to run them does not make the effective. Those type of firearms have been used to great effect to stop threats for centuries. Yes they have quirks and you must learn them, but they are no toy and are effective.
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These so called expert's are so biased and wrong about this subject. I bet these guys are big fans of high points. I will never watch another episode. What a bunch of self indulgent losers. So disappointed in their ideas on black powder weapons.
Wild Bill Hickock