Which Primitive Glue Is Best? #2: Wheatpaste Glue
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2023
- Glue is incredibly useful for a lot of different projects, but what did they use back before modern glue? In this series, I explain how adhesives were made in ancient times and find out which one works best.
In the second episode of this series, I make wheat glue. How well does it work? Which one is best? Find out in video five of this #howtomakeeverything #shorts series!
One positive attribute for the slower children is that it's edible.
Instructions unclear....i fed multiple children my wood
@@TojiFushigoroWasTaken your wood? Calls FBI
@@TojiFushigoroWasTaken 😨
No it’s not
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Don't forget that many glues actually REQUIRE compression as it cures in order to reach maximum efficacy. So doing the test both with just gravity AND with compression may yield different results!
yea he did it, just not on video
I remember using wheat paste in school when I was a kid. It is interesting to have lived in a number of transitions in technology. Surprisingly the wheat paste went out in the nineteen seventies.
I used it once woth my dad when I had some homework for the other day and found out we had ran out of regular glue
In my country we use Cassava flour instead
My grandma told me, she used that kind of glue to seal the windows. Lasted for one winter. She is a Russian born German. In her youth she lived in Siberia and resources were scarce
my mom did it for me when I said that i needed a glue for my homework too late at night and all the stores had been already closed :)
A good thing to remember when you’re gluing two pieces of wood together is to make sure that the two glued faces are recently cut. Otherwise the pores in the wood will actually close and not allow the glue to properly permeate
Wheat paste is great for paper mache if you’re careful about the storage of it and the curing of the work, the medieval French even used it to build up mache layers into small affordable furniture
Paste glue is highly susceptible to insect attack, mould, and changes in humidity. Hide glue similarly for the bugs but not quite as bad. Pitch doesn't get as many bugs or mould but is easily softened by temperature. So uh, they all work, if you had nothing else, choose by what you need it for and what you more want it to resist.
Yep. No such thing as a universal “best”. Only best for a particular application. Sometimes an option you’d never consider using in 99.9% of cases is just the trick for a weird niche application!
@@bridgetshepherd5202 spit will stick paper to the wall temporarily. Although I suppose post-it notes are a more germ safe option. I think that was an accidental glue discovery. They were after the silver off film or something.
I use this flour paste to make paint, just add dry clay powder and done, I used it for my workshop, you can add ash or coal powder if you have white clay, to make some nice gray tones :)
Final Testing video: ua-cam.com/users/shortsF0IYNHydscE
Pt 1 - Caveman Glue: ua-cam.com/users/shorts4WVgYCLMNUI
Pt 2 - Wheatpaste Glue: ua-cam.com/users/shorts4PTUOjNdSwU
Pt 3 - Casein Glue: ua-cam.com/users/shortsJKpeIRqqs0w
Pt 4 - Hide Glue: ua-cam.com/users/shortsoVF1Hvd0Zn0
You should scratch the wood first so the glue can bond to the wood a lot better
FWIW some glues like a bit of compression/clamping (modern PVA glues are one of those) to make a better bond. One of hide glue's (looked like you're making some) advantages is the 'rub joint' which doesn't need any to make a very workable bond within a few minutes that gets even stronger after a day or so. Might be worth repeating your testing with a weight over each glue to see if things change around a bit (if you're not doing so already).
I actually put a heavy rock of all the glues while they dried, just didn’t film it on the first couple, it’ll probably show up in the last ones
@@htme Awesome to hear, keep up the great work. Your woodworking skills have really improved too. The M&T joints from the lathe video looked really decent. Looks like with your current kit and some draw-boring of the joints you could make a seriously heavy-duty workbench if you need one down the road.
I was thinking of clamping each piece with the ratcheting clamps all set to the same pressure for consistency's sake
Chemistry might also be important. That's why lime is used for binding stone in concrete. The basicity causes the molecules in the rock to bind together.
that is not at all how it works but okay buddy
I'd definitely watch a longer form video that shows all the glues and includes more information!
Definitely understand the cutting it up for shorts though, this is definitely one if those shorts I expected to see a longer form video already available for, was surprised to see there isn't one!
My thoughts exactly
We used oatmeal glue in the USMC for pasting targets to boards.
I have heard this being used a lot for woodworking/ furniture projects such as kitchen cabinets by my grandparents. Theirs looked very different and held much stronger. I believe it was not cooked. There is certainly another recipe to this that might be worth looking into.
Glad to have learned about wheat and all its diffrent "species" etc. Gluten is some goooooood adhesive
I've made this wheat glue myself when I was in school and ran out of glue in the middle of a project, its really good adhesive tbh.
Just a heads up that roaches love this stuff. They used to use this for wallpaper in I think Tudor or Elizabethan times and people would write about the walls rippling from the hoards of insects.
Ugh, you just had to say it and force me to imagine it. I spent a year and a half in Florida, and I will never spend another moment in the south again, at least 40% because of roaches.
@@ledumpsterfire6474 Yeah, here in NC roaches and other bugs are inescapable. When I bike to work in warm months I'm always covered in bugs. I have to take a shower at least twice a day and I'm always paranoid of ticks. I spent a month in Florida and it was a million times worse though.
@@asahearts1 I had no idea how bad bugs could be. I'm a Montana native where we literally don't have bugs 3-5 months out of the year, because we're apt to have freezes, sometimes all the way down to -40°F or lower, at any point in colder months.
In Florida, we quickly learned to use critter warfare on them. We would catch some of the giant huntsman spiders and let them loose in the house, and leave the ones who made their own way in alone. Actually worked out really well. Went from seeing several living cockroaches per day to seeing mostly dead, dessicated ones that had become meals.
Here to leave a small complaint about your scythe technique.
I grew up in a village and both my father and my grandfather used scythes. Propper technique make a huge difference.
I only took a short glance at the way you do it and it looked a bit off. I could be mistaken since I only saw one or two seconds of it, but you seem to try and cut a lot with each swing.
The first trick is to cut just a little bit and move faster. The second trick is to advance in a straight line, little by little, by moving in the direction your feet are pointing.
We used to use rice paste in India and Africa.... This was in the 90s as well because I grew up in a small village.
Love the concept for this channel, just wish it was more scientific in the approach. Have you guys considered expanding the team? (Some people with more of a background in engineering/chemistry, someone to explain scientific concepts or design animations to go along with them) You guys could be an enormous channel!
Great ! Very important stuff!
If you bake corn starch you can make dextrin, which is a very powerful binder.
When i was in school probably around 2016 we still used wheat glue for paper mache projects because its cheaper then pva in nz
thanks for actually doing a follow-up!:)
This is actually a great glue to use in some bookbinding! Though the kind I know is made of modern flour so it’s a lot smoother
Well, this is interesting, but where is the full video?
Great short!
Can't wait to see the full video
In Ukraine we used to use more potato starch glue, garlick juise (more fore glass and also glue made from dried cherry sap, it wood be collected and then just mixed in boiling water
Looking forward to the others!
Didn’t know you were a member of the wheatpaste brotherhood!
In my country mexico they use this alot specially when making cheap piñatas and alot of early level school put this project of making piñatas with “engrudo” which is how its called
Cool project, can't wait for the results
Ooooh, I've been MadScientisting glues for a couple years👍🏻
Is there a full length video for this concep? I can’t find it on the channel
this reminds me of the rice glue i used as a kid for a paper project
They do something like this to hold cardboard boxes together it basically welds the cardboard together with starch and water they dont use actual glue
Really fun watching the first ten seconds of the video 5 times
I think it would be a better test if clamped. Most glues work better under pressure.
My grandfather hung wallpaper in the 1940's and 50's. He used this for wallpaper paste.
My mother had a big enamel pot with a hole in it. She fixed it with rye paste.
More videos for the finished video
You need to do tests with clamping down and without. Depending on the glue they may need the pressure to go to their true strength.
I think the sap one will be the best. it sticks to my cloths really well.
I'm no expert, just something that popped in my head. Is it possible that some of those glues would have a stronger bond on different materials? Like, a glue that isn't as strong on wood would be stronger on another material. Stronger than the glue that won on wood?
I only ask because there's already different kinds of glue for different applications today.
Should try gum and sticky tack as a control 😅
For some reason I read the title as which glue tastes best...
Full length video where?
wallpaper paste? Seems like a glue that is actually quite easy to source and make. I'm interested to see how well it holds up in comparison
Wallpaper past is methyle cellulose most of the time, but sometimes, starch is used - so it's pretty much the same.
this is what my father made for me as a child....
My mom never bought glue for envelops and such and would just take one grain of cooked rice and use it instead
I learned to use rice as glue for paper crafts bc of her
We used to make piñatas with this when I was a kid.
Wasn’t to this extent tho.
There's this one video about making a classical guitar where the guy uses animal based Hyde glue and said it's been used for 5000 years and that's the only endorsement he needed so I'm guessing that will be the winner
Odd me but Im salivating watchin the wheat glue
I remember Flies made from egg and flour or milk and flour
Could you try melting wood
You put it ina egg shell or somthing similar like a pot or somthing with the pot upside down and burn it To snuff out all the oxeygen and then it will start forming into a mixture of tar like junk
WHERES THE FULL VIDEO?!
I hope you compare them to modern glue
Did your lids get stuck?
Is this going to be a video video? I prefer long form
We used to add salt so it wouldn't mold
I'm slightly surprised that the wheat paste held at all, to be honest.
The problem with this is regular wood glue is already considered one of the strongest glues, the glue never fails before the wood does makes a stronger bond than the bonds in the wood. I highly doubt it will even compare I mean you don't go to the hardware store to buy wheat glue, as far as I know anyway so why even compare them? You already know the wood glue is better.
I think you are mistaken. He's not comparing regular wood glue to wheat glue, but to other old glue recipes.
This short is part of a three part series. For reference, the first glue was called "caveman glue".
This is so interesting
Can't wait to see the final outcome, whats next, maybe bone glue?
Me and my tia make pinatas with this type of glue with torn up newspapers and balloons!
People doubting this never had to clean a day old pot of porridge
Engrudo, still in use to make piñatas nowadays.
GLUTEN? No pun intended.
I wonder if you could do this with the why were you have at home probably not but it's pretty cool that you can just take some grass and boil it's to get a glue
Whole wheat flour and water, plus newspaper, were what I used for papier mache in grade school
Omg 😮I used this glue to make piñatas with my mom when i was little
thats the glue ya use for street art
You should try egg whites as well
Nasty story bit
My teacher told us a story, that when her family was living in poverty, she remembered seeing the walls move.
There were cockroaches behind the wallpaper, eating the flour.
We still use this
Fish scale glue.
What about tree sap?
a simple wall paper paste.
Water works as glue in very cold temperatures.
I need the last glue pls I beg
Wheat paste brotherhood
Interesting
Engrudo art attack
Hey for bidding Kaye's sauce
Just make one video and put the link in a pinned comment. Dammit shorts be ruining youtube, I can barely a search a for a video within a channel.
but which is the best to sniff ? 🤔🤔🤔
Adding comment to help
Unflavored gelatin makes a good glue.
Cook that and you got a Porota 🍽️
The thumbnail looks like he wants to eat it
This glue gets moldy though
... you know what really sticks? mushrooms! i think you could glue glass to glass with a piece of mushroom...
Man is that wheatpaste! I eat it raw.
Where’s the rest????? I used rawhide glue for my knives for years. Had an 8 year old try to destroy it, he brought it back out of breath Lol after that, I stuck with rawhide!! Plus it doesn’t take all that nonsense with harvesting and so forth haha
Tree sap is best
So in other words, paper machete. I can say 1st hand this is a terrible idea, because the high school where we did our paper mache in our class had mice and the mice devoured my paper machete in the locker
The rubbed a horse on it
Why bother when my body already makes glue?
First thought, tar.