Which Primitive Glue Is Best? #2: Wheatpaste Glue

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  • Опубліковано 7 лют 2023
  • Glue is incredibly useful for a lot of different projects, but what did they use back before modern glue? In this series, I explain how adhesives were made in ancient times and find out which one works best.
    In the second episode of this series, I make wheat glue. How well does it work? Which one is best? Find out in video five of this #howtomakeeverything #shorts series!

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  • @Craptacular77
    @Craptacular77 Рік тому +778

    One positive attribute for the slower children is that it's edible.

  • @ValhallaIronworks
    @ValhallaIronworks Рік тому +265

    Don't forget that many glues actually REQUIRE compression as it cures in order to reach maximum efficacy. So doing the test both with just gravity AND with compression may yield different results!

    • @maruftim
      @maruftim Рік тому +8

      yea he did it, just not on video

  • @ryandavis7593
    @ryandavis7593 Рік тому +282

    I remember using wheat paste in school when I was a kid. It is interesting to have lived in a number of transitions in technology. Surprisingly the wheat paste went out in the nineteen seventies.

    • @pedroff_1
      @pedroff_1 Рік тому +9

      I used it once woth my dad when I had some homework for the other day and found out we had ran out of regular glue

    • @leobuana7430
      @leobuana7430 Рік тому

      In my country we use Cassava flour instead

  • @AlisaScholl
    @AlisaScholl Рік тому +75

    My grandma told me, she used that kind of glue to seal the windows. Lasted for one winter. She is a Russian born German. In her youth she lived in Siberia and resources were scarce

    • @Kagamishoshi
      @Kagamishoshi Рік тому +13

      my mom did it for me when I said that i needed a glue for my homework too late at night and all the stores had been already closed :)

  • @EnventProductions
    @EnventProductions Рік тому +23

    A good thing to remember when you’re gluing two pieces of wood together is to make sure that the two glued faces are recently cut. Otherwise the pores in the wood will actually close and not allow the glue to properly permeate

  • @FardenedSteel
    @FardenedSteel Рік тому +25

    Wheat paste is great for paper mache if you’re careful about the storage of it and the curing of the work, the medieval French even used it to build up mache layers into small affordable furniture

  • @benjaminzedrine
    @benjaminzedrine Рік тому +6

    Paste glue is highly susceptible to insect attack, mould, and changes in humidity. Hide glue similarly for the bugs but not quite as bad. Pitch doesn't get as many bugs or mould but is easily softened by temperature. So uh, they all work, if you had nothing else, choose by what you need it for and what you more want it to resist.

    • @bridgetshepherd5202
      @bridgetshepherd5202 Рік тому +1

      Yep. No such thing as a universal “best”. Only best for a particular application. Sometimes an option you’d never consider using in 99.9% of cases is just the trick for a weird niche application!

    • @benjaminzedrine
      @benjaminzedrine Рік тому

      @@bridgetshepherd5202 spit will stick paper to the wall temporarily. Although I suppose post-it notes are a more germ safe option. I think that was an accidental glue discovery. They were after the silver off film or something.

  • @yee2867
    @yee2867 Рік тому +4

    I use this flour paste to make paint, just add dry clay powder and done, I used it for my workshop, you can add ash or coal powder if you have white clay, to make some nice gray tones :)

  • @htme
    @htme  Рік тому

    Final Testing video: ua-cam.com/users/shortsF0IYNHydscE
    Pt 1 - Caveman Glue: ua-cam.com/users/shorts4WVgYCLMNUI
    Pt 2 - Wheatpaste Glue: ua-cam.com/users/shorts4PTUOjNdSwU
    Pt 3 - Casein Glue: ua-cam.com/users/shortsJKpeIRqqs0w
    Pt 4 - Hide Glue: ua-cam.com/users/shortsoVF1Hvd0Zn0

  • @ac9356
    @ac9356 Рік тому +12

    You should scratch the wood first so the glue can bond to the wood a lot better

  • @omegaflameZ
    @omegaflameZ Рік тому +38

    FWIW some glues like a bit of compression/clamping (modern PVA glues are one of those) to make a better bond. One of hide glue's (looked like you're making some) advantages is the 'rub joint' which doesn't need any to make a very workable bond within a few minutes that gets even stronger after a day or so. Might be worth repeating your testing with a weight over each glue to see if things change around a bit (if you're not doing so already).

    • @htme
      @htme  Рік тому +32

      I actually put a heavy rock of all the glues while they dried, just didn’t film it on the first couple, it’ll probably show up in the last ones

    • @omegaflameZ
      @omegaflameZ Рік тому +6

      @@htme Awesome to hear, keep up the great work. Your woodworking skills have really improved too. The M&T joints from the lathe video looked really decent. Looks like with your current kit and some draw-boring of the joints you could make a seriously heavy-duty workbench if you need one down the road.

    • @datboi__
      @datboi__ Рік тому

      I was thinking of clamping each piece with the ratcheting clamps all set to the same pressure for consistency's sake

  • @shatterthemirror8563
    @shatterthemirror8563 Рік тому +13

    Chemistry might also be important. That's why lime is used for binding stone in concrete. The basicity causes the molecules in the rock to bind together.

    • @bruhmania7359
      @bruhmania7359 8 місяців тому

      that is not at all how it works but okay buddy

  • @Laxora_NZ
    @Laxora_NZ Рік тому +10

    I'd definitely watch a longer form video that shows all the glues and includes more information!
    Definitely understand the cutting it up for shorts though, this is definitely one if those shorts I expected to see a longer form video already available for, was surprised to see there isn't one!

    • @datboi__
      @datboi__ Рік тому

      My thoughts exactly

  • @kindredsoul79
    @kindredsoul79 Рік тому +2

    We used oatmeal glue in the USMC for pasting targets to boards.

  • @JJ00058
    @JJ00058 Рік тому

    I have heard this being used a lot for woodworking/ furniture projects such as kitchen cabinets by my grandparents. Theirs looked very different and held much stronger. I believe it was not cooked. There is certainly another recipe to this that might be worth looking into.

  • @ToxicMothBoi
    @ToxicMothBoi Рік тому +1

    Glad to have learned about wheat and all its diffrent "species" etc. Gluten is some goooooood adhesive

  • @gsharpmusic4540
    @gsharpmusic4540 Рік тому

    I've made this wheat glue myself when I was in school and ran out of glue in the middle of a project, its really good adhesive tbh.

  • @asahearts1
    @asahearts1 Рік тому +2

    Just a heads up that roaches love this stuff. They used to use this for wallpaper in I think Tudor or Elizabethan times and people would write about the walls rippling from the hoards of insects.

    • @ledumpsterfire6474
      @ledumpsterfire6474 Рік тому +1

      Ugh, you just had to say it and force me to imagine it. I spent a year and a half in Florida, and I will never spend another moment in the south again, at least 40% because of roaches.

    • @asahearts1
      @asahearts1 Рік тому +1

      @@ledumpsterfire6474 Yeah, here in NC roaches and other bugs are inescapable. When I bike to work in warm months I'm always covered in bugs. I have to take a shower at least twice a day and I'm always paranoid of ticks. I spent a month in Florida and it was a million times worse though.

    • @ledumpsterfire6474
      @ledumpsterfire6474 Рік тому +1

      @@asahearts1 I had no idea how bad bugs could be. I'm a Montana native where we literally don't have bugs 3-5 months out of the year, because we're apt to have freezes, sometimes all the way down to -40°F or lower, at any point in colder months.
      In Florida, we quickly learned to use critter warfare on them. We would catch some of the giant huntsman spiders and let them loose in the house, and leave the ones who made their own way in alone. Actually worked out really well. Went from seeing several living cockroaches per day to seeing mostly dead, dessicated ones that had become meals.

  • @TUDORMARCU16
    @TUDORMARCU16 Рік тому

    Here to leave a small complaint about your scythe technique.
    I grew up in a village and both my father and my grandfather used scythes. Propper technique make a huge difference.
    I only took a short glance at the way you do it and it looked a bit off. I could be mistaken since I only saw one or two seconds of it, but you seem to try and cut a lot with each swing.
    The first trick is to cut just a little bit and move faster. The second trick is to advance in a straight line, little by little, by moving in the direction your feet are pointing.

  • @rageagainstthewashingmachi2877

    We used to use rice paste in India and Africa.... This was in the 90s as well because I grew up in a small village.

  • @luke5381
    @luke5381 Рік тому

    Love the concept for this channel, just wish it was more scientific in the approach. Have you guys considered expanding the team? (Some people with more of a background in engineering/chemistry, someone to explain scientific concepts or design animations to go along with them) You guys could be an enormous channel!

  • @cristianpopescu78
    @cristianpopescu78 Рік тому

    Great ! Very important stuff!

  • @poptartmcjelly7054
    @poptartmcjelly7054 Рік тому

    If you bake corn starch you can make dextrin, which is a very powerful binder.

  • @kiwibushblock2564
    @kiwibushblock2564 Рік тому

    When i was in school probably around 2016 we still used wheat glue for paper mache projects because its cheaper then pva in nz

  • @atefxf
    @atefxf Рік тому

    thanks for actually doing a follow-up!:)

  • @samdearing970
    @samdearing970 Рік тому

    This is actually a great glue to use in some bookbinding! Though the kind I know is made of modern flour so it’s a lot smoother

  • @davidbliss8352
    @davidbliss8352 Рік тому

    Well, this is interesting, but where is the full video?

  • @dim1723
    @dim1723 Рік тому

    Great short!

  • @Captaraknospider
    @Captaraknospider Рік тому

    Can't wait to see the full video

  • @helga1226
    @helga1226 Рік тому

    In Ukraine we used to use more potato starch glue, garlick juise (more fore glass and also glue made from dried cherry sap, it wood be collected and then just mixed in boiling water

  • @dim1723
    @dim1723 Рік тому

    Looking forward to the others!

  • @DaKoRnMaN
    @DaKoRnMaN Рік тому +1

    Didn’t know you were a member of the wheatpaste brotherhood!

  • @zonadorida3561
    @zonadorida3561 Рік тому

    In my country mexico they use this alot specially when making cheap piñatas and alot of early level school put this project of making piñatas with “engrudo” which is how its called

  • @Enchantaire
    @Enchantaire Рік тому

    Cool project, can't wait for the results

  • @SnarkNSass
    @SnarkNSass Рік тому

    Ooooh, I've been MadScientisting glues for a couple years👍🏻

  • @wendyev310
    @wendyev310 Рік тому +1

    Is there a full length video for this concep? I can’t find it on the channel

  • @lndcruz721
    @lndcruz721 Рік тому

    this reminds me of the rice glue i used as a kid for a paper project

  • @kailebcooke3193
    @kailebcooke3193 Рік тому

    They do something like this to hold cardboard boxes together it basically welds the cardboard together with starch and water they dont use actual glue

  • @FischerKelTath
    @FischerKelTath Рік тому

    Really fun watching the first ten seconds of the video 5 times

  • @garetkonigsfeld2
    @garetkonigsfeld2 Рік тому

    I think it would be a better test if clamped. Most glues work better under pressure.

  • @ManJunk269
    @ManJunk269 Рік тому

    My grandfather hung wallpaper in the 1940's and 50's. He used this for wallpaper paste.

  • @williamgallop9425
    @williamgallop9425 Рік тому

    My mother had a big enamel pot with a hole in it. She fixed it with rye paste.

  • @davidvodka6932
    @davidvodka6932 Рік тому

    More videos for the finished video

  • @Enkelados1
    @Enkelados1 Рік тому

    You need to do tests with clamping down and without. Depending on the glue they may need the pressure to go to their true strength.

  • @4729Punisher
    @4729Punisher Рік тому

    I think the sap one will be the best. it sticks to my cloths really well.

  • @ttp513
    @ttp513 Рік тому

    I'm no expert, just something that popped in my head. Is it possible that some of those glues would have a stronger bond on different materials? Like, a glue that isn't as strong on wood would be stronger on another material. Stronger than the glue that won on wood?
    I only ask because there's already different kinds of glue for different applications today.

  • @glutenfreeegaming8747
    @glutenfreeegaming8747 Рік тому

    Should try gum and sticky tack as a control 😅

  • @HildeTheOkayish
    @HildeTheOkayish Рік тому

    For some reason I read the title as which glue tastes best...

  • @SpiralPowerGaming
    @SpiralPowerGaming Рік тому

    Full length video where?

  • @ListersHatsune
    @ListersHatsune Рік тому

    wallpaper paste? Seems like a glue that is actually quite easy to source and make. I'm interested to see how well it holds up in comparison

    • @jakobklee2800
      @jakobklee2800 Рік тому

      Wallpaper past is methyle cellulose most of the time, but sometimes, starch is used - so it's pretty much the same.

  • @aninditabhaumik6844
    @aninditabhaumik6844 Рік тому

    this is what my father made for me as a child....

  • @AnomalousAnonymousMouse
    @AnomalousAnonymousMouse Рік тому

    My mom never bought glue for envelops and such and would just take one grain of cooked rice and use it instead
    I learned to use rice as glue for paper crafts bc of her

  • @ccortez392
    @ccortez392 Рік тому

    We used to make piñatas with this when I was a kid.

    • @ccortez392
      @ccortez392 Рік тому

      Wasn’t to this extent tho.

  • @fclp67
    @fclp67 Рік тому

    There's this one video about making a classical guitar where the guy uses animal based Hyde glue and said it's been used for 5000 years and that's the only endorsement he needed so I'm guessing that will be the winner

  • @silversend5115
    @silversend5115 Рік тому

    Odd me but Im salivating watchin the wheat glue

  • @dawlben2247
    @dawlben2247 Рік тому

    I remember Flies made from egg and flour or milk and flour

  • @killerkirby366
    @killerkirby366 Рік тому

    Could you try melting wood
    You put it ina egg shell or somthing similar like a pot or somthing with the pot upside down and burn it To snuff out all the oxeygen and then it will start forming into a mixture of tar like junk

  • @TBNK007
    @TBNK007 Рік тому

    WHERES THE FULL VIDEO?!

  • @sirduck7457
    @sirduck7457 Рік тому

    I hope you compare them to modern glue

  • @Ronnie.13
    @Ronnie.13 Рік тому

    Did your lids get stuck?

  • @tortadedisrespect
    @tortadedisrespect Рік тому

    Is this going to be a video video? I prefer long form

  • @robertbolding4182
    @robertbolding4182 Рік тому

    We used to add salt so it wouldn't mold

  • @dj1NM3
    @dj1NM3 Рік тому

    I'm slightly surprised that the wheat paste held at all, to be honest.

  • @Zethro210
    @Zethro210 Рік тому

    The problem with this is regular wood glue is already considered one of the strongest glues, the glue never fails before the wood does makes a stronger bond than the bonds in the wood. I highly doubt it will even compare I mean you don't go to the hardware store to buy wheat glue, as far as I know anyway so why even compare them? You already know the wood glue is better.

    • @TUDORMARCU16
      @TUDORMARCU16 Рік тому +1

      I think you are mistaken. He's not comparing regular wood glue to wheat glue, but to other old glue recipes.
      This short is part of a three part series. For reference, the first glue was called "caveman glue".

  • @river6448
    @river6448 Рік тому

    This is so interesting

  • @danielmeehan6318
    @danielmeehan6318 Рік тому

    Can't wait to see the final outcome, whats next, maybe bone glue?

  • @Jo..
    @Jo.. Рік тому

    Me and my tia make pinatas with this type of glue with torn up newspapers and balloons!

  • @nobodynever4326
    @nobodynever4326 Рік тому

    People doubting this never had to clean a day old pot of porridge

  • @alfonsopena4421
    @alfonsopena4421 Рік тому

    Engrudo, still in use to make piñatas nowadays.

  • @shannonlandre4442
    @shannonlandre4442 Рік тому

    GLUTEN? No pun intended.

  • @calebburrows5224
    @calebburrows5224 Рік тому

    I wonder if you could do this with the why were you have at home probably not but it's pretty cool that you can just take some grass and boil it's to get a glue

    • @tantamounted
      @tantamounted Рік тому

      Whole wheat flour and water, plus newspaper, were what I used for papier mache in grade school

  • @-QueenSlay-
    @-QueenSlay- Рік тому

    Omg 😮I used this glue to make piñatas with my mom when i was little

  • @SmitzPNK
    @SmitzPNK Рік тому

    thats the glue ya use for street art

  • @true_neutral3378
    @true_neutral3378 Рік тому

    You should try egg whites as well

  • @peculiar_wood
    @peculiar_wood Рік тому

    Nasty story bit
    My teacher told us a story, that when her family was living in poverty, she remembered seeing the walls move.
    There were cockroaches behind the wallpaper, eating the flour.

  • @moco8721
    @moco8721 Рік тому

    We still use this

  • @animesavedmylife3648
    @animesavedmylife3648 10 місяців тому

    Fish scale glue.

  • @1.4142
    @1.4142 Рік тому

    What about tree sap?

  • @georgeb.wolffsohn30
    @georgeb.wolffsohn30 9 місяців тому

    a simple wall paper paste.

  • @tru_710
    @tru_710 Рік тому

    Water works as glue in very cold temperatures.

  • @abbycool9218
    @abbycool9218 Рік тому

    I need the last glue pls I beg

  • @justXDaC
    @justXDaC Рік тому

    Wheat paste brotherhood

  • @tomevans4402
    @tomevans4402 Рік тому

    Interesting

  • @adler_dot
    @adler_dot Рік тому

    Engrudo art attack

  • @asherhepford7446
    @asherhepford7446 Рік тому

    Hey for bidding Kaye's sauce

  • @MazdaRX7007
    @MazdaRX7007 Рік тому

    Just make one video and put the link in a pinned comment. Dammit shorts be ruining youtube, I can barely a search a for a video within a channel.

  • @iaw7406
    @iaw7406 Рік тому +1

    but which is the best to sniff ? 🤔🤔🤔

  • @dim1723
    @dim1723 Рік тому

    Adding comment to help

  • @robertbolding4182
    @robertbolding4182 Рік тому

    Unflavored gelatin makes a good glue.

  • @_The_Phantom
    @_The_Phantom Рік тому

    Cook that and you got a Porota 🍽️

  • @ThevenimX
    @ThevenimX Рік тому

    The thumbnail looks like he wants to eat it

  • @FletcherHillier
    @FletcherHillier Рік тому

    This glue gets moldy though

  • @tylerufen
    @tylerufen Рік тому

    ... you know what really sticks? mushrooms! i think you could glue glass to glass with a piece of mushroom...

  • @dereko4471
    @dereko4471 Рік тому

    Man is that wheatpaste! I eat it raw.

  • @joshmajor8662
    @joshmajor8662 Рік тому

    Where’s the rest????? I used rawhide glue for my knives for years. Had an 8 year old try to destroy it, he brought it back out of breath Lol after that, I stuck with rawhide!! Plus it doesn’t take all that nonsense with harvesting and so forth haha

  • @grandwizard9088
    @grandwizard9088 Рік тому

    Tree sap is best

  • @henmich
    @henmich Рік тому

    So in other words, paper machete. I can say 1st hand this is a terrible idea, because the high school where we did our paper mache in our class had mice and the mice devoured my paper machete in the locker

  • @JeffyLube
    @JeffyLube Рік тому

    The rubbed a horse on it

  • @datboigroovin8200
    @datboigroovin8200 Рік тому

    Why bother when my body already makes glue?

  • @kakashihatake313
    @kakashihatake313 Рік тому

    First thought, tar.