Following a recent severe non motorcycling related accident I'm very afraid to expose myself to the risk of more fractures so I too wear the Helite Turtle 2 airvest on road on all occasions. Thank you for your very useful videos supporting this exceptional product.
Thank you very much Luthor - I wished I was wearing this vest when I crashed with a mountain bike last year 😉 it would have greatly reduced the injuries I took away- ride safe 👍
I have the tethered one, and I already activated it twice, forgot that I was tethered and BAM! :))) 1 more time left then send it to Helite for checking, they are awesome!
Right on! Same here - I hope I will never need it but it is good to know that the electronics seem to work quite well and it is so incredibly fast too - the airbag was fully inflated before the wheels touched the ground again (as far as I can tell at least).
As you may remember I bought the mechanical version And wear it on big rides On my way back from Normandy the other month I met a fella from Belgium 🇧🇪 on the euro tunnel He said that I was the only other person that he had seen with one on He said his one saved his life when a motorist pulled out on him The ambulance man said that it saved his life and he was a very lucky guy to have it on I obviously hope that I never put it to the test Stay safe my friend 👍🏻👻🙏🏻
same here I hope I will never need it like that - the airbag vest is the second most important safety gear right after the crash helmet in my opinion - at least for all the vital organs ;-)
Thanks Oliver for your offroading insights with the vest. From what I saw in the release sequence you did that little jump with round about 50km/h. I would say the vest worked pretty well for what it was designed for. At such a speed you (or a G-Force sensor) would not expect such impacts unless its a crash while street riding. In any case better one release more than one too less. Maybe in future these vests also get an offroad/enduro mode with different release settings. What about wearing a neck brace while offroading?
I absolutely agree -the vest did exactly what is was supposed to do. I am surprised I got that far into the trip. I started to forget I even had it on. If I am in the enduro park I have a completly separate set of armor and a Leatt neckbrace. It allows me to wear a jersey when it gets hot like shown in this video ua-cam.com/video/ecfPx5g0ZSw/v-deo.html As I usally travel quite a bit when I go off-road touring I do not want to bring 2 sets of armor to keep the luggage light. Also, the neckbrace does not work with the jacket I have - should have thought of that before I bought it ;-)
Good information. I have the very same and see more and more people wearing it. I can see this vest mandatory for all riders in couple years (bc when you see people riding a bike with no gear except helmet it's just a nonsense).
It seems to be catching on but slowly - I am not really into making safety gear mandatory though. There might be other equipment better suited for a particular rider and there so many other factors that influence a rider's safety - gear is just your last resort safety net if everything else failed 😉
Very interessting idea to combine the two! Especially since the Dainese airbag does not provide the neckbrace functionality. So, do you ride dirt tracks with this combination? How is your experience?
It fits perfectly, I can turn my head in any direction. Tried it also while standing and it feels good. I did not use it in real life, thankfully, and not keen on making this experience 😅. But I can imagine that while the Airbag deploys, it will also stabilize the neckbrace, or bring it into the right position to protect the head as it should. Would recommend it..
@@MotoVibes ja, auch mit etwas springen… was man halt ohne schlechtes Gewissen mit der dicken Kuh machen kann… bis jetzt hat sie nur beim stürzen ausgelöst…
I will watch it later, but wanted to tell you that your choice of topics is spot on. Recently I was wondering how will my Eturtle perform on ACT Spain and if I shall wear it there or not.
Thanks really helpful, was really helpful, would love to get helite, but seems as im doing adventure riding i need to wait a product more suitable for it, not sure about klim after fortnine
I have had the Klim vest all of last season and it is currently the best airbag for adventure riding- it can get a bit warm when riding in warm conditions but I will keep the Klim airbag for now ua-cam.com/video/vJo_gBnBd2I/v-deo.html btw I love F9 content but i do not agree with Ryan’s assessment on electronic airbag vests - I have had the airbag vests until now and the electronic airbag vests are definitely the way to go in my opinion 😉
@@MotoVibes Saw the video, but there seems to be a lot of issues with subscription, paying for modes and repackaging after crash and closest klim store is like 300+ km away
@@burkaanc not really. You can get the airbag ready to go in 2 min if you bring an extra cartridge. Just like for the Helite vest. I have crashed with the Klim at low speeds and it did not falsely deploy just as it should in „adventure“ mode but I have the replacement cartridge with me just in case
I opted for the subscription which I can convert into a full purchase after 3 years. In the end it comes out to about the same costs as buying a Helite vest
@@MotoVibes I am still weighing my options, but was very close to getting the Klim a while back. At first I thought I'd prefer under the jacket, but now I am coming around to outside. For one thing, I have a Klim Latitude and it fits me well. Not too baggy, not too tight and I think the vest under would feel constricting. With the Helite, it is easy enough to take the vest off if on a longer break but still keep my jacket on if I want to. Also, when I was about to pull the trigger on the klim, canisters were sold out everywhere. Seem to be in stock now though. If I go with the Helite I am still trying to decide between tethered or electronic...
I so enjoy your videos! I was not aware Helite had a e-Turtle. Mine is a mechanical. The tether is kind of a pain.. I turned my best friend riding partner on to your videos. He a Eye Dr in Seattle thats been to Europe many times to ride. He has a Dirt bike in Baja and goes there four times a year to ride. He and three others go on Riding camping trips into Oregon and Northern California once a year for 5 to 8 days. There are many great roads and little law enforcement.
Thank you very much 😉 I heard of Baja from friends in California- they have been trying to get me there some say 😉 maybe one of these days but it’s quite far and expensive for me. The Klim airbag is better for light off-road riding. Video is coming in 6 hours 😉
Although the mechanical version can also fully inflate well below the 80ms. time, I just wonder the merits of electronic version for off-road rinding. Get offs like your West Alps trip, would almost certainly trigger the airbag. The mechanical version ( lanyard ) might be more practical. You would have to disconnect the lanyard in those sketchy hillclimbs or steep descents. In general it would seem the mechanical version of airbag would be more practical for off-roading. No battery to charge every night and zero change of false trigger. Using a field serviceable CO2 canister is the way to go. To me the subscription models / annual plan and non-field serviceable Argon canisters are nonstarter. Great video.
Well, the lanyard is quite restrictive when moving on the bike - even if ridden just on pavement. You would have to set the length of the lanyard long enough that it would not be much of a hindrance but that literally increase the release time of the airbag vest. Having owned both - the mechanical and the electronic vest - I don't think the mechanical release is the way to go. The only real option at the moment is the in&motion airbag (yes, the one with the subscription option) that offers (at extra costs) an "adventure mode" - it is an electronic vest as well and the Adventure Mode will prevent the vest from inflating if you just fall of the bike near stand still (which is what happens to me most of the time). I have no real life experience with the vest so I ordered the Klim version of this vest for this year and I will give it a try. My biggest concern is that the Klim (in&motion) airbag could get too warm as it is worn under the Jacket and it creates another thermal layer and restricts airflow even when worn with a well ventilated Jacket like the Klim Badlands. I am sure I will do a video on how this vest will work once I have had enough time to test it. cheers, Oliver
@@MotoVibes Interesting. You're one of the few riders with videos comparing pros / cons of airbags from an adventure rider prespective. Looking forward to seeing what your thoughts are between Klim AI-1 and the Helite. Thanks Oliver... Kam
@@MotoVibes You should see if Alpinestars is willing to send you their airbag ( Tech Air-5 ) to test. Comparison of all top three airbags on market. The Alpinestars Tech Air looks like tremendous coverage over shoulders and ribs. Kam
@@greatfallskam the Alpinestars airbag is technically quite interesting- however- the deal breaker for me is that once the airbag inflated it needs to be send to the manufacturer for cartridge replacement. I have triggered my airbags 3 times until now and every time the airbag was ok for further use - so being able to change the cartridge is a must have for me
Helpful video, thank you. I’m definitely getting this e-vest but seem to be between sizes, either a Large or what they call a Large-L. Would you recommend sizing up or down?
Thank you very much. I would rather go bigger than smaller so you can have space for mid layers during the colder season. In the end it depends how heavy your riding jacket is - I am 180cm /5’11” at 85kg and the L size worked well over a Klim Badlands jacket - I hope this helps 😉 Oliver
Does the airbag vest also cover your ribs or just the part below the rib cage? I just had an accident in the Vosges on Saturday and broke 2 ribs right under my left arm. Luckily not much else on my body went wrong, but all clothes are more or less done for. Lets see what the repair costs for my 1190 will be when I get it back to Germany...
Oh no - sorry to hear that. Most important thing that you did not get hurt any worse - 2 broken ribs are bad enough! The Helite vest will provide some protection of the ribs - front and back. The sides are still open - so there is 100% coverage for every crash scenario but there are huge difference in the different airbag models that are on the market - no other airbag vest provides better protection than the Helite Turtle design.
@@MotoVibes Absolutely, fortunately its all going to heal with time. No bent joints or anything. So far the Helite Turtle looks like my favorite too. Can you tell if it gets much warmer under it? I will also have to look for new clothing, so maybe I'll look for something with more ventilation. In any case I will to order a protector shirt with at least some coverage of the ribs as well. My thought is that the combination should be much safer next time I encounter loose gravel in a corner and my front tyre flips...
@@MotoVibes So I got the e-Turtle with fork sensor due to your videos and infos (thanks again!!) and the great guys at Helite. Did you disconnect the fork sensor pairing during gravel/dirt road riding?
@@chilly243 thank you very much- I did not have my fork sensor installed on the ACT italy- my battery died early and I had to send the sensor to Helite anyway 😉
@@MotoVibesI just ordered my E-Turtle Helite vest here in North America. I inquired about the front fork sensor but was told it was not available at this time. Are there problems with it?
As already said, In&Motion seems to have an “adventure” mode (the description talks about gravel roads, and excludes “hard enduro”… pretty slim distinction…). Not sure it wouldn’t inflate after a small jump. I have a tethered Helite Turtle 2, and it deployed once when falling with the bike at a stop. Guess the tethered version has the edge on enduro rides.
The good thing about Helite is the simple replacement of the cartridge after the airbag deployed. Especially on the tethered vest that is a very cheap replacement. As I am riding in the standing up position and I move around a lot the tethered vest is not that great (I had the tether before) for 2 reasons - first you need to set the tether really long which extense the the release time in the sitting down position (the tether is too long) and secondly even when set to very long it is still noticable. If Helite would provide different riding modes on this vest and improve the comfort for riding in the standing-up position this would be perfect for me - maybe add in the option for a hydration pack for good measure 😉
@@MotoVibes Nice to see this comment and give us the opportunity to give you more information 😉 The In&motion airbag system is fully autonomous (no tether, no sensor on the bike) so you don't have any issue when you're moving around the bike or you when you want to ride in the standing-up positiion 😊 We offer three detection mode : road, track and... off-road! This detection mode is based on our experience from the Dakar, where we provide the airbag system to 50 motorcycle riders since three years now. The settings of this detection mode differ from Street mode to adapt to “Off-road” type use with more vibrations, situations of limited grip, light jumps while integrating loss of balance at low speed not causing the need for inflation. Falls are part of the off-road practice. It is important to inflate when necessary and not to inflate on all falls (falling when stopped, loss of balance, etc.). The airbag is triggered if the fall requires inflation. And if you crash and the airbag deploys, don't worry, you can replace the canister (called Inflator) by yourself in 2 minutes, without any tool 😊 I see you're wearing a KLIM vest, don't hesitate to try the KLIM Ai-1 airbag, or its Rally version (with D3O chest protector, holomolated for Dakar Rally). You can wear this airbag under your vest, so you will no longer have comfort issues with your hydratation bag 😉 Hope to see a complete test of the In&motion technology on your channel soon ✌
Hey - thank you very much for providing the addtional information on your product and it is great to see manufacturers like you finding this type of content on UA-cam. The off-road option for adventure riders is indeed a very interesting feature for us adventure riders (that ride off-road and paved roads). Also, I did not know about the latest KLIM product the KLIM AI-1 RALLY AIRBAG VEST which seems to address one of the key issues with airbag vest which are worn under the riding jacket for hot weather riding: the ventilation - very interesting indeed. 👍 I would be very keen to test out your product in the upcoming season - maybe we can collaborate on this and work something out so I can test your product 😉 best wishes, Oliver
@@MotoVibes we can plan a test of the KLIM airbag (classic or rally version) 👍 Feel free to contact us (Facebook or Instagram) if you want to test it during the next season 🙂
@@inmotion1661Using the Klim Inmotion airbag vest there is a monthly subscription fee that must be paid in addition to the initial air bag vest cost, correct? With the Helite vest there is no subscription fee.
I am used to the Helite with a string attached. I also have the Helite e-Turtle since a couple of days. Somehow I can’t be bothered to replace my old-school Helite with this new and fancy one. Somehow the one with the string gives me less of a headache- click it in and you are good to go. With the Helite e-Turtle so many question marks come up by just sitting on a kitchen chair with it. 😂 Fork Sensor battery Ok?, e-Turtle battery, ok or have to recharge? Both items paired properly and for ever? Will the algorithm really work and safe my life when things get tough? With the old school turtle you hear the click and you don‘t have to worry about any system failure. And if you go off-road riding, you detach it before and you should protected from an accidental deployment. But you might even leave it attached while riding off-road. What am I missing? 😅😊 I guess I will just put the whole bundle back on the market and stay with my Turtle 2
You need to move freely while riding off-road including switching from sitting to standing- you would have the tether so long that you extend the release time - also the tether will always be annoying. For off-road the only option is electronic- have a look at the In&Motion or Alpinestars vests as well. The only vest with a dedicated off-road mode is the in&motion vest for now. I just bought the Klim airbag vest with the in&motion technology to test for this season 😉
@@MotoVibes Thank you for your explanation. Based on your suggestion, I also looked at the Klim airbag. It looks quite good. With that one, you need to wear it inside a jacket. Will it be a bit hot (un-comfortable) to wear? I like Helite's turtle vest that you wear outside the jacket. Hopefully, they can add an offroad mode. Based on your experience, which one is more comfortable to wear? Thanks you.
@@XYang2023 I have only tried on the KLIM vest under my KLIM Jacket and it is comfortable. I have not ridden it on the bike - especially not in hot weather or when I am riding challenging off-road conditions. I am also concerned about the additional layer of insulation and that it may get to hot. Even with an off-road mode the Helite vest would not be good for off-road riding in its current design. The "rear" of the airbag vest hits the back of the neck while riding for a long time in the standing position. I rode like for many days but it is slightly annoying. For onroad riding the Helite is still hard to beat but for a mix of off-road and onroad the KLIM airbag may be better - I will let you know once I have some riding experience with it ;-)
This is a lightweigt Camelbak which is meant for running or maybe cycling - there are cheaper versions all over Amazon if you just want to try it out. I have a hydration pack from LEATT which is a bit more robust but I felt I needed something lighter as the hydration pack was sitting on top of the airbag vest. I don't really like carrying much over my shoulders but it is really good to bring water even when I am just riding on pavement.
I did not attach the hydration pack to the vest - its just like a backpack sitting on top of the vest - with a little slack so that it does not get in the way when the airbag deploys.
Servus, dein Fazit bis hierher würde mich interessieren. Für's Off-Road Fahren (TET und ähnliches) jetzt ok oder eher nicht? Überlege zw. Hellte Turtle Automatik oder doch die Reissleine. Die In&Motion/KLIM wäre eine Option, da schreckt mich aber dieser Service Plan ab.
Fürs off-road fahren ist die Helite e-turtle eher nichts. Nicht nur weil sie fehl-auslösen kann wie in diesem Video, sondern auch weil sie nicht besonders bequem ist beim fahren wenn man lange Zeit steht. Ich hab mir jetzt eine Klim Airbagweste bestellt für 2023 da sie denn Adventure Mode hat und auch nicht so stark in den Nacken drückt beim fahren im Stehen. Nachteil ist dass die Klim ( in&motion) zu warm sein könnte, da sie unter der Jacke getragen wird. Zudem kommt das Abo Modell was auf lange Zeit zusätzlich kosten könnte. Es gibt allerdings die Option eines Kaufs - auch nach 3 Jahren noch - was die Klim dann wieder vergleichbar macht mit der Helite in puncto Preis. Der Adventure Mode bleibt dann allerdings als Abo Modell mit 25 Euro im Jahr 😬. Erfahrungen werde ich dann posten sobald ich eine Weile die Klim Weste gefahren bin. Hoffe das hilft 😉
@@MotoVibes Danke für das Feedback. Bin mal auf den Bericht zur Klim gespannt. Das Abo ist da eigentlich ein Dealbreaker. Die Ersatzkartuschen kosten, was ich gelesen habe, auch ne ganze Stange mehr 💰. ✌🏻
@@derlude5673 das mit dem Abo war für mich bisher auch ein Deal Breaker - Vor allem was da jährlich zusammen kommt. Es gibt jedoch eine Kaufoption von Anfang an und eine nachdem man 3 Jahre das Abo bezahlt hat ist ein wandeln in einen Kauf möglich (gegen Gebühr natürlich). Ich werde mich für das Abo entscheiden- falls mir die Airbagweste nach einem Jahr doch nicht taugt fallen eben auch nur fürs erste Jahr die Kosten an. Es kann also auch seine Vorteile haben. Das Haupthema bei der Klim Airbagweste wird die zusätzliche Wärmeisolierung sein. Meine Klim Badlands Jacke hat zwar viele Lüftungsöffnungen aber es wird deutlich weniger Kühlung ankommen mit der Weste als ohne. Da ist die Helite e-Turtle die locker über der Jacke getragen wird weniger einschränkend in Bezug auf was an Kühlung ankommt. Bin also gespannt bei welchen Temperaturen die Klim Airbagweste nicht mehr zu tragen ist und dann an den Tagen ins Gepäck wandern muss (und damit der Schutz entfällt). Die Helite funktioniert bei mir noch bis 35 Grad.
Hello my German friend I got the mechanical vest for that reason You have me looking at Sardinia and Corsica for a birthday trip know And I haven’t even seen your video yet lol Apparently I watched a video on a company called Sardinia enduros That looked worth a visit So stay safe my friend and remember You are awesome 😎🏍
Yeah - lots of video material pilling up - However, I just finished another 50 min video of my last visit to the enduro action team. The Sardinia and Corsica are next but it will be a while now
Hey there. Are you going to get the new off road airbag west from Helite? They released it for public purchase a few days ago, but it's quite expensive. I love to see your thoughts and maybe later a review of it. I'm traveling with a helite 2 (wired version) and as I'm basically online on-road at the moment but plan to do some more adventure riding, in more or less the difficultly you do in your travel vids, I'm curious to know if it would be worth it?? 1150€ + 70€ per cartridge seems to be a bit out of touch. (compared to the wired version, which you can get for less then half of that and around ~20/25€ for a cartridge...) Greetings from southern Germany and save rides always
Interesting product and good to see that there is more progress in the airbag market especially with off-road tailored products. This seems to be just for off-road/ enduro riding. As my riding still has large proportions of road riding I may not be the best target group. I would be thrilled to test it out if Helite would send me one for testing but I don’t think I will be buying one this season - it’s not cheap I agree but it does have dual catridges as required by Dakar - the cartridge price is OK. In&Motion cartridges are more than 100 Euros 😉 the integrated hydration option is great 👍
Okay, Schreckmoment... ich benutze die Ixon-Weste mit der In&Motion Technik. Seit diesem Jahr gibt's dort den "Adventure-Modus", damit sollte so was nicht möglich sein🤔 mit der Technik gibt's auch eine von Klim😉 aber halt Abo🙄
Sehr interessant - ich hab mir das gleich mal angeschaut auf der Website. Ich hoffe die anderen incl. Helite bringen so etwas demnächst auch. Bin nur überhaupt kein Freund von diesem Abo-Modell - das macht für mich auch keinen Sinn für Sicherheitskleidung.
@@MotoVibes ja, ich mag das Abo auch nicht, aber vor 2,5 Jahren gab es nur dieses System oder Reißleine🙄 da gab's auch nicht das Pendant von Held/Klim...mit dem Abo bekommst du wenigstens immer Updates und wenn die Elektronik Box defekt geht, eine Neue. Man kann das Abo auch für max. 4Monate Stillegen, dann 4€/Monat. Bin im Januar auf Jahresabo umgestiegen, dann habe ich nicht das Problem mit dem Aussetzen...Inzwischen gibt's es viele andere Lösungen 😉
@@chrisd3394 Das mit den Updates ist natürlich nicht schlecht - aber ich frag ob das in Summe mehr Kunden bringt als es abschreckt. Anyway - das wichtigste ist, dass Du gut geschützt unterwegs bist und falls der Airbag mal zum Einsatz kommt und Dich vor schlimmeren bewahrt ist es egal wieviel es gekostet hat oder ob es über ein Abo lief oder nicht. Allzeit gute Fahrt 😉
Gut zu sehen, dass sich da was auf dem Markt tut - wäre schön eine "Adventure" Airbagweste zu sehen - die sowohl auf der Straße als auch im Gelände funktioniert - quasi wie unsere Reiseenduros
Ahahah I was wearing the tech air on a quite easy gravel road, I saw a small ramp… I jumped the bike and in the very moment I got air I thought “fucx me… the airbag! “… luckily did not deploy but I was ready when I landed “now it comes.. now it comes…” I decided that for the moment, no, even of easy gravel roads the airbag will stay off (the tech air needs to be sent Alpinestars for the not so nice cost of 150 euro to get the cartridge replaced)
Good to know others are testing the limits of their airbag vests too 😉 There is little to no information out there that would inform us how these airbags will do for "adventure riding" (light off-road with a heavy bike). I would assume Alpinestars airbag system is quite advanced too - I mean they supply the Dakar Rally with airbags - they should know what they are doing. It would be great to see them implement some sort of "self maintenance" in case the airbag deploys - having to send in an airbag for recharge seems like a unnessary hassle
@@MotoVibes yup, actually astars states it can be used for “light off-road” and in the instructions manual they clarify what they mean (this much downhill % slope, this tall steps and so on). As you said the testing they are doing at Dakar might actually, eventually provide them with a reliable enough software for us mere mortals too. As for the “self maintenance” I really do not get my hopes too high… is such a nice revenue for Astars and they can justify it under the name of safety and care… it doesn’t get any better than that (asking 150 euro to replace a 10 euro worth cartridge) 😉😅
@@scldma114 I guess you are right - good source of income but a huge inconvinience for the user - still better than the subscription model some use just to run the airbag - business practices like that are just beyond me.
Thank you very much - at least they are in the price range of a good helmet nowadays - the early airbags were 2-3 times that much. I don't see them getting a whole lot cheaper than this to be honest but I hoping to see "adventure ready" (street & light off-road use) design one of these days.
Helite never meant for this vest to be used like this. The only vest right now that offers an „adventure“ mode for road conditions like this is the in&motion design which sold by Klim, Held and others.
btw - I just received my KLIM Airbag vest - I will see how I get along with this airbag vest this season as I intend to ride some off-road tracks again
I did not like anything that was jumped, it is more you could have had an accident if you were caught in another place that was more complicated to pilot. You've taken it well but it didn't do me any good. Salu2 of your most faithful infidel Pako
now I know what it feels like to have an unplanned release of the airbag vest. I did ride more off-road with it in Sardinia and Corsica but avoided any sudden upward motion 😉
Following a recent severe non motorcycling related accident I'm very afraid to expose myself to the risk of more fractures so I too wear the Helite Turtle 2 airvest on road on all occasions. Thank you for your very useful videos supporting this exceptional product.
Thank you very much Luthor - I wished I was wearing this vest when I crashed with a mountain bike last year 😉 it would have greatly reduced the injuries I took away- ride safe 👍
I have the tethered one, and I already activated it twice, forgot that I was tethered and BAM! :))) 1 more time left then send it to Helite for checking, they are awesome!
One of the best features is the easy self-maintenance of this vest for sure. I don't understand why the competitors cannot do it.
I never ride street without my Helite. Incredible safety product. I have the tethered one 👍👍👍
Right on! Same here - I hope I will never need it but it is good to know that the electronics seem to work quite well and it is so incredibly fast too - the airbag was fully inflated before the wheels touched the ground again (as far as I can tell at least).
As you may remember I bought the mechanical version
And wear it on big rides
On my way back from Normandy the other month I met a fella from Belgium 🇧🇪 on the euro tunnel
He said that I was the only other person that he had seen with one on
He said his one saved his life when a motorist pulled out on him
The ambulance man said that it saved his life and he was a very lucky guy to have it on
I obviously hope that I never put it to the test
Stay safe my friend 👍🏻👻🙏🏻
same here I hope I will never need it like that - the airbag vest is the second most important safety gear right after the crash helmet in my opinion - at least for all the vital organs ;-)
@@MotoVibes I’m too old to worry about my other vital organ 😝🍆
Thanks Oliver for your offroading insights with the vest. From what I saw in the release sequence you did that little jump with round about 50km/h. I would say the vest worked pretty well for what it was designed for. At such a speed you (or a G-Force sensor) would not expect such impacts unless its a crash while street riding. In any case better one release more than one too less. Maybe in future these vests also get an offroad/enduro mode with different release settings. What about wearing a neck brace while offroading?
I absolutely agree -the vest did exactly what is was supposed to do. I am surprised I got that far into the trip. I started to forget I even had it on. If I am in the enduro park I have a completly separate set of armor and a Leatt neckbrace. It allows me to wear a jersey when it gets hot like shown in this video ua-cam.com/video/ecfPx5g0ZSw/v-deo.html
As I usally travel quite a bit when I go off-road touring I do not want to bring 2 sets of armor to keep the luggage light. Also, the neckbrace does not work with the jacket I have - should have thought of that before I bought it ;-)
Good information. I have the very same and see more and more people wearing it. I can see this vest mandatory for all riders in couple years (bc when you see people riding a bike with no gear except helmet it's just a nonsense).
It seems to be catching on but slowly - I am not really into making safety gear mandatory though. There might be other equipment better suited for a particular rider and there so many other factors that influence a rider's safety - gear is just your last resort safety net if everything else failed 😉
I am wearing the Dainese Airbag Jacket and a neckbrace. Used to have the Helite but the cable System takes too much time to be activated in my view.
Very interessting idea to combine the two! Especially since the Dainese airbag does not provide the neckbrace functionality. So, do you ride dirt tracks with this combination? How is your experience?
It fits perfectly, I can turn my head in any direction. Tried it also while standing and it feels good. I did not use it in real life, thankfully, and not keen on making this experience 😅. But I can imagine that while the Airbag deploys, it will also stabilize the neckbrace, or bring it into the right position to protect the head as it should. Would recommend it..
Hi…
In&Motion Airbag Vest kann „Racetrack/Street/Off-road“ ich habe sie in der RST Jacke
Vielen Dank Thomas -gut zu wissen! Hast Du sie schon mal im Gelände ausprobiert?
@@MotoVibes ja, auch mit etwas springen… was man halt ohne schlechtes Gewissen mit der dicken Kuh machen kann… bis jetzt hat sie nur beim stürzen ausgelöst…
I will watch it later, but wanted to tell you that your choice of topics is spot on. Recently I was wondering how will my Eturtle perform on ACT Spain and if I shall wear it there or not.
Glad the topic hits home for you! Hope this will help you make your descision. The ACT Spain is high in my list as well - maybe for next year.
@@MotoVibes You did the same with quite a few other topics too:). I can think for at least 3 other occasions :)
@@OTWW thank you very much - that is good to know ;-)
Did you have the fork sensor on the bike? That would be a good detail to know since that changes how it behaves.
No I did not for this trip 😉
Thanks really helpful, was really helpful, would love to get helite, but seems as im doing adventure riding i need to wait a product more suitable for it, not sure about klim after fortnine
I have had the Klim vest all of last season and it is currently the best airbag for adventure riding- it can get a bit warm when riding in warm conditions but I will keep the Klim airbag for now ua-cam.com/video/vJo_gBnBd2I/v-deo.html btw I love F9 content but i do not agree with Ryan’s assessment on electronic airbag vests - I have had the airbag vests until now and the electronic airbag vests are definitely the way to go in my opinion 😉
@@MotoVibes Saw the video, but there seems to be a lot of issues with subscription, paying for modes and repackaging after crash and closest klim store is like 300+ km away
@@burkaanc not really. You can get the airbag ready to go in 2 min if you bring an extra cartridge. Just like for the Helite vest. I have crashed with the Klim at low speeds and it did not falsely deploy just as it should in „adventure“ mode but I have the replacement cartridge with me just in case
I opted for the subscription which I can convert into a full purchase after 3 years. In the end it comes out to about the same costs as buying a Helite vest
@@MotoVibes I am still weighing my options, but was very close to getting the Klim a while back.
At first I thought I'd prefer under the jacket, but now I am coming around to outside. For one thing, I have a Klim Latitude and it fits me well. Not too baggy, not too tight and I think the vest under would feel constricting. With the Helite, it is easy enough to take the vest off if on a longer break but still keep my jacket on if I want to.
Also, when I was about to pull the trigger on the klim, canisters were sold out everywhere. Seem to be in stock now though.
If I go with the Helite I am still trying to decide between tethered or electronic...
I so enjoy your videos! I was not aware Helite had a e-Turtle. Mine is a mechanical. The tether is kind of a pain..
I turned my best friend riding partner on to your videos. He a Eye Dr in Seattle thats been to Europe many times to ride. He has a Dirt bike in Baja and goes there four times a year to ride. He and three others go on Riding camping trips into Oregon and Northern California once a year for 5 to 8 days. There are many great roads and little law enforcement.
Thank you very much 😉 I heard of Baja from friends in California- they have been trying to get me there some say 😉 maybe one of these days but it’s quite far and expensive for me. The Klim airbag is better for light off-road riding. Video is coming in 6 hours 😉
Although the mechanical version can also fully inflate well below the 80ms. time, I just wonder the merits of electronic version for off-road rinding. Get offs like your West Alps trip, would almost certainly trigger the airbag. The mechanical version ( lanyard ) might be more practical. You would have to disconnect the lanyard in those sketchy hillclimbs or steep descents. In general it would seem the mechanical version of airbag would be more practical for off-roading. No battery to charge every night and zero change of false trigger.
Using a field serviceable CO2 canister is the way to go. To me the subscription models / annual plan and non-field serviceable Argon canisters are nonstarter. Great video.
Well, the lanyard is quite restrictive when moving on the bike - even if ridden just on pavement. You would have to set the length of the lanyard long enough that it would not be much of a hindrance but that literally increase the release time of the airbag vest. Having owned both - the mechanical and the electronic vest - I don't think the mechanical release is the way to go.
The only real option at the moment is the in&motion airbag (yes, the one with the subscription option) that offers (at extra costs) an "adventure mode" - it is an electronic vest as well and the Adventure Mode will prevent the vest from inflating if you just fall of the bike near stand still (which is what happens to me most of the time).
I have no real life experience with the vest so I ordered the Klim version of this vest for this year and I will give it a try. My biggest concern is that the Klim (in&motion) airbag could get too warm as it is worn under the Jacket and it creates another thermal layer and restricts airflow even when worn with a well ventilated Jacket like the Klim Badlands. I am sure I will do a video on how this vest will work once I have had enough time to test it. cheers, Oliver
@@MotoVibes Interesting. You're one of the few riders with videos comparing pros / cons of airbags from an adventure rider prespective. Looking forward to seeing what your thoughts are between Klim AI-1 and the Helite. Thanks Oliver... Kam
@@MotoVibes You should see if Alpinestars is willing to send you their airbag ( Tech Air-5 ) to test. Comparison of all top three airbags on market. The Alpinestars Tech Air looks like tremendous coverage over shoulders and ribs. Kam
@@greatfallskam the Alpinestars airbag is technically quite interesting- however- the deal breaker for me is that once the airbag inflated it needs to be send to the manufacturer for cartridge replacement. I have triggered my airbags 3 times until now and every time the airbag was ok for further use - so being able to change the cartridge is a must have for me
Helpful video, thank you. I’m definitely getting this e-vest but seem to be between sizes, either a Large or what they call a Large-L. Would you recommend sizing up or down?
Thank you very much. I would rather go bigger than smaller so you can have space for mid layers during the colder season. In the end it depends how heavy your riding jacket is - I am 180cm /5’11” at 85kg and the L size worked well over a Klim Badlands jacket - I hope this helps 😉 Oliver
Does the airbag vest also cover your ribs or just the part below the rib cage? I just had an accident in the Vosges on Saturday and broke 2 ribs right under my left arm. Luckily not much else on my body went wrong, but all clothes are more or less done for. Lets see what the repair costs for my 1190 will be when I get it back to Germany...
Oh no - sorry to hear that. Most important thing that you did not get hurt any worse - 2 broken ribs are bad enough! The Helite vest will provide some protection of the ribs - front and back. The sides are still open - so there is 100% coverage for every crash scenario but there are huge difference in the different airbag models that are on the market - no other airbag vest provides better protection than the Helite Turtle design.
@@MotoVibes Absolutely, fortunately its all going to heal with time. No bent joints or anything.
So far the Helite Turtle looks like my favorite too. Can you tell if it gets much warmer under it? I will also have to look for new clothing, so maybe I'll look for something with more ventilation. In any case I will to order a protector shirt with at least some coverage of the ribs as well. My thought is that the combination should be much safer next time I encounter loose gravel in a corner and my front tyre flips...
@@MotoVibes So I got the e-Turtle with fork sensor due to your videos and infos (thanks again!!) and the great guys at Helite. Did you disconnect the fork sensor pairing during gravel/dirt road riding?
@@chilly243 thank you very much- I did not have my fork sensor installed on the ACT italy- my battery died early and I had to send the sensor to Helite anyway 😉
@@MotoVibesI just ordered my E-Turtle Helite vest here in North America. I inquired about the front fork sensor but was told it was not available at this time. Are there problems with it?
As already said, In&Motion seems to have an “adventure” mode (the description talks about gravel roads, and excludes “hard enduro”… pretty slim distinction…). Not sure it wouldn’t inflate after a small jump.
I have a tethered Helite Turtle 2, and it deployed once when falling with the bike at a stop. Guess the tethered version has the edge on enduro rides.
The good thing about Helite is the simple replacement of the cartridge after the airbag deployed. Especially on the tethered vest that is a very cheap replacement. As I am riding in the standing up position and I move around a lot the tethered vest is not that great (I had the tether before) for 2 reasons - first you need to set the tether really long which extense the the release time in the sitting down position (the tether is too long) and secondly even when set to very long it is still noticable.
If Helite would provide different riding modes on this vest and improve the comfort for riding in the standing-up position this would be perfect for me - maybe add in the option for a hydration pack for good measure 😉
@@MotoVibes Nice to see this comment and give us the opportunity to give you more information 😉 The In&motion airbag system is fully autonomous (no tether, no sensor on the bike) so you don't have any issue when you're moving around the bike or you when you want to ride in the standing-up positiion 😊
We offer three detection mode : road, track and... off-road! This detection mode is based on our experience from the Dakar, where we provide the airbag system to 50 motorcycle riders since three years now. The settings of this detection mode differ from Street mode to adapt to “Off-road” type use with more vibrations, situations of limited grip, light jumps while integrating loss of balance at low speed not causing the need for inflation.
Falls are part of the off-road practice. It is important to inflate when necessary and not to inflate on all falls (falling when stopped, loss of balance, etc.). The airbag is triggered if the fall requires inflation.
And if you crash and the airbag deploys, don't worry, you can replace the canister (called Inflator) by yourself in 2 minutes, without any tool 😊
I see you're wearing a KLIM vest, don't hesitate to try the KLIM Ai-1 airbag, or its Rally version (with D3O chest protector, holomolated for Dakar Rally). You can wear this airbag under your vest, so you will no longer have comfort issues with your hydratation bag 😉
Hope to see a complete test of the In&motion technology on your channel soon ✌
Hey - thank you very much for providing the addtional information on your product and it is great to see manufacturers like you finding this type of content on UA-cam. The off-road option for adventure riders is indeed a very interesting feature for us adventure riders (that ride off-road and paved roads). Also, I did not know about the latest KLIM product the KLIM AI-1 RALLY AIRBAG VEST which seems to address one of the key issues with airbag vest which are worn under the riding jacket for hot weather riding: the ventilation - very interesting indeed. 👍
I would be very keen to test out your product in the upcoming season - maybe we can collaborate on this and work something out so I can test your product 😉
best wishes, Oliver
@@MotoVibes we can plan a test of the KLIM airbag (classic or rally version) 👍 Feel free to contact us (Facebook or Instagram) if you want to test it during the next season 🙂
@@inmotion1661Using the Klim Inmotion airbag vest there is a monthly subscription fee that must be paid in addition to the initial air bag vest cost, correct? With the Helite vest there is no subscription fee.
I am used to the Helite with a string attached. I also have the Helite e-Turtle since a couple of days. Somehow I can’t be bothered to replace my old-school Helite with this new and fancy one.
Somehow the one with the string gives me less of a headache- click it in and you are good to go. With the Helite e-Turtle so many question marks come up by just sitting on a kitchen chair with it. 😂
Fork Sensor battery Ok?, e-Turtle battery, ok or have to recharge? Both items paired properly and for ever? Will the algorithm really work and safe my life when things get tough?
With the old school turtle you hear the click and you don‘t have to worry about any system failure. And if you go off-road riding, you detach it before and you should protected from an accidental deployment. But you might even leave it attached while riding off-road.
What am I missing? 😅😊
I guess I will just put the whole bundle back on the market and stay with my Turtle 2
Here are the reasons why I prefer the electronic version over the mechanical ua-cam.com/video/jFu_VXR6_KA/v-deo.html
Do you think the tethered version might work better for off-road conditions or not? Thanks for the review.
You need to move freely while riding off-road including switching from sitting to standing- you would have the tether so long that you extend the release time - also the tether will always be annoying. For off-road the only option is electronic- have a look at the In&Motion or Alpinestars vests as well. The only vest with a dedicated off-road mode is the in&motion vest for now. I just bought the Klim airbag vest with the in&motion technology to test for this season 😉
@@MotoVibes Thank you for your explanation. Based on your suggestion, I also looked at the Klim airbag. It looks quite good. With that one, you need to wear it inside a jacket. Will it be a bit hot (un-comfortable) to wear? I like Helite's turtle vest that you wear outside the jacket. Hopefully, they can add an offroad mode. Based on your experience, which one is more comfortable to wear? Thanks you.
@@XYang2023 I have only tried on the KLIM vest under my KLIM Jacket and it is comfortable. I have not ridden it on the bike - especially not in hot weather or when I am riding challenging off-road conditions. I am also concerned about the additional layer of insulation and that it may get to hot. Even with an off-road mode the Helite vest would not be good for off-road riding in its current design. The "rear" of the airbag vest hits the back of the neck while riding for a long time in the standing position. I rode like for many days but it is slightly annoying. For onroad riding the Helite is still hard to beat but for a mix of off-road and onroad the KLIM airbag may be better - I will let you know once I have some riding experience with it ;-)
@@MotoVibes Thank you.
This is part of the reason why I got the mechanical tether version
For adventure or off-road riding?!
I am looking at your water bag attached to your Helite , what kind of kit is this ?
This is a lightweigt Camelbak which is meant for running or maybe cycling - there are cheaper versions all over Amazon if you just want to try it out. I have a hydration pack from LEATT which is a bit more robust but I felt I needed something lighter as the hydration pack was sitting on top of the airbag vest. I don't really like carrying much over my shoulders but it is really good to bring water even when I am just riding on pavement.
@@MotoVibes Thanks for your insight . How did you attached it on the vest ?
I did not attach the hydration pack to the vest - its just like a backpack sitting on top of the vest - with a little slack so that it does not get in the way when the airbag deploys.
@@MotoVibes Thanks for all the infos , very appreciated .
@@alainbrouillette7740 no problem - I am happy to help
Servus, dein Fazit bis hierher würde mich interessieren. Für's Off-Road Fahren (TET und ähnliches) jetzt ok oder eher nicht? Überlege zw. Hellte Turtle Automatik oder doch die Reissleine. Die In&Motion/KLIM wäre eine Option, da schreckt mich aber dieser Service Plan ab.
Fürs off-road fahren ist die Helite e-turtle eher nichts. Nicht nur weil sie fehl-auslösen kann wie in diesem Video, sondern auch weil sie nicht besonders bequem ist beim fahren wenn man lange Zeit steht. Ich hab mir jetzt eine Klim Airbagweste bestellt für 2023 da sie denn Adventure Mode hat und auch nicht so stark in den Nacken drückt beim fahren im Stehen. Nachteil ist dass die Klim ( in&motion) zu warm sein könnte, da sie unter der Jacke getragen wird. Zudem kommt das Abo Modell was auf lange Zeit zusätzlich kosten könnte. Es gibt allerdings die Option eines Kaufs - auch nach 3 Jahren noch - was die Klim dann wieder vergleichbar macht mit der Helite in puncto Preis. Der Adventure Mode bleibt dann allerdings als Abo Modell mit 25 Euro im Jahr 😬. Erfahrungen werde ich dann posten sobald ich eine Weile die Klim Weste gefahren bin. Hoffe das hilft 😉
@@MotoVibes Danke für das Feedback. Bin mal auf den Bericht zur Klim gespannt. Das Abo ist da eigentlich ein Dealbreaker. Die Ersatzkartuschen kosten, was ich gelesen habe, auch ne ganze Stange mehr 💰. ✌🏻
@@derlude5673 das mit dem Abo war für mich bisher auch ein Deal Breaker - Vor allem was da jährlich zusammen kommt. Es gibt jedoch eine Kaufoption von Anfang an und eine nachdem man 3 Jahre das Abo bezahlt hat ist ein wandeln in einen Kauf möglich (gegen Gebühr natürlich). Ich werde mich für das Abo entscheiden- falls mir die Airbagweste nach einem Jahr doch nicht taugt fallen eben auch nur fürs erste Jahr die Kosten an. Es kann also auch seine Vorteile haben. Das Haupthema bei der Klim Airbagweste wird die zusätzliche Wärmeisolierung sein. Meine Klim Badlands Jacke hat zwar viele Lüftungsöffnungen aber es wird deutlich weniger Kühlung ankommen mit der Weste als ohne. Da ist die Helite e-Turtle die locker über der Jacke getragen wird weniger einschränkend in Bezug auf was an Kühlung ankommt. Bin also gespannt bei welchen Temperaturen die Klim Airbagweste nicht mehr zu tragen ist und dann an den Tagen ins Gepäck wandern muss (und damit der Schutz entfällt). Die Helite funktioniert bei mir noch bis 35 Grad.
Hello my German friend
I got the mechanical vest for that reason
You have me looking at Sardinia and Corsica for a birthday trip know
And I haven’t even seen your video yet lol
Apparently I watched a video on a company called Sardinia enduros
That looked worth a visit
So stay safe my friend and remember
You are awesome 😎🏍
Yeah - lots of video material pilling up - However, I just finished another 50 min video of my last visit to the enduro action team. The Sardinia and Corsica are next but it will be a while now
What is the wrap on your crash bars?
check out this vid for more info ua-cam.com/video/kNb4Cs3YDOY/v-deo.html
Hey there. Are you going to get the new off road airbag west from Helite? They released it for public purchase a few days ago, but it's quite expensive. I love to see your thoughts and maybe later a review of it. I'm traveling with a helite 2 (wired version) and as I'm basically online on-road at the moment but plan to do some more adventure riding, in more or less the difficultly you do in your travel vids, I'm curious to know if it would be worth it?? 1150€ + 70€ per cartridge seems to be a bit out of touch. (compared to the wired version, which you can get for less then half of that and around ~20/25€ for a cartridge...)
Greetings from southern Germany and save rides always
Interesting product and good to see that there is more progress in the airbag market especially with off-road tailored products. This seems to be just for off-road/ enduro riding. As my riding still has large proportions of road riding I may not be the best target group. I would be thrilled to test it out if Helite would send me one for testing but I don’t think I will be buying one this season - it’s not cheap I agree but it does have dual catridges as required by Dakar - the cartridge price is OK. In&Motion cartridges are more than 100 Euros 😉 the integrated hydration option is great 👍
Mate, what hydro backpack are you wearing over it?
It’s a light weight Camelbag - it’s meant for running
That was a great bit if information ,thank you ,jimmy Australia
Glad it was helpful - thank you very much for your feedback - cheers, Oliver
Okay, Schreckmoment... ich benutze die Ixon-Weste mit der In&Motion Technik. Seit diesem Jahr gibt's dort den "Adventure-Modus", damit sollte so was nicht möglich sein🤔 mit der Technik gibt's auch eine von Klim😉 aber halt Abo🙄
Sehr interessant - ich hab mir das gleich mal angeschaut auf der Website. Ich hoffe die anderen incl. Helite bringen so etwas demnächst auch. Bin nur überhaupt kein Freund von diesem Abo-Modell - das macht für mich auch keinen Sinn für Sicherheitskleidung.
@@MotoVibes ja, ich mag das Abo auch nicht, aber vor 2,5 Jahren gab es nur dieses System oder Reißleine🙄 da gab's auch nicht das Pendant von Held/Klim...mit dem Abo bekommst du wenigstens immer Updates und wenn die Elektronik Box defekt geht, eine Neue. Man kann das Abo auch für max. 4Monate Stillegen, dann 4€/Monat. Bin im Januar auf Jahresabo umgestiegen, dann habe ich nicht das Problem mit dem Aussetzen...Inzwischen gibt's es viele andere Lösungen 😉
@@chrisd3394 Das mit den Updates ist natürlich nicht schlecht - aber ich frag ob das in Summe mehr Kunden bringt als es abschreckt. Anyway - das wichtigste ist, dass Du gut geschützt unterwegs bist und falls der Airbag mal zum Einsatz kommt und Dich vor schlimmeren bewahrt ist es egal wieviel es gekostet hat oder ob es über ein Abo lief oder nicht. Allzeit gute Fahrt 😉
Dann lass uns hoffen die neue Alpinestars Tech Air Off-road kommt rechtzeitig zur ARC heraus 😉
Gut zu sehen, dass sich da was auf dem Markt tut - wäre schön eine "Adventure" Airbagweste zu sehen - die sowohl auf der Straße als auch im Gelände funktioniert - quasi wie unsere Reiseenduros
@@MotoVibes die entsprechenden Produkte von Alpinestars und Helite scheinen ab sofort verfügbar zu sein.
@@thomaswurster7040 vielen Dank für die Info. Schau ich mir gleich mal an 😉
Ahahah I was wearing the tech air on a quite easy gravel road, I saw a small ramp… I jumped the bike and in the very moment I got air I thought “fucx me… the airbag! “… luckily did not deploy but I was ready when I landed “now it comes.. now it comes…” I decided that for the moment, no, even of easy gravel roads the airbag will stay off (the tech air needs to be sent Alpinestars for the not so nice cost of 150 euro to get the cartridge replaced)
Good to know others are testing the limits of their airbag vests too 😉 There is little to no information out there that would inform us how these airbags will do for "adventure riding" (light off-road with a heavy bike). I would assume Alpinestars airbag system is quite advanced too - I mean they supply the Dakar Rally with airbags - they should know what they are doing. It would be great to see them implement some sort of "self maintenance" in case the airbag deploys - having to send in an airbag for recharge seems like a unnessary hassle
@@MotoVibes yup, actually astars states it can be used for “light off-road” and in the instructions manual they clarify what they mean (this much downhill % slope, this tall steps and so on). As you said the testing they are doing at Dakar might actually, eventually provide them with a reliable enough software for us mere mortals too. As for the “self maintenance” I really do not get my hopes too high… is such a nice revenue for Astars and they can justify it under the name of safety and care… it doesn’t get any better than that (asking 150 euro to replace a 10 euro worth cartridge) 😉😅
@@scldma114 I guess you are right - good source of income but a huge inconvinience for the user - still better than the subscription model some use just to run the airbag - business practices like that are just beyond me.
@@MotoVibes yeah agree 100% 👍🏻
Great information, wish they were cheaper
Thank you very much - at least they are in the price range of a good helmet nowadays - the early airbags were 2-3 times that much. I don't see them getting a whole lot cheaper than this to be honest but I hoping to see "adventure ready" (street & light off-road use) design one of these days.
What is helite saying?
Helite never meant for this vest to be used like this. The only vest right now that offers an „adventure“ mode for road conditions like this is the in&motion design which sold by Klim, Held and others.
btw - I just received my KLIM Airbag vest - I will see how I get along with this airbag vest this season as I intend to ride some off-road tracks again
Return of the Michelin Männchen 🤪
indeed - they need to make these in white color 🤪
I did not like anything that was jumped, it is more you could have had an accident if you were caught in another place that was more complicated to pilot.
You've taken it well but it didn't do me any good.
Salu2 of your most faithful infidel Pako
now I know what it feels like to have an unplanned release of the airbag vest. I did ride more off-road with it in Sardinia and Corsica but avoided any sudden upward motion 😉