Luther is out, The Fallen gather in Legion strength, The Lion's wounds are long healed, it's time for The Lion to awaken and lead his sons to redemption
While it would be nice from a lore perspective to see the Lion return, from a tabletop perspective that would be a bit of a problem. If Lion returns that would mean that while the Imperium and chaos each had their own centerpiece model. Armies like the Drukhari, Tyranids, T´au and to a certain extend Eldari and Orks would all be left in the dust lacking these center piece models, that are on a primarch level. The reason i say to a certain extend is that the Orks Gazkhul and the Eldari have the Ynnead avatar, though with the Eldari they have the potential for a second model if they bothered to update the avatar of Khaine (and not making him a bloody joke in the lore, its almost easier to count who hasn´t killed the Avatar of Khaine, then those who have)
@@Erikjust good analysis. Tabletop is the money maker for GW. However the necron king is aroused with Ynead and gazkhul, fairness would be to bring back another primarch.
@@AzrealMaximus Yes... but i do think that Drukhari, Tyranids and T´au should get someone first. They lack a real centerpiece model, on the level of Gulliman, Magnus, Mortarion Silent King etc. The Drukhari had one once in the form of Vect, though he has since been relegated to fluff only. Would be nice to see him return in a special built Raider. I know the majority still play Imperium, so by that logic it would be good to feed that audience. However if i wanted to play Space Marine vs Space Marine, i would just play Horus Heresy. Space Marine vs Space Marine or even Imperium vs Chaos gets boring in the long run. And if the xenos players are constantly starved of new models, or at the very least their model range doesn´t seem to be of the same quality as that of the imperium players, eventually they will leave and that could effect the 40k brand.
@@redaerf2b414 his mother was a Wolf - very talent animal to hunting, especially on packs. And bealive me - You NOT wanna try fishing in Fenris water 😉
I think the Emperor made The Lion to be an apex predator at heart. While Russ was made to be the ferocious but unshakably loyal executioner of the Emperor like a loyal hound in the form of a son. Johnson however was made to be his father's exterminator, a lion always on the prowl in the form of a man.
The Lion and the First would be what the Grey Knights fulfill now; destroyers of humanities greatest and most perfidious foes, experts, secretive, decked in arcane weaponry.
@@TheStrossicro I love the idea of that! They do work with the Knights every now and then too. Russ and the Lion are the feral judges of the emperor, one to be standing as the warning to all who would oppose big E, and the other the one to swing out from the shadows to deal the lethal blows unexpected and surgical
In the lion primarch book it flat out state that the lions purpose is to exterminate everything and anything including the imperium itself if it turns from big es path. They have forbidden weapons and even spoilers Men of iron for gods sakes in their ships. Their job was to fuck up whoever emperor wanted gone
It has been said that Calabanite lions were each unique entities, wholly apart from any other creature, and apex predators of thier lands. It is said that after succesfully hunting the last of the Calabanite Lions with the Order, that Lion el Johnson felt that he was now truly alone.
You are my Favorite 40k lore Master,...or even more Story Teller.... U give me everytime the feeling of 40k and your voice delivers the perfekt atmosphere.... Pls keep on doin this....Luv it , and cant wait for more... Sry for my Englisch, im from germany, Berlin
@@Dreadbringer Love the part when the Lion went "hunter" mode in his third battle against Curze. He sensed where Curze was and ultimately breaking his back
Though i dont see Luthers squad winning against the Lion, even as a youngster, if he was killed there and then, that would have been the end for mankind, as not only he saved the six host of Angels of death from being disbanded by internal legión masters strugles by defeating everyone himself, but he ended the traitors homeworlds, adquire the most impresive of arsenals that would be in traitors hands, stopped curze for years, rally Blood angels and ultramarines to Terra, even ended whole xenos species and secret threats to mankind. Horus would have won and the Galaxy would have burned and be defiled by daemons.
the reason i loved 40k, no matter if u read/hear a new story or one u heard/read a million times, there is always a new view to everything. an example, i thought i knew about tyrranids, but today i played battlefleet gothic armada 2 as a tyranid for my 1st time.. the more i played the more i felt like a hive mind,the endless hunger the insticts and the non-stop moving forward. i played may games where u fight tyrranids..but i never had the understanding about them as i have now. 40k is awesome!!!
The Lion is one of the greatest of the Primarchs, his mind is so perpetually interesting. For he is a strategist, he looks upon everyone like they are prey.
"Of all the Primarchs, save perhaps Mortarion, Lion El'Jonson stands apart. Partially this is due to his taciturn nature - a brooding silence hangs over him at all times. Yet there is something more... something buried beneath his noble exterior. Perhaps this is a result of his upbringing, growing to maturity along in the monster-ridden forests of Caliban. Even at a council of war, the Lion moves like an apex predator. He is always watching, always planning, always hunting. He unnerves even his brothers." Malcador himself
@@jackmyers8687 Malcador is very wise. He himself saw the Emperor for all his own flaws, and accepted him. For the Emperor's plan is the only true hope for Mankind.
@@darkinnovator2479 he made the "teleport Deamon" submit to him in fear with a clans and took a chunk out of The Night Lord's thanks to it! - HH book proof
What rivalry? Its the Legions now "chapters" that hold the rivalry, like ingwar said, now they aré Best of friends, even sharing fenrisian ale and caliban wine.
Not again, we had Russ preaching last week about the virtues of the sons of Russ during Magnus week. Don’t let him get started with another biased view of another brother. He can do those during Russ week.🤣😉
Newbie question: has any primarch been shown to have familial love towards any of his adopted family? Did Lion feel any love towards Luther, even when they fought? It's like I always hear that a primarch has a new family, they either go bad or they are just forgotten or just disappear into the faceless ranks of the imperium.
Lorgar, Magnus, Russ and The Lion all had there father figure changed into Legionaries or at least Proto Legionaries. Kor Phaeron, Amon, Black Blood and Luther were all ascended on there sons orders. Definitely interesting dynamic. Also, Roboute actually had his adopted mother as an advisor!
The lion is said to have been pained at the thought of fighting Luther, resulting in his holding back so much a (admittedly chaos united infused) proto legionnaire could mortally wound him. It's ultimately a very mirrored story to the Emperor vs Horus and likely similar in terms of power difference. Emps one shot Horus once he gave up on him, but lion couldn't bring himself to go that far. He is one of the strongest fighters out of his brothers, at least top 3, so it shouldn't have even been more than a single hit after all.
Guilliman loved his adopted mother so much that she eventually became a leader and advisor of Ultramar. She would even call him boy during political meetings. It’s honestly wholesome and is one of the best parent/child relationships of the primarchs aside from Rogal Dorn and his grandfather
You can take the Lion out of the Forest, but you can't take the Forest out of the Lion. He spent his formative years surrounded by trees and not people, and fighting for his life. I'm not his biggest fan, but no wonder he's paranoid and apt to distrust people.
Not overly surprising, bolters and chainswords are golden age technology that's still used. it's inevitable out of the millions of worlds at least some of them would retain the technology, or at the very least "relics" from days past
To be honest? I think Luther saved Lion here. He was young, exhausted, wounded, unarmed and there was more less 10 knights with bolters. If they hit Lion enought times, and then chopped him up with chainswords, they could have kill him. Also. One of very few things I didn't like in this book is that it confirms that Primarchs always grow super fast and super strong. I was hoping they would have a natural human development, only keep growing and developing their body after reaching typical human statue. I think it would be better then primarchs always being superior even as children but it's really minor thing.
I have enjoyed your other reviews even if I hadn't had a chance to read my copy yet. This is one book I was able to read before your review and I enjoyed it. For me the fact that Luthor would tell stories of his time on Caliban was a way for him to try and teach the Grand Masters lessons. The fact that they ignored his lessons says much about how fanatical the DA have become.
Counter-point: for Luther who grew up in a feudal society then watched the Emperor effectively create the same on a galactic level, the fact that the Emperor could not "run his own house" as it were, showed he was unfit as a monarch. Half his sons turned against him and started prosecuting a war against him which indicated he had issues with creating and maintaining loyalty. Regardless of whatever platitudes the Emperor may have said and had iterators spout ad nauseum, the existence of the Astartes, the Auxilia, and Titan Legions indicated the Emperor was a "might makes right" sort of ruler. By that conceit, if the "traitor" sons were winning, they clearly had to be in the right, or, at the very least, we're proving to be more effective leaders and potential future monarchs than the Emperor. Next, consider the fact that Lion was not on Caliban to instruct Luther "by the way, we're staying loyal, k?" leaving Luther to wonder, "okay, so which side are we on?" when agents of the Imperium started making demands of him. Luther's lack of committing to either side of morally reprehensible leaders in a fight that wasn't his without at least someone better-dealing him is probably the most rational reaction any character in the HH/40k universe has ever had. Even when I knew very little about the hobby, I never could wrap my mind quite around the idea of "Luther is a bad guy" and the more I learn, the less like one he really seems.
While I may still think the Dark Angels are a bunch of green-clad kittens, (Glory to the 6th and the Wolf King!) I am loving how much their story has expanded... so my hate is sprinkled with at the very least a little respect for just how similarly different the Lion and the Wolf really are. Makes the rivalry all the more potent I think. Though it does make me wonder, if all the Primarchs were raised on Terra as they should have been, I think the Master of Kittens and the Lord of Puppers could have been the closest of friends
They were the closest friends anyway, I'm pretty sure there's a book where it states that Russ was the only one the Lion ever called brother, don't know if that's still true. When the Lion returns Russ won't be far behind, I honestly half expect them to have an honour duel to decide who gets to bump off Angron or something.
I don't think he really struggles with human relations or with his brothers as much as people think. I think it suits him to stay at arms length. I just love the character; he always pops off the page whenever he makes an appearance. Mostly I think because you just never really know what you will get with him. He can be noble and wise; sometimes downright cool. Others he can be pretty intense if not outright scary. But in the dire days of the heresy, he was the hero the imperium needed. Insanely powerful, brilliant and ruthless. A maverick, yes, but a marquis player nonetheless. I really hope we see him again.
Man-handles warp creatures as a boy with bare hands, no power armour, no blessed weapons or knowledge of demonic names. What a boss. Roboute, Give him The Emperors Sword, it is wasted upon thee.
I mean you have to admit primarch who just conquered world's from the people that's cool but the ones who conquered world's from people and had to kill monsters before they joined the imperium much better Ferris Konrad Lion Mortarion All primarch who didn't get raised by proper humans and had to murder monsters really cool
This is one of those HH/40K novels that is WAY better in audiobook form. That's not me saying it's in any way a bad read. It's just that the peculiar structure of this particular novel works better listened to! My thought at the end was that Luther had given Cypher the kill anything Death Guard rusty spoon blade o' chaos, was going to use it on the he him who is was will be on terras golden throne, only for Guilliman to have him .... stored indefinitely beneath the Imperial Palace.
It is not so much about what guiliman could do at this point I'm he has regret some things about the condex Astartes especially the part of split up the legions the real problems are the high lords the eclisiarcy and the inquisition who I 100% sure are not gonna react very well on this even if the Lion don't give a fuck about them, they have who knows how military and paramilitary organisations under there feet and they are known for don't fear to use them I believe you saw how they react to guilimans return how about an entire legion of space marines with there primarch , emperor protect
Waaaaaaiiit... there were Bolters on Caliban before the primarchs were fully grown? Before the great crusade had left earth? When the Astartes were still using Volkite weapons, thus before the bolter was invented by necessity? Tzeench has a hand in this, I'm sure of it!
"Since the Dark Age of Technology there had been colonists. (…) Erosion was a foe more dangerous than any other, and more highly prized than war leaders were engineers and masons. King-artisans ruled some lands, hoarding the secrets of forebears who knew of strut and buttress, guarding for themselves vaults containing the secret equations that had once guided the first machines to build walls and roofs on this world. It was the work of the ancients, archeotech. Later I would learn another name for such technology from the servants of the Emperor and the agents of the Machine-God. Standard template construct. The engines no longer worked nor could be found, but we had designs that had survived Old Night, and even a handful that Mars and Terra had forgotten." (Gav Thorpe, "Luther: First of the Fallen")
I find listening at 1.25 speed and skipping the constant repetition of lines along with the commentary (that adds very little) makes these videos immeasurably better.
@@Dreadbringer I can dig that I like it too most of the time just not the circling repetition of summing up what he just summed up in the same words. I recommend Only War's stuff he sounds similar but has much longer videos
My big theory as always been that the lion actually turned to chaos and not Luther, and that the legion orchestrated Luther's betrayal to cover it up at the end of the heresy. He spent so much time in the forests that already corrupted all of the beasts living there so it stands to reason that even a Primarch living out most of his childhood in the forests would suffer some degree of taint. This means that the fallen are actually the ones fighting for the Redemption of the legion and they are attempting to find Luther who is the only one who knows the truth. What other kind of secret would the loyalist dark Angels go to such length to protect? It would have to be one of such magnitude that if discovered would spell the doom of the legion, and a tainted Primarch would do just that. Recent books have kind of poked holes in this theory but I still like it. It's also kind of fun to play with the fact that the alpha legion might have a Primarch who may be secretly loyal, so why wouldn't the loyalists have one that is secretly a traitor? Alpharius and omegon. Luther and lion. Both legions are secretive. Both are clearly have their own clandestine goals. I don't know... It just seems to line up
Wait, they had bolters on Caliban at the time the Lion was discovered? I thought they were a medieval-level world, that was always something I thought was cool. How disappointing. Even if they had bits of old tech around, them just having bolters specifically seems... weird? And boring?
Lion wouldve murdered Luther and knights even tho he was wounded. He killed local apex predator with mid difficulty and suffered minor bulletwounds (for a primarch) when they shot at him. They mayve been able to further damage him but not kill
I wonder why Luther and Lion didn’t have the father and son thing going on . To me Guilliman’s relationship with Konor I feel the most important relationship in entire setting considering how important Roboute is to current setting. I bet Lion would have become the war master had Luther loved him it would has smoothed the rough edges of the Lion’s personality.
@@MrJara1018 well its warhammer, after all the Primarchs purpose was to cleanse a Path for.mankind to develop and grow, what the traitors forgot Is that they aré tools for this to happen, they arent meant for happy lives, they aré our shield and swords against the abyss.
Simple jealously, really. And that's the biggest tragedy of it all. Luther, had the Lion never been found or landed on Caliban, likely would have become Caliban's most legendary Knight - a name known far and wide, and would have been told for centuries to come. He would have been great, had the people of Caliban not stumbled upon a living demi-god. Compared to that, Luther was nothing. Sad as it is to say: It was inevitable. Even more so when the Lion could barely hold much weight in a casual social conversation - even amongst his fellow Primarchs.
Luther Captain Ginyu'd the Lion as his final "psychic blow". That's why Luther is said to have "gone mad" when he was captured. The Lion is actually Luther, Luther is resting within the Lion's body, being kept in stasis. LutherLion is driven mad by centuries of physical and psychic torture, convinced he IS Luther and eventually escapes the Rock following the formation of the Great Rift to lead the Fallen to redemption.
@@Dreadbringer Yeah it would definitely ruin their bottom line, unless they made it into some Guilliman esque plot point where the Lion's body is returned/revived through some complicated team effort across multiple races that they can make into a profitable book series.
@@standarddeviation7963 im.hoping for the whole Galaxy yo escalate things further, bringing back Primarchs and traitors and empowering other xenos species too so thing go way More over the top than before, Lets keep the lore flowing, and Lets keep the lore épic.
Had they killed Lion at that point when he was a child I doubt caliban would have even been a part of the emperium. First off it was the Lion who ordered all the beasts of Caliban yo be slain (the beasts which we now know were chaos spawns) so when the emperium arrived to see it crawling we chaos daemons and spawns the Emperor would have ordered exterminatus to keep it quiet. Secondly I believe the rebellion against the unification with the emperium would still have taken place (should my first statement not have taken place) ultimately seeing all of the Caliban natives killed and repopulate to make use of the planet; or yet again.....Exterminatus!
They didn't have proper bolters... more like ancient prototype bolters. The thunder warriors also used similar weapons. I would venture the guess that chainsword and bolters are older than the unification wars, possibly and probably going back to the dark age. The 30k mecanicum and emperor just upgraded or revised the weaponry. Descent of angels refers to as much
Or more like if Obi-wan realized the Jedi order effectively kidnapped children, forced them to become part of their pseudo-religious constabulary that wasn't accountable to anyone and made their own decisions about law, society, culture, and both domestic and international affairs, actively hunted-down and tried to exterminate any other iteration of the pseudo-religious constabulary, and did it all while claimed to be the good guy. The layer upon layer of irony in it all is almost too meta to be real.
Random question and hopefully will get an answer. So I've started the Horus Heresy properly ( I know basic plots of the books up to I think Mechanicum) and just finished Decent of Angels last night. So I know the Lion sending Luther and Zahariel back to Caliban is the start of the setup for The Fallen but don't know if The Fallen are Chaos corrupted too in 30 or 40k
The meme is kind of that some are/some arent. Some straight up turned on emps, others just didnt like how they were treated and after the split they melded into the background. Majority do seem at the very least, criminally disloyal to the emperor, chaos or not.
Anyone know when Godblight or any of the animations are coming out? They seem to advertize a new animation every couple of weeks but they haven't released one yet.
I like your theories, but you are completely missing the_most_important_thing about what GW has done to the Dark Angels. They have stuck us with Gav "Matt Ward v1.0" Thorpe. No amount of good storytelling, lore hope, or sense will we ever taste while this remains so. Sure would be nice if THE FIRST got an author worthy of writing their past, current, and future lore, IMHO. But, WTF do I know. Only been a Dark Angel Player and Collector since Rogue Trader dropped.
The question is how much of this is true, how much is allegory, and how much is BS? Given the question was about Cypher, and Luther started talking about Lion, I would say this is allegorical. The DA use of allegory in the initiation of the Deathwing....
can they bloody bring back another primarch already jeeeeesh, games workshop really drags things out dont they. It better not be another 10 years before we got another loyalist primarch. Lion or Dorn would be awesome... Leman Russ would be okay too but i think Russ wouldnt really care too much to help the imperium as a whole.
With a name like Lionel, it’s understandable (Lionel Richie as an example). But lion was named after Lionel Johnson, an English poet who was BFFs with Oscar Wilde in late 1800s. Take that for what you will. but they can all change their skin tone at will or at least dynamically with the solar radiation their skin is getting.
I think the lion had some sort of autism. He was an absolute badass, no question there. But in some of the novels he couldn't pick up certain things. Maybe I am mistaken.
@@Dreadbringer having speed read Mortis, there's a chance the Lion will kill every last Dark Angel just to make sure the character of The Order is erraised with the possibility of going full primaris after that...
@@BandOfHarjaps mmm he would assign suicide run missions and send DA as hit squads against imposible odds before killing them, he Is a pragmatist at heart, but i believe he Will rally the unforgiven Many chapters and the fallen togheter and go to erase and purge Xenos & daemon planets again and on His way to Terra, to gather with Guilliman and kneel to the Emperor for guidance and mission parámeters, probably Will become the new warmaster or something like that, and the Imperium Will go to the ofensive again!!!
Damn click bait lol 😂 Any way, No Luther regrets not killing the lion and he’s telling these Dark Angels his side of the story, basically saying the lion is corrupted by chaos and that’s why he turned traitor for the good of the legion and his home world no doubt, lol trying to make himself the good guy when he’s not lol
I just want you to know you have ruined "Hey Everyone" for us all who watch your videos. Now everytime someone says that in day to day life or on YT we all whisper under our breaths "...Wolf Lord Rho here".
you oversell the lion too much...he's just an uninspired bland character...they try to flourish hikm into something meaningful but all the parts are allreay taken...the lion simply has zero importance..he's just needless filler....just like his bland coulourless legion
Luther is out, The Fallen gather in Legion strength, The Lion's wounds are long healed, it's time for The Lion to awaken and lead his sons to redemption
Truer words have never been spoken
While it would be nice from a lore perspective to see the Lion return, from a tabletop perspective that would be a bit of a problem.
If Lion returns that would mean that while the Imperium and chaos each had their own centerpiece model.
Armies like the Drukhari, Tyranids, T´au and to a certain extend Eldari and Orks would all be left in the dust lacking these center piece models, that are on a primarch level.
The reason i say to a certain extend is that the Orks Gazkhul and the Eldari have the Ynnead avatar, though with the Eldari they have the potential for a second model if they bothered to update the avatar of Khaine (and not making him a bloody joke in the lore, its almost easier to count who hasn´t killed the Avatar of Khaine, then those who have)
@@Erikjust For The Lion! :D
@@Erikjust good analysis. Tabletop is the money maker for GW. However the necron king is aroused with Ynead and gazkhul, fairness would be to bring back another primarch.
@@AzrealMaximus Yes... but i do think that Drukhari, Tyranids and T´au should get someone first.
They lack a real centerpiece model, on the level of Gulliman, Magnus, Mortarion Silent King etc.
The Drukhari had one once in the form of Vect, though he has since been relegated to fluff only.
Would be nice to see him return in a special built Raider.
I know the majority still play Imperium, so by that logic it would be good to feed that audience.
However if i wanted to play Space Marine vs Space Marine, i would just play Horus Heresy.
Space Marine vs Space Marine or even Imperium vs Chaos gets boring in the long run.
And if the xenos players are constantly starved of new models, or at the very least their model range doesn´t seem to be of the same quality as that of the imperium players, eventually they will leave and that could effect the 40k brand.
"He was truly master of the hunt"... Jaghatai: Wut?!
Hunting being primarch must be boring as fucc. Jaghatai can punch rhino or elephant to death with bare hands, outrunning cheetah.
I would think russ would be upset too
@@williammurray4588 russ lived on 99% water planet, I think he was more of a fisher, lol.
@@redaerf2b414 jajajajajaa
@@redaerf2b414 his mother was a Wolf - very talent animal to hunting, especially on packs. And bealive me - You NOT wanna try fishing in Fenris water 😉
So he was found naked? Guess that's why he's called "Johnson"
Chapter fails, rooster tails...
You, your girl and your Johnson
Lion the Weiner
Nothing but Johnsons.
I now consider this canon
HAHA
I think the Emperor made The Lion to be an apex predator at heart. While Russ was made to be the ferocious but unshakably loyal executioner of the Emperor like a loyal hound in the form of a son. Johnson however was made to be his father's exterminator, a lion always on the prowl in the form of a man.
The Lion and the First would be what the Grey Knights fulfill now; destroyers of humanities greatest and most perfidious foes, experts, secretive, decked in arcane weaponry.
@@TheStrossicro I love the idea of that! They do work with the Knights every now and then too.
Russ and the Lion are the feral judges of the emperor, one to be standing as the warning to all who would oppose big E, and the other the one to swing out from the shadows to deal the lethal blows unexpected and surgical
The Apex predator. A Hunter and a Lord of Hunters. Of all of his brothers, the Lion stood apart.
In the lion primarch book it flat out state that the lions purpose is to exterminate everything and anything including the imperium itself if it turns from big es path. They have forbidden weapons and even spoilers
Men of iron for gods sakes in their ships. Their job was to fuck up whoever emperor wanted gone
@@bobakrabii6220 Yes, the Two edged sword, you all make me proud battle brothers.
It has been said that Calabanite lions were each unique entities, wholly apart from any other creature, and apex predators of thier lands. It is said that after succesfully hunting the last of the Calabanite Lions with the Order, that Lion el Johnson felt that he was now truly alone.
That mustache alone inspires total loyalty. The Lion is so cool.
He lost me when he Killed Nemiel for no plausible reason. Joined the deuchbag primarchs list that day.
@@PauloAlexoliveira He questioned the lion. Defied him to his face! He's lucky he got a quick death
@@PauloAlexoliveira Well I mean the Lion was never the most compassionate of Primarch's just look at the actions he took to capture Curze.
I Must-ach follow my legie!
It is a very nice looking mustache.
You are my Favorite 40k lore Master,...or even more Story Teller....
U give me everytime the feeling of 40k and your voice delivers the perfekt atmosphere....
Pls keep on doin this....Luv it , and cant wait for more...
Sry for my Englisch, im from germany, Berlin
We are all bonded by a saga battle brother, greetings from chile.
@Richie Dontrelle meh personal opinions, just that, i prefer Rho too, More Lore less Bullshit you know.
@Richie Dontrelle i'll check It out nightlord.
Loyalty is its own reward
Words to live by.
Didn't he sulk because he wasn't named Warmaster?
LoYaLtY iS iTs OwN rEwArD
@@Lameyoutubehandle so? He Is still loyal, go cry somewhere else warp punk.
@@Lameyoutubehandle I would too, if I knew my dodgy dickhead brother was given control of the emperors legions, instead of my superior self
He's an obnoxious arrogant brat 😂
I`m glad Gav Thorpe is still on board. He made most of the lore of my favourite Space Elfes
As long as it isn't C.S Goto I am okay with the writer.
Actually that was Rick Priestly and Jes Goodwin, but he did build on it. I like the way he's developed the Dark Angels.
That's why I love the rivalry between the Night Haunter and the Lion they both grew up alone and as hunters.
Thats their kinship too, after all the Lion never perform the deed of ending His brother's life, he saw too much of himself in him perhaps.
@@Dreadbringer Love the part when the Lion went "hunter" mode in his third battle against Curze. He sensed where Curze was and ultimately breaking his back
@@jonaski08 oh Yes, so hardcore.
Though i dont see Luthers squad winning against the Lion, even as a youngster, if he was killed there and then, that would have been the end for mankind, as not only he saved the six host of Angels of death from being disbanded by internal legión masters strugles by defeating everyone himself, but he ended the traitors homeworlds, adquire the most impresive of arsenals that would be in traitors hands, stopped curze for years, rally Blood angels and ultramarines to Terra, even ended whole xenos species and secret threats to mankind. Horus would have won and the Galaxy would have burned and be defiled by daemons.
the reason i loved 40k, no matter if u read/hear a new story or one u heard/read a million times, there is always a new view to everything. an example, i thought i knew about tyrranids, but today i played battlefleet gothic armada 2 as a tyranid for my 1st time.. the more i played the more i felt like a hive mind,the endless hunger the insticts and the non-stop moving forward. i played may games where u fight tyrranids..but i never had the understanding about them as i have now. 40k is awesome!!!
The Lion is one of the greatest of the Primarchs, his mind is so perpetually interesting. For he is a strategist, he looks upon everyone like they are prey.
"Of all the Primarchs, save perhaps Mortarion, Lion El'Jonson stands apart. Partially this is due to his taciturn nature - a brooding silence hangs over him at all times. Yet there is something more... something buried beneath his noble exterior. Perhaps this is a result of his upbringing, growing to maturity along in the monster-ridden forests of Caliban. Even at a council of war, the Lion moves like an apex predator. He is always watching, always planning, always hunting. He unnerves even his brothers."
Malcador himself
@@jackmyers8687 Malcador is very wise. He himself saw the Emperor for all his own flaws, and accepted him. For the Emperor's plan is the only true hope for Mankind.
...To the point Deamons fear him!
@@setaripantheon8801 Slaaneshi Daemon glances at the Lion, goes "Nope!" and goes in the opposite direction.
@@darkinnovator2479 he made the "teleport Deamon" submit to him in fear with a clans and took a chunk out of The Night Lord's thanks to it! - HH book proof
Can we get a episode or two talking about the rivalry between Johnson and Russ?
It sums all up in few paragraphs and now after 999.M41 we have some sort of bromance with sons of Russ
What rivalry? Its the Legions now "chapters" that hold the rivalry, like ingwar said, now they aré Best of friends, even sharing fenrisian ale and caliban wine.
Not again, we had Russ preaching last week about the virtues of the sons of Russ during Magnus week. Don’t let him get started with another biased view of another brother. He can do those during Russ week.🤣😉
Newbie question: has any primarch been shown to have familial love towards any of his adopted family? Did Lion feel any love towards Luther, even when they fought? It's like I always hear that a primarch has a new family, they either go bad or they are just forgotten or just disappear into the faceless ranks of the imperium.
Lorgar, Magnus, Russ and The Lion all had there father figure changed into Legionaries or at least Proto Legionaries. Kor Phaeron, Amon, Black Blood and Luther were all ascended on there sons orders. Definitely interesting dynamic. Also, Roboute actually had his adopted mother as an advisor!
The lion is said to have been pained at the thought of fighting Luther, resulting in his holding back so much a (admittedly chaos united infused) proto legionnaire could mortally wound him. It's ultimately a very mirrored story to the Emperor vs Horus and likely similar in terms of power difference.
Emps one shot Horus once he gave up on him, but lion couldn't bring himself to go that far. He is one of the strongest fighters out of his brothers, at least top 3, so it shouldn't have even been more than a single hit after all.
Dorn has his granddad's blanket. Robute idolised Konor his adoptive father.
Vulkan was very close to his father and fought for his village against the dark eldar
Guilliman loved his adopted mother so much that she eventually became a leader and advisor of Ultramar. She would even call him boy during political meetings. It’s honestly wholesome and is one of the best parent/child relationships of the primarchs aside from Rogal Dorn and his grandfather
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You can take the Lion out of the Forest, but you can't take the Forest out of the Lion. He spent his formative years surrounded by trees and not people, and fighting for his life. I'm not his biggest fan, but no wonder he's paranoid and apt to distrust people.
Also says a lot for keeping the wild side contained. He grew up killing beasts on a death world by hand but acts pretty stately else-wise.
What i found interesting is that Calaban have bolters and chainswords even before the Emperor and his Legions found them
Not overly surprising, bolters and chainswords are golden age technology that's still used. it's inevitable out of the millions of worlds at least some of them would retain the technology, or at the very least "relics" from days past
They also had primitive versions of power armor.
First baldermort now you! My afternoon is turning out pretty good! Outstanding video my friend
Oculus Imperia too :)
I want this Fight so bad , I would wake a sleeping Lion!
What fight?
Horus VS Sanguinius.... again....... who do you think....... The Lion VS Luther
@@Duppyman695 the Lion would have win.
@@Dreadbringer Yeah I agree , however is it now a warp infused Luther....?
@@Duppyman695 well adding four gods to help you? Kind of a dirty cheat
Has anyone tried this
WAKEY WAKEY LION
"Russ is better fighter/Father loved Sanguinius more/Horus was best choice for Warmaster"
Lions eyes glows red.
First legión, so loyal they dont want to brother him.
"Curze is just down the hall!"
[Lion springs upright]
To be honest? I think Luther saved Lion here. He was young, exhausted, wounded, unarmed and there was more less 10 knights with bolters. If they hit Lion enought times, and then chopped him up with chainswords, they could have kill him.
Also. One of very few things I didn't like in this book is that it confirms that Primarchs always grow super fast and super strong. I was hoping they would have a natural human development, only keep growing and developing their body after reaching typical human statue. I think it would be better then primarchs always being superior even as children but it's really minor thing.
Return the Lion to us!
Yes! Mankind needs him now.
I have enjoyed your other reviews even if I hadn't had a chance to read my copy yet. This is one book I was able to read before your review and I enjoyed it. For me the fact that Luthor would tell stories of his time on Caliban was a way for him to try and teach the Grand Masters lessons. The fact that they ignored his lessons says much about how fanatical the DA have become.
Counter-point: for Luther who grew up in a feudal society then watched the Emperor effectively create the same on a galactic level, the fact that the Emperor could not "run his own house" as it were, showed he was unfit as a monarch. Half his sons turned against him and started prosecuting a war against him which indicated he had issues with creating and maintaining loyalty. Regardless of whatever platitudes the Emperor may have said and had iterators spout ad nauseum, the existence of the Astartes, the Auxilia, and Titan Legions indicated the Emperor was a "might makes right" sort of ruler. By that conceit, if the "traitor" sons were winning, they clearly had to be in the right, or, at the very least, we're proving to be more effective leaders and potential future monarchs than the Emperor.
Next, consider the fact that Lion was not on Caliban to instruct Luther "by the way, we're staying loyal, k?" leaving Luther to wonder, "okay, so which side are we on?" when agents of the Imperium started making demands of him. Luther's lack of committing to either side of morally reprehensible leaders in a fight that wasn't his without at least someone better-dealing him is probably the most rational reaction any character in the HH/40k universe has ever had. Even when I knew very little about the hobby, I never could wrap my mind quite around the idea of "Luther is a bad guy" and the more I learn, the less like one he really seems.
Part of me misses the old lore were it was hinted that Luther was loyal, but the Primarch is the one who rebelled.
Russ may have adopted the guise of a beast but he was no beast the lion on the other hand was a beast in the guise of a man.
Oh this whole time I thought they were knights slaying monsters with swords and stuff not bolter fire
While I may still think the Dark Angels are a bunch of green-clad kittens, (Glory to the 6th and the Wolf King!) I am loving how much their story has expanded... so my hate is sprinkled with at the very least a little respect for just how similarly different the Lion and the Wolf really are. Makes the rivalry all the more potent I think. Though it does make me wonder, if all the Primarchs were raised on Terra as they should have been, I think the Master of Kittens and the Lord of Puppers could have been the closest of friends
They were the closest friends anyway, I'm pretty sure there's a book where it states that Russ was the only one the Lion ever called brother, don't know if that's still true.
When the Lion returns Russ won't be far behind, I honestly half expect them to have an honour duel to decide who gets to bump off Angron or something.
All will be understood. All will be revealed. All will be forgiven. When the lion sword is reforged. ⚔️ 🗡️
I don't think he really struggles with human relations or with his brothers as much as people think. I think it suits him to stay at arms length. I just love the character; he always pops off the page whenever he makes an appearance. Mostly I think because you just never really know what you will get with him. He can be noble and wise; sometimes downright cool. Others he can be pretty intense if not outright scary. But in the dire days of the heresy, he was the hero the imperium needed. Insanely powerful, brilliant and ruthless. A maverick, yes, but a marquis player nonetheless. I really hope we see him again.
Those thoughts of The Lion border on heresy brother. I'll be watching you more closely for taint.
Damn the thumbnail rocks. It's just sad that there's no lionesses worthy enough to walk beside this lion.
Sister of battle living saint Will do. You Will not mourn her when she died, since she will come back.
Would have been pretty cool if he had adopted a giant pet lion from the Caliban Jungles....but I guess Russ has the monopoly of having cool pets.
Put some powder and lipstick on Sanguinius or Fulgrim then you will have what you want.
@@hieuphungminh6690 only on Fulgrim. Let me remind you Sanguinius is the alpha+ man if you know what he did to kabanda and other demons
@@rocci99 the lion would never pair with a sister of battle, if/when he returns, the ecclisiarchy are as good as doomed.
Man-handles warp creatures as a boy with bare hands, no power armour, no blessed weapons or knowledge of demonic names. What a boss.
Roboute, Give him The Emperors Sword, it is wasted upon thee.
Lion was always powerful but lacking that humanity due to his upbringing. His one true flaw.
I also think there is a lot we don't know about ciphers he is since claimants fall
I think he'd have killed their entire party, I didn't know much about the DA or the Lion but now I must know....
Listening to Luetin, this autoplayed. Thought you were talking about some dude named Loofa until I looked up the title.
There's about 5000 short films that if well made with full production I just really want to see from the 40k universe
Noooooooo, no no no, not Gav Thorpe, fuck, I dont need any more toilet paper.
Caleban knight : what are you?
Naked boi point toward himself : tar-a-zan.
The Father of The First
I would point out, it is possible that cypher has not betrayed the lion at all. Eye of Ezekiel points to him following the Lions orders.
I mean you have to admit primarch who just conquered world's from the people that's cool but the ones who conquered world's from people and had to kill monsters before they joined the imperium much better
Ferris Konrad Lion Mortarion
All primarch who didn't get raised by proper humans and had to murder monsters really cool
The audiobook is very enjoyable but criminally short at around 7 hours
Can we get a video on cypher?
Denied, Primarch level access code needed for file, for more information contact Tech Priest or surf 73256 at Solar Segmentum sector 3
This is one of those HH/40K novels that is WAY better in audiobook form. That's not me saying it's in any way a bad read. It's just that the peculiar structure of this particular novel works better listened to!
My thought at the end was that Luther had given Cypher the kill anything Death Guard rusty spoon blade o' chaos, was going to use it on the he him who is was will be on terras golden throne, only for Guilliman to have him .... stored indefinitely beneath the Imperial Palace.
GW needs to wake the Lion and create a model. Push the story forward. Dark angels build a legion. What would guilliman do?
run and hide behind his Eldar Girlfriends skirt
Imagine if the dark angels reconsolidate under the lion, and become “renegade” or fight Guilliman for power
It is not so much about what guiliman could do at this point I'm he has regret some things about the condex Astartes especially the part of split up the legions the real problems are the high lords the eclisiarcy and the inquisition who I 100% sure are not gonna react very well on this even if the Lion don't give a fuck about them, they have who knows how military and paramilitary organisations under there feet and they are known for don't fear to use them I believe you saw how they react to guilimans return how about an entire legion of space marines with there primarch , emperor protect
@@sugondeeez6265 "imagine" renegade Dark Angels...
@@NP3GA Gulliman disbanded the high lords save for the Assassinorum. And besides the Ecclesiarchy isn't going to strike against the Lion.
If they did kill the Lion back then, Big E would of had the planet atomized.
Brother, help me, I fell.
Love your videos keep up the good work
I actually think cyp her could be freezing going by ciphers circulating towards terra
3.00min
one of the Best DA Backgrounds i have on my PC! Just Love this one so much. Damn this Armor is Sexy!
Waaaaaaiiit... there were Bolters on Caliban before the primarchs were fully grown?
Before the great crusade had left earth?
When the Astartes were still using Volkite weapons, thus before the bolter was invented by necessity?
Tzeench has a hand in this, I'm sure of it!
Fallen and dark angels
Both thinking the other was a traitor
Both stayed so secret
Did the people on caliban have bolters before the Emperor came?
Shooting actual bolts
I know I was wondering that too
I though that was after the coming of the Emperor too, but they WERE technoknights
"Since the Dark Age of Technology there had been colonists.
(…) Erosion was a foe more dangerous than any other, and more highly prized than war leaders were engineers and masons. King-artisans ruled some lands, hoarding the secrets of forebears who knew of strut and buttress, guarding for themselves vaults containing the secret equations that had once guided the first machines to build walls and roofs on this world. It was the work of the ancients, archeotech. Later I would learn another name for such technology from the servants of the Emperor and the agents of the Machine-God. Standard template construct. The engines no longer worked nor could be found, but we had designs that had survived Old Night, and even a handful that Mars and Terra had forgotten."
(Gav Thorpe, "Luther: First of the Fallen")
@@skywatcheradept Many thanks cousin.
I find listening at 1.25 speed and skipping the constant repetition of lines along with the commentary (that adds very little) makes these videos immeasurably better.
I take advantage to roll a joint.
Gotta milk the upload time to 15-20 minutes for max visibility even tho everything could be said in 5-10 minutes
@@warlordjr.jr. i kinda like It the way It Is, hope It would last longer even.
@@Dreadbringer I can dig that I like it too most of the time just not the circling repetition of summing up what he just summed up in the same words. I recommend Only War's stuff he sounds similar but has much longer videos
The best of them all
My big theory as always been that the lion actually turned to chaos and not Luther, and that the legion orchestrated Luther's betrayal to cover it up at the end of the heresy. He spent so much time in the forests that already corrupted all of the beasts living there so it stands to reason that even a Primarch living out most of his childhood in the forests would suffer some degree of taint.
This means that the fallen are actually the ones fighting for the Redemption of the legion and they are attempting to find Luther who is the only one who knows the truth.
What other kind of secret would the loyalist dark Angels go to such length to protect? It would have to be one of such magnitude that if discovered would spell the doom of the legion, and a tainted Primarch would do just that.
Recent books have kind of poked holes in this theory but I still like it.
It's also kind of fun to play with the fact that the alpha legion might have a Primarch who may be secretly loyal, so why wouldn't the loyalists have one that is secretly a traitor?
Alpharius and omegon. Luther and lion.
Both legions are secretive. Both are clearly have their own clandestine goals.
I don't know... It just seems to line up
Yes asmodai this comment right here.
Wait, they had bolters on Caliban at the time the Lion was discovered? I thought they were a medieval-level world, that was always something I thought was cool. How disappointing. Even if they had bits of old tech around, them just having bolters specifically seems... weird? And boring?
Not so current and not so Many, they were technoknights and had what little archeotech was left in each Citadel or monastery fortresses of the órders.
Lion wouldve murdered Luther and knights even tho he was wounded. He killed local apex predator with mid difficulty and suffered minor bulletwounds (for a primarch) when they shot at him. They mayve been able to further damage him but not kill
I wonder why Luther and Lion didn’t have the father and son thing going on . To me Guilliman’s relationship with Konor I feel the most important relationship in entire setting considering how important Roboute is to current setting. I bet Lion would have become the war master had Luther loved him it would has smoothed the rough edges of the Lion’s personality.
Becouse Luther was jelous and afraid, so It was kept More like mentorship, still the clósest person to the Lion probably.
@@Dreadbringer 💔that’s kinda sad .
@@MrJara1018 well its warhammer, after all the Primarchs purpose was to cleanse a Path for.mankind to develop and grow, what the traitors forgot Is that they aré tools for this to happen, they arent meant for happy lives, they aré our shield and swords against the abyss.
Simple jealously, really. And that's the biggest tragedy of it all. Luther, had the Lion never been found or landed on Caliban, likely would have become Caliban's most legendary Knight - a name known far and wide, and would have been told for centuries to come. He would have been great, had the people of Caliban not stumbled upon a living demi-god. Compared to that, Luther was nothing.
Sad as it is to say: It was inevitable. Even more so when the Lion could barely hold much weight in a casual social conversation - even amongst his fellow Primarchs.
Luther Captain Ginyu'd the Lion as his final "psychic blow". That's why Luther is said to have "gone mad" when he was captured. The Lion is actually Luther, Luther is resting within the Lion's body, being kept in stasis. LutherLion is driven mad by centuries of physical and psychic torture, convinced he IS Luther and eventually escapes the Rock following the formation of the Great Rift to lead the Fallen to redemption.
Its a good theory though i doubt they'll go for It.
@@Dreadbringer Yeah it would definitely ruin their bottom line, unless they made it into some Guilliman esque plot point where the Lion's body is returned/revived through some complicated team effort across multiple races that they can make into a profitable book series.
@@standarddeviation7963 im.hoping for the whole Galaxy yo escalate things further, bringing back Primarchs and traitors and empowering other xenos species too so thing go way More over the top than before, Lets keep the lore flowing, and Lets keep the lore épic.
Bolt is to a primarch less that rubber bullet to some powerlifter
Had they killed Lion at that point when he was a child I doubt caliban would have even been a part of the emperium.
First off it was the Lion who ordered all the beasts of Caliban yo be slain (the beasts which we now know were chaos spawns) so when the emperium arrived to see it crawling we chaos daemons and spawns the Emperor would have ordered exterminatus to keep it quiet.
Secondly I believe the rebellion against the unification with the emperium would still have taken place (should my first statement not have taken place) ultimately seeing all of the Caliban natives killed and repopulate to make use of the planet; or yet again.....Exterminatus!
Didn't know this was World of Warcraft related..
They had bolters and chainswords? I thought The Big E introduced the universe to the bolter?
They didn't have proper bolters... more like ancient prototype bolters.
The thunder warriors also used similar weapons. I would venture the guess that chainsword and bolters are older than the unification wars, possibly and probably going back to the dark age.
The 30k mecanicum and emperor just upgraded or revised the weaponry.
Descent of angels refers to as much
@@mattruecker5861 Thanks. I'm trying to decide what books to add to the cue. It's overwhelming.
More Lion!! xD
Nooice!
Its kinda like anakin and obi wan but if obi wan turned to the dark side
Or more like if Obi-wan realized the Jedi order effectively kidnapped children, forced them to become part of their pseudo-religious constabulary that wasn't accountable to anyone and made their own decisions about law, society, culture, and both domestic and international affairs, actively hunted-down and tried to exterminate any other iteration of the pseudo-religious constabulary, and did it all while claimed to be the good guy. The layer upon layer of irony in it all is almost too meta to be real.
Yeah is under the rock x) I know this like 4 years ago is logic
What??!!?? Hell yeah
Wait how does Luther and those knights have Bolters before they meat Lion? Didn't they get them from the Empire?
If I remember correctly, Caliban did have some imperium level tech, but only a few weapons and bits.
Caliban had ancient bolters, chainswords and power armor from before The Long Night.
Random question and hopefully will get an answer. So I've started the Horus Heresy properly ( I know basic plots of the books up to I think Mechanicum) and just finished Decent of Angels last night. So I know the Lion sending Luther and Zahariel back to Caliban is the start of the setup for The Fallen but don't know if The Fallen are Chaos corrupted too in 30 or 40k
The meme is kind of that some are/some arent. Some straight up turned on emps, others just didnt like how they were treated and after the split they melded into the background. Majority do seem at the very least, criminally disloyal to the emperor, chaos or not.
@@dave-ish8098 Thanks for the reply. Helps a little in better framing them for me.
@@matt36866 yep some aré warped some not,.some where hunted and some repented, but they aré traitors still.
Anyone know when Godblight or any of the animations are coming out? They seem to advertize a new animation every couple of weeks but they haven't released one yet.
Wait what happened to tyranid week?
I like your theories, but you are completely missing the_most_important_thing about what GW has done to the Dark Angels. They have stuck us with Gav "Matt Ward v1.0" Thorpe.
No amount of good storytelling, lore hope, or sense will we ever taste while this remains so. Sure would be nice if THE FIRST got an author worthy of writing their past, current, and future lore, IMHO.
But, WTF do I know. Only been a Dark Angel Player and Collector since Rogue Trader dropped.
Waaah why thing change?
CAN YOU DO A TIER LIST AFTER VALRAK RELEASED THIS ABSOLUTE HERESY?
What did valrak do this time, I swear that boy...
The question is how much of this is true, how much is allegory, and how much is BS? Given the question was about Cypher, and Luther started talking about Lion, I would say this is allegorical. The DA use of allegory in the initiation of the Deathwing....
As it strictlt contradict what luther said earlier about their First meeting i would consider it a lie
Is the portrait in this video depicting Lion or Luther?
The first found? Horus * am I a joke to you*
Alpharius has something to say to the Lion and Horus lol
The Lion is the master hunter of beasts, Russ is the master of hunting men (and Primarchs). The Khan is the master of hunting freedom.
can they bloody bring back another primarch already jeeeeesh, games workshop really drags things out dont they. It better not be another 10 years before we got another loyalist primarch. Lion or Dorn would be awesome... Leman Russ would be okay too but i think Russ wouldnt really care too much to help the imperium as a whole.
You know how long it took for us to get the current set right?
@@mileshill7196 aye, too damn long.
what if the watchers freed Luther
hype
U do realise the old school wh40k fans are pushing 50+ right! they'll be in a coffin before Lion gets out of his at this rate... come GW
You have to consider the source. Luther is a mouthpiece of Tzeench as Sen Ron Johnson of Wisconsin is for Putin.
Reading the book, I low key always thought he was Black.
Primarchs and Astartes can change the melanin content of their skin on the fly so he can be if he wants and/or needs.
@@RichieW It's an adaptive part of there Melenchromic organ. Helps deal with radiation and such. Only ones who can't are Corax, Curze and Vulkan.
With a name like Lionel, it’s understandable (Lionel Richie as an example). But lion was named after Lionel Johnson, an English poet who was BFFs with Oscar Wilde in late 1800s. Take that for what you will.
but they can all change their skin tone at will or at least dynamically with the solar radiation their skin is getting.
I think the lion had some sort of autism. He was an absolute badass, no question there. But in some of the novels he couldn't pick up certain things. Maybe I am mistaken.
If you consider autism as a different function as opposed to a disfunction, it's a facinating idea
Cough cough Alpharius first cough * 🙃
Rho you can't just put that text in your thumbnail like that man. Almost gave me a heart attack thinking they brought back the Lion lol.
We always can hope my friend the knight of Caliban will soon return to the Imperium
@@NP3GA Further that he is given his rightful place as Warmaster.
Have patience battle brother, we aré awaiting His return to rally as Legión again.
Me personally I don't want the lion to return because I feel like he'd be the cause of a war that will weaken the imperium even further
He'd burn solar system after planet
Doub It though probably he'll go after the religión
@@Dreadbringer Yeah, he'd destroy everywhere they had sway.
@@Dreadbringer having speed read Mortis, there's a chance the Lion will kill every last Dark Angel just to make sure the character of The Order is erraised with the possibility of going full primaris after that...
@@BandOfHarjaps mmm he would assign suicide run missions and send DA as hit squads against imposible odds before killing them, he Is a pragmatist at heart, but i believe he Will rally the unforgiven Many chapters and the fallen togheter and go to erase and purge Xenos & daemon planets again and on His way to Terra, to gather with Guilliman and kneel to the Emperor for guidance and mission parámeters, probably Will become the new warmaster or something like that, and the Imperium Will go to the ofensive again!!!
Damn click bait lol 😂 Any way, No Luther regrets not killing the lion and he’s telling these Dark Angels his side of the story, basically saying the lion is corrupted by chaos and that’s why he turned traitor for the good of the legion and his home world no doubt, lol trying to make himself the good guy when he’s not lol
I just want you to know you have ruined "Hey Everyone" for us all who watch your videos. Now everytime someone says that in day to day life or on YT we all whisper under our breaths "...Wolf Lord Rho here".
Dark angels are lame sorry folks but it’s true
Why?
you oversell the lion too much...he's just an uninspired bland character...they try to flourish hikm into something meaningful but all the parts are allreay taken...the lion simply has zero importance..he's just needless filler....just like his bland coulourless legion
ASMODAAAIIII!!!!! MAKE HIM REPENT!!!!!!!!
Such a neophyte, dont even brother torturing this one His well beyond reason.