MAGNUS THE RED AND PERTURABO! A BOND OF BROTHERS
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- Опубліковано 11 кві 2021
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Today we begin our next Primarch week special... Magnus the Red Week! And where better to begin then by discussing how Magnus was always his own worst enemy...
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M: Perturabo why did you destroy it
P: Because Magnus, chaos is cringe
Big E: Based
It shows how much Perturabo respects Magnus. He didn't smash his face into the device 😂
Perturabo has always had a seriously keen eye and instinct to know when someone is manipulating him
He really is underestimated a lot. Even Horus made this mistake at the Siege of Terra.
Maybe the way he trashed the divice in front of Magnus was also to punish him for using his powers to try to influence his mind
Except when it's Fulgrim.
@@PsychopathUltimate For all Pert went on about everyone underestimating him, he seemed guilty of the same thing with Fulgrim. Everyone thinks he's a pretty Peacock, but he's quite possibly the most dangerous Traitor Primarch in a fight since he's the only one (other than Horus) that killed a loyalist Primarch.
@@randomcenturion7264 Uhhh, is Konrad Curze a joke to you????
;)
Magnus daddy from Propero: Don't peer to deep into the warp.
Emp: Don't peer to deep into the warp.
Now we get Perturabo warning Magnus.
@MAXIME RAMPEN UNLIMITED POWAAAAAH!
The Warp: "Stop looking into me you little shit!"
@@VallornDeathblade lol, I'm sure Tzeentch is like..
Yeah, all according to plan
Doesn't Magnus warn Lorgar about the dangers of the warp?
@@gwilym1991 exactly lol.
Let the others comment further 😅
The Lord of Iron is one Dad hug away from coming back to the light.
Sooo he’s the most lost and damned considering how e-boi is
It was weird how much they got on so well, yet Perturabo didn't have any librarians in his legion. Several times its stated he was one of the most vocal against there inclusion. I suppose it just goes to show you can be friends (even brothers) without agreement about everything.
Nah not at all. It's big brain. That's all it is magnus in the warp sense an perty in the real world. Both arguably the very best of the traitors. Both are sides of a coin but they respect each other because they like the others intellectual
A moral more people need to learn things day and age….. if anything in warhammer society is better than the current society then we’re fucking up hard
Perturabo is an often misunderstood character, imo. He's far more similar to Magnus than most people seem to think. They both chafe under the Great Crusade, because their first priorities were on intellectual pursuits. In Magnus case, he was obsessed with psychic phenomena and the warp, in Perturabo's case, his greatest hope throughout his life was to engineer a better future for humanity.
Later in the novel, Perturabo tells Magnus that he consider Magnus to be his favorite brother, and worried about what would happen if the Imperium was to lose him. I honestly think Magnus and Perturabo were on the same level of Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus, even if there hasn't been a moment between them along the lines of the forging of Worldbreaker and Fireblade.
I think theirs is just that they see a mirror of them self they are both beyond their brothers in terms of smarts. An perty is arguably one of the most warp resistant an able to deal with the effects
Happens when he is getting retconned into a proper character with the HH books
@@Michaentuswhat book? I’m two in and need some motivation to make it through 😂 these get so dense
I always loves Perturabo...even he was a very cold person.
But I like his quality, his staunchness and how honourable he is. That's why he is amongst my favourite Primach...I only he stayed loyalist, surely the setting would be Ultimately different
What Perturabo said about cruelty being necessary after breaking the device....reminds me a lot of Monarchia
Imagine if was the 4th on that day
That is an interesting insight.
@@obrasilius6733 probably would make more sense honestly. Seems like a cold grim task the Iron warriors are known to do. However I wonder if this would mean the Iron warriors would begrudgingly stay with the emperor as I doubt Lorgar would be keen on having the Iron warriors hang around during the heresy.
" . . .Of all of us, father made me the strongest, physically, I have no equal amongst my siblings. . ." Vulkan to Konrad Curze.
Ferrus and Mortarion tend to disagree. Perturabo as well.
@@kubapiwowarczyk599 pure raw physical strength is Vulkan, the others can disagree but they are wrong -Citation needed
Source: Dude trust me
I’m gonna have to side with vulkan on this one. Plus tbh do any only them really know his raw strength, it makes perfect sense he’s never gone out against anyone before and how bad he beat a fully armored Kurze while naked says a lot.
After his 30th death
Vulkan was undoubtedly the physically strongest. Though their where many who could beat him in melee combat. The lion, angle, probably fulgrim, and a few more I don’t think Vulcan was very powerful when it came to fighting not the weakest though. I think the next strongest was a angron and wasn’t magnus incredible strong to. He did destroy russes heart with a punch. Opening given or not it was done
Friendships like this makes the Heresy a lot more sadder than already is...
I feel like of all the primarchs, magnus had one of the closer bonds with his legionaries, literally turning down forgiveness from the emperor because it would have cost him his sons, and little bits like him telling them they could do better, like a dad saying "Ya thats cool and all, you guys are cooler though" to his kids or something.
And it cost him damnation for all time so was it really worth it?
@@MSmith-sd9ci at least he wasnt Angron.
@@MSmith-sd9ci Yes.
@@MSmith-sd9ci id argue that yes it was this probably shows he is above every single other traitor. Actually loved his sons an did anything he could for them
Don't forget he traded one of his eyes to stop the flesh change and save them when he was found.
This actually pretty cool, the finalists of the traitor legion war both in one video, clever.
I'd love to see if their brotherhood is still alive after their respective apotheosis. It would be weirdly heartwarming to see two daemon primarchs hugging like nothing changed afterall
Perturabo never became a deamon primarch, i think only 6 of them did (the four dedicated+ Lorgar+Horus)
@@AstNiks yes he did
Yeah, he did, makes no sense, but it might be because of a wound he sustained from a character I can’t remember the name of. (I think it was Dragon something? Not 100% sure).
@@AstNiks Horus, to my knowledge, never fully ascended. Lorgar resented his lack of devotion towards the pantheon and his desire to "steal" their powers without fully giving into them.
@@Ventruethful yes he did he just didn't know it.
Perty: "You know what our father said about the warp back in...."
Magnus: "Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gimmee the thingy!"
Yup, Ol Magny Magic was definitely his own worst enemy.
Too much certainty in himself. Like father like son.
As always a great choice of story. Magnus and Perturabo ended up having one of the more touching understated friendships of the Primarch Brothers.
One of the few with perty I really enjoyed
Fun fact: The Antykithera mechanism does really exist. It is a mysterious, ancient artifact that might have been something like an early computer to calculate astronomic movements and/ or a calendar.
Yeah! I do love they referenced it in this book!
It's an old part of the golden throne.
@@djc1375 Plotwist, we are the living quartstone of humanity that survived 40k
There is a truly touching moment between them in this book. Magnus has just accomplished and survived a truly epic feat. One of those events, that made the legends of the Primarch. Magnus then regain consciousness, and Perturabo is there to literally embrace him Vulkan-style, calling him one of his truly few beloved friends! It's downright heartwarming. And both Perturabo and Magnus keep thinking respectfully about each other right up to current Siege of Terra books.
I really wish some of the traitors primarch had kept being on good terms with at least another primarch (traitor or not). I think this would make them more interesting.
@@dragonmares59110 Magnus and Perturabo was probably the last somewhat affectionate pair of brothers on the Traitors side. The loyalists will first begin to fall apart after Big E is thronebound I think.
It’s not just arrogance, it’s curiosity. He represents curiosity and the search for knowledge. He knows there is something more in the warp. He knows there are things about it his father is hiding. From his perspective, he should find out what is going on there. He was no reason not to delve into the warp, only that an authority figure said no, but offered no explanation. Come on, any person who is smart and curious is going to try and figure out the why, probably by doing the very thing. This is why parents need to explain things to their kids and teach them the meaning behind rules, not just set a bunch of arbitrary limits that later they realize were bs. That kinda feels like magnus. A smart curious rebellious teen who is learning things for himself because his conservative dad never taught him anything just said “no, because I said so”. Then bam before you know it the poor uninformed kid gets caught up in a chaos gang lol.
100% this is arguably the biggest stuff up of the emperor. Had these 2 known about chaso had they have been given the tools to fight it not a single chance horus even gets istivan 5. These 2 as a team curb stomp the entire rebellion before it happens
Precisely. Helps that this was how my parents raised my younger siblings and I. They had rules and they explained why those rules were in place. They gave logical arguments and their own experiences. They *talked to us.* Emps didn't do that because 'the risk was too great.' Look where it got him.
The issue is if the Emperor told Magnus about the Warp specifically Chaos, it would stop his curiosity his thirst to know more ...
@@Ower8x but if you tell him about evil warp gods and stuff then he would be more prepared when tentacle monsters come and offer deals.
However at this point in time of this book, Magnus already sacrificed his eye to Tzeentch to stop the flesh change within his legion. At this point he is already shackled by the god of change.
And people wonder why Perty was suspicious of other people manipulating him...even his must "trusted" brother...kinda betrayed him...using Psy subtle machinations...so sad...
And Magnus trying to tell Perty "I am going into the Warp..." and Perty is like "I have that THING always looking at me and that THING is EVIL...nah Magnus...no warp machines for you..."
Iron Within...
IRON WITHOUT!
IRON WITHOUT!
IRON WITHOUT!
IRON WITHOUT!
IRON WITHOUT!
Can we appreciate the fact that the Death Masks artwork seems to place the Primarchs to the left to the perfect match of them to the right - Magnus-Leman, Gulliman-Lorgar, Sanguinius-Horus, Fulgrim-Ferrus etc.
I think if Konrad, Mortarion, Angron and Alpharius are rotated clockwise the entire thing would be perfect. Otherwise their matches don't make sense.
So you're telling me my too favorite Primarchs were/are bros?
Hell yeah!
_Why did I automatically gravitate towards to the two nerds?_
Nerd
@@TheHandofDestiny You looked up to Magnus, and are just as big a nerd.
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen And that was a mistake I will not do again
Lets be honest. Its because we are nerds to and thats why we like them the best. :)
@@karaya111 Hallelujah! Someone speaks the truth.
Everybody seems to ignore the fact that Perturabo made an apparatus that could break the Navegator´s monopoly on Long Warp Travel, as Magnus stated that it would allow humans without their gifts to navegate in the Great Ocean, Imagine how this could actualy benefit the Imperium in soo many ways.
something something Alfred Nobel boom boom help with mining...
My guess is the same would happen with this device.
Yes omg someone finally said it. The Antikythera will help with plotting out courses with the warp and real space. The Antikythera in real life were used as some sort of ancient star chart. Magnus was literally just using the blueprint on how to create the machine just like what the Mechanicus is doing with stc blueprints. It does not make sense to break such valuable machine! Why is the Mechanicus allowed to rebuild lost dark age tech with stc's that doomed humanity and the TS aren't allowed to build warp navigation tools?! How is a map going to corrupt someone's soul and damn them for all eternity
@@flameknightplayz2939''It does not make sense to break such valuable machine!'' Consider the following, Primarchs have perfect memory, they will not forget a thing, and that include how to build things, If Perturabo Builds something for the first time, even if the blueprints were gone, he will be capable of building it again from memory, the fact that he did it for the first time ment that he is still capable of making another, be before or after the Heresy.
@@flameknightplayz2939 remember this is Perturabo. He can reverse engineer his own work from memory if he wants. If was the symbolism of the act that mattered, both knew such Information was stored in both of their minds
Magnus stubborn that he's right, and his nature, is soooooooo much reflecting of what the Emperor is like too lol, like father like son
I wish I could give this ten likes all at once.
@@brigidtheirish lol thank you.. But you get my sentiment right?
@@MrMysticphantom Far too well. Magnus is one of my favorite primarchs but, good grief, he has way to much of his father in him.
Doesn't help that he usually is right and people still tell him he's wrong. It gets him used to dismissing people who tell him he's wrong as idiots.
Magnus always let his curiosity and overconfidence, ignore the possible negative outcomes. always XD
He always knew the negative consequences for his actions. but downplayed them.
And I think Perturabo's action in this case was on point. He didn't knew Magnus better than the emperor. But he understood him better , and this proves it. He never tried to nullify or disown Magnus, but showed him that he would sacrifice a lot in order to prevent him from going down the wrong path. (remember that when he destroyed the "sextant", he crushed other of his own irreplaceable masterpieces that where on that table)
After this Magnus actually dials down on his more unbound actions until the council of Nikea.
And this is a passage that exemplifies why I think "hammer of Olympia" novel falls horribly short. You can see more of the personality and what makes Perturabo tick in "Master of Prospero" than in his own novel.
"Master of Prospero" covers both primarchs marvelously. and portrays how much both primarchs care about their brother.
This is great! It not only shows that the Lord of Iron is capable of love. But a Tough Love that Magnus desperately needed
Perturabo's warning was indeed genuine. Magnus should have heeded them from the very beginning. Would have saved both him and his legion damnation.
was less that and more everyone else's fault/Big E's for not explaining his reasons for his rules.
@@DeathSithe92 big e probably the only character with countless, "What are you doing!!" moments. Could have done things better.
@@DeathSithe92A pretty accurate portrayal of a parent in that regard, if taken a bit to the extreme. They too know what's out there, and they too think their children won't understand their explanations, even though children are much smarter than they are given credit for.
"Would you like to look into the warp with this thing I designed, Magnus?"
"Yes, of course!"
*Grabs hammer* "No you don't."
What I like about the Primarchs is that they compel me to self reflect. If I were to choose a Primarch to be like it would be Jagatai. But when I am honest it would be Perturabo. I can empathize with Perturabo for trying so hard to do the best job but being to uncompromising that we blind ourselves to others or the feeling of being hurt when others don't consider feelings and troubles we face.
Great point, I think they are reflections of the human soul. I can see myself in all of them to a degree. The early writers of 40k were brilliant.
"Daaaaaaddddd!!!!!"
"What my son?"
"Magnus is being naughty again!"
'Magnus!!!!!! Get here ya little sh#t!"
I think this sums up the orders from the Emperor when he sent the Wolves and others (Custodes and SOS).
Horus changed it to "Russ, you should spank Magnus yerself"
Big E is why Maguns fell. Of all his sons, Magus was the one the Emperor could have told his plans to. About the Webway Project, and the Golden Throne. He could have told him the truth about the Primordial Annihilator. Had he brought him into his confidence Magnus would have stood with him, and not fallen.
The Emperor could have also fixed the flesh change before letting Magnus deal with Tzeentch for help in exchange for an eye.
@@MrFallenone The emperor used the warp to create the primarchs, so he prob couldn't fix the genetic flaw since the creation of the primarchs seems to have been more art than science.
This much was said in "the first heretic". Chaos party created the legions so Tzeentch probably placed that flaw in there and the emperor accepted it as a compromise.
Chaos lies, because chaos it self is a lie.
40K really does need a redemption storyline, 10,000 years is enough for someone to regret their decision. Bring Magnus and Ahrimen back into the fold, and let there be a giant showdown between demon Fulgrim and perfect clone Fulgrim.
actually both are shown in I forget which books to be regretful and sorrowful for what they have done and become, Arhiman though under a more arrogant approach is more an anti-hero than anything his reasons for wanting to find and locate the black library is to free his Primarch first from Tzeentch's strings and then with the combined help of magnus resurrect big E and then cut the influence Tzeentch has over the destinies of mankind so that humanity can write its own destiny, he's just a big asshole about going about doing it.
You always hear about Horus and Sanguineus, or Fulgrim & Ferris Manus, how these pairs of brothers had held such good bonds. What were the relationships like between all of the Primarchs? Were there any other Primarchs that had such unshakable bonds?
Magnus and Lorgar were also friends
Magnus may have been his worse enemy but I do not see any other way, in hi shoes, any of his bothers could have acted. The ruinous powers are devious and prepared his path before he was born. He HAD to do what it did to save his legion or he would have ended like his nameless 2 brothers. He did it for his thousand sons, which literally were neve more then a few thousand because of the curse.
Fulgrim did the same, trying to be the BEST to make up for the size of his legion. Even Sanguinius had to hide the genetic failing of his sons from the Emperor and his brothers.
Like Angron was doomed by the Nail, Maguns was doomed by the flaw in his legion, Fulgrim was doomed by the urgency to prove himself; behind this is the destructive will of the warp, like a small dot that slowly erodes the mountain. You can't defeat the ruinous powers playing at their game, something that even the Emperor had to learn.
I'm not really a 40 k fanatic and haven't read a single novel. Never the less , I await your uploads every week. Your passion and amazing voice really do this channel justice.
You really should read some of the books. Rho is an amazing orator and his insightful discussions are a fabulous way to discover just how amazing the series is as a whole.
NO PERT DON'T SMASH THE -
That hurt me right in the archaeology
I never knew Magnus and Perturabo were close brothers. This certainly changes my perspective of Perturabo considered many people always gave me their most negative view points on him. I should revisit your Perturabo week videos from last year to remember the things covered about him.
I look forward to the next video on Magnus.
That was one of the great moments from his Primarch novel, Magnus should've heeded Perturabo's warning but we all know Magnus can't resist stuff like that. His novel, with Valdor and Curze's novels are probably my favourite's in the series, with Perturabo's novel coming in after those.
The more I think about Magnus fall. Given the nature of what the Emperor has intended for him. Magnus should have been the Number 1 Primarch he hunted for. I feel like if he spent time with their long distances conversations explaining there’s something in the Warp coming for you and only after I train you in person will you be capable of facing it. He would have naturally avoided going too deep.
Instead he tried to wield the warp to show his father how worthy he was and as a result helped permanently maim the Imperium.
Similarly, after Nikea, the Emperor should have taken Magnus back to Terra to help with the Webway project; that way he could’ve kept an eye on him, would’ve had a strong asset in helping with the construction (plus as he always intended to plug Magnus into the Golden Throne, he would’ve had him on hand to do just that in case anything went wrong) and could’ve used it as a way to further placate the anti-psyker primarchs by telling them he’s dragging Magnus back to Terra as punishment so he can keep an eye on him. Plus he would’ve been able to use it to bring some Thousand Sons to Terra who like Magnus would’ve been useful in helping build the Webway portal and would’ve served as a good anti-daemon precaution in case things went wrong (and worst case they could’ve also been plugged into the Throne to give it a temporary boost).
I loved the book and I love Magnus as a character, despite his flaws.
I too believe "Knowledge is power, guard it well" us a great view. Magnus, however, is the ultimate example of "be careful what you wish for"
Brothers forever with those two
Perturabo is a Primarch that doesn't get near enough respect for how deep his character is. Much like Angron sadly. Thank you for the great work 😊
Angron should have saved everybody the trouble and jumped out an air lock
@@natesal5037 ok lol
Disagree on angron he gets a few interesting parts in betrayer but he's so far down the path of being broken that he's not deep nor interesting nor a likeable charcter
@@guilliman1990 I don't know I think it's still to early for ruling him out. Tho I I'm aware we all like different thing's. I do believe he was a great character
@@deffkon_c1242 i like angron too, to me personally his story so damn tragic, that i hope that SOMEHOW, we can get a redemtion arc for him
Magnus, much though I still admire and like him in many ways, really was his own undoing. His genuine love for his brothers and his hope for the psychic future of humanity were wonderful traits, and were the Warp even slightly less dangerous-- had the horrors seeded by the War in Heaven and spawned from the souls of Men and Eldar been even slightly less aware and malevolent-- his fascination with it and determination to study it in spite of admonishment could've been seen as just the mischievous disobedience of an eager child looking to learn new things and impress his brothers and father. But it wasn't, and so his curiosity and mild disobedience were nursed by T'zeentch with care into obsession, arrogance, and a willingness to even manipulate his closest brothers to avoid having to give up on his plans. So many times, he was told the hard truths (like here!), but was too convinced of his own rightness to hear them.
I don't even believe the Emperor would have maintained his ban on psychic studies for long after the end of the Crusade, as he would have finished the webway project and so he would have been able to devote time with Magnus to the study of how to develop humanity as a psychic race without worry about the stability and safety of every aspect of the Imperium and travel within it. The bittersweetness of the lore is as much because of how close things came to being made truly good for peaceful races as it is because of how grim things now are.
That arrogance and self-conviction weren't from being manipulated by Tzeench, they were traits he inherited from his father.
@@brigidtheirish Honestly I don't really disagree with you there, but I think that a key difference between the Emperor's self-assuredness and Magnus's was that the Big E genuinely did see just about everything there was to see about chaos and the Warp, and only really started to act in the universe a very long time after his awakening-- not to mention that by his nature he's less of a vulnerable individual and more an amalgamated and ritually-focused mass of hundreds, maybe thousands of souls. Whereas Magnus was acting with similar cockiness and confidence, and even more direct manipulation (as here) from a relatively much younger age and with far less actual experience and knowledge. Sure, the traits the Big E designed him for should be expected to be prevalent, but I can't help but feel like the taunts, encouragement, and prodding he received from warp entities and both directly and indirectly via T'zeentch made him feel and act far more arrogant and knowledgeable than he might have otherwise. But then, that's just my reading of the lore, who knows how Magnus would have turned out if Chaos hadn't been gunning for him right from the start 🤷 maybe his natural dominance over the Warp and rulership of Prospero would have led to those traits growing to unhealthy degrees anyways! Certainly agree he probably would've wound up showing some of his father's flaws regardless!
@@theroadstopshere Well, he probably wouldn't have wings and a shattered soul. Kinda annoyed about that. It's like GW is looking for any excuse to make certain characters irredeemable cartoon villains.
But, yeah, Magnus was extremely cocky.
@@brigidtheirish Yeah, fully agreed... I get that GW has been leaning more into the Imperium being the 'good guys' with the return of Guilliman and his more idealistic visions for humanity, but the fact that the fallen Primarchs (and renegade/fallen servants of the Imperium) all had their reasons and weren't just cartoonish villains was one of the strongest parts of the setting, and it feels like that's been lost somewhat recently. I'd much rather see a more nuanced take on Magnus, maybe with some of his more noble shards involved, and tbh all the fallen Primarchs. I'd love to hear Perturabo's thoughts on his daemonhood and the Warp now, or Lorgar's feelings on what the Emperor has become and how his godhood compares to that of Chaos.
@@theroadstopshere I'm kinda upset that they shattered Magnus's soul in the first place, leaving a cartoon villain behind. I'd like to see him chafing under Tzeench's rule, wanting to rebel but probably not *able* to directly, unlike before where he *didn't* want to rebel but was tricked into it (along with letting his massive ego get the best of him). And, yeah, some stuff on Perturabo, definitely. He usually comes across as petulant in the fandom (not without reason), but there's a really good character in there who was treated *very* badly. Heck. I'd like to see how Mortarian is taking daemonhood. Dude was an asshole even before the heresy, but he's also the primarch who was the *least* willing participant in his own fall.
I always find it interesting to see the interactions between the Primarchs and the Empapa ;) but between the brothers it is always epic, thanks for the awesome vid again mate!
I see the good intentions behind pertys actions here, but this isn’t going to teach magnus anything. It’s just going to piss him off lol. From his perspective there is no reason not to go looking. He has to know for himself. The only way to teach magnus about the dangers of the warp would be for his dad to be honest with him and teach him all about the gods of chaos. Then maggy wouldn’t be overcome with curiosity and distrust.
Was Magnus’ reason for not telling Perturabo what the device did because he knew it was wrong, or because he was worried Pert would have refused to make it if he knew? Remember, one of his reasons for trying to contact the Emperor to warn him about Horus in the manner he did instead of using an astropath or hopping onto the Photep and going in person was that he wanted to use it as a way to prove he was right about psykers and Nikea was a mistake, so it would be in keeping with his character for him to want to wait to say what the device did until after it was built and he could ‘show’ that it was safe.
It’s probably not surprising that Perturabo and Magnus were close considering the role of meat grinder siege expert was something forced upon Perturabo; he wanted to be an artisan and builder and scholar so it shouldn’t really be that surprising that he got along well with the brother who was the biggest nerd of the whole fraternity, and their scholarly persists being in different areas meant there wasn’t much chance of it sparking a rivalry between them.
Would make for an interesting narrative if Perturabo was to return and rekindle his friendship with Magnus.
"You have a cold streak about you, brother"
He took the time and effort to make a device with the quality of a masterpiece, gave Magnus the benefit of the doubt and was willing to destroy the fruit of that labor for his benefit. Sounds pretty caring to me.
Might be a crazy theory might not be. Lookin at the primarch sculptures at 2:03 and how they are arranged. you have Dorn, Ferrous, Sanguineous on the top(who are canonically dead, maybe not dorn dont crucify me) then you have the lion, Vulcan and Gulliman(who are asleep, a perpetual and returned) then lastly the Khan, Corax and Leman (missing in the webway, fighting in the warp, and searching in the warp) Just has me thinking are we getting the lion and Vulcan back. then possibly the khan the raven and leman? IDK but its my head theory now.
Those aré my high hopes dear cousin, may the Emperor hear you!
Gorgeous work as always, my lord Rho.
All the primarchs are awesome in there own way they all do totaly insane acts and display god like powers
We can all admit, the emperor was a shitty leader, super detached to all of his people and horrible at understanding his troops and assets. If the emperor had literally taken 5 minutes of thought he could make everyone of his primarchs permanently loyal.
Pertarabo was in the right. He was trying to warn his brother before he walked off a cliff.
Magnus and the Ahriman novels are amazing. Got me hooked to the Warhammer universe especially with the psycher battles in the Ahriman books.
Man i remember first reading that scene where Magnus pulled the energies of an ******* and merging his powers to his sons to create a continent wide kine shield and stop the big ass ******* from cracking the planet. The fuckin battle between Ahriman and that Inquisitor, a race between who can collapse the others ******* first. Ohhh that fuckin moment of the second rubric where the Inquisition is *********** and "********" the sht out of ******** then a three way battle occured between sorcerers in Sortiarus - the planet shattering entrance of Ahriman and his side of the TS with their deamon army vs the TS loyal to Magnus vs the warlock army of ********. AHHHH SO MUCH COOL SHIT, TOO BEAUTIFUL WHEN THOSE SCENES ARE RECREATED IN OUR MINDS. So well written you can almost feel like you were there at the center of the battle watching all those deamon summoners and sorcerers throw all kinds of hexes/spells/and all sht.
*Not spoiling, just sharing parts of the books which are too beautiful*
Yet my fav primarchs......one not recognised of his and his legion's greatest deeds and few feats which other primarchs....or thier legion can't even accomplish ......but only to be forgotten.....not given the respect needed.....was good and loyal..... only to fall from the emps light as the legion and the lord of iron took too many tolls ,torments and humiliation .....bent finally.....but never ever broken.......the other.....was only trying to be good but only to be damned ........
Oh please Peturabo’s first act as a Primach when introduced to his so sorely-battered legion was to send out an edict of obliteration. 1/10th of his legion was bludgeoned to death by their brothers simply because they had not preformed better
A legion that had had no one to advocate for them. To request reinforcements or rebuke overtly aggressive battle strategy the costs of which were mainly borne by said legion. That was how Perturabo thanked them for their sacrifices thus far in the Great Crusade
@@TheDubDisciple every primarch has a flaw ...yes....his flaw was to be paranoid.....showin no mercy for the weak.....and when he came to introduction of his legion ....he saw weakness in them. ...so he decimated them.....Olympian life has made a big influence in the primarch's character so he found his legion was not good enough compared to others.....so he decimated the legion.....then in his command he made the legion great again....by his calculating ....brutual but effective strategies.....he and his legion was the one whose deeds and fame got unrecognised and ignored by others.....he willingly did every hardest missions...conquests without hesitation .....suffered most casualties and losses only to not to be appreciated and forgotten.....not only his conquests...but also his craftsmanship....technological mastery.....and great inventions.....only to be underestimated and underappreciated .....for being just a siege troops....
@@TheDubDisciple see brother u said....his legion was 'used'.....no one to advocate for them.....no effective leaders before him....there were no one as like kharn ....or other good legionnaire as leader in absence of the primarch for them before......and it was thier circumstance....for we can't blame .....so the legion was unable to rebuke bad strategies.....or tactics no one for them to advocate.....to guide......the legion
@@ramsuryaprasath1381 So should Sanguinius have wiped out his legion? A borderline feral legion made from the absolute worst of Terra’s scum. Rapists and murderers to a man. That was even before the flaw of the Thirst arrived.
They both found legions severely wanting. One embraced his the other hated them. The outcome of both legions is clear.
I wonder what would have become of Perturabo and the Iron Warriors had they followed a more... flexible approach. But they are the Iron Warriors not the Steel Warriors and iron does not bend
@@TheDubDisciple I told flaw in character.... shaped by the Olympians ......his society in Olympia.....his family.....adopted one....check out Perty's early age vid....of wolflord rho u can see what made perty like this....his adopted father who 'used' him for his great skills and potentials.... the people who were soo bad ....check out the vid....it can give u a real depth of his character...
I really love the kinship here, especially frome my boy Perturabo. Great insight into Magnus too.
Magnus and Perturabo’s relationship reminds me of Fulgrim’s and Ferrus Manus. No real point there other than I see a parallel.
Interesting though to see Perturabo’s thoughts on the Emperor. He actually acknowledges the Emperor knows more. And refers to him as Father. I now find myself somewhat sympathetic to Perturabo. Magnus doesn’t come off as well in this passage.
This was one of the better Primarch books too, would recommend.
the more I hear the more I love Perturabo
I agree Rho we need more Sanguinius in the Great Crusade. He is one of the most under represented alongside Ferrus. I loved his interaction with Horus in the first books, the Lion during Imperium Secundus, Dorn and the Khan during the Seige of Terra. I would love to see more interaction with Magnus, Perturabo, Alpharius and of course the Emperor.
Magnus got on well with Perturabo, Horus, Sangiunius, Lorgar (big bro to him) and the Khan. Perturabo only got on well with Magnus, Horus and possibly Sangiunius.
Magnus wasn't the outsider he often painted himself as. Vulcan and Roboute, as well, spoke highly of him.
@@Khashmonet Yeah, a lot saw him as the smart brother. The one who knows more than the others about the universe. Plus's, close relationship with the Emperor for being the two most powerful Psykers in creation.
@@Khashmonet Having Russ as, effectively, your personal bully would be enough to make anyone feel beset from all sides.
Absolutely love this book, and this is one of the most memorable parts. I uploaded a reading of this very bit a couple of weeks ago on my channel.
If the emperor didn’t lie, Magnus wouldn’t have fell
Rho: ... Every journey begins with a single step.
Me, an intellectual: THIS IS STEP ONE! SECURE THE KEYS!
Thank you for doing Magnus!
Lets get to 90k people we need that mortarian video
I headcanon it as Magnus would occasionally use his magic to stop Perturabos mind from showing himt eh faults of everything, letting him discover and explore occasionaaly
You know what, I like the idea. That's now also my headcanon.
I just started painting my Thousand Sons Kill Team so this worked out perfect
Now I want to read more about Perturabo after this interaction between them.
Magny Magic week! Wooh!
This moment was the true birth of Heresy
Magnus and the cool aid man are the same person change my mind.
Oh yeah
Location: Court House, courtroom.
-Bursting into the room through the wall, scattering bricks and plaster debris over the jury, judge etc..
Kool-Aid guy;
"OHHHH YEEAAAHHH!!!"
-Everybody stares at him in disbelieving silence...-
-Kool-Aid guy, looking mortified, walks backwards, through the hole he just smashed through the wall while looking back at all the staring faces-
Kool-Aid guy: (thinking) "That goggle-eyed, multi-limbed, (probably) inbred, incestuous, freaky shit head Tzeentch, has really fucked my shit up here. I'll never get work in this city again!)
PROOF☝
Great video as alwayz brother🩸🤘🏻
I need a fulgrim week !! One of my favourite primarchs love this vid tho :)
"I've spoken to a god."
"God is cringe."
MAGNUUUUUSSSSS WEEK YEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS
Or is it just a Tzeench trick 《¤》《¤》
love Magnus, My friends call me their Magnus xD
Nice :-)
soooo, you're the kind of guys that always screws things up ? ^^
@@malekith13 No, I'm the one that studies the Lore for them xD
- "God damn it, Perty! Why do you have to be like this?"
- "Because you're funcking cringe. That's why."
Perturabo, best traitor primarch ever.
If the Brother known for his Cold Calculating Cruelty, Is showing genuin consern for you
That Carries A LOT of weight
As a proud son of Magnus, I will get anyone who bad mouths my gene-father.
Betray The Emperor. Feel the consequences.
@@markrtoffeeman The Emperor betrayed us. He sent his puppies, his golden boys, and his mute girls to deal with us instead of just dealing with us himself. He knew what Leman Russ would do and that even if Horus had not played the Wolf King like a harp, he'd overstep his authority.
Magnus' only flaw was he was too kind and forgiving, always turning the other cheek no matter how terrible the provocation. He needed to learn that the Imperium weren't rational human beings you can reason with, but rabid animals that needed to be put down. I fear even now, his kind nature will be his undoing.
That one time that Perturabo shoud have put Magnus into a Iron Cage.
I really liked this video. It shows a Pertaraubo that trusted the Emperor and that at some point he and the Emperor must have talked about the warp. And that he and magnus had discussed it before too. Pertaraubo is definitely not like many of the loyalists who didn’t really know anything if at all about the warp. And that he knows there are things the Emperor wouldn’t look at.
I get it that he thinks of the emperor as a liar and a tyrant later on. But this would almost show a Pertaraubo that could be forgiven for Olympia. And also wouldnt turn to chaos to become a daemon Primarch. At the close of the heresy he would be utterly alone because of his traitorous brethren becoming lost and damned. I sincerely wonder if he would return to the emperors side. I wonder what a conversation would be like between him and Guillemen if he wasn’t a daemon primarch in 40K.
As I was thinking it you went right to the heart of it. Did Magnus ever have another path?
It pains me to see such great men fall
Magnus really was a good brother and didn't hate anyone. He started to hate Konrad after his brother tried to provoke him. Mortarian and Russ hated him cause he used Psyker powers and for no other reason. His arrogance did lead to his manipulation and downfall by Tzeentch though.
At least he didn't smash Magnus' face into it....
I just want a warhammer 40k series/movie about the Great Crusade!
Ah I Love perturabo
#magnusdidnothingwrong #bigEthehypocryte
When looking into the abyss one must be careful not to look too deeply lest we see the monster of our own reflexion looking back at us. So sayith Alando the wise.
Magnus is an impertinent fool. He wouldnt listen even if the warp itself would come and said to him "we are going to ruin your life,red boi",that basically happened and he WOULDNT LISTEN!
What is the music in all your videos?? I want to go to sleep listening to this so badly 😢
*bong hit* Like... what if, his name is really "Magnus the Read" but we've been spelling it wrong because we've been judging him by the color of his skin instead of his intelligence?
Is it bad to like a traitor? I like magnus
Its funny how everyone says they love sanguinius but it really seems like Magnus was really popular as well.
If the Emperor had been open to Magnus about the warp and spent time with him exploring those boundries together, I think Magnus would have made the right choices. Instead he was left ignorant to what he was made for. That's just... stupid on the Emperors part to put it bluntly.
Even perty knew the dangers
About time Morty gets some attention.
16:16 not inevitable, but not surprising. Magnus was too predictable. A perfect game piece. Sadly, Teetztch understood humanity more than Big E.
Coment for the ranges
This video is about Magnus, but still Iron Within, Iron Without.
i wonder what would have happened if the emperor had teach magnus to use the warp responsible instead of not use it and ignore it and i forbid it
sounds a bit like telling a kid to not push the read Butten and reminding constant it exist and constant teling him not to push it than be surprise the kid he pushes it when you dont look