Long Range BYD Seal Highway Range and Efficiency Driving in the Rain
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- Опубліковано 2 тра 2024
- Wet Weather Range Test for Premium variant BYD Seal travelling at highway speeds of 110kph using ICC Intelligent Cruise Control between Sydney and Nelson Bay Port Stephens with no charging stops (except to briefly test V4 Tesla Supercharger) by BYD Tom aka Tesla Tom of Ludicrous Feed in Sydney Australia April 2024
Long Range BYD Seal Highway Range and Efficiency Driving in the Rain
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00:00 Introduction
00:58 Entering M1 Motorway Sydney
01:51 Engaging Intelligent Cruise Control
02:29 90% State of Charge
03:12 Karaoke in the Rain
03:56 Gan Gan Lookout
05:53 Lunch
06:20 V4 Tesla Supercharger Test at Raymond Terrace
08:13 300km traveled
08:38 Back in Sydney
09:24 16% Remaining
09:51 450km reached!
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My first long distance trip with BYD Seal (Premium, RWD) dated 16 April 2024 in Malaysia with decent weather in the morning and afternoon but drizzling in the evening.
Started from home in Puchong at 7:00am with 100% battery level. Reached Ipoh (220km travelled) with 61% and reached Kamunting toll (286km travelled) with 50% battery level remaining. Had lunch in Taiping and stopped at Petronas Jalan Sultan Azlan Shah (Ipoh) with 32% battery level remaining (383km travelled). Quick top up 29% (32% to 61%) and reached home with 23% battery level remaining (total 599km travelled).
Calculation 1: 50% get 286km, so 100% should get 572km.
Calculation 2: 68% get 383km, so 100% should get 563km.
Calculation 3. 100% + 29% - 23% = 106% get 599km, so 100% should get 565km.
Driving condition:
ACC setting at 110km/h
Air cond setting at 23c
Only driver in car (1 person only).
I am happy that it is very close to the claimed WLTP cycle of 570km.
Good job and thanks for sharing your stats!
You cruising at 110kmh ?
I’m curious how far the battery may last if cruising at 140km/h
@@leerizer ACC set at 110km/h, as usual occasionally will slow down due to traffic condition and step up to 120-130km/h to overtake when needed. I basically follow speed limit and will not go above that except during overtake which probably last less than 2 minutes.
Hi Tom, your average was 17.23kWh/100km.
450km using 94% of your battery pack means 77.55kWh consumed.
Never take notice of last 50km average for anything other than last 50km.
BYD Atto 3 owner here with first anniversary coming up on 3 May 2024.
Nearly 15,000km 95% charged at home and historic average on computer says 16.6kWh/100km.
So it has cost me $250 in electricity so far including a few public chargers of which a couple were free.
Love our car and its $1.40 per 100km electric running cost.
First annual service $189 fixed to happen next week.
Cheers
Cheers, that’s why I kept qualifying by saying “for the last 50km” whenever I quoted the efficiency 😁 I just wish BYD displayed more detailed stats for its trip computer info
Great to hear you’ve enjoyed the first year of ownership 👍
Shame about the horrible weather you had! But still shows just how efficient the Seal can be, even in the rain and on highways. Good job!
Thanks! I live in the real world so we have to take into account all variables 😃
Impressive range, thanks for the insight and great review/info sharing as always. Great idea for a day trip too Tom. Cheers!
Pleasure! Plenty of great day trips of this length from Sydney 👍
A great vid, love the speed and wet weather to give a fairly realistic real world range.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it
Great vid. My Seal is finally coming, after 4 months waiting. Got the call last week from BYD 😅
Fantastic! How exciting 🥳
Great video Tom, well done! Interesting affect on the range the rain or conditions had - I'd comfortably get around 500k in my premium in standard conditions.
Thanks! Yup I can’t control the weather sadly … not yet anyway 😁
Looks like the Tesla V3/V4 chargers are working now. Just saw a blog on Riz's website with customers saying it works - all cars delivered in March / April.
Yes that's certainly true for the newer Seal builds. The battle now lies in trying to get BYD to acknowledge this and to warrant a retrofit for the older vehicles
@@LudicrousFeed yep. Not sure if it is hardware or software. Requires FWC version 2312.
We'll find out soon hopefully. I'm chasing BYD ...
Me encanta ver este tipo de videos de autonomía del byd seal.Yo he conseguido realizar un consumo de 520 km con una temperatura de 29 grados ,poco viento y soleado.A todos los vehículos les afecta el terreno por donde vamos subidas inclinadas por montañas pero si vas en pistas mas o menos planas le favorece muchísimo no solo al eléctrico también a los motores de combustible.Un saludo chicos
Thanks for watching! The efficiency of the Seal really is quite good 👍 Glad you are enjoying it 😃
In my M3LR, I managed 523kms from Noosa QLD to Coffs Harbour. 5% remaining when I arrived at the supercharger.
Nice 👍
1550 km in my Tesla to Loxton SA and return, charged with solar at home and at destination in SA. $60 total charging fees regionally with Evie and Chargefox for the entire trip. Tesla Model 3 Long Range. BYD solar system battery at home is 10 years old, still no obvious degradation., it’s great Tesla’s are great, so’s BYD. I love my Tesla, rain or shine.
Great work 👍
All in all, that was very close, given the lookout detour up that hill and the terrible weather. Sunday was far better weather and could have been the difference. 500km seems quite doable if you drive conservatively.
This range even makes Dubbo Zoo a doable trip on single charge from Sydney & Newcastle. Impressive.
Yup plenty of 450km-500km return day options from our capital cities to explore 👍
Bonjour.
Ce matin je viens de parcourir 420 km avec ma Seal AWD .Départ avec une température de 0 degré passage à un col à 1100 mètres à -3 degré avec un peu de neige . Parcours avec 2/3 autoroute à environ 115 km/h et 1/3 de route à 80 . 90 km/h
Arrivée à une température de 15 degré et avec encore 22% de batterie et 126 km d'autonomie
Great work and thanks for sharing
The most I ever have traveled on a single charge on my model 3 RWD in one day was 420km of range and I still had 20% battery at the end.
👍
Thanks Tom. Curious to hear whether you experience phantom braking with the BYD cruise control. My new Model Y does it in autopilot occasionally on open roads but quite a bit in the North Connex Tunnel. Also when the Tesla super chargers do work with the BYD how fast do they charge at. Is it slower than a Tesla.
I think I experienced phantom braking once during the entire day of this journey. Far less frequent that I would have otherwise had I done the same trip with a Tesla …
If the non-Tesla EV is 400V architecture it should charge at the same rate as a Tesla: BYD ATTO 3 CHARGING AT TESLA SUPERCHARGER IN AUSTRALIA | February 2023
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God, your Seal looks so much better than your Tesla, it's not even funny
Love the look of the Seal 🦭
….rocking the foo fighters! 👍
🎸🤘
About a week ago, I did a 70km approx. one way trip. About 30kms freeway and the rest suburban driving.
As ridiculous as it sounds, I used 1/4 of the range it took me for the freeway drive on the suburban, although the suburban part was longer.
Unfortunately, EV's are exactly the opposite from ICE cars. Everything above 80kms/hr chews through the range fast.
I should also mention that since I've tried Sport mode on my Premium, I haven't gone back😂 which I'm sure is a contributing factor 😂
Yes sport mode / heavy acceleration will certainly decrease one’s efficiency and range but YOLO right! 😁
Did you try any of the other 11 chargers at the supercharger place to see that you weren't just having an issue with 1 charger? I found with other style chargers that lots a reported broken, but actually work if you unplug/plug in about 5-6 times for it to finally work lol
There’s enough evidence on PlugShare that BYD Seal and Atto 3 don’t work with V3/4 Tesla Superchargers
Great to see that the Tesla Chargers were undercover. Need more of these.
Yes absolutely, very civilised
@@LudicrousFeed Hi Tom. Just saw a post on a Facebook page BYD owners Australia that they were charging their brand new Seal on a Tesla V3 charger in Corio,Vic. Maybe you want to follow up with BYD?
@@rosswalters3788 Yup! Seen it and I’m in touch with the owner. This story is still developing …
Cool! How do you find the ICC vs ACC on 2401? On my 2310 ICC is not so good so I only use ACC.
Much the same really - I don't see any dramatic improvements
Waze in full screen looks great. Hopefully Tesla brings more apps soon (not holding my breath!)
So easy to drive with Waze in full screen
Hi Tom, I have to take a clients Tesla model y from the Sunshine Coast to the Southern Highlands, looking to short top ups rather than getting maximum range. Looking to charge at Tweed Heads, Coffs Harbour, Port Macquarie overnight stop at Nambucca Heads and then a recharge at Heatherbrae, does this sound realistic to you?
I do love the Seal, I love that I know all the major switch gear as soon I sit behind the wheel.
I’m sure you get used to the Tesla on screen controls but I do find them frustrating when I only occasionally drive them.
Those stops sound very reasonable - that’s where Tesla is ahead of the game in its EV trip planning, it’ll tell you where to stop and for how long each time 👍
Try the new Raymond Terrace charger seen in this video instead of Heatherbrae. I think it’s in a more convenient location given the nearby amenities and shops
Thanks Tom, especially the tip about Raymond Terrace, regards Russell
Where I could count on 400 in our RWD M3 I'm getting 600 in our Seal driven the same way. We don't miss the 3 a bit.
I’ll have to do an urban range test too …
@@LudicrousFeed we're country based
@@davidpearn5925 50% bigger battery goes 50% further, is not that big a surprise. Although the M3 is more efficient normally.
@@ObiePaddles it's a 68% bigger battery with about 68% battery weight increase. The efficiency drop is not particularly significant in my experience.
@@davidpearn5925 so 68% increase in battery size and 50% increase in range. So that’s about 10.5% less efficient than older Model 3? (based on 1.5/1.68 =89.3%).
Hopefully not coming across as critical of your car choice as dont mean to be. We have choice and that’s good.
Hi May I know what is your consideration to choose Premium over Performance ? And do you know is there any difference for suspension beetween Premium and Performance. As you may know that in Performance model there is Frequency Selective Damping for the shock absorbers. Which one is more comfort for riding in the city? Thank you
I felt the Premium variant provided the best bang for buck in terms of features. The acceleration in sport mode is fast enough for me 😎
My seal premium has consistently reached 600k's with between 6 - 9% remaining - mixed use but more freeway
Ok interesting. Certainly the numbers will be more efficient the slower one drives of course
Thank you for another informative video, would you recommend a BYD Seal to a, new to EV customer like me?
I truly believe it is the best looking EV on the market.
I think the closest competitor to the Seal would have to be the RWD Model 3. Both of their benefits and it boils down to what you need/want from your car. Check out my comparison review between the two cars for more details: 2024 Tesla Model 3 RWD Highland Update vs BYD Seal Premium Australia
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The range of 450km on a charge is probably as expected. The single motor 82kwh battery model is 2260 Kg which is 400kg heavier compared to a Model 3 Long range.
I wouldn't rely on too much realistic driving range below 5% given my previous experience with the Atto 3 where the power was throttled 😬
Hey mate , how did you set your Waze screen to tile like that on your video ?
Bottom right corner of your Apple CarPlay screen is a button that allows you to cycle between full screen, icons and tiled view 🥂
@@LudicrousFeed thank you .
How would the model 3 highland rwd fare in this drive I wonder..
Would be an interesting comparison 👍
Nice run mate good real world range test in marginal conditions, still incredibly annoying about the ongoing Tesla V3 and 4 charger compatibility issues this is where the expanding network is going and us BYD owners getting left behind not a good look BYD
I'm going to create a separate short video of the Tesla Supercharger experience to share on socials
@@LudicrousFeedHas anyone worked out whether it is a hardware or software update that has allowed the latest delivered Seals to start working on v3 superchargers?
@@newbris My hunch is that it’s a hardware upgrade
I have noticed Motorways in STRALIA look more like A-roads in other countries.
China "You call that a Motorway!?!"
Yep this is the way it is here
LKA is easy in China because their roads are clearly marked and maintained I assume.
I wonder would the awd version do close to that!
Would be an interesting test
Looks like your rain sensor was doing quite well?
It was very responsive. I don’t recall having to correct it
Tom to be 100% accurate most Chinese EV's manufactures under report efficiency. So if the 6% battery remaining is correct your overall efficiency is 16.5kwh per 100km. This is based on 79kwh of usable battery capacity @ 6% remaining means you consumed 74.3kwh this makes overall trip usage at 16.5kwh per 100km. Most EV's hide approximately 3kwh so the 82kwh battery has a usable capacity of 79kwh. To confirm these numbers the final test is to charge back to 100% and see how many kwh were needed to get back to 100%
It’s strange because most places online report a usable battery of the Seal as 82kWh including EV database 🤔
@@LudicrousFeed You can easily confirm this when you charge to see how many kwh is needed to fully charge again.
@@henvan8737 Hmm easier said than done because the BYD display is relatively primitive in that it doesn’t tell you how much energy has been added during the current session nor is there historical information. The best I could do is estimate how much power has been supplied from my wall charger and even then there are losses. Eg. 7kW from the supply ends up with 6.4kW at the car. I suppose it would at least give us a rough ballpark figure
@@LudicrousFeed The Tesla Gen 3 wall connector has a charging history you can access.
Is that wltp range it shows in the begning with over 600km range?
I find EV makers tend to use random numbers for their range projection. Not sure what the original range was for the Seal … perhaps CLTC? 🤷♂️
@@LudicrousFeed Ah yeah. I’ve seen 2 settings for estimating range i the seal wltp and dynamic, later based on driving history. I’ll get mine in a week so can’t check myself 😬
Is the card reader on the V4s not working? Those are designed so you do not need to use the APP.
I don't believe the V4 card readers are set up properly yet in Aus. From what I've read and seen, they're actually only the V4 housing with V3 power cabinets. Tesla is probably future proofing the location for later upgrades I imagine
@@LudicrousFeed They work here in UK.
Problem is currently all byd dont charge at tesla v3/4 chargers. Only the dolphin can for some reason.
Tom have you gone pass the range anxiety
stress on highways?
Totally 👍
Range isn’t the problem accessing reliable compatible public charging infrastructure is the anxiety generator 😁👍
That's why I like my day trips 😆🙌
Yes, definitely do a karaoke demo video please :D
🤭🎤
Hope BYD sort out their charging comms soon
Stay tuned I’ll be reposting a short of that experience to share across socials
Did you find it sure footed and steady in the heavy rain at 100km/h?
Absolutely. Not a single slip or skid on the highway
Magic ✨
EPA 600 km
I think in ideal conditions this is possible achievable
Can BYD Seals use Tesla Supercharger network?
This is currently a contentious issue with a Yes … but it depends. It’s playing out on social media and will hurt the BYD brand if they don’t sort it out pronto
Range pretty impressive in the Seal. Obviously they've taken a 'leaf' out of Hyundai's efficient Ioniq book
Yep, fairly happy with the result given the treacherous conditions
Is that your lookout named after you but they had a stutter when the paperwork went in and got named Gan Gan lookout instead? ;) Would be interesting to see the same route in perfect conditions and driving on Hankook iON EV tyres as well suspect you'd get over 500km easily. The weather was definitely against you but still 450km is very good.
So good they named it twice! 😁
We can’t always control the weather on our days off but I’m happy knowing that 450km is achievable even when it’s raining cats and dogs
Random question. Do you know if the BYD Seal has a way to generate a charging report for what was home and what was public? For lease factors.
Sadly no. But you can probably deduce that using data from third party charging apps eg Chargefox or Evie for DC. Some AC charging wall connectors also allow download of usage data as a CSV file
It is very dangerous to use cruise control when it is raining
Why?
@@LudicrousFeed Just as you are advised not to use ABS when traction is compromised on dirt roads it's unwise to use cruise control in heavy rain. Aquaplaning is an ever present risk and camera based sensors are often compromised when wet and or dirty. Braking distances can be four times longer in the wet and the distance active cruise control adopts is based on dry road conditions. Even the greatest follow distance may not be sufficient in heavy rain, especially after a dry spell when accumulated oil is brought to the surface (it floats in puddles). As a rule of thumb, if your wiper is on high speed you should NOT be following cars on adaptive cruise control. Also, a driver should always be alert to road conditions. Speed limits are a maximum advisable and should not be driven when visibility and road conditions are suboptimal. Ask any AI bot and it will recommend NOT following cars on adaptive cruise control in heavy rain. Hope that helps!
Thanks for clarifying. Point is taken for heavy rain when one should absolutely be extra vigilant with or without AP/CC. I thought original OP was referring to all types of rain no matter the strength
@@LudicrousFeedAlways be careful in rain. It might be light rain you're in yet it might have been a heavy downpour a few minutes earlier that has 'streamlets' flowing over the road. Aquaplaning is still possible even in light rain.
@@podometic Yup good advice. I’ll add to that by saying always be in control of the car and always ensure your tyres have adequate tread
You will most probably get even better range with Standard Regen (You were using High). Remember this is not an efficiency setting, but adjusts the deceleration profile.
I do regular return 450km trips from Melbourne to Echuca in my Seal Premium and generally return with 15% to 20% SoC.
Thanks for the tip. I’ll hopefully be able to find another clear day to do a repeat test.
@@LudicrousFeed Its a common misconception amongst BYD owners that High Regen = Higher Efficiency. The reality is that unless you are very reactive and careful on the accelerator pedal, in some driving conditions, high regen tends to slow the vehicle down too much resulting in underspeed and then resultant speed corrections/recovery.
The 450km drive I do is a mix of 10% Metro Roads (~40km/h,), 10% Metro Freeway (@100km/h), 10% Freeway (@110km/h), 35% Country Roads with rolling hills (@100km/h) 35% Flat country roads (@100km/h) - Probably similar to your drive.
Agreed, there’s not much to be gained from cycling between constant regen / harsh acceleration as opposed to constant coasting on the freeway. Might be worth doing another test with standard regen braking + eco mode to see if I can get more range 👍
'Traveling at 110kmh'... You barely exceeded 100, and when you could have moved into the outside lane to speed up with other cars you didn't.
Can you do a constant 120 ? 130 ? I'm just trying to get a feel in terms of equivalence. I usually drive about 130
I only showed 10 mins of my journey so believe me when I say that I was driving at either 100kph or 110kph for most of the other 4 hours+ of driving that I did not record. Most law abiding citizens in NSW, myself included, will drive at the legal speed limit because of the high police presence on our highways who frequently target speeding vehicles. Driving at 130kph in NSW is literally a quick way to lose your license
In most part of Australia the speed limit is 110
@@LudicrousFeed appreciate the info.
It explains a seeminy high range. But I think most highways are 120/130
@@AW-oi4kt highway speed, in most countrirs is higher than that I think
Kilo-metres please!
The way I pronounce things is a culmination of my genotype, upbringing and current situation
94% range only 450km?!😢 (NEDC) not even damn close
That's why I do these tests