The British Locos ABANDONED on a SCRAP Line in France
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- A sad sight to see these Class 58 'Bones' abandoned in Alizay facing a near certain end with the scrapers torch in France.
These 1980's built British Locos were often seen on coal services in the 1980's and 1990's before being relocated out to France to help with engineering services for TGV line builds via ETF and TSO around 2009.
In recent times, they've been left in Alizay to face an uncertain future.
This was a great visit to see these locos after so many years - Albeit sad to see them in their current condition.
Hopefully this video brings back a few memories of the distinctive shape of these British manufactured locos if you saw them of the UK mainlines back in the 80's and 90's.
Hope you enjoy the video - Thanks for watching.
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The staff at the French depots were always very friendly and accommodating when we asked to look round, all they asked was us to wear high vis.
Was it just a case of turn up? I’ve heard some horror stories of staff refusing entry, others advising to try and arrange in advance! Am considering a trip out to see them before the cutters arrive…
@@al66class59 not sure at there current location, but 2 of 3 other depots visited were fine - Ocquerre and Pagny-sur-meuse
I always wondered what happened to all the 58's. Guess now I know. That is a sad sight to see.
l remember these ! They used to pass by my house , behind the back garden fence , hauling coal to power stations , quite frequently in the 80s and 90s . l also remember them on Fly ash trains !
Never say never, the class 69 project has been so far looking a sucess and these could end up the same or similar if the need for traction is still high when considering the price of new build locomotives.
Never going to happen.
The Class 69 only exists because GBRf was banned from buying new class 66 locomotives because of new UK regulations. They used class 56 locos to save money not having to licence and test a new locomotive design.
All UK diesel locomotives are being banned in 2040, and nobody is going to spend money restoring class 58s that will only last 17 years
@@HyperBlueWolf banning all diesels in 2040, will not happen. lack of electric locos, the catenary and the powerplants needed to support it are not there, so the banning of diesels is a dream.
Agreed. It's pie in the metaphorical sky.
Only seemed like yesterday when they were pulling hopper wagons around this country. I miss yesterday, I was unaware that Liz Truss existed
I think soon, most of the UK populus will long for the days before Liz…
What’s that blonde nugget gone and done now?
All this tripe about a Labour landslide. Are you forgetting that a vote for Labour is a vote for socialist controls, eco diktats, the trans agenda, identity politics and the nanny state. Those things haven't just disappeared.
Bring them back, refurb get origional plans make spares make them eco friendy new fleet
I used to signal double headed 58’s from Mid Cannock to Rugeley B power station when I was a ‘bobby’ down the Cannock line👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 they were the days
Waste surely they could be reused some how someone's hard work wasting away
Thanks for sharing this
Cheers Paul oh I love the sound of that 66 in the background 😆
If I remember right: there was frustration in the UK rail industry these locos were still technically on-loan, and yet we had a shortage of freight engines back here in the UK about 10 years ago while these languished in France. I _think_ these have since been scrapped too?
Way things are going the governmemt will probably restart coal mining so they will back doing the job designed for 🤣
This is actually being considered, it's unlikely but not impossible that these locos could haul coal again.
Coal is king ...
Good video of more short life locos I think they had about 20 years of life in the UK!!! They should get that ying yong yin American trash to haul them back to the UK and fix up say 20 of the best condition 58s and send them to private railways for railtours or for spot-hire 🤔
I thought i could hear a ying ying shed class 66 in this video! And such a shame to see all these 58s lined up rotting away it reminds me of the last br built class 60s also desolate at Toton depot in the UK!!!
You could. Most of the DB Class 66 fleet use that yard.
¿Esos 60 siguen ahí?
The 58s used to come to Liverpool on MGRs to Garston Docks. On the return there was a machine in Speke Yard which used to close the the bottom doors on the hoppers.
I remember those days well David. They were Coalville Drivers used to work them as far as Garston Yard and Garston Drivers then took them down to Garston Docks. The Machine that you refer to, we used to call the Door slammer or The Dalek because of the two arms on the side and was operated by the C&W lads. Up until about a year ago, it was still there, in a state of disrepair, along with it`s associated Creep Signal for controlling the move but I don`t know if it is still there now because they have done a lot of work around there and I have not been there for a while. I was based there when we had that coal traffic. Happy Days.
Didnt exactly Look After them 😡 They thrashed the 37s they had too.
Old Soldiers belong at home,,, bring them back . 👍👍
Those tractors had a bloody hard life over there for sure, thrashed is an understatement.
By thrash do you mean used them efficiently to do the job they were designed to do?
Old soldiers belong on the scrap heap, they should be cut up and sent to China or India to be recycled.
Someone suggested dropping an EMD prime mover and alternator into them. Given the British.loading guage and the height of a 645 or 710 diesel engine this may be more complicated than it sounds. The EMD's are designed for a much taller locomotive and probably sit in a well in the frame in Britain.
Ironic that there's an EMD of some sort running in the background.
The 710 is too tall. They were examined for the job. Class 69 was the end result.
Shame they are all rusting away in France, doesn’t look like anything happening with them which is a shame. Thanks for sharing very interesting 👍
Cheers Arthur - Unlikely to be a way back for any of these now which is a shame.
Awful waste in light of the refurbishment of some 56’s into 69’s.
Im sure these were good enough for a few more years had some thought been put into it. Plus I do like the 58’s!!
What a great video. Unlikely any of these will be saved. They need to be recycled now. In any case there are already 5 class 58's preserved in the UK.
@@PreservationEnthusiast 4 currently preserved and 58022 "recycled" for Ivatt Diesel recreation project.
I hope someone reserves a couple and brings them back for preservation, a few look completely intact
Agreed, must have some in preservation
Looks can be deceiving. They are intact minus most/all of the copper and other cabling. They'd need a substantial volume of work to run again.
They won't be, however. Scrap merchants will move in this time next week.
I loved the 58's, didn't see many up here in the North West. Hope a load have been saved before they end up in a melting pot :(
I think 4 are preserved in the UK
Rumours of the scrap yard in 4-5 weeks apparently
I heard also.. Sad times..
It’s like an overgrown Toton, thank you for sharing the video it’s brilliant
No probs Pete 👍
I can remember seeing the cabs on the floor and basic frames at Donny works as a kid. Later to work on them under Trainload Coal.... not the best
Just dug out my "Life and Times of BREL" book and there are a few piccies of construction plus cabs on the floor like you describe.
I guess this is a real Bone yard? It amazing that the 56 and 58 were available at the same time frame. Both had similar specification as energy crisis freight locos but one the 56 having the V16 Ruston paxman 3250 bhp unit the 58 having Ruston paxman 12 cylinder 3300 bhp almost identical performance, on paper? However the 58s never gave as good as their cousins and only 50 made compaired to 135 56s, but its real shame when you see lines of redundant loccos like this!
Surely these would be ideal for engine conversions to the EMD 710 like the new 69s? Maybe class 75? Although they look well gone in condition? At least we could preserve one for the future to re live how bad a class of locomotive they were!
Could they be brought back to Britain? I'd happily give some time to Restoring them.
We should restore all of them, and run it on the mainline
I used to watch Class 58's pass through Wolverhampton station coming from Bescot and back on MGR's. They looked really good in original Large Logo grey with red stripe.
Headed to Ironbridge back then? It’s a shame none of these are still active in preservation.
@@trainsplanes Sadly not. I was too young to drive at the time, and Ironbridge was a bugger to get to without a car.
Send a couple of 59s to drag them back to Longport so Progress Rail can do what they did with the 56s for GBRf. They look quite tidy compared with some of those old 56s.
Send the scrappy round and cut them up. Rusting heaps of trash.
@@razorcharlieyacunt I fear you are mistaken.
You know I am correct!
@@razorcharlieyacunt these are just opinions, after all, but where is your soul? They weren't the greatest success in UK service, but could be made useful again quite cheaply.
No one wants them, they are worthless. These are like broken toasters, put them in the recycle bin and move on… An embarrassment of U.K. engineering.
Those poor Class 58 diesel locomotives, one of them deserves to be saved for preservation and brought back to Great Britain, including the oldest example, No.58001
Unless some rich railway enthusiasts can save some of those, restore them back into working order and run on the heritage railways.
What a waste of taxpayers money, locos that still run and with plenty of life going to waste.
Still run? Plenty of life? Well, not with all the copper stolen...
Used to like driving them. Even tho they used to slip like hell lol.
With a cash crisis in the uk, the uk needs them back as they will be cheaper to repair than by new locos
Yet more EWS ... that's Every Working loco (almost) Scrapped. Reminds me of the lines of class 60's rusting at Taton. At least DC Rail is trying to make a go of some of those 60's.
It does surprise me that they hang around for so long before they are scrapped. From Google Earth Pro it looks as though they have been there since June 2015.
Too expensive to move. All wiring and valuable parts are removed and sold, the worthless remains are left to rot away.
You have to pay scrap dealers to take stuff off you these days, not like the old days anymore.
My favourite class of all time many of years ago I love Just to go to Leicester Station to see the 58s hauling MGR'S Castle cement wagons and more rolling stock round the Midlands I even went to rugley one time Just to the run round before it went into the power station or come Just for the chance of a driver to say want to look in the cab. Just such a shame maybe GBRF might snap up a few and give them a over haul or a heritage company or maybe the class 58 group would take some on. Get them back in the UK and see if Doncaster works would work on them or even toton but still got to be called class 58s King of the coal shifters till the the 60 was introduced which is my 2nd favourite class
The 60s were a disaster. Only 50% of the fleet were ever operational at one time.... At least the 58's were more reliable.
I think one of the reasons the 58s were never repatriated was because they just weren't very good. Low tractive effort and poor wheelslip.
I wondered what happened to all the eggtimers (58s). What a shocking shameful waste. These locos had many years of life left in them yet they were withdrawn for some crazy reason!
How did they get the name eggtimers
@@tredworthngaugemodel2753 The cab-at-each-end design gave the locos a sort of "egg-timer" look (that's the glass egg-timers with sand inside).
@@None-zc5vg Thank you
sad to see,but the cost to bring one back to england and re furbish it would cost too much,but there are people out there with the cash,on the other hand Deltics and class 50s seem to dominate private railways now
Repatriate them back to UK‼️‼️‼️‼️❓❓
I’m sure they’ll ALL find a good home..
Discusting brin them back to use.
Or WE can scrap these.
Think the good ols English Electric my first company, well built work horses.
Thay could be sent to Ukrain as Russia is destroying the power station to stop ra transport as it's nearly all electric.
They are built like all EE were like brick shit houses and would most likely survived a blast.
The Ukranian railways run on 'Soviet' 5 feet track gauge.. Oh & by the way have you seen the long lines of Class 60s rusting away at Toton yard?!!
Remember the 58s working MGRs through Burton
I used to live in a house that backed onto the Burton to Leicester line. Remember these and the 56s and 20s. Exciting days.
Hope some of these girls will come home ,maybe. What a waste of power.
Mind me asking but if this is France why is there a ews class 66's today
The noise of a class 66 and a dunnock chirping away.
58050 is supposed to be for the NRM
Like 5 beautiful video, greetings 🚂📽️🔝👋
How ironic that you could hear a class 66 in the background throughout this video, the locos which resulted in the 58s being withdrawn prematurely in 2002
There were efforts to restore 58023 to working condition a few years ago, but unfortunately this was halted by the COVID pandemic
is it at LIP
And 58016 being restored? 58023 is it not the depot shunter?
Alizay is also a depot with Euro Cargo Rail 66/2’s onsite 👍
I wonder why they've been robbing the rad elements out of some of these 58s. I can't imagine they're useful for other locos over there? 🤔
Copper thieves.
@@al66class59 couple weeks wages for that cooper.
That's alot of 58s and a ews 66 down the end on the right
Just like the Class 60s at Toton, shameful.
Class 58s sums it up - this is why Foster Yeoman went to the USA as they were pissed off with Network rails poor performance and developed the class 59 and it looks as if class 66 hauled the 58s to the scrapyard - the rest is history
It was the 56s' lack of reliability that led to Yeoman asking BR to let them buy in US traction. At the time of Yeoman placing an order for 59s (1984), the 58s were still being built. They were simply victims of the 66s' later success.
Why don't we suggest that they are refurbished in UK and sent to Ukraine for their new Std gauge tracks that they are building? The new Std gauge will need freight locomotives. Slava Ukraini
What an idea, I sure hope it is viable.
emd ying ... bring them home . be great to see one haul logs to chirk send the 70s to france
Send the 58s home,,, We send the Dinghys back (Full) 👍😎
@@ianjones4116 ah its you old mate agree ..
Best place for them.
Given that, Didcot and points up to around Leamington they weren't exactly regular visitors to the Western Region I don't remember seeing many of these. It's a pity they've been left to rust.
Hi Mark, these have all since been scrapped so are no more.
Sadly, the locos seen in this video have unfortunately just been scrapped. Now these beasts live on in GCR on Roblox.
Politicians screw it up every time. For me it was Thatcher. Then 56’s , 20,s and 37’s were kings. I 100% get what your saying.
Which is the EWS liveried shed in the background.....
I’ve got a separate video of all of the 66/2’s onsite to follow in the next couple of days 👍
@@trainsplanes awesome stuff mate
Have a number of class 58s oo scale ha. Remember seeing these plus many more when living in Yorkshire
There are 5 of these preserved here in the UK
1 has been dismantled for parts to be used as a replica of a LMS diesel.
Any chance of any being rescued back to the UK....... I am unaware of any here and usable ?
Unlikely I’d say but hopefully it happens.
I mean even if some mainland europe heritage railway takes them on as a spare engine would do.
There would be little chance of these running again, even if they weren't about to be cut up. All of the copper is gone, nicked.
There are four complete 58s here, one of which works (58023). 58016 and 58048 being restored. 58012, not sure.
What are the companies we see on the side of the trains. I have not been very successful in researching what they stand for.
Bloomin French can’t make anything last !
What a waste. Shorly they could be rebuild and reused. 😢😢
Bring the lot back better than scrapping them
Care to pay for repatriation and subsequent storage? I note a few have been butchered, probably for spares.
They've had all the copper nicked by metal thieves. Little else has been removed, at least not by way of useful components.
They have a date with the grim reaper early next month.
They aint as rotten as they would be in the uk they'd have been cut up by now ..
great video who do i need to get in touch with of showing me round the depot?
That must be nearly all of them.
Pretty much so.. None of these are likely to see any further utilisation unfortunately.
So sad to see modern powerful locos just rotting away probably too far gone to be repaired probably now only fit for the scrap man
R the 66s still being used?
yes it will be around for another 50 years easy.
Isn't someone gonna buy one from them? Save at least one! So that's france, I saw some class 66s in the back. Didn't know French railways had them.
They did every well, there's a bunch sold to europe. Others say the ones brought back here have a different horn.
Class 66
So, what is the point being made here? Are the French simply buying British locomotives for their scrap value? Are the British pulling
some kind of underhand deal? What is the reason for this most uninteresting video? My cup of tea got cold as I tried to work out just
why I was wasting my time. But I stayed with it right through. No commentary. The sounds of running locos in the background, but that
was obviously dubbed. This was worse than watching paint dry!
Hi John, please read the summary on the video and you’ll get the answers to your questions. Thanks for your complimentary feedback though 😜
Just to add the class 66’s running in the background are not dubbed - You’ll see those in a further video later this week if you can bare to watch it 😃
@@trainsplanes I wouldn't waste my time on a troll with no subscribers if I was you
You Really are an Ignorant Half Wit 👎👎
How easy is it to see these locos from a public place? If feasible, might plan a trip before they're gone/disposed of.
They’re pretty easy to find - Just off the D508 between Alizay and Le Manoir 👍
@@trainsplanes Okay thanks, might have a trip out there at some point 👍
What's that Class 66 doing there?
DB Cargo have about 60-65 class 66’s operating in France. They also have around 15 in Poland also.
Why has Froggy land got our locos, can't we scrap 'em our selves.
BR was standardizing locos, these,the westerns and others found work elsewhere. 58's worked on building the TGV and in Spain too.
This place is never going to rival Woodham's yard for interesting finds, just a pile of worn out scrap
Ummm, surprising !! I believe the 58s were the last BR designed locos. They were styled as is in the hopes of attracting international sales which never materialised. Don't quote me, but their down fall was weight. They were too heavy axle loading. Given that they have obviously been re branded it looks as if they were sold out of service, and their time has run out here too. Was this a lucky find, or were you aware of them? 👍👍
The class 60s were the last BR designed and UK built mainline diesel locos.
They're listed as being there on some websites
@@andylaws4247 Ok, thanks for that 👍
@@andylaws4247 Class 60 were designed by Brush of Loughborough to a technical specification issued by BR
They trialed SEPEX on one of the 58's before putting it onto the mighty Tug. Sad to see them like this, although were all due a decomposing date. At least other countries made more use of them than BR would have.
Wonder what the class 58's carbon footprint over there life time was?
A lot less than most classes as they had a shorter working life.
Actually much higher as the short working life increased the carbon footprint from build to death. The longer the working life the less the construction footprint. The working footprint would be shorter but as class 37’s are 1960’s technology it seems mad these locos are destined for scrap but 37’s still in use.
Why?, Your still alive aren’t you?, the planets still here and working, those 58’s are useful, comments like yours are not.
@@stevenmoran4060 But their fate isn't determined so you cannot say they had a better carbon footprint!! They could be reused or most likely scrapped. Then how would you calculate the carbon footprint of recycling all that steel and other metals against the years of use if they had remained in traffic! All a bit pointless really!
@@paulnolan1352 What the hell are you on about? Initially i meant the question as they had hauled millions of tons of coal across the UK. How the hell is my comment not usefull. Are you bullying me for asking questions mr Nolan? I couldnt care less about the climate LIE. Im here because i like trains. YOUR COMMENT IS USELESS Mr Dolan.
I want to see those diesels get cut up in a video. Sincerely, an Aussie in Australia