CORNER CABINETS | Types and Solutions
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This video looks at different corner cabinet types and what you can do to make your corner cabinet more functional. It's no secret that I am not a big fan of base corner cabinets, however if you find yourself with one, there are some pretty decent options.
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All base cabinets should be pull out drawer type. I never want to get on my knees to dig out something I haven’t seen in years! Thanks for the content. ✌🏻🇺🇸
Hey! thanks for the comment. Agreed!
I completely agree! We are building a small cabin and there will be NO shelves on the lower section...all drawers only.
@@trishapomeroy9251 two thumbs up!!
Yes, I use bins that basically function as drawers in all my lower cabinets
I have bins on the shelves of my corner cupboard with seldom used items right in the corner. When I need anything in there I simply slip one bin right out of the cupboard so I can slide the corner bin sideways to get at it. If I update I will probably change it but it works for now.
Because all of these options are ridiculously expensive and don't allow you to use all the space, I just use my hidden corner for large bulk items: eg. pet food, gallon bottles (water, vinegar, dishwashing liquid, maple syrup, laundry detergent), large sacs/bags of dry goods, etc. - things I need to access only for restocking.
You end up storing fewer but larger items so you know and can easily see what's in there.
I have a blind corner cabinet that had a paneled rear. This house was built in 1972. So when I determined to redo that paneling, I asked my carpenter to make the corner cabinet back have a pocket door. It now is accessible from both sides. I also asked to have a deeper shelf placed in it. I love it! My kitchen has 3 blind cabinets. I really don't like them. I totally agree that it is simply a waste because I cannot get at the stuff in the back.
Nice! having access from the back is a great way to use the space. Too bad on the other corners though.
We lived in a rental house with not one but two deep corner base cabinets. Since it was not functional for everyday use I used it for storing my paints and stains that I would not store in a shed because of the exposure to the extreme seasonal temps. It worked for me!!
Wow! Now that's a great idea! Thanks for sharing.
I’m sooooo glad I just discovered your channel. You will help me think through many things I never gave much thought to. 👍👍👍
Hey. Well I’m glad too! Thanks for the views!!
Our base corner cabinet with the other side hidden. (The lower cabinet) we took all the shelving off and now it's big enough for a person. The idea is to see better all the way back because the shelving isn't on the way, you can really see better. We use that for every cleaning stuff, so vacuum, mop, carpet cleaner, steamer, and so on. It is amazing, no more things that get lost and really easy to get the vacuum out and in. I know it is really weird place (at least here in Finland, usually it is in hallway) and the big cleaning closet in the hallway, we put all like biking stuff (helmets), skiing things and outside playing stuff and some clothes. Very happy for the lower corner cabinet. But I haven't yet figured the upper corner cabinet out, it is for cleaning stuff also, like different cleaning agent, sponges and so more. Before we used it for big things like flower vases and different stake-sets (fork, knife thingy) because if you put there something big or long it doesn't get lost in there :) so mo point, try to take shelving out (or leave it on the bottom so you don't have to make space for shelving in the storage and you then can see on the back of the cabinet also :) if you don't want to put money in a pull out drawer thingy (see in the video) example (it is really really good if you want to storage example your pans there, get it if you have money. I don't so had to get another solution 😅)
love the thorough explanations and to the point, efficient solutions provided, just what I'm looking for, thank you very much! The pictures provided are actually relevant and illustrates your points exactly, really visualizes the examples you're talking about, I'm a visual person so that rlly helps to see what you're referring too. I've read articles before this video that didn't have photos at all to to show what solutions they were naming and they didn't even explain the solution either, it was really vague so I had to look up the names itself like "swinging pull out shelves" because they provided no details/explanation in article. I really appreciate this video, you actually provided information.
Great ideas!! I put a plastic dishpan/bus tub in mine that I can slide forward to access what I need & then push it back. I know exactly what's in both of mine as I only keep what I use.
very good idea
A dumbwaiter actually functions as a mini elevator for breakfast trays, etc., and is often found in mansions, hospitals, restaurants and hotels. The “dumb” means silent. It is also known as a “lazy waiter.”
The 1737 definition of dumbwaiter (first use), which isn’t at all what we think of as a dumbwaiter nowadays, refers to a portable multi-tiered table or stand for serving.
Some people describe one of Thomas Jefferson’s dumbwaiters as a “lazy Susan,” but it is actually a revolving door with shelves on one side. Outside the room, the shelves would be filled with dishes of food, then the door would be rotated so that the food appeared in the room.
It sort of reminds me of a trick bookcase in a mystery story or the fireplace that disguises the entrance to a hidden room in “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.”
A dumbwaiter is not the same as a lazy susan. A dumbwaiter is a vertical shaft with a pulley or hydraulic system, used to move small items between floors. They're most often found in large Downton Abbey-like mansions where the servants' area (kitchen, laundry, etc) is on a different floor from the living area.
Sarah Renz It can also be a drinks cabinet on wheels that is delivered to the gentlemen in the dining room after the ladies have left, so the men can drink and smoke and talk about matters they want kept from the servants. The cabinet is therefore mum or dumb.
If you look it up, the ordinal lazy Susan was a dumb waiter. From Wikipedia: “It is likely that the explanation of the term lazy Susan has been lost to history. Folk etymologies claim it as an American invention. According to lore, Thomas Jefferson invented the device, which was known as a "dumbwaiter" for his daughter Susan”.
@@Kathy-Carr You can visit Monticello and see that what Tom invented was the dumbwaiter that Sarah described. It's a mini-elevator for small items, not a rotating shelf/tray
In addition, "dumb" was commonly used in place of the word "silent".
It can also be a good solution for a house where the garage is in a lower (basement) level and the kitchen is at ground level. That way you don't have to try to get 4 kids and groceries for a family of 6 up the stairs. Just put the kids in the dumb waiter while you carry the groceries up. I KID, I KID! My friend has this garage-downstairs setup, and she has a full elevator! 💸
The house we just purchased has blind corners. So, thank you, your video gave me some good options to think about. OTOH, I love our corner base and wall cabinets that we have in our current house. I'm really going to miss them. We have pots & pans on the factory installed lazy susan base cabinet and have only lost 2-3 things off of it since we installed it almost 20 yrs ago.
2 -3 things too many .lol. (jk). I think pots and pans is the best use of the space. You should really look into the magic corner when the time comes.
I got the clear trays to fit my lazy susan corner cabinet. Made all the difference. Mine is that half moon type with a minimal edge. Now I store all my rarely use items in the wedged shaped trays and nothing falls out. I can pull them or rearrange as needed. In my next remodel though I'm thinking about somthing I saw in one of your later videos. It is two separate units each behind what looks like a 2 drawer fronts but they open like doors and each has a hinged tray with the half moon shaped unit. They work independent of each other so no bending on hand and knees to get to the bottom tray.
I won the blind corner lottery and have two! We are in the middle of a kitchen remodel and bought a Lazy Susan corner I hope we don’t regret it, but it has to be better than the black hole! We are also changing our peninsula to an island to eliminate the second black hole, and by the way I have a great friend named Susan and she is the opposite of lazy! I really enjoy the value and entertainment your videos provide, keep up the good work.
Hey June. Sorry to hear about those blind corners! lol. Thanks for saying hi, I appreciate the comment.
love the last tip: “no corner”!! heheh good tips overall
Hey! Thanks for commenting!
I'm so glad I found your channel! We are beginning a kitchen plan in a new space that never had a kitchen, and I can tell we see eye to eye on the corner cabinet thing. Block that thing off!! The only other solution, which was in the house I grew up in, was to have access to the corner from the room on the other side of that wall, which was our eating area. Instant tablecloth storage! Our current kitchen has the IKEA corner with the "functional Greta". I'll be binge watching you now.
Hahaha. the "functional Greta". It works!!
Thanks Marti! Appreciate the comments.
Ha! We had a galley kitchen in our previous home and It had a Huge blind corner (next to the Double ovens.) Dining room was on the back of that area. My husband tore out the wall in the dining room (roughly the size of a room door), and installed 4 slider shelves w/ a stationary shelf near the top. It was great for small appliances, and seldom used but necessary items. He also constructed a walk-in Pantry out of Cabinet-style pantry. We found that even if my husband used a step-stool and he is 6'-4", He could not reach to the backs of these cabinets, as they were incredibly deep. He read a book (Yes, this was in the early 90's) and constructed the door frame, sheetrocked the outside and the inside, put in deep drawers, lighting, adjustable shelves and 3 "Lazy Susans". Now we had totally usable space. Also, one of the very few walk-in Pantries in the whole custom-home neighborhood.
Cool! Thanks for sharing. Making the kitchen functional is music to my ears!!
We are remodeling and getting rid of the corner cabinet! All bottom cabinets will have drawers! Can't wait for my cabinets to arrive!
Very helpful. Thanks. I have an old square kitchen with 3 blind corner base cabinets, 2 blind corner uppers and I'm struggling with space because it's SO inefficiently designed. I'm saving up for a remodel down the road, but I need a stop-gap and this gave me some solutions for now along with ideas for the remodel when it comes.
Hey Kyle! Thanks for watching and glad that the video helped. 3 blind base corners 😬
Well made and informative video but I'd like to offer a suggestion. The first home I built had a large kitchen with a ton of cabinets. Lower ones on three walls, upper ones all the way around. Above the upper cabinets cabinets that sat further out. Looked beautiful but over twenty years I spent much of my kitchen time crawling around on the floor hunting for items that were way back in the cabinets(hidden and hard to find). Current house Is a beach style home with an open kitchen. I have four upper cabinets, open shelving between each pair and no lower cabinets except for the sink base and it has trash containers inside both doors. Now as a senior I didn't want to have to get down on the floor to hunt items so all my lower cabinets are sliding drawers or very wide shallow drawers so I can put pots in them and find the one I want in seconds by pulling out the slide. Works fantastic under the range top and very convenient. One large deep one under my oven that holds all my bakeware. A vertical slide on each side of the sink base that holds cutting boards upright on one side and all those boxes of foil, freezer bags, wax paper etc on the other side. Three units are all three drawer cabinets. I have an Lshaped blind cabinet where my bar meets the back cabinets and no room for a door there so that blind unit has three drawers that face into my dining room. Open concept so not one wasted inch in the kitchen. And where do I put my appliances. I have a full size walk in pantry behind my kitchen where I keep loads of appliances, dry goods, etc. When I was preparing to build my second home I was walking around the lumber yard and found a frosted glass door with pantry sanded into the glass along with fruit. I bought it on the spot and it looks great in my kitchen (marked down to $69). I think everyone should build one home so when it comes time to build that retirement home they already know what doesn't work for them. If it's going to be a two story make sure your stairs are at least four feet wide so you can add a stairlift (all my main living areas are upstairs) and solid box on the stair lift hauls my groceries upstairs with ease. All your interior doors should be three foot wide if they'll fit.
Hey! Thanks so much for your input. Very good suggestions. And having access to a corner on the back side of a peninsula is a great use of space.
@@MTKDofficial I built all the cabinets in my kitchen so I could fit them to the dimensions of the area. Things like instead of that dark hole of cabinet over the fridge mine in an open cupboard with display glassware like colored mason jars. I will say that I'd never want to go back to lower regular cabinets after building all the sliding drawers that hold my cookware so that it's easy to see and find. The biggest issue isn't the cabinets but deciding what color appliances and what size you'll be able to get in the future. I recently had to replace my fridge and I have all black appliances. It took over six months to get a replacement. I was also limited by the opening to a 25cubic ft or less fridge. So as I said think long and hard on size and color before buying and laying out your cabinets.
Thanks for sharing Mark. Now I know the options available for the corners in my work in progress kitchen. Fortunately or unfortunately I have two of these spaces in my kitchen 🙄
Hey Jess! Thanks for the comment. Glad I could help. Good luck with those two corners (ouch).
Hired the contractors but still trying to figure out what to do with that corner!! GRRRR!!!! This was VERY helpful!! Thanks so much!
Block it off, block it off, block it off....
Yep,Mark, we also have such a blind corner cabinet and I hate it!! I'm 64 years old, have a lot of problems physical so this is a huge problem for me. I hope, in the near future we can chance the kitchen and that cornercabinet!! So many thanks for all the tips you give and have given!! Pinkie
Thanks so much! I appreciate you taking the time to comment! Hopefully that kitchen reno comes sooner then later.
What I did with mine was use drawer glides. I put the first one on the bottom of cabinet so it would pull out through the door opening. The second went 90 degrees to the first just barely clearing the first but pushes back into the cabinet to the right of the door opening. The third one went in just like the first at a level giving you usable space on both the first and third shelf. You could do a fourth one going 90 degrees to the third like the second.
The way it works is the second and fourth shelves are pushed to the right. The first and second are pushed straight in and the door is closed.
Open the door and pull either the first or fourth drawer out then move the shelf that is exposed by that shelf to the left. When you are done push the one shelf right out of the way of the one that is pulled straight out. Worked great for way less than $400.00
Sounds very interesting. I'd love to see that in action.
i don’t quite follow ur method u described. poor visualizer here lol
Love it. There is a video about this. Hubby installing it for us soon.
After much nashing of teeth and wrangling the budget, I went for the magic corner. Best thing ever! In fact I have two. Two corners why not? I'm so glad we went that way. One takes all the china dishes. Other , chopping boards and all things food preparation. I've had them a year now, no problem. Magic they surely are
Yeah, they are definitely the way to go in a blind corner. But like you said, very pricey. But the ones I've seen are a very good quality, which is definitely what you want.
Which brands do you suggest? 🤔😊
I adore my sis-in-law galley kitchen. A friend installed pull out shelves on glides. After years of throwing stuff in the back of those lower cabinets, like a fondue set & fry daddy ,tons of Tupperware,
now just a beautiful tidy & useful utilitarian kitchen.. Most of these solutions are wildly expensive.
I use , my dead space in a corner cabinet from the the late 1950's when the house was built is for not much worth writing about.
I have the Triple Corner Recycling Centre by Richelieu in my corner space and it's a game changer! I have one container for garbage, one for recycling, and the third for empty beer cans for return. Couldn't imagine life without it, no joke.
Yeah, I used to sell those. Pretty cool units. I think I'll add it to my next corner cabinet video coming out soon. Thanks for sharing!
I’m doing exactly what you last suggested in my new design. After years of dealing with different corner solutions I decided to just block it off to make the entire design easier.
You won't regret it!
When I remodeled my 12x14 kitchen, I put in 2 corner base cabinets with lazy susans & they are great! Without them I would have NO place to store small appliances or pots & pans. I just wish I had something similar in the top cabinets because that is where the hidden space is wasted. I couldn't do a galley kitchen because the 3 kitchen accesses broke up the available wall space. So it really depends on the available space you have to work with.
Hey! The main thing is that it's working and you love it! Thanks for commenting!
I have seen angle cabinets for the upper cabinets. That is what I would get for a upper corner cabinets. The turnstiles in the lower corner cabinets are great for small appliances especially if the have a tall lip so nothing falls over.
Found your channel just the other day and have been binge watching all your videos. My husband and I are planning on renovating a 50x30 ICF building (was a shop) into a residence so kind of a new build; and your videos are providing a ton of information , so thanks for that! What is really cool is you don’t live very far from me, it’s nice to follow a You-tuber from your own province.
I totally agree with the corner cabinet ( no cabinet) idea. We are staying in a house that has a cabinet similar to yours, the corner space is blocked off. It’s a small kitchen and at first I thought it was a total waste of space, but I have found it so functional and plan to do same thing in new kitchen. The uppers don’t wrap around corner either, they just run straight across one wall, I like this as well; albeit, the wall with no cabinets is short and has a window. I’m not a fan of the lazy Susan - have relatives with these and I prefer not to have.
Great content!
Hey Darlene!! Thanks so much for saying hi! I really appreciate you letting me know. Yeah, I'm obviously a huge fan of blocking off corners. I get a lot of gripe from people over it too. haha
Love to know where in NS you live.
@@MTKDofficial We live half the year in Brooklyn (beside Liverpool) and the other half in Port Hood Cape Breton.
That's cool. I worked a summer in Liverpool once at the mill.
I'm a Caper through and through! Thanks again for saying "Hi"
Hi, thank you Mark, for these really great ideas. My solution. Get a large plastic tub with a lid, that fits easily into this blind space. Put your Holiday tree ornaments in it. It's fairly easy to pull out this single tub once a year, and cheap.
Tony! This is a great idea! I need to make a list of these ideas. Thanks for the comment.
Brilliant. I’m lucky enough to have two of them. I always surprise myself when I’m digging in those cabinets - I totally forgot I even had a . It’s like finding a $20 bill in an old jacket except the $20 is something I’ll actually use. Thanks for the idea!
Was thinking the same thing, although I use some home made mdf drawers hidden behind the plinth for our Christmas Decorations!
It’s a good space for a safe, accessible from the room on the other side of the wall.
When I was in school, my family had a counter like this. The corner was accessible from the dining room, not from the kitchen. It worked very well.
Oh, interesting. Thanks for sharing that!
Nooo way! That is the best idea ever!! A secret place. If i was to do that, then the other side would be my master bedroom closet! Hmm but i think im late, my uncle already broke in from the kitchen sink because I CANT BELIEVE THEY DIDNT LEAVE ANY ACCESS TO THAT SPACE! LIKE REALLY?
Thank you so much. You have helped me to smile through my kitchen cabinet dilemmas. Lol thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Hey! Glad to help! Thanks so much for watching!
I have two extra-deep blind corners, with shelves halfway up that Will Not Come Out. This meant putting in single-level Rev-A-Shelf units. I did three of the four possible, quite an expen$ive fix, but glad I did it. The fourth corner houses a large roasting pan I seldom use in the back, with large pans in the open area, so not hard to access any of it. A previous house had the two-level lazy susan cabinet, which I really prefer-sort of one-and-done.
I have a blind corner (that I despise), and yes I know exactly what's in it - my old deep fryer. That's it. I can't be bothered using it or that space. I erased it from my memory. We were going to do a full main floor reno with a great kitchen, but backed out after the contract was signed. The mystical 'divorce dust' started to kick up in the idea phase, and that's all it took for me. I'd rather be married than right (and I AM right). My plan was to build a floor to ceiling small appliance cabinet with a slim door that either opened or slid open/closed. Again, it never got done, but to this day I can still see it clear as day in my head. It's based off an idea I saw in another YT video, in fact. And IMO, it would have solved 80% of the problems with my dinky 7.5'x7.5' kitchen and vast small appliance... addiction. Oh, well. Perhaps I can put on in our next home. *crosses fingers*
Haha. I love this comment. The "divorce dust"!! It's a real thing. Hopefully you get that dream kitchen someday!
My vote is for a drywalled in corner pantry. I bought a vacation house that came with a framed in pantry and it has been just brilliant for storing so many dry goods in easy reach and easy sight, yet out of sight when the door is closed, with floor to ceiling shallow shelves. My current kitchen plans are to framed in a corner pantry. Upside is i'll only need straight run countertops. Might also insulate it from the living space so it keeps the root vegetables longer (cold outside wall location)
If room permits, that's a great way to do it for sure!
for my totally blind corner base cabinet I am considering adding an exterior access door and installig a 2.5 gallon electric hot water heater for easy hot water without wasting water waiting for it to heat up the pipes. I did something similar for our adjacent bathrooms and we love it.
Yeah that is a very good idea for the blind corner. Smart thinking!
Very informative! Thank you so much!
I do! I remember flat lay countertops. I am old and was designing kitchens in the early to mid 90s at a big box store to start. Our current kitchen (55 year old home) is U-shape. The cabinets are made in place so there are no sides, only faceframes. This makes the corners a bit easier to use but horrible in other ways for the rest of the "cabinet" space. I have planned the new kitchen with no corners, of course. 😂
LOL. Awesome! Not a lot of people remember that term!
This was really good - I have some of the corners you discuss and have some of the same issues. While storage it nice - lack of accessibility is even worse.
Hey! Thanks for the comment!!
Great video! I know, Suzans aren’t lazy!!
Exactly! Sorry, Suzans.
Good advice….thumbnail😂🤣😂🤣👍🏻👍🏻❗️❗️❗️
I am busy currently designing kitchen cabinets and your input was very useful. I am looking at a standard unit width (typically 600 mm based) with no units fixed to the walls and all unit with wheels. I have read that in certain countries a kitchen does not have any cabinets at all. They all went with the previous owner! You bring in your cabinets and position as appropriate to the new kitchen area. You mention a Galley kitchen layout which I think means there are no corners demanding to be filled with useless corner cupboards. Again my thanks. Paul, Johannesburg
Thanks so much for watching Paul! I’m glad my content is helpful. I’ve heard that too of people taking their cabinets with them. Interesting concept. My only thought, what if they don’t fit in the next house?
I agree with u sir, I m going for a straight kitchen in my new home.
Omg I’m so excited!!! I’m praying you have my solution. I’ve paused so will see. But you’ve shown my corner cab. Mine just has 1 door. But also a sink. Hoping I’ve solved my issue thanks to you. It’s been years. I’m scared to unpause and be disappointed.
Nooooooo!!!! All I got was it’s hard to have a solution. Thee end! 😭😩😫
Hey Shannon. What exactly is the problem you're having? Maybe I can still help. or maybe not. lol. but I could try. 😀
I have the 45 degree corner cab with my sink. I keep cleaning supplies under there. I’ve created boxes as organizers but they still aren’t easy to access. The cupboard gets messed up often. So I want something to make accessing the products under the sink easy. And something that covers a lot of the space under there.
One design I decided to do is a blind corner, but have the water-filtration system hidden away with a small magnetic hatch to replace the filter twice yearly. Genius!
Cool! I love creative ideas like that!
OMG, I hate cornerbase cabinets!! We have that and really it is a pain in the butt!!! When we change things that will change too, you can bet on that!! HIHI.
NO MORE CORNER CABINETS!!! Love to you and the family from old Pinkie
My mom has a fantastic lazy Susan in her bottom corner and for 50 years, it has been well used valuable space!!! I’ve cursed the previous owner of our house for not installing one like my mom’s for 20 years now! She also has one giant corner upper that holds giant mixing bowls and Tupperware. Useful for anyone who cooks volume food ;-)
Your mom is one of the lucky ones! Most lazy Susans are brutal to deal with. The main thing is she is getting the best use of the space!
Hi Mark ! Love your videos- so informative and you deliver them with a calming tone very welcomed by this crazy housewife redoing her kitchen! I was set on voiding the corners and adding two banks of drawers - then our designer suggested the corner drawers and two 9 inch pullouts on sides. I'll admit It sure looks cool and seems to offer a good option but which honestly gives more actual storage ??? I need as much as possible!Thanks in advance! Keep up the fantastic work! I think since we started planning this I've watched all your videos!!
Hi Daniela! Thanks so much for the comment. I appreciate you watching my content. Corner drawers are a good solution, but I'm not a fan of 9" pullouts. Unless there is no other option. You could block the corner and have two 18" cabinet. Or a 45" blind corner with an 18" on the other side. I'm sure they gave you all the options, but those are some considerations.
Hi Mark! Omg thanks for replying! I'm so excited. 😊Yes, that's exactly the other options they gave. Our designer said she will do whatever we want (but is encouraging the Lemans kidney shaped thingy) but mathematically I just didn't see the extra storage space gained as opposed to the two draw banks. Our contractor can't believe we want to close off useable space Do you really think it offers that much more than drawer banks like they say? I hate corners and I told my husband I'm going with whatever you say because I have to finalize this !!! Thanks so much!!!
Thank you for this very informative video with excellent options. My kitchen has this corner cabinet. With a shelf that was cut to match the shape,it has never worked 😢because the pegs can’t be driven in as my stove is next to it three years I’ve fixed it and as soon as I place my things in it falls 😑 I will purchase a pullout for sure.
I love my totally separate galley kitchen. It's part of why I never want to move.
No corners = bliss. lol
Hi Mark, I just want to say thanks! I bing watched all your kitchen videos last weekend! You will be proud… I got rid of my blind corner cupboard and put in another bank of draws!!
I’m just trying to work out now if I need a 3 or 4 draw bank ( I will have 3 banks) any hints about that?
In my corner blind I put a large punch bowl, cake travel containers and seasonal serving platters and pitchers. Yes I have to get on all 4s twice a year to get that stuff. Good news is my grandchildren speak and understand English now and are eager to please and will drag that stuff out for me ❤️
Grandkids for the win!!
I love your videos! Can you tell me what size the two wall cabinets behind you are? I have the same corner in my kitchen. I'm not doing a corner on the bottom but on the wall from the window to the wall I on have 24" to the corner and cabinets are 26". I do have 24" on the wall with my oven but that means I need to leave the space on the sink wall empty which looks unbalanced to me because of the 24" cabinet on the other side of the sink. What would you do?
Hey Michele! Thanks so much for the comment and for subscribing! I really appreciate it.
Now, as for those cabinets.
Those two cabinets are an 18" and a 21" with a corner filler. I have about 38" of wall space, so I had some room to work with.
You said the cabinet is 26". Is this the wall corner cabinet? And is it an IKEA cabinet?
Depending on the cabinet brand you are using, you have a couple options. If they offer a 90 deg. corner wall cabinet (normally only custom suppliers have this), or use a 9" wall and a corner filler into 21" ) or whatever would fit.
Another option (and this is only to create symmetry and not function) is to use a blind corner wall on the oven side (can't believe I said that lol) and on the sink side put open shelving and butt them into the "blind" panel of the other cabinet. Again, a wall blind corner is horrible for function, but it is an option to make it look more equal.
Feel free to send me a picture of the space to my email. If I see what it looks like I may be able to be more helpful. marknamytobin@gmail.com
I'm dying to see how you did your corner! LOL! I will be planning a kitchen this fall and had planned to do the Lazy Susan.
Well by all means, go for it. It's just not something I like, at all, obviously.
Don't miss it either. I block it off with a corner filler and use each end as a separate cabinet. One is a pullout spice rack (from IKEA) the other is only shelving. May put a pullout in later.
@@MTKDofficial That sounds really nice.
Thanks! Interesting options. Currently ours is a dead zone & not being used. Is there a lift system for the corner cabinet space, similar to what is used for hidden TVs? I imagine any overhead cabinetry could be modified as needed.
There is. The one I'm most familiar with is Qanto. It's pricey but looks pretty cool. I have a video on it too. ua-cam.com/video/dF_Sm0QdqqY/v-deo.html
Great tips! I have a corner cabinet with a Lazy Susan in it. I don’t like it a d was researching other options. But it looks they would be expensive and not really worth the expense. Thank you!!
Hey thanks! I'd say the best solution is to maybe change out the lazy susan itself in this case. There are some better quality ones out there. Rev-a-shelf make some dandy's. It can be expensive to change out the whole unit and end up with something that is not really more functional.
That is nearly 10 minutes of my life I'll never get back.
Yet you wasted more time to leave a useless comment. Thanks for watching!
@@MTKDofficial It didn’t tell me anything.
I have a 7’ wide by 17’ kitchen. I put a lazy Susan undercabinet and the pull out kidney shaped cabinet. I am 72 and I find them both fully functional despite some of my limitations. I keep the multi cooker, the smallest kitchenaid stand mixer and a full sized food processor on the lazy Susan top shelf for easy access and lifting.
Perfect! That’s the main thing. It’s working for you!
OMG I LOVE to hear you say that about not putting the corner cabinet in. We are getting ready to remodel and I had to fight the designer at Home Depot, Ron Bannister O'Brien, because I said I didn't want a corner cabinet. If fact, I had to explain in detail every time I wanted to rethink or change something. The funny thing is that I had already designed it, using Ikea and cabinet.com's planner, (which by the way Ikea is my choice for cabinets, if only I could get my husband on board) but between sending him the design and our design meeting I had re-thought somethings, which apparently he didn't like. The experience was mind blowing. One of the rudest experiences I have ever had. I actually had to get up and walk out in order to keep my cool and keep the meeting G rated. Obviously we are not buying our cabinets at Home Depot, lol!!
Hey Cindy! That's not a fun sounding experience. My motto when dealing with clients has always been, "it's your kitchen and you have to love it". Our job is to give our best advice and design a layout that is functional for the client while taking into consideration their wants, needs and ideas. Regardless of whether I liked it or not. It's not about me. Sounds like you are sticking to your guns and getting the kitchen the YOU want. Good on ya!! Thanks so much for the comment!
A solution that we have used to delete the blind corner by inserting a cabinet from the next room. For instance, we have accessed from the other side of a peninsula or my new favourite, putting the cabinet in the corner of adjoining laundry room. Love your channel.
Hey Karen! Thanks so much. That is a great way to use the corner space. Especially the laundry room idea. Really smart!
In our tiny recreation home I did this. I put doors on the living room side of the corner cabinet in the peninsula and we use it to store games and puzzles.
We have that on the corner cabinet on our peninsula. I love that little nook, really takes advantage of what would be empty space next to the dishwasher otherwise.
we lover the double tier lazy susan in our base cabinet
DING DING DING!! That’s what it is!!! I have a shelf so I can’t access back TY!!
Hi Mark, great information always! I am following your lead on not having a corner cabinet on my IKEA kitchen wall. That said I am curious what the minimum filler strip width can be so that both doors will function properly? It is hard to see from your video what that distance is.
Thanks so much.
James
Making them 3: is ideal. You can get away with a smaller filler depending on if it's a hinged door or a pullout. With a pullout, you want to make sure you can pass the handle on the other door when you pull the door out. For hunger doors, you could get away with 1 1/2" or 2". Hope that helps!
I'm preparing for a kitchen remodel, so I got up the courage to see what I had stored in my blind corner. I found a George Foreman grill and two waffle makers, which I donated to charity. I haven't made waffles in years and who needs a GF grill when we have air fryers?
haha. Epic!! We had a GF grill and two waffle makers as well. Years ago now, but that's too funny. Crazy what's hiding in the depths of those corners. Thanks for sharing!
I gave my george forman grill away. It seemed to over cook meat to easily. I bought a large air fryer that I also never use. Why? I have one of those old nuwave ovens that is actually an air fryer only larger and clear so you can watch foods cook and know when they need to come out or turn.
Our 90 degree cabinet has 1/2 of the upper shelf removed. It makes it easier to reach in and gives a place to store taller items. I like it. We had another corner with a blind cabinet and I had my husband block it off.
Haha my husband installed our laminate flat-lay. He acts like it's the only way to do it 🤣
haha. Well, respect to him for even knowing how to do it. Maybe it will make a comeback!
My top cabinet is a two piece door that folds open, the bottom is the same but with a lazy susan. It's a great space saver with ALOT of storage.
Oh I don't disagree that there is a lot of storage. But I still don't like them. lol
I really thought you were going to conclude with a corner pantry as the best solution, but I like your idea of just leaving it out. It may be possible to access the unused void from the adjacent room, or in some tiny homes, you may find it to be a clever place for your small water heater.
Well, if the space allows, I would consider a corner pantry (built-in and drywalled), but the adjacent room access is also a great idea too. Had that when I was a kid.
Your idea of putting a small water heater in there would probably only be viable if it can then be easily accessed (which is usually the problem with corner cabinets to start with). If cabinets are permanently installed around it, it's not accessible to maintain, and if it leaks you won't know until it's already ruined the other cabinets.
@@jlanam for sure. We were just throwing the adjacent room access idea around. It's not unusual to have a laundry/ utility room next to the kitchen. Tiny house or apartment stuff.
Question what if you have a nice kitchen but a goofy pantry hiding in the corner. I was thinking to remove the pantry and finish with cabinets. What do you think?
What are your thoughts on floor to ceiling, corner L pantry? The corner counter is a problem for me in addition tothe issues with corner cabinets because i am 5' tall. Anything i place in the corner counter is a tough reach for me.
I've seen them done before with shelves that are offset. Hard to explain, but they weren't corner shelves in the pantry. This seemed to be an easier way to access all parts of the corner pantry. Overall, I'm not a huge fan, but it could be a decent solution if designed well.
I specifically chose a blind corner cabinet for our design because I liked the "magic corner" insert. I didn't mind the blind corner in our prev house. I disliked those little folding doors with the other style.
Yeah, the magic chef is probably the best corner appliance. If I don't have the option of blocking off a corner, that would be my go to!
@@MTKDofficial I was only looking this far at equivalent from revashelf. Ironically, we are probably one of the few who are ADDING a corner to the kitchen during reno lol. Before we had an L separated by an exterior door so no corner. However, the door opening interfered with my comfort at the range (it blocked the adjacent countertop when open, and we live in a climate where the door can be open most of the year). So, instead of having to buy a new door with the opposite side opening, we decided to close off that wall and add a window. We will later add an exterior door to the adjacent bathroom, which will be more convenient to access from the outside pool area then. We already have two additional egress ways on the kitchen floor. I knew our gain was primarily countertop not more functional cabinet space, but I think any extra to pay for blind corner vs nothing is worth it.
We have a 45° corner base cabinet and I HATE it! It's where things go to get lost. I love the idea of taking it out and making a regular corner there with a cabinet or drawers on each side. I think it would be a skinny cabinet on one side but I have been keeping my banking sheets, etc between my stove and the corner cabinet and it's disasterous. So a skinny cabinet for things like that would be wonderful! Thank you for the ideas. I thought we would have to move to have a better kitchen because we couldn't think of anything else.
Hey Marjorie. Glad I could be of help! Thanks so much for watching.
Hi Mark! I have a corner sink with a base 45 degree cabinet. I love my sink but hate the storage. Any ideas or suggestions? Thanks!
Those sink bases do have lots of space. Sometimes it's possible to add a pullout insert on the base. Adds a little accessibility at least. This all depends on how the plumbing is routed too.
@@MTKDofficial Thank you. Unfortunately the plumbing is right in the middle. I have a small lazy Susan on one side and a two tiered shelf on the other. I keep seldom used items in the back but like a corner cabinet it's hard to get something. I really wish now the cabinet design store would have talked me out of the corner sink. Thanks for your input.
Thanks for some of the suggestion for corner usage however I'd love the see the 45" angle for the corner unit. Would that have draws as well? I know you said no more than 18", I some wasted space and would love the have this corner unit.
Hey Rosemarie! Yeah the 45 unit can definitely have drawers. That's probably the best way to do it anyways!
@@MTKDofficial Hi Mark I’d like to see what you’re actually taking about. I’ll have to design and install it myself so see the actual cabinets would help me. Thanks
I have my kids pull things out of my blind corner base cabinets. When they aren’t home I just don’t use the stuff there. Thankfully, when my husband reorganized our kitchen he thought to just put our seasonal stuff there so we only have to access it a few times a year. The other side of the cabinets is a peninsula and there is a door on the backend to get to that blind corner. It’s by the original phone Jack so I call it a phone book cabinet but I love the back end access to it. Wish I could do that on the other side.
I always suggest a lazy susan corner with a hinged door, but with just a single big shelf that only goes across 1 side. It is a great place to store things like roasting pans, or rarely used counter top appliances. And when my kids were little we put all the plastic bowls in it so they could hide in there.
Oh interesting. Good idea for sure.
Hi! My future kitchen corner looks just like yours with the sink on one side, a range on the other with room for a 90 degree corner cabinet in the middle. If I eliminate the corner cabinet, how wide can my drawer banks be, especially the one on the sink side so it doesn't hit the range when I open it? -
Mine are both 12's with a 2 inch filler. About as tight as you'd want to go. This video shows it a little better. ua-cam.com/video/AqiRGNPPc2I/v-deo.html
You're right! I have no idea what's in my blind corner! lol
Unsolved Mysteries. lol
Speaking of corners, what do you think about corner appliance garages? That was listed in a recent video in which a designer listed things he was “over”. My architect put one into our design, but my feeling off-hand is that it would be better to have that open counter space. I could move appliances away whenever I want and have that space to serve food, etc.
Hey Lenora! I'm not a huge fan of appliance garages. I personally just don't like the look and it makes replacing countertops a real chore. And yes, I prefer the countertop space too. The best thing is to go with your gut on this one.
Your information was GREAT however instead of watching you I need to have that time to look at examples (not snapshots) of what you are describing. Thanks very much for the great information
flat lay = self edge. That's what we called it. I don't know if that's correct though. I have a BCB in my kitchen and added the rev a shelf magic corner. I show it off to people in my kitchen. You're right expensive but worth it. I got my cabinets from HD designed it myself then basically bought every accessory from the Rev a shelf catalog.
Yeah Rev-a-shelf have some pretty great stuff. I'd say the BCB is my least favourite cabinet of all, but the magic corner is my most favourite accessory, lol.
I was literally just laying out my kitchen and thought, can I just do no corner?!? YT knew just what to suggest.
Cool! Although I think Google can read thoughts sometimes, which is a little crazy.
What are your thoughts on putting the stove in a corner? I've seen it on Pinterest and thought it was a good solution to the "black hole" corner cabinet.
The issues for me are the void behind the stove and how to mount proper ventilation. If the wall behind is made to be 45deg, it would be best. But a 90deg corner is not best suited for a stove. I'm sure lots of people do and make it work, I just wouldn't recommend it.
This was very informative. My stuff is always lost in the corners.
Good suggestions
Wonderful information... as usual! Hey, Mark Tobin, SO, would you please tell me the name of your counter top?
Yeah it's Formica's Calcutta Marble (3460)
Two things, and a bonus. First, the famous Frankfurt Kitchen solves the problem. The counter perpendicular to the sink is a board like a table, so the corner cabinet drawers can be reached from a seated position on a kitchen stool.
Second, I know this sounds strange, but Star Trek (TNG) has an answer. Build a roll-out chair that matches the cabinets: the chair has a cabinet front. Then you just need a pull to pull a stool out of the corner. That way, you have a place to put both a kitchen chair and a kitchen stool. (This comes from the bridge on the show.)
As a bonus for your hated kitchen planning station, look at the "Step Saving Kitchen" the U. S. Department of Agriculture promulgated in 1949. It has a planning station that doubles as a tea cart. Wacky sounding, but probably intensely practical.
I'd be curious as to what you would come up with for a step saving kitchen today!
Two replies and a bonus. First, it sounds like I need to start watching Star Trek again.
Second, I'm going to look into the Step Saving Kitchen.
As a bonus, you're comment was very interesting and appreciated!
After almost 30 years of putting up with this I bought a styoro chest. I am going to move evacuation/travel supplies from another cabinet into it. (canopener, sm cutting broard,disposable table suff,etc.) On top is a plastic bedtray. In front are 2 sets of heavy duty expandable pantry shelves side by side. On these are sacked a griddle, a flat casserole crockpot and a giant oval sinksize colander. Underneath is a plastic shoe box of floral arraiging supplies. The shelves extend most of the way to the wall leaving enough space for a container of Costco garbage bags and a few bottles of dish soap. A basket of scrubbers steel wool,etc. sits on the front shelf. This arraingement leaves clear access to the 3 shutoff valves under the sink.
Hi mark .. love your overmount sink ! Can i ask what brand it is
What about the overhead corner blind cabinets that run deep and are extremely tough to use? any suggestions?
Hey Shamal! I've yet to come across any type of accessory, dedicated to a blind wall corner. The best things for any wall cabinet is a pull-down unit, but that would not work in a corner.
I wish there was a great answer for you. I'll keep thinking about this and ask some people who know more than me. Hopefully, I can get back to you with a solution.
Dumb waiter means something completely different in the US. A dumb waiter was like a mini elevator operated by a pulley system that moved food from basement kitchens to first floor dining room or even second floor bedrooms. Usually only seen in Victorian mansions. Though I’d love tho have one to bring clean laundry from my basement laundry room to my second floor bedrooms!
Best video .going through this. Now to find a place who will do this. Ehat size is the 2 upper corner cabinets behind u?
There is an 18x36 and a 21x36. Corner filler is scribed to fit.
Thanks for the comment.
@@MTKDofficial thank you . You didn’t address cabinet height in this video. I currently have 42 in. I can’t believe I’m saying I miss my soffits from my old kitchen but the thought of dust and grease mixing on top is a turn off. Not to mention the height. What are your thoughts on stack cabinets? My new kitchen is small and it hasn’t a huge oversized island of like 100 in. From the previous owner. I need property brothers in here! Li
Ol ! We r redoing and I am spinning my wheels. I’m losing 5 sets of 30 in drawers when I rip this out. And an 18 in drawer set. Do you have an island video?
My kitchen has all three types of corner cabinets and it’s just bad… we’ve added a bunch of ikea shelves, etc on an empty wall space to supplement the poor cabinet layout :( Thank you for posting this video, hopefully I can find a solution!
Thanks for watching and I feel your pain. Of all the corners, the blind is probably the easiest to remedy. It’s just expensive.
I have flat lay laminate counter and cabinets.....and I have these cabinets with hidden spaces I know what's in them, which is barely anything because....they suck! So I try to put big things in them I know I won't need for lonnnng time! Watching to fix the problem, but saw your stove, looks awesome! Is it built tough? Easy to clean??
Hey Ashley. Thanks for watching! We really love the stove. So far so good as far as quality and cleanability. It's 3 years old. The one issue are the knobs on the front easily turn on if you bump into them, which nearly caused a bad. situation when we were moving in. I'd prefer a different option other than knobs.
Have the 45 degree lazy Susan. Had to have it there was no storage in this tiny kitchen.
I have flat lay countertops that curve up into a backsplash. Probably original to the house circa 1979. Cannot wait to upgrade to anything else as the heat from the stove has started to melt the flat lay next to what was probably the most frequently used burner by the previous Owers.
Wow. Yeah that used to be the best way to do countertop.
We all always called them "Industrious Susans". My daughter is named Susan and she is quite industrious, not lazy at all.
I like that term much better!!
Mark - we are about to embark on the OUTDOOR kitchen … ON a covered deck; pellet grill + griddle + pizza attachment on top + power burner. I have 23’ linear feet. Yes, there will be an under cabinet frig, a sink & I’m thinking a trough sink (to chill beers/wine/juice). The cabinets we are looking at are HDPE and all cabinets built custom. Any thoughts of ‘don’t or do’??
Sounds really great! HDPE is definitely the way to go outdoors it seems. What kind of countertop are you considering. Dekton?
@@MTKDofficial No, actually, as we are in Florida and heat/sun/humidity AND rain ALL have to be considered … I’m going a tile countertop. I don’t envision doing much PREP out there …. The counter top will be more of a bar (make your own) and buffet …. Tile will work. AND I want it to complement the pool deck retaining wall (which we tiled).
@@anncarr7645 Awesome. Sounds like it will turn out beautifully.
Hi Mark, thank you for all the time and effort you put into analyzing kitchen design pitfalls.
Re: corners. What do you think of the asymmetrical lazy susan, either the 36/33 (alt: 33/36) or the custom dimensions? I used the term "lazy susan", though I know it is misleading. On the other hand, this cabinet can incorporate a lazy susan. I was thinking they would allow for more visibility, at the very least. In my case, I have a very tight corner; to the right of the sink is a 42" R blind corner with 3" filler abutting the stove and then nothing. The oven wall is 61 1/2", though I could eke out another 5-6 inches without impeding the walk way. The house was built during the stagflation years when every square inch was begrudged, just 5 1/2 feet of counter, 5 1/2 feet of uppers , a sinkbase and a blind corner.
My second question is, when designing what is the source of the cabinet selection and cabinet dimensions, standard stock readily available sizes or semi custom? Thanks
It took several tries to post this comment, not sure what the hiccup was but wondered if it was that the original post contained a link to a video on asymmetrical lazy susans on the Cabinet Joint website.
Hi Edith. Thanks for the questions.
For the corner base, it's no surprise I'm not a fan of the 33/36 option. Mainly because you can't maximize the lazy susan size, so there is wasted space.
In your case, you could have a custom corner built(42x33 with a left hinging door and then a corner door or use the 5-6", add a 9" tray divider, block the corner and add a 15" drawer bank.
For the second question, it's probably best to know the cabinet brand you want to work with. This will save you time in the planning and design stage. If you know what you're working with, it's much easier to plan around those dimensions.
Thanks for the input. the kitchen is 19 x 11 feet, but, up til 5 years ago, it incorporated an eat-in area. We have since added on, freeing up the area where the table was, leaving two walls: 63 and 98 inches. Not to look a gift horse in the mouth, but it's just so galling to have no option but to walk across the kitchen to get frequently used pots and pans. Regards8
Redoing a kitch with a corner sink (wife insists to match the windows in the corner). How do i do a corner sink. A reg 45 Base corner is only 36" on each side. this does not allow for a typical 30" sink because it is too narrow in the front. and the opening is too small for plumber access. Option 2 is a 24" regular base on a 45 degree. I can cut out the tops of the sides to fit the sink. BUT then each side of the sink extends 3" beyond the cabinet. There is no access underneath to this area beacuse its walled off both sides. WIll the counter top installers be able to install the sink if they cant access the sides from underneath?
Have you tried a corner sink that fits a regular corner base? Kindred and Blanco have them. Probably others as well.
Sounds like you can’t 45 a larger sink base.
I have a normal corner cabinet from the outside (I.e. hinged door that pulls out) but the back of the inside is 45 degrees. No idea why. How do I measure for a Lazy Susan for this type of cabinet?
Yeah, I've seen those type before. It can be challenging to put a lazy Susan in those. Measure from the 45 angle to the inside door corner. Hopefully you have enough room for something.