i meant to get two "easy" videos done today. but this took way longer than expected because i went overboard on the editing as usual lol. appreciate the kind words on that though. that means a lot. thanks LMR!
@@bridge4 i 💙blue. And i dont mean Blue from Blue's Clues😅 . Although she fers points for being blue 😋 Nothing like a gorgeous blue sky with few imperfections, (i mean clouds ☁️, which make that blue sky so much more breathtaking...)
Wouldn't it be wild if she gives birth to four, rat-like dwarfs? There is still a rather bizarre prophecy from Daenarys' visit to the House of the Undying in the books that I don't think I've seen a satisfying explanation for yet, which goes something like: "In one room, a beautiful woman sprawled naked on the floor while four little men crawled over her. They had rattish pointed faces and tiny pink hands.... One was pumping between her thighs. Another savaged her breasts, worrying at the nipples with his wet red mouth, tearing and chewing." I've been pondering an tinfoil theory that Cersei, driven to desperation for defying Maggy's curse and having more children (something she wants more than anything else except maybe to be a sort of female Tywin), she may have resorted to employing Qybern's dark sorcery as the means to achieve an unnatural pregnancy, making her a sort of counterpart to Daenary's "Mother of Dragons" role... if so, I wonder what unnatural thing she might give birth to? It's not a very solid theory yet, though: it really needs better foreshadowing than a few hints in supplemental materials that such unnatural pregnancies have happened in the past, hints at the crazy precedents that the Mad King and other Targaryons have set (such as trying to drink Wildfire to become dragons), some of Cersei's internal monologues from the books that suggest that she would eliminate men from the equation of having children if she could, a bizarre vision that might not be related and which only appears in the books, hints of backstory involving all sorts of miscarriages and stillbirths and mothers dying in childbirth and so on, Tyrion's unfortunate birth as a dwarf, and only a couple words of a conversation between Cersei and Qybern that suggests that they might be talking about pregnancy and medication related to it (limited to only a vague "that won't be necessary" from Cersei). Sadly, the TV series in particular lacks sufficient foreshadowing to suggest that anything more horrific than a relatively mundane (if heartbreaking and disappointing) miscarriage awaits Cersei.
I disagree. The books explicitly state he never looked as his children as his children even knowing that they are. I don't know why he would suddenly feel this great fatherly protectiveness. I think his speech about how lying that she would help in the war against the dead was horrible strategy is a better explanation for his actions.
Shes technically already had 4 children. In season 1 she tells Catelyn that she had a "dark haired boy" like Brann. This was the only child she had with Robert. A lot of people have theorized that the child she is referring to is Gendrey.
Cersei: Will the king and I have children? Maggy: Oh, aye. Six-and-ten for him, and three for you. Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds, she said. And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you.
That's actually completely possible since menopause and pregnancy have similar symptoms. Maybe she thinks she's pregnant because she hasn't bled in a while, but really isn't.
needed a day off from a "difficult" video, so i worked on this one since my comment section on the last two videos has received this question at least a dozen or two times doing another "not difficult" video tonight into tomorrow because im still a little beat up from a long weak. ill do the valonqar video over the weekend either 2 or 3 from now with plans on releasing it publicly on Monday 12pm EST
I've always been of the belief that Cersei is telling the truth. 1) It's the simplest conclusion and 2) her being pregnant in no way discredits Maggie's prophecy. For all we know, she could have a miscarriage or die long before the baby is even born. The end is nigh after all. ... though her lying about it makes for a far more interesting story 😄
drifterd Remember, Maggie laughed at her at the end of her prophecy. The jokes on Cersi in the end. It really does not matter if she is pregnant or not.
But remember she told Catelyn she had had a dark haired boy with Robert, who died. So she is already up to four, the witch didn’t say how many children would live, just how many she’d bear.
For the record, I think I made it clear in my comments that I didn't think Circei was lying. I think that they should make it so that she has been delusional. Her having a hysterical pregnancy would perhaps be the most dramatic, and most powerful way to send off this character in the show. As time passes in this next season, as she deals with not having Jamie, it slowly becomes more and more apparent that she is not in fact pregnant, to her and others. As the reality sets in she begins to break, and what that looks like, I can't fathom. That is what I wish that they'd do. Not what I expect to happen. Also, to say we know Circei is in fact pregnant in the show is disingenuous, since again, all we have is Circei's word on that so far.
@@gabrielbrault1999 again, my conception is not that she is faking, it's that she herself is convinced of it, and it not being true. I honestly think that is what would generate the best possible story, and would fit the facts as we know them. Tyrion would have been fooled because Circei herself is convinced of it, is desperate to believe that it is possible. What does she do once that hope is taken away?
@@wagrhodes13 that would make a good story, it would feed her paranoia even more after she realize. I see you're point now. Tyrion's guess helped her in believing it even more then.
@Melly Reed not enough time? Daenerys gets pregnant by Drogo and has her dark magic miscarriage that resulted in her dragons being born in about as many episodes, and those were 45-60 minutes episodes. There is time to tell that story if they make it. In fact it is precisely the same amount of run time as Daenerys' story from episode 3-10 the time of her pregnancy. From series 1 episode 3 through the end of series 1, it is around 440min in all, the same as the published estimate for series 8.
A hysterical pregnancy is certainly an option that might fit in with the "mad king" sort of role that Cersei seems to have embraced. I think there's another possibility, too: she may have been consulting with Qybern for an unnatural way to become pregnant, using the dark arts... it wouldn't be the first time we've seen a magical birth: there's Daenarys and her dragons (not to mention Daenary's and Drogho's apparently stillborn monster of a baby), and there's also Melisandre's shadow baby. We know Cersei is pretty strongly motivated to have children, and that she's pretty strongly motivated to defy the curse that has doomed all her other children, and that she's not beyond resorting to drastic measures to get what she wants, and (at least in the books) that she seems to have a contempt for the necessity of a man in producing children and would seem to be exactly the sort of character that might resort to black magic to become pregnant.... Maybe she really believes she is pregnant because of whatever it was she told Qybern would not be necessary (the next dose of "medicine" needed to become pregnant? the medicine needed to terminate what might be an unpleasant unnatural pregnancy?) And maybe, when it comes time to give unnatural birth, it might end up being something so unpleasent, it'll push Cersei's character the rest of the way into madness.....
Yeah, she's pregnant... but I'm still in the "she loses the baby" camp with regards to the "weepy Cersei" scene. She was drinking wine, teary eyed, and a little vacant, as if that was the last straw. Loving the vids either way!
MissKikkiKat she has to lose her baby cos with the fortune teller when she was younger she said that cersei will have 3 children and the king would have 20 so she can't have a 4th child
I think that weeping scene is going to be a result of bronn reporting back that he killed her brothers for her. I don’t think he will, just like he never sent shay away for Tyrion like he said he did.
IMO, Cersei is lying about the pregnancy and manipulating both Jaime and Tyrion. She's been lying to and manipulating them their whole lives - that is how she controls them. Jaime and their children were Cersei's possessions - she "loves" them as they relate to her, not as people in their own right. And all of them have left her. Cersei's actor is outstanding- love watching her. Am so looking forward to Cersei and Euron's scenes Season 8. He is just as manipulative and conniving as she is and their dynamic should be very entertaining.
josie 1239 Thanks for pointing out that Cersei’s love is narcissistic. The children are her tools, very much as Tywin’s children were to him. Ex: Nursing Marcella because she couldn’t stand to see her in the arms of another woman, not because of her desire to bond with her own child.
While watching this, I had the craziest vision of Cersei being turned into a wight and the baby ripping it's way out of her stomach Alien style and screaming like a White Walker, much to the horror of all onlookers.
i have always thought back to the valonqar prophecy, perhaps she is pregnant, but will die in childbirth, hence the 'little brother' being her killer however, this theory falls down on the 'he will wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you'
Selina Kyle did she in the books? The only info in the show comes from her when she tells Catelyn Stark about her dead baby but I thought she could be lying.
Thank you! someone else thinking straight! Of course it looks weird to us, since the 80s it's been drummed into all of us no alcohol during pregnancy, but they had no such knowledge then, or even in the first half of the 20th century
You're making the assumption that Westeros exists on Earth, and follows our timeline, neither of which are actually true. There's absolutely nothing to imply that they don't have the knowledge that alcohol is bad for a pregnancy. You can't hold them to facts or history as we know it.
Poor Tyrion, not "counting" (according to Cersei). And poor Tommen. He was the sweetest boy with a great heart. He would have been a great King with the right advisors. His strength and mettle would have grown in time.
I love how you flush out “is she or is she not pregnant” in this. You make a good argument for her being pregnant, but I also agree that if the whole thing is, indeed, about manipulation it’s because she’s worried about losing Jaime to Tyrion. The eye tag bit in the Dragonpit with Brienne only adds fuel to the fire. That kind of reminds me of the prophecy in that way-how by fighting so hard to avoid it or prevent the prophecy she helps to make it happen anyway.
For sure. Her whole life has been about her prophecy. And prophecies are unavoidable, so it's wild watching her cause all the prophesied outcomes It's sad tho in a way :(
Cersei started mistrusting Jaime long before. Not necessarily because of something he did on purpose. The moment you realize it is when he comes back with one hand and she tells him, "you took too long". Meaning she counted on him to be there for her and it doesnt matter WHY he wasnt, it only mattered that he wasnt.
Do you think there's anything to the fact that the last thing Tywin told Cersei is "I don't believe you" happens to be the last line between Jaime and Cersei in season seven?
If she is pregnant Qyburn could have been offering something for morning sickness. That would make more sense. Moon tea would be if she was planning on sleeping with Euron and didn't want to get pregnant. What stands out to me more is that we don't know what bargain she struck with Tyrion. What ever Jaime thinks he knows about her plans he doesn't know what they said. Her pregnancy convinced Tyrion she would help against the dead. Her pregnancy forced Jaime to fight for the living (his unborn child) but carry info of her betrayal to Dany. So which brother was right? Who's Dany to believe? Also if Jaime is the valonquar what could prompt him to kill her if not for this kind of lie?
Why does her conversation with Quburn have to be about anything to do with her reproductive system? Why couldn't it have been about constipation? Or a hangnail?
I meased it up at some point tho in the last few weeks. The ball no longer is seen falling down towards the wights. I keep forgetting to fix that tho :-/
I look at the moment when the White Walker is released. If people are suddenly mortally threatened, their hands or eyes usually go to the thing they value most. Rewatch that scene and you see she looks startled, moves back. One would expect an expecting mother to cover her belly with her hands, but Cersei's body language tells us that nope, she's not pregnant. Awesome video, though.
Filip Nielsen “Light of the Seven” is one of the best scores of all time, imo. “The Godfather”, “Superman”, “Star Wars”! Goodness, I can’t name them all. What I do know is every time I hear it, it gives me chills. Damn that’s good!
I think in #13 of 17 they show Jaime’s reaction because he’s thinking of Brienne. Meaning he’ll have to either protect Brienne or Cersei if things go south and he’s torn. He knows Brienne is there in King’s Landing, I think that’s why she and Pod had an escort of Lannister soldiers before the Dragonpit meeting. I think Jaime arranged that through Bronn. He can’t meet with Brienne because Cersei was jealous of Brienne all the way back in season 4 and has made it very clear that she knows everything that goes on in King’s Landing.
I don't think she's lying but I also don't think she's pregnant. I think she truly believes she's pregnant and is incredibly happy about it, but she's menopausal. Unless I misheard her, she said she listened to their father "for fourty years" so in the show she'd be the right(ish) age.
Menopause means that she doesn’t get her monthly menstruation as to bear children. It’s hormones and stuff. So she wants a child so badly to have an heir but she can’t. Wine and consume of alcohol regularly can delay it so maybe she could become pregnant I don’t know lol confusing
Your videos give me life!! They are so well thought out and narrated (not to mention that your voice is as smooth as silk lol). Please keep them coming!!
This is the most in depth analysis of GoT showing more than opinion but many examples from the book and show which is leagues above everyone else. Keep up the fantastic work sir👍🏻
Lol. You're too kind. This was an "off day" video since my mind is burnt I'm waiting until Saturday to do valonqar since I'm so exhausted lol So kind words on back of this one means alot. Thanks!
It's also worth noting that in the books, it was Cersei who initial aggressor of the incest. Cersei pursued and seduced Jaime from the beginning, not the other way around. Their father's servants had to separate them. Tywin agreed to allow Jaime to be a Kingsguard to get him away from Cersei in order to put the rumors to bed. And the main reason Cersei agreed to marry Robert Baratheon was because that would mean going to King's Landing, where Jaime was. There were other reasons too, but that was the main one. Jaime's story arc has a lot of parallels to survivors of forcible incest too. Because whenever he's REALLY away from Cersei, everyone hints to him about how fucking insane the whole relationship is.
Love your videos, and you've got a great radio voice. I wouldn't count the wine too much as a sign to determine whether she's pregnant. Up until the last 40-ish years, no one really cared about drinking while pregnant, especially Europeans. And this story is quasi-historically based so I have to believe that the practices would carry over to this series since GRRM is a rabid historian. Sure, it could be a ruse, or if nothing else I would say it's a matter of turning it down because pregnancy can cause your taste buds and your nose tends to betray you often in your first trimester. (Not that I think that the show at least will be that specific.) Things that you love can taste wrong, and smells you can enjoy can make you sick to your stomach. Now if you notice they constantly drink wine, yet it was drinking *strong* wine, what Robert was given while hunting, something he wouldn't normally drink while hunting. You have to remember that there wasn't decent sanitation (as seen by the women dumping the "night soil" out the window and on to the cobblestone streets. Night soil is from the chamber pots. Also, there isn't water purification... but there is water sterilization. Wine. It's the alcohol in it that kills any pathogens. This is a historical practice, in Europe and in Westeros I believe. So you have a wine that is Westerosi Kool-Aid, and then you have strong wine, which is the one you'll get drunk off of. I would like your opinion on speculations I have. Qyburn took over Varys' little birds and of course, we remember Varys coming and going with Ilyrio in the beginning through the passages under the castle. Varys is also the one who went to Dorne to parlay with Lady Olenna and Ellaria Sand. Later we see Ellaria captured with her daughter and poisoned by Cersei and Jaime giving poison to Olenna. But as with everything, if you don't see them die, they might not really be dead. Qyburn was the one who supplied the alleged poisons in both cases, Qyburn is also knowledgeable enough to know what poison was used to kill Marcella, which means he's knowledgeable enough to fake it. So my question to you is this; do you think that we will be seeing Olenna, Ellaria & daughter again?
I agree I dont think shes lying. Also to add on to yesterday's video, the maggi the frog prophecy already doesnt mean she only has 3 kids because in the show she had a black haired boy with Robert (that's possibly gendry)
I believe in the books also as gendry talked about a yellow haired mother with blue eyes, I believe, singing him songs. But in the show I doubt it would be gendry as she told Cayt her first son with Robert died near bran's bed
@@didide6806 yeah the theory has some holes but it's still interesting to think about. Idk how plausible it is but it's pretty neat. Also she could have been told that the baby died or she lied about it? Idk I didnt make this theory so I dont know a lot about it but regardless I dont think we will even find out if it's true in the show because there are only 6 episodes left
@@kyanchambers260 I believe their will be alot of things unanswered in both the show alike and we will have to fill the gaps with clues given to us by GRRM
I believe that she started losing Jaime when he found out what she did to the sept, resulting in Tomins suicide and her claiming the throne for herself. His look that ended the season actually had me thinking that the king Slayer was going to strike again bc he realized how she's losing it, and I thought that was going to be a pretty cool twist. I think the little emotions and powerstruggle signs she's conveying to make people suggest a lie about the baby is her personal powerstruggle/battle bc she knows she's gone off the wall and is on the verge of losing everything. Shes not good at showing emotions bc she has to be strong and stone like tywin to begin with but she's cracking and those are little signs to that. But I could see it being a lie to manipulate Jaime to stay and establish more power over him during her fragile and crumbling time and account for her pregnancy like emotions.....could also further explain her making rash decisions due to hormones. Either way, the prophecy was pretty much right and never said anything about this one so I didn't see it making it. The other thing I'd like to point out that I'm surprised you didn't is when she was talking to tyrian about euron leaving....she knew the plot that he didn't actually abandon so linking that maybe he had the right idea for the sake of the baby was a lie no matter how you look at it. She was always very good at lying and putting on a show...could be more support to the baby scheme and it served as a good trap. But her hatred for tyrian is pretty absolute and being near him causes her to get riled up which she battles with drinking bc that's what she does.....I think she def would have been if that weren't the case or she weren't that committed to deceiving him. I think show-wise, well never know bc of the E5 though. Lol. I could see it add up of her not being pregnant but I personally think she was. Just doomed to not make it.
Cersi was pregnant when Tyrion offered her wine, but was not when Euron did. She had a miscarriage in the interim. They shot it for season 7 but didn't use it.
Excellent editing. Up till this video I "knew" that Cersei was lying...but then again after watching the series one could be excused for making that assumption. That being said, for some reason, I couldn't help but chuckle every time that the Tywin cutout popped up. Charles Dance owned that role. Seriously though, great vid. You deserve more subs.
I don't understand why people put so much weight on the fact that she is or isn't drinking in assessing whether she's lying about the pregnancy. Westeros is not 21st century Earth where the link between alcohol consumption and fetal health are well known.
I think the more interesting topic is why did she want Tyrion to know she was pregnant and she also spared his life. I think she is depending on Tyrion's family loyalty to help keep the Iron Throne. I think it also suits her to have Jamie out of the picture for when Euron returns with the Golden Company. As for if she is pregnant or not, I am not sure....
Thank you! So many fan theories hinge of the belief that they knew not to drink during pregnancy. The shows have never said this. Nor have the books. Science didn’t confirm this til the 1970s.
Love that line at number #16 of 17, I truly believe she will survive season 8 which I think will subvert a lot of expectations. Maybe she is imprisoned at the end, who knows!
I think Cersei either lost the baby and is lying to Jamie or she is going to lose it/(it's not alive) to the Night King. We already know she is not going to have another child. If you remember the promo from last season she breathed out that icy breath. However she has been slowing losing power over Jamie since his travels with Brienne, and blaming Tyrion for Joffery didn't sit well with Jamie and him letting Tyrion go was a "betrayal" so its a combo of the 2 but more his brother because Jamie loves them both
UA-cam seems to be encouraging these long, meandering podcasts, now. But your clear, concise videos, like this one are what they're sacrificing. What was so wrong with presenting a clear thesis statement, then proving that statement, then wrapping up your video in a timely manner?? You EXCEL at this form.
The whole not drinking while pregnant thing probably isn´t that known in the Game of Thrones Universe. It wasn´t well known in our own world up until a few decades ago. So I wouldn´t count that as "not knowing she´s pregnant" because she probably would drink anyways haha
@@bridge4 I'm slowly getting into the series. I love it, but since dyslexia makes it difficult to read, and autism makes it difficult to tell people apart, I cannot tell you how helpful these updates are.
I am very confused. :( Guy: "He says he can give her something"? Cercei: "That won't be necessary" = He was probably offering her Moon Tea (?) How do you know that again? Anyway, cannot wait to see how it actually is and which theories on youtube turn out to be right! So excited!!
Tormund and brienne is probably just a show addition to give tormund some airtime, as well as a way to add levity to the dark story. There's nothing there tho Jaime and brienne is a central part of both of their character arcs
What if Cersei was just lying about the pregnancy and is just using the pregnancy to gain more power and more control over Jamie? Like what if she is just pulling a power move (like the Queen from Kingdom) just to play mind games on her brothers? . . . But it ultimately backfired cause Jamie left anyways..... or did it? By the way.... your editing skills??? The way you match your tone with the background music??? EPIC!
I'd like your opinion on the below. It was a question on Quore. Is Jaqen H'ghar Ned Stark? Rosetta Reyes Rosetta Reyes Updated Mar 2 Imo, yes, Jaqen H’ghar is Ned Stark. Ned Stark left the black cells disguised as Jaqen H’ghar, whilst one of the three common prisoners was beheaded in Ned’s place. WHITE WOLF Ned Stark was clearly NOT the man who was beheaded on the Sept of Baelor. Eddard Stark wears the Grey Direwolf motif of house Stark. Whilst the man who was beheaded wore a WHITE WOLF motif sewn on the front of his doublet. COMMON PRISONERS. Jaime made note of the other three common prisoners in the black cells at the same time as Ned. There were three others, common men, but Lord Stark gave them to the Night's Watch. I did not think it good to free those three, but the papers were in proper order.’ And yet... only two common men left the black cells. Where did the third common prisoner go? Answer, to the sept of Baelor, It is quite apparent that Jaqen H’ghar is not a common man. Jaqen has a friendly voice, he is the youngest of the three, slender, fine-featured, handsome, always smiling. He is charming and speaks softly to Arya, and always in a polite manner. On the other hand.. ‘This man’s illbred companions in captivity are named’: Rorge, noseless, squat and thick, with huge hands. Black hair covered his arms and legs and chest, even his back. Looking like an ape from the Summer isles. The hole in his face made him hard to look at. And then there is .... Biter, The bald one opened his mouth and hissed like some immense white lizard. Biter hissed, displaying a mouthful of yellowed teeth filed into points. When Arya flinched back, startled, he opened his mouth wide and waggled his tongue at her, only it was more a stump than a tongue. "A man must have some name, is that not so? Biter cannot speak and Biter cannot write, yet his teeth are very sharp, so a man calls him Biter and he smiles. Are you charmed?" No, Rorge and Biter are clearly two illbred common men “A man does not choose his companions in the black cells.” MY LADY OF STARK. It is also quite clear that Jaqen is a well bred man, since he addresses Arya as MY lady of Stark and not M’Lady as a common man would. This is why a man knew Arya Stark by name. “Jaqen is as dead as Arry,” said sadly, “and I have promises to keep. Valar morghulis, Arya Stark. Say it again.” As Jaqen said “Arry is dead”, yet we know that Ayra is still alive, “This man has the honor to be Jaqen H'ghar,” Just so, if Jaqen is as dead as Arry, then honourable Ned is still as alive as Ayra. "A man knows," he said again. "My lady of Stark. This is why a man affectionately kisses Arya softly on the head. He laid a finger on her lips. "Three lives you shall have of me. No more, no less. Three and we are done. So a girl must ponder." He kisses her hair softly. Just as her father Ned oft did. You," Ned said, kissing her lightly on the brow. And again... "As you say. Desmond, see my daughter to her chambers." He kissed her on the brow. "We'll finish our talk on the morrow." So, yes Ned Stark is Jaqen H’ghar. What is most interesting is that Ned Stark is finally going “far and away” across the narrow sea” to fulfill the broken promises he made to his sister, Lyanna. “Promise me, Ned”.
@J.K. - Huh? Where did you get all these details about the men in the dungeon? From the books? If so, this does not apply since the show completely diverted from the books in Season 4. Point in my favor is that there is no Lady Stoneheart (dead Catelyn Stark) in the show and she features prominently in the books.
This was a good attempt at analyzing whether she's lying. Because you metrics are confusing. You didn't make it clear at the beginning of the video exactly how are you were going to assess her scenes. You just told us you were going to use pictures. D
Great analysis as always. One point I would contend is that drinking during pregnancy was pretty common up until recently. Now I know that this is a fantastical world yet if we are going to apply our own logic to it then it stands to reason that in a medieval world a woman wouldn't know about such a thing and would be much more inclined to drink if they were pregnant than a woman who is pregnant nowadays.
As soon as she implied that she was pregnant to Jaime, I was like "LIARRRR!!!! She's taking Jaime for a ride so he doesn't betray her again!!!" Yeah, I been choosing to look like that crazy one this whole time Coz I know she's never been honest in the whole show. There's no reason why she would be honest to Jaime. She's fckn crazy man. And I know I'm right about this one. Thanks again for the vids that give us something to think on while we wait another five weeks. 👍
She may very well have lied. She knew Jaimie was different when he was brought back by Lady Brienne and she may have suspected there was something going on with Jaimie and Brienne. She had her suspicions confirmed when she saw how Jaimie and Brienne were staring at each other at the dragon pit. She's evil, not stupid.
Your main argument is based on the assumption that the conversation with Qyburn was about Moon tea. ... but you seem to forget that Qyburn is hand of the queen, they could have talked about EVERYTHING. That being said, I agree with your arguments that she would like to be pregnant. We do not know if she really is.
Love the videos. One thought I had while watching them is that Cerci dies in childbirth. Which means in a way Jamie kills her via his child. If it’s a baby girl, the beautiful baby girl could be the queen that replaces her.
Cercie knew about Jamie and Brienne long before the parlay. If I remember correctly she caught on to their connection at the purple wedding (at least) but I beleive she suspected something as soon as he got back from his imprisonment. Brienne was there for Sansa and she saw how they looked at each other and asked Brienne straight if she loved him, so her fear of losing Jamie had been there for a while and that also explains that she wanted to get pregnant if anything as a means to keep him. He was all she had left and she feared being alone. She could handle everyone hating her after all she wore that crown with pride but Jamie was her anchor and she couldn't handle being completely alone.
I agree. I think Cersei is pregnant. She is absolutely a master manipulator, who is going crazy. She's also an alcoholic... I think it would take an actual pregnancy to stop her drinking. Plus her conversation with Jaime seemed genuine. I know the books are separate, but Jaime's arc is very similar, and we can't hear Jaime's inner monologue in the show... I really think he's been moving away from her for some time now. In the books he is constantly thinking things that he never says aloud. I feel his thoughts have been shifting for some time, and these were the catalysts to drive him away for good.
But why would she stop drinking because of pregnancy? There's no reason to think that Westerosi medicine would prohibit wine during gestation ... less than 50 years ago it wouldn't have stopped someone in the USA.
@@joemyers3885 This is not based in our world. Tyrion worked out she was pregnant because she wasn't drinking. This tells us that the maesters must know something of the dangers of alcohol for pregnant women.
Great video! BUT, Maggie the Frog doesn't mention the 4th child. She's not going to have it. Cersei must know this, since in the books and the show she is heavily invested in Maggie's prophecy. Surely Jaime knows this as well. She discussed it with him after Myrcella's death in the show.
I figure the same thing with Jaime and Bree. Jaime kills Cersei, and J and B rule the kingdom, because of that very conversation his dad has with him in season 1. Jaime has not yet become THAT man his dad told him to get busy being, so he will!
It was foreshadowed long before that she might be going through The Change. I mean it does explain the mood swings, lack of certain monthly things, and showing all the signs like a pregnancy.
Im a huge fan of your editing. Well done... Meow...🐱 u did "good" 😋
wow. first comment and im already caught blue handed
so far, ive never gotten away with it :(
i meant to get two "easy" videos done today. but this took way longer than expected because i went overboard on the editing as usual lol. appreciate the kind words on that though. that means a lot. thanks LMR!
@@bridge4 😅💎💙🗨 blue handed👋... i hope u did not bruise your writing hand ✍
nah, i just like blue better than red. i know you can dig that =))
@@bridge4 i 💙blue. And i dont mean Blue from Blue's Clues😅 . Although she fers points for being blue 😋
Nothing like a gorgeous blue sky with few imperfections,
(i mean clouds ☁️, which make that blue sky so much more breathtaking...)
Wouldn't it be wild if she gives birth to a dwarf
Wouldn't it be wild if she gives birth to four, rat-like dwarfs? There is still a rather bizarre prophecy from Daenarys' visit to the House of the Undying in the books that I don't think I've seen a satisfying explanation for yet, which goes something like: "In one room, a beautiful woman sprawled naked on the floor while four little men crawled over her. They had rattish pointed faces and tiny pink hands.... One was pumping between her thighs. Another savaged her breasts, worrying at the nipples with his wet red mouth, tearing and chewing." I've been pondering an tinfoil theory that Cersei, driven to desperation for defying Maggy's curse and having more children (something she wants more than anything else except maybe to be a sort of female Tywin), she may have resorted to employing Qybern's dark sorcery as the means to achieve an unnatural pregnancy, making her a sort of counterpart to Daenary's "Mother of Dragons" role... if so, I wonder what unnatural thing she might give birth to?
It's not a very solid theory yet, though: it really needs better foreshadowing than a few hints in supplemental materials that such unnatural pregnancies have happened in the past, hints at the crazy precedents that the Mad King and other Targaryons have set (such as trying to drink Wildfire to become dragons), some of Cersei's internal monologues from the books that suggest that she would eliminate men from the equation of having children if she could, a bizarre vision that might not be related and which only appears in the books, hints of backstory involving all sorts of miscarriages and stillbirths and mothers dying in childbirth and so on, Tyrion's unfortunate birth as a dwarf, and only a couple words of a conversation between Cersei and Qybern that suggests that they might be talking about pregnancy and medication related to it (limited to only a vague "that won't be necessary" from Cersei).
Sadly, the TV series in particular lacks sufficient foreshadowing to suggest that anything more horrific than a relatively mundane (if heartbreaking and disappointing) miscarriage awaits Cersei.
Dies giving birth to a dwarf and asks tryrion to raise it cos Jamie has croaked...
Honestly she would probably have the baby killed
Paunch and it kills her at birth...
AND IT KILLS HER
She did NOT realise that Jaime loves his child so much he would fight against the dead for it and sacrafice himself.
Instead of doing nothing and staying with her ...
Well said. Jaimes been on team life his entire life. Now he has one more life to fight for :))
I disagree. The books explicitly state he never looked as his children as his children even knowing that they are. I don't know why he would suddenly feel this great fatherly protectiveness. I think his speech about how lying that she would help in the war against the dead was horrible strategy is a better explanation for his actions.
If CERSEI can actually believe that Tommens death was ANYONES FAULT BUT HER OWN, ANYONES RESPONSIBILITY OTHER THEN HERS, SHE CAN BELIEVE ANYTHING.
Agreed
She ruined his life 😟
Me- *chuckles* the earth is flat.
Cercei-*literally has me cut in half by the mountain*
Lol
@@didide6806 I did lol, I was drinking coffee on the shutter, and I got coffee all over my new galaxy 8,,,thank God its it is "water resistant"...
Cersei wants another child for another reason. If she has a 4th child she proves Maggy the Frog wrong.
Colleen McDonald I mean she has a fourth that died in the tv show
Shes technically already had 4 children. In season 1 she tells Catelyn that she had a "dark haired boy" like Brann. This was the only child she had with Robert. A lot of people have theorized that the child she is referring to is Gendrey.
that's one of the reasons I think she'll die before her child is born
Cersei: Will the king and I have children?
Maggy: Oh, aye. Six-and-ten for him, and three for you. Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds, she said. And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you.
Colleen McDonald who s maggy?
What if she is not pregnant but menopausal? She said “40 years”. Unless he wanted to give her something for morning sickness.
MTE!
BELIEVE NOTHING I AM 44 AND JUST GAVE BIRTH TO 2 BABIES...
That's actually completely possible since menopause and pregnancy have similar symptoms. Maybe she thinks she's pregnant because she hasn't bled in a while, but really isn't.
Who goes into menopause at 40?? Do you mean perimenopausal?🤔
40 is extremely young for menopause, the average age now is 51, and before 45 VERY uncommon!
needed a day off from a "difficult" video, so i worked on this one since my comment section on the last two videos has received this question at least a dozen or two times
doing another "not difficult" video tonight into tomorrow because im still a little beat up from a long weak. ill do the valonqar video over the weekend either 2 or 3 from now with plans on releasing it publicly on Monday 12pm EST
I worked a "half day" (8-10 hours lol) yesterday tho and got 3 beers in the early evening :)
@@bridge4 If you said "a long weak" because you're doing that "see - sea" thing again, you win ALL the clever. :)
Lol what?? Did I write weak? Lmao
They were nice. I love sitting at a bar with headphone on and dancing in my seat lol
I've been doing 16-20 hour days most of this week, except yesterday. And today I only did 13 :-P
I've always been of the belief that Cersei is telling the truth. 1) It's the simplest conclusion and 2) her being pregnant in no way discredits Maggie's prophecy. For all we know, she could have a miscarriage or die long before the baby is even born. The end is nigh after all.
... though her lying about it makes for a far more interesting story 😄
drifterd that’s my opinion too
Uhmmm what if the valonqar is her baby???????? 😲
drifterd Remember, Maggie laughed at her at the end of her prophecy. The jokes on Cersi in the end. It really does not matter if she is pregnant or not.
I agree with everything except for the lying making it more interesting because I expect that from Cersei.
But remember she told Catelyn she had had a dark haired boy with Robert, who died. So she is already up to four, the witch didn’t say how many children would live, just how many she’d bear.
For the record, I think I made it clear in my comments that I didn't think Circei was lying. I think that they should make it so that she has been delusional. Her having a hysterical pregnancy would perhaps be the most dramatic, and most powerful way to send off this character in the show. As time passes in this next season, as she deals with not having Jamie, it slowly becomes more and more apparent that she is not in fact pregnant, to her and others. As the reality sets in she begins to break, and what that looks like, I can't fathom. That is what I wish that they'd do. Not what I expect to happen.
Also, to say we know Circei is in fact pregnant in the show is disingenuous, since again, all we have is Circei's word on that so far.
Tyrion's guessed without her saying anything. But she could of faked the body language of a pregnant woman. But being pregnant makes more sense.
@@gabrielbrault1999 again, my conception is not that she is faking, it's that she herself is convinced of it, and it not being true. I honestly think that is what would generate the best possible story, and would fit the facts as we know them. Tyrion would have been fooled because Circei herself is convinced of it, is desperate to believe that it is possible. What does she do once that hope is taken away?
@@wagrhodes13 that would make a good story, it would feed her paranoia even more after she realize. I see you're point now. Tyrion's guess helped her in believing it even more then.
@Melly Reed not enough time? Daenerys gets pregnant by Drogo and has her dark magic miscarriage that resulted in her dragons being born in about as many episodes, and those were 45-60 minutes episodes. There is time to tell that story if they make it. In fact it is precisely the same amount of run time as Daenerys' story from episode 3-10 the time of her pregnancy. From series 1 episode 3 through the end of series 1, it is around 440min in all, the same as the published estimate for series 8.
A hysterical pregnancy is certainly an option that might fit in with the "mad king" sort of role that Cersei seems to have embraced. I think there's another possibility, too: she may have been consulting with Qybern for an unnatural way to become pregnant, using the dark arts... it wouldn't be the first time we've seen a magical birth: there's Daenarys and her dragons (not to mention Daenary's and Drogho's apparently stillborn monster of a baby), and there's also Melisandre's shadow baby. We know Cersei is pretty strongly motivated to have children, and that she's pretty strongly motivated to defy the curse that has doomed all her other children, and that she's not beyond resorting to drastic measures to get what she wants, and (at least in the books) that she seems to have a contempt for the necessity of a man in producing children and would seem to be exactly the sort of character that might resort to black magic to become pregnant.... Maybe she really believes she is pregnant because of whatever it was she told Qybern would not be necessary (the next dose of "medicine" needed to become pregnant? the medicine needed to terminate what might be an unpleasant unnatural pregnancy?) And maybe, when it comes time to give unnatural birth, it might end up being something so unpleasent, it'll push Cersei's character the rest of the way into madness.....
Yeah, she's pregnant... but I'm still in the "she loses the baby" camp with regards to the "weepy Cersei" scene. She was drinking wine, teary eyed, and a little vacant, as if that was the last straw. Loving the vids either way!
That particular scene could be a shot of Cersei learning that Winterfell was defeated by the Night King or someone she particularly hated died.
Lena Headley/Cersei is 45 years old. She ain't getting preggo that easy like she's 19.
MissKikkiKat she has to lose her baby cos with the fortune teller when she was younger she said that cersei will have 3 children and the king would have 20 so she can't have a 4th child
I think that weeping scene is going to be a result of bronn reporting back that he killed her brothers for her. I don’t think he will, just like he never sent shay away for Tyrion like he said he did.
IMO, Cersei is lying about the pregnancy and manipulating both Jaime and Tyrion. She's been lying to and manipulating them their whole lives - that is how she controls them. Jaime and their children were Cersei's possessions - she "loves" them as they relate to her, not as people in their own right. And all of them have left her. Cersei's actor is outstanding- love watching her.
Am so looking forward to Cersei and Euron's scenes Season 8. He is just as manipulative and conniving as she is and their dynamic should be very entertaining.
Actually, in the show i think Cersei really loves her children, unlike Cersei in the books.
@josie 1230 - Cersei and Euron = birds of a feather. I agree with you completely about how Cersei manipulated both her brothers.
josie 1239 Thanks for pointing out that Cersei’s love is narcissistic. The children are her tools, very much as Tywin’s children were to him. Ex: Nursing Marcella because she couldn’t stand to see her in the arms of another woman, not because of her desire to bond with her own child.
I agree.
I prefer to call him Urine lol
While watching this, I had the craziest vision of Cersei being turned into a wight and the baby ripping it's way out of her stomach Alien style and screaming like a White Walker, much to the horror of all onlookers.
:-O
And chases Arya!
You say "horror" I say "delight".
Ewwww, I do not want to see that for sure, yuk, yuk, yuk, LOL.
I would pay to watch that.
"... you will have three, gold will be their crowns and gold their shrouds.” Pregnant or not, this baby won't be born
But she actually had 4 kids. Soooooo, there's that.
i have always thought back to the valonqar prophecy, perhaps she is pregnant, but will die in childbirth, hence the 'little brother' being her killer
however, this theory falls down on the 'he will wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you'
I think she’s pregnant and it’s a dwarf and she’ll die in childbirth!
Selina Kyle did she in the books? The only info in the show comes from her when she tells Catelyn Stark about her dead baby but I thought she could be lying.
hamza zaghdoud no. She didn’t have a child with Robert in the books.
FYI: "People" (royalty) still drank wine while pregnant. Not drinking during pregnancy is a relatively new practice.
Thank you! someone else thinking straight! Of course it looks weird to us, since the 80s it's been drummed into all of us no alcohol during pregnancy, but they had no such knowledge then, or even in the first half of the 20th century
Elenor Mason, Yes! I just saw what you wrote after I commented!! Thanks to you as well!!! 😉🎭🌹
You're making the assumption that Westeros exists on Earth, and follows our timeline, neither of which are actually true. There's absolutely nothing to imply that they don't have the knowledge that alcohol is bad for a pregnancy. You can't hold them to facts or history as we know it.
tly3: There’s nothing to demonstrate that they do know.
The whole thing is a moot point, so I don’t know why people keep using it as evidence.
Poor Tyrion, not "counting" (according to Cersei). And poor Tommen. He was the sweetest boy with a great heart. He would have been a great King with the right advisors. His strength and mettle would have grown in time.
I’m still not convinced her baby is real or Jaime’s. I don’t trust what she says.
I love how you flush out “is she or is she not pregnant” in this. You make a good argument for her being pregnant, but I also agree that if the whole thing is, indeed, about manipulation it’s because she’s worried about losing Jaime to Tyrion. The eye tag bit in the Dragonpit with Brienne only adds fuel to the fire. That kind of reminds me of the prophecy in that way-how by fighting so hard to avoid it or prevent the prophecy she helps to make it happen anyway.
For sure. Her whole life has been about her prophecy. And prophecies are unavoidable, so it's wild watching her cause all the prophesied outcomes
It's sad tho in a way :(
@@bridge4 It is sad! She's essentially the vehicle behind her own destruction, which is made worse by the fact she doesn't realize it.
Let's hope qyburn didn't get Cersei pregnant 😂😂.
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Qyburn the creeper
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i think a part of why she wants to have a child is that THAT would prove the prophecy related to Cersie WRONG.
Cersei started mistrusting Jaime long before. Not necessarily because of something he did on purpose. The moment you realize it is when he comes back with one hand and she tells him, "you took too long". Meaning she counted on him to be there for her and it doesnt matter WHY he wasnt, it only mattered that he wasnt.
Do you think there's anything to the fact that the last thing Tywin told Cersei is "I don't believe you" happens to be the last line between Jaime and Cersei in season seven?
I don't know, but good catch
lol
If she is pregnant Qyburn could have been offering something for morning sickness. That would make more sense. Moon tea would be if she was planning on sleeping with Euron and didn't want to get pregnant. What stands out to me more is that we don't know what bargain she struck with Tyrion. What ever Jaime thinks he knows about her plans he doesn't know what they said. Her pregnancy convinced Tyrion she would help against the dead. Her pregnancy forced Jaime to fight for the living (his unborn child) but carry info of her betrayal to Dany. So which brother was right? Who's Dany to believe? Also if Jaime is the valonquar what could prompt him to kill her if not for this kind of lie?
Why does her conversation with Quburn have to be about anything to do with her reproductive system? Why couldn't it have been about constipation? Or a hangnail?
What if she was asking for something to mimic the symptoms of pregnancy and decided she could do the convincing without it?
Or they were discussing poisoning Jamie, so that he doesn't betray her. But, she decides against it for a pregnancy gamble.
That soccer ball intro always makes me chuckle. You're such a dork Kev lol.
I meased it up at some point tho in the last few weeks. The ball no longer is seen falling down towards the wights. I keep forgetting to fix that tho :-/
bridge4 busy meowing😂 We need to start a count for how many you can do in each video, or maybe I am missing out!
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Thanks, m'lady
He has a voice that should be selling beer on TV commercials.
I look at the moment when the White Walker is released. If people are suddenly mortally threatened, their hands or eyes usually go to the thing they value most. Rewatch that scene and you see she looks startled, moves back. One would expect an expecting mother to cover her belly with her hands, but Cersei's body language tells us that nope, she's not pregnant.
Awesome video, though.
Your voice, your editing, your theories... you..
You are a genius.. A poetic genius ❤️
thanks Isadora. but we all now know that the poetic genius is YOU!
Drinking wine isn't a tip off of being pregnant or not.
It's a medieval setting. They aren't concerned with pregnancy and alcohol.
Love your choice of score in the background. The faith of the seven is the best composed peace of music in GoT in my opnion
I'd have to go with light of the seven :)
Light* of the seven. But I hear ya. Brilliant score
Whoops. Hadnt seen your comment yet sean :)
@@bridge4 is ok :)
Filip Nielsen “Light of the Seven” is one of the best scores of all time, imo. “The Godfather”, “Superman”, “Star Wars”! Goodness, I can’t name them all. What I do know is every time I hear it, it gives me chills. Damn that’s good!
I think in #13 of 17 they show Jaime’s reaction because he’s thinking of Brienne. Meaning he’ll have to either protect Brienne or Cersei if things go south and he’s torn. He knows Brienne is there in King’s Landing, I think that’s why she and Pod had an escort of Lannister soldiers before the Dragonpit meeting. I think Jaime arranged that through Bronn. He can’t meet with Brienne because Cersei was jealous of Brienne all the way back in season 4 and has made it very clear that she knows everything that goes on in King’s Landing.
I don't think she's lying but I also don't think she's pregnant. I think she truly believes she's pregnant and is incredibly happy about it, but she's menopausal. Unless I misheard her, she said she listened to their father "for fourty years" so in the show she'd be the right(ish) age.
I keep reading similar comments but I have no idea what menopause is lol. I live in a bubble
Menopause means that she doesn’t get her monthly menstruation as to bear children. It’s hormones and stuff. So she wants a child so badly to have an heir but she can’t. Wine and consume of alcohol regularly can delay it so maybe she could become pregnant I don’t know lol confusing
Gotcha. So basically, she skipped her month and thinks pregnancy but really she just stopped having times of the month?
bridge4 yeah she probably did
@@bridge4 yup that's pretty much it. They have the same symptoms so people confuse it, even now.
So you felt it necessary to give me even more reasons to like Jamie!! I see what you did there...🦁 🥇 ⚔
Lol
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Your videos give me life!! They are so well thought out and narrated (not to mention that your voice is as smooth as silk lol). Please keep them coming!!
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Jon needs to hug Cercei and detect if she's pregnant or not
I spend almost every day thinking about how Cersei could die...
Of old age?
Lol
A girl wants to cross another name off her list...
Shame
Were you satisfied with the answer?
7 HELLS!!! THE BOAAAARRRR IS PREGNANT!!!!
7 hells they desicrated balerions skull
I read a “thing” that said bran was the boar.
Seriously dude, why is your channel so good?
Lol. You're too kind. This was an "off day" video since my mind is burnt
I'm waiting until Saturday to do valonqar since I'm so exhausted lol
So kind words on back of this one means alot. Thanks!
Cause Kev is a genius and a rock star 😊😊😊💋 have NEVER seen a bad video. And he's got that sexy voice. Icing on the cake 😎
Hard work
Hard work.
Er. Well. Work nonetheless😂
I think part of the motivation for Cercie saying Tommen betrayed her is she was using it as a defense mechanism, even for herself.
That’s what narcissists do. Blaming others for the choices they make. 🙄😂
It's also worth noting that in the books, it was Cersei who initial aggressor of the incest. Cersei pursued and seduced Jaime from the beginning, not the other way around. Their father's servants had to separate them. Tywin agreed to allow Jaime to be a Kingsguard to get him away from Cersei in order to put the rumors to bed. And the main reason Cersei agreed to marry Robert Baratheon was because that would mean going to King's Landing, where Jaime was. There were other reasons too, but that was the main one. Jaime's story arc has a lot of parallels to survivors of forcible incest too. Because whenever he's REALLY away from Cersei, everyone hints to him about how fucking insane the whole relationship is.
in my point of view, i think he genuinely loves her, but she uses him as a toy or a tool
Great vid as always, keep up the amazing wonderful work my dude.
thanks =))
@@bridge4 Been subbed for a while =) loveing it
Love your videos, and you've got a great radio voice. I wouldn't count the wine too much as a sign to determine whether she's pregnant. Up until the last 40-ish years, no one really cared about drinking while pregnant, especially Europeans. And this story is quasi-historically based so I have to believe that the practices would carry over to this series since GRRM is a rabid historian.
Sure, it could be a ruse, or if nothing else I would say it's a matter of turning it down because pregnancy can cause your taste buds and your nose tends to betray you often in your first trimester. (Not that I think that the show at least will be that specific.) Things that you love can taste wrong, and smells you can enjoy can make you sick to your stomach.
Now if you notice they constantly drink wine, yet it was drinking *strong* wine, what Robert was given while hunting, something he wouldn't normally drink while hunting. You have to remember that there wasn't decent sanitation (as seen by the women dumping the "night soil" out the window and on to the cobblestone streets. Night soil is from the chamber pots. Also, there isn't water purification... but there is water sterilization. Wine. It's the alcohol in it that kills any pathogens. This is a historical practice, in Europe and in Westeros I believe. So you have a wine that is Westerosi Kool-Aid, and then you have strong wine, which is the one you'll get drunk off of.
I would like your opinion on speculations I have. Qyburn took over Varys' little birds and of course, we remember Varys coming and going with Ilyrio in the beginning through the passages under the castle. Varys is also the one who went to Dorne to parlay with Lady Olenna and Ellaria Sand. Later we see Ellaria captured with her daughter and poisoned by Cersei and Jaime giving poison to Olenna. But as with everything, if you don't see them die, they might not really be dead. Qyburn was the one who supplied the alleged poisons in both cases, Qyburn is also knowledgeable enough to know what poison was used to kill Marcella, which means he's knowledgeable enough to fake it. So my question to you is this; do you think that we will be seeing Olenna, Ellaria & daughter again?
I agree I dont think shes lying. Also to add on to yesterday's video, the maggi the frog prophecy already doesnt mean she only has 3 kids because in the show she had a black haired boy with Robert (that's possibly gendry)
I believe in the books also as gendry talked about a yellow haired mother with blue eyes, I believe, singing him songs. But in the show I doubt it would be gendry as she told Cayt her first son with Robert died near bran's bed
@@didide6806 yeah the theory has some holes but it's still interesting to think about. Idk how plausible it is but it's pretty neat. Also she could have been told that the baby died or she lied about it? Idk I didnt make this theory so I dont know a lot about it but regardless I dont think we will even find out if it's true in the show because there are only 6 episodes left
@@kyanchambers260 I believe their will be alot of things unanswered in both the show alike and we will have to fill the gaps with clues given to us by GRRM
@@didide6806 yeah definitely. Itll be really interesting to see how they play out
She didn't raise the show black haired boy tho
I believe that she started losing Jaime when he found out what she did to the sept, resulting in Tomins suicide and her claiming the throne for herself. His look that ended the season actually had me thinking that the king Slayer was going to strike again bc he realized how she's losing it, and I thought that was going to be a pretty cool twist.
I think the little emotions and powerstruggle signs she's conveying to make people suggest a lie about the baby is her personal powerstruggle/battle bc she knows she's gone off the wall and is on the verge of losing everything. Shes not good at showing emotions bc she has to be strong and stone like tywin to begin with but she's cracking and those are little signs to that. But I could see it being a lie to manipulate Jaime to stay and establish more power over him during her fragile and crumbling time and account for her pregnancy like emotions.....could also further explain her making rash decisions due to hormones.
Either way, the prophecy was pretty much right and never said anything about this one so I didn't see it making it.
The other thing I'd like to point out that I'm surprised you didn't is when she was talking to tyrian about euron leaving....she knew the plot that he didn't actually abandon so linking that maybe he had the right idea for the sake of the baby was a lie no matter how you look at it. She was always very good at lying and putting on a show...could be more support to the baby scheme and it served as a good trap. But her hatred for tyrian is pretty absolute and being near him causes her to get riled up which she battles with drinking bc that's what she does.....I think she def would have been if that weren't the case or she weren't that committed to deceiving him.
I think show-wise, well never know bc of the E5 though. Lol. I could see it add up of her not being pregnant but I personally think she was. Just doomed to not make it.
I hope Qyburn betrays her, and I hope she’s going through menopause instead.
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Finally a UA-cam narrator who doesn’t scream or shout or talk like they’re drunk
Cersi was pregnant when Tyrion offered her wine, but was not when Euron did. She had a miscarriage in the interim. They shot it for season 7 but didn't use it.
Excellent editing. Up till this video I "knew" that Cersei was lying...but then again after watching the series one could be excused for making that assumption.
That being said, for some reason, I couldn't help but chuckle every time that the Tywin cutout popped up. Charles Dance owned that role.
Seriously though, great vid. You deserve more subs.
Sir - you are truly unique in the effort and thought that you put into your videos.
I always laugh at that intro lol Great video!
Thanks :)
Great video! I love the scene breakdowns.
Lying about the pregnancy would be a classic soap opera move so I hope that is not the case.
Dude your making me thinking about this in a whole new light. I never thought about half of the stuff that you came up with
once again, im a simple man. I saw bridge4 new post....i clicked
I just found your channel yesterday and I’m already in love with your content! Keep the great work up ❤️
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I don't understand why people put so much weight on the fact that she is or isn't drinking in assessing whether she's lying about the pregnancy. Westeros is not 21st century Earth where the link between alcohol consumption and fetal health are well known.
I think the more interesting topic is why did she want Tyrion to know she was pregnant and she also spared his life. I think she is depending on Tyrion's family loyalty to help keep the Iron Throne. I think it also suits her to have Jamie out of the picture for when Euron returns with the Golden Company. As for if she is pregnant or not, I am not sure....
Good point, man!
Really appreciate all of your hard work man :) keep it up!
Back then people didn't know that drinking wine was bad for a baby. Even 60 years ago pregnant women consumed alcohol. So that argument doesn't stand.
Summer Vesco Then why does she refuse to drink wine when she was with Tyrion?
Thank you! So many fan theories hinge of the belief that they knew not to drink during pregnancy. The shows have never said this. Nor have the books. Science didn’t confirm this til the 1970s.
I was going to comment that people drank while pregnant as recently as the 1960s and then I realized that the 60s was 60 years ago already!!!!,
Still a loooooong way from the Middle Ages. Alcohol didn't have labels about the dangers of drinking while pregnant till the 1989.
Melissa Peery totally. I was moreso just blown away that the 60s was already 60 years ago. 😂
Love your videos! Especially those include The Red Woman.
Thanks :)
So, Cersei's big lie is that she's not lying? Somewhat anticlimactic...
Good stuff. Do you have a video speculating on the look Tirion had on his face when he saw Jon go into Khalissis bedroom?
Love that line at number #16 of 17, I truly believe she will survive season 8 which I think will subvert a lot of expectations. Maybe she is imprisoned at the end, who knows!
Agreed
I hope she survives. Probably one of the few who likes her.
I think Cersei either lost the baby and is lying to Jamie or she is going to lose it/(it's not alive) to the Night King.
We already know she is not going to have another child. If you remember the promo from last season she breathed out that icy breath.
However she has been slowing losing power over Jamie since his travels with Brienne, and blaming Tyrion for Joffery didn't sit well with Jamie and him letting Tyrion go was a "betrayal" so its a combo of the 2 but more his brother because Jamie loves them both
Nobody notice that she doesn''t drink at all.... just sniff the wine.....
Good point
Is it possible that's moon tea, a Got morning after pill?
UA-cam seems to be encouraging these long, meandering podcasts, now. But your clear, concise videos, like this one are what they're sacrificing.
What was so wrong with presenting a clear thesis statement, then proving that statement, then wrapping up your video in a timely manner??
You EXCEL at this form.
The whole not drinking while pregnant thing probably isn´t that known in the Game of Thrones Universe. It wasn´t well known in our own world up until a few decades ago. So I wouldn´t count that as "not knowing she´s pregnant" because she probably would drink anyways haha
oh ok nvm they seem to know lol science is a thing it got what
cersei is pretty smart, she probably figured out drinking is bad for babies after joffrey.
@@Drew_Thompson you searched this
Another great analysis video, Ser Bridge. Starting to really get hyped up for Season 8.
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Still happy to pay for your narration of any book.
Lol
@@bridge4 do you have the world of ice and fire?
Of course :))
@@bridge4 I'm slowly getting into the series. I love it, but since dyslexia makes it difficult to read, and autism makes it difficult to tell people apart, I cannot tell you how helpful these updates are.
I'm glad I can help a little. It's a huge world with so many years characters and subplots. So I hear ya
I am very confused. :(
Guy: "He says he can give her something"?
Cercei: "That won't be necessary"
= He was probably offering her Moon Tea (?)
How do you know that again?
Anyway, cannot wait to see how it actually is and which theories on youtube turn out to be right! So excited!!
Team Jamie and Breanne, or Tormund and Breanne?
A girl has to choose? Brienne loves Jaime, but Tormund would show her a helluva good time. She doesn't know that though!
Tormund and brienne is probably just a show addition to give tormund some airtime, as well as a way to add levity to the dark story. There's nothing there tho
Jaime and brienne is a central part of both of their character arcs
Jamie: is it a boy or a girl?
Cercei: Food
What if Cersei was just lying about the pregnancy and is just using the pregnancy to gain more power and more control over Jamie? Like what if she is just pulling a power move (like the Queen from Kingdom) just to play mind games on her brothers?
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But it ultimately backfired cause Jamie left anyways..... or did it?
By the way.... your editing skills??? The way you match your tone with the background music??? EPIC!
I'd like your opinion on the below. It was a question on Quore.
Is Jaqen H'ghar Ned Stark?
Rosetta Reyes
Rosetta Reyes
Updated Mar 2
Imo, yes, Jaqen H’ghar is Ned Stark.
Ned Stark left the black cells disguised as Jaqen H’ghar, whilst one of the three common prisoners was beheaded in Ned’s place.
WHITE WOLF
Ned Stark was clearly NOT the man who was beheaded on the Sept of Baelor.
Eddard Stark wears the Grey Direwolf motif of house Stark. Whilst the man who was beheaded wore a WHITE WOLF motif sewn on the front of his doublet.
COMMON PRISONERS.
Jaime made note of the other three common prisoners in the black cells at the same time as Ned.
There were three others, common men, but Lord Stark gave them to the Night's Watch. I did not think it good to free those three, but the papers were in proper order.’
And yet... only two common men left the black cells. Where did the third common prisoner go? Answer, to the sept of Baelor,
It is quite apparent that Jaqen H’ghar is not a common man.
Jaqen has a friendly voice, he is the youngest of the three, slender, fine-featured, handsome, always smiling. He is charming and speaks softly to Arya, and always in a polite manner.
On the other hand..
‘This man’s illbred companions in captivity are named’:
Rorge, noseless, squat and thick, with huge hands. Black hair covered his arms and legs and chest, even his back. Looking like an ape from the Summer isles. The hole in his face made him hard to look at.
And then there is ....
Biter, The bald one opened his mouth and hissed like some immense white lizard. Biter hissed, displaying a mouthful of yellowed teeth filed into points. When Arya flinched back, startled, he opened his mouth wide and waggled his tongue at her, only it was more a stump than a tongue.
"A man must have some name, is that not so? Biter cannot speak and Biter cannot write, yet his teeth are very sharp, so a man calls him Biter and he smiles. Are you charmed?"
No, Rorge and Biter are clearly two illbred common men
“A man does not choose his companions in the black cells.”
MY LADY OF STARK.
It is also quite clear that Jaqen is a well bred man, since he addresses Arya as MY lady of Stark and not M’Lady as a common man would.
This is why a man knew Arya Stark by name.
“Jaqen is as dead as Arry,” said sadly, “and I have promises to keep. Valar morghulis, Arya Stark. Say it again.”
As Jaqen said “Arry is dead”, yet we know that Ayra is still alive,
“This man has the honor to be Jaqen H'ghar,”
Just so, if Jaqen is as dead as Arry, then honourable Ned is still as alive as Ayra.
"A man knows," he said again. "My lady of Stark.
This is why a man affectionately kisses Arya softly on the head.
He laid a finger on her lips. "Three lives you shall have of me. No more, no less. Three and we are done. So a girl must ponder." He kisses her hair softly.
Just as her father Ned oft did.
You," Ned said, kissing her lightly on the brow.
And again...
"As you say. Desmond, see my daughter to her chambers." He kissed her on the brow. "We'll finish our talk on the morrow."
So, yes Ned Stark is Jaqen H’ghar.
What is most interesting is that Ned Stark is finally going “far and away” across the narrow sea” to fulfill the broken promises he made to his sister, Lyanna.
“Promise me, Ned”.
I dont think ned stark would have ditched arya in the middle of the war torn Riverlands, where she was subsequently kidnapped twice
And jaqen isn't at the house if black and white in the canon
@J.K. - Huh? Where did you get all these details about the men in the dungeon? From the books? If so, this does not apply since the show completely diverted from the books in Season 4. Point in my favor is that there is no Lady Stoneheart (dead Catelyn Stark) in the show and she features prominently in the books.
She's pregnant but has a miscarriage in season 8 which pushes her over the edge to become insane.
She's already insane
Yes susan, I see a lot of the "push over the edge" ideas lately. But she went over the deep end a long time ago
@@bridge4 I agree that she gave up on Tommen when Myrcella died, as you said in your other video.
This was a good attempt at analyzing whether she's lying. Because you metrics are confusing. You didn't make it clear at the beginning of the video exactly how are you were going to assess her scenes. You just told us you were going to use pictures. D
Well, if she did lie, it didn’t help her at all 😂😂😂
Haha love yout laughing emojis on that comment. So true!
Great analysis as always. One point I would contend is that drinking during pregnancy was pretty common up until recently. Now I know that this is a fantastical world yet if we are going to apply our own logic to it then it stands to reason that in a medieval world a woman wouldn't know about such a thing and would be much more inclined to drink if they were pregnant than a woman who is pregnant nowadays.
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Sir Bronn of the Black Water will save the Sand Snake.
As soon as she implied that she was pregnant to Jaime, I was like "LIARRRR!!!! She's taking Jaime for a ride so he doesn't betray her again!!!"
Yeah, I been choosing to look like that crazy one this whole time Coz I know she's never been honest in the whole show. There's no reason why she would be honest to Jaime. She's fckn crazy man. And I know I'm right about this one.
Thanks again for the vids that give us something to think on while we wait another five weeks. 👍
Yeah and I believe she’s the Mad Kings daughter
She may very well have lied. She knew Jaimie was different when he was brought back by Lady Brienne and she may have suspected there was something going on with Jaimie and Brienne. She had her suspicions confirmed when she saw how Jaimie and Brienne were staring at each other at the dragon pit. She's evil, not stupid.
Qyburn could also have been offering something to soothe her morning sickness
This flippin guy makes the dorkiest thing in the world sound sexy with that voice 🔥🔥🔥
Lol
bridge4 you have an Irish twang on certain words, or am I tripping?
Your main argument is based on the assumption that the conversation with Qyburn was about Moon tea.
... but you seem to forget that Qyburn is hand of the queen, they could have talked about EVERYTHING.
That being said, I agree with your arguments that she would like to be pregnant. We do not know if she really is.
Meow at 2:13
Love the videos. One thought I had while watching them is that Cerci dies in childbirth. Which means in a way Jamie kills her via his child. If it’s a baby girl, the beautiful baby girl could be the queen that replaces her.
Maybe Cersei in S8 will capture brienne and torture her :(
& Jaime saves her & kills Cersei. That would be interesting
Cercie knew about Jamie and Brienne long before the parlay. If I remember correctly she caught on to their connection at the purple wedding (at least) but I beleive she suspected something as soon as he got back from his imprisonment. Brienne was there for Sansa and she saw how they looked at each other and asked Brienne straight if she loved him, so her fear of losing Jamie had been there for a while and that also explains that she wanted to get pregnant if anything as a means to keep him. He was all she had left and she feared being alone. She could handle everyone hating her after all she wore that crown with pride but Jamie was her anchor and she couldn't handle being completely alone.
I agree. I think Cersei is pregnant. She is absolutely a master manipulator, who is going crazy. She's also an alcoholic... I think it would take an actual pregnancy to stop her drinking. Plus her conversation with Jaime seemed genuine.
I know the books are separate, but Jaime's arc is very similar, and we can't hear Jaime's inner monologue in the show... I really think he's been moving away from her for some time now. In the books he is constantly thinking things that he never says aloud. I feel his thoughts have been shifting for some time, and these were the catalysts to drive him away for good.
She stopped drinking in the scene with tyrion in s7e7
@@bridge4 and we all know how much she loves to be 'in her cups'.
But why would she stop drinking because of pregnancy? There's no reason to think that Westerosi medicine would prohibit wine during gestation ... less than 50 years ago it wouldn't have stopped someone in the USA.
@@joemyers3885 This is not based in our world. Tyrion worked out she was pregnant because she wasn't drinking. This tells us that the maesters must know something of the dangers of alcohol for pregnant women.
"Meow" poisoning Tyeen. Lol nice pull
Ain't love grand? lol
Great video! BUT, Maggie the Frog doesn't mention the 4th child. She's not going to have it. Cersei must know this, since in the books and the show she is heavily invested in Maggie's prophecy. Surely Jaime knows this as well. She discussed it with him after Myrcella's death in the show.
Cersei will be killed by Jamie
The Hound will kill The Mountain the Hound deserves that. I like the Hound.🐶🐾🤺
Sharon G hopefully not. That’s way too predictable. I’d like to see Cersei escape after seeing Jamie die... knowing she has nothing left to live for.
Idky u never have liked videos as u have a lot if views! I love ur vids! Keep up the awesome work!
I figure the same thing with Jaime and Bree. Jaime kills Cersei, and J and B rule the kingdom, because of that very conversation his dad has with him in season 1. Jaime has not yet become THAT man his dad told him to get busy being, so he will!
'They're gonna have a bebe" love it
It was foreshadowed long before that she might be going through The Change. I mean it does explain the mood swings, lack of certain monthly things, and showing all the signs like a pregnancy.
What music are you using in your videos