these guy are all legends. i really think stan efferding could've done it in his absolute prime. he can do 405x20 now that hes in his 50s. to tap into this strength is superhuman.
20 rep squats were apparently THE training goal back in the 50s n 60s. see: peary rader, joe hise, jon mccallum, reg park [who reportedly could swuat 500x20] and many other lads of past generations. i doubt they went below parallel but in any case they still trained hard.
He did 230kg/507 pounds on his Insta about 5 weeks ago for 14 and just stopped mid way through (probably cause it was getting uncomfortable) I think reckon he could get it if he pushed himself all the way through.
Such interesting content. As someone who knows nothing about Peds, it was intriguing to hear Broderick mention lactate/waste management through peds and move on as if it was some kind of forbidden dark arts
Bill Kazmier, who was there, also considered Hatfield and Arcidi's records to be fake weights while casting doubt on the Platz vs Hatfield "Ico-Pro" event in Germany, at which Platz set this record. Kaz would not lift for the Hawaiian based federation that hosted the events at which those records were broken. He makes an interesting case, comparing Hatfield's 1008 at that Hawaiian event to a mainland US event - that they both lifted at 2 months later - where Hatfield apparently had trouble even walking out something like 870.
Yeah, this. I personally don't think it's legit. There are definitely a few powerlifters out there though who have the capacity to do it with some volume training. As for weightlifters, I think Mart Seim could get 18 - 20.
ua-cam.com/video/yOpZLFoHENs/v-deo.html Another heavy volume platz video at gold's Venice during business hours in the 80s. A 30 rep set and a 20 rep set. I also heard of him doing 225 for like 50
@@sikastrength I'm surprised you can't detect that the weights on the bar is not real. Ain't nobody in Minnie's haberdashery ever squatted 240 kg for 23, least of all a retired Tom Platz
When it cut to the blackboard, I busted out laughing. This is a great video, entertaining but a great take on this impressive feat and the training around it
I have an Ironman magazine from February 1995 that had a Tom Platz feature and interview. While rereading last week ...... Ironman What was the heaviest weight you used on the squat during your intermediate stage of your training? Tom Platz: Let me think back now because it's been a long time. I would say back than my best would've been around 500 pounds for a double or a triple. Later I was able to do much more---615 for as many as 15 reps.
Dan Green was supposed to try and break/match Platz’s record at the animal cage in 2020 before Covid hit and considering he’s stronger and lifts to a better standard than Joe as well as Juji he’s got the best shot of anyone in the current era
If they’re going to attempt this as ‘The Tom Platz squat challenge’ They should HAVE TO squat to the depth Tom does with the same close stance Tom uses. Otherwise they aren’t Tom Platz style squats.. Tom had WAAAY bigger legs than any of those guys, so you can’t use the excuse that its actually deeper than it looks because of the size of their quads.
This is a big one on my list to try when I have a week afterwards when I can die of doms. I did 200x20 high bar beltless afew years back when my max squat was 280kg. I've done 340kg since so I think 238x24 is on the cards but it will be extremely tough.
Another issue with low bar squats for a lot of reps is that the bar can slide down every time you brace/breathe no matter how tight you are and balance becomes an issue as you need to lean over more and more as the bar slides down. Takes a toll on the elbows too.
Looping in another comment, it’s that much more surprising Chris Duffin hasn’t tried this since it’d be great advertising for the Duffalo bar. Those take out so many of the downsides of squatting low bar.
The elephant in the room here is platz trained as a bodybuilder for decades which is way more conducive to this than powerlifting. Power lifters just aren’t wired for this. Probably take a while to transition to high volume work.
matt wenning did 520x24 just 2 days ago with decent-ish depth and just sleeves.Which is insanely impresive considering he hasnt competed in like 8 years.
I reckon Chris duffin in his prime could've done it. Hes squatted over 800lbs many times and has pulled 675 for 20 reps in the sumo deadlift so I don't think it would be a stretch to say he could a similar number for squats.
For the cocaine thing, wouldn’t taking cocaine as essentially pre workout be a huge risk cardiovascularly? Like even acutely, cocaine could make you have a heart attack and I imagine with a massive effort like 525x23 it would be even more likely and thereby not worth the risk?
Why do you think all the old pro bodybuilders are dropping like flies today. The steroids they took only played a „small“ part in that. You wouldn’t believe how many bodybuilders are abusing recreational drugs on the regular. Some bodybuilders even took mdma before going on stage lol
There's a video of jujis where martins licis squats 505 for 20 beltless. I'd bet he could do it with a little bit of preparation and the same equipment
I've got to say as well, all these attempts with high squats are no where near even comparable. It hurts me seeing people squatting above parallel thinking that it's even the same exercise as what Tom did.
very hard for a "low rep" guy to train for this over the course of a few mesocycles or whatever. You have to remember that Platz did high reps allllll the time for years
I believe there’s a video of Steve Kuclo, bodybuilder, and he used to do sets of 20 with 500 pounds. He did multiple sets in a workout, so I would assume that if he trained for it, he would’ve been able to beat this.
@@Horus-Lupercal he was pretty young at the time. Maybe 20? Justin Harris talks about it. He used to train with Steve and Justin tells the story of how he’d squat 500 and then Steve would rep out with it.
I think MH is a phenom, but not near depth of Platz. Same for other people who say they've done it. Depth is the thing just as much as weights and reps.
I think Platzs record is legit. He could have won Mr Olympia, but focused on legs just because he wanted and this made his physique unbalanced. He openly talked about steroids in 80s which was really taboo and it compromised his career. Seems like honest guy to me. He has many eyewitnesses who saw him squat 3 and 4 plates, in random gyms, for insane number of reps AND sets. One scenario that could have happened is that event organizers put 40lb plates masked as 45lb plates and kept it silent without telling anyone. 10 plates x 5lb = 50lb less weight on bar. Well never know what actually happened.
@@danielhenderson762 I didnt say that he lost on purpose. Only that he was quad development lunatic and in the end he hurt his chances of winning olympia. He finished third once which is pretty damn good.
Would 525 reps at 23 lbs illicit the same training effect ? I recently read a study that stated " higher reps " would give a similar hypertrophy response if carried to failure?
I'm attempting this soon. I'm a 925lb raw squatter and train a lot of high rep stuff. I'll be doing this with a loose knee wrap and a wider stance, but no Briefs or suit.
First time seeing the platz video. Looks fake, no bar bend at all, no bar bounce at all, spotters giving assistance, he didn't look that tired when he finished. Per BB BS.
He probably could, but if your gonna pick a weightlifter it’s Mart Seim, he’s done 320kg x 10, 400kg for a single, 370 for an easy triple, he’s the strongest superheavy statically , just not got Lashas technique and leverages
@@declanosullivan8749 Yea him too, but more impressive coming from Toshiki seeing as he has the lower bw Plus Toshiki BW also nearer to Platz's I would assume
@@alexmoon3130 Toshiki is better at repping out than outright maxing heavier weights That is why I thought of him as a better contender than Tian Tao for example
@@elomensch9566 his squat is massive, ie the same, if not better than others that we know are on gear, and he’s done 160+ snatch and 210+ C&J. His snatch is the only thing lacking as his C&J is still pretty up there for his weight class. He is without a doubt on gear, and I really don’t understand why everyone seems to think he’s not.
@@matthewmckee6289 Do you think a 210 clean and jerk is not obtainable as a 102? I think it should be possible. Nico Müller from germany has a 160 snatch and a 200 kg jerk and he is a 89kg - confirmed natural 100%
@@elomensch9566 define confirmed natural? every single athlete competing at worlds or the olympics is technically a ‘confirmed natural’ because there is meant to be testing, yet we all know that means nothing.
One thing to keep in mind is Tom Platz did this with less Anabolics then what these guys are using. PLus Tom PLatz has a narrow stance which makes squatting harder. Tom Platz has the best legs ever!!!! Also I wanna mention he probably did those 23 reps without really training to do such feat. If Tom actually took like 6 months to train for something like this, like all the guys that challenged him are doing this now. Tom would have done closerr to 30 reps i bet. There will never be another Tom Platz!!
I tried it. However, I was completely knackered after loading 525 on the bar so I didn't do a single rep.
relatable
I did the same....but ran out of plates at 405...so cleaned it up and called it a day.
Intense sets. Szat Strength did a good job here. Chad Wesley Smith did 500 for 22 back in the day. Pete Rubish 500x15
Awh yes i forgot about chads 500x22 thing
these guy are all legends. i really think stan efferding could've done it in his absolute prime. he can do 405x20 now that hes in his 50s. to tap into this strength is superhuman.
Rubish did 500x15 without belt, almost ass to grass, while not build for squatting. Pretty crazy.
20 rep squats were apparently THE training goal back in the 50s n 60s. see: peary rader, joe hise, jon mccallum, reg park [who reportedly could swuat 500x20] and many other lads of past generations. i doubt they went below parallel but in any case they still trained hard.
One of the few UA-cam channels that isn't afraid to ask a "hard question"
Be interested to see John Haack have a go given his obvious insane strength and high bar stance.
He did 230kg/507 pounds on his Insta about 5 weeks ago for 14 and just stopped mid way through (probably cause it was getting uncomfortable) I think reckon he could get it if he pushed himself all the way through.
Damn, that jump in video and edit quality. Very nice boys
Thank you 😊
That cut to the blackboard with #1 and #2 was hilarious.
Such interesting content. As someone who knows nothing about Peds, it was intriguing to hear Broderick mention lactate/waste management through peds and move on as if it was some kind of forbidden dark arts
Joe’s preparation for the AMRAP attempt was pretty neat to follow.
I saw some of his stuff with Mike Isratel, was pretty novel
I really hope this video does well. It's fucking brilliant.
Thanks my guy 😁
Broderick Chavez is an instant click! Great video guys👍
Joe is a madman, 380kg squat in sleeves in the -100kg class. No wonder he got the closest.
Big Loz doing 20 reps of 252 kg (555 lbs) with a safety bar was damn impressive.
Bill Kazmier, who was there, also considered Hatfield and Arcidi's records to be fake weights while casting doubt on the Platz vs Hatfield "Ico-Pro" event in Germany, at which Platz set this record. Kaz would not lift for the Hawaiian based federation that hosted the events at which those records were broken. He makes an interesting case, comparing Hatfield's 1008 at that Hawaiian event to a mainland US event - that they both lifted at 2 months later - where Hatfield apparently had trouble even walking out something like 870.
Yeah, this. I personally don't think it's legit. There are definitely a few powerlifters out there though who have the capacity to do it with some volume training. As for weightlifters, I think Mart Seim could get 18 - 20.
The drama from the lads back in the day. I love it.
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Another heavy volume platz video at gold's Venice during business hours in the 80s. A 30 rep set and a 20 rep set. I also heard of him doing 225 for like 50
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Where his legs are at now... The guy is just an outlier...
@@sikastrength I'm surprised you can't detect that the weights on the bar is not real. Ain't nobody in Minnie's haberdashery ever squatted 240 kg for 23, least of all a retired Tom Platz
When it cut to the blackboard, I busted out laughing. This is a great video, entertaining but a great take on this impressive feat and the training around it
I have an Ironman magazine from February 1995 that had a Tom Platz feature and interview. While rereading last week ......
Ironman What was the heaviest weight you used on the squat during your intermediate stage of your training?
Tom Platz: Let me think back now because it's been a long time. I would say back than my best would've been around 500 pounds for a double or a triple. Later I was able to do much more---615 for as many as 15 reps.
Would be fun to see Clarence attempt this challenge.
I'd say 15ish reps
@@sikastrength with beautiful form
@@Bea5rs The second half would just be squat mornings, let’s be honest
@@BO2LetsplayMaybe but I'd like to see an oly lifter attempt this with oly form
Dan Green was supposed to try and break/match Platz’s record at the animal cage in 2020 before Covid hit and considering he’s stronger and lifts to a better standard than Joe as well as Juji he’s got the best shot of anyone in the current era
Joe Sullivan did his raw with knee sleeves.
Tom Platz did his single ply.
If they’re going to attempt this as ‘The Tom Platz squat challenge’ They should HAVE TO squat to the depth Tom does with the same close stance Tom uses. Otherwise they aren’t Tom Platz style squats.. Tom had WAAAY bigger legs than any of those guys, so you can’t use the excuse that its actually deeper than it looks because of the size of their quads.
This is a big one on my list to try when I have a week afterwards when I can die of doms. I did 200x20 high bar beltless afew years back when my max squat was 280kg. I've done 340kg since so I think 238x24 is on the cards but it will be extremely tough.
Yeeesss Paul, you did awesome at the albert hall 👏👏
Pretty sure Mart Seim could do it. He did 320 x10. I think the cardio to do 23 would be the only issue, not the weight.
Yeah i think of all people lifting actively right now he could do probably do it the soonest
Mart posted 220x22 to his channel a month ago: ua-cam.com/video/QadkjLPA5ys/v-deo.html
Great editing in this one boys 👍
Thanks Alex
Another issue with low bar squats for a lot of reps is that the bar can slide down every time you brace/breathe no matter how tight you are and balance becomes an issue as you need to lean over more and more as the bar slides down. Takes a toll on the elbows too.
Looping in another comment, it’s that much more surprising Chris Duffin hasn’t tried this since it’d be great advertising for the Duffalo bar. Those take out so many of the downsides of squatting low bar.
I thoroughly enjoyed this video. Good analysis, guys!
Yes! Broderick Chavez in the title, gonna be a good ep. I demand more Chavez!!!
Excellent video. Thanks fellas.
Blackboard cut killed me. Thanks fellas.
The elephant in the room here is platz trained as a bodybuilder for decades which is way more conducive to this than powerlifting. Power lifters just aren’t wired for this. Probably take a while to transition to high volume work.
Cut to the blackboard killed me. I like this format.
Great channel lads,very interesting content
Great video Sika boiis
matt wenning did 520x24 just 2 days ago with decent-ish depth and just sleeves.Which is insanely impresive considering he hasnt competed in like 8 years.
Cool will take a look
He’s an efficiency master in the squat!
Thanks for the shopping list 🛒
Phenomenal video.
I love how matter of factly Broderick brings up cocaine
I reckon Chris duffin in his prime could've done it. Hes squatted over 800lbs many times and has pulled 675 for 20 reps in the sumo deadlift so I don't think it would be a stretch to say he could a similar number for squats.
For the cocaine thing, wouldn’t taking cocaine as essentially pre workout be a huge risk cardiovascularly? Like even acutely, cocaine could make you have a heart attack and I imagine with a massive effort like 525x23 it would be even more likely and thereby not worth the risk?
Oh it's without a doubt a huge risk but people are crazy. Risk is personal of course so it's on the user.
This entire challenge is a risk, both cardiovascularly and otherwise
Why do you think all the old pro bodybuilders are dropping like flies today. The steroids they took only played a „small“ part in that. You wouldn’t believe how many bodybuilders are abusing recreational drugs on the regular. Some bodybuilders even took mdma before going on stage lol
There's a video of jujis where martins licis squats 505 for 20 beltless. I'd bet he could do it with a little bit of preparation and the same equipment
Anyone see Mitchell Hooper's attempt at it. Shows how strong Tom Platz was.
Instead of doing cocaine to celebrate a big PR, maybe I should start doing cocaine before hand? Thanks for the advise
A certain deadlift was done with a lot of coke before hand so the rumours go 🚶♀️ 🤔
@@sikastrength Was it a 'beast'ly lift? That would explain the nosebleed.
@@sosimple3585 Andy Bolton, Ben Polack and "The B___t" himself all partake.
@@sosimple3585 it was a beastly deadlift indeed
Heard rumours about that deadlift but nobody really talks about it....🤔
Can we talk about the big homie Bill Kazimier was just chilling behind him...I think he could do it
That last point is so true!
Jesus Christ, Broderick is a treasure trove of knowledge.
@@HkFinn83 I really don’t think so. No one more knowledgable than Broderick in sports performance exists
It’s Broderick “squats are the best ham exercise” Chavez!
The PED section gave me anxiety. It's inconceivable to me to do all that shit. 🤣😅
Nearly un-subbed after what you did to the All Blacks. Well done fellas.
Coach I have been doing a fuckton of cocaine but I still can't squat 525 for 20 what am I doing wrong?
Dr Ken Leistner 23x405 (way smaller dude)...everyone go watch that vid right now. ATG extreme.
I’ve done 525 x 27 before
Edit: weight in grams 🥺
I’m more interested in seeing Gurph try the Pig Squat challenge 😉
I've got to say as well, all these attempts with high squats are no where near even comparable. It hurts me seeing people squatting above parallel thinking that it's even the same exercise as what Tom did.
this is why im here
very hard for a "low rep" guy to train for this over the course of a few mesocycles or whatever. You have to remember that Platz did high reps allllll the time for years
I believe there’s a video of Steve Kuclo, bodybuilder, and he used to do sets of 20 with 500 pounds. He did multiple sets in a workout, so I would assume that if he trained for it, he would’ve been able to beat this.
How old is Kuclo?
@@Horus-Lupercal he was pretty young at the time. Maybe 20? Justin Harris talks about it. He used to train with Steve and Justin tells the story of how he’d squat 500 and then Steve would rep out with it.
18:34 finally an analogy I can identify with
Matt Wenning did 24 with 520 a few weeks ago. I think he'd be good for it
I'd say 365 kg 1 rep max. More like 65%. 23 is possible for some people but not sure about the original.
If I did coke before I lifted it would take me an hour to get to the stage and I’d make ten best friends on my way.
One guy who could do this at the really moment is John Haack.
Mitchell Hooper did 525x24 recently
I think MH is a phenom, but not near depth of Platz. Same for other people who say they've done it. Depth is the thing just as much as weights and reps.
I think Platzs record is legit. He could have won Mr Olympia, but focused on legs just because he wanted and this made his physique unbalanced. He openly talked about steroids in 80s which was really taboo and it compromised his career. Seems like honest guy to me.
He has many eyewitnesses who saw him squat 3 and 4 plates, in random gyms, for insane number of reps AND sets.
One scenario that could have happened is that event organizers put 40lb plates masked as 45lb plates and kept it silent without telling anyone. 10 plates x 5lb = 50lb less weight on bar.
Well never know what actually happened.
Kind of ridiculous to claim he lost the title on purpose because he put quad size first. Because that's not true
@@danielhenderson762 I didnt say that he lost on purpose. Only that he was quad development lunatic and in the end he hurt his chances of winning olympia. He finished third once which is pretty damn good.
Would 525 reps at 23 lbs illicit the same training effect ? I recently read a study that stated " higher reps " would give a similar hypertrophy response if carried to failure?
Would clearance ever give it a try?
#2: yes
Everyone who claim they have done it are 3 inches short in depth.
I'm liking this black board stuff recently
Dan green exists.
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Yo where is Eoin's shirt from though...?
I wanna know too so I leave this comment
Tian Tao could probably do it with some training
I'm attempting this soon.
I'm a 925lb raw squatter and train a lot of high rep stuff.
I'll be doing this with a loose knee wrap and a wider stance, but no Briefs or suit.
Truly believe that toshiki yamamoto has it in him
Tank would be the Japanese weightlifter I’d back, much bigger and stronger than Toshiki
Can we ask him about NMN next time? 🤔
Al Gore Rhythm.
Also, Tom Platz is/was a freak.
First time seeing the platz video. Looks fake, no bar bend at all, no bar bounce at all, spotters giving assistance, he didn't look that tired when he finished. Per BB BS.
I could easily do it, i just prefer to focus on some my other projects at the moment, like gardening and antique erotica collection.
If he trained for it, I reckon Toshiki Senpai can do it
He probably could, but if your gonna pick a weightlifter it’s Mart Seim, he’s done 320kg x 10, 400kg for a single, 370 for an easy triple, he’s the strongest superheavy statically , just not got Lashas technique and leverages
@@declanosullivan8749 Yea him too, but more impressive coming from Toshiki seeing as he has the lower bw
Plus Toshiki BW also nearer to Platz's I would assume
You need to put Toshiki on a shitton of steroids.
Joe Sullivan has done 381 kg squat raw, and he struggled immensely to do this obviously.
@@eugenepoon Yeah definitely more impressive bodyweight wise, Toshi has done 220kg x 20 so he has a chance
@@alexmoon3130 Toshiki is better at repping out than outright maxing heavier weights
That is why I thought of him as a better contender than Tian Tao for example
Hey Lads are Facebook livestreams coming back soon?
Yes, we were both away but they'll back this week
here for the Al gore ithim and to appreciate the two legged dump trucks...
6:26 lmfao
Leonidas Arkona beat it i think. He did 240kg x 25
Squat Senpai Tokishi did a 200/26; with a 321 1rm, maybe with a bit of PEDs he could do that :D
are you implying he’s not already on gear?
@@matthewmckee6289 i think he is not^^ Only his squat is huge, and his proportions are elite ;D
@@elomensch9566 his squat is massive, ie the same, if not better than others that we know are on gear, and he’s done 160+ snatch and 210+ C&J.
His snatch is the only thing lacking as his C&J is still pretty up there for his weight class.
He is without a doubt on gear, and I really don’t understand why everyone seems to think he’s not.
@@matthewmckee6289 Do you think a 210 clean and jerk is not obtainable as a 102? I think it should be possible. Nico Müller from germany has a 160 snatch and a 200 kg jerk and he is a 89kg - confirmed natural 100%
@@elomensch9566 define confirmed natural? every single athlete competing at worlds or the olympics is technically a ‘confirmed natural’ because there is meant to be testing, yet we all know that means nothing.
Joe got 19 I think and jakeyB got 17 or so
525 lbs is 238 kg my mans
I heard Platz lift was fake
One thing to keep in mind is Tom Platz did this with less Anabolics then what these guys are using. PLus Tom PLatz has a narrow stance which makes squatting harder. Tom Platz has the best legs ever!!!! Also I wanna mention he probably did those 23 reps without really training to do such feat. If Tom actually took like 6 months to train for something like this, like all the guys that challenged him are doing this now. Tom would have done closerr to 30 reps i bet. There will never be another Tom Platz!!
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I need to try cocaine while squatting.
Shit that was a quick click
I feel Clarence Kennedy could get this