MUI Goku vs Beast is NOT Close (At All!)
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- MUI Goku vs. Gohan Beast is obvious. Mastered Ultra Instinct vs Gohan Beast, Who is Stronger?
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U miss the fact tht goku casually pushed him back and told vegeta it was never his goal to beat Gohan just test him nice try tho
@@MercedesBoyzz truth that even vegeta said that goku was holding back
May I remind you that Gohan doesn't have God ki. He is really just that strong
That's not really that impressive, Jiren, Broly, Hit, 17, Kelfa and pre time chamber training Frieza all didn't have God ki. In fact God Ki as a concept is kinda ass anyway.
So like half the cast
If Gohan had ssb his ssb would probably be on mui level 🤣
ima kiab god ki means nothing in db 😭
@@Ostrich18not to mention androids are not on par with gods, and they don’t even have ki 💀💀💀
The only problem is goku has proving that stamina is not a big problem anymore for his ultra instinct form, meanwhile beast gohan looks pretty exhausted after land a hit on goku. And the last attack, gohan needs to charge his ki for quite a while before he was attacking goku, that's a major problem as well.
To be fair goku did have mui a while to train it gohan only recently got beast knowing dragon ball he train his beast form to fix stamina problems and learn how control it power output
I mean, Gohan wasn't really that tired. He didn't even ask to quit and immediately fought Broly right after, showing he wasn't tired.
@@rimurutempest9733 Goku didin't mastered ultra instinct yet you talking about perfected ultra instinct
@@NiebieskiGogerot not my point dumbass ik it mot mastered i call it mui more easy to know what I'm referring to as i said he had his form lot longer :|
Doesn't matter, Gohan was getting amps in battle by his beast form since that's how it works, he gets angrier and angrier till he feels he's about to snap, then uses that power to amp himself continuously, so yh, even worse, Goku isn't even at full power as he stated while Gohan is, so Goku's Power stats are basically confirmed higher than Gohan's, Gohan is NOT faster or stronger than Goku
HOLY CRAP... I can't with some of the comments under this video man.
GOKU NEVER SAID HE WASN'T TRYING AGAINST GOHAN!! Only that his objective was not to "win", but to test his own strength against him. Also I don't think Goku can just "not try" while using Mastered Ultra Instinct. That fundamentally goes against what the form is when HIS BODY MOVES AND REACTS ON ITS OWN!!
If some people in the comments can't understand that distinction then we really are not beating the allegations that Dragonball fans can't read lmao.
Are you stupid if goku is telling anyone that his objective is not to win that’s literally saying he’s not trying. You mfs are truly stupid my god. And he did not say he was testing his own power against gohan go back and actually read. The whole point was to gauge gohans power. Also bird brain in mui goku doesn’t have to use his dodge hax if he doesn’t want to he actually only really uses it a couple of times to actually show gohan how ultra instinct works. You’re the one who can’t read😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 keep coping and I swear I cannot wait until the anime comes back out and when we get more manga chapters. I guarantee you Gohan is going to be forgotten again and goku and vegeta will end up stealing all his hype this is literally a loop that yall don’t even realize is happening.
Lmao fr
Now just imagine how unfair it would really be if gohan had god ki.
Nothing would happen 💀 unless he obtained it through a transformation, even dende got god ki
@@ContonCityNews No like, if they do the ritual like the did in BOG when Goku obtained god ki. God ki is 100,000 times more powerful than goku’s base form, so just apply that to gohan’s base form and then multiply it with beast. Gohan would easily be able to beat goku and vegeta at the same time, maybe even an ultra vegito or ultra gogeta possibly but thats taking things a bit far.
@@THE_EDGINATOR extreme fanfiction fan 😭
@@ContonCityNews I like fanfiction, so what? It's cool asf in my opinion, and if your jus gonna come reply about me stating my opinion in a yt comments section, then your just weird.
@@THE_EDGINATOR nothing wrong with liking fanfiction, just don't get crazy ideas messed up with the actual story
Finally, someone who actually understands the Beast form......
Still doesn’t beat mui Goku
Explanation: Gohan was getting amps in battle by his beast form since that's how it works, he gets angrier and angrier till he feels he's about to snap, then uses that power to amp himself continuously, so yh, even worse, Goku isn't even at full power as he stated while Gohan is, so Goku's Power stats are basically confirmed higher than Gohan's, Gohan is NOT faster or stronger than Goku
@@ContonCityNews Toyotaro himself confirmed that both were fighting at their maximum power.......
@@ContonCityNewsdude who hurt u
@kumaraditya7372 nobody 💀 are you trying to hurt me or something? All I'm doing is letting Gohan fans know why Goku is still more powerfull.
What a random statement
@shounaksarkar6493 Give proof that he did that himself and it wasn't just the db official website giving their own summary of what happened, plus even IF it was him which it probably wasn't, it still contradicts the manga saying Goku wasn't trying to beat to Gohan and is most likely for small hype + promo effecf as it was RIGHT after Goku and Gohan's battle
Gohan that just learned how to activate his beast form has 26 years, that's the same age as when goku finally learned how to activate ssj 1 (when goku came back from yardrat).
Now imagine how powerful gohan will be when he's as old as super hero arc goku (50 years, counting the time when goku was dead or in time chambers).
Pretty obvious Gohan W.
Good breakdown.
Um no, Gohan was getting amps in battle by his beast form since that's how it works, he gets angrier and angrier till he feels he's about to snap, then uses that power to amp himself continuously, so yh, even worse, Goku isn't even at full power as he stated while Gohan is, so Goku's Power stats are basically confirmed higher than Gohan's, Gohan is NOT faster or stronger than Goku
@@ContonCityNews You're free to believe that. Alas, the manga shows otherwise.
@@11e1cess3 the manga backs me up on everything, you Gohan fans need to stop being biased, read and most importantly comprehend the manga, Gohan even stops plenty of times in the fight to explain how his beast form works and how he is at full power and getting amps too
@@ContonCityNews Take that cope up with Avent, not me. He has a discord linked for a reason lol.
@@11e1cess3 Sure
Goku fans cannot accept that Gohan is stronger Because they’re the same type of people that say that Gohan only surpass Goku one time in the series as A super Saiyan 2 😂
He's just not, just read the manga 💀it tells you EVERYTHING
Explanation: Gohan was getting amps in battle by his beast form since that's how it works, he gets angrier and angrier till he feels he's about to snap, then uses that power to amp himself continuously, so yh, even worse, Goku isn't even at full power as he stated while Gohan is, so Goku's Power stats are basically confirmed higher than Gohan's, Gohan is NOT faster or stronger than Goku
Gohan Fans can't accept that he got shit on by Blue Evolved Vegeta and Broly SSJ
@@gogetablue7905 what are you talking about and he ran the gauntlet and he was fine at the end because Everyone was exhausted.
@@troygarner666 Exactly, Stop saying nonsense. Everyone wasn't serious so we can't conclude anything. It was PRACTICE not ACTUAL Battle
@@gogetablue7905 again what are you talking about? You can include a bunch of stuff from that fight one I’m being that gohan is stronger than Goku. Do not get me wrong it’s not a big gap like many people were(are) saying before the manga I give it like a 6/10 times in Gohan favor.
In terms of who’s the stronger fighter and who packs more of a punch, Gohan Beast destroys in that compartment.
But in terms of speed and battle Iq, and counters, so just the better more well versed fighter overall, it goes to Goku.
So a sparing match would go either way. But a death match would definitely go to Gohan.
Nope when Goku was fighting with Gohan he was just chilling he was not fighting at full power
Goku take battle iq but n the manga Gohan beast was faster and knocked em out of mui
speed does not go to goku he just got more agility gohan was so fast that muis evasiveness could not keep up.
@@XENUPHANDLESIT1MF is meat riding hard
death match would go to goku too. Don’t forget about all the abilities ui has on top of the speed and stamina advantage. Lets just say gohan’s raw strength over powered goku but takes all his energy and stamina to do so. what’s he gonna do about the goku’s giant ki avatar that can activate when he’s near death?
Been saying it since day 1... Only battle IQ and Hax is helping Goku in an all out fight against Gohan, although it still wouldn't be enough to bring Gohan down
Who have u been saying it too since day one like ur not him
This guy isn't Akira or Toyotaro so calm down, plus he's wrong, only reason "Gohan has more raw power and speed" is because Goku was holding back, so Mui Goku's powerful stats weren't even at full power
Also Gohan was getting amps in battle by his beast form since that's how it works, he gets angrier and angrier till he feels he's about to snap, then uses that power to amp himself continuously, so yh, even worse, Goku isn't even at full power while Gohan is and is getting amps too
you forgot goku's battle experience. but yeah i agree
@@ContonCityNews Isn't it weird how DB fans wants someone be stronger than Goku so bad! Sometimes I wonder if we are reading the same manga. It seems like people get real excited when someone looks like they might be stronger than Goku even when it ambiguous
@sonnywoods6846 Tbh not for me, they're trying to forget the gaps to fulfill their biased desires, I'm a massive Goku tard but I know when to drop it if a character has fully been proven to be more powerful than him, there is absolutely no proof Gohan is more powerful than him while Goku has a decent amount of evidence of being superior in battle
There are many languages in this world, but this guy chose to speak FAX
Not at all 💀 Gohan was getting amps in battle by his beast form since that's how it works, he gets angrier and angrier till he feels he's about to snap, then uses that power to amp himself continuously, so yh, even worse, Goku isn't even at full power as he stated while Gohan is, so Goku's Power stats are basically confirmed higher than Gohan's, Gohan is NOT faster or stronger than Goku
@@ContonCityNews 💯
@@ContonCityNewskeep coping even Toriyama himself Said Gohan is the Strongest you Dragon Ball Fans really don't watch read your guy's own Series lol 😂
@@StevenJones851it’s been a while now since that statement was made and there’s been more story released since then. So depending on one’s opinion and perspective, some characters like Goku(and perhaps Vegeta) have surpassed him again
@@MasterCombatant Goku and Vegeta will Suprass Gohan of they get more power Boosts in the black frieza arc
It’s prolly close cuz goku has hax +abilities but beast gohan has raw power + strength to match it. I wouldn’t say it’s not close but in the manga it was close to some extent until gohan closed the gap with this power and put goku down. Overall good video tho ❤❤❤
Gohan doesn't have more strength or speed, Gohan was getting amps in battle by his beast form since that's how it works, he gets angrier and angrier till he feels he's about to snap, then uses that power to amp himself continuously, so yh, even worse, Goku isn't even at full power as he stated while Gohan is, so Goku's Power stats are basically confirmed higher than Gohan's, Gohan is NOT faster or stronger than Goku
@@ContonCityNews v jump and official statement stated this both of them use full power so no
Beast Gohan Is Not Stronger. That is pure Bias. Perfected Ultra Instinct Goku showcased Beautiful Display of Power/ Strength vs Jiren The Grey. Morro & Granolah & Gas. Time & time again. Yet Gohan fans thro all those feats of Power/ Strength away Goku has consistently displayed versus various opponents in favor of Gohan.
Essentially the Gohan fans, fan out too the point they cannot & do not make clear discernment nor understanding of genuine feats and power scaling between Goku and Gohan. No matter how superior Goku reveals himself to be. They will always downplay him bcuz they cannot distinguish their bias for Gohan to win. Essentially they cannot get rid of the tunnel vision they have when Gohan is up and especially vs or compared to Goku.
Goku took his eyes off the spar session with Gohan. A Gohan who was 100% tryin to defeat Goku. Goku casually blocking and knocking Back Beast Gohan, while he was distracted by Broly. Goku represents The Old School Martial Arts Masters that test the younger generation.
Goku didn’t seek to beat Gohan bcuz he has grown beyond that. Goku knows he has all the power. The fight was about ensuring Gohan will be Strong Enough to defend the planet when The Masters “Goku & Vegeta” are off world, the Earth will be in safe hands of Gohan, Broly, Goten & Trunks.
We are not far from end of Z. Base Form Goku becomes an Unstoppable OP Monster. Uub is Stronger than him.
Fax
All this crap gets so debunked by mui characteristics and Vegetas statament
@@giovannieriksandu2432 It really doesn’t lmao
Believe it or not, Gohan was confirmed to be the strongest character in DBZ, the “End of Z”, is in DBZ… So even by that logic, gohan would be stronger, but I do see the argument for goku being the stronger one
@@aterrariastarcell5952 That was in DBZ in the context of the Buu Saga, by that logic Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Anything in Super lmao.
imagine if Gohan was the one who got ssg in the ritual he would have god ki and something beyond beast 💀
Why is no one mentioning that goku stated that he was testing gohan out and not actually intending to beat him 💀
You'd think the manga would clear that up.
Because it doesn't fit their agenda
Because the official DBS website stated explicitly that both Goku and Gohan were at full power in the sparring match, Now the question is why didn't any of you guys address this statement from the official website?
Just type in DB official website it should be the first thing that appears when you look it up.
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 why is the manga contradicting the source when goku said he wasn’t trying? That’s the real question and what’s the link to the official manga site?
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350is a ki palm full power?
Gohans beast form has so much to grow. Whis explained it’s neither a super saiyan transformation nor is it a godly technique…
Beast is either an improvement to mystic or something completely different. Is gohan is able to combine beast form with super saiyan or god Ki he would be unstoppable.
Guys don't get at this because this vid was mostly about raw strength and by not close he means it in terms of power cuz
If that fight would've been a death battle rather then a sparing match goku would have known of mui's accuracy dipping mid fight and would have just tried to finish gohan from the start and by death battle I mean it so if goku sees gohan powering up goku's tryna stop him and if punches can't do it I think a quick kamehameha could guys what this all means is that if someone says who's stronger it's different from who would win in a fight (and by fight, I MEAN IT OK)
Goku fanboys are the reason why we gotta hype Gohan up again, cuz y'all didn't wanna let him take the baton at Cell Saga.
@@princekasper3328 Fck Gohan
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In terms of physical stats, Gohan is superior. In terms of hax and experience, Goku is better. However, you can just tell Gohan is the overall more powerful fighter. Not only are his punches more effective than Goku's own, Gohan is also able to completely bypass MUI's evasion hax while powered up. Its pretty consistent throughout the series that the one who has the better power, speed, and durability in a fight are usually the superior fighter.
Nah, Goku is better physically as well.
@@SonZackSSJ9k l'd go with Gohan having better power but as Vegeta said, Goku is much more experienced than Gohan. It's really power vs skill.
@@SonZackSSJ9k there no clear proof of that. The only thing that indicates that is Goku saying he wasn't trying, which is obviously since they were just sparring, but it's also obvious that Goku's MUI pretty blatantly carried him through the fight. Again, Gohan's punches were more effective than Goku's punches. Also, keep in mind that Vegeta himself said that Goku's MUI and his experience was closing the gap between them implying that Gohan was already the stronger of the two from the very start.
@@darryltorres7302 They really weren’t, again Goku was quite literally able to push Gohan back with a simple Kiai which is a technique that doesn’t even require Ki. If Gohan was pushed by that alone then those punches did more than push him back, it’s common sense.
I thought Gohan fans were done coping and trying to convince themselves that he would win. I guess not 😂
Fr lmao😭
I think Dragonball's biggest power leveling issue, is that there can't be power tiers between main villains and heroes. These characters can be interesting without being on the same scale as Goku & Vegeta. I'd argue that's what makes people like the TOP. Characters came back and fought on their own level. Even with the terrible power jumps Tien, Krillen and Roshi never became as strong as a Ssg, but still had interesting flights. Cell Max could have just been stronger than Gohan without being stronger than ultra instinct.
Gohan used only small part of his power against his father but I think it was still so unfair... I want to say to Gohan: Bro he is your father why you hited him so much, what you thinked about??
8:43 jus proves goku better
Better fighter and faster reaction.
But definitely not stronger.
You are not smart
Goku ui i think wins but not in pure strenght just by experience and battle iq
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Goku casually knocking Gohan back is a feat of Pure Power. The Gohan fans are not acknowledging Goku’s Power/Strength yet again. This is after Goku is distracted mid fight.
That’s as disingenuous as Master Roshi a DB Level Fighter, being able to keep up with Jiren The Grey. A DBZ level fighter who is Vastly Stronger than Kid Buu. Last & Strongest Villain so Strong, Goku needed The Help of nearly Everyone in The Universe, just to beat him.
Master Roshi could never fight on par with Jiren unless he had the power to match or overpower him. Same difference with Goku. Goku literally overpowering Gohan with one arm.
Even though Gohan is stronger (At the moment), I still perfer MUI over Beast as transformations.
Good vid though💯
I still prefer Beast over Mui as transformation because beast don’t need require to has a calm heart and mind like Mui
beast has such a goofy fucking design shit looks like it came from a DB parody
@@TomasBregman The problem with Ultra Instinct is that you have to be a calm heart and mind and be emotion less all the time can of ass and can of shit
@@PeterPan-yg9xu So its better to use UI sign when in situations that make the user mad, since they can maintain it while beating the shit outof thier opps
@@PeterPan-yg9xu That only applies to the manga which has the shittier version of UI
It’s power vs skill and that there lies the problem because while yes gohan is most definitely more powerful in terms of raw power output his mastery over that said power is lacking where Goku has mastered his ultra instinct abilities to a very high degree since the granola arc which is why I give Goku the victory here although that dose not mean i don’t believe gohan can’t surpass him just that as of now Goku is better at using his abilities than gohan is beast hopefully though in the next few arcs we will see gohan master his power and show what he can really do
Yea exactly goku first goy mui he wasn't good at it as he is now I'm sure once gohan masters his beast form he be lot better at it i believe there levels to a form now
Seems like god ki doesnt mean as much as it used to.
Yeah people think goku was holding back and beast gohan was using full power none of them were going all out I don’t think people understand that this was a friendly sparing match why will beast gohan go all out on his dad and why will goku go all out against his son this is why a lot of dragon ball fans are basically casuals they don’t read closely or read daily news on the topic they just assume thinks and tell this to people but when people disagree with this claim they wanna argue because they don’t read the manga closely or read news on the topic.
Gohan WAS going all out
Explanation: Gohan was getting amps in battle by his beast form since that's how it works, he gets angrier and angrier till he feels he's about to snap, then uses that power to amp himself continuously, so yh, even worse, Goku isn't even at full power as he stated while Gohan is, so Goku's Power stats are basically confirmed higher than Gohan's, Gohan is NOT faster or stronger than Goku
@@ContonCityNewsFax
Totally agree.
Here’s how I see it
Strength: Gohan
Travel speed: Equal
Reaction Speed: Goku (Gohan when pushing to berserk)
IQ: Gohan
BIQ: Goku
Hax: Goku
You see it wrong cause Gohan was so fast goku couldnt react to him when he was charged up, and the beast form ended up overwhelming Goku’s evasive speed. SO-
Strength: Gohan
R + C speed: Gohan
Travel speed: Gohan
Durability: Gohan
IQ: Gohan
BIQ: Goku
HAX: Goku
Abilities/Versatility: Goku
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That’ll be all.
Nope, Gohan was getting amps in battle by his beast form since that's how it works, he gets angrier and angrier till he feels he's about to snap, then uses that power to amp himself continuously, so yh, even worse, Goku isn't even at full power as he stated while Gohan is, so Goku's Power stats are basically confirmed higher than Gohan's, Gohan is NOT faster or stronger than Goku
**Strength: SSJB Goku
Speed (Travel and Reaction): SSJB Goku
IQ: Midhan
BIQ: Goku
Experience: Goku, fixed it for you.
lol you Dragon Ball powerscalers are so funny. It's VERY obvious that their spar was Power vs Skill. Vegeta said so himself. Gohan would come out on top more times than Goku but it wouldn't be easy.
Great video!
Gohan seems to be a lot like Broli
The glaze in this video is unbearable
@@proheraldsjr3000 it's facts
@@StevenJones851 no it’s Copium and you’re snorting a bunch of it along with the HanTard who made this wack a** sh**. Just wait for the manga to continue ya boy Gohan is not getting anymore hype after 103 💀💀💀 goofy a** mfs gone be salty asf when things go back to being exactly how they was before he got his little transformation😂😂😂
@@StevenJones851 no it’s pure copium and you Han fans need better comprehension skills or to just stop reading all together. Mfs sound dumb asf saying Gohan won anything against goku when In fact 80%-90% of the spar goku was in control. What’s actually facts is realizing goku was stated to had not been trying and just wanted to test Gohan and goku didn’t have to go to max power like beast did just to land one hit💯 cope and cry more.
@@StevenJones851glaze asf 💀💀
@@AyerFrFr keep coping bro lol 😂
You destroyed those Goku fans lmao
So we're just gonna ignore Goku saying that he just wants to gauge Gohans new form and wasn't interested in fighting seriously? Also it was a sparring match...until we see both forms fight at full capacity either against Freiza or each other they're equal overall. Beast has the edge in raw power but everything else mui has it beat I don't know why ppl still argue about this. It would be a more interesting fight against ultra ego vegeta honestly
I see MUI vs Beast as a professional MMA fighter vs someone who can Punch REALLY hard. Sure, if that hard puncher lands a few blows is probably over... but that MMA fighter has a lot more ways to deal with the hard puncher than the inverse.
if only Gohan took things more seriously
Imagine needing God Ki to reach this level of power...
Why does everyone think UI is a hax? It's only hax when Goku is far stronger than the opponent, but when he's against someone of the same level or stronger, it doesn't really do that much, it's just another power up form. Goku auto dodges here and there, but UI hax can be overwhelmed simply by just being stronger & faster. Ex: Jiren, Gas, Granolah, Black Frieza, Beast Gohan.
honestly, I don’t think Gohan has ever shown the grit to beat Goku. Gohan has never beaten an opponent on his lvl without outside interference. Which is typically is him seeing someone he loves hurt. The only time you could say he kinda did, is when he had a draw with Kefla. Gohan needs to be pushed to surpass opponents on his level typically, and the will doesn’t come on its own. Goku on the other hand, can push himself past his limits and surpass opponents when they’re on his level and beyond.
Gohan on his own is soft, as in he rarely has the ability to push himself hard enough to beat strong opponents. Even in the Hero movie Piccolo had to pretend to hurt Pan to get him to beat Gamma 1. If that didn’t happen, as far as we can tell he would have lost. Gohan is over confident when he’s stronger than his opponents, which causes him to lose consistently. And he doesn’t have the the experience or grit to beat opponents that are on his lvl consistently.
Gohan may be physically stronger than Goku, but I can almost guarantee he’d lose to him 10 times outta 10.
If you could cover Akuto sai (that’ll be amazing)…. He’s a demon lord who I believe is stronger than all these broken characters like Gilgamesh, and Anti spiral and etc… the manga version needs a cover
Yo Avent I'm not sure if you watched Tanya A saga of the evil but I was wondering if you could do a video on whether or not she's a sociopath given it's really debated whether she is or not
The Isekai DEMON
You know that's an awesome ideas, I hope Avent do that.
He was a psychopath long before he was put into the girl body. He just learned to control it.
ok now imagine broly ssj2 or above💀💀💀💀
One thing Beerus and Whis where of earth in the Moro arch when Goku used the Susano form
Uhm.. this man‘s voice.. you’re not Vaatividya are you?
While Beast Gohan is holding back... But
Goku = Holding Back
Vegeta = Uses Blue Evolved to fight Beast Gohan
Broly = Uses SSJ Mastered
You were saying? Pointless debate, It's training not a real fight.
No lmao. Just no. How many times Has Goku been knocked down to base form and came back to win the fight?! This is ridiculous it was a sparing match. Did Goku Goku go Susano? Did Gohan actually try to kill Goku? This is getting RIDICULOUS.
There's nothing ridiculous about it. MUI Goku got blitzed, and it was drawn the same way as when Frieza did it. It's just a much more impressive feat because Goku was expecting it and he appears to be have blocked the attack, unlike versus Freiza.
The "it was just sparring" argument does not work because Goku was Fresh in MUI and Ultra instinct does not care if you're fighting to the death or not, it's auto-dodge every time. And Gohan had to go full power until he almost lost control just to pull out his perfect power. So by those factors you cannot just say it was just a spar. Because even it it was a real fight to the death, nothing would change as they both went all out.
I’m under the belief gohan stronger but goku still wins the fight
these power jumps from non goku and vegeta characters are past the point of ridiculous . super saiyan god really fucked shit up nice
I also curious no one ever tackles the statement of goku saying he was testin gohan not trying to win🤔EXTREMELY INTERESTING
Can Patrick Jane catch Johan liebert?
Gohan has more raw power, however Goku has more hax, skill, adaptability and battle IQ. Although more powerful, Gohan would lose in an all out 1v1. Let's not forget one important fact that Goku wasn't fighting to beat him, hence why he stayed defensive to test Beast's offensive capabilities against his MUI defensive, and to say that fight isn't close has to be the most disingenuous thing I've ever heard
okay so how does gohan stack against black freiza🤔
Can make video on white room vs whimmys house who produced better geniuses
In the start of the fight, Goku wasn't trying as hard to hit Gohan as much as Gohan was trying to hit him. He was really just gauging his power. I feel like theres still a debate if, if Goku dicided to go all out from the start.
There's no debate bcuz Gohan was getting amps in battle by his beast form since that's how it works, he gets angrier and angrier till he feels he's about to snap, then uses that power to amp himself continuously, so yh, even worse, Goku isn't even at full power as he stated while Gohan is, so Goku's Power stats are basically confirmed higher than Gohan's, Gohan is NOT faster or stronger than Goku
Jiren Broke Through UI.. Gohan Did Not.. Goku Clearly Dropped Out Of It Himself
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Just remember... Goku perfected U.I (silver) isn't even mastered at all and it is at the bottom of the bottom tier of all the U.I users. People can give Gohan the title of the strongest alongside Broly, but at the end of the day, nothing is beating an angel passive trait.
Goku will ascend to a point where he might be a low tier angel in terms of U.I mastery.
Another thing is...Broly is stronger than Gohan.
Also The Manga Is Completely Diff Then The Anime and The OWNER Did Not Write That
LR STR Beast Gohan Solos fiction
9:48 whoa whoa whoa 😭u could also argue Goku didn’t tap into it as soon as possible considering if this was a real fight goku wouldn’t waste time talking and giving gohan his props
It's Goku. He's giving his props even during a serious fight, that ain't gonna change.
And Goku said he was never even trying tò win fight, but only tò test Gohan
Goku will always get another form and surpass the rabble.
He is the franchise.
Goku beats gohan. Gohan only got in one solid hit after massively amping himself and almost going berserk and having to control himself. And after that hit goku was perfectly fine and went on to fight gohan while not paying attention to him and focusing on broly. Goku than pushes going away without touching him with one hand and ends the spar there. Goku also wasn't trying to beat gohan and he didn't use his techniques.
Did Goku not tell Vegeta that he wasn’t trying to win in the same chapter?
Didn't Vegeta said it's a draw?
If we want to talk about not trying Gohan quite literally has to cap himself so he doesn’t use the full power of his beast form. It’s explained in the video and in the Manga itself.
Yes
@pozzytrack0 You're reaching and if this content creator said that then he is too, Gohan controls his power right when he's about to snap as in when in his beast form, he constantly uses rage in battle and controls it when he gets angrier and angrier and uses that rage to amp himself, your making it sound like he can transform infinite times if he wanted to but doesn't, if that was the case he would've done that and 1 shot Goku or would've done that to show Goku his power so he could know the power difference plus if that's the case then I guess then i guess Black Frieza, Beerus, Whis and the Gp could lose to Gohan, none of what you're implying makes any sense
@@pozzytrack0you’re absolutely wrong lmao that’s not what happened
I'd guess that Gohan is more powerful. He's always been the fighter with the most potential...by A LOT.
Everyone need to remember Vegeta never got his potential unlocked nor did goku
Ok and?💀 is krillin or Gohan from the namek saga more powerful than mui Goku or ue Vegeta? What does this mean?
@@ContonCityNews Gohan for a massive power boost so can Goku and Vegeta
@@Purplebellybella Doesn't matter tho, the last potential unlock was in the buu saga, they're useless now otherwise the kais would've been using them constantly
@@ContonCityNews wow your actually a fair debater instead of being biased
@@ectrion2574 thx alot for those words, currently arguing with alot of Gohan tards in the comment section, I'm a Goku tard fr, but if there's solid proof another character is stronger than him then I'm willing to accept it though it will hurt
I don't think Gohan is winning against Goku. While Gohan is technically stronger. Just barely. He's winded as soon as he landed those 2 hits on Goku. That probably drains a lot of his stamina. He literally had to get angry and power up to his fullest in order to trump Goku. Where as Goku is just being Goku. Second, while Gohan might be physically superior, but just barely, Goku has the tools to actually beat Gohan. He has Ui, he's far more experienced, and has better technique. Goku is the better fighter by miles. Also, take this how you want to take it, but Goku literally tells Vegeta that he wasn't reallly trying to beat Gohan.
… so we just gon go past the fact that bro lost in the manga or ?? And were also gonna go past the fact that if goku went UI hes as powerful as blue gogeta wich will utterly shit in gohan in any omniverse you can bring up ? Surely were not gonna forget about the favt that UI dodges move like a cheat code. Most definitely not gonna forget about that its a divine technique. Bro already lost, and UI has adaptation in it as well you saw it in the ToP. Gohan is pretty much done. Goku has experience, thats why roshi was able to squabble up wit jiren in the manga.
Hey guys it's aventie and today where gonna be doing what if Naruto had the 10tails
How much stronger do these db mfs need to get man they are already on par with the gods why would they need any more power
Beast gohanis cool, and im okay with the idea ofgohan surpassig goku. I just dont like how it happened. It just came out of no where. No training, no defeats and zenkai boosts. Just nothing. He just got mad and it isnt even related to his saiyain powers. So he got mad and just poof, became stronger than gods and angels? Where was this in the buu ark?
Don't worry he hasn't surpassed Goku
Explanation: Gohan was getting amps in battle by his beast form since that's how it works, he gets angrier and angrier till he feels he's about to snap, then uses that power to amp himself continuously, so yh, even worse, Goku isn't even at full power as he stated while Gohan is, so Goku's Power stats are basically confirmed higher than Gohan's, Gohan is NOT faster or stronger than Goku
@@ContonCityNews your basically a youtube bot at this point i ain't taking you seriously anymore GOHANS THE STRONGEST AS STATED BY AKIRA TORIYAMA
@@StevenJones851Toriyama never said that stop misquoting
Stopped watching DBZ after the Buu Arc, tapped back in for TOP in Super and that’s all.. and after watching this video, I’m glad about the decision I made💯.. Cause wtf is this garbage?
Well the manga says that gohan win,goku was in fully power,his strongest form is mui,tui is just ui sign so he can use his emotions,in that case gohan did win
So in other words
The strongest:gohan
The best potential:broly/gohan
The battle ig/goku and vegeta
Not even, Gohan was getting amps in battle by his beast form since that's how it works, he gets angrier and angrier till he feels he's about to snap, then uses that power to amp himself continuously, so yh, even worse, Goku isn't even at full power as he stated while Gohan is, so Goku's Power stats are basically confirmed higher than Gohan's, Gohan is NOT faster or stronger than Goku
@@ContonCityNews beerus and whis confirmed goku was going all out
@@spaghettithegamer1344 No they never
@@ContonCityNews I get you love Goku but you gotta stop copy-and pasting this same answer 49 times bruh lol.
@@SirWarden I'm just telling the truth to Gohan tards, this is a comment section and I'm allowed to speak my mind
Massive W
False, Gohan can only use his full power for short time . Probably then ssj3 Goku in the buu saga. Once Goku went back in Ui he couldn’t be touched and knocked Gohan away. Ui Goku is the strongest because Ui is the strongest form simple
When was it stated that Gohan can use Beast for a short time?
Forget that, Gohan is basically CONFIRMED weaker than Goku
Explanation: Gohan was getting amps in battle by his beast form since that's how it works, he gets angrier and angrier till he feels he's about to snap, then uses that power to amp himself continuously, so yh, even worse, Goku isn't even at full power as he stated while Gohan is, so Goku's Power stats are basically confirmed higher than Gohan's, Gohan is NOT faster or stronger than Goku
Literally everything you need to know is in their battle
@@sspurgatoryx8773 it was shown, when he powered up to land that one punch on Goku that just scratched his face. Pay attention 😭
@@DBZ_AnimeWORLD YOU pay attention and quit lying. Gohan never said that.
@@sspurgatoryx8773 so you can’t tell when a person is tired are you like 13 or something. Gohan was breathing heavy and had to go full power plus rage boost just to bearly hurt Goku smh
Now that dbs is so back I hope they triple down on GOHEEZY cuz he’s back.
bUt CaN hE bEaT gOkU tHo?
It says if he was completed he would be stronger than broly but was awaken early so he is not stronger than broly
I disagree Goku and Gohan are probably super close in power and Gohan just close that gap and surpass goku power by a small margin.
In my opinion Goku and Gohan is like Goku and Gas after Goku evolved his Omen UI to True UI!
Being Gohan is stronger but only by him controlling his power like he did allowed him to margin catch up to Goku, briefly surpassed him!
Now watch after Gohan master this level he just used Goku is gonna far surpass him again! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Goku>> gohan get over it
It’s more like goku>= gohan but oh well
Oh no, it’s definitely goku=
@@troygarner666 speed.
In Dragon Ball, unless stated otherwise speed equal strength and Gohan is stronger
@@troygarner666 goku has hax, abilities, experience and speed (since gohan needs to almost go berserk and be exhausted after that to even HIT GOKU!)
You're not even read the manga gohan said in the end that he is just using his max power on that but still goku can manage to keep up with him even vegeta ask to goku no winning no losing goku said that goku is testing gohan if he can defend earth even if their not around its goku is holding read the manga then make a conclusion
Can bro even powerscale?
I'm not agree with the analisis of Goku power
You said Goku in the Granolah Arc grew tremendously in power when that wasn't stated nor shown at all
If anything, the Granolah arc show us how Goku couldn't tap into the full power of UI at will, which force him to use a nerfed version of silver UI until he used TUI
The Moro Arc UI was stated to be perfect, emotion controlled and was able to fight against at the same level of Meerus UI, who is an angel by nature and doesn't have the problems Goku has later on the next arc
After the Granolah arc he faced Gohan using aparently the 100% Silver UI
Goku and Gohan are on the same tier, the fight was even
Agreed Gohan is stronger
Goku convincingly wins. Gohan doesn't have the stamina to keep up the level hed have to to beat goku.
bro didn’t watch the video😭
@@RYNCRRLL I didn't lmao. He say otherwise?
@@RYNCRRLL the video is flawed, firstly whis and beerus never seen goku in his susano state or whatever you call it as they left due to a call from the gp. 2nd he uses statements that are about orange piccolo being on par with goku and vegeta, this doesn't clear up if its on par with blue forms or ultra form as it would make more sense if it was blue forms or atleast blue kaioken and blue evolution as goku showed relativity to a stronger beast gohan who beat cell max. 3rd, as he showed goku leaves his forms for stupid reason as jiren scared goku out of ssj blue, most likely goku would just jump back into mui. He used the Title Battle Of The Strongest to claim goku being superior to vegeta which he can't as the battle of the strongest would include frieza in it, most likely battle of the strongest was only refered as people on the same power level playing field like ultra ego, mui, beast, lssj, black frieza
Exactly, Gohan was getting amps in battle by his beast form since that's how it works, he gets angrier and angrier till he feels he's about to snap, then uses that power to amp himself continuously, so yh, even worse, Goku isn't even at full power as he stated while Gohan is, so Goku's Power stats are basically confirmed higher than Gohan's, Gohan is NOT faster or stronger than Goku
@@RYNCRRLL Good tbh, it's wrong, bro is not Akira or Toyotaro, think for yourselves and just READ and COMPREHEND the info that was given to you in the manga
ur beginning to turn into a DB content creator. Anyways, beerus n whis didnt see gokus avatar, plus, his avatar is him literally using PUI aswell as having a ki shape of himself, he overpowered gas in that moment (since gas couldnt break his grip) and also he couldnt break into moro's defenses w PUI alone, leading him to lose the form, however, w this avatar, he regaines his form and overpowered him w it.
Moreover, goku was obv holding back more than gohan, while gohan was also holding back, goku mentioned that he didnt have the intention to win against him, but only gauged his strength and thought broly can handle it.
Furthermore, Goku didnt transform from base to UI again after the burst of Gohan's full power "which literally left him puffing" was bcz he was only questioning gohan, the scratches in the next panels are also gone, plus he was only crying as a goku thing, as goku literally cries from bulma's slaps *as seen in DBS BOG and further into the story*
What Gohan meant by "why is everyone willing to fight me" was that its only everyone thats intrigued abt his strength, its not based on a logic that gohans stronger and they wanna surpass him.
Conclusion: Goku's superior speed n exp gives him the edge, Mid-Diff.
Mui Goku high diffs.or if you truly believe Gohan wins then he at the very least extreme diffs Goku.
The fight is either extremely close but Gohan favoured, or it’s Goku favoured but he MUST put his all into it to win.
I respectfully disagree. Yes, Gohan is, in fact, the strongest. That can’t be denied but the reason I believe Goku to be better overall is due to the technique and skill of UI. Sometimes the stronger one isn’t who wins, but instead it’s the one who happens to be a better fighter overall
It can be denied lmao gohan isn’t the strongest
@@QGUUwho would you say is the strongest?
goku glaze is mad
It kinda is close
Nahh bro your smoking bro goku and vegeta was holding back
There are multiple statements that state Goku was not holding back. You have the official dragon ball website,Toyotaro in an interview and Vegeta all state that Beast Gohan is stronger.
Official dragon ball website Goku Gohan was fighting at full power.
Vegeta Kakarot is using UI to steer the fight in his favor
Toyotaro I want to make the fights in super to be like the fights in dragon ball not just about who is stronger but who is a better fighter.
So in the end there are literal statements that Goku was not holding back.
But Goku said he wasn't trying to win. Yes but Goku said before the sparring match that he wanted to see how strong Gohan had gotten.
In a serious fight Goku would win even though he is weaker.
Bardock was stated to be weaker than gas and bardock defeated gas
Does that mean gas was holding back?
reminder-pui is way stronger than mui
It's the same form PUI is the official name and MUI is a fanmade name.
@@raiden8991 nope pui is an evolution like tui its basicly ui omen mui and than tui and pui evolved from mui pui id way stronger
@@Alex_orezaru-mb4nr buddy don't make things up, the silver haired form was never officially called MUI it has always been called Perfected Ultra Instinct, MUI is just a fanmade name.
@@raiden8991 "buddy dont make things up" ill use the same things lets search on yt💀💀
@@Alex_orezaru-mb4nrpui is mui bro
Goku stomps badly
tell this to dragon clap tv
he wont listen trust me
Goku mui wins
Gohan stomps