Why Movies Are About To Get A Lot Worse
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Studios have always had focus groups and pre-screenings. "Toxic Fandoms" is just an easy excuse to use when Hollywood barely bothers to put together a coherent storyline, relateable characters, good dialogue and show some respect for the source material. Worse yet is when they decide to "subvert fan expectations". So don't blame the fans, stop making garbage.
Exactly !
Are we allowed to dislike a movie for bad writing and poor performances anymore? Or do they just keep asking until they get the response they want to hear?
I have to agreed, this is a poor video from WhatCulture. Franchises like Star Wars and Marvel have made so much money because of the fanbase. Having these companies telling them they are toxic because they don't like the story or direction it is going in it, is ridiculous. Its like McDonalds stop selling beef and only sold veggies burgers, then insulted their customers for poor sales!!
People will downvote a trailer into oblivion before the projects even gets released. Once it does come out, they’ll praise the ones that align with their politics and label anything they dislike as 'woke,' blaming that for the bad writing-even though many other factors are involved. It's all part of the culture war. You'll hear complaints like, "The writing is so bad, a woman can't realistically take on five men at once, and her expression doesn’t even change-terrible performance! terrible!"... I just see a lot of bad 'reviews' from fans, even when the writing & performance is good.
@@jamesmswenko8292 Great response. I love the Star Wars saga, but the last 2 sucked. Not because they were woke, they just sucked. The writing was awful, and they made no sense. They also ruined Luke Skywalker. They had great cinematography and scoring, but the actual plot sucked. But Rogue One, and Andor were phenomenal, and both had strong female characters. The difference was the writing. Woke now means I’m conservative, and I don’t like this…
I agree. Rings of Power lovers claim that it is being bashed by "anti-woke" people. But the vast majority of criticism I've read is about how bad the writing is and how small this epic tale is being made. Small number of beings, small number of buildings, small cities, small fights, etc.
The problem is legitimate criticisms are being blown out of proportion to serve a narrative. It's the critical analog to 'doing your own research' where OF COURSE you can find evidence on the internet to support the conclusion you've already come to. Thanks for asking.
This initiative will mean jack squat if the writers remain incompetent at their jobs, or studios keep pushing out products with a half-baked script finished.
The core issue of all this is that Hollywood has become a 100% for-profit business. Nobody cares about the artistic merits of the movies anymore, they only care about the profits that can come from it. THAT’S the core issue here. Nobody’s gonna want to do anything risky because that hurts their box office, but now combine that with half-baked scripts and you get a Rise of Skywalker situation where it’s trying DESPERATELY to please the fans while being a terribly written ordeal at the same time. And as long as that core mentality of making films as quickly as possible not for the artistry but for the money, Hollywood will never again capture its golden age in like the 90s and 2000s. It never will.
I feel the complete opposite, I feel like we can’t criticize anything anymore without being called all the negative titles you just named. We can’t say Hollywood is not making good movies anymore and then say people criticizing the films is a bad thing…
If this happens all the time, it might be time to step back and look at your criticism.
@@philopharynx7910 it doesn’t happen all the time, I actually keep my criticism to myself for the most part and just stop watching, playing or reading the material. This video was rare exception to me expressing my thoughts. But I do appreciate your comment!
@@ridebluemx Good choice. I have often questioned some of the people who seem to detest something, and yet spend so much effort and time discussing it. But I'm always up for reasonable criticism.
Criticizing is one thing. Whats going on with revew bombing and such is a completely other side.
@@truetypefont_ agreed but I feel like we are at a point that criticism of any kind is lumped into review bombing more than it should.
Hollyweird has become to far detached from the real world. The hubris in Tinseltown is so high they have forgotten that they exist at the audience's discretion, not the other way around.
When you take advantage of something for too long, only one result ensues. You lose it. Tinseltown has lost the plot.
real world? what do you mean by that
@@jimbo9208 Ivory towers are not the real world. Why does this need an explanation?
It is the fans finally voicing their opinions and concerns about how bad movies are and have been. The fans are frustrated and keep getting disappointed over and over and it’s obvious it is just getting worse. The entertainment industry created this toxic environment and then blames the fans and cries victim. The entertainment industry should be restructured or it’ll get worse. BUSINESS 101 is the CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT!!! It’s NOT HARD lol Stop blaming the frustrated fans and look at yourselves 👍🏾
Not always. Sometimes the audience doesn't know what they want until you show them. I can think of lots of sequels that went in an entirely different direction that I enjoyed.
Bullshit! Lots of fans were totally against the idea of Michael Keaton as Batman and hated the idea of apparent softie Heath Ledger as Joker. If hollywood would've exclusively listen to the fans we wouldn't have gotten a ton of movies that are called classics today!
It’s quite interesting listening to this side of things. I don’t agree with any of it but it is interesting to hear that they sort of think that so called ‘toxic fans’ are the issue rather than the response to the issue which has always been my understanding.
The worst part about Star Wars is not that they messed with the lore but that they did so with such disrespect. Both to the characters and to the fans. If Disney had treated the last trilogy the way George wanted it done, they would have cleaned up at the box office and fans would have been satisfied with the end of the Skywalker saga. They then could have done it their way with the fans blessing. Instead, they did it their way out of the gate, disrespecting George, the lore, and the fans, and ultimately failed miserably. The reasons are obvious to all but Disney...☺
Facts
They could have done it without following Lucas. But they either needed to get all of the writers into a room to hash out the whole trilogy as a cohesive unit or they needed to schedule them far enough apart that they had time to develop each in reaction to the previous movie. If you want each one to be a unique vision, then don't make them a trilogy.
A lot of the hateful criticism (bigoted racist sexist) makes it hard to engage in actual constructive criticism, too. I used to have fun dissecting movies and games but now it's not even worth it to get lumped in with people like that. Sucks all the fun out of it.
It's not that fans are toxic It's because all the studios and the people who work on the movies are activists. They all want to put out content with a checklist to hit everything. Its not art anymore it is all just content. Art is daring, exciting, and expressive while content is soulless and heartless.
You can’t just dislike poorly made content anymore. Have to have an agenda as to why. IT’S LAZY WRITING. Call it what it is.
This video completely discounts the pre production interviews where the actors actively hate the original characters and franchises
Lmao, they admit they didn't care about their slop until we couldn't be ignored.
The term superfan is definitely a misnomer. Someone who reads something online that challenges their view and says,"I already know this is going to be garbage and I am not going to waste my time watching!!!!" is not a superfan, quite the opposite actually. The world evolves and media reflects that. It needs to. I would go further and say it needs to push boundaries or it will grow stagnant. How would the original depictions of Captain America and Superman view the popularity of anime and manga around the world? Wouldn't they view it as corrupting influence of the east on the west? Is that the depictions we should be using today?
Culture is soft power. And Western culture is getting so insular, profit-driven, risk-averse and expensive (late stage capitalism) that it's soft power is eroding. I used to laugh at Western movies like James Bond having Chinese and Russian Communists refer to the West as 'decadent' but at this point they might be right - about the film industry at least
The cycle of these lot claiming doom & gloom for Hollywood & yet nothing happens, it’s been like this for 20+ years.
Agree. I remember everyone being upset about movies in the mid 2000s
@@FilmandComicsSanctuary
Yeah everyone claiming narrative cinema was dying & guess what, it didn’t.
It's worse than ever. They keep making crap people don't want to see. They've lost Billions. If they don't make changes, nothing will get better
We'd have never gotten Heath Ledger's Joker or Michael Keaton's Batman if there was a "fanboy focus group" to answer to.
I disagree, I dont think anyone who viewed Heath ledgers audition and screen tests would have been against his casting. it was only people speculating he was wrong for the part because they hadn't seen his portrayal of the joker, they only had his other rolls to go on. I don't think they are involving fans that early, to help make casting decisions biased on no information beyond a name. if anything they might have been able to stop jared leto after seeing how bad he was for the roll, even if he was good on paper
@@snailorgy Ah yes, comic book fanboys, a bunch renowned across the land for their constant insistence to do exquisite and extensive research before making an argument and building cardboard forts they insist on dying in!
@@dahakaguardianofthetimelin4780 I'm not saying they are going to do the research themselves, but we are talking about hired (probably paid) ''focus groups' here. im not saying the whole fandom will like a casting choice before they see the result, but that producers will show this sort of stuff to the ''super fan'' focus groups and ask for their opinions and take their feedback on. its not like they are just going to hire groups of incels to complain at them, or have incels make the movie, but people who actually care about the fandom
@@dahakaguardianofthetimelin4780 we also wouldn't of gotten the trash fires that are Rings of Power and Wheel of Time. The studios rely on backlash to handwash away the actual criticisms of what they are putting out.
@@TheKoenr I'd rather get a bad show or two that I won't watch or care about anyway than miss out on excellent or even sub-par experimental movies.
Can we stop making franchises, comic book movies and remakes? Or at least so many of them?
why that what people want to watch
@@jimbo9208 Is that why Hollywood is freaking out over the last decade that they can't get butts in seats?
Absolutely! How do people like that crap?
@@jimbo9208dumb people,maybe
@@trinaderickson9733 ha that funny have you ever been to the movies
"About to"? Yall sleep through the 2015s into Current Year or something?
Who’s excited for Andor season 2?! Best Star Wars in a long time… a long time 😎
not a movie
These type of films have always been altered by producers to make them audience friendly, including test screening, and as for the bigotry, they obliviously won't listen 'needs less diversity' as a valid criticism.
more of a ''needs less diversity for diversities sake''. diversity is great in general, can make worlds and stories feel alive and epic. but changing established characters ethnicities, pushing diverse people into areas that it doesn't make sense to be in, and having them as token characters is ridiculous. for example, having a transgender Asian woman play Sundiata Keita in a film about the first Mali Empire would be dumb, and should be treated as such. its not toxic to call that sort of thing
@snailorgy I get your point to an extent if it's about someone playing a real-life person but not so much if it's about a fictional character. Considering acting on the stage has nearly always had people of different genders, races, etc playing different roles, it's weird that movie & TV watchers are so against it - especially with all the mountains of reboots meaning there is essentially no main canon anymore. Just today's canon or each individual person's own head canon.
I can't see how "needs less diversity" is a valid criticism. It's all about casting an actor that does a good job at the role. If they don't do a good job, it's about the actor not fitting, not the category they fall into. I'm open to somebody trying to show me otherwise, but I doubt it's an issue.
@philopharynx7910 I meant that the filmmakers won't see it as a valid criticism, not that it is a valid criticism.
@@GarryLarryBarry Ah, I misunderstood.
Huh? Movies are genuinely bad now - I don’t even go cinema anymore and I have a black unlimited card…
90% of everything's bad. The good stuff is what endures the passage of time
I just want a good story.
Im just really disappointed that they shoehorn lifestyle choices just to do it. Not organically but with the agenda of forcing families to view things they find offensive or inappropriate for their kids. Sure, we can just turn it all off, but the box office takes speak to the fact that there are alot of folks who ate disappointed as well.
The problem is that all of this art has been completely corporatized to the point that there is no longer very much art in it at all. All these boards, suits, committees & consultants are bringing together all these people who may have technical skill when it comes to art, but they have no vision, understanding, or integrity. These corporate committees hire them because they will do what they are told & Frankenstein together this endless stream of corporate pablum.
The artistry & the artists are deliberately removed & kept out of the mainstream entertainment industries now, because by nature, real art & artists are diametrically opposed to corporate logic.
The other side of it is that people can't afford to go to the cinema twice a month, so have to be really selective about what they go see.
Sorry sometimes media is just bad. The Acolyte had terrible writing, Echo had equally terrible writing, Andor stars a Mexican but is universally praised. If the quality is good it will be accepted. Don't blame the Toxic Fandom when the quality of the project is not good enough.
This comments section honesty fills me with hope. Everytime a bad take is dropped like calling people 'toxic", "racist" or "sexist" because lazy writing and tired tropes are rejected it should be celebrated. Especially when the presenter is fairly obviously only coming at it from a deeply ideological standpoint
Damn, so 2007 was the best year for video games AND movies?
Holy sh*t guys, Graduation came out in 2007. Is 2007 just the best year period?
Movie UA-cam has gone from "Here's why this movie is great because of clever writing/editing/directing/performances" to "Here's why this movie SUCKS because it's FORCING a hidden AGENDA on you because it has one scene where a woman overpowers a man which is IMPOSSIBLE". These anti DEI grifter channels are drowning out traditional film fan channels and whenever you venture into the comments to chat about a movie with fellow film fans someone will eventually call it woke or something. Not sure what can be done to put the sauce back in the bottle, but I've seen some active pushback from other youtubers calling out the grift, which gives me some hope.
I find it immensely ironic that a channel which I have watched for years decrying ‘poor creative choices’ or ‘disrespecting the fans’ as reason why a film doesn’t do well and deserves ire for its output, should now sit there pretending that it’s other toxic fandoms and individuals that are to blame for poor films and failed projects. Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one but they don’t need airing all the time. The WhatCulture opinion list have been ridiculing films (often rightly) for years. Sometimes it’s difficult to see when you are part of the problem you hate.
Nope, no no no, don't buy it no....
More people are watching movies than ever, more money is being spent on them and to go watch them... And no one has figured out a good solid way to even track streaming and online watches which is huge.... I don't want to hear about how movies have gotten terrible...
Yes, there is a lot of toxic fandom because a lot of people have grown up super into movies, it is its own culture and subcultures now and with the internet people have the ability to speak to large groups of people and form their own communities. So yes, you have a lot of dumb toxic people saying crap and then you have people that are not used to this listening to them and letting them steer their artistic ventures.... That is not all movies or every movie or the industry as a whole going forward and it's ridiculous to say so 🤬
Movies should be aware of the ire of fans who want things done correctly but shouldnt cater to incels who just hate anything female driven or featuring gay characters. It's about things being organic and fitting.
Curious question, did the minority characters in Mandolorian get the same amount of online hate as given to Acolyte? There were plenty of non-white non-male characters in both shows, heck, some were blue. Just thinking if the show is actually good, do the bigot become quieter. PS Art should be Risky, but should entertainment? Is your ideas more valuable than the enjoyment of your audience?
I cannot wait for in 5 years time when this still doesn't work, seeing the complete opposite go in to play where studios just cut focus groups and take creative control.... Netflix funding a animated movie of hell followed with us (which focuses on lgbtq+ and neurodiversity in its themes) is a fantastic start. And the adaptation of iron widow will hopefully make huge smashes against just playing it safe for bigots
This started with Phantom Menace (though you could go all the way back to casting Michael Keaton as Batman), but the real turning point was WB and Man of Steel. They listened to the worst people, even though the movie made a ton of money, pushed ideas that wouldn't work, then fired Zack Snyder at his lowest point. The worst fans were rewarded for screaming the loudest -- and the fans learned that they could bully studios. It's been downhill since.
micheal keaton wasnt bad as the first batman compared to some other miscasts he nailed both the bruce and batman side of the charater
@@ksmeltekopfulshe means that when he was was first cast people were in uproar about it, sending letters to the studio demanding they recast him. It was only when the movie came out that fans accepted they were wrong.
Do you only watch super hero movies?
I utterly agree with you about the timing of firing Zack Snyder. They should have fired him years earlier. I am not upset about the dark versions of the characters - I don't like them, but I can live with that. But Snyder kept trying to shove three film's worth of plot into each film and not understanding that the studio won't release a six hour film.
This is, I am sorry, an idiotic take. Studios are letting the fact that they are doing this to take the heat off them. This idea that fandom is tanking movies just because they are out for blood and that’s why we are going to get bad movies is absolutely false and dumb.
The issue isn’t “super fans”. The issue is people want good movies with our agendas. Why is it when a movie does bad with any agenda, edge or politics in it it’s toxic fans that ruined it. But when a movie comes out without that and it’s bad, oh well it’s just a bad movie. Fans didn’t ruin it. This take is your way to explain aqua bad movies that push an agenda. Just because you might agree with that mindset doesn’t mean the majority of people (super fan or not) are the problem. Studios need to stop making focus groups and stop pushing agenda. Just make good movies.
If someone tells me that is sexsit or homophobia, I am going to loose it. The Acolyte was just trash. Nothing do with a female lead (Mike I point you to route one and Ashoka). House of dragons is just not as good as game of thrones. There are plenty of LGBT characters that have been done well. I am so done with people blaming everyone except themselves for why things aren’t working. This video is infuriating.
Your guys content is generally good, but this garbage ruins things for so many people.
I really wanted to comment on this video but couldn't really articulate what I wanted to say concisely, but this is pretty close. Bravo!
I could see this being a good thing. Invite all of the most toxic fans to a screening. Give them an NDA that says that they cannot tell anybody about this before the screening. Take their phones at the screening. Lock the doors. After about a week the problem is much less.
It’s a lack of respect towards the base material itself and the viewers. No one stops the studios to hire competent writers, passionate guys behind the scenes and fitting actors for their hundred million dollar projects.
Just write good stories, reasonable plot decisions, develop characters, show-don't-tell. DEI, wokeism, etc are only "bad" if the writing is bad. Enemy Mine was about how prejudice is wrong but is a fantastic movie. Hunger Games/Aliens have strong female leads and are fantastic moves. Movies will only get worse if the producers continue to employ bad writers.
Lot of incels in here 😂
Stop. Cuz yall give Venom a pass even though it's significantly worse than alot of the films yall consider "wOkE, dEi, SjW" or whatever other buzzwords yall use for non-straight white male led projects. Yet yall always wanna go scorched earth on THOSE projects.
@kikipocalypse Have you taken your pills? Don't forget your coloring books ok.
@@blove88 because a mediocre film is still better than a movie where the identity politics are the only thing the movie has going for it. If they want you to focus on the diversity it's because they didn't focus on the movie 😂
@@kikipocalypse when in doubt call people names don't argue their points 😂
I blame AVI ARAD for the failure of BORDERLANDS
why it was a bad movie from the start
Has absolutely nothing to do with Toxic fandom if they would stop making shite we will pay to see it who cares who owns what franchise if your going to build on a huge fan base you shouldnt piss off more than half your fandom they will show you what they think with their wallets plain and simple
Seriously? Thats like saying Keith Richards is about to get a lot older 😮
This channel and it’s off shoots seriously fell off recently
Lots of triggered people here justifing clearly toxic behaviour. Sad and delusional. Criticising is one thing, reviewbombing and such is a completely different thing.
Also hollywood should listen to the fans?
Lots of fans were totally against the idea of Michael Keaton as Batman and hated the idea of apparent softie Heath Ledger as Joker. If hollywood would've exclusively listen to the fans we wouldn't have gotten a ton of movies that are called classics today!
Poor Gareth doesn't hardly get to talk.
This is a poor take. im black and you all need to stop trying so hard. its okay to not like someone even if they are black, a woman or a small group. Just because they are isn't WHY people dislike it and just because they are DOESNT mean they get a free pass. relax. this video is a terrible take.
Spoken like a broke Trump voter 😂
@@matthemming9105 Not a Trump voter and I still think your retort is garbage.
@@Paul_Simon lol i agree.
These comments along with the video proves where the issues lie. I agree, there are genuinely more bad movies coming out lately and it’s been clear most of these companies are only profit motivated with the goal of the widest audience possible every time, unwillingness to take risks, and be more creative. But for some of you to sit there and pretend like there aren’t also many examples of people loudly trashing films, shows, video games, etc. in extremely bigoted, homophobic, racist, and sexist ways is ignorant at best and harmful at worst. Both things can be true. Both things are true. There absolutely are issues of poor writing, bad acting, nostalgia baiting, and the like more than before. But there is also an equally big issue of hate campaigns and review bombings against any media that just happens to have women, POC, or LGBTQ+ representation as soon as that first trailer drops. It’s not just one or the other and the solutions lie in the middle, dealing with both problems equally. But they both do exist. You can’t dismiss that and pretend every criticism lately is made in good faith.
This just guarantees that I’ll always wait for streaming, even for good movies…
In case of sequal Star Wars trilogy, the key word is trilogy. Unhappy fans didn't cause the Rise of Skywalker being bad, the absence of the plan for all 3 movies is. They clearly didn't have a plan for all 3 movies.
Bad video from Whatculture.
Literally the only thing studios have to do is stop pushing the woke agenda or agendas in general. Let us just enjoy content without having stuff shoved down our throats.
This is a terrible take. I don't agree with the extremes of either side of any fandom but these guys have sided with with one extreme while not looking at all to the normal middle. These guys have read the headlines and decided what's true from just that.
I think the problem is the rise of a certain element that decries anything remotely different in terms of race or sexuality that actually emboldens studios to do the opposite because they don’t want to be seen appeasing bigots. Then the rest of us who legitimately have complaints about how lazy so much writing has become will now be hesitant to criticize it out of concern as being part of this whole anti woke mob. At least that’s how it’s been for me because I have actually worries about the state of film these days but knowing that I’ll be in this same group as these haters makes me just not even bother giving my input.
Toxic fans and other Scapegoats.
Michael Collins cost 25 mil to make and might have made 30 mil over 30 odd years. Not sure what point these guys are trying to make if that's their standard of success.
Those dumb mcu movies and superhero movies in general are to blame. How to people actually like that trash?
This is so disingenuous. Stop being shills. We have a right to want what we want. The customer is always right.
For me, the biggest fandom I'm invested in is Star Wars. And while they make, imo, brain dead choice like retconing Mundi's life span, ultimately that isn't the worse thing for me. For me, the biggest problem with something like Star Wars today isn't the changes, but how there's barely an established canon at all in the Disney Canon. There wasn't much of one in Legends either, but in Legends most of it was spread out over a much larger timeline.
Thanks For this ❤❤❤
It's the 21st Century equivalent of the Hayes Code - this will smooth off all the edge to anything that has a point of view.
While I agree that there is a very vocal minority out there that decries anytime there is a person of color cast in a particular role or there is an LGBTQ role or anything that isn't "white hetero male" orientated, Hollywood has failed us overall. Their reliance on draining every bit of blood from a popular concept (I am looking at you Disney) instead of being pushing the envelope is what is making movies bad right now. We all knew that when Disney bought LucasFilm and then Marvel, that they would make sure they got more than their money back, yet we all act surprised that Disney did so, and did so poorly. And as much as we like to malign Netflix, they at least are willing to push that envelope with their offerings.
wtf 😂
I listened to what you had to say and completely disagree. Poor quality is the problem, my example would be the Obi Wan Kenobi show, The potential for something amazing was there. Moses Ingram was not the problem (and if she was abused then that is awful and unacceptable), it was the script and execution. It was excruciatingly bad and I haven't watched a Star Wars show since. Don't blame the fans, most of us just want something good.
General rule of thumb: if they want you to focus on the identity politics it's because thats all they have going for them. 😂 Stop blaming everything on "waycism" such a weak argument now. You guys literally made the accusation mean so little a dont even turn my head for it
I'm used to hearing you guys all the time but I've never seen you before.
This reminds me of the community episode where Shirley and Pierce are part of a focus group for am American version of inspector space-time. We all know how that panned out 😅
Comments proving you right. Lol
Lol "bigotry racism and sexism" 😂🤣😂🤣😂😂😂 when the demand outpaces the supply
I like your content but this is a bad take. The tiny minority of actually toxic fans aren’t the problem, and they damn sure aren’t why we get nothing but derivative drivel these days. Identifying that as the problem is falling for HWs most stupid and obvious campaign of distraction. The vast majority of us couldn’t care less about the identity of the characters or identity politics period. The problem is that the content is garbage, partly due to creators and execs being put in positions that they just aren’t actually any good at. Make a quality piece of entertainment, and it will be recognized as such. Make trash, and it will also be identified as such. The R card is just tired and lazy, and lets the real issue and people creating it off the hook. HW soliciting the input of their actual audience is not only probably not a bad thing, but just might actually lead to better content from a group of people in a very insulated bubble echo chamber. Poeple like good things and they dislike bad things, it’s really that simple and this identity crap is a smokescreen and a pathetic excuse for subpar output.
Well, wokeness ruined Hollywood, remove the wokeness, and we will have good movies again.
Major incels vibes 😂
Lmao. Triggered much snowflake? Nobody is more sensitive than the average white/male fan of anything. 😂
@@kikipocalypsethe fact he's made you say that.....he's won.....emotional trigger responses are a weakness.
define woke
@@MrBoxing360and believing people should be treated fairly is strength….
Stop making movies for incels and juvenile fantasy wish fulfillment and so many sequels and toxic fandom will disappear!
I hate franchises it doesn't matter to me.
Don’t kid yourself that’s it’s anything other than money
well duh that how you run a bossiness
If cinema goes away
We are FUHED!!!
If I see another superhero movie I'm gonna barf. Please stop already, America.
what wrong with superhero movies
@@jimbo9208Everything.
@@jpd9h2i7 that not an answer stupid
So their idea of dealing with toxic fans is to put toxic fans in charge? It's so dumb, I hate it. We need to IGNORE fans, not give them control. This will not end well, but I feel it will end quickly.
Ignoring fans is exactly why movies are worse
@@ldcg106 no, because fans, collectively, have no idea what they want. Rather than enjoy something, most would rather whine like the spoiled brats they've become. Not to mention the fact their idea would quickly devolve into "we just don't want girls, people of color, or any LGBT in our movie."
The only thing some Star Wars fans love more than Star Wars is hating Star Wars.
movies are not getting worse you just have bad taste just watch movies that interest you and leave the movie you don't like to people who do like them
Lots of soy in this video.
The irony…
The super fans usually are rewarded with goody bags, trips etc.
Rings of Power had groups that talked about representation etc and then after it was all over none of them had watched it.
Toxic fandom is either small and unrepresentative or it is derailing Hollywood, As Hollywood is making both arguments it really is hilarious to pretend that both are true
Personally, I think a lot of fans have become bloodlusted these days, but that's not to say that some of their complaints aren't valid.
100%, the bloodlust is a reaction to the bad writing, casting, and generally poor cinema of recent times, not the cause of it. people are fed up and annoyed that everything is either formulaic, sequels, or a blatant pander to get diversity gold stars. saying everyone who disagrees with this is a toxic fan is ridiculous and just going to polarize the audience more, leading to more backlash.
1. Making big budget movies has become the province of people who were born into wealth. Increasingly, they are the children of people born into the industry or into families that can afford expensive prep schools and six figure college tuition. Growing up rich is terrible for creativity. If you grow up playing with a stick and bundle of keys, your imagination turns them into something else, but this is not something rich kids are forced to do.
2. Bereft of any creative talent, these horrible people stride forth determined to make movies that teach their audience a lesson, like not to be racist or sexist. People will listen to a fable like that for about 5 minutes and then it starts to sound preachy and that’s when they turn on it. This is why Aesop kept his stories very brief.
D.E.I is the start of all this.
Major incels vibes 😂
@@kikipocalypse 'incel' is used by people who don't have a life. I am happily in relationships tqvm.
@@ToledotourbillionYour left hand doesn't count as a relationship.
@jpd9h2i7 Tell that to yourself. I got moves baby that makes me irresistible. So irresistible that I've been stalked before.
@jpd9h2i7 Tell that to yourself baby. I got moves that make me irresistible.
Shite
Just make entertaining videos and stay away from this…you will just alienate a part of your audience