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i usually am okay with skietsi and feel like she gets a lot of hate for being passionate about her hero, but like there were a lot of times where she couldnt come up with a rebuttal, she would completely ignore the question all together or manage to dodge it :/
yeah i feel like she could've done better here however i heard from another comment above that she did that after streaming so shes mightive been tired at that point (i love skietsi but it didnt feel like she was giving it a lot of effort to making logical defenses is all im saying)
She's not even trying to be logical or reasonable, literally taking it all personal and puts herself in a delusion of denying the obvious. Never was a fan of her but this kinda seals the deal.
Well ultimately when someone tells you you don't deserve the rank you have when you worked for it just as hard as everyone else your gonna be mad because every character requires "skill" no character is skilless mercy is usually a high priority elim target on the team I know I have had many coms with people just saying "target the mercy" so flanking is enivitable She needs to live To have value that is why she's high priority she cann bait ults with "fake rezzes"
I think it's funny that it's considered bad or annoying that Mercy players complain about changes to GA, but if we listen to what is being said- this is the only thing she does really. The only thing going for Mercy is movement, rest of her kit is usually underwhelming, so I feel like the rage for GA was kinda justified :'D
This was the best of the series so far for me. I felt a little more tension than usual bc of the topic, but everyone kept it respectful so it was very interesting. Plus, the length and how you rolled through a decent amount of questions made this one feel like it had better pacing. I love these videos tho, thanks for making them!
"mercy mains are sensitive and/or entitled." I think every character has people who are too sensitive about their character. I think for mercy, players are just more vocal about herbcause most of the time people dont want to listen, and you also hear them complaining mire often because mercy gets changed moe often than most other characters
3:40 skietsi wanted to say so badly that mercy is hard to climb on but it’s not because mercy herself is hard to play it’s the fact that she’s much more dependent on her teammates to do well as opposed to herself. She has very little agency over games. It’s just overall a very bad take. Correlation doesn’t always equal causation
@@MagnusMurder even if that’s the case you can’t complain when you’re actively deciding to pick a character with low self impact and is reliant on having competent teammates to get value. Play a character that has more game impact solo if you want to climb
I’m sorry to Ehoot but the reason the genji community doesn’t complain like mercy is because their character has already been needed heavily so most genjis keep him in the back pocket and play other more impactful characters
theres also the fact that regardless of how strong genji is, he had direct counters that can make him damn near unplayable unless youre insane as genji and your team plays around you. the general playerbase doesnt have as much issue with genji. mercy on the other hand will always be a problem because of how easy she is to play, master, and get maximum value out of. She is inherently more difficult to kill because her “counters” require you to have good aim. going winston against genji just has value without needing pure mechanical skill. moira too (im talking about the majority of players, not hight level)
As a Genji main, I can feel my character arc of transitioning into a Cass player coming. You feel so helpless against so many supports, and most dps characters are as skinny as instagram models. It genuinely feels like I can only do something as Genji when my team is at least 80% of the enemy team. (also Cass does well against many of the characters that Genji struggles with)
as a genji player this is def true, but idk why mercy players cant do the same when their character isnt in the meta, like i picked up doom and later echo as well as tracer to widen my hero pool but you barely ever see mercy players going out of their way to learn lucio or brig
@@demifolk8940it’s like when they took away his one shot ability with a headshot melee. It’s pretty damm hard to pull off when you’re doing a lot of movements especially when other characters have one shots that are much easier to execute. They’ve just made him very hard to secure kills especially cause all the healing and other dps numbers have been bumped so hard. Feels like if a character receives one heal sometimes you just can’t secure the kill
They forget that when there's a mercy on someone, it's a 1v2. Why would you expect to win a 1v2? You need a teammate to help to make it 2v2 at least. Mercy's not the problem, it's dumb players who tunnel vision, forgetting they're fighting two players.
great video and i dont want to undermine anything said in the video but i feel like having a big streamer on one side and not one on the other may prevent some people from truly speaking their mind
they didn't have a true mercy hater like me. Though some of these I even agree with the mercy mains, though my issue isn't with players that like mercy's as much as the hero itself.
as a mercy player i get what u mean, if ur talking about the hero, they can never find a way to equally balance her. first having her mega revive ult be nerfed, then having to nerf her GA which made a lot of players mad, and now they nerf her damage boost though thats still not the biggest issue. imagine she got a rework where she's actually playable and balanced, i'd love that.
I really liked this episode honestly. It was fun to watch live too! I wish it could have been longer but UA-cam is a thing and retention and stuff. I love how everyone was able to be pretty respectful with such a heated topic at hand. Can’t wait for more “_____ haters” vs “_____ player” still waiting on the Moira one 🤞🏻🤣
Mercy is only this controversial because she's extremely popular, she's a female support character and her healing doesn't require aiming. If at least one of these 3 factors weren't true, she wouldn't get HALF the hate or love she gets. For comparison moira does have to aim a little but barely and she just doesn't get as much hate because she's not as popular. And probably because at least her heals don't lock on. It's just a mix of everything. Mercy being a relatively low skill floor character, her being a support girlie who's an overwatch icon and sexism especially in the gaming community just existing all make her a hot topic :/
now this, this is exactly what i wanted to say, you worded it so perfectly. though its not completely related, it's sort of similar to this character called Sage in valorant, being one of the only healers in the whole game who's also a girl, as well as having a low skill floor with her 'basic' abilities. and so many people who meet a girl start throwing and getting mad if she doesn't pick a 'healer'
Yeah play the sexism card instead of the obvious that mercy doesn't need anything. She is braindead. If you aren't an idiot, you will put so much value without any skill.
I wont deny that sexism exists, but blaming it all on sexism is not it lol we hate mercy bc she's a boring, non-interactive, braindead easy character with a disproportionate correlation of skil=value.
Moira doesn't get as much hate because she isn't the video game equivalent of a mosquito that heals and resurrects enemies like Mercy is. Blaming it on sexism is completely forgetting how she can be annoying.
id argue that those 3 u mentioned could boop, damage, or mess with the sig enough to keep that ally alive since their heals are mostly passive and sig has a tank hitbox
Brig could definitely keep him alive. I don’t know if people know this but brig heals more than mercy . Brigs inspire procks when you attack an enemy player in any form and heals your team for 15 healing per second in a radius that is more than twice the size of lucios aura. And repair pack heals 50 healing per second for two seconds with an initial burst of 25 healing when applied to a character. That effectively makes repair pack on their own a total of 62.5 healing for 2 seconds and brig has 3 charges (mercy is 55 regularly and 60 in valk.) not to mention that repair pack also stacks with Inspire so you are effectively doing 77.5 healing per second provided that you are procking Inspire and effectively using repair pack which you can do both from a safe distance. That 2nd clip just showed how unwarranted mercy hate is
@@-NoNo. yea I knew that brig healed more than mercy just didn’t know if she would be able to keep that healing going for the entire clip cause of repair cool-down but yea people will slander on mercy for the littlest things
I've always been pretty staunchly on the Mercy main side (though I don't really have a true support "main" and play who I feel fits the map and the comp better more often than not) because the amount of mudslinging at Mercy's in game (especially ones that are female irl) is nonsensical to say the least and people spread falsehoods. No other character and playerbase gets nearly as much vitriol as Mercy mains do. I don't even remember prime BRIG getting this much hate.
I’m sorry but u have to be delusional to think any of that is true. I say this as primarily a support player but they’re always the worst ones on every team when it comes to toxicity. Which is usually all directed at the tank. In this game people think the game is won and lost at tank when in reality they r powerless without supports. I struggle mentally playing that role even though they’re my best characters cause entitled support players usually moiras, mercy’s and lifeweaver now will be quick to type tank diff every time a fight has gone wrong. And hating on mercy’s r u serious. I never get half the love of the mercy on my team when I’m on ana or kiri because they simply can’t tell as much when they’re getting healed. So many times after games I hear mercy u da goat from my whole team as I’m sitting with 75% scope acc 10 enemies slept and 7k Dmg 15k healing. Mercy’s straight up get babied by every one in this game and I still play into it. I pick them up from spawn and thank them for pockets cause I know they think that people r out to get them so whatever effort I show is always rewarded.
@@elitexxguy i noticed that too i always liked lifeweaver but they are always the ones that are quick to say something no matter what it is. same with mercy
@elitexxguy no more delusional than anyone here, it's just my experience. I've run into far more DPS that throw a fit than Mercy's or Weaver's (hardly anyone plays Weaver in my games to begin with) since starting back in 2016.
@@dratterratter I think it’s because those 3 are all really easy to get high healing and low deaths with. So when they r losing even though they have these nice stats they think it has to be the teams fault.
@@elitexxguyFunnily enough I hear this argument a whole lot. I really think this idea of one group getting hate is just false. I play all roles and I get hate on every one equally. I think women get hate more than you’d get hate on any role tbh. I will say tho I rarely see mercy hate unless they’re throwing. I typically see people being pretty chill or even sucking up to them to get pocketed.
In that clip I think the biggest issue is that mercy beam can only be broken through los and the fact that she can’t miss her heal was the issue. On any other support that doesn’t have to aim for heals sigma would’ve killed him through the heals, and on those that need los and to aim he probably would’ve died. As someone who plays Sigma and Winston it is almost impossible to kill someone that is being pocketed by a mercy. She can’t miss, can’t run out, and it’s a constant stream of heals. Also to Skietsi’s point the rock combo wouldn’t have killed cause sigma can’t 2 shot anymore and he was being healed with the beam which would heal through the 2 shot anyway.
Tbh yes, but she barely has any other abilities, that is the one thing that she does, besides rez And rez is very risky If an ana pockets a winston he is literally always unkillable too (she even has more healing)
First question. I agree that mercy is hard to climb with, purely by the fact that mercy requires their team to be better than the other tea without direct damage input from a secondary healer. Mechnically speaking, if you put a gold ana in a bronze start, they'll shoot their way out pretty quickly. While a mercy is stuck trying to enable players who represent Anakin from the "Anakin I have the high ground" meme.
YESS this is what i mean! one game, me (mercy) and another support were constantly being dove, and our entire team would just run off and leave us to die to the flanking doomfist, and we ended up losing. trust me, we tried to enable our team, i even healed the tank more than i usually do, but both of us kept constantly dying, leaving the rest of the team with no heals. but then, i met this person who looked out for me, they would wait for me and taxi me, as well as help when im being dove. i feel like dps/tank players who have experience with support are most likely to be this kind of person, because i main support but whenever i play any other role my first priority is checking if my supports are alrighjt
skietsi bringing up ml7 hitting gm w mercy taking the longest doesnt really make sense to me. that doesnt necessarily mean mercys hard to play, it more so means shes hard to carry on which is true! in my opinion as a former mercy main, she’s one of the easiest characters to pick up and play but has a high skill ceiling
His argument: The team had to spend resources to secure a kill which is made meaningless by a rez behind a wall to which they tried to stop by giving more resources but was made pointless because she was behind a wall Mercy argument: Just don't do that Like... what
She gave more arguments than just that though lol including the fact the mercy was in valk, had line of sight originally and also there’s a gap anyway, include all her arguments not just that
The argument boils down to Mercy using her entire kit AND the environment to pull the Rez off, while other characters can invalidate it with one shot/ability. If Mercy had any other way to improve her Rez success rate, then hiding behind walls wouldn't be as necessary. Blame Blizz for giving it a sluggish 2 second cast time while Mercy uses an ult that encourages mobility.
@@inplane9970The way I see it, is that Blizzard needs to have a size limit on what’s considered LOS, instead of just to the center of an object, and that Rez should require partial LOS to the whole orb (let’s say 33% of the orb needs to be visible to the mercy throughout) so that around the corner rezes where her team can help are viable, but rezes where she’s invulnerable because she’s fully behind a wall after initiating the rez is just unfair.
@@inplane9970The size limit thing would apply for other abilities too, and ultimates instead of the id point being the single LOS check. Would stop DVa bomb from killing through tiny gaps, but also allow the bomb to kill people who just can’t see its ID point.
Its a bad decision to try and use abilities to stop something you obviously cant stop. Its not that hard to figure out. The players literally saw that Mercy is behind a wall and decided to start using abilities that can't do anything to get her there. Then the mercy hater got mad that they wasted resources... It was just a bad play. If you can't understand that simple concept then you can't understand what is right for the balance of the game.
I really enjoyed the vid and I mostly agreed with skiesti even as someone who dislikes mercy as a whole, but when they did the Rez behind a wall clip she kinda dodged the is it fair question and just said that’s how the ability works and stuck to that, felt like cope in my personal opinion
bruh i read the comments before watching the full video and i thought skiesti is gonna be like outrageous or something but no she's really tame and respectful in this video idk wat these comments are on about 😭
Most comes from the first clip where she straight up just dont give a fuck about the othersides points despite them being more in the right in terms of making the game more fun. But i agree the comments made it seem way worse
Man I was disappointed with the lack of hair snatching or even debates. You’d think they would have a field day with Skiesti with them being haters and all. They sound like they dislike her rather than HATE her.
7:45 honestly this wasn’t very surprising to me because if you genuinely look at mercy and mercy players, the ones that are boosted will fall in rank dramatically and there is only a certain amount of elo that you can get with boosting a mercy before the climb is completely haulted by the sheer amount of skill required to play mercy effectively at a high level. Are there boosted mercy players? I think I’ve only ever met 2 and even they were boosted to at max diamond. Mercy just requires too much to be boosted to ranks like Gm and top 500. The mercy player themselves have to be good and then at that point it’s not boosting anymore.
exactly. and i dont know if its a skill issue for me, but climbing w mercy is hard in solo queue. dont get me wrong, being with a duo dps, even tank, and them looking out for you really helps and thats what makes me win. what doesnt is the teammates that are toxic, blame the supports and leave us behind as we die to a flanking genji. i rarely ever play solo queue, sometimes i've met wonderful teammates during comp games...though that's like 5% of the time.
@@CynoRules I couldn't care less if she is passionate or not or about her gender. She is entitled, or at least was until she stopped playing mercy and started maining moira and hiding her elo screens. Entitlement and not having an open mind was her problems and plus it doesn't matter if people are more entitled than her lmao? That doesn't take away her own entitlement? Lol.
Strictly question for the rez clip, can't you shoot through those small gaps in the railing on that map? So then wouldn't the rez technically have los at that point?
Ive got a bit of a hot take about mercy. Idc if she has 100 hps and doubles your damage with damage boost, her guardian angel is what made her fun to play and the only reason i mained her. I havnt really enjoyed playing her especially after her last changes and I've barely played her. As far as im concerned just balance her in whatever way is neccecary to give her back ga in the same state it was in in season 1 and 2 idc how much you have to nerf her damage boost, rez, or healing.
I had the same sentiment about the first version of her ult in OW1 (mass rez). It was such a big dopamine hit when landing 5 men rez that nothing in the game came even close. After they removed it, I tried to keep playing, but with each consecutive nerf they just made her less and less fun to play, so I ended up quitting. That's until OW2 came and they changed GA to make her 10x more fun than what she was at the end of OW1. I don't like having to wait 2 seconds for GA and wish they didn't increase the cooldown, but it's still leagues better than the garbage she was in OW1 post mass rez.
This is what I dont understand, if other people are complaining about mercy and how her abilities are not fun to play against, the mercy players just tell them to go play a different game then. But.. if mercy were to receive a nerf, even a small nerf, then of course they want their character to be buffed and they wont learn a new character or play a different game like they were just telling other people to do.
Yeah that was probably the most annoying take in this video. If enough people agree something needs to be done sometimes the character really just isnt balanced properly.
It's because the Mercy players don't shove it in people's faces. So many people complain about Mercy, but despite the changes, we still play Mercy. We may complain, but it's not as loud as the people complaining about Mercy. A lot of people are so anti-Mercy that Mercy players get shit on for existing.
mercy is getting her second nerf and i don't see a single person complaining 🤷🏻♀️ and the movement nerf was absolutely nonsensical and people calling it out is justified
@@PurpleMoon799 unfortunately I do know a lot of people that are upset about the damage boost nerf. My friend is on twitter and he simply was agreeing with the nerf and he got people even telling him to kill himself because he was saying how mercy should be nerfed. And the thing with GA is that it shouldnt be untouchable, just because something is a part of their kit doesnt mean that it shouldnt be changed. A lot of heroes have received reworks if the hero had an issue. With some mercy's being able to stay off the ground almost forever, it is really hard for people to be able to kill her with her movement abilities. It can feel very frustrating to play against.
@@breem1924 obviously some people will be upset and yes theres some toxic people but trying to paint all of us as toxic is wrong. also staying in the air for so long as mercy is not a good idea at all and she can still do that with the 3 min cooldown. that change just made her clunky it has nothing to do with a fair rework.
In the Sigma clip if you add the hp he was getting mercy +cart+ biotic field it all equals around 105 hp/s if the clip was pre season 6 if not then it is 110hp/s post season six patch
I mean yeah, if she can’t have that protection then what’s the point of res. That’s like saying remove walls because Widowmaker can hide behind them 🤷♂️
Because she’s right. Also, u position to rez behind a wall. U still have to get los. Good mercys usually just super jump rez/ super jump rez behind wall with los and or Valk rez behind wall/ spins with los. Y’all make it seem like they rez the soul directly behind the wall without line of sight. There’s a max distance to rez so if they position right, They should be able to do it; it shouldn’t be taken away. Like why do y’all want her skill expressions mechanics to be taken away? Not everyone can do it.
@@blade_1482 Also mentioning that hiding behind a wall is Rez's *only* skill expression. Mercy literally cannot control how Rez functions in any substantial capacity aside from doing it out of LoS. It's arguably the worst ability to play with because no other ability in the game hinders movement like Rez does. Rez needs a rework in some capacity because it's embarrassing how Blizz allowed such a sluggish ability to remain in the game for 6 years.
@@inplane9970 I kinda agree but Well mercy’s skill expression comes from mostly her movement so if u combine that with her other abilities they yeah its skill expressions. Super jump rez, spin rez techs, etc are skill expressions towards her movement. The only thing is that I have Been playing this game since Mercys mass/ fast rez days so it blows my mind that ppl complain about current rez when it’s literally the most vulnerable ability in the game and her hitbox is increase 2x while doing it. Rezing without movement techs is mostly just having game sense, so knowing los rez breaks, distance, and time to reposition again after, etc.
@@blade_1482 Oh yea definitely. GA is a huge part of Mercy, but it's being nerfed anyways and being limited more and more. I don't think people realize how nerfs actually reduce skill expression because less options means less proactivity during gameplay. I'm still on the side of, "Superjump should've remained a hidden tech." I barely even saw Mercy players ask for Superjump to have built-in indicators and an easier control scheme. The whole satisfaction of it was mastering its movement. I've been playing Mercy since Season 1 of OW1 and been through every iteration of Mercy. Literally all they need to do is make Rez a charged ability again. Doesn't have to be the ult, but on its own resource/locked behind Valk/whatever. A big part of why Mercy became an issue is because she gets free value every 30 seconds. Doesn't matter how good or poorly she plays, she just gets Rez every 30 seconds. Having the potential to change the tide of a game on a flat cooldown is impossible to balance no matter how many things get nerfed.
On the topic of mercy mains being sensitive: her rework all the back in OW1 were they removed her mass rez and how badly that situation was handled (made worse by blizzard not helping) is why so players are defensives with her. I think it's no different when streamers over react when Brig gets a buff and they scream that we are going to be in a goats meta again.
@@thywhiskey725 Other supports deserve just as much hate with their busted kits. Everyone screaming that Mercy players are dramatic, sensitive, delusional, and unhinged when they complain about their character getting nerfs (no matter the claim), yet people will complain and act equally as dramatic about other heroes when they are nerfed and they do not receive the same hate. The adjectives I gave as examples are the same ones used against women in a misogynistic way to suggest that women are incapable of reason.
@@commentbot9510 Hell yeah they deserve hate, this is just a mercy video so I didnt comment about other supps HAHA. Mercy twitter mafia is something else though. Only thing comparable is like widow mains.
how is res not an issue, you can res someone that died (by positioning poorly) before the fight even started, then res them again in the middle of a fight, giving your teammate practically 3 lives for 1 fight
@@bananamonkeygaming14 I could see this side for lower ranks. While climbing I've noticed that the team fights get significantly shorter as you climb and people are able to consistently secure kills, and there's more target focus than in lower ranks. I think its very difficult to balance mercy because each rank has its own difficulties. For example, GA needs to be strong for higher ranks since mechanical game play and target priority increases, but it's too strong in lower ranks where mechanical skill and communication is lacking.
as a mercy main, i love my fellow ana players. it's like ana and kiri players understand mercy the most and are my favourite to duo with. and now i should add illari to the list, the games i've had with her were so fun because damage boosting her ult as she flies in the sky is amazing to me 😭 when i dont play mercy and my other support does, the moment they switch to moira.....
For the second clip example with mercy out healing I would like to add that it’s not only mercy that can out heal other peoples damage because I’ve had many times where I go battle or I’m dps and there’s a lifeweaver or Moira out healing my damage. (Stance disagree)
I feel like mercy kind of unhealthy for the game, just buff her movement and nerf damage boost and she'd be fine for the most part. Rez should be LOS based like basically everything else in this game?? Being able to revive a teammate and completely change the tide of the game seems,, unfair? You can still use cover depending on where your teammate died or maybe communicate with your tank to shield you from dmg. Just my take though.
Good point on the first part; nerfing DMG boost and reverting the GA nerf (thank you). But you do know, that Rez is los? You can't start a rez without los. Lingering is a thing in this game and won't go away.
I personally think if Rez have to stay ,there is something have to change for the Rez target like only have 75% hp and no Armor no shield. That would be more fair since the main problem rn is able to Rez a tank
@@owenlee7146that's actually a good idea. it'll also force her to stay with her rez target to heal them instead of running away leaving her more vulnerable.
Explain how in overwatch this is a problem but in TF2 with medic this isn’t a problem what so ever and I would say Uber is more impact then damage boost and rez
Many of the games I’ve been in are mercy mains being toxic to the enemy supports. I get focused on by the enemy mercy and then tbagged when I do play mercy. After going through this many times I just decided to stop playing her. I have noticed though that if you play baptiste it’s like you’re completely invisible to them. Jokes aside, I respect mercy mains for healing well, but to those mains who are just complete assholes please stop lol
I honestly really liked the points the reapers brought up, and they were composed as they brought it up. I think their problems are more with mercy the character, not the players. Something’s I was able to detest, but other criticisms made me think about her kit in general. And gotta love Ghost :)
i feel like mercy is one of the easiest supports to play but also one of the hardest to learn, because her movement is so complex she cant just "ok now shoot dmg at enemy and shoot heal at teammate" unlike many supports her abilities arent so direct like for example with many supports such as baps immortality field what you need to pay attention for is getting the right timing but what to do with it and how it works is very straight forward, as a mercy main i can play any support okay-ish (ofcourse im not good at them, only okay, because im unused to their ability timings and positions to play in) even on the first try because if you read their ability descriptions you already know how to use it or what to do with it, all you really need to master is timing, however for mercy her abilities are very complex and crutial and even in low ranks although there is usually way less pressure on lower ranks on them, usually inability to understand the aspects of her abilities, positions, and timing can cost you the game (although ofc its the same with all supports, with mercy it's the most crutial part of her character) and although her abilities are quite straight forward as to what they are, learning ga's movements and positionings is very hard and revive can quite literally win games for you or loose games for you so the pressure on being able to understand revive positions, mobility and so on is really important. all supports have to focus on positioning and timing, but for mercy those are her main aspects and without knowing it you're basically useless in a game however, once you learn mercy properly, depending on your rank and the enemy team it can either be really easy or really hard, sometimes ur getting hardcore targetted and dived and no one is peeling for you, and you have to get movements exact and do your best trying to survive, but sometimes you can just stand there in the backline behind a wall and put a beam on someone - however i've also noticed that lately there is a lot of toxicity around mercy, even in quick play games i see people getting told to kts for picking mercy just because there is a new tiktok trend about hating mercy because she requires no skill (which is very much untrue because often times she requires more skill then other supports, just not in the same way such as aim) and because of this nowadays i cant complete a single quick play game even without getting hardcore targetted all game and getting ignored by my team simply for picking mercy also many people who dont play mercy dont understand her well enough to be complaining about her, for example a few games ago i played a quick play push game where our tank kept diving into the other teams backline and going behind buildings and walls with completely no LOS of either of the supports, and then screamed at me in vc and told me to kms for not healing while i was in the backline of our team and there were not only 2 buildings, but the entire enemy team between us - also the tank screamed at me to revive when 1, i was the only one alive on the entire team, 2, had no way of reaching their soul, 3, was on low hp and being chased by the enemy team - sometimes people who dont understand mercy at all expect her to just magically be able to do anything because shes "so easy to play" and "requires no skill" then get completely toxic over things that are not at all their fault
I'm surprised the mercy's didn't bite the bullet on LOS for res. The counterplay to res is your vulnerable and once you remove that it's absolutely an issue. Sure you can call it skill but I'm pretty sure the same amount of skill went into killing them in the first place where counterplay was an option. Damage boost seems fine if they put a cap on the characters with important breakpoints until mercy is in valk. I'd also say that tanks should take longer to res or be rezzed at half hp because it doesn't make sense for it to share the same cast time
im a male mercy main and iv talked in coms and littarly was told by some dude to leave mercy to the chicks,if i dont talked ill get flamed hard cuz they think im a girl
God I hate the without damage boost or Rez mercy will be useless argument. Do you think they’re just going to remove the most impactful parts of her kit and give her nothing in return. It’s like all the people saying we shouldn’t remove one-shot from widow or hanzo cause they’ll be useless. If we’re going to remove the whole point of the character they just need to be reworked.
I agree that they would give her something in return but that’s the thing- no one talks about that. The discussion is always “remove damage boost/ Rez” “she won’t have anything then” “…” Like people never follow up with what they would like to replace it with. Personally if I were to replace damage boost I would make it instead a damage mitigation BUT it increases the longer that beam is active to a max of 1-13% percent. As soon as the beam switches off or switches to heal it resets back to 1% and it takes a good couple of seconds to get back to max. Next I would nerf her healing a bit to compensate for the previous change. Making the play style being “damage mitigate until they are low- switch to heal BUT these heals aren’t out pacing the damage so it’s up to the DPS being pocketed to actually take cover at that point to get topped off. If they try to face tank they will die as neither beam can help them without taking cover.” Im going to talk about a rez rework first then I’ll talk about if we removed it entirely for something else. Rez… if I were to cater to the “you should need constant Los for it” crowd- to adjust to that change I would keep the cast time but when she is casting she gets 3% damage mitigation on HERSELF. Maybe a little more maybe less. But I want her be SLIGHTLY tank-y while only when I’m rez. This will make up for being in the constant Los of the enemy and still have the chance of the rez success. But the team can still gun her down- and if you missed to many shots (understandable because you probably flicked to get to her so you adjusting your aim might have cause a few misses) and the rez got off- she is now at very low health and her rez defense buff is gone. Punish her for failing to plan an escape route. then you can still gun down the rez person as they have no support to save them unless liveweaver grabs them. I think this rez rework would be a good compromise. BUT if you just want to nuke rez and replace it with something else, I would replace it with something I’ll call “angels wings” name can be workshoped. What it does is that Mercy uses her wings to protect a team mate like a protective bird. You can have it act like a shield but with very small HP (like 150hp) or it can be like Ram block but you can only have it up for a second or two before it goes on cooldown. The point being it’s very brief and it’s a sign for the teammate to leave to get better healed behind cover but it still leaves room for the DPS and the mercy to get punished. If the mercy doesn’t plan an escape route she gets deleted or severely injured and can’t do anything risky like that until she is healed. The DPS gets punished for not knowing fights they can’t win and fall back- or they do know but they positioned so badly that they are so far from good cover that not even mercy can save them. So in a match it would be like “team mate needs help getting to cover- they are taking too much damage. Mercy GAs to them and uses this angel wing ability. It essentially makes a pocket of cover for the team mate at the mercy’s expense. The ability goes on cool down and the team mate peaks from the cover they now have to help the mercy GA out of there.” If you implemented both replacements abilities mercy would be a defensive off healer. She has more mobility than brig but is much more fragile. She could be useful in more aggressive dive comps in that if the teammate needs to fall back towards the main healer in a safer position after a dive Mercy can help them make it back- BUT they will die if they dived in a dumb way that the enemy can punish them for. She can help people survive if they actually try to play smart and survive. But she can’t Rez them- she can’t put heal face tanking- she will die if you refuse to use cover. This change would make her even harder to use in low ranks as everyone is bad at positioning and falling back (though the low rank aim might help the mercy a bit) but in high ranks she would be a situational pick that would be challenging but fair to make her efforts useless.
Holy shit...Skesti lost her shit....that's so obvious the way the video clips like straight onto her during the Rez section. Throughout the video you can see Chrstine being fair sweeping across the room, but to immediately jump to the other side of the room to a player who is suddenly talking fast meant....something went down.
If you feel “forced” to play mercy, grow a backbone and don’t play mercy. Find a pharah or okay who doesn’t beg the supports for a mercy. If you’re a steamer and you’re known for playing mercy, people in your games are gonna want you to play mercy. It’s like seeing Proper play Cassidy and asking him to go Sojourn…
Forrreaaal. I rolled my eyes at that statement. Like really? If you feel forced to have to play any character. That's a you issue and you need to grow tf up and stand up for yourself. No one's holding any weapons to you telling you to play mercy or they'll gut your family or some shit. This is why people call these kinds of mercy mains entitled and annoying.
While I’m on #teamreworkmercy, I just really dislike mercy haters (in general, not anyone in this video) more cuz I see their complaints more than mercy mains honestly and it just all feels like “oh the game isn’t catered to me boohoo” lmao.
for me, the people who hate mercy's character for a good reason? understandable. though the people who hate her because of biases, or something personal? like, what are you even doing
For me mercy mains sounds like hog mains in season two. Only emotions and "just kill mercy" (like "bad positioning" from hogs). I dont say she is broken like him, but she create problems in all ranks, its fact - her abilities unhealthy for game. And "just kill mercy" dont work when she enable pharah - charachter that disable 10 out of 17 dps heroes, left you 1 tank and 2 supports, its not fun. Personally i love mercy mains. They almost always friendly, wave, emote, spam "piece of cake", glock enemies, i like it. But i hate playing against even decent mercy - its just not fun.
@@hiikkachu I think “fun” shouldn’t be a measuring stick on balancing a character. That’s very subjective. Mercy’s weird because the community jumps from “she’s too oppressive” to “she’s useless, switch”. It’s not even a constant thing where a Phar-Mercy dominates. You still need a decent Pharah, and a decent Mercy. That’s 2 players cooperating. It’s not really fact that her abilities are unhealthy when she herself is defenseless, that’s why her movement is the #1 thing to learn on mercy. You get 3 or less rezzes every game, and that’s only ever behind cover, I partially agree about damage boost, so I don’t mind nerfing it but keep in mind that that is her main form of contributing to damage. Pull out a pistol and everyone else complains. I don’t mind them replacing both rez and damage boost but it’s wrong to base that on something subjective like how fun it is to play against.
@@hiikkachu Regardless of if they change her, learn how to play against a mercy. Play a hitscan hero or play a flanker, expect and bait out cooldowns (they already nerfed GA), make her rez and kill her. Yknow, like expecting and baiting out suzus, lamp, bubble, or any other cooldown. Obviously easier said than done, but it’s not as impossible as people make it out to be. Mercy mains can be loud about these things about their hero but Mercy haters are just as loud, if not louder. The devs said they were happy about where Mercy was, yet due to outcry, they nerfed her dmg boost. That’s a fact. When people put their personal biases in, call Mercy mains “Mercy Mafia”, make fun of them, meme about them, and call them victims, it doesn’t seem like Mercy mains are the only problem in this community.
@@tris_redfield And you prove my point. "Play a hitscan" is not solution because it cut half heroes. Dont ever play sym, mei, rein or brig because mercy exists? Its not ok. But u can say "its not cod, its moba, u cry because u need counterpeek". I agree counterpeek exist in ow, but it is about having advantage, not "only way". U still can play genji against sym or moira, dva against zarya etc, but it will be harder. Dont u think if only solution is cut more than half heroes its not "balanced"? Bait 2s cooldown? Just bait discord orb and suzu it, problem solved? Problem is not her movement or rez or dmg boost, problem is its on one character. Zen have same boost (even better) but in what price? He is literally easiest hero to elim. Ana have sleep and nade in same way - she have no mobility. And what about t500 hitscans? They strugle eliming mercy too, its skill issue? For t500 mercy "ok" stats is 0-2 deaths whole game. And still she have powerful tools. Its not healthy. She's not op, but its not healthy for game. And i totally agree here (exept "devs happy", cause devs happy with matchmaking, comp system and monetization, but community still hate it). Loud people mostly not so smart. And yeah, there is mercys who biased and annoying and blahblah (like people in other communities wow). But they dont deserve that hate, no one deserve it. I understand when people mad about her abilities, but its just too much, its just mysoginistic shitshtorm that worse than "unhealthy abilities".
I personally think mercys movement should be buffed and damage boost severely nerfed. Bring back some of the skill expression and take out blue beam afk simulator. Mercy used to be one of my most played supports but not because I enjoyed playing her. For a while in ow1 she was just a must pick in every game and the team without a mercy always lost. Mercy is balanced better today than back then but it still feels a bit too easy to get value out of her kit. As for skieski all I wanna say is Im not personally a fan. I watched her content for a couple weeks and she just rubs me the wrong way. It always seems like she is in defensive mode and ready to bite. Maybe Ive just gotten the wrong impression but thats just what I felt watching her content. It just doesn't seem like she enjoys the game or the community. And like she takes too many things personally.
1.as long as u don't healbot ur doing ur job 2.it's random 3.there do be a lot of boosted mercies 4.mercy mains are the first ones to scream after nerfs 5.dmg boost is definitly broken but res has counterplay 6.yeah mercy should be in los in the res target 7.it's just a guy running after a running soldier the health should go back to normall tho 8.if he hit the soldier bro would be ded
I don't hate mercy. I hate toxic mercy mains who act like they can never be or do wrong That said, I enjoy playing mercy when utterly stoned and just wanting to vibe and help a friend out
with the people who agreed to the "rez and/or damage boost are unhealthy for the game" statement, thats the point of her kit.. the reason she has such particular and op abilities is because thats practically ALL shes got. shes not a middleground like most other heros. shes got an OP kit, but nothing else. thats how she works. lol
It all boils down to this, should healing outpace damage and are you ok that healing outpaces damage. I think people don't realize how healing can be so broken, granted it isn't impactful to the eyes but in a rpg/dnd/moba setting if you have that one character who only heals and never dies who can rez, you can clearly see a picture on why mercy is seen so strong. (have any of you played a rpg game and just spec on pure healing on one character its so broken and dumb just having one character heal your whole party, practicly breaks the game so they start doing oneshots to your team just to have a chance to beat you) I think the problem of overwatch is that there is so much healing and not alot mitigation, i don't think its fair for the enemy to insta kill you but i don't think its also fair that team can't die, you get 2 dynamics of the same problem where you either burst die or are immortal and can stall indefinitly. For me healing should never pass the threshold of damage, the only expection i will allow it is withing a matter of secs and at a cost of something thats -2, or more based on effectiveness and time, bullets and resource are plentiful and their isn't much cooldowns when healing only the amount you recieve, this is an issue when dealing with people who have a lower accuracy, for example the sigma, i think it becomes unreasonable to say that he should land all of his shots(because they are comparing their own expierence and expecting him to do the same when in reality he is just a lower ranking player fighting a similiar ranked player at a lower setting), the situation he is in doesn't matter but the effect of a sigma landing 80% of his shots only to be negated by a pocket is whats the issue they are missing the point that, he missed a combo and made a slight mistake so in turn mercy should indeed have wasted resources but its not the case, she is doing this passivly, granted it was a ult, but the ult initself is the problem, her healing output broke the threshold out at a cost of no resource, she only looses cd but she isn't put in danger or risk of anykind she gains flight and can heal+dmg boost onto multiple targets in a long period of time at no risk, to me thats like +5 at no cost of anything. I think it would be fairer that her kit revolves more on mitigating damage then flat out healing. you will still die but at a much slower pace. This inturn doesn't negate sigmas damage but only delays his death, soldier was just being healed back to full in a matter of secs, meanwhile mercy is up in the air zooming at mach speed, for anyone at a lower rank now you are expected to land 100% of shots or it won't matter the effect oryou could wait it out that could take about 15 secs , beat and transcendence are more balanced as they yes burst heal but only for about 5 secs which is more then enough to block one massive attack not a consecutive set of attacks. Now on the topic about climbing i think it all comes down to skillsets, for example just becuase you have the skillset to be a highranking player, doesn't mean you are good at reading the team players skillset its a skill that not many high ranking players practice/posses they are good at looking at themselves but that doesn't translate understanding the limitations of others, mercy gameplay is reading your teammates streangths and amplifing that, other supports can just bypass that by simplifing the situation and ease the situation, they don't enable their teammates, they just create a situation favorable for their team and thats the biggest distinction to make when playing mercy. The techs of mercy i can't judge persay, but overall i think it is comparitivly easier then other heroes. Rez being out of los has happened more often then people will realize it, its only later notice when you get to showcase it but it is more common then what people would like to believe. I think it would be more interesting to see if the comunity would look at any of their match history you are bound to find one if you are looking for it but comes unnoticed. This isn't to say i hate mercy players as i don't mind them they have a unqiue playstyle and i hope they realise how improve her design that doesn't revolve around healing but introducing a more healthier mechanic.
Finally someone has said it as someone who mains echo the breakpoints are so fine on that hero that any amount of healing they receive can seriously mean life or death when going for beams and by far mercy is the worst with it simply because there is no resource or aim attached to it. With every other heal source especially non supports there is a lot of counterplay like simply just waiting out that source. With a mercy it’s just pray I get an anti from my ana or I have to kill the mercy which is really difficult on echo sometimes because she’ll just fly out your beam every time. Damage boost isn’t even an issue in most 1v1s a pocketed Ashe or cass still takes the same shots to kill as one without a pocket. But half a second of mercy’s healing now ashe can’t kill with a scoped headshot unscoped head or scoped head body shot. And when u r on the side of the dps that can’t get this consistent source of healing u will always be frustrated
This is a dumb take because Mercy isn't even a main healer. She isn't known for chucking heals, she's known for damage boosting. You must not have witnessed a good Ana or Bap.
@@SchweetCookie she’s not a main healer cause her heals aren’t good for tanks. But she by far and u can’t argue this has the best heals for dps cause she doesn’t have to aim or reload ever and dps are much harder to hit thank tanks. So u basically need 3 people focus firing someone on a mercy pocket to die if u can’t get the mercy first
@@SchweetCookie The discussion im giving is that healing in general is strong you can name any support and my point can still stand, its all about if you are fine with outhealing damage, to me healing should never make you immortal in general, assuming my knowledge/expierence to invalidate my point isn't a person a ready for discussion, i can see that you are fine that healing is fine, or accustom to one view point on how healing works, mercy in general i have no qualms like i stated before i think ga can be reworked to something more effective but right now the takes ive seen from mercy player aren't ready for discussion on balance. At high level of play her damage boost becomes valued thats one side, but what about lower ranks, their accuracy isn't consistent enough for mercy damage boost to be effective, but her healing can defintly compensate on the low incoming damaged, do you think its fair for a lower consistent player to 100% land all the shots just to kill that pocket.
As a casual mostly-support-player I would agree that healing is too powerful in this game. I played Paladins a bit and I like how characters are designed there. Everyone has movement ability and everyone has out of combat health regeneration mechanic (you may want to see Zanbot's "The Case For Universal Health Regeneration" on YT that covers it further for OW) and anti-healing items you can buy during a match. Supports there are real supports and not those healbots they are in Overwatch. If everyone had access to OOC healing, DPS players would be more likely to stay behind cover and support player would not need to pump out a ton of healing that is mostly available at all times to keep everyone alive. Maybe they could introduce healing abilities with cooldowns and with various amount of health regeneration as well as adding more utility or interesting mechanics to existing supports and other roles without disrupting the balance. As it is right now supports in this game have monopoly on healing and its why hero design becomes repetitive at times and supports are heavily healing-oriented.
17:41 yeah he is correct Mercy does provide the means to get higher DMG where it certainly changes the flow of the game BUT you have to consider that it’s basically a 5v4 at this point! It’s not that scary unless it’s a godly widow or Hanzo that gets boosted and instantly deletes you! Still though it’s not easy to win in a 4v5. Not saying that DMG boost isn’t powerful but there is a Drawback. It’s STILL 4v5 25:37 Mercy did not outheal! There was also the soldier‘s heal field! That was just good use of hero abilities! It’s also stupid to kill a character who is getting heal from Mercy
Sigma missed his shots AND mercy used her ULT AND sigma was down his rock. It was a skill issue. But it’s understandable tho poor sigma is a poke tank. Not a brawl tank
as a mercy player in the lower ranks i will say i either get shit talked or praised for my gameplay (the latter usually when i pocket a dps who proceeds to pop off)
It's crazy to see all these players disagree on the take that most mercy players are boosted. It's as if they need to see the irrefutable thousands of dms myself and other high elo players receive from mercy one tricks asking or begging to be boosted to open their eyes. It's very obvious what goes on in the community when it comes to mercy. Although I can still safely say not EVERY mercy otp is boosted, just that it is EXTREMELY rare to find a mercy otp that genuinely isn't boosted nor has any intention of being boosted. I can excuse the lower ranked dps players for not knowing what goes on in the deep end, but the higher ranked ones I cannot. Also the fact that these players, including Skiesti, are trying to defend their OTP character to the point where they lie to themselves is just delusion. If she knew the community "so well" she would know and acknowledge the truth, not deny it just to save a small portion of the resentment players feel towards mercy.
I didn't even know mercy players are actually being boosted? I thought people just say that because they hate mercy players. I main mercy and all I do is solo queue. And let me tell you, mercy is such a hard hero to climb with when you solo queue. Skiesti was not lying about that
@@reversingmemory Yes mercy does rely on her team more than any other support character, that was probably her only valid argument tbh. But even still, it is not impossible to climb to T500 solo queuing with mercy even if it is more challenging in comparison to other support heroes.
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Reaper representing the hate personified is gold lol
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i usually am okay with skietsi and feel like she gets a lot of hate for being passionate about her hero, but like there were a lot of times where she couldnt come up with a rebuttal, she would completely ignore the question all together or manage to dodge it :/
yeah i feel like she could've done better here
however i heard from another comment above that she did that after streaming so shes mightive been tired at that point
(i love skietsi but it didnt feel like she was giving it a lot of effort to making logical defenses is all im saying)
She's not even trying to be logical or reasonable, literally taking it all personal and puts herself in a delusion of denying the obvious. Never was a fan of her but this kinda seals the deal.
shes just a very entitled person tbh.
@@bagofalmonds1930do you know her personally
Well ultimately when someone tells you you don't deserve the rank you have when you worked for it just as hard as everyone else your gonna be mad because every character requires "skill" no character is skilless mercy is usually a high priority elim target on the team I know I have had many coms with people just saying "target the mercy" so flanking is enivitable
She needs to live
To have value that is why she's high priority she cann bait ults with "fake rezzes"
I can feel Skiesti will rage with the haters’ opinions
NAH CUZ FOR REAL DUDE
She's in the video.
Yeass she's spitting facts love her passion 😂
Not surprised, why she so defensive, not that serious man
Also why is she speaking in gaps 😭😭
skiesti is struggling so badly i can literally feel her frustration LMAO
She knows Mercy is over rewarding and needs a rework.
I think it's funny that it's considered bad or annoying that Mercy players complain about changes to GA, but if we listen to what is being said- this is the only thing she does really. The only thing going for Mercy is movement, rest of her kit is usually underwhelming, so I feel like the rage for GA was kinda justified :'D
Well, she has rez and dmg boost? Those 2 are also really impactful and some of the reasons why most people hate her.
@@pandolam4513yeah he's valid for that
@@pandolam4513but thats the thing, mercy players wouldn't really care if those two got nerfed.. we just want her movement.
@@pandolam4513 remove both and just lemme fly around and glock people more fun then standing behind a wall and damage boosting.
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This was the best of the series so far for me. I felt a little more tension than usual bc of the topic, but everyone kept it respectful so it was very interesting. Plus, the length and how you rolled through a decent amount of questions made this one feel like it had better pacing. I love these videos tho, thanks for making them!
"mercy mains are sensitive and/or entitled." I think every character has people who are too sensitive about their character. I think for mercy, players are just more vocal about herbcause most of the time people dont want to listen, and you also hear them complaining mire often because mercy gets changed moe often than most other characters
"mercy mains are sooo sensitive" meanwhile genji got 1 nerf 5 seasons ago and ppl are still salty about that lol
i still think its misogyny, people think all mercy mains are women so they use the usual sensetive/emotional argument against us.
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@@HONEYMO0N.genji hasn’t been good not even once since. The mercy “nerf” lasted only a season and blizzard bent over for them
@@bsmpobsmpo4946 they nerfed her multiple times, ga, healing etc
Also, didn't genji get a buff recently, like he is playable 💀
3:40 skietsi wanted to say so badly that mercy is hard to climb on but it’s not because mercy herself is hard to play it’s the fact that she’s much more dependent on her teammates to do well as opposed to herself. She has very little agency over games. It’s just overall a very bad take. Correlation doesn’t always equal causation
She understands that... But it doesn't change the fact that she is hard to climb with🤦
@@commentbot9510that wasn’t the prompt tho lol. the prompt asked if mercy is hard to play not if shes hard to climb with
This exactly. Her kit is built entirely around enabling teammates, much more so that any other support. Other than maybe Lifeweaver now, I guess.
@@leanndabb Almost like she was responding to Ghost75 and not the prompt lol
@@MagnusMurder even if that’s the case you can’t complain when you’re actively deciding to pick a character with low self impact and is reliant on having competent teammates to get value. Play a character that has more game impact solo if you want to climb
I’m sorry to Ehoot but the reason the genji community doesn’t complain like mercy is because their character has already been needed heavily so most genjis keep him in the back pocket and play other more impactful characters
theres also the fact that regardless of how strong genji is, he had direct counters that can make him damn near unplayable unless youre insane as genji and your team plays around you. the general playerbase doesnt have as much issue with genji. mercy on the other hand will always be a problem because of how easy she is to play, master, and get maximum value out of. She is inherently more difficult to kill because her “counters” require you to have good aim. going winston against genji just has value without needing pure mechanical skill. moira too (im talking about the majority of players, not hight level)
As a Genji main, I can feel my character arc of transitioning into a Cass player coming. You feel so helpless against so many supports, and most dps characters are as skinny as instagram models. It genuinely feels like I can only do something as Genji when my team is at least 80% of the enemy team.
(also Cass does well against many of the characters that Genji struggles with)
im a genji main but I don't really do this. i usually just skill gap the enemy team, and don't swap unless I'm getting rolled.
as a genji player this is def true, but idk why mercy players cant do the same when their character isnt in the meta, like i picked up doom and later echo as well as tracer to widen my hero pool but you barely ever see mercy players going out of their way to learn lucio or brig
@@demifolk8940it’s like when they took away his one shot ability with a headshot melee. It’s pretty damm hard to pull off when you’re doing a lot of movements especially when other characters have one shots that are much easier to execute. They’ve just made him very hard to secure kills especially cause all the healing and other dps numbers have been bumped so hard. Feels like if a character receives one heal sometimes you just can’t secure the kill
They forget that when there's a mercy on someone, it's a 1v2. Why would you expect to win a 1v2? You need a teammate to help to make it 2v2 at least. Mercy's not the problem, it's dumb players who tunnel vision, forgetting they're fighting two players.
great video and i dont want to undermine anything said in the video but i feel like having a big streamer on one side and not one on the other may prevent some people from truly speaking their mind
Good point! I’ll keep that in mind for next time, thank you!
they didn't have a true mercy hater like me. Though some of these I even agree with the mercy mains, though my issue isn't with players that like mercy's as much as the hero itself.
as a mercy player i get what u mean, if ur talking about the hero, they can never find a way to equally balance her. first having her mega revive ult be nerfed, then having to nerf her GA which made a lot of players mad, and now they nerf her damage boost though thats still not the biggest issue. imagine she got a rework where she's actually playable and balanced, i'd love that.
Omg not the huge twist at the end. That was so cute and wholesome ngl. 😂🤣
I really liked this episode honestly. It was fun to watch live too! I wish it could have been longer but UA-cam is a thing and retention and stuff. I love how everyone was able to be pretty respectful with such a heated topic at hand. Can’t wait for more “_____ haters” vs “_____ player” still waiting on the Moira one 🤞🏻🤣
Mercy is only this controversial because she's extremely popular, she's a female support character and her healing doesn't require aiming. If at least one of these 3 factors weren't true, she wouldn't get HALF the hate or love she gets. For comparison moira does have to aim a little but barely and she just doesn't get as much hate because she's not as popular. And probably because at least her heals don't lock on. It's just a mix of everything. Mercy being a relatively low skill floor character, her being a support girlie who's an overwatch icon and sexism especially in the gaming community just existing all make her a hot topic :/
now this, this is exactly what i wanted to say, you worded it so perfectly. though its not completely related, it's sort of similar to this character called Sage in valorant, being one of the only healers in the whole game who's also a girl, as well as having a low skill floor with her 'basic' abilities. and so many people who meet a girl start throwing and getting mad if she doesn't pick a 'healer'
Mercy is only hated bwxause shes a woman and i will stand on this hill.
Yeah play the sexism card instead of the obvious that mercy doesn't need anything. She is braindead. If you aren't an idiot, you will put so much value without any skill.
I wont deny that sexism exists, but blaming it all on sexism is not it lol we hate mercy bc she's a boring, non-interactive, braindead easy character with a disproportionate correlation of skil=value.
Moira doesn't get as much hate because she isn't the video game equivalent of a mosquito that heals and resurrects enemies like Mercy is. Blaming it on sexism is completely forgetting how she can be annoying.
that 2nd clip literally every single support except zen and lucio (maybe brig)could keep up a single dps against a sigma
FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS THAT MERCY ISNT THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN POCKET! I have been losing brain cells.
id argue that those 3 u mentioned could boop, damage, or mess with the sig enough to keep that ally alive since their heals are mostly passive and sig has a tank hitbox
Brig could definitely keep him alive. I don’t know if people know this but brig heals more than mercy . Brigs inspire procks when you attack an enemy player in any form and heals your team for 15 healing per second in a radius that is more than twice the size of lucios aura. And repair pack heals 50 healing per second for two seconds with an initial burst of 25 healing when applied to a character. That effectively makes repair pack on their own a total of 62.5 healing for 2 seconds and brig has 3 charges (mercy is 55 regularly and 60 in valk.) not to mention that repair pack also stacks with Inspire so you are effectively doing 77.5 healing per second provided that you are procking Inspire and effectively using repair pack which you can do both from a safe distance. That 2nd clip just showed how unwarranted mercy hate is
@@-NoNo. yea I knew that brig healed more than mercy just didn’t know if she would be able to keep that healing going for the entire clip cause of repair cool-down but yea people will slander on mercy for the littlest things
but the soldier got ulted??? it almost looked like the ult did no dmg lmaoo
nicest mercy haters in the overwatch community
I've always been pretty staunchly on the Mercy main side (though I don't really have a true support "main" and play who I feel fits the map and the comp better more often than not) because the amount of mudslinging at Mercy's in game (especially ones that are female irl) is nonsensical to say the least and people spread falsehoods. No other character and playerbase gets nearly as much vitriol as Mercy mains do. I don't even remember prime BRIG getting this much hate.
I’m sorry but u have to be delusional to think any of that is true. I say this as primarily a support player but they’re always the worst ones on every team when it comes to toxicity. Which is usually all directed at the tank. In this game people think the game is won and lost at tank when in reality they r powerless without supports. I struggle mentally playing that role even though they’re my best characters cause entitled support players usually moiras, mercy’s and lifeweaver now will be quick to type tank diff every time a fight has gone wrong. And hating on mercy’s r u serious. I never get half the love of the mercy on my team when I’m on ana or kiri because they simply can’t tell as much when they’re getting healed. So many times after games I hear mercy u da goat from my whole team as I’m sitting with 75% scope acc 10 enemies slept and 7k Dmg 15k healing. Mercy’s straight up get babied by every one in this game and I still play into it. I pick them up from spawn and thank them for pockets cause I know they think that people r out to get them so whatever effort I show is always rewarded.
@@elitexxguy i noticed that too i always liked lifeweaver but they are always the ones that are quick to say something no matter what it is. same with mercy
@elitexxguy no more delusional than anyone here, it's just my experience. I've run into far more DPS that throw a fit than Mercy's or Weaver's (hardly anyone plays Weaver in my games to begin with) since starting back in 2016.
@@dratterratter I think it’s because those 3 are all really easy to get high healing and low deaths with. So when they r losing even though they have these nice stats they think it has to be the teams fault.
@@elitexxguyFunnily enough I hear this argument a whole lot. I really think this idea of one group getting hate is just false. I play all roles and I get hate on every one equally. I think women get hate more than you’d get hate on any role tbh. I will say tho I rarely see mercy hate unless they’re throwing. I typically see people being pretty chill or even sucking up to them to get pocketed.
In that clip I think the biggest issue is that mercy beam can only be broken through los and the fact that she can’t miss her heal was the issue. On any other support that doesn’t have to aim for heals sigma would’ve killed him through the heals, and on those that need los and to aim he probably would’ve died. As someone who plays Sigma and Winston it is almost impossible to kill someone that is being pocketed by a mercy. She can’t miss, can’t run out, and it’s a constant stream of heals.
Also to Skietsi’s point the rock combo wouldn’t have killed cause sigma can’t 2 shot anymore and he was being healed with the beam which would heal through the 2 shot anyway.
Tbh yes, but she barely has any other abilities, that is the one thing that she does, besides rez
And rez is very risky
If an ana pockets a winston he is literally always unkillable too (she even has more healing)
First question. I agree that mercy is hard to climb with, purely by the fact that mercy requires their team to be better than the other tea without direct damage input from a secondary healer.
Mechnically speaking, if you put a gold ana in a bronze start, they'll shoot their way out pretty quickly. While a mercy is stuck trying to enable players who represent Anakin from the "Anakin I have the high ground" meme.
YESS this is what i mean!
one game, me (mercy) and another support were constantly being dove, and our entire team would just run off and leave us to die to the flanking doomfist, and we ended up losing. trust me, we tried to enable our team, i even healed the tank more than i usually do, but both of us kept constantly dying, leaving the rest of the team with no heals.
but then, i met this person who looked out for me, they would wait for me and taxi me, as well as help when im being dove. i feel like dps/tank players who have experience with support are most likely to be this kind of person, because i main support but whenever i play any other role my first priority is checking if my supports are alrighjt
skietsi bringing up ml7 hitting gm w mercy taking the longest doesnt really make sense to me. that doesnt necessarily mean mercys hard to play, it more so means shes hard to carry on which is true! in my opinion as a former mercy main, she’s one of the easiest characters to pick up and play but has a high skill ceiling
She brought it up because the previous reaper player said she’s the easiest support to climb on which is objectively untrue
Context is key. It wasn't in response to hard to play, it was a response to hard to climb on. :)
but thats the reason shes hard to climb with.. she enables dpses and if the dps are bad she can't help much..
@@PurpleMoon799 thats not the prompt tho lmao
@@leanndabb k
His argument: The team had to spend resources to secure a kill which is made meaningless by a rez behind a wall to which they tried to stop by giving more resources but was made pointless because she was behind a wall
Mercy argument: Just don't do that
Like... what
She gave more arguments than just that though lol including the fact the mercy was in valk, had line of sight originally and also there’s a gap anyway, include all her arguments not just that
The argument boils down to Mercy using her entire kit AND the environment to pull the Rez off, while other characters can invalidate it with one shot/ability. If Mercy had any other way to improve her Rez success rate, then hiding behind walls wouldn't be as necessary. Blame Blizz for giving it a sluggish 2 second cast time while Mercy uses an ult that encourages mobility.
@@inplane9970The way I see it, is that Blizzard needs to have a size limit on what’s considered LOS, instead of just to the center of an object, and that Rez should require partial LOS to the whole orb (let’s say 33% of the orb needs to be visible to the mercy throughout) so that around the corner rezes where her team can help are viable, but rezes where she’s invulnerable because she’s fully behind a wall after initiating the rez is just unfair.
@@inplane9970The size limit thing would apply for other abilities too, and ultimates instead of the id point being the single LOS check. Would stop DVa bomb from killing through tiny gaps, but also allow the bomb to kill people who just can’t see its ID point.
Its a bad decision to try and use abilities to stop something you obviously cant stop. Its not that hard to figure out. The players literally saw that Mercy is behind a wall and decided to start using abilities that can't do anything to get her there. Then the mercy hater got mad that they wasted resources... It was just a bad play. If you can't understand that simple concept then you can't understand what is right for the balance of the game.
No one can force you to do something over a computer. It doesn’t matter your gender, just don’t take BS from other people
I'm part of the mercy mains (I don't play competitive) and if someone insults me, I ain't gonna heal them, idc if we lose.
I really enjoyed the vid and I mostly agreed with skiesti even as someone who dislikes mercy as a whole, but when they did the Rez behind a wall clip she kinda dodged the is it fair question and just said that’s how the ability works and stuck to that, felt like cope in my personal opinion
bruh i read the comments before watching the full video and i thought skiesti is gonna be like outrageous or something but no she's really tame and respectful in this video idk wat these comments are on about 😭
Most comes from the first clip where she straight up just dont give a fuck about the othersides points despite them being more in the right in terms of making the game more fun. But i agree the comments made it seem way worse
Man I was disappointed with the lack of hair snatching or even debates. You’d think they would have a field day with Skiesti with them being haters and all. They sound like they dislike her rather than HATE her.
7:45 honestly this wasn’t very surprising to me because if you genuinely look at mercy and mercy players, the ones that are boosted will fall in rank dramatically and there is only a certain amount of elo that you can get with boosting a mercy before the climb is completely haulted by the sheer amount of skill required to play mercy effectively at a high level. Are there boosted mercy players? I think I’ve only ever met 2 and even they were boosted to at max diamond. Mercy just requires too much to be boosted to ranks like Gm and top 500. The mercy player themselves have to be good and then at that point it’s not boosting anymore.
exactly. and i dont know if its a skill issue for me, but climbing w mercy is hard in solo queue. dont get me wrong, being with a duo dps, even tank, and them looking out for you really helps and thats what makes me win. what doesnt is the teammates that are toxic, blame the supports and leave us behind as we die to a flanking genji.
i rarely ever play solo queue, sometimes i've met wonderful teammates during comp games...though that's like 5% of the time.
The mercys all at the end blue beaming each other made me want to throw up and not even let my dog eat it
Skiesti is so entitlted that I feel sorry for her parents
@@huso4821do u know her personally?
@@huso4821there are much more entitled people people just hate when women speak passionatley
@@huso4821 grow up
@@CynoRules I couldn't care less if she is passionate or not or about her gender. She is entitled, or at least was until she stopped playing mercy and started maining moira and hiding her elo screens. Entitlement and not having an open mind was her problems and plus it doesn't matter if people are more entitled than her lmao? That doesn't take away her own entitlement? Lol.
ya but 'crazy mercy rezes' are hard to do... thats like saying "some of these widow shots are crazy" like yeah... its hard to do.
God, those old ass click sounds in the beginning when liking and subscribing lol
And the Brain Age 2 soundtrack in the background! So amazing!
I love watching these they are so entertaining
Zen mains vs Tank mains would be fun
put flats there just for shts and giggles
Strictly question for the rez clip, can't you shoot through those small gaps in the railing on that map? So then wouldn't the rez technically have los at that point?
I really like seeing Skiesti pretending like she isn’t part of the mercy mafia lol
the mercy mafia doesn't exist 🤷🏻♀️
@@PurpleMoon799 💀 Stop lying to yourself
@@UT_Alx its yall crybabies making up enemies and crying about mercy existence
@@PurpleMoon799 Oh… We found the mercy main..
@@UT_Alx found the dps player who begs for a pocket but cries when the enemy has a mercy 🤷🏻♀️
3:40 Easy hero to play != easy hero to climb.
I love how passionate ski is about mercy it's so funny 😭
7:20 "yeah i know i just wanted to be quirky and different" 😭😭
Ive got a bit of a hot take about mercy. Idc if she has 100 hps and doubles your damage with damage boost, her guardian angel is what made her fun to play and the only reason i mained her. I havnt really enjoyed playing her especially after her last changes and I've barely played her. As far as im concerned just balance her in whatever way is neccecary to give her back ga in the same state it was in in season 1 and 2 idc how much you have to nerf her damage boost, rez, or healing.
I had the same sentiment about the first version of her ult in OW1 (mass rez). It was such a big dopamine hit when landing 5 men rez that nothing in the game came even close. After they removed it, I tried to keep playing, but with each consecutive nerf they just made her less and less fun to play, so I ended up quitting. That's until OW2 came and they changed GA to make her 10x more fun than what she was at the end of OW1. I don't like having to wait 2 seconds for GA and wish they didn't increase the cooldown, but it's still leagues better than the garbage she was in OW1 post mass rez.
The Mercy Mafia has arrived
This is what I dont understand, if other people are complaining about mercy and how her abilities are not fun to play against, the mercy players just tell them to go play a different game then. But.. if mercy were to receive a nerf, even a small nerf, then of course they want their character to be buffed and they wont learn a new character or play a different game like they were just telling other people to do.
Yeah that was probably the most annoying take in this video. If enough people agree something needs to be done sometimes the character really just isnt balanced properly.
It's because the Mercy players don't shove it in people's faces. So many people complain about Mercy, but despite the changes, we still play Mercy. We may complain, but it's not as loud as the people complaining about Mercy. A lot of people are so anti-Mercy that Mercy players get shit on for existing.
mercy is getting her second nerf and i don't see a single person complaining 🤷🏻♀️ and the movement nerf was absolutely nonsensical and people calling it out is justified
@@PurpleMoon799 unfortunately I do know a lot of people that are upset about the damage boost nerf. My friend is on twitter and he simply was agreeing with the nerf and he got people even telling him to kill himself because he was saying how mercy should be nerfed. And the thing with GA is that it shouldnt be untouchable, just because something is a part of their kit doesnt mean that it shouldnt be changed. A lot of heroes have received reworks if the hero had an issue. With some mercy's being able to stay off the ground almost forever, it is really hard for people to be able to kill her with her movement abilities. It can feel very frustrating to play against.
@@breem1924 obviously some people will be upset and yes theres some toxic people but trying to paint all of us as toxic is wrong. also staying in the air for so long as mercy is not a good idea at all and she can still do that with the 3 min cooldown. that change just made her clunky it has nothing to do with a fair rework.
In the Sigma clip if you add the hp he was getting mercy +cart+ biotic field it all equals around 105 hp/s if the clip was pre season 6 if not then it is 110hp/s post season six patch
Skiesti really said mercy rez would be useless in response to someone mentioning mercy being able to Rez behind a wall…ok then
I mean yeah, if she can’t have that protection then what’s the point of res. That’s like saying remove walls because Widowmaker can hide behind them 🤷♂️
Because she’s right. Also, u position to rez behind a wall. U still have to get los. Good mercys usually just super jump rez/ super jump rez behind wall with los and or Valk rez behind wall/ spins with los. Y’all make it seem like they rez the soul directly behind the wall without line of sight. There’s a max distance to rez so if they position right, They should be able to do it; it shouldn’t be taken away. Like why do y’all want her skill expressions mechanics to be taken away? Not everyone can do it.
@@blade_1482 Also mentioning that hiding behind a wall is Rez's *only* skill expression. Mercy literally cannot control how Rez functions in any substantial capacity aside from doing it out of LoS. It's arguably the worst ability to play with because no other ability in the game hinders movement like Rez does.
Rez needs a rework in some capacity because it's embarrassing how Blizz allowed such a sluggish ability to remain in the game for 6 years.
@@inplane9970 I kinda agree but Well mercy’s skill expression comes from mostly her movement so if u combine that with her other abilities they yeah its skill expressions. Super jump rez, spin rez techs, etc are skill expressions towards her movement.
The only thing is that I have Been playing this game since Mercys mass/ fast rez days so it blows my mind that ppl complain about current rez when it’s literally the most vulnerable ability in the game and her hitbox is increase 2x while doing it. Rezing without movement techs is mostly just having game sense, so knowing los rez breaks, distance, and time to reposition again after, etc.
@@blade_1482 Oh yea definitely. GA is a huge part of Mercy, but it's being nerfed anyways and being limited more and more. I don't think people realize how nerfs actually reduce skill expression because less options means less proactivity during gameplay. I'm still on the side of, "Superjump should've remained a hidden tech." I barely even saw Mercy players ask for Superjump to have built-in indicators and an easier control scheme. The whole satisfaction of it was mastering its movement.
I've been playing Mercy since Season 1 of OW1 and been through every iteration of Mercy. Literally all they need to do is make Rez a charged ability again. Doesn't have to be the ult, but on its own resource/locked behind Valk/whatever. A big part of why Mercy became an issue is because she gets free value every 30 seconds. Doesn't matter how good or poorly she plays, she just gets Rez every 30 seconds. Having the potential to change the tide of a game on a flat cooldown is impossible to balance no matter how many things get nerfed.
On the topic of mercy mains being sensitive: her rework all the back in OW1 were they removed her mass rez and how badly that situation was handled (made worse by blizzard not helping) is why so players are defensives with her. I think it's no different when streamers over react when Brig gets a buff and they scream that we are going to be in a goats meta again.
"The stereotype that women usually play mercy is true" (every mercy in the video was a girl) I'm just laughing so hard.
The cat fights I hear in ranked between 2 egirls tryna get mercy is CRAZY those mfers are RABID if they cant get their hero.
so you agree most of the hate on mercy is barely disguised misogyny?
@@PurpleMoon799 the hate on mercy comes from not having to aim, dmg amp break points, and mid team fight rez idk where u got that from boss.
@@thywhiskey725 Other supports deserve just as much hate with their busted kits. Everyone screaming that Mercy players are dramatic, sensitive, delusional, and unhinged when they complain about their character getting nerfs (no matter the claim), yet people will complain and act equally as dramatic about other heroes when they are nerfed and they do not receive the same hate. The adjectives I gave as examples are the same ones used against women in a misogynistic way to suggest that women are incapable of reason.
@@commentbot9510 Hell yeah they deserve hate, this is just a mercy video so I didnt comment about other supps HAHA. Mercy twitter mafia is something else though. Only thing comparable is like widow mains.
27:30 bro bro JUSTT kill the mercy bro, the fkn f1 flying target while l the pocketed one is shooting at you
Mercy is just a terribly designed character. A hero that relies on everyone else but has abilities that can make the experience miserable.
Dmg boost is being nerfed and rez isn’t even an issue
how is res not an issue, you can res someone that died (by positioning poorly) before the fight even started, then res them again in the middle of a fight, giving your teammate practically 3 lives for 1 fight
@@bananamonkeygaming14if the mercy positioned poorly while ressing she will die.. wtf are you talking about
@@bananamonkeygaming14 I could see this side for lower ranks. While climbing I've noticed that the team fights get significantly shorter as you climb and people are able to consistently secure kills, and there's more target focus than in lower ranks.
I think its very difficult to balance mercy because each rank has its own difficulties. For example, GA needs to be strong for higher ranks since mechanical game play and target priority increases, but it's too strong in lower ranks where mechanical skill and communication is lacking.
Mercy is a bitch character because u can’t force games with her let alone in a higher lobby. I have no sympathy for mercy players
These never fail to be great content.
As a hardcore Ana main, I love my fellow Mercy enjoyers. But god forbid if they swap to Moira.
as a mercy main, i love my fellow ana players. it's like ana and kiri players understand mercy the most and are my favourite to duo with. and now i should add illari to the list, the games i've had with her were so fun because damage boosting her ult as she flies in the sky is amazing to me 😭
when i dont play mercy and my other support does, the moment they switch to moira.....
This Mercy main will swap to Moira to try and protect my Ana from genjis, tracers and sombras
i hope everyone had food and water today 💕
For the second clip example with mercy out healing I would like to add that it’s not only mercy that can out heal other peoples damage because I’ve had many times where I go battle or I’m dps and there’s a lifeweaver or Moira out healing my damage. (Stance disagree)
when people says mercy required gameknowledge and game sens i just wanna says " well like EVERY SINGLE CHARCTER IN THE GAME bro "
I would love if you could do a Overthink video of Tank Doomfist and Dps Doomfist
Mercy is for the girls and the gays~ 💅
lmao I love how honest Ski is
I feel like mercy kind of unhealthy for the game, just buff her movement and nerf damage boost and she'd be fine for the most part. Rez should be LOS based like basically everything else in this game?? Being able to revive a teammate and completely change the tide of the game seems,, unfair? You can still use cover depending on where your teammate died or maybe communicate with your tank to shield you from dmg. Just my take though.
Good point on the first part; nerfing DMG boost and reverting the GA nerf (thank you).
But you do know, that Rez is los? You can't start a rez without los. Lingering is a thing in this game and won't go away.
I personally think if Rez have to stay ,there is something have to change for the Rez target like only have 75% hp and no Armor no shield. That would be more fair since the main problem rn is able to Rez a tank
@@owenlee7146that's actually a good idea. it'll also force her to stay with her rez target to heal them instead of running away leaving her more vulnerable.
@@owenlee7146 agree
@@rocketaurora5624 my bad, i meant that rez should be los the entire time, going over a wall and being safe while bringing a tank back seemed unfair
Explain how in overwatch this is a problem but in TF2 with medic this isn’t a problem what so ever and I would say Uber is more impact then damage boost and rez
Because in tf2 you dont have unlimited kritzkrig
As a Mercy player I'd say she's easy and hard simultaneously.
Many of the games I’ve been in are mercy mains being toxic to the enemy supports. I get focused on by the enemy mercy and then tbagged when I do play mercy. After going through this many times I just decided to stop playing her.
I have noticed though that if you play baptiste it’s like you’re completely invisible to them.
Jokes aside, I respect mercy mains for healing well, but to those mains who are just complete assholes please stop lol
the reason why its hard to climb on mercy is because ur spectating the game not playing it lmao
I honestly really liked the points the reapers brought up, and they were composed as they brought it up. I think their problems are more with mercy the character, not the players. Something’s I was able to detest, but other criticisms made me think about her kit in general. And gotta love Ghost :)
i feel like mercy is one of the easiest supports to play but also one of the hardest to learn, because her movement is so complex she cant just "ok now shoot dmg at enemy and shoot heal at teammate" unlike many supports her abilities arent so direct like for example with many supports such as baps immortality field what you need to pay attention for is getting the right timing but what to do with it and how it works is very straight forward, as a mercy main i can play any support okay-ish (ofcourse im not good at them, only okay, because im unused to their ability timings and positions to play in) even on the first try because if you read their ability descriptions you already know how to use it or what to do with it, all you really need to master is timing, however for mercy her abilities are very complex and crutial and even in low ranks although there is usually way less pressure on lower ranks on them, usually inability to understand the aspects of her abilities, positions, and timing can cost you the game (although ofc its the same with all supports, with mercy it's the most crutial part of her character) and although her abilities are quite straight forward as to what they are, learning ga's movements and positionings is very hard and revive can quite literally win games for you or loose games for you so the pressure on being able to understand revive positions, mobility and so on is really important. all supports have to focus on positioning and timing, but for mercy those are her main aspects and without knowing it you're basically useless in a game
however, once you learn mercy properly, depending on your rank and the enemy team it can either be really easy or really hard, sometimes ur getting hardcore targetted and dived and no one is peeling for you, and you have to get movements exact and do your best trying to survive, but sometimes you can just stand there in the backline behind a wall and put a beam on someone - however i've also noticed that lately there is a lot of toxicity around mercy, even in quick play games i see people getting told to kts for picking mercy just because there is a new tiktok trend about hating mercy because she requires no skill (which is very much untrue because often times she requires more skill then other supports, just not in the same way such as aim) and because of this nowadays i cant complete a single quick play game even without getting hardcore targetted all game and getting ignored by my team simply for picking mercy
also many people who dont play mercy dont understand her well enough to be complaining about her, for example a few games ago i played a quick play push game where our tank kept diving into the other teams backline and going behind buildings and walls with completely no LOS of either of the supports, and then screamed at me in vc and told me to kms for not healing while i was in the backline of our team and there were not only 2 buildings, but the entire enemy team between us - also the tank screamed at me to revive when 1, i was the only one alive on the entire team, 2, had no way of reaching their soul, 3, was on low hp and being chased by the enemy team - sometimes people who dont understand mercy at all expect her to just magically be able to do anything because shes "so easy to play" and "requires no skill" then get completely toxic over things that are not at all their fault
I'm surprised the mercy's didn't bite the bullet on LOS for res. The counterplay to res is your vulnerable and once you remove that it's absolutely an issue. Sure you can call it skill but I'm pretty sure the same amount of skill went into killing them in the first place where counterplay was an option. Damage boost seems fine if they put a cap on the characters with important breakpoints until mercy is in valk.
I'd also say that tanks should take longer to res or be rezzed at half hp because it doesn't make sense for it to share the same cast time
10:22 snaps for Ehoot 🙌🙌🙌
Disagreeing on mercy players being entitled???? They clearly never saw this thing called “Skeisti’s Twitter”
the only thing i see on her twitter is people attacking her and saying nasty stuff every time she breathes. thats the mafia i see.
im a male mercy main and iv talked in coms and littarly was told by some dude to leave mercy to the chicks,if i dont talked ill get flamed hard cuz they think im a girl
Not just mercy but all supports get blamed 24/7
God I hate the without damage boost or Rez mercy will be useless argument. Do you think they’re just going to remove the most impactful parts of her kit and give her nothing in return. It’s like all the people saying we shouldn’t remove one-shot from widow or hanzo cause they’ll be useless. If we’re going to remove the whole point of the character they just need to be reworked.
I agree that they would give her something in return but that’s the thing- no one talks about that. The discussion is always “remove damage boost/ Rez” “she won’t have anything then”
“…”
Like people never follow up with what they would like to replace it with. Personally if I were to replace damage boost I would make it instead a damage mitigation BUT it increases the longer that beam is active to a max of 1-13% percent. As soon as the beam switches off or switches to heal it resets back to 1% and it takes a good couple of seconds to get back to max. Next I would nerf her healing a bit to compensate for the previous change. Making the play style being “damage mitigate until they are low- switch to heal BUT these heals aren’t out pacing the damage so it’s up to the DPS being pocketed to actually take cover at that point to get topped off. If they try to face tank they will die as neither beam can help them without taking cover.”
Im going to talk about a rez rework first then I’ll talk about if we removed it entirely for something else. Rez… if I were to cater to the “you should need constant Los for it” crowd- to adjust to that change I would keep the cast time but when she is casting she gets 3% damage mitigation on HERSELF. Maybe a little more maybe less. But I want her be SLIGHTLY tank-y while only when I’m rez. This will make up for being in the constant Los of the enemy and still have the chance of the rez success. But the team can still gun her down- and if you missed to many shots (understandable because you probably flicked to get to her so you adjusting your aim might have cause a few misses) and the rez got off- she is now at very low health and her rez defense buff is gone. Punish her for failing to plan an escape route. then you can still gun down the rez person as they have no support to save them unless liveweaver grabs them. I think this rez rework would be a good compromise.
BUT if you just want to nuke rez and replace it with something else, I would replace it with something I’ll call “angels wings” name can be workshoped. What it does is that Mercy uses her wings to protect a team mate like a protective bird. You can have it act like a shield but with very small HP (like 150hp) or it can be like Ram block but you can only have it up for a second or two before it goes on cooldown. The point being it’s very brief and it’s a sign for the teammate to leave to get better healed behind cover but it still leaves room for the DPS and the mercy to get punished. If the mercy doesn’t plan an escape route she gets deleted or severely injured and can’t do anything risky like that until she is healed. The DPS gets punished for not knowing fights they can’t win and fall back- or they do know but they positioned so badly that they are so far from good cover that not even mercy can save them. So in a match it would be like “team mate needs help getting to cover- they are taking too much damage. Mercy GAs to them and uses this angel wing ability. It essentially makes a pocket of cover for the team mate at the mercy’s expense. The ability goes on cool down and the team mate peaks from the cover they now have to help the mercy GA out of there.”
If you implemented both replacements abilities mercy would be a defensive off healer. She has more mobility than brig but is much more fragile. She could be useful in more aggressive dive comps in that if the teammate needs to fall back towards the main healer in a safer position after a dive Mercy can help them make it back- BUT they will die if they dived in a dumb way that the enemy can punish them for. She can help people survive if they actually try to play smart and survive. But she can’t Rez them- she can’t put heal face tanking- she will die if you refuse to use cover. This change would make her even harder to use in low ranks as everyone is bad at positioning and falling back (though the low rank aim might help the mercy a bit) but in high ranks she would be a situational pick that would be challenging but fair to make her efforts useless.
Funny because now days Hanzo doesn't have his one shot and they gave him NOTHING in return, literally useless character
I hate one trick Mercy’s. When I can’t play a character that is necessary with the comp because of a zero damage Mercy. They are completely useless
Holy shit...Skesti lost her shit....that's so obvious the way the video clips like straight onto her during the Rez section.
Throughout the video you can see Chrstine being fair sweeping across the room, but to immediately jump to the other side of the room to a player who is suddenly talking fast meant....something went down.
If you feel “forced” to play mercy, grow a backbone and don’t play mercy. Find a pharah or okay who doesn’t beg the supports for a mercy. If you’re a steamer and you’re known for playing mercy, people in your games are gonna want you to play mercy. It’s like seeing Proper play Cassidy and asking him to go Sojourn…
Forrreaaal. I rolled my eyes at that statement. Like really? If you feel forced to have to play any character. That's a you issue and you need to grow tf up and stand up for yourself. No one's holding any weapons to you telling you to play mercy or they'll gut your family or some shit. This is why people call these kinds of mercy mains entitled and annoying.
@@AerondyteJudgeForced/pressured to play a character online. You'll only hear this from Mercy mains.
mercy players having the best skins and the reapers are just there...
I vote to eject Ghost75. He's clearly the impostor.
While I’m on #teamreworkmercy, I just really dislike mercy haters (in general, not anyone in this video) more cuz I see their complaints more than mercy mains honestly and it just all feels like “oh the game isn’t catered to me boohoo” lmao.
for me, the people who hate mercy's character for a good reason? understandable. though the people who hate her because of biases, or something personal? like, what are you even doing
For me mercy mains sounds like hog mains in season two. Only emotions and "just kill mercy" (like "bad positioning" from hogs). I dont say she is broken like him, but she create problems in all ranks, its fact - her abilities unhealthy for game. And "just kill mercy" dont work when she enable pharah - charachter that disable 10 out of 17 dps heroes, left you 1 tank and 2 supports, its not fun. Personally i love mercy mains. They almost always friendly, wave, emote, spam "piece of cake", glock enemies, i like it. But i hate playing against even decent mercy - its just not fun.
@@hiikkachu I think “fun” shouldn’t be a measuring stick on balancing a character. That’s very subjective. Mercy’s weird because the community jumps from “she’s too oppressive” to “she’s useless, switch”. It’s not even a constant thing where a Phar-Mercy dominates. You still need a decent Pharah, and a decent Mercy. That’s 2 players cooperating. It’s not really fact that her abilities are unhealthy when she herself is defenseless, that’s why her movement is the #1 thing to learn on mercy. You get 3 or less rezzes every game, and that’s only ever behind cover, I partially agree about damage boost, so I don’t mind nerfing it but keep in mind that that is her main form of contributing to damage. Pull out a pistol and everyone else complains. I don’t mind them replacing both rez and damage boost but it’s wrong to base that on something subjective like how fun it is to play against.
@@hiikkachu Regardless of if they change her, learn how to play against a mercy. Play a hitscan hero or play a flanker, expect and bait out cooldowns (they already nerfed GA), make her rez and kill her. Yknow, like expecting and baiting out suzus, lamp, bubble, or any other cooldown. Obviously easier said than done, but it’s not as impossible as people make it out to be.
Mercy mains can be loud about these things about their hero but Mercy haters are just as loud, if not louder. The devs said they were happy about where Mercy was, yet due to outcry, they nerfed her dmg boost. That’s a fact. When people put their personal biases in, call Mercy mains “Mercy Mafia”, make fun of them, meme about them, and call them victims, it doesn’t seem like Mercy mains are the only problem in this community.
@@tris_redfield And you prove my point. "Play a hitscan" is not solution because it cut half heroes. Dont ever play sym, mei, rein or brig because mercy exists? Its not ok. But u can say "its not cod, its moba, u cry because u need counterpeek". I agree counterpeek exist in ow, but it is about having advantage, not "only way". U still can play genji against sym or moira, dva against zarya etc, but it will be harder. Dont u think if only solution is cut more than half heroes its not "balanced"? Bait 2s cooldown? Just bait discord orb and suzu it, problem solved? Problem is not her movement or rez or dmg boost, problem is its on one character. Zen have same boost (even better) but in what price? He is literally easiest hero to elim. Ana have sleep and nade in same way - she have no mobility. And what about t500 hitscans? They strugle eliming mercy too, its skill issue? For t500 mercy "ok" stats is 0-2 deaths whole game. And still she have powerful tools. Its not healthy. She's not op, but its not healthy for game.
And i totally agree here (exept "devs happy", cause devs happy with matchmaking, comp system and monetization, but community still hate it). Loud people mostly not so smart. And yeah, there is mercys who biased and annoying and blahblah (like people in other communities wow). But they dont deserve that hate, no one deserve it. I understand when people mad about her abilities, but its just too much, its just mysoginistic shitshtorm that worse than "unhealthy abilities".
I need to hear more about this ghost/bf story
That one reaper was definitely being held at gun point by their boyfriend
i’ve not seen sunlight in months please help.
I personally think mercys movement should be buffed and damage boost severely nerfed. Bring back some of the skill expression and take out blue beam afk simulator.
Mercy used to be one of my most played supports but not because I enjoyed playing her. For a while in ow1 she was just a must pick in every game and the team without a mercy always lost. Mercy is balanced better today than back then but it still feels a bit too easy to get value out of her kit.
As for skieski all I wanna say is Im not personally a fan. I watched her content for a couple weeks and she just rubs me the wrong way. It always seems like she is in defensive mode and ready to bite. Maybe Ive just gotten the wrong impression but thats just what I felt watching her content. It just doesn't seem like she enjoys the game or the community. And like she takes too many things personally.
I actually read allat 😭🤦🏾♂️
@@nothingtoseehere2My condolences 😂
Bro it takes a minute max to read this shut the fuck up with your unfunny "reading allat"
Best take
the hate on skiesti is insane for me there are people so much more toxic than her.
You needed some more aggressive haters let me speak
1.as long as u don't healbot ur doing ur job 2.it's random 3.there do be a lot of boosted mercies 4.mercy mains are the first ones to scream after nerfs 5.dmg boost is definitly broken but res has counterplay 6.yeah mercy should be in los in the res target 7.it's just a guy running after a running soldier the health should go back to normall tho 8.if he hit the soldier bro would be ded
I know ive asked this before but a 'do all one tricks think the same' would be a good video
Yeah it’s been on the list to do since the start :) just haven’t gotten around to it but I will soon! ❤️
My god. No wonder so many people hate Skiesti and make fun of her….She is like a little todler in the toy store that will go lay on the floor and cry
THE MERCY PLAYER - MERCY HATER GAY RELATIONSHIP IS SO REAL LMAOOO
10:00 as a genji player, i took that personally.
Skiesti don't be unbelivably biased challenge : impossible
I play mercy from time to time and I think most boys who play mercy just wanna chill and don't wanna talk.
I don't hate mercy. I hate toxic mercy mains who act like they can never be or do wrong
That said, I enjoy playing mercy when utterly stoned and just wanting to vibe and help a friend out
Mercy mains vs Mercy haters is the same as Macie Jay against Ash mains
Bro really said he changed his mind on misogyny but still hates mercy 😂
with the people who agreed to the "rez and/or damage boost are unhealthy for the game" statement, thats the point of her kit.. the reason she has such particular and op abilities is because thats practically ALL shes got. shes not a middleground like most other heros. shes got an OP kit, but nothing else. thats how she works. lol
It all boils down to this, should healing outpace damage and are you ok that healing outpaces damage.
I think people don't realize how healing can be so broken, granted it isn't impactful to the eyes but in a rpg/dnd/moba setting if you have that one character who only heals and never dies who can rez, you can clearly see a picture on why mercy is seen so strong. (have any of you played a rpg game and just spec on pure healing on one character its so broken and dumb just having one character heal your whole party, practicly breaks the game so they start doing oneshots to your team just to have a chance to beat you)
I think the problem of overwatch is that there is so much healing and not alot mitigation, i don't think its fair for the enemy to insta kill you but i don't think its also fair that team can't die, you get 2 dynamics of the same problem where you either burst die or are immortal and can stall indefinitly.
For me healing should never pass the threshold of damage, the only expection i will allow it is withing a matter of secs and at a cost of something thats -2, or more based on effectiveness and time, bullets and resource are plentiful and their isn't much cooldowns when healing only the amount you recieve, this is an issue when dealing with people who have a lower accuracy, for example the sigma, i think it becomes unreasonable to say that he should land all of his shots(because they are comparing their own expierence and expecting him to do the same when in reality he is just a lower ranking player fighting a similiar ranked player at a lower setting), the situation he is in doesn't matter but the effect of a sigma landing 80% of his shots only to be negated by a pocket is whats the issue they are missing the point that, he missed a combo and made a slight mistake so in turn mercy should indeed have wasted resources but its not the case, she is doing this passivly, granted it was a ult, but the ult initself is the problem, her healing output broke the threshold out at a cost of no resource, she only looses cd but she isn't put in danger or risk of anykind she gains flight and can heal+dmg boost onto multiple targets in a long period of time at no risk, to me thats like +5 at no cost of anything. I think it would be fairer that her kit revolves more on mitigating damage then flat out healing. you will still die but at a much slower pace. This inturn doesn't negate sigmas damage but only delays his death, soldier was just being healed back to full in a matter of secs, meanwhile mercy is up in the air zooming at mach speed, for anyone at a lower rank now you are expected to land 100% of shots or it won't matter the effect oryou could wait it out that could take about 15 secs , beat and transcendence are more balanced as they yes burst heal but only for about 5 secs which is more then enough to block one massive attack not a consecutive set of attacks.
Now on the topic about climbing i think it all comes down to skillsets, for example just becuase you have the skillset to be a highranking player, doesn't mean you are good at reading the team players skillset its a skill that not many high ranking players practice/posses they are good at looking at themselves but that doesn't translate understanding the limitations of others, mercy gameplay is reading your teammates streangths and amplifing that, other supports can just bypass that by simplifing the situation and ease the situation, they don't enable their teammates, they just create a situation favorable for their team and thats the biggest distinction to make when playing mercy.
The techs of mercy i can't judge persay, but overall i think it is comparitivly easier then other heroes.
Rez being out of los has happened more often then people will realize it, its only later notice when you get to showcase it but it is more common then what people would like to believe. I think it would be more interesting to see if the comunity would look at any of their match history you are bound to find one if you are looking for it but comes unnoticed.
This isn't to say i hate mercy players as i don't mind them they have a unqiue playstyle and i hope they realise how improve her design that doesn't revolve around healing but introducing a more healthier mechanic.
Finally someone has said it as someone who mains echo the breakpoints are so fine on that hero that any amount of healing they receive can seriously mean life or death when going for beams and by far mercy is the worst with it simply because there is no resource or aim attached to it. With every other heal source especially non supports there is a lot of counterplay like simply just waiting out that source. With a mercy it’s just pray I get an anti from my ana or I have to kill the mercy which is really difficult on echo sometimes because she’ll just fly out your beam every time. Damage boost isn’t even an issue in most 1v1s a pocketed Ashe or cass still takes the same shots to kill as one without a pocket. But half a second of mercy’s healing now ashe can’t kill with a scoped headshot unscoped head or scoped head body shot. And when u r on the side of the dps that can’t get this consistent source of healing u will always be frustrated
This is a dumb take because Mercy isn't even a main healer. She isn't known for chucking heals, she's known for damage boosting. You must not have witnessed a good Ana or Bap.
@@SchweetCookie she’s not a main healer cause her heals aren’t good for tanks. But she by far and u can’t argue this has the best heals for dps cause she doesn’t have to aim or reload ever and dps are much harder to hit thank tanks. So u basically need 3 people focus firing someone on a mercy pocket to die if u can’t get the mercy first
@@SchweetCookie The discussion im giving is that healing in general is strong you can name any support and my point can still stand, its all about if you are fine with outhealing damage, to me healing should never make you immortal in general, assuming my knowledge/expierence to invalidate my point isn't a person a ready for discussion, i can see that you are fine that healing is fine, or accustom to one view point on how healing works, mercy in general i have no qualms like i stated before i think ga can be reworked to something more effective but right now the takes ive seen from mercy player aren't ready for discussion on balance.
At high level of play her damage boost becomes valued thats one side, but what about lower ranks, their accuracy isn't consistent enough for mercy damage boost to be effective, but her healing can defintly compensate on the low incoming damaged, do you think its fair for a lower consistent player to 100% land all the shots just to kill that pocket.
As a casual mostly-support-player I would agree that healing is too powerful in this game. I played Paladins a bit and I like how characters are designed there. Everyone has movement ability and everyone has out of combat health regeneration mechanic (you may want to see Zanbot's "The Case For Universal Health Regeneration" on YT that covers it further for OW) and anti-healing items you can buy during a match. Supports there are real supports and not those healbots they are in Overwatch. If everyone had access to OOC healing, DPS players would be more likely to stay behind cover and support player would not need to pump out a ton of healing that is mostly available at all times to keep everyone alive. Maybe they could introduce healing abilities with cooldowns and with various amount of health regeneration as well as adding more utility or interesting mechanics to existing supports and other roles without disrupting the balance. As it is right now supports in this game have monopoly on healing and its why hero design becomes repetitive at times and supports are heavily healing-oriented.
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#1 MERCY DEFENDER !!!!!!!
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@@Muggy747 i low-key disagree
What a great video as always :D
17:41 yeah he is correct Mercy does provide the means to get higher DMG where it certainly changes the flow of the game BUT you have to consider that it’s basically a 5v4 at this point! It’s not that scary unless it’s a godly widow or Hanzo that gets boosted and instantly deletes you! Still though it’s not easy to win in a 4v5.
Not saying that DMG boost isn’t powerful but there is a Drawback. It’s STILL 4v5
25:37 Mercy did not outheal! There was also the soldier‘s heal field! That was just good use of hero abilities! It’s also stupid to kill a character who is getting heal from Mercy
I love Skiesti so much 😭💀
Sigma missed his shots AND mercy used her ULT AND sigma was down his rock. It was a skill issue. But it’s understandable tho poor sigma is a poke tank. Not a brawl tank
as a mercy player in the lower ranks i will say i either get shit talked or praised for my gameplay (the latter usually when i pocket a dps who proceeds to pop off)
It's crazy to see all these players disagree on the take that most mercy players are boosted. It's as if they need to see the irrefutable thousands of dms myself and other high elo players receive from mercy one tricks asking or begging to be boosted to open their eyes. It's very obvious what goes on in the community when it comes to mercy. Although I can still safely say not EVERY mercy otp is boosted, just that it is EXTREMELY rare to find a mercy otp that genuinely isn't boosted nor has any intention of being boosted. I can excuse the lower ranked dps players for not knowing what goes on in the deep end, but the higher ranked ones I cannot. Also the fact that these players, including Skiesti, are trying to defend their OTP character to the point where they lie to themselves is just delusion. If she knew the community "so well" she would know and acknowledge the truth, not deny it just to save a small portion of the resentment players feel towards mercy.
I'm a Mercy main and I solo queue :)
@@SchweetCookie Good job :]
I didn't even know mercy players are actually being boosted? I thought people just say that because they hate mercy players. I main mercy and all I do is solo queue. And let me tell you, mercy is such a hard hero to climb with when you solo queue. Skiesti was not lying about that
@@reversingmemory Yes mercy does rely on her team more than any other support character, that was probably her only valid argument tbh. But even still, it is not impossible to climb to T500 solo queuing with mercy even if it is more challenging in comparison to other support heroes.
the Ghost lore is strong :'D
It gets very deep with me and my bf
we need a LW mains vid, poor ppl are unheard
I'm buckling up for this one