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What if the Papal States UNITED Italy in 1849?
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- I believe that if the Papal States united Italy, then Austria would get to keep Lombardy-Veneto, which is quite important. This means that Austria is unlikely to lose the brothers war of 1866, as in our timeline Italy joined so they can get these lands.
As a result, if Prussia loses against Austria, then the Franco-Prussian war would not happen, so Napoleon III would remain in charge of France and Germany will not form, so this video changes quite a lot! When it comes to the Apennine Peninsula, having the Papal States control the country would also change quite a lot.
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Subscribe if you noticed that the video length matches the title!
Another creative thing I did was to have a before and after thumbnail design, where the before shows with text 1848, and the second shows with the video length 1849, which I think was super creative!
That's actually such a cool idea, I love that! You should continue doing that in other videos wherever possible!
For me the Video is 18:48 long
@@Follower_of_Yeshua i hate how it's bugged for some people. To me it shows 1849...
That me
@@rewriting-history pope didn't want unify Italy at all
Now that is what I call a holy roman empire
Very based!
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The real one
Holiest Empire!
Holy Roman Republic 🗿
Fun fact: this almost happened in 1859. At the peace of Zürich, after the Second Italian War of Independence, in the article 18 of the treaty, there is written that the Emperor of France and the Emperor of Austria must favour the creation of a Confederation of Italian States under the Pope, which would include Austrian Venice and have a standing federal army. This however never materialised because, for it to happen, the revolutionary government which deposed the rulers of Tuscany, Modena and Parma as well as the Papal governors of Bologna, Ferrara, Ravenna and Forlì, should've been dissolved and the old rulers and governors brought back to power, however nobody tried to dissolve that new revolutionary state and a few months later it joined the Kingdom of Sardinia Piedmont, therefore ensuring that Italy would unite under a unitary monarchy.
Very nice! didn't know that!
6 views in 1 minute, bro fell off, should delete his channel tbh
104 for 6
137 for 7
152 now
266 in 12 minutes
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Nah, but the 9th crusade right before ww1 would be epic
4:31 I cannot express in words how silly this man’s head looks. He’s maintaining such a stoic face whilst looking like Sir Rectangle.
I think the most unrealistic part of the self-admitted unrealistic stuff would be Britain joining a crusade against the Ottomans just because His Holiness declared one. It's as though Richard Lionheart himself was back on the throne and overruled Britain's usual notion of using the Ottomans to counterbalance Russia.
What if the Two Sicilies unified Italy
What If the scramble for Africa never occurred
Probably Spain would have got morroco
France would still expand in west Africa Germany would get Congo because it was given to Belgium by the conference
Portugal would probably try to get the pink map
What if Africa was handled the American way? (According to History Matters, America suggested that the major rivers be considered "free trade zones" with the right of missionaries to proselytize as well. I don't know how this would look like if it happened though).
As an Italian, it was a Good video, although the Papal States was a pain in the ass for us. An idea for the next video: what if two sicilies did the thing? The kingdom was the richest and strongest militarily, with cannons, ships, gunpowder and men. Their coins wre made with gold in them. This kingdom had a HUGE chance of doing it.
I'd change 1 thing: Catholic Italy gets Catholic North Albania.
The video length thing was very creative, hope to see some more stuff like that.
More to come! I always strive to improve in any way possible!
@@rewriting-historyI also have an idea for a new stream : Chat create their own country.
Basically chat gets to chose where the country will be, its name, its ideology, it’s flag and stuff like that. Afterwards they’d have to see how long they could keep a stable country before collapse. You could also just do chat controls a country in millennium dawn.
@@Somewhatokgamer Good idea!
Thumbnail is on next level!! So creative🤯
Yoo really appreciate that!
the pope had done it! THE POPE MADE PIZZA LAND!
Also i have a video suggestion: what if Poland reformed at the time of Kossac uprising.
I think it would be cool but do what you want :>
Mussolini would definitely never abandon his public anti-clericalism in this world.
Yes but he would never take power.
Man work
Man see Rewriting History video
Man watch Rewriting History video
Classic, is this from my book lol? :D
@@rewriting-history haha sadly i dont read books, if i did i would absolutely check yours out tho!
Prussia’s armies were way more modern and more competente
But Austria is supported by France and Italy
@@rewriting-history Weapon support won't change the incompetent army. And France didn't had the Chassepot yet to counter the Dreyse, so militarically Prussia is still better off. Not to mention Prussia could also gain support from Britain (unlikely.. if it were to protect the balance), and Russia (to have a counter against Austria).
But I guess it makes a better video like that :)
@@rewriting-historyPrussia could have definitely been supported by britian or some other great power due to the massive threat those three would be
Rewriting History you are definitely my favorite alt history mapper. I love all your scenarios and like the creativity you have
prussia would have still won the brothers war
With the Pope and France supporting Austria? It may be too much for them I think
@@rewriting-historyi think that Prussia wouldn't be that stupid to attack the Austrian Empire and other kingdoms alone
@@alessandroroccaforte4515 Who even started the Brothers War? And I think it would be 50/50. If Italy and France send generals or something, strategically cutting off the main army when they push in, then yes. If they're unable to or don't realize their mistake then, never. Prussia's win was still decisive and a major victory. After all, that doesn't changes the fact of Prussia still having the Dreyse Rifle as a huge advantage.
@@rewriting-historyfrance supporting is unrealistic britain would intervene to keep the balance of power.
If it is Prussia against Austria they would still win even without Italy, but since the war wouldn't be as swift the peace treaty might be harsher.
If Austria had support from Italy and maybe even France, I think the Brothers war might not happen at all.
We could still see a northern German federation forming splitting Germany into north and south with Prussia focusing on influencing the Netherlands as by that point they would be seen as closer to the norther Germans than the south germans
Cool Video. Ive seen this as an suggestion by the community by doing a poll. KEEP THE GREAT WORK!!!!!!
I appreciate that! I am polling titles and this one won. Will do a lot more soon!
Ideas:
-What if Lucca United Italy
-What if Saxe Weimar-Eisenach United Germany
-What if Montenegro United Yugoslavia
-What if Asir, Upper Asir, Qatar, or Najran United Arabia
-What if the Ningxia Clique United China
-What if Cornwall United Britain
At most I will do what if Bavaria united Germany, or maybe Hannover. The Lucca Uniteding Italy is cool, maybe you got that from the coin? :D
@@rewriting-history This was a joke comment
@@rewriting-historyBut I do think Saxe Coburg and Gotha uniting Germany would be interesting since thats the same house that ruled Britain
It reminds me that once I was having an EU4 campaign and the Lucchese AI formed Tuscany and took over most of central and northern Italy.
“Did you do it?”
*sees Italy being holy
“Yes…”
“What did it cost?”
*sees German Empire not forming
“Everything…”
Macedonia becoming a lake truly is the solution to our problems in the balkans and i also noticed that the video is 18:48 long
Yes and yes! I hope you liked it!
Another Amazing video, good work Rewrite
I appreciate that! It was one of my favorite videos to work on! I don't know why, but I just really enjoyed it!
@@rewriting-history it's a topic not very discussed so I see why, you've made a good take on this to be fair
14:41 "Warning! Will sacrifice realism for an interesting scenario!"🤣 I hope you will print that on your merch?
At that point I have to. People misunderstand what my scenarios mean, so I need to make it clear
Another banger video as always
As a Vicky 3 enjoyer I love to hear you mention it durring a video that takes place in its timeline, whenever you makes videos around 1836-1936 I always just imagine the alt history being a game of Vicky 3
Very interesting if this would happend, so changed ww1 and many things. Anyway agajn perfect video
Glad you liked it! As a reminder it's not an accurate prediction, just a really interesting take
@@rewriting-history Of course but i like watching alt hist videos
Great video, I really like this one
I'm glad you liked it!
I find it interesting for the papal states to unite Italy, the map of Europe at the end is just unrealistic for compared to the normal one, you are in my top 10 favourite UA-camrs 🇷🇴👍
I appreciate that! This is what I stand for! I just want to make cool videos!
I love your content❤❤❤❤ and I have Idea for video:
What if was Prague capital city of Habsburg monarchy in 1526 (What if Ferdinand 1. fulfilled the promises made to him by the Czech nobles in 1526)
Idea for a possible future video: ,,What if Přemysl Otakar 2 won the battle on moravian field"
Could be very interesting scenario where alredy very powerfull Czech king would solidify his control on Austrian lands and the future Germanization of Czech lands could be switched to czechovation of Austria.
What do you think middle africa would look like? I mean there's no germany, and would belgium get congo?
Also, what do you think about the idea of Spain trading Libya for morocco with France?
Great video btw.
Oh yeah I forgot to mention that, but it was pointless thinking of how to do it. Maybe for another video if Germany never forms
What if Sigismund lll prevented the swedish civil war of 1598 and maintained the personal union between Sweden, Poland and Lithuania. Sigismund was pro-catholic so if his sucessors followed his lead the catholics could have won the Thirty years war.
Man I hate youtube rounding number otherwise the video would be 18 minutes and 49 seconds
Also can you make the music a little less loud? It makes you sometimes hard to hear
Bro is it not 18:49? On my screen it is....
@@rewriting-history Yeah idk why it isn't on my screen (but I may need to reload)
Love this idea. 👍
Really glad that you liked it!
This was good until we discussed Prussia like the Austrians even with some Italian support won’t win it wasn’t going to happen if Austria was the only one fully against Prussia then they have no hope of winning
This can be debated. Even if this is right, then nothing changes in terms of world history, just Italy is green on the map. I have to make something to make the video divert from our history.
the thumbnail fits perfectly with the video length
I appreciate that! I tried my best!
The 18:48 video length is such a wonderful detail!
Glad you liked it!
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Appreciate that very much!
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18 minutes and 48 seconds exactly that’s crazy
@@Whatisahandleguys i tried my hardest to make that a reality
You didnt mention how a weak prussia existing in place of germany would affect both the Treaty of Berlin (1878) and the Berlin Conference
I absolutely did not, so it's my bad
What if Austria formed Italy is the real question (maybe making it their puppet or just taking Italy in a whole which would be funny)
I had this idea and I asked the audience people weren't too interested
The fact that the video is 18:48 long💀
Based?
"How i started the 4th crusade in the 20th century"
What if Sweden won the Great Northern war
I highly doubt that Garibaldi, being the anticlerical that he was, would help the pope conquer the two sicilies, neither do I think the pope would help him like the Sardinian Kingdom did.
What if Portugal got whole Africa?
[I know seems unrealistic but I would wanna see such a timeline]
I have considered it, but my medieval knowledge is really poor, so I cannot tell you what would change
@@rewriting-history In the Berlin conference then? What if all the European powers were like "yes, Portugal, you can have all of Africa. After all, the pope did say it was all yours like 400 years ago". This would of course be ridiculous, but very funny indeed.
@@Maltheus_portugal gets a nat 20 for persuasion while everybody in the Berlin conference gets smashed drunk
What if, Bismarck was an Austrian and tried to help unify Germany AND Italy but under the Habsburgs, while abandoning Hungary and Illyria.
12:41 Most real part of the video
Lol
as a sicilian this is the best ending since the south would have never been looted and turned into a colony by the north and so the "Questione meridionale" would never been invented by savoy , meaning yes into a weaker north but into a south that is stable and prosperous. no mass emigration no poverty and most important No Mafia since the land owner would have been still under the state
W video, you're one of the best UA-camrs
Wow, thanks! One year ago I was a nobody, and now I am among the top UA-camrs according to you. This really means a lot!
@@rewriting-history You're for sure underrated. Poss. History and you and my fav. Alt. History channels, for sure! PH's are a bit longer but yours are short, funny and nicely made (in my opinion). You deserve atleast 50-100K at the end of the year ^^ (Idc how unlikely that is! )
@@rewriting-historyNo problem, your videos are just one of the best in this platform! Oh but by the way, I just wanna tell you that your mods on discord banned me for no valid reason
day 1 of asking please make a what if the US enterede the german side isntead of the british on 1917 (btw in this cenario italy will still join france/british side on 1915) do you think this would prevent germany to lose or will they still lose how much different the war would change if the US joined germany side idk if this cenario is unrealistic
That would incredibly strengthen the germans. When anything stays the same until 1917 and then the US enters, they could probably not directly contest the British navy but if their forces land on German or Austrian lands and move to the west front (after Russia capitulated) then Germany would gain a lot of resources and probably have enough men to successfully do their last offensive onto Paris, possibly ending France.
Maybe I'm also just too optimistic, but that's a problematic topic.
@@FriendlyUnknownUser yeah I was thinking something similar but I guess it the US on their side they would win the war
@@rubenfigueiredo4229 It's atleast possible. The british can still blockade the Central Powers, Canada however might fall to them though, even if they can't help Germany, etc.
But in the end, the US might annex Canada and the Central powers treaty might be mediated by them.
@@FriendlyUnknownUser got it, it is really an interesting scenario
What if Poland-Lithuania did not drive back the Turks at Vienna?
18:48 Perfect time For the video! Well done🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
On my screen it shows as 18:49. UA-cam is slightly bugged, but I hope it is fixed
holy italian empire fr fr
Damn right
Nice video, very well thought out, but I honestly think that it would never have happened that the Italian irredendists would have agreed to give up Italian-speaking territories such as Istria, Dalmatia and Trentino so easily, especially in a timeline where they won against Austria, at the same time, in my opinion, the Pope would hardly have pulled out of the scramble for Africa giving up on evangelizing those territories but rather the Catholic nations would have given more territories such as Tunisia to ingratiate themselves with the Pope and rather than a confederation, agreements would have been made for a federation which by definition is much more unitary after all that was what the Italians wanted and finally I don't think that the Habsburg-Este and the Habsburgs of Tuscany would have remained because of the distrust of the Italians especially thinking back to moments like when Francis I of Tuscany gave a large part of the Florentine works of art to Emperor Ferdinand I, making enemies of the city.Aside from these details the video is quite realistic and accurate
Next video: two Sicilies
What if 1984 by george orwell happened after wwii?
If you have any video about it, give link
I find it nigh impossible that Italian nationalists would accept the loss of Milan if not Venice. Edit: I am pretty sure the Pope was not inherently opposed to a Parliament since he allowed one. His problem was the fact a murder went unmentioned.
The video length 💀
Isn't it based tho?
I think it would be very likely for Austria to try and form Germany by themselves under their identity. Maybe even abandon Hungary and "Illyria" and turn to a greater German "Catholic" Confederation under the Habsburgs in such a timeline. But that's just a little idea. ;)
no way, vic 3 reference in a rewriting history video
perfect video length
A Vatican run Italy, as it should be. *Makes happy sounds in devout Catholic*.
How tf is there a crusade in the 19th hundred
It's a meme :D
I seriously doubt that the austrians would win the brothers war
Well if they lose, then we have the historical scenario, but italy gets to keep Nice and Savoy, being ruled by the Pope. WW1 might be altered, but I already have a video on Central Powers Italy, so I wanted to do something original
@@rewriting-history Well, ww1 *could* be altered.. but if the pope stays in power, Germany would maybe find France, Italy and Austria unite in a tri-partie against them. Britain and Russia would then likely support the germans for the reason that Russia wasn't happy of Austria and Britain would (if, even) to remain a balance of power. Meaning the three powerhouses will very likely win. Yes it doesn't changes anything up before WW1 (aside the mentioned Crusade, etc.). How it would then look is hard to tell, but that's how I see it.
One of the best timelines ever seen, I’d love to live in this universe 🇻🇦🇮🇹✝️
What if Germany was unification in 1848 ?
It's on the list!
I really doubt Prussia would be defeated in the Austro-Prussian war, since the Prussian army was MUCH BETTER than the Austrian one, and besides, the Italians performed very poorly in that war, and another, it was Prussia who ended the war, not Italy, The Prussians could very well arrive in Vienna in our reality, but Bismarck refused, It makes no sense for Prussia to lose this war, even without Italy as an ally
I agree as I may have overlooked it, but I think the way I went made for a FAR more interesting scenario. Still in the video I made France and Italy support Austria, so it was very much possible.
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Why should Prussia not win against Austria without Italy? It would be a tougher fight, but thats it.
I love your creativity, I should write that doqn
What if British Hanover united Germany (and stayed with britain)?
If it includes Prussian Territory (somehow) then it would be quite the powerhouse. Especially with Britain supporting them.
I dont see how prussia would lose the brothers war and especialky dont think they would let a histotic ally just be partitioned by catholic austria and france.
I think Prussia Should have gotten less in the scramble for Africa as in this scenario they are not a great power
Communist Moldova alternate history? (in like a month or two because you work really hard on these videos.)
What if Bavaria United Germany?
It's on the list! I think it may be the next one!
It exists a channel called GlobeaddictDavid that sounds exactly like you:)
what if italy united in 1453?
Videntis already made it, why would I copy him?
@rewriting-history I didn't know, sorry,wbt a scenario where egypt successfully industrialised and modernized?
Like how the video is 18:48 minutes
It's bugged.... It is 18:49 on the thumbnail but when you click it, it becomes 18:48
@@rewriting-history sadly that bug has been there for like 1-2 years now
In a few words, a better Italy.
Well, depends on how you look at it. I made them better for the sake of the video
Austria have no chance against Prussia even whit Italy and France support Prussia gonna smash Austria. Prussia has the strongest Military by far the only way for Prussia to lose the Austrian Prussian is when France joins directly the war no other chance. And Italy was very weak at the time and was not Importen for the Austrian Prussian war because there was so weak
I think it's a bit too much for Prussia to take Italy, France, and Austria at the same time. On top of that, if Austria were starting to lose, France would enter Prussia through their shared border and destroy them.
No Vatican City Then 😢
Vatican Penninusla?
counterpoint:
Italians _hated_ the pope.
What if the Minor German states united in 1848 without Prussia or Austria
please video on if decembrists succeded
Video idea: What if the Muslims weren’t kicked out of Iberia
I dont think thta prussia would lose in the brothers war bc Italy fought rly bad and prussia at the time had an technologucal edge(they used the "Zündnadelgewehr"=needle gun or Dreyse gun which at the time nobody used and which was only integrated in the other european armies after the war) and far better trained soldiers.
(Sry if my english is bad)
I understand that, but please remember that Austria is supported by France and Italy. Sure Prussia is strong, but they cannot beat 3 great powers
@@rewriting-historyWhy would prussia start a war bismark knows they cant win without uk or russia supporting them
@@rewriting-history they wouldn't have to. After Austria gets beaten a bit the others would have to back off I guess
Could you do a short what if france dont form the popular front
What If The Uprising Of Tsar Ivaylo Was Succesfull?
I have considered this so much I think it's time to make a video on it!
Yeah coin shown lets go
Based coin?
can you do what if sicilly united italy
What are those borders of sardinia piedmont...
Cruzade for Constantinopula XD
What if Liechtenstein formed Germany
Bruh man I see what ya did there 1848 man
Ayo I'm so good
Germanys rise is inevitable. They won against in mere weeks it practically didnt matter that the italians participated. They wouldve won with our without papal support it would take longer maybe but thats. Its the same case with france. Both austria and france couldnt really out strategise the prussians.
I only see them losing if all three nations fought them
anyone realised this video is 18 minutes and 49 seconds?
I did!