stormwatcher59 Isn't it "Decline And Fall of The Roman Empire"??? Do u know who wrote it, by chance?? I've heard it 📖 quoted all my life, (or so it seems), but have never read it - Yet. 📖
Rosela B Deists believe in God and often the Bible, but generally reject organized religion. Ben Franklin & Thomas Jefferson were two Deists of several amongst America's Founding Fathers. I'll leave THEIST for another time so as not to answer erroneously tonight.
That is a very common transition actually... Theism : believe in god + miracles that keep a close management over everything. Deist : God , - miracles and don't keep a close attention to things Atheism - No god ( atleast the religious version of ) , no miracles therefore no sin , no reward nor punishment holds valid. My transition are : Apatheism ->theism ( out of fear ) -> Deism -> Apatheism ( again) -> Atheism ( caused very similar to all the mythologies I've read in a book named : World mythology and the fact of noticing that organized religions are hypocritical in nature e.g killing .) then introduction to Carlin , Maher , DM2525 , Dawkins , Hitchens , Harris etc...strengthen my atheism.
eeeh Jesus is *okay* as a role model. Hercules though, that was a guy we can look up to. Saving people, killing multiheaded serpents, etc. He wasn't afraid to stand up to a god or two either. What a guy!
Futrix Yeah, but Jesus can raise the dead and walk on water. Also revived after being killed. That's pretty badass if you ask me :) I would have to meet them to find out who i would rather make out with.
Futrix I actualy think jesus is not a really good role model. He condoned slavery... and if jesus really is yahwee in disguise like most christians believe then he committed or ordered a multitude of genocides... How about Siegfried from the Nibelungenlied (sry, i don´t really know how it is called in english) as a role model? He was kind, strong, fearless and always cared for the well-being of his friends.
Took me 20 years. I started doubting at the age of 10. At 30 I came to a conclusion. I was never religious but there was a degree of doubt. Not anymore, if people think about it this does not make any sense. Let me add I attended catholic school for 9 years.
+LukeKing Usually that's how it works, people typically open their eyes in the same second they start questioning, it's all it takes really, just question what the fuck is going on around you and somehow the answers will come to you.
I asked my mom two similar questions on the same day. Is Santa Real? My mom said "no." Is God real? Of course she said yes. That got me to start really questioning it then. I just kinda went a long period of time without giving a single shit. If you asked me during that time if I was religious, I'd shrug it off, and say "meh." That started when I was about 10 or 11. Even earlier than that when I was first being taught this bullshit, I specifically remember hearing, or reading (we had this thing called "The Children's Bible," still do) the flood story, and other stories from Genesis, and thinking "This is bullshit." That's probably not how I worded it, but it was something along those lines. Finally after all those years of basically just forgetting religion exists (my mom hasn't gone to church in years) it entered my consciousness again, and it was practically a snap decision. That is how I became an atheist.
+gumbeet You dont believe in the theory of evolution backed by incomplete but strong evidence yet you fully believe on everything you just said just because your local pastor and an ancient book said so? makes sense bruh, totally makes sense
I was raised a Christian, but I'm not one anymore. I'm actually kind of glad, to be honest. It's nice to be more informed, but it also kind of sucks because my whole family's Christian/Catholic/Lutheran and I can't tell my mom that I'm not a Christian anymore... Honestly, she told me that I could be lesbian, bi, trans or whatever, but she wouldn't tolerate it if I wasn't Christian. So, needless to say, I just act like I still believe for her sake. But oh yes, Bill Maher is freakin awesome
Sometimes you have to be a good actor in life to avoid trouble. I began to doubt at age 11 and by 12, I decided it is normal for ancient people to be superstitious. So I dumped christianity. That was over 30 years ago. My family knows I am an atheist. Science is the key to understanding the universe better. We are just biological machines.
+FunPheonix97 I know what you mean. I was baptised as a baby, went to a catholic school etc but as you get older you start to see through all that crap. I'd call myself an agnostic now but I wouldn't dare tell my family that, especially my mum.
+FunPheonix97 I can't go with you on pretending to be a Christian. I can understand avoiding the topic, just not faking who you are. Life is too short. Your mother won't die by the knowledge that you aren't a Christian.
+sonny sköld have you don't that??? were you that tough with your parents. I disliked my parent very much, I was raised a jehovahs witness, took so many years to get that cult / religion out of my head. now i'm a non-believer.
+Dave Gr and we have to stop thinking that being a non believer or atheist is a horrible thing!!! its ironic. I totally believe this life is our only life, I was lucky enough to not be involved in a war. I wish our president was an atheist, he would understand how precious this one life is. but our American presidents have to be Christians-people that have such a giant ego, that they cant believe that they can actually cease to exist. THEY ARE JUST TOO IMPORTANT!
I think he was a deist at this point. He later became atheist upon realization that a deist is an atheist that has trouble letting go of the concept of a god.
Bill said what I just realized 3 days ago. There is no friggin way Jesus would have been a Republican. Besides being Pro Life, there is nothing about the Republican Party that resembles Jesus's teachings
Well Yahweh definitely wasn't pro-life... Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure-or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure- 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[c] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing. 16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”- 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse-“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[d] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.” “‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.” 23 “‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[e] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children. 29 “‘This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband, 30 or when feelings of jealousycome over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the Lord and is to apply this entire law to her. 31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin.’” -Numbers 5: 11-31
Spirit Alight I missed you reply sorry. Tuam was run by a religious catholic order that loved jesus but hated unmarried mothers and their kids. And thought the best place for the babies was the septic tank. This was condoned and financed both by the state and the holy catholic church. We will never know the stories of the mothers and what they went through in these concentration camps of jesus. and the bodies were fucked into a mass grave. So more denial and lies and silence for our savoir jesus. He is one cool guy. These convent concentration camps were all over ireland and one was near where I live. But holy catholic do not want that mentioned.
I've never seen anyone point out the fact that the word "bible" comes from the Greek word βιβλιον (biblion), which means book. Everyone has been raving about "the Book" for a little too long IMO.
Back then, he did. You know. People can change their minds. Only morons never change their minds. Don't be afraid to change your mind and don't be suprised if others do either. The worst thing about politics is this: If someone changes his mind, he's regarded as a flip flopper. Well, that's actually a GOOD thing.
I won't lie, that sent alarm bells ringing for me too. I'm glad he finally shook off the brainwashing of his youth and made his own decisions, but it's very surprising to me somebody this intelligent, articulate and cynical took so long to come to a conclusion.
Snuffsaid2007 One important thing here is that many people who believ in god doesnt really believe in the god of the bible or the koran. They believe in a god they created themselfs in search of the meaning of life and why we are here. So people like bill here in this stage of his life was a believer but really not a religious person.
I went through a period of life after I left home and Catholic schools and went to college studying science where I thought all this God stuff was nonsense but then in my early 30s, with a better look at life under my belt, it was easier to see through the layers of crud that misunderstanding painted on God and Christianity and it's never seemed like nonsense to me since then. And I found that to be a very beautiful and interesting revolution for me.
Down deep, people know that the Bible is too fanciful and flawed with holes and cracks in logic of all sorts. But what else do they have? When you want hope and peace and happiness and solace so badly, you take it in whatever form they come from, even false ones.
False hope does not give peace or happiness. It gives asinine uncertainty and stupidity. REAL information, on the other hand, even if it's bad news, at least gives you REALITY. Human beings are able to face reality--if they don't fill their heads with asininity, false hope, and stupidity.
Two 17-18 year old Mormons came to my door yesterday. It was great fun. Of course, they had never even heard of Dawkins, Harris, Hitchen, or Dennett. This one kid keep telling me he had evidence of God, pointing to his book of Momon. I told him I had a degree in Philosophy, had taught high school social studies, and had been an atheist for over 50 years; and did he really think he could change my mind. I asked him if he believed in Thor, Baal, etc. and that when he understood why he didn't ....
Alex Kilgour -- And sixteen years ago, I was a questioning agnostic. But I was also 18 years old. I had always imagined he was atheist since at least the 80s.
I think Eddie Izzard, (or Ricky Gervais) was the one that said: Imagine that all religious texts dissapeared today, all religions. And everything started again from scratch; No religion would be the same as before. Imagine that all scientific literature would dissapear; no matter when all scientific investigation would produce again litterature; it would all remain exactly the same. It's the proof that religion is the product of the human being.
Jesus wasn't that good. *Matthew 15:4* “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” *Matthew **10:34** - 37* “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn “‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law- a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. *Revelation **2:22**-23* Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.
Welcome to the real world Mary,not so scary is it? Bet all your morals are still intact,happy,friendly,kind right? It was you,not some ancient superstitious book.I just cant imagine a Heaven full of religious people could ever be peaceful,they were never peaceful here,thats for sure lol Mary you have truly seen the light,congrats!!!
Depending on how you look at it, the bible can either be a comedy, or an instruction booklet on how to torcher someone through manipulation. For intellectual people, it can't be interpreted any other way.
@@anitamann9217 _torcher_ is a cooler spelling imo. I wouldn't r/boneappletea it. And it's flexible as it can also be applied to medieval Christians. 😋
Cynicism doesn't make people less stupid. It just weighs you down with the problems of the world and keeps you unhappy and unconstructive. Negative thinking doesn't make the world a better place any more than prayer does; both are a way to occupy your mind whilst keeping you busy from doing good.
I'll try breaking this down again. A) People are people. At the end of the day our brains are wired the same way to the same set of impulses, reactions, and desires. Stalin extended to the people of Russia the offer of an ideal world for simple obedience and death for defiance. B) The free market does not result in utopia for EVERYONE. That's the point of communism, the free market believes the rich will succeed. Which is life today C) EARTH DAY IS ABOUT STOPPING CLIMATE CHANGE
It's great to see pre-atheist Bill. Still just as rational and intelligent. He finally took the step and decided that 'God', even in the Deist sense, is no more than a delusion of grandeur.
I really don't think it is any more complicated than looking up what the world was like before you were born, or imagining what is going on in Japan right now (assuming you are not in Japan). You die, you're gone, your influence lives on in others too some degree, and when their gone their influence lives on in still others, and so forth, but as for your individual consciousness you think of as "YOU", that's over. And really, that's how it should be. It's no more scary than before being born.
Stalin did not commit mass murder in the name of atheism. But he did use the same logic as religion to commit these murders. Also, Stalin Mao and others did show us that just because someone is atheist, does not mean they are more wise and just. Bill Maher would have us believe the opposite.
To put the "God created the Solar system in 5 days and made the rest of the universe as an afterthought" in perspective, it's like if you were writing a story about creating the Earth and spent 5 days on a single atom in a the brain of an ant and then on day 6 quickly built the Earth around it.
The point I was trying to make is that religion gives people something they need. A belief in something greater than themselves. When they no longer believe in god, they simply transfer that belief to something else. Lenin and Stalin became the new gods, the communist party became like the bible. You simply did not question the wisdom of the party. When soviet leaders gave speeches they talked about the wisdom of Lenin in the same way Christians talk about the wisdom of Jesus
There is a massive difference between christianity and religion.. One is a relationship, the other is a belief and following. You figure out which one you belong to.
every one goes from religion to agnostik and then totlly atheism, is like natural change. is a intersting revolution for a person, very beautiful, i dont know if you have ever try it. same thing may have happen to bill
I had that kind of a long way since childhood with religion\god issue, I just kept thinking "if this is (this), but (this) doesn't appear in any shape or form.. and whatever I do I dont just see or hear anything.. how is (this) anyhow affecting me?"
I agree with almost everything you wrote. The fact he made both statements makes me interpret it the way he doesn't follow a religion since he criticized somewhere else religion for being ''bureaucracy'' on the one hand. On the other hand he surely regards stories of talking snakes as fairy tales. But especially the statement ''give him a lot more credit'' compared to his religion criticism makes me suppose he believes in a different, not-fairy-tale-like and maybe non-personal, abstract God.
"I personally find it easier to believe" well equally, I personally find it easier to believe in santa than "everything came from nothing," does that make the easier to comprehend belief right? such is the nature of the concept of gods; they've always been imagined to exist in things humans don't understand. like you, humans once said "I personally find it easier to believe god threw lightening bolts in anger than some theory of charged particles no one understands... yet." this is no different.
I'll be brief Religion=Believing in any god or supernatural superior being Spirituality=Believing in any god or supernatural superior being whatever they might be or whatever form it might have.
Bill makes the most important point a lot of people simply don't understand. God is by definition unknowable. Like big time unknowable. Something that's not even remotely close to your realm of your thinking. Any human description or characteristic placed on God is proof that it is man who created that god, not the other way around.
All I can say about the whole ark thing and how it wouldn't even be possible to do that today with all the cars, trucks, planes, ships, etc we have available to us... It would be impossible just to get two of every type of spider in one place...
we almost always think we're smart enough to just "know" if something is natural or not, which is why we come to wrong conclusions like "god did it." we're not even smart enough to come up with acurate questions, it's hardly surprising the answers bear no relation to reality. Q- "life/the universe/everything is complex, something must have made it that way, what could it have been?" A - 42.
The only thing related to what was being said was "Bill is Anti-Religion" which even then, I said he "believed" (past-tense), meaning, I already knew that he "is" (current tense).
Most of them were pretty agnostic. Einstein preferred agnostic over being called atheist because of humility. Most would say they don't know either way so they will just be agnostic.
Not weird no, i think you're on the right track :P Just keep listening and thinking about what you're hearing and soon you'll realize why you're laughing
man invented thousands of gods LONG before the wheel... ironically it was our lack of understanding things that encouraged us to think we did understand such things like "existence."
Well, there is wisdom in religions. Like the golden rule (treat others like you would want to be treated yourself). However, that is, once again, not limited to religion. That is just wisdom. And as for the golden rule, it was Confucius who came up with that, long before the bible or koran were written.
I don't know why Maher isn't a more well known part of the atheist community. I know he's not atheist, but his anti religion arguments are some of the best, leveling with Dawkins and Hitchens.
"if people give up christian belief they give up the right to christian morality" well that statement would only hold any weight if "morality" was actually only a christian thing, and we can safely conclude that non-christians and people who've never heard of christianity, still know right from wrong, since it's instinctive; god given or not.
Society systemizes humans into thinking a certain way. That's how society runs. We tend to believe certain things, blindly following others, not realizing how ridiculous it is to treat a fantasy story as fact.
"Religion was invented when the first con-man met the first fool".
Mark Twain
19monk53 lol! like the way you put it.
"religion is regarded true by the common, false by the wise, and useful to the rulers"
fall and decline of the roman empire
"What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!" Pope Leo X.
stormwatcher59
Isn't it "Decline And Fall of The Roman Empire"???
Do u know who wrote it, by chance??
I've heard it 📖 quoted all my life, (or so it seems), but have never read it - Yet. 📖
Alleycat 27
When did Pope Leo X live?
I love how you can see bill maher's transition from Theist, to Deist, to Atheist.
Hunter Frank Not all that surprising.
Hunter Frank ty^ i was just like wait wut? is he plugging out some deistic thoughts?
Rosela B Deists believe in God and often the Bible, but generally reject organized religion. Ben Franklin & Thomas Jefferson were two Deists of several amongst America's Founding Fathers.
I'll leave THEIST for another time so as not to answer erroneously tonight.
That is a very common transition actually...
Theism : believe in god + miracles that keep a close management over everything.
Deist : God , - miracles and don't keep a close attention to things
Atheism - No god ( atleast the religious version of ) , no miracles therefore no sin , no reward nor punishment holds valid.
My transition are : Apatheism ->theism ( out of fear ) -> Deism -> Apatheism ( again) -> Atheism ( caused very similar to all the mythologies I've read in a book named : World mythology and the fact of noticing that organized religions are hypocritical in nature e.g killing .)
then introduction to Carlin , Maher , DM2525 , Dawkins , Hitchens , Harris etc...strengthen my atheism.
Nah. I generally like the guy, but it was cowardice. He was always an atheist, just took his time going on the record.
I'm not religious but my parents are, I can't tell them about it because i need them to pay for my college education
Hanna Solis u r brave you can get thru this I know it’s torture
Same
Sorry..
As long as you don't take away anyone's rights because of your family's beliefs you should be fine;)
Same here haha
eeeh Jesus is *okay* as a role model. Hercules though, that was a guy we can look up to. Saving people, killing multiheaded serpents, etc. He wasn't afraid to stand up to a god or two either. What a guy!
Futrix Hercules did kill his own wife and children.
Futrix Yeah, but Jesus can raise the dead and walk on water. Also revived after being killed. That's pretty badass if you ask me :) I would have to meet them to find out who i would rather make out with.
Futrix I actualy think jesus is not a really good role model. He condoned slavery... and if jesus really is yahwee in disguise like most christians believe then he committed or ordered a multitude of genocides...
How about Siegfried from the Nibelungenlied (sry, i don´t really know how it is called in english) as a role model? He was kind, strong, fearless and always cared for the well-being of his friends.
+KingQwertzlbrmpf Game point. Cheers
+KingQwertzlbrmpf toucha, bro. I see it same way
"You know he's a single parent.. who writes books and gets pissed!" 🤣
800.000 species of insects? Current estimates say between 6 and 10 million. Though this only makes Bill's point even more valid.
This clip is from almost 17 years ago. The data was likely way different then
Fair enough, that's probably the case
Bianka Pál IS an interesting factoid - about the vast # of insects.
I appreciate the way Bill Maher made one think things through during this era...
Isn't there like over 5,000 species of beetles alone?
According to the Smithsonian website, there are about 900,000 species of insects.
*I miss old days when comedians were free to joke* !!!
Bullshit. They still are.
Took me 20 years. I started doubting at the age of 10. At 30 I came to a conclusion. I was never religious but there was a degree of doubt. Not anymore, if people think about it this does not make any sense. Let me add I attended catholic school for 9 years.
I started questioning at 13, stopped believing at 13.
+LukeKing Usually that's how it works, people typically open their eyes in the same second they start questioning, it's all it takes really, just question what the fuck is going on around you and somehow the answers will come to you.
I asked my mom two similar questions on the same day. Is Santa Real? My mom said "no." Is God real? Of course she said yes. That got me to start really questioning it then. I just kinda went a long period of time without giving a single shit. If you asked me during that time if I was religious, I'd shrug it off, and say "meh." That started when I was about 10 or 11. Even earlier than that when I was first being taught this bullshit, I specifically remember hearing, or reading (we had this thing called "The Children's Bible," still do) the flood story, and other stories from Genesis, and thinking "This is bullshit." That's probably not how I worded it, but it was something along those lines. Finally after all those years of basically just forgetting religion exists (my mom hasn't gone to church in years) it entered my consciousness again, and it was practically a snap decision. That is how I became an atheist.
Heywood Yabloome True.
Justice Equality took u 20 years? :| seriously?eh late is better than never
God made Eve because the animals were complaining. The sheep were especially annoyed.
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God really needed a gardener?
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Fucking lazy ass angels.
+gumbeet You dont believe in the theory of evolution backed by incomplete but strong evidence yet you fully believe on everything you just said just because your local pastor and an ancient book said so? makes sense bruh, totally makes sense
+Thomas Thornhill LMFAO!!!
+gumbeet lol bruh ur dumb
I was raised a Christian, but I'm not one anymore. I'm actually kind of glad, to be honest. It's nice to be more informed, but it also kind of sucks because my whole family's Christian/Catholic/Lutheran and I can't tell my mom that I'm not a Christian anymore... Honestly, she told me that I could be lesbian, bi, trans or whatever, but she wouldn't tolerate it if I wasn't Christian. So, needless to say, I just act like I still believe for her sake. But oh yes, Bill Maher is freakin awesome
Sometimes you have to be a good actor in life to avoid trouble. I began to doubt at age 11 and by 12, I decided it is normal for ancient people to be superstitious. So I dumped christianity. That was over 30 years ago. My family knows I am an atheist.
Science is the key to understanding the universe better. We are just biological machines.
+FunPheonix97 I know what you mean. I was baptised as a baby, went to a catholic school etc but as you get older you start to see through all that crap. I'd call myself an agnostic now but I wouldn't dare tell my family that, especially my mum.
+FunPheonix97
I can't go with you on pretending to be a Christian. I can understand avoiding the topic, just not faking who you are. Life is too short. Your mother won't die by the knowledge that you aren't a Christian.
+sonny sköld have you don't that??? were you that tough with your parents. I disliked my parent very much, I was raised a jehovahs witness, took so many years to get that cult / religion out of my head. now i'm a non-believer.
+Dave Gr and we have to stop thinking that being a non believer or atheist is a horrible thing!!! its ironic. I totally believe this life is our only life, I was lucky enough to not be involved in a war. I wish our president was an atheist, he would understand how precious this one life is. but our American presidents have to be Christians-people that have such a giant ego, that they cant believe that they can actually cease to exist. THEY ARE JUST TOO IMPORTANT!
Bill isn't an atheist here. woah
+Carlos Betancourt agnostic
I think he was a deist at this point. He later became atheist upon realization that a deist is an atheist that has trouble letting go of the concept of a god.
maybe he just didn't think his audience was ready for that kind of show
stephen tarr Possibly, but from what I've seen of Maher he doesn't seem the type to keep his opinions to himself, lol.
Carlos Betancourt i think he switched, but deism and theism are incredibly different, so it doesn't really matter.
Bill said what I just realized 3 days ago. There is no friggin way Jesus would have been a Republican. Besides being Pro Life, there is nothing about the Republican Party that resembles Jesus's teachings
Jesus would have been a socialist like Einstein. Jesus was like the anti republican.
Jesus seemed like such a beautiful person and capitalist assholes as Reagan takes advantage of it
Well Yahweh definitely wasn't pro-life...
Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure-or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure- 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[c] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.
16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”- 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse-“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[d] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”
“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”
23 “‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[e] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.
29 “‘This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband, 30 or when feelings of jealousycome over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the Lord and is to apply this entire law to her. 31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin.’”
-Numbers 5: 11-31
But thats ok,because theres no Jesus
music-obsessed vegan atheist ~ wow, that's some seriously fucked-up shit!
More of Bill is what we need.
More Jesus. Less Bill.
I think that Tuam proves that jesus is no better than hitler
How so? What do you know about Tuam, and how does that even apply to Jesus whatsoever?
Spirit Alight
I missed you reply sorry. Tuam was run by a religious catholic order that loved jesus but hated unmarried mothers and their kids. And thought the best place for the babies was the septic tank. This was condoned and financed both by the state and the holy catholic church. We will never know the stories of the mothers and what they went through in these concentration camps of jesus. and the bodies were fucked into a mass grave. So more denial and lies and silence for our savoir jesus. He is one cool guy. These convent concentration camps were all over ireland and one was near where I live. But holy catholic do not want that mentioned.
He is a dick too, He thinks he's a Jew, he does not even know who the jews were, stupid fuck.
I never realized he was raised Catholic! Totally thought he had a Jewish background.
So THAT's what it is about him! Ethnically Jewish, WAS Catholic, IS atheist in 2017. Got it! Thanks.
+zack waterman I know, dear, I'm Jewish.
C.K. Brooke Ditto
Zack waterman, jezus was a jew. Read your fairytale book.
C.K. Brooke. His mom was Jewish
I've never seen anyone point out the fact that the word "bible" comes from the Greek word βιβλιον (biblion), which means book. Everyone has been raving about "the Book" for a little too long IMO.
*2:00** "I believe in God, but..." Wait what?!?*
Back then, he did. You know. People can change their minds. Only morons never change their minds. Don't be afraid to change your mind and don't be suprised if others do either.
The worst thing about politics is this: If someone changes his mind, he's regarded as a flip flopper. Well, that's actually a GOOD thing.
I won't lie, that sent alarm bells ringing for me too.
I'm glad he finally shook off the brainwashing of his youth and made his own decisions, but it's very surprising to me somebody this intelligent, articulate and cynical took so long to come to a conclusion.
Either Deist or he said ''I *believeD* in god, but...''
I was shocked too. Whattttttttt
Snuffsaid2007 One important thing here is that many people who believ in god doesnt really believe in the god of the bible or the koran. They believe in a god they created themselfs in search of the meaning of life and why we are here.
So people like bill here in this stage of his life was a believer but really not a religious person.
Doesn't Bill look like Ryan Stiles from "Whose line is it anyway" ?
Ryan Stiles is "Herb Melnyk" in TAAHM, right? Absolutely!
Cannot believe I read this as I was thinking it 😂
I went through a period of life after I left home and Catholic schools and went to college studying science where I thought all this God stuff was nonsense but then in my early 30s, with a better look at life under my belt, it was easier to see through the layers of crud that misunderstanding painted on God and Christianity and it's never seemed like nonsense to me since then. And I found that to be a very beautiful and interesting revolution for me.
What is the difference between Christianity and the Islam?
Coca Cola, Pepsi Cola ...
Frank Meier Kuka Kula. Bebsi Kula.
Thank God and praise Jesus for creating Bill Maher! :))
Secular Humanist Thank the greeks for creating Zeus!
Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster for creating dinner!
william smith What if I don't eat spaghetti?
Then just eat the meatballs and the delicious sauce. Or enjoy a different dish. TFSM says everything on the menu is yummy. R'amen!
Down deep, people know that the Bible is too fanciful and flawed with holes and cracks in logic of all sorts. But what else do they have? When you want hope and peace and happiness and solace so badly, you take it in whatever form they come from, even false ones.
False hope does not give peace or happiness. It gives asinine uncertainty and stupidity. REAL information, on the other hand, even if it's bad news, at least gives you REALITY. Human beings are able to face reality--if they don't fill their heads with asininity, false hope, and stupidity.
@@jilliansmith7123 They is a saying called ~ idiot's happiness .
Two 17-18 year old Mormons came to my door yesterday. It was great fun. Of course, they had never even heard of Dawkins, Harris, Hitchen, or Dennett. This one kid keep telling me he had evidence of God, pointing to his book of Momon. I told him I had a degree in Philosophy, had taught high school social studies, and had been an atheist for over 50 years; and did he really think he could change my mind. I asked him if he believed in Thor, Baal, etc. and that when he understood why he didn't ....
WTF Bill Maher admitting to believing in God? How long ago was this?
According to the description 16 years. That said, I was a deist 16 years ago, now I'm an Atheist.
Alex Kilgour -- And sixteen years ago, I was a questioning agnostic. But I was also 18 years old. I had always imagined he was atheist since at least the 80s.
same , the only problem i was 3 years old 16 years ago
Gringo Show I think he was lieing about believing in god because of the backlash he could have received before he worked for hbo
Brann
I would believe that.
I think Eddie Izzard, (or Ricky Gervais) was the one that said: Imagine that all religious texts dissapeared today, all religions. And everything started again from scratch; No religion would be the same as before. Imagine that all scientific literature would dissapear; no matter when all scientific investigation would produce again litterature; it would all remain exactly the same.
It's the proof that religion is the product of the human being.
It was Ricky Gervais.
"what is God, Bonanza?"
Me: I love Bonanza
Jesus isnt Republican. God is. Best line ever.
Jesus wasn't that good.
*Matthew 15:4*
“He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.”
*Matthew **10:34** - 37*
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn “‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law- a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
*Revelation **2:22**-23*
Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.
Great, great speech, Bill-let me know if you run for President! I`ll vote for you!
oh my imaginary friend , bill maher said he believes in god....
It was a joke ...
I also was raised catholic so I get it I had to re-program myself, but Bill you crack me up 😂
Welcome to the real world Mary,not so scary is it? Bet all your morals are still intact,happy,friendly,kind right? It was you,not some ancient superstitious book.I just cant imagine a Heaven full of religious people could ever be peaceful,they were never peaceful here,thats for sure lol Mary you have truly seen the light,congrats!!!
Depending on how you look at it, the bible can either be a comedy, or an instruction booklet on how to torcher someone through manipulation. For intellectual people, it can't be interpreted any other way.
So intellectual that you can't spell the word torture
@@anitamann9217 _torcher_ is a cooler spelling imo. I wouldn't r/boneappletea it. And it's flexible as it can also be applied to medieval Christians. 😋
Cynicism doesn't make people less stupid. It just weighs you down with the problems of the world and keeps you unhappy and unconstructive. Negative thinking doesn't make the world a better place any more than prayer does; both are a way to occupy your mind whilst keeping you busy from doing good.
Bill Maher's comedy does not exist.
Bill will send you to hell from saying such things. He is the lord and saver and he loves you. prase Bill Maher!!!
Silly.
so is your reasoning behind your comment
I don't recall disclosing my reason for the comment.
No, I don't think my sense of humor is at fault. (Laugh Out Loud) See...I laughed.
I'll try breaking this down again.
A) People are people. At the end of the day our brains are wired the same way to the same set of impulses, reactions, and desires. Stalin extended to the people of Russia the offer of an ideal world for simple obedience and death for defiance.
B) The free market does not result in utopia for EVERYONE. That's the point of communism, the free market believes the rich will succeed. Which is life today
C) EARTH DAY IS ABOUT STOPPING CLIMATE CHANGE
It's great to see pre-atheist Bill. Still just as rational and intelligent. He finally took the step and decided that 'God', even in the Deist sense, is no more than a delusion of grandeur.
He knows more about the Christian religion than most Christians I know smh
I really don't think it is any more complicated than looking up what the world was like before you were born, or imagining what is going on in Japan right now (assuming you are not in Japan). You die, you're gone, your influence lives on in others too some degree, and when their gone their influence lives on in still others, and so forth, but as for your individual consciousness you think of as "YOU", that's over. And really, that's how it should be. It's no more scary than before being born.
The only difference between the bible and childhood fairy tale books is that the fairy tales are much more fun to read.
i cant help but notice how nice that shirt is
Stalin did not commit mass murder in the name of atheism. But he did use the same logic as religion to commit these murders. Also, Stalin Mao and others did show us that just because someone is atheist, does not mean they are more wise and just. Bill Maher would have us believe the opposite.
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Indeed, I was being a pedantic bore, but I was watching Maher because I enjoy him.
To put the "God created the Solar system in 5 days and made the rest of the universe as an afterthought" in perspective, it's like if you were writing a story about creating the Earth and spent 5 days on a single atom in a the brain of an ant and then on day 6 quickly built the Earth around it.
Why does he talk like Woody from Toy Story? Lol
My exwife made me realize that religion is bullshit. She calls herself christian but damn, she is really cold hearted. I am lucky to be alive now.
As Carl Sagan said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".
I have come to regard religion as socially accepted psychosis. The distance between religion and insanity is amount of followers they enjoy.
This is pretty cool. At his roots he is a spontaneous stream of consciousness comedian. He's kind of a pup here, but you can tell he's got it.
The point I was trying to make is that religion gives people something they need. A belief in something greater than themselves. When they no longer believe in god, they simply transfer that belief to something else. Lenin and Stalin became the new gods, the communist party became like the bible. You simply did not question the wisdom of the party. When soviet leaders gave speeches they talked about the wisdom of Lenin in the same way Christians talk about the wisdom of Jesus
I de-progammed myself from Catholicism after 15 kids were shot dead in the school gym in Dumblane.
That crowd was hard, these are really good jokes
I Died at the Mad Libs joke lol
the metal eyebrow bit got me badly :)
There is a massive difference between christianity and religion..
One is a relationship, the other is a belief and following.
You figure out which one you belong to.
every one goes from religion to agnostik and then totlly atheism, is like natural change. is a intersting revolution for a person, very beautiful, i dont know if you have ever try it. same thing may have happen to bill
I had that kind of a long way since childhood with religion\god issue,
I just kept thinking "if this is (this), but (this) doesn't appear in any
shape or form.. and whatever I do I dont just see or hear anything..
how is (this) anyhow affecting me?"
Anyone else think that Bill here looks like a young Ryan Stiles? I half expect him to make a bald joke.
I believe in a magical bowl of floating Cheerios that got eaten for our sins.
I agree with almost everything you wrote. The fact he made both statements makes me interpret it the way he doesn't follow a religion since he criticized somewhere else religion for being ''bureaucracy'' on the one hand. On the other hand he surely regards stories of talking snakes as fairy tales.
But especially the statement ''give him a lot more credit'' compared to his religion criticism makes me suppose he believes in a different, not-fairy-tale-like and maybe non-personal, abstract God.
"I personally find it easier to believe"
well equally, I personally find it easier to believe in santa than "everything came from nothing," does that make the easier to comprehend belief right?
such is the nature of the concept of gods; they've always been imagined to exist in things humans don't understand.
like you, humans once said "I personally find it easier to believe god threw lightening bolts in anger than some theory of charged particles no one understands... yet."
this is no different.
Stevie Johnson actually blamed God for dropping a pass that would have won the game
oh man if i could only like this more then once
I'll be brief
Religion=Believing in any god or supernatural superior being
Spirituality=Believing in any god or supernatural superior being whatever they might be or whatever form it might have.
hear ,hear ,like a breath of fresh air .More !
"I believe in God, I just give him a lot more credit than this." 100% agreed.
this should be taught in every school in the world!!
George Carlin should of been the first recipient of the award.
NFL wide receiver Stevie Johnson actually got angry at God because he dropped what would have been a game winning touchdown
In Bill we trust.
When I first saw the title to this video, I thought it was by someone telling Bill Maher to be more cynical on religion. I wanted to see that.
Once they realize you are not one of them, they will kick you off anyhow!
Yeah, Bren good point. We're in agreement
Bill makes the most important point a lot of people simply don't understand. God is by definition unknowable. Like big time unknowable. Something that's not even remotely close to your realm of your thinking. Any human description or characteristic placed on God is proof that it is man who created that god, not the other way around.
All I can say about the whole ark thing and how it wouldn't even be possible to do that today with all the cars, trucks, planes, ships, etc we have available to us... It would be impossible just to get two of every type of spider in one place...
I would like to see bill debate a panel of people who've had nde's
@joseluissatan Bonanza was a western TV series. The main characters were a widowed father and his three sons. Check it out on Wikipedia.
we almost always think we're smart enough to just "know" if something is natural or not, which is why we come to wrong conclusions like "god did it."
we're not even smart enough to come up with acurate questions, it's hardly surprising the answers bear no relation to reality.
Q- "life/the universe/everything is complex, something must have made it that way, what could it have been?"
A - 42.
The only thing related to what was being said was "Bill is Anti-Religion" which even then, I said he "believed" (past-tense), meaning, I already knew that he "is" (current tense).
I missed that discussion between Jesus and John, is it on UA-cam. ?
Most of them were pretty agnostic. Einstein preferred agnostic over being called atheist because of humility. Most would say they don't know either way so they will just be agnostic.
Life is too short to waste any of it on trying to distinguish between one figment of the imagination and another.
personaly I believe that the bible just has stories with morals to show you how to be a better person.
have in mind that this was on 2000. Now he admits that there's no god
It's almost like Bill took this and turned it into his 2008 movie 'Religulous'.
He uses almost all of these jokes in it lol.
Freshhhhh1982: Ah, guilt. That's the ticket. What better way to control behavior than with guilt?
brilliant.. he actually got ppl to laugh at religion and politics.. 2 taboo's of common conversation..
The center of each Galaxy is a gigantic black hole. And we got quite a few Galaxies out there...
Not weird no, i think you're on the right track :P Just keep listening and thinking about what you're hearing and soon you'll realize why you're laughing
man invented thousands of gods LONG before the wheel...
ironically it was our lack of understanding things that encouraged us to think we did understand such things like "existence."
Well, there is wisdom in religions. Like the golden rule (treat others like you would want to be treated yourself). However, that is, once again, not limited to religion. That is just wisdom. And as for the golden rule, it was Confucius who came up with that, long before the bible or koran were written.
I don't know why Maher isn't a more well known part of the atheist community. I know he's not atheist, but his anti religion arguments are some of the best, leveling with Dawkins and Hitchens.
Quality point about fairy tales. They ARE morality tales.
But no-one blows up buses over Snow White...
Looks better with a tie.
i have been constipated for 4 days now.
"if people give up christian belief they give up the right to christian morality"
well that statement would only hold any weight if "morality" was actually only a christian thing, and we can safely conclude that non-christians and people who've never heard of christianity, still know right from wrong, since it's instinctive; god given or not.
wow i feel enlightened by this reaction to religion.
Science flies us to the moon, religion flies us into buildings
Society systemizes humans into thinking a certain way. That's how society runs. We tend to believe certain things, blindly following others, not realizing how ridiculous it is to treat a fantasy story as fact.
You're right, they have a similar face structure.
*offers some popcorn and watches the battle
5:30 today we do have Bill Oreilly blaming the end of his show on God though