Unbelievable. Why would Joseph speak from both sides of his mouth? While you say that he taught and practiced polygamy he was at the same time telling the women in Relief Society it was evil and told them not to do it. Yeah, no contemporary records, only papers long after his death.
@@ZionMedia_ Exactly. It would be better in my opinion that Joseph was an honest man of integrity and said he wasn't practicing polygamy and wasn't and have Brigham and those leaders after him to be practicing an abomination than to have Joseph as a liar. That would end it all for me.
To believe the LDS narrative on polygamy is to believe Joseph Smith was one of the greatest religious hypocrites known in the religious world considering what he said and did on record, in public, while he was alive. He, Hyrum, and Emma made every effort to condemn the practice in the strongest language possible.
@@phillipcook3430 A well-founded opinion based upon the evidence. You’ve won the lottery if you can find ANY instance of Joseph promoting polygamy in public, on record, while alive. NONE exist. But what I can find are dozen of examples where it was condemned by him and others while he was alive. To suggest the LDS narrative ISN’T hypocritical is flat out wrong.
Thank you Brian for sharing your research. Credible primary source information helps illuminate things in the shadows or not even know about. I appreciate your efforts over the years to get the best information. Lots of primary sourced material.
My husband just made a good point. He said: In the Old Testament the men didn't go out looking for more women but starting with Brigham the men were actively seeking more women without the consent of their wives. And many of them were still just children. No dear brothers, they were a bunch of hungry men with veracious appetites for women and young girls and crazy for power, control and wealth.
Remember Brian is our guest. We don't build Zion by making others feel unwelcomed. We will continue to have many guests like him with differing opinions. The important part is to find common ground where can and start from there.
@@brianstutzman5037 Are you saying that the Bible only abbreviated the accounts of polygamy when we are told that Sarah told Abraham to take Hagar so Sarah could have a child? That Jacob was tricked into polygamy and later his wives demanded that he take their handmaids to provide more children for themselves? That was a law of the land at that time and they took advantage of it. How could anyone know that God commanded these things to happen when there is no record of it? The Bible and the Book of Mormon are very clear that one man should have one wife. The Bible tells us that a man should cleave unto his "wife" and none other. Never do the scripture tell us that God commanded polygamy.
@Stutsman “ my wife, and I come through polygamy. The house of Israel comes to polygamy!“ The house of Israel also comes through slavery. Is slavery of God by the same standards? If you can’t show even one single example of God commanding somebody to take a plural wife, why do you assume the doctrine of many wives and concubines is from Jesus Christ? What motivates you to be a public advocate for the doctrine of many wives and concubines? You cannot demonstrate Joseph Smith ever teaching it. You cannot demonstrate God ever commanding it (outside of current section 132).
@@brianstutzman5037 Give it a try. I find Jacob Hansen more credible on Jiujitsu than on the doctrine of many wives and concubines. The house of Israel all comes through slavery. Yet you don’t claim that slavery is from God. Why do you claim the doctrine of many wives and concubines is from God?
@@icecreamladydriver1606 He said polygamy was taught at the council of 50 meeting, but then froze up and quickly moves past giving any citation where people can reach such a thing for themselves.
Brian Stutzman....knows his stuff....I have learned so much from him. So glad there are those such as him, that are deeply knowledgable and find their knowledge and research fully supports our Prophet...and all of our Leaders....and that the Church, and our history and heritage....is true, and glorious and honorable. Reading the comments here...any sincere Saint, who believes that God has always led the Restored Church through His Prophets....including Brigham Young of course...should know that the only Saints worth listening to...are those who are attacked by the Michelle Stonites as fools and "Brigham worshippers". Their rejection and opposition....is actually Heavenly Father's Seal of Approval! So well done, Brian! You qualify! Much love, and a mountain of respect for you, David Alexander
I believe that Joseph was sealing people to himself to form a line back to Christ. It want a marriage but adoption, therefore no children. Either Brigham did not have a clue what Joseph was doing or he let his carnal desires take over. Regarding Isaac practicing polygamy, i would need to see more evidence than just section 132.
We filmed a Pod yesterday and talk about that a lot. It seems the Historians are moving towards this “Dynastic Sealings” strategy and that Brigham & Joseph practiced a different polygamy
Porter had family in that part of Missouri and was visiting his family members. (He did not shoot Governor Boggs which is why he was acquitted). P.S. Joseph Smith did not send Porter to Missouri at that time.
@@rconger24 true. There are videos from Dave Butler on the Ward Radio and Stick of Joseph channels I've watched that talk about how the temple ceremonies and the Book of Mormon tie together. Pretty interesting. I was more referring to when it was formally introduced. We needed a temple first in order to perform it.
@@brianstutzman5037 Read the most correct book the Book of Mormon. Read Jacob 2 & 3 as an essay. Read these few below. Even when Joseph had the first translation they were not separated into verses obviously. If I were editing Jacob's English paper I would say these things in parenthesis so the reader understands what is being said. If a whole church gets it wrong, so could anyone! Please see the following 6 verses....the English paper. 25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph. (I like how you describe raising up a righteous branch as fruit. It could be confusing to some though, they may not understand. I'm glad later you describe the same thing as raising a righteous seed.) 26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old. (Do what like unto them of old?) 27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none; (I see that you answer it here, to not have more wives and concubines.) 28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts. (I like how you lay out plainly as God does.) 29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes. (One day they will see what happened to their people, it's a shame.) 30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people * (In this astrix spot like you said in verse 25 about leading a people forth out of the land; it will need to be said again. This is where in the 1800's - 2000's people will negate what was said (vs. 25) because they don't read properly anymore nor do they think leaving a land is a big deal or important because they move from place to place all the time and do not see the wickedness around them. They do not remember all throughout scripture the people were lead out to save them and then the wicked who were left were destroyed. You may have to tell them super plainly. A straight forward way is just restating your points like this, 30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people (to be lead out of the land); otherwise they shall hearken unto these things (of many wives and concubines). God does NOT authorize to "sometimes" delight in the chastity of women, "sometimes" to commit abominations and "sometimes" desire whoredoms. Do you see how ridiculous that sounds. You haven't prayed about this at all have you. You also see women as an object!
I’m not sure how a debate is going to help things guys. I’ve heard Michelle’s & Jacob’s best arguments. They have some hung dingers. The consequences of their theory is Grave if your LDS & understand what this would mean. I’ve heard Brian’s argument too. He 100% made me understand that Brigham had nothing to do with Joseph’s death. He also had some equal level hum diggers to back his point. On July 9th we will have Jacob Hansen on as well so I’m taking notes. I’m not thrilled with the idea of my official narrative was a grand conspiracy & im living a lie. 😭
@@brianstutzman5037 I most certainly do not believe 132 is scripture. I found this out through God, but keep up the unrighteous talking points with Brian and friends.
Ouch. I can respect your position Crissa. That’s a hard position for me to take…if he did do it, your saying that’s when we lost everything… Either way is a loss. What a Paradox
@@ZionMedia_ I'm saying it's possible, but Joseph most definitely brought forth the restoration, the Book of Mormon and much good. Honestly, I believe it is Brigham who brought on all the decay. In section 132, why is only the woman that will be "destroyed"? That word is also said 11 times! Do you think Joseph spoke this way? I don't.
This seems like an honest discussion, a historical spin (not a political or religious opinion spin). Some church history may seem very uncomfortable at times on the surface but through study and prayer you appreciate more their unique situation and realize it is not for us to judge but to learn about and appreciate the blessings we enjoy because of their decisions…
Priesthood went from Spirit direct unto Esaias by the hand of God; NOT MAN. Yet Melchizedek held priesthood in the same days as Esaias . TWO SEPARATE “chosen ones” BOTH legitimately holding priesthood at the same time and ONE receiving without the laying on of hands of man but instead receiving direct from God …. Then: From Melchizedek unto Abraham and Abraham unto Issac and Issac unto Jacob and then Jacob gives covenant promises unto the children of Jacob/Israel… THE PASSING OF COVENANT PROMISE. …the prayers of our righteous forefathers being answered not being in vain because of its good desire .
@@ZionMedia_ i rewrote that a little plainer. Point. Two can hold priesthood at same time from different regions. Can be received direct from God Spirit as did Esaias without the hands of man. {No one authorized was available unto Esaias (to lay hands)therefore God gave direct unto Esaias.}. This is not noticed. This Is written there for this reason of today to end controversy concerning the matter. To prove one can receive without the laying on of the hands of man and separate of that already possessing if the will of God desires to DO IT…that is…to give priesthood directly unto another separate of that which exists.
@@ZionMedia_ Are you talking to me? I don't understand what you are saying but I will answer the best I can if you explain. Keep in mind that I am old and not so quick witted as I once was.😏
Is this the guy that thinks Joseph smith was a liar? The same guy that rabidly and frantically comments on Michelle Stone’s videos because he can’t cope with his paradigm being shattered by facts?
@@ZionMedia_ I can't say which one it was but I am sure you could find it on his channel. I haven't watch a lot of them but it almost seems like it was the one where he was interviewing Adam Boyle but I could be wrong. It was really kind of sad but as I watch more of these kind of videos from others I am seeing the same pattern. It isn't a bunch of misfits so many are trying to say they are. These are people who have devoted their lives to the church and learn unpleasant truths. They still love God, the Book of Mormon and Joseph and believe firmly in all of them.
@@brianstutzman5037 Because I have an opinion and I stated it that makes me not LDS. Maybe I am not your version of LDS because I have found and accepted some very unpleasant truths But I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or a Mormon. President Hinkley said that Mormon means More-Good. I try to do more good.
Section 132 is so full of holes that you should be able to see right through it. Isaac wasn't a polygamist, Moses wasn't a polygamist he married the Etheopian woman after his wife had died, God did not approve of David and Solomon as is very clear in Jacob2.
@@brianstutzman5037 Actually brother, I am and have no intention of changing that but I recognize the mistakes that have been made and are being made. When God talks about cleaning things up He says that He will start with His own house first. Please respond to the comments that I have made because I am always searching for truth.
@@icecreamladydriver1606do you believe Brigham Young had the keys? Is the temple endowment required for exaltation? Just wondered where you are in your testimony to start a conversation
@@brianstutzman5037 According to the Book of Mormon you do not need the temple. Several references tell us that we need to repent and be baptized, care for our brothers and sisters and follow Christ. The Bible tells us that Christ said "What ye have seem me do you must do". I can't see how a wicked man could have any keys. I am just trying to figure everything out and if I find someone who can actually show me that I am wrong then I would find my way back to the believer I once was but I can't see that happening.
Unbelievable. Why would Joseph speak from both sides of his mouth? While you say that he taught and practiced polygamy he was at the same time telling the women in Relief Society it was evil and told them not to do it. Yeah, no contemporary records, only papers long after his death.
It’s a very very hard question to answer. Both of the answers aren’t great cause if either are true then I don’t like what that means
@@ZionMedia_ Exactly. It would be better in my opinion that Joseph was an honest man of integrity and said he wasn't practicing polygamy and wasn't and have Brigham and those leaders after him to be practicing an abomination than to have Joseph as a liar. That would end it all for me.
To believe the LDS narrative on polygamy is to believe Joseph Smith was one of the greatest religious hypocrites known in the religious world considering what he said and did on record, in public, while he was alive. He, Hyrum, and Emma made every effort to condemn the practice in the strongest language possible.
@@thereluctantwatchmanthat’s your opinion.
@@phillipcook3430 A well-founded opinion based upon the evidence. You’ve won the lottery if you can find ANY instance of Joseph promoting polygamy in public, on record, while alive. NONE exist. But what I can find are dozen of examples where it was condemned by him and others while he was alive. To suggest the LDS narrative ISN’T hypocritical is flat out wrong.
Thanks for having me on.
Amazing episode thank you 🙏🏻
Thank you Brian for sharing your research. Credible primary source information helps illuminate things in the shadows or not even know about. I appreciate your efforts over the years to get the best information. Lots of primary sourced material.
🙏🏻 thanks McGiver for lining up this amazing interview!!! U da man
My husband just made a good point. He said: In the Old Testament the men didn't go out looking for more women but starting with Brigham the men were actively seeking more women without the consent of their wives. And many of them were still just children. No dear brothers, they were a bunch of hungry men with veracious appetites for women and young girls and crazy for power, control and wealth.
Remember Brian is our guest. We don't build Zion by making others feel unwelcomed. We will continue to have many guests like him with differing opinions. The important part is to find common ground where can and start from there.
@@brianstutzman5037 Are you saying that the Bible only abbreviated the accounts of polygamy when we are told that Sarah told Abraham to take Hagar so Sarah could have a child? That Jacob was tricked into polygamy and later his wives demanded that he take their handmaids to provide more children for themselves? That was a law of the land at that time and they took advantage of it. How could anyone know that God commanded these things to happen when there is no record of it? The Bible and the Book of Mormon are very clear that one man should have one wife. The Bible tells us that a man should cleave unto his "wife" and none other. Never do the scripture tell us that God commanded polygamy.
@@ZionMedia_ I am sorry if I offended him but I can't see where I said something that would.
@Stutsman
“ my wife, and I come through polygamy. The house of Israel comes to polygamy!“
The house of Israel also comes through slavery. Is slavery of God by the same standards?
If you can’t show even one single example of God commanding somebody to take a plural wife, why do you assume the doctrine of many wives and concubines is from Jesus Christ? What motivates you to be a public advocate for the doctrine of many wives and concubines?
You cannot demonstrate Joseph Smith ever teaching it. You cannot demonstrate God ever commanding it (outside of current section 132).
Jacob Hansen answered this for you on Ward radio if you recall
We’ve got Jacob Hansen coming on next week & will be sure to address this issue with him….
@@brianstutzman5037
Give it a try.
I find Jacob Hansen more credible on Jiujitsu than on the doctrine of many wives and concubines.
The house of Israel all comes through slavery. Yet you don’t claim that slavery is from God. Why do you claim the doctrine of many wives and concubines is from God?
@@JacobIsBell I wish people would see through the fog but they are too convinced of the falsehoods.
@@icecreamladydriver1606
He said polygamy was taught at the council of 50 meeting, but then froze up and quickly moves past giving any citation where people can reach such a thing for themselves.
Brian Stutzman....knows his stuff....I have learned so much from him. So glad there are those such as him, that are deeply knowledgable and find their knowledge and research fully supports our Prophet...and all of our Leaders....and that the Church, and our history and heritage....is true, and glorious and honorable.
Reading the comments here...any sincere Saint, who believes that God has always led the Restored Church through His Prophets....including Brigham Young of course...should know that the only Saints worth listening to...are those who are attacked by the Michelle Stonites as fools and "Brigham worshippers". Their rejection and opposition....is actually Heavenly Father's Seal of Approval! So well done, Brian! You qualify!
Much love, and a mountain of respect for you, David Alexander
Thanks David - and yes we agree Brian is a stud & dropped some truth bombs on us.
Brian Stutzman immediately shuts down all conspiracy theories about "who really murdered" Joseph Smith.
For me he definitely shut down the WKJS Doc....coffin, nail.
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I believe that Joseph was sealing people to himself to form a line back to Christ. It want a marriage but adoption, therefore no children. Either Brigham did not have a clue what Joseph was doing or he let his carnal desires take over. Regarding Isaac practicing polygamy, i would need to see more evidence than just section 132.
We filmed a Pod yesterday and talk about that a lot. It seems the Historians are moving towards this “Dynastic Sealings” strategy and that Brigham & Joseph practiced a different polygamy
Porter had family in that part of Missouri and was visiting his family members. (He did not shoot Governor Boggs which is why he was acquitted). P.S. Joseph Smith did not send Porter to Missouri at that time.
Thanks for reviewing this important and often forgotten or dismissed part of our history and heritage.
Thx
The initiatory was introduced in the Kirtland Temple. The Endowment was introduced in the Red Brick Store. Just for clarification.
Accurate - thx
However, elements of both have _always_ been in Ether Chapter 3, 1829.
@@rconger24 true. There are videos from Dave Butler on the Ward Radio and Stick of Joseph channels I've watched that talk about how the temple ceremonies and the Book of Mormon tie together. Pretty interesting. I was more referring to when it was formally introduced. We needed a temple first in order to perform it.
28:56 absolutely NOT. God does not authorize polygamy. He works through our mistakes and sins and helps us to repent.
Yes he does. Please read the scriptures. The house of Israel was polygamists
@@brianstutzman5037 Read the most correct book the Book of Mormon.
Read Jacob 2 & 3 as an essay. Read these few below. Even when Joseph had the first translation they were not separated into verses obviously.
If I were editing Jacob's English paper I would say these things in parenthesis so the reader understands what is being said. If a whole church gets it wrong, so could anyone! Please see the following 6 verses....the English paper.
25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph. (I like how you describe raising up a righteous branch as fruit. It could be confusing to some though, they may not understand. I'm glad later you describe the same thing as raising a righteous seed.)
26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old. (Do what like unto them of old?)
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none; (I see that you answer it here, to not have more wives and concubines.)
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts. (I like how you lay out plainly as God does.)
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes. (One day they will see what happened to their people, it's a shame.)
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people * (In this astrix spot like you said in verse 25 about leading a people forth out of the land; it will need to be said again. This is where in the 1800's - 2000's people will negate what was said (vs. 25) because they don't read properly anymore nor do they think leaving a land is a big deal or important because they move from place to place all the time and do not see the wickedness around them. They do not remember all throughout scripture the people were lead out to save them and then the wicked who were left were destroyed. You may have to tell them super plainly. A straight forward way is just restating your points like this,
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people (to be lead out of the land); otherwise they shall hearken unto these things (of many wives and concubines).
God does NOT authorize to "sometimes" delight in the chastity of women, "sometimes" to commit abominations and "sometimes" desire whoredoms.
Do you see how ridiculous that sounds. You haven't prayed about this at all have you. You also see women as an object!
@@brianstutzman5037 So just because some were practicing it that makes it from God? Why do you think Lehi left Jerusalem?
I’m not sure how a debate is going to help things guys.
I’ve heard Michelle’s & Jacob’s best arguments. They have some hung dingers. The consequences of their theory is Grave if your LDS & understand what this would mean.
I’ve heard Brian’s argument too. He 100% made me understand that Brigham had nothing to do with Joseph’s death. He also had some equal level hum diggers to back his point.
On July 9th we will have Jacob Hansen on as well so I’m taking notes.
I’m not thrilled with the idea of my official narrative was a grand conspiracy & im living a lie. 😭
@@MommaCrissareally? To settle a new land called the land of promise and prepare a record needed for the restoration in our day.
Why did Brigham and others say they had to keep it quiet and you say it was common knowledge?
Maybe they were scared of getting further mob like attacks? Idk
@@ZionMedia_ But he said it was common knowledge.
No, Hyrum and Joseph NEVER introduced polygamy! You are calling our prophet and patriarch liars!
Just the opposite they told the nauvoo High council in 1843 about it
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Have him and Michelle Stone do a debate. I don't think Joseph Smith did it, and if he did that's when we lost the truth as a church.
So are you a member who doesn't believe our scripture?
@@brianstutzman5037 I most certainly do not believe 132 is scripture. I found this out through God, but keep up the unrighteous talking points with Brian and friends.
Ouch.
I can respect your position Crissa. That’s a hard position for me to take…if he did do it, your saying that’s when we lost everything…
Either way is a loss. What a Paradox
@@ZionMedia_ I'm saying it's possible, but Joseph most definitely brought forth the restoration, the Book of Mormon and much good. Honestly, I believe it is Brigham who brought on all the decay.
In section 132, why is only the woman that will be "destroyed"? That word is also said 11 times! Do you think Joseph spoke this way? I don't.
@@MommaCrissaare you cofc? Formerly rlds ...this was what some of them claimed for years
You guys need to have Justin Griffin on.
He’s a stud but seems like he’s too spiteful towards the church - like he’s more focused on division than building common ground or positivity. 🤷🏻♂️
I might have to come on after my rebuttal to Dan Vogel comes out regarding our discussion/debate if your interested Zion Media
Clark..I realize you are not LDS...and unsure what new things you bring to the table that we haven't debunked
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@@ZionMedia_I just put this out the other day. ua-cam.com/video/Ct7eKjBZEko/v-deo.htmlsi=tVvOAp7h5bQHuXfg
You are giving this a Brighamite spin.
We can’t win 🤣😂
Just telling what happened.
@@brianstutzman5037amazing interview Brian - you are a total stud & we loved this episode. I’ll be sharing with my entire family
This seems like an honest discussion, a historical spin (not a political or religious opinion spin). Some church history may seem very uncomfortable at times on the surface but through study and prayer you appreciate more their unique situation and realize it is not for us to judge but to learn about and appreciate the blessings we enjoy because of their decisions…
"Brigamite?"
Who else has born fruit,
Is there any truth to the rumor that the anti Mormon party nominated John Dehlin to run for governor? 😅😅
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Priesthood went from Spirit direct unto Esaias by the hand of God; NOT MAN. Yet Melchizedek held priesthood in the same days as Esaias . TWO SEPARATE “chosen ones” BOTH legitimately holding priesthood at the same time and ONE receiving without the laying on of hands of man but instead receiving direct from God …. Then: From Melchizedek unto Abraham and Abraham unto Issac and Issac unto Jacob and then Jacob gives covenant promises unto the children of Jacob/Israel… THE PASSING OF COVENANT PROMISE. …the prayers of our righteous forefathers being answered not being in vain because of its good desire .
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@@ZionMedia_ i rewrote that a little plainer. Point. Two can hold priesthood at same time from different regions. Can be received direct from God Spirit as did Esaias without the hands of man. {No one authorized was available unto Esaias (to lay hands)therefore God gave direct unto Esaias.}. This is not noticed. This Is written there for this reason of today to end controversy concerning the matter. To prove one can receive without the laying on of the hands of man and separate of that already possessing if the will of God desires to DO IT…that is…to give priesthood directly unto another separate of that which exists.
Not a good point if the whole thing was planned ahead of time. They would have know they would get off free and were told to keep still.
But it wasn't planned but the day of
The mob that raided Carthage was planned until the day it happened?
Do share 🙏🏻 @brianstutz
@@ZionMedia_ Are you talking to me? I don't understand what you are saying but I will answer the best I can if you explain. Keep in mind that I am old and not so quick witted as I once was.😏
It was a question for Brian about the mob and when they planned things. He said it wasn’t planned “but the day of”. I’d like to know more.
@@ZionMedia_ Ah, I see. I do hope he finds time to answer that one. I know he is a very busy guy. Thanks.
Is this the guy that thinks Joseph smith was a liar? The same guy that rabidly and frantically comments on Michelle Stone’s videos because he can’t cope with his paradigm being shattered by facts?
Nope. Very sloppy comment
@brianstutzman5037: If you haven’t, then I do have you confused with someone else.
@@brianstutzman5037 I won’t delete it. My post was a question, and it appears it’s been answered.
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No questions on credibility of sources? Also ignoring a lot of other evidence
Sources are cited in my books..available cheap on Amazon. Thanks for asking.
Go grab Brian’s book guys ~
www.amazon.com/stores/author/B0849VWS7T
@Brian
The 1886 revelation from John Taylor… Is it safe for members to consider that revelation credible?
Remind me what that is?
Joseph was dead and so they could get away with what ever they wanted to do.
You aren't LDS. That is what an anti would say
@@brianstutzman5037 He gave 110% of himself to the church until he started seeing inconsistencies. I watched his video .
Which video? I wanna watch it 👀
@@ZionMedia_ I can't say which one it was but I am sure you could find it on his channel. I haven't watch a lot of them but it almost seems like it was the one where he was interviewing Adam Boyle but I could be wrong. It was really kind of sad but as I watch more of these kind of videos from others I am seeing the same pattern. It isn't a bunch of misfits so many are trying to say they are. These are people who have devoted their lives to the church and learn unpleasant truths. They still love God, the Book of Mormon and Joseph and believe firmly in all of them.
@@brianstutzman5037 Because I have an opinion and I stated it that makes me not LDS. Maybe I am not your version of LDS because I have found and accepted some very unpleasant truths But I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or a Mormon. President Hinkley said that Mormon means More-Good. I try to do more good.
Section 132 is so full of holes that you should be able to see right through it. Isaac wasn't a polygamist, Moses wasn't a polygamist he married the Etheopian woman after his wife had died, God did not approve of David and Solomon as is very clear in Jacob2.
You must not be a member of the LDS church
@@brianstutzman5037 Actually brother, I am and have no intention of changing that but I recognize the mistakes that have been made and are being made. When God talks about cleaning things up He says that He will start with His own house first. Please respond to the comments that I have made because I am always searching for truth.
@@icecreamladydriver1606do you believe Brigham Young had the keys? Is the temple endowment required for exaltation? Just wondered where you are in your testimony to start a conversation
@@brianstutzman5037 According to the Book of Mormon you do not need the temple. Several references tell us that we need to repent and be baptized, care for our brothers and sisters and follow Christ. The Bible tells us that Christ said "What ye have seem me do you must do". I can't see how a wicked man could have any keys. I am just trying to figure everything out and if I find someone who can actually show me that I am wrong then I would find my way back to the believer I once was but I can't see that happening.
🥲 insert eating popcorn 🍿 gif here
Can't listen to this guy.
Come on! This was an amazing episode. There soooo many nuggets and first time facts on this interview.
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