Go mass necromancer. I mean does terran have dispell? ZOMBIE OUTBREAK ON THE BATTLEFIELD! Broodwar had emp. Ghost in sc2 but it will take them a whil to find out. Emp should dispell
Not how healing works in any blizzard game. I heard that it is a D&D thing that somehow meandered over. Holy light and coil specifically state how they work heal wave or even statue are normal ass healing
I never got that "orcs in space", apart from the fact they started with Warcraft 2 engine. In fact Warcraft 3 was a Starcraft in "orcs and stuff" fantasy with all the creep, summoning buildings, moving buildings etc.
@@user-mv2nn6rw2w Every race can kinda do it, since all you need is a lumber drop off, assuming they work. Undead needs to use blight skull, but as a bonus they get additional weapon upgrade buildings.
Dude it's so sick Harstem can just pick up a war3 race and beat Sal on the first try. I can't believe UpATree lost as his main race to Harstem's off-game off-race.
@@Ithor877 It's so nice for the captain to lie like that just to make Sal feel less bad about getting crushed in their first game. That was an absolute top lad move.
They should make a game that's just everything V everything but balancing probably close to impossible. Like how super smash bros features all the legendary characters, but an RTS with all the legendary races, 12 player free for all lmao
Imagine if Blizzard would actually keep in touch with their community and actually bring to light some of the brilliant ideas like this one! Tough luck, I guess...
Please try to keep it games that actually stand a chance to SC and WC. What's a halberdier or conscript gonna do to an Ultralisk or a Frost Wyrm? It'd definitely be funny to watch the constant steamrolling though 😂
That's so weird. I love it. Soon there will be so many rts games in SC2 that you don't even use SC units anymore. Like playing with AoE units against C&C units in SC2.
What we'd really need is an W3-like mode for SC2 with heroes, creeping, etc. We already have a lot of heroes as we can see in coop missions, we'd need to include them in a proper game mode.
I would love to see Grubby on WC3 Vs Harstem on SC2. Either that or the other way round, would be really cool to see those pros having a high level battle.
@@Bagginsess First of all, this is in the SC2 engine, so as long as the terran isn't blind, they won't let the blur in. Secondly, you've seen how bad death knight has it with killing the depot wall. Now imagine another melee hero that can't deathcoil the worker doing the same.
@@user-mv2nn6rw2w so then mirror image instead. And DK doesn't do anywhere near as much auto attack damage as blademaster. Orc builds a hero shrine before any other building. Terran builds a depot then a barracks then another depot. I don't know how long it would take to create the hero and run over but I think it is more than possible to get it there in time with the windwalk speed boost. At least in time to destroy the barely constructed 2nd depot and then the marines, level up and get mirror image and go to work on the scv's. Send in a few grunts as follow up. There are no creep camps after all so the orc has to level up somehow. I also bet blood mage and arc mage harass would work fine and they are ranged units with nuke aoe spells. I can't wait to see grubby try it out because I bet he will do cheeky rushes.
Yeah, it'd definitely be funny to watch just because CnC players would rage at mass Ghost or have their entire economy destroyed by a few Phoenixes. Or watching them try to CnC unit spam Swarm Host and Broodlords 😂. Maybe just as a joke to show how much better designed Starcraft factions are to pretty much any faction from the CnC games, and don't get me started on Warcraft vs CnC and how much a slaughter that'd be, like watching a 4 year old try to box Mike Tyson.
Well, at last we have something that is great against bio-terran^^ At least until ghosts are out - it's funny how ghosts are always the solution to any problem :D
Suggested change: "Enrage Ghoul" 60 minerals, 1 supply Requires: Research: Ghoul Frenzy Converts the Ghoul into a Ghoul Mauler, trading away its ability to gather minerals but giving it combat power by improving attack damage, attack speed, and movement speed. Conversion requires Ghoul Frenzy to access, and is irreversible when done. (Basically the same as converting an Obsidian Statue into a Destroyer, but converting a harvester into a combat unit.)
HARSTEM - Why didn't you use abominations or meat wagons with the plague cloud upgrade?? That would've been amazing against Terran. 1 hp damage per second wasn't a big deal in WC3 with units have a lot of health - but SC2 units have much less HP, not to mention the constant hp drain would drain his medivacs energy. Abominations also have 1175hp and regen 2hp per second off of blight (creep). I imagine Meat Wagons would one shot clumps of infantry and two shot mech units - except the Thor maybe.
Very nice match. I'm glad you beat him :D Night Elves have early access to an invisibilty/cloak detection. "Dust of Appearance" is an item from the Ancient of Wonders. (I am refereing to your previous fight as Night Elves against UpATree.)
Amazing. Thanks for sharing. 'Sc2 evo complete' (the sc2 vs bw mod) is tons of fun and coming from a wc3 foundation I will try this. Gonna be a nightmare to balance though lol.
"I'm going to get Orb of Corruption. It was really good back in my day." It still is, Harstem. It's still is. Just ask any Orc player like Lyn or FoCus, having a 60 food army of wyverns deleted in literally less than a minute by Nova 2 from a Lich with Orb. Or the Lich one-shotting 4-5 head hunters, followed by all of them being turned into skeletons by Dark Ranger. Undead is a really good race. Really, really, really good race. BTW, can you imagine zergling rush CVs frenzied ghouls?🤣
This is so crazy cool! It would be even more interesting if you could somehow have 1/2 of the map a normal wc3 map with trees and gold mine item shops etc and other half is Sc2 map :D
From my perspective, it seems that nova needs a debuff to range, as it can be cast from halfway across the screen (7-8 range), down to 5. Also, Harstem, if you play as Undead again, try haunting mines in the corners since you don't need a necropolis.
We love this ! 10 times more excitement than watching a Stormgate match :) Warm congratulations to the solo modder vs the millions of Frost Giant. One of the best gaming video of the year !
necromancer will be OP since there are SO many dead units in SC2 versus Wc3, you'll be raising the dead like no other and have a mighty army of skeletons lol
seems like the proper balancing was done to make SC2 counter some WC3 units. Otherwise, it would be OP af. Like a Human gunner one shotting a Marine. Or Frost Nova massacre the Marines lol
12:37 well you could have had like 50 more ghouls, which would properly just kill him. love the idea off workers being fighters for the swarm faction, love the necromancers; you need some necromancers to throw skeletons at them ^^ mostly the loss seems bc you ofc don't know what is good and what to built by hand, so not optimal fighting someone who is optimal ^^
Hey Harstem if you haven't already checked it out, there's a map in the Campaign section of the Arcade called Azeroth Reborn made by synergy, who's remaking the entire Warcraft 3 Campaign in Sc2
There is the entire Warcraft 3 campaign made in Sc2 engine. It's an amazing experience to play old campaign on new engine. It's called Warcraft: Azeroth Reborn. You can find it in custom campaign and I think it would make for amazing content/stream
Having just played it, the only thing holding it back from being good is that WC3 races lack detection. DT rush, Ghost nukes, Lurkers would all own them.
i dont like how much the WC3 stats have been toned down from what ive seen so far but i still have to see more of the mod. the old classic WCvsSC mod in WC3 that reimplemented most of SC2 Zerg in WC3 had a more off-hand approach to balance and it was actually pretty easy to figure out as Zerg how to defend against WC3 races despite neither being very heavily changed (and Z missing half their tech tree). it definitely felt like it didnt need many changes to feel balanced and it could be fully done on the WC3 side most-likely as very small changes to WC3 could have a huge impact on WCvsSC without having a huge impact on WCvsWC (same cant be said about changes to SC having little impact in SCvsSC)
Mod is called Azeroth-Koprulu Hyperwar for anyone interested! Thanks for playing, Harstem!
Ya love to see it 🥲
why this mod looks more updated than reforge?
Put this in description
my game dosnt find it.. is there any other way? can someone invite me to a game with it?
mfg
Thank you for this!
I'm looking forward to StarCraft II vs Need for Speed: Underground.
Rx7 OP
It'll just be a lot of ghosts sniping tires.
Acura RSX!
I would install SC2 right away!
To the window, to the wall, till the sweat drop down my balls!
StarCraft II vs SimCity 4 Deluxe
seriously.. at this rate anything is possible
"Ghosts are so op!"
he says while 1 shotting a group of marauders and ghosts with frost nova
"How can 1 unit be so broken?" *Nova instantly deletes 20 supply*
@@DFGdanger only 1 unit gets the Nova there are 50 Ghosts
@@Lio-yh2ve ghosts are extremely broken. Remove EMP from the game, disgusting nonsense with zero counterplay.
@@kaiiboraka bruh
Go mass necromancer. I mean does terran have dispell? ZOMBIE OUTBREAK ON THE BATTLEFIELD!
Broodwar had emp. Ghost in sc2 but it will take them a whil to find out. Emp should dispell
Would have been funny if the Medivacs could kill the un-dead units with heals.
Medivacs use low-power precision lasers, not holy magic.
Not how healing works in any blizzard game. I heard that it is a D&D thing that somehow meandered over. Holy light and coil specifically state how they work heal wave or even statue are normal ass healing
@@ShakerGER can you really heal undead units with healing wave tho? I know it doesnt dmg them
But i dont think the heal works still
@@Bleilock1 Only Holy Light deal damage to enemy undead units. Other methods of healing just heal.
@@khai96x i dont think healing wave works on undead
Artanis: THIS IS NOT WARCRAFT IN SPACE.
Harstem: *Proceeds to play WarCraft in space*
Orcs in space 2 truly turning into a warhammer 40k game
@@SquintyGears StarCraft was originally supposed to be a 40k game but games workshop told blizz to get fukt, so you're not far off! :D
@@Victis_Rage yeah, that's why I'm even referencing the development name and "truly". I'm saying exactly that. We're reaching the intended final form.
@@Victis_Rage What a missed opportunity for them.
I never got that "orcs in space", apart from the fact they started with Warcraft 2 engine. In fact Warcraft 3 was a Starcraft in "orcs and stuff" fantasy with all the creep, summoning buildings, moving buildings etc.
@@OldSkullSoldier Have you seen some of the earliest screenshots from StarCraft 1? It looks soooo similar to Warcraft
Say what you want, but frost wyrm shooting down medivacs and ghosts EMPing death knights is both hilarious and EPIC!
I love how everyone tries their hardest to avoid reforged
fr 😂😂
low key unit and building look better here 😅
@@horsearcher6852 Proof that all they really had to do was upscale the damn game. WC3 is one of the VERY FEW early 2000's 3D RTS game that holds up.
"The problems are the ghosts"
Me: as always
Harstem: as always
Seeing the Warcraft 3 units in the Starcraft 2 game was a dream ive never thought it would happen
"Now all I want are minors, lots of minors." - Harstem 2024
A few seconds later, FBI breaks the door.
Truly a youtuber.
Like he said when he call himself a
"UA-cam man"@@montypython5521
Tryna strike a cord, and it's probably A MINORRRRR
Death Knight killing the Reaper - I burst out laughing even before Harstem did. Sick mod.
13:29 Mincraft UA-camrs be like:
I love how Stormgate is out but the hot new thing is a 'SC2 vs WC3' mod in SC2😂
better idea better game ngl
When the Blademaster wind walks into your mineral line and uses Bladestorm
Grubby and Harstem crossover when?
YESSSSS
@@squidikka THIS!
The madlad how did you predict it will actually happen.
"I welcome you to...whatever the hell this is." Best intro ever.
Wood being the primary resource for wc3 races is cursed
Imagine night elves' proxy base: just send whisps everywhere, no actual bases required.
@@user-mv2nn6rw2w Every race can kinda do it, since all you need is a lumber drop off, assuming they work. Undead needs to use blight skull, but as a bonus they get additional weapon upgrade buildings.
Dude it's so sick Harstem can just pick up a war3 race and beat Sal on the first try. I can't believe UpATree lost as his main race to Harstem's off-game off-race.
He said in video it wasnt his first time and the games before he got blasted.
Wait wasn't harstem an undead main in wc3? So it's only his off-game on-race?
I gotta ask: do you get paid to troll upatree? XD
Especially with 3 acos :D
@@Ithor877 It's so nice for the captain to lie like that just to make Sal feel less bad about getting crushed in their first game. That was an absolute top lad move.
Wow man. At some point someone will do Age of Empires vs StarCraft 2
Then Command and Conquer vs starcraft
I want to see empire earth cavemen vs protoss.
then bfme vs starcraft
Yes and yes to all the above
They should make a game that's just everything V everything but balancing probably close to impossible. Like how super smash bros features all the legendary characters, but an RTS with all the legendary races, 12 player free for all lmao
13:28 Damn Harstem's finally becoming a true UA-camr
lol dark
I wondered if anyone would catch that
I thought the same thing lol
LMAO XD
next up wc3 vs brood war in sc2
@@colourarc Just tried this mod out & yes, that's already in the mod
Imagine if Blizzard would actually keep in touch with their community and actually bring to light some of the brilliant ideas like this one!
Tough luck, I guess...
SC2 vs BW vs WC3 vs AOE2 vs RA2 please
*"WHAT YEAR IS IT??!!"*
the best year
Genetic mutator on the marines or SCVs. 😂
Please try to keep it games that actually stand a chance to SC and WC. What's a halberdier or conscript gonna do to an Ultralisk or a Frost Wyrm? It'd definitely be funny to watch the constant steamrolling though 😂
Yuri mind control
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I've dreamed of this for so long since the wc3 assets were added up SC2, I just could never get the balancing right
Starcraft 1 Artanis: "This is not warcraft in space"
Little did he know.
My thoughts precisely
"it's much more sophisticated!'
That's so weird. I love it. Soon there will be so many rts games in SC2 that you don't even use SC units anymore. Like playing with AoE units against C&C units in SC2.
What we'd really need is an W3-like mode for SC2 with heroes, creeping, etc. We already have a lot of heroes as we can see in coop missions, we'd need to include them in a proper game mode.
9:23 are you kidding, this is like reaver and Disruptor had a baby with Speedy Gonzales. I shed a terran tear.
More of these please! This was very fun to watch
I like how undead generate creep instead of blight
Dont stack your ghost... then immediately stacks frost wyrms
I would love to see Grubby on WC3 Vs Harstem on SC2. Either that or the other way round, would be really cool to see those pros having a high level battle.
sc players: I hate zergling rushes
wc players: have you seen the blademaster?
Now I get nightmares again
Terran: wall solves everything
Protoss/zerg: 😔
@@user-mv2nn6rw2w blade can go invisible and wait for you to open it to go through. He can probably also break down the depot before you can kill him.
@@Bagginsess First of all, this is in the SC2 engine, so as long as the terran isn't blind, they won't let the blur in. Secondly, you've seen how bad death knight has it with killing the depot wall. Now imagine another melee hero that can't deathcoil the worker doing the same.
@@user-mv2nn6rw2w so then mirror image instead. And DK doesn't do anywhere near as much auto attack damage as blademaster.
Orc builds a hero shrine before any other building. Terran builds a depot then a barracks then another depot. I don't know how long it would take to create the hero and run over but I think it is more than possible to get it there in time with the windwalk speed boost. At least in time to destroy the barely constructed 2nd depot and then the marines, level up and get mirror image and go to work on the scv's. Send in a few grunts as follow up. There are no creep camps after all so the orc has to level up somehow.
I also bet blood mage and arc mage harass would work fine and they are ranged units with nuke aoe spells. I can't wait to see grubby try it out because I bet he will do cheeky rushes.
oh god WC3 units in sc2 is such a fever dream
There’s been a remake of wc3 melee in sc2 engine for years
Blizzard need to license SC2 engine for wants to create new RTS games like Unreal Engine.
This is insane, I'm actually so keen to watch
Dispel doesn’t exist for Terran, NecroWagon has no counter if stay away from ghosts to not get EMP.
Where is Command and Conquer vs Starcraft 2 ?
Yeah, it'd definitely be funny to watch just because CnC players would rage at mass Ghost or have their entire economy destroyed by a few Phoenixes. Or watching them try to CnC unit spam Swarm Host and Broodlords 😂.
Maybe just as a joke to show how much better designed Starcraft factions are to pretty much any faction from the CnC games, and don't get me started on Warcraft vs CnC and how much a slaughter that'd be, like watching a 4 year old try to box Mike Tyson.
Well, at last we have something that is great against bio-terran^^
At least until ghosts are out - it's funny how ghosts are always the solution to any problem :D
very unfortunate that almost everything in wc3 are "biological"
Suggested change:
"Enrage Ghoul"
60 minerals, 1 supply
Requires:
Research: Ghoul Frenzy
Converts the Ghoul into a Ghoul Mauler, trading away its ability to gather minerals but giving it combat power by improving attack damage, attack speed, and movement speed. Conversion requires Ghoul Frenzy to access, and is irreversible when done.
(Basically the same as converting an Obsidian Statue into a Destroyer, but converting a harvester into a combat unit.)
HARSTEM - Why didn't you use abominations or meat wagons with the plague cloud upgrade?? That would've been amazing against Terran. 1 hp damage per second wasn't a big deal in WC3 with units have a lot of health - but SC2 units have much less HP, not to mention the constant hp drain would drain his medivacs energy. Abominations also have 1175hp and regen 2hp per second off of blight (creep).
I imagine Meat Wagons would one shot clumps of infantry and two shot mech units - except the Thor maybe.
Very nice match. I'm glad you beat him :D
Night Elves have early access to an invisibilty/cloak detection. "Dust of Appearance" is an item from the Ancient of Wonders. (I am refereing to your previous fight as Night Elves against UpATree.)
They need to get together and merge the SCBW mod, the WC3 mod, and the Coop commander mod together to one epic mod.
2:54 Love it whenever you giggle like a maniac, always gives me a few chuckles too :D
Amazing. Thanks for sharing. 'Sc2 evo complete' (the sc2 vs bw mod) is tons of fun and coming from a wc3 foundation I will try this. Gonna be a nightmare to balance though lol.
I NEED MORE OF THIS!
It's like somebody made this specifically to troll Grubby.
Harstem and Grubby vs. other pros when? Beating grandmasters with stupid stuffs let's goo!! xD
13:28 hahah 😂 don’t know the laws in Holland, but in most countries that sentence will get you behind bars!!
"not sure I have a lot of supply" - man who is over the game's max supply cap
the fact that SC2 can even do this is MENTAL. I love it!
Starcraft 2 has a very bright future with custom modes
If only it had better core utilisation
Need NPC trolls, ogres, gnolls & etc on every mineral lines like in WarCraft III
Need Necroes with meat wagons pumping corpses, so many rhines to make skeletons. And all hero's inv. full of healing scrolls. MORE OF THIS
13:28 Jeffrey took over him for a second
Having Zerg creep as UD’s scorched earth is hilarious.
omg I was losing my mind over building only 1 boneyard!
Seeing the dragon destroys armored infantryman makes me feel....things
You should turn your channel into just this. As much as I like StarCraft and believe me I do, but Warcraft was always my fave.
You should get grubby to play this with you!
i feel using gnouls as military unit is like having SCV as main force of your army :P
"I'm going to get Orb of Corruption. It was really good back in my day." It still is, Harstem. It's still is. Just ask any Orc player like Lyn or FoCus, having a 60 food army of wyverns deleted in literally less than a minute by Nova 2 from a Lich with Orb. Or the Lich one-shotting 4-5 head hunters, followed by all of them being turned into skeletons by Dark Ranger.
Undead is a really good race. Really, really, really good race.
BTW, can you imagine zergling rush CVs frenzied ghouls?🤣
I'm a little shocked Blizzard hasn't officially crossed over Craft and Wow by now.
This is so crazy cool! It would be even more interesting if you could somehow have 1/2 of the map a normal wc3 map with trees and gold mine item shops etc and other half is Sc2 map :D
Aint no way ! This is so sick 😂
From my perspective, it seems that nova needs a debuff to range, as it can be cast from halfway across the screen (7-8 range), down to 5. Also, Harstem, if you play as Undead again, try haunting mines in the corners since you don't need a necropolis.
We love this ! 10 times more excitement than watching a Stormgate match :) Warm congratulations to the solo modder vs the millions of Frost Giant. One of the best gaming video of the year !
admit it captain, you only won because the lich is out of this world broken lmao
necromancer will be OP since there are SO many dead units in SC2 versus Wc3, you'll be raising the dead like no other and have a mighty army of skeletons lol
Ahahaha.. I have lived the time where Starcraft 2 can be played against Warcraft III.. This is crazy :D
13:35 - I tried so hard to not make the Diddy joke in my head…
13:26 hebrew billionaires after conquering every western country:
Oof
13:28 "Now all I want is minors, just lots of minors"
- Harstem, 2024
finally, the orks are going to space
A New Golden Age of Gaming has Begun.
seems like the proper balancing was done to make SC2 counter some WC3 units. Otherwise, it would be OP af. Like a Human gunner one shotting a Marine. Or Frost Nova massacre the Marines lol
Can't wait for SC2 VS Age of Empire 2
That’s what reforged must have looked like ;(.
12:37 well you could have had like 50 more ghouls, which would properly just kill him.
love the idea off workers being fighters for the swarm faction, love the necromancers; you need some necromancers to throw skeletons at them ^^
mostly the loss seems bc you ofc don't know what is good and what to built by hand, so not optimal fighting someone who is optimal ^^
Dreadlord could be good against bio. Maybe also Pitlord, and abomination with high defense upgrades and disease cloud.
Hmm, not sure, the terrans would be able to mop the ground with any undead infestation that's not zerg based.
Hey Harstem if you haven't already checked it out, there's a map in the Campaign section of the Arcade called Azeroth Reborn made by synergy, who's remaking the entire Warcraft 3 Campaign in Sc2
There is the entire Warcraft 3 campaign made in Sc2 engine. It's an amazing experience to play old campaign on new engine. It's called Warcraft: Azeroth Reborn. You can find it in custom campaign and I think it would make for amazing content/stream
Does it have WC3 upkeep mechanics?
@@OldSkullSoldier You can either enable or disable it.
What if mass necromancers ? There is no dispel in the terran arsenal . . .
There's something slimy about that blighted ground
Maybe it's just me, but the visual of the WC3 units seem so much smoother here?
9:12 five hundred ziggurats
Having just played it, the only thing holding it back from being good is that WC3 races lack detection. DT rush, Ghost nukes, Lurkers would all own them.
Lets go what a refresh to get. New video 29 seconds again.
My goodness this is cursed 😂
But this might make it possible for a Grubby vs Harstem content 😂
oh wow Stormgate is looking much better now!
Undead AOE is so overpowered against bio terran (god i never thought I'd ever say this), its pure chaos and i love it lmao
i dont like how much the WC3 stats have been toned down from what ive seen so far but i still have to see more of the mod. the old classic WCvsSC mod in WC3 that reimplemented most of SC2 Zerg in WC3 had a more off-hand approach to balance and it was actually pretty easy to figure out as Zerg how to defend against WC3 races despite neither being very heavily changed (and Z missing half their tech tree). it definitely felt like it didnt need many changes to feel balanced and it could be fully done on the WC3 side most-likely as very small changes to WC3 could have a huge impact on WCvsSC without having a huge impact on WCvsWC (same cant be said about changes to SC having little impact in SCvsSC)
13:26 Dr Disrespect at twitchcon
I like this mod. I hope Harstem plays more game on it.
Is this the Stormgate game everybody is talking about?
13:28 a rather disrespectful statement 😭
looking forward to see you and rotti playing this and maybe also the grubster :D
I really love these WC3 / SCBW vs SC2 mods