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  • Bob Dylan performing "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll" live at Boston Music Hall - November 21, 1975
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    Chorus:
    William Zanzinger, who at twenty-four years
    Owns a tobacco farm of six hundred acres
    With rich wealthy parents who provide and protect him
    And high office relations in the politics of Maryland
    Reacted to his deed with a shrug of his shoulders
    And swear words and sneering, and his tongue it was snarling
    #BobDylan #RollingThunderRevue #FolkRock

КОМЕНТАРІ • 189

  • @elstonngunn4193
    @elstonngunn4193 3 роки тому +125

    Already knew the song but this version is great thanks polyphonic

    • @greenhandskelly5580
      @greenhandskelly5580 3 роки тому

      Are ye doin a bit a polyphonicin'? is it doin a bit a polphonicin' ye'ar? Thats mighty.

    • @classygary
      @classygary 3 роки тому

      Once a Narcissist always one .

    • @piedadbelando3461
      @piedadbelando3461 3 роки тому

      ,oooooolllllllo9l
      Mllopooollllllllllllllllllllllllllllñi8ik se le nota sí pero si esto lo pasa que estás

  • @walker70
    @walker70 5 місяців тому +7

    To me, this is Dylan in his performance prime. This whole tour he sang with absolute conviction. Incredible!!

    • @desertdog5397
      @desertdog5397 2 місяці тому +1

      that first rollin thunder 74/75...its excellent...

  • @chinmaykunkikar
    @chinmaykunkikar 5 років тому +123

    I think this version is even better than the original score. May be because I heard this before listening to the original one while watching RTR. I love the bass, I love the tune, I love Dylan's energy and the era when his voice sounded the best.

    • @lordemed1
      @lordemed1 4 роки тому +3

      Rob Stoner on bass...👍

    • @Apathetik
      @Apathetik 4 роки тому +2

      Chinmay Kunkikar easily the best version

    • @younggrinch2826
      @younggrinch2826 4 роки тому +3

      Lmfao no shit this versions better. This is incredible

    • @miguelraeder3005
      @miguelraeder3005 3 роки тому

      @RedWarrior600 AVGCP and what about Hurricane? Is it also a joke? lol

    • @miguelraeder3005
      @miguelraeder3005 3 роки тому

      @RedWarrior600 AVGCP but isn't it a fast song or something like that? Just like this version?

  • @redskyatnight123
    @redskyatnight123 4 роки тому +90

    I once listened to this album on acid after a party, I cannot explain how it made me feel, I love Bob dylan amazing

    • @GarlTsagan
      @GarlTsagan 4 роки тому +6

      How about that guitar. That thing feels like an orgasm on acid

    • @tonygates4902
      @tonygates4902 3 роки тому +2

      This is me rn

  • @TolkienStudy
    @TolkienStudy 5 років тому +126

    Greatest tour ever.

    • @jessicaamber6623
      @jessicaamber6623 5 років тому +3

      Why yes, yes it was.

    • @btragal
      @btragal 4 роки тому +1

      Yup this is the version I was looking for, in the wake of the Emmett Till legislation. Couldn't find the cd haha.

    • @younggrinch2826
      @younggrinch2826 4 роки тому

      Up in smoke tour

    • @UnremarkableMarx
      @UnremarkableMarx 3 роки тому +1

      @@younggrinch2826 no. Rolling Thunder

    • @mrjasondylan
      @mrjasondylan 3 роки тому +1

      Not old enough as I first seen the man in 87 first of 25 shows but this tour is my favourite period live would love to have been more than 6 so I could have seen it.

  • @expfcwintergreen266
    @expfcwintergreen266 5 місяців тому +2

    To think that he could read about a little known incident, digest the facts and the emotions and churn out a song which captures the essence of the situation perfectly. Just pure genius.

  • @eeeeyuke
    @eeeeyuke 3 роки тому +6

    Love the 3 rimshots after the judge gavel line.

  • @saricadouglas5469
    @saricadouglas5469 10 місяців тому +2

    Devastating

  • @camgablecg
    @camgablecg 4 роки тому +39

    Man I remember getting an American telecaster in high school and learning every version/ rendition off this bootleg series just from listening to it over and over. Amazing stuff, always give me chills.

  • @epkot19
    @epkot19 3 роки тому +10

    Mick Ronson's guitar playing on this was excellent

    • @annonymost9318
      @annonymost9318 3 роки тому +1

      THE TOTAL UNDER DISCOVERED AND UN FOUND ALSO COMPOSER!!!!!!! Man....he Ronson, a modest man...he was amazing , so many talents,,,,much as my heart still with Bowie...he sure took LOTS from him...without giving credit thank some creten for mentioning him////

  • @peterburlin8198
    @peterburlin8198 3 роки тому +18

    Dylan mustve felt he was in musical heaven playing with this band! This album is just amazing , blows the roof off any album recordings before or after

  • @brunopinto3777
    @brunopinto3777 3 роки тому +9

    This songs brings me to a time I was even born and to places I've never been to.

  • @billt5410
    @billt5410 Рік тому +2

    the conversation between Bob and Joan is a great intro of this song, now I have to listen to them together.

  • @questionblock8949
    @questionblock8949 6 місяців тому +2

    Bob Dylan. Just incredible

  • @sabineschellhorn5148
    @sabineschellhorn5148 5 років тому +51

    “But you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fears,
    Take the rag away from your face.
    Now ain’t the time for your tears.”

    • @olcaycatv
      @olcaycatv 4 роки тому

      Hallo Sabina, kennst du die Musik, die im Hintergrund läuft ? Gute Nacht ua-cam.com/video/5zdo8DVDDhE/v-deo.html 1:11:42-1:12:18

  • @user-gp5kh5tu4k
    @user-gp5kh5tu4k Рік тому +6

    One of the great songs. I adore the way the drumsticks play the part of the judge's gavel later in the song.

    • @mortonbeard2240
      @mortonbeard2240 19 днів тому

      That and the documentary of the blow to Hattie Carol.

  • @Apathetik
    @Apathetik 4 роки тому +18

    This is the real version.. look how soulful it sounds. Real raw rugged . “Emptied the ash trays on a whole nother level”

  • @kieranfawcett8193
    @kieranfawcett8193 Рік тому +2

    The goat x

  • @ginamori8656
    @ginamori8656 5 років тому +41

    She cleaned. Out the ashtrays on a whole different level

    • @kell2640
      @kell2640 4 роки тому +7

      No lyric has said it better since. Burning all the same today. Went to the MoMa in NYC last summer. All the cloakroom staff were black; All the reception staff were white. Nothin more to say.

    • @fenwayify
      @fenwayify 3 роки тому +1

      @@kell2640 Yes, and yet how quick comes the automatic response to Black Lives Matter: "All" lives matter; as though blacks were ever included in the "All" category. I don't pretend to know how to solve discrimination, but I'm at least aware it never went away...

    • @gustavotriani5611
      @gustavotriani5611 3 роки тому

      Not a native English speaker here. What he mean by that?

    • @fenwayify
      @fenwayify 3 роки тому

      @@gustavotriani5611 Hattie Carroll was at a whole different level in multiple ways, foremost she was a maid for rich people, but she was also black, meaning she was viewed by many as a lesser human being. Unfortunately, though blacks and other minorities have made gains since her death in 1963, prejudice persists...society just has a hard time admitting it...

    • @classygary
      @classygary 3 роки тому

      @@fenwayify Prejudice has always existed (on many different levels) and always will . There’s an admission and a cold hard fact .

  • @jrow6421
    @jrow6421 5 років тому +38

    You just dont hear music like this any longer. Great music that actually tells stories. This story is so saddening... but love the song

    • @apolloptx
      @apolloptx 5 років тому

      Its a true story. Dylan was exposing racism right from the beginning.

    • @gustavotriani5611
      @gustavotriani5611 4 роки тому

      Good music like that died with John Lennon, 30 years ago

    • @garyshewan9226
      @garyshewan9226 4 роки тому +1

      Gustavo Triani Listen to Lou Reed’s album New York

    • @oldchunkofcoal2774
      @oldchunkofcoal2774 2 роки тому

      @@gustavotriani5611 What an ignorant comment.

    • @bsnf-5
      @bsnf-5 Рік тому

      storyteller he is not. But his songs are truly amazing

  • @danielberger9435
    @danielberger9435 4 роки тому +11

    Greatest version ever!

  • @ericbriglia5136
    @ericbriglia5136 Рік тому +2

    What a great band they had for this tour

  • @vincentt.5040
    @vincentt.5040 5 років тому +24

    Everything this man ever had his hands in turned to gold in one way or another.

  • @user-zx8qq1so7j
    @user-zx8qq1so7j Місяць тому

    Not anyone can put music to this story or story to the music, right on Bobby D..

  • @xs-1b415
    @xs-1b415 Рік тому +6

    One of my favorite Dylan songs. Great song, best version of it.

  • @robertpaulson1107
    @robertpaulson1107 4 роки тому +16

    This might be my favourite version of this song

  • @milvujel
    @milvujel 5 років тому +16

    Such a great version!

  • @armontoya1989
    @armontoya1989 5 років тому +14

    Finally this song is back on here an absolute classic

  • @oiramsq73
    @oiramsq73 3 роки тому +9

    “The ladder of the law has not top and no bottom”… I’ve felt horrified for Hattie Carroll so many times, I never met her once, but I’ve ‘seen’ her hundreds of times when listening to this song. How many times do we have to disappoint Hattie Carroll?

  • @maxbolliger1541
    @maxbolliger1541 3 роки тому +4

    one of the best songs from Bob

  • @jkspeaking
    @jkspeaking 4 роки тому +5

    Isn't this song so incredibly relevant today. My brothers and sisters, I am with you in spirit. No one should die a lonesome death like our Ms. Caroll

  • @woolhall
    @woolhall 5 років тому +16

    Uncle Bobby at his best

  • @edwardglickman6426
    @edwardglickman6426 2 роки тому +4

    A great performance of a great song.

  • @stephaniegill9133
    @stephaniegill9133 3 роки тому +2

    Thank you Bob love Stephanie

  • @Apathetik
    @Apathetik 4 роки тому +9

    Bob didn’t have to be the best singer around either, his lyrics speak for themself. The rough around the edges gives him the allure

    • @viviandarkbloom100
      @viviandarkbloom100 4 роки тому

      It would hardly be fair if he was blessed with Sam Cookes voice too.

  • @michaelopm1
    @michaelopm1 4 роки тому +7

    Where has the film from this tour been hiding all these years? This was the best of Dylan..so happy & relaxed & so right in tune!!

  • @sandrawadsworth5173
    @sandrawadsworth5173 2 роки тому +3

    Awesome!💯❤️

  • @knotwilg3596
    @knotwilg3596 4 роки тому +3

    The Band really brings this one to life

    • @altheatoldme
      @altheatoldme Рік тому

      The Band backed Dylan on Tour ‘74. They weren’t part of the ‘75/‘76 Rolling Thunder Revue

  • @borjamitjans1783
    @borjamitjans1783 5 років тому +21

    Makes me want to cry every time I hear it. "Doomed and determined to destroy all the gentle." And what to say about Rob Stoner's bassline?

    • @lordemed1
      @lordemed1 4 роки тому +1

      Stoner was amazing...have you heard him on Mclean's American Pie?

  • @jeka7346
    @jeka7346 5 років тому +12

    This is fantastic

  • @jessicaamber6623
    @jessicaamber6623 5 років тому +8

    WOW

  • @derrydylanger8994
    @derrydylanger8994 4 роки тому +5

    Bob Dylan! What more needs to be said?

  • @worldgonewrong2049
    @worldgonewrong2049 3 роки тому +5

    This whole album is fantastic. Versions of many of the songs on this album are my favorites of all time. Most of the Desire album selections played on this tour are my favorite versions ever.

  • @cmanhatan4
    @cmanhatan4 5 років тому +8

    Dylan more than earns his pay with his vocal delivery in the verses. Almost any random line is delivered beautifully”But in a matter of minutes ..”

  • @TonyWud
    @TonyWud 3 роки тому +2

    She emptied the ashtrays on a whole other level

  • @questionblock8949
    @questionblock8949 3 місяці тому

    Someone yells "hattie carroll" close to the beginning 💎

  • @gustavotriani5611
    @gustavotriani5611 4 роки тому +25

    Much better version than the original

    • @petegilgan6217
      @petegilgan6217 4 роки тому +2

      You must be joking. This is truly dreadful. A beautiful, but chilling song, here sounds like some warped fairground joke. The gravitas of the lyrics is here trivialised by this ridiculous rendition.

    • @D.L91
      @D.L91 4 роки тому +8

      @@petegilgan6217 What are you talking about? This is far superior. You can hear the anger in the words he's spitting out. Musically better aswell.

    • @gustavotriani5611
      @gustavotriani5611 4 роки тому +1

      @warrior of the color red you're an asshole.

    • @amitaksharbiswas8078
      @amitaksharbiswas8078 3 роки тому

      @ŤHƏŘƏĐWÄŘŘÏØŘ⁶⁰⁰ sure.. I guess you know better than the one who wrote it

  • @decorantooran
    @decorantooran 5 років тому +7

    So glad this is finally on UA-cam! Have this CD but no way of playing it anymore

  • @carladinverno2153
    @carladinverno2153 5 років тому +6

    Una ballata folk toccante davvero. Seconda solo ad "Isis". Forse sono pari per ritmo travolgente e parole poetiche!

  • @annmcglynn7286
    @annmcglynn7286 4 роки тому +4

    Love this...!

  • @shannonschaerer1010
    @shannonschaerer1010 3 роки тому +2

    Classic Upon Classic!! COULDN'T Be BETTER!! LOVE THIS TUNE - ESP LIVE!! Thank You Again Bob!!

  • @deanbraden7695
    @deanbraden7695 3 роки тому +1

    Why is this version sooooo much better than the others

  • @nancyries2534
    @nancyries2534 5 років тому +4

    Love to sit and listen to what you have to say one on one just for one night. I have no questions

  • @helenbostock2350
    @helenbostock2350 2 роки тому +1

    The amount of work on these projects this singer bod has done is amazing truly amazing

  • @tylerhoward608
    @tylerhoward608 5 років тому +46

    wow just realized that kid cudi's pursuit of happiness sounds like this

  • @juneerrington1937
    @juneerrington1937 4 роки тому +2

    Couldn’t ask for anything better june x

  • @Rinifi
    @Rinifi 5 років тому +45

    This ain't bubble gum music.

  • @yassinetaha7697
    @yassinetaha7697 4 роки тому +1

    The best song ever. Best tour ever

  • @r.luancarvalho
    @r.luancarvalho 3 роки тому +1

    love u bob

  • @alfonsoberdunbelver4379
    @alfonsoberdunbelver4379 5 років тому +4

    Soberbio!!! Un artista genial y único en la historia de la música popular y de la poesía!

  • @stephenvallely4361
    @stephenvallely4361 2 роки тому +1

    As relevant today as it was when he penned it in the early 1960's.

  • @UTubeISphere
    @UTubeISphere 4 роки тому +17

    Bob D. was just 22 years old when he wrote and recorded it in October 1963 - regrettably still relevant today - Black Lives Matter - The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll (51ys old) vs The Very Public Death of George Floyd (46ys old)

  • @patriciathewisher2315
    @patriciathewisher2315 2 роки тому

    Gonna play pool tonight with the boys! Amy W and Lucinda Williams would be proud.

  • @susanflanagan9159
    @susanflanagan9159 5 років тому +2

    Thank you so much for all these posts,absolutely fabulous

  • @TheNeverposts
    @TheNeverposts 5 років тому +4

    I'm not crazy about Hattie Carroll (unlike most people) but I LOVE ROLLING THUNDER!!!!!!

  • @helenbostock2350
    @helenbostock2350 2 роки тому

    I knew this song it calls me to act not cry. I busy

  • @1181darkfire
    @1181darkfire 3 роки тому

    I love the guitar and the effect on it

  • @patriciathewisher2315
    @patriciathewisher2315 2 роки тому

    Eating then bath then bed. Had wanted to go play pool and sit by the river etc but too shattered. Never got to beach either but the beach ain't goin nowhere. Another day. I need to rest my body n mind. X

  • @patriciathewisher2315
    @patriciathewisher2315 2 роки тому

    Tried to hear but the barman said turn it off. Here trying to organise my next safe house. There's one other guy in the bar trying to read the paper so fair nuff. He probably doesn't need to be transported to Boston in the 70s. Tho I do. Wonder would Bob have welcomed 12 year olds with their dads on the Rolling Thunder? My daddy, like myself, was a wanderer by trade. He taught me how to pick n choose n how to throw the blade. His voice didn't tremble tho. The gentlest of men. And I loved him so. Some ppl ask me how..... And yes... as long as he's around me. He helped me out of a few jams I guess even since he died. X

  • @foosonic
    @foosonic 5 років тому +2

    👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

  • @nico-9805
    @nico-9805 3 роки тому +48

    Who else was sent here by Polyphonic?

  • @quadeca5617
    @quadeca5617 3 роки тому

    It's a level kino song

  • @harryg3889
    @harryg3889 3 роки тому

    I don’t think I ever listened to Dylan on acid, stuff was too much for me, but I’ve listened to plenty of Dylan mashed. Half the music on my phone is Dil.

  • @mfischer7310
    @mfischer7310 4 роки тому

    OMG. I just jizzed my pants again. Love this performance.

  • @patriciathewisher2315
    @patriciathewisher2315 2 роки тому

    I wanted to leave home from December 1978. But I'd no idea how to do that at 15 with no money. So I quite sensibly in mho waited to pass some exams first. Then I knew I could go anywhere n the good ole British government would pay for my education. Might as well take something back after 800 years of colonisation, oppression, second class citizenship, etc. So I went on my own to a Dublin university which until the 70s Catholics were excommunicated for going to. My dad encouraged me to go there. My mum did everything in her power to stop me. So Wilde n Beckett went there as Protestant. I only went cos it was far enough away from home n the north and in the brochures in my sixth form careers service place I was astonished by the beauty of the place. Cobbled front square. Right in the heart of Dublin. Been there since 1500s when Queenie Elizabeth I started it up.

  • @CMing-ce6rt
    @CMing-ce6rt 5 років тому +1

    Master alive

  • @patriciathewisher2315
    @patriciathewisher2315 2 роки тому

    An old woman friend from uni days helped me financially. My sister won’t give me all that I’m due from my father.

  • @karmenjazbec7743
    @karmenjazbec7743 5 років тому +2

    i do not wann die lonesome

  • @michelleifill3019
    @michelleifill3019 5 років тому +1

    "Not in my neighborhood" by Antero Pietila brought me here ☔

  • @patriciathewisher2315
    @patriciathewisher2315 2 роки тому

    Just mega amounts of stress.

  • @johnhendry4410
    @johnhendry4410 2 роки тому

    103%

  • @patriciathewisher2315
    @patriciathewisher2315 2 роки тому

    On top of all that my stomach is sick all the time. I think it’s coeliac disease so no more beer for me. Should get better I hope. Only managed 1/3 prawns. Ahhh…..

  • @chrisandrus689
    @chrisandrus689 4 роки тому +3

    ..Shakespeare in denim....

  • @patriciathewisher2315
    @patriciathewisher2315 2 роки тому +1

    My emails, gadgets, phone all compromised. I’ve blocked and changed what I can but I want a new phone n iPad and laptop. Had to change phone and back account details. They’re all over everything and I’m having to try to stay one step ahead. I was pursued out of NI the night I left as far as The Moy by men trying to race me in fast cars. No wonder I got sick and missed my boat.

  • @patriciathewisher2315
    @patriciathewisher2315 2 роки тому

    I think I'm actually living in the Hotel California. Number 16 is on a higher floor than 25 FFS. The other night I was hyperventilating cos I couldn't find my way off my floor to get to reception. I do indeed have a lot of pretty boys here that I call friends. All thankfully have girlfriends or are gay and I'm trying to match make for them. I'm good at getting other ppl together. Just unsuccessful always with myself. Cos I never meet anyone I could b bothered to F. I love the line Some Dance To Remember and Some Dance To Forget. A genius line in a genius song. I'm now in the beer garden where they've got sofas cool. And trying to persuade a cat to come down from the rafters to me. X

  • @patriciathewisher2315
    @patriciathewisher2315 2 роки тому

    Tried to get a plane up there but can't see it

  • @patriciathewisher2315
    @patriciathewisher2315 2 роки тому

    He’s in hot pursuit now and got a bunch of cronies doing his dirty work.

  • @georgepittas7680
    @georgepittas7680 4 роки тому +4

    How many roads must a George Floyd walk down
    Before you call him a man?.... (The answer is (still) blowing in the wind...

  • @johnmartinread157
    @johnmartinread157 3 роки тому +1

    Also when zangzinger received his joke of a sentence he was imprisoned great distance from his home and sent to a mainly white prison. Cuz if events had rolled out as normal he would have been sent to the local prison; mainly black were he might have received some Old Testament Justice

  • @tompenny1429
    @tompenny1429 4 роки тому +1

    I just keep hearing Rolling stones Goat Head Soup era in the guitar ???

    • @EsoRimmer100
      @EsoRimmer100 4 роки тому +2

      the guitar player on this tour was actually Mick Ronson (former Bowie's guitarist)

  • @JSA17103017
    @JSA17103017 5 років тому +1

    Imbatible!!!

  • @patriciathewisher2315
    @patriciathewisher2315 2 роки тому

    Letter opener. My dad's. My handbag

  • @Rilez616
    @Rilez616 3 роки тому

    reply if you want a bunch of live shows from this tour through google drive

    • @andrewboard2398
      @andrewboard2398 2 роки тому

      I would like to receive of live shows

    • @Rilez616
      @Rilez616 2 роки тому

      @@andrewboard2398 send me ur email might be able to hook you up, I’ve got most shows form the tour on my computer

  • @muuuzaklistener
    @muuuzaklistener 5 років тому +1

    starting to feel like Weezer used the same sound for my name is jonas

  • @arthurkyriazis
    @arthurkyriazis 4 роки тому +3

    The kind of music that made Boston famous. Now it’s just full of greedy techies and sad little rich men with summer places on cape cod who fly in.

  • @classygary
    @classygary 3 роки тому

    Hellllppp !!!
    I’ve stumbled into the stupid comment realm .

  • @lullsbaby9321
    @lullsbaby9321 4 роки тому +2

    A 6 month sentence for killing a woman....
    Don't piss off Bob.

  • @widiandritalempong4405
    @widiandritalempong4405 3 місяці тому +2

    William Zanzinger killed poor Hattie Carroll
    With a cane that he twirled around his diamond ring finger
    At a Baltimore hotel, society gath'rin'
    And the cops were called in, and his weapon took from him
    As they rode him in custody down to the station
    And booked William Zanzinger for first-degree murder
    But you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears
    Take the rag away from your face, now ain't the time for your tears
    William Zanzinger, who at 24 years, owns a tobacco farm of 600 acres
    With rich wealthy parents who provide and protect him
    And high office relations in the politics of Maryland
    Reacted to his deed with a shrug of his shoulders
    And swear words and sneering, and his tongue it was snarling
    In a matter of minutes, on bail was out walkin'
    But you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears
    Take the rag away from your face, now ain't the time for your tears
    Hattie Carroll was a maid of the kitchen
    She was 51 years old and gave birth to 10 children
    Who carried the dishes and took out the garbage
    And never sat once at the head of the table
    And didn't even talk to the people at the table
    Who just cleaned up all the food from the table
    And emptied the ashtrays on a whole other level
    Got killed by a blow, lay slain by a cane
    That sailed through the air and came down through the room
    Doomed and determined to destroy all the gentle
    And she never done nothing to William Zanzinger
    And you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears
    Take the rag away from your face, now ain't the time for your tears
    In the courtroom of honor, the judge pounded his gavel
    To show that all's equal and that the courts are on the level
    And that the strings in the books ain't pulled and persuaded
    And that even the nobles get properly handled
    Once that the cops have chased after and caught 'em
    And that the ladder of law has no top and no bottom
    Stared at the person who killed for no reason
    Who just happened to be feelin' that way without warnin'
    And he spoke through his cloak, most deep and distinguished
    And handed out strongly for penalty and repentance
    William Zanzinger with a six-month sentence
    Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears
    Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears

  • @zvn06110
    @zvn06110 Рік тому

    Why killed her?

  • @patriciathewisher2315
    @patriciathewisher2315 2 роки тому

    Bin thinking about JB and all I can hear is Phoney Joanie. Must've been harder to escape than a rottweiler