I'm waiting for the Gamesir Cyclone 2 to arrive, and I bought it for its solid features and few cons. Although I like the Vader 4 Pro or Apex 4, with their bags, charging docks, holders, and receivers, their prices are triple that of the Cyclone 2.
Saddens me the Tarantula Pro being this bad... I'm so tired of the "XBOX Style" layout, we need more with Straight analogs, and turns out this alternative is pretty bad? Great... Regardless, wish you a very good next year! Thanks for your support in doing these reviews.
Its not a firmware solution It is a physical problem with the construction of the controller A new firmware can't fix this, watch my review of the tarantula pro
First of all, thank you again for great work and professional approach. You made 2024 a little bit lighter for me. My favorite controller of this year is Beitong Kunpeng 40 because in Flydigi by durability so far. Second place it will be Apex 4 and Vader 4Pro. Especially Vader 4Pro needs a better quality of materials. These three controllers have the best d-pad for fighting games. Third place will be Wolverine V3 Pro because if F* HIGH price and Good option for it's money will be MACHENIKE G6 Pro Star Flash Edition too. Big surprise for me this year is PXN P5. Controller for 25 bucks is killing his more expensive competitors like Gamesir Nova and other budget controllers. Recommend you to check.
@@Psychotoxic86 I can report if you want. I think the p5 is a very good alternative. Unfortunately it has no tactile buttons on the key pad. The d pad is rather stiff. The triggerlock is a bit long, could be shorter. Back paddles have a good pressure point. Not too easy for unintentional triggering. But not too stiff either. I still like to use it, because it also separates the mapping to the Turbo.
@@rinosurber7919 Yes, you are right. And I agree with you, but as I said in the comment - it is the best controller for IT'S PRICE! Great quality of materials and assembling, triggers stops, four additional buttons and handy ergonomics.
I think the thundrobot g80 deserve the place of the G5 pro v2 , or at least based on the reviews , it is a better platform for the modules and you can buy it with 4 extra modules and live the dream . either way i hope they start selling the tmr modules , they should be compatible and even better.
@@LauroAbreu i know about it , i did't know they give two extra , but still the G80 is better physically buttons and so on at least based on the reviews , it would've been nice if the G80 was in this tier list.
@@MonderMatrix It is no better or worse than the Machenik. The buttons look the same. Even the small gap on the trigger lock is the same. The backpaddles are much too hard and do not have a clearly noticeable release point. However, I think the usage concept of the Thunderobot is better. But I recommend neither one nor the other. I couldn't change the sticks of any of them, although they were intended. With G6pro, the other sticks didn't fit into the holder, and with the G80 I had such strong stick drifts, even calibrating was of no use. I consider stick swapping to be a gimmick, nothing more. Instead of that, the manufacturers could have paid a little more attention to the details on their flagships.
@@rinosurber7919 thx for the info , i assume from what you're saying you have them both plus the G6pro so i am taking your opinion seriously, and they all should be comaptible with the same modules because they're also advertised this way when they're sold sperately . but i saw reviewers change the sticks several times and even buy seperate modules and they worked , and they use a special tool to remove them , and even saw in a japanese channel swapping modules between different controllers and they still work , and he even bough different TMR modules (they don't ship to me) with different tension and they still worked .
I can't lie, my first thought upon holding the GameSir Cyclone 2 is how cheap it feels compared to my G7 HE. And coincidentally my Tarantula Pro arrived a day later and the differences between both the Tarantula PRO & Cyclone 2 are day & night.
I came from primarily using first party controllers with hall effect upgraded sticks and my two favorite controllers are the apex 4 and vader 4, I've picked up w couple of others but they just dont compare. I don't have any issues with them on any decive I use them with.
Thank you for the List! Btw, where would you put the first Party Controllers of Xbox, Sony and Nintendo? I tried basically every first Party controller, later on I tried the KK3, but I returned it and now I'm still using default DualSense Controllers. I just like a "normal" dpad, the Gyro is good, the touchpad and the triggers and also the great Latency via Bluetooth. But I have my eyes on the Vader 4 Pro, because I miss trigger switches, extra front buttons and also nice back buttons/paddles. I just like good Gyro and good latency over bluetooth, especially if you connect multiple controllers, to play with friends for Fighting Games couch Gaming.
The Hall effect version of the Hexgaming phantom is light years ahead of my V4P in terms of performance. The lag of the V4P has to be mentioned here as it is quite noticeable when comparing the 2.
Yh ps5 controllers have the best latency out of any controller when overclocked I bought the vader 4 pro and i even prefer my ds4 as the v4p feels laggy and unresponsive at times also i hate the xbox layout
The latency issue is only high if you are using it with bluetooth connection Of you want that edge in the latency you should use a wired connection or at least a dongle And in that field it has 5ms wired and 8ms dongled
June 2024 is the day i stumbled upon gaming controller after my trusty Logitec F310 breaksdown after 5 years of services.Bought a few models, all i can say is it all has it's own perks and only one model i regret buying. apex 4 standard edition apex 4 BMW edition vader 4 pro wolverine v3 pro KK3 Max 8bit do 2c 8bit do ultimate Hori steam controller Gamesir Tarantula pro
Thank you very much for your video! I have the “GameSir G7 Wired Xbox Controller”. What tier does this controller belong to? It is particularly important to me that the analog sticks work well and that the triggers have a vibration. Wired or wireless is fine with me personally. Are there (several) purchase recommendations for different price categories? Happy new year 2025!
I waited so long for this video but then couldn't wait and bought the Gamesir Cyclone 2. I was getting the Vader 4 Pro for cheaper on sale at that point and I didn't get it. I'm so upset right now.
@@entityx990 vader 4 is better coz of the rapid trigger switch( u still can adjust the resistance/attuation of Apex 4 trigger button but it just wont feel the same as mechanical trigger vader 4 has) . only go for apex for if u want more immersive gaming experience.
Can anyone recommend a controller for fighting games? I only use the dpad. Playing street fighter 2, and want a dpad thats better than my ps3 dualshock. Thanks!!
Honestly I was a symmetrical fan but after the dualshock 3 I started to hate it The dualshock 4 and dualsense don't feel good for fighting games which is my main game for a symmetrical controller
@@VKsChannel Do you have recommendations for good Dpads? I was looking at the Cyclone 2, but if you got any others to do so, I'll highly appreciate it.
@@radiantansel202 Not We, you need. Stop talking from all people. I don't need, my friends don't need. But if developers will start to make more, it will be Ok. Why not.
So sad there are no premium parallel layout controllers since I dont understand how to play a game wich requiers active usage of both joysticks and dpad on an xbox layout
I think that's because the dualsense completely blows away any competition as there is nothing compared to the dualsense rumble currently And the only third party that got close was the apex 4 with the same adaptive triggers
@@stevenspencer5979 For Nintendo users, the Blitz2 is definitely the better choice. Of course, I prefer analog triggers with hair triggers as switch triggers, but in this case, the switch triggers are buttery soft and very short.
@@stevensv4864 Crying? Are brain-damaged? "g7 pro is coming" - so what? (Yes, it will be first wireless Xbox controller from Gamesir). Apex 5 is coming too and a lot of other gamepads.
Yeah and my apex 4 left stick is broken after 1 week, and the worst part it's brand new after got RMA for battery issue ... will not buy flydigi product again
The blitz 2 is good but it lacks the innovative features of the controllers above If it had the internal restriction optival buttons or tension adjustments for the sticks it would definetly be an S
I own controller X/Y/Z and have never used any of the other ones on the list but I still think its better, shame on you vk for not putting the one controller I happen to own at the top of your ranking 😤
The Gamesir Cyclone 2 has almost everything I need, so it's my main pick. My only gripes are that there's no HD Rumble and having 2 back buttons only. Other than that, it's the perfect controller for me and I even use it with my OG Xbox and Xbox 360 with the Wingman XB and soon with my PS2 when I get the Wingman PS2.
Thanks brother for the video ...have tried the vedar 4 pro it's the best thank you so much...but i need to know the thing l...that is .... what is better between gulikits tmr sticks and gamesir cyclone 2's tmr sticks?
The latency issue is only high if you are using it with bluetooth connection Of you want that edge in the latency you should use a wired connection or at least a dongle And in that field it has 5ms wired and 8ms dongled
The latency issue is only high if you are using it with bluetooth connection Of you want that edge in the latency you should use a wired connection or at least a dongle And in that field it has 5ms wired and 8ms dongled
there is another question on that matter, there are some stick configurations that adds latency to prevent snapback, the tests doesn't specify if those settings are on or off
How would you rank the Nintendo Switch Pro Controller, DualShock 4, and Xbox Series S/X Controller? I recently bought two GameSir G7 controllers. They feel nice in hand, but the shoulder buttons make a plastic scratching noise when pressed, which doesn’t happen with the Pro Controller or the DualShock 4.
Phhhhh....Nintendo Switch Pro Controller, DualShock 4, and Xbox Series S/X like dinosaurs old poop. These are not controllers of 2024, these controllers from your parents youth.
@@Psychotoxic86 If you don’t know how to answer a question without being offensive, please don’t respond. I asked VK for his opinion. If you have something useful to say, your input is welcome, but saying things like "dinosaurs old poop" or "they're from your parents' youth" doesn’t help at all.
At least in my case, the Dualshock 4 is great, is pretty comfy but being old means having to deal with MicroUSB instead of USB-C, they seem to break too often, and using them in PC without extra software can be funky. I love their ergonomics, and just wished more companies were willing to take in this design and update it. The idea of a Cyclone 2 or Vader 4 Pro with the PS Layout just makes me wish for it.
@@danielsfonseca What? Mate, what are you talking about? Offensive? These are very old controllers and not competitors for current controllers in any way. New controllers have a lot of new technologies like: microswitch buttons, anti-drift sticks, higher polling rate, more fast and stable connection, type C connector, a lot of additional buttons, mouse functions, etc. That's why I'm asking you from which era you are? What's the point of comparing old fat TV with new OLED Display?
Why is the dualsense out of your list? between those I'd pick the pro controller and the dualshock 4 with no favourite between them, the main reason why the xbox series controller is out is the lack of gyro sensors but in reality the dualsense is the best first party controller, the adaptive triggers and the high quality rumble motors makes it blow away the competition
I agree with Apex 4 😻😻😻 best purchase I had and still working! The others I've returned were in this list, either I don't like them or they simply didn't meet my needs and expectations.
Guys I want a ps5 controller with a bigger battery and drift free sticks Only play pc and would appreciate auto compatibility with games since I use ds4 for a lot of games Any tips?
Seems you're a flydigi fanboy. Although the Apex 4 as well as Vader 4 pro do an auto calibration during the game and the function cannot be deactivated in Nintendo Switch Mode. Your two best controllers are unplayable for me on the Switch, so not even a D rank. The Zeus 2, on the other hand, is close to perfection. Very smooth, precise. The machigate is over rated. The quality is mediocre. I couldn't even change the sticks. The trigger in switch mode has a very slight gap that is irritating. Otherwise, however, the X20 and Cyclone 2 are very good controllers. Easy to use. Both nit switch mode in trigger lock. The Blitz2 is excellent, smooth and very cool operating concept. Certainly higher than A. Where is the BigBig eon Rainbow 2? Manba, KP50, etc.? I appreciate your tests very much, but my opinion, not a successful ranking.
I don't see other people complaining about auto calibration What kind of game this calibration gives you problems? Also the whole tension adjustment and their stick modules are waaay more advanced than any other controller and not even to mention that the apex 4 has adaptive triggers that is another feature not present on any other controller, the vader 3 pro was the first to bring the dual trigger with microswitch On top of that flydigi controllers works wonderfully in smartphone games too with a perfect touch mapping app
@@VKsChanneltheres definitly games where auto calibration is a big problem but otherwise the flydigi controllers are really good imo.I think this ranking is really good but I think price shouldve been a factor too
@@VKsChannel What do I have against auto calibration? Play Splatoon (shooter with gyro) and you'll notice that this feature makes the controller unusable. The fact that you haven't noticed this influence when playing on Switch is a mystery to me with all the tests. But it's good if it doesn't affect you in the game. If the reference is always set anew during the game, then that's more than just annoying for me. And Flydigi confirms the behavior. So it's not an illusion of mine.
@@Sp3dy-lv7pi Absolutely agreed. At this price, you might expect to be able to set or at least deactivate such things. But it is not possible. And that's disappointing. For me, these two controllers are just lying around. I'll probably sell it soon, because I can't use it on the Nintendo Switch. On PC, PS or Xbox (without gyro) the controller will probably work better, hopefully.
This guy is doing an amazing job. He is providing high quality reviews. With all kind of analysis. And even if I disagree with him from time to time, he's opinion very useful. So f you!
You definetly need to watch more revirews before saying that I don't do paid reviews in any form and I expose all information about the controllers I review even the bad ones
I'm no flydigi fanboy Its objectively the most innovative controllers of this year Which controllers brought technology that is better than the apex4 and vader 4?
Are you nuts? DualSense Edge is an overpriced disaster with a dead battery. Rubber grips are awful too. After a year of use I replaced them, because rubber started to come unstuck. What a joke.
@@Psychotoxic86 0:57 - That disqualifies even a china knockoff from the very start.. That stick "slopback" is HORRENDOUS. That is not what you'll find on even a half decent controller. If you think bearings and slopback are superior to "classic" analog SUPER LIGHTWEIGHT sticks, you probably shouldn't give feedback or opinions on controllers as advice. I dare you find a better overall package than the DualSense Edge at the very end of 2024 that would cover all of the following: - Replaceable Stick modules (yes, hard to come by, but probably will find one in between them breaking.. IF you REALLY WANT TO that is.. ) - Sticks return to center with nearly ZERO SLOPBACK!.. (EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.. if you actually planning on USING THEM) - No sticks response delay or latency inducing processing (see artificial "perfect dead-zones" and "perfect circularity".. Those are WORKAROUNDS for poor hardware to boot.. ) - Decent Trackpad (can be configured for gestures - useful to duplicate your D-Pad when you can't let go of the L-Stick for one example.. ) - Best Gyro sensor there is on a "regular" controller (no, don't remind me of the Alpakka.. ) - DOMED Thumbsticks (yes, I'll put this a a GINORMOUS PRO - anything else is not intended use case.. bad controller to hand fitting is not an excuse.. ) - 23 INDIVIDUALLY ADDRESSABLE controls!.. (Steam Input or otherwise.. - the 2 back buttons and Fn buttons are NOT DUPLICATES of otherwise already existent controls!!!!!.. ) - Triggers with Hall Effect Sensors (the only place where it matters) 3 adjustable actuation points (yes, I know, the shortest COULD'VE BEEN A CLICK.. ) and metal hinge - You have the OPTION to swap between Buttons or Paddles for the backside controls at any time.. (no, 4 controls on the back is already too crowded, it's a GIMMICK.. ) - Configurable on PC via dedicated app without the need of a PS5 (PlayStation Accessories App.. ) - Integrated Speaker and Mic (the speaker is nice for games that play effects through it like reloading sounds, or radio static, etc. ) - Adaptive Triggers (also nice for supported games - Car Brake effects, Weapon Triggers, Bow string force, player's steps on different surfaces etc. etc. etc. ) - Ultra silent buttons (there are rubber gaskets around the main face buttons to prevent any plasticky noise from getting into the Mic. - the side effect is a nice and silent controller.. ) Yes, the battery is shit if you're planning on playing over 6 intense hours in one go.. not making any excuses here.. Rubber grips, idk, haven't had an issue with them in almost two years by now.. But if the Internet says so, then maybe SONY could put some better rubber on the DSE, I won't mind.
pro tip: do this list a month earlier to get that christmas affiliate money
I tried but couldn't get it ready in time
I'm waiting for the Gamesir Cyclone 2 to arrive, and I bought it for its solid features and few cons. Although I like the Vader 4 Pro or Apex 4, with their bags, charging docks, holders, and receivers, their prices are triple that of the Cyclone 2.
Saddens me the Tarantula Pro being this bad...
I'm so tired of the "XBOX Style" layout, we need more with Straight analogs, and turns out this alternative is pretty bad? Great...
Regardless, wish you a very good next year! Thanks for your support in doing these reviews.
why is it bad? I own it and it's pretty good
see the ending of the video where I explain why it sucks
I think those controllers are not suitable for fighting game, but in competitive shooting, racing, or just casual game that controllers are great
@@suryasuwono278 How is having the dpad in the primary position "not suitable for fighting games"?
@@radiantansel202 watch the end of the video
6:30 The D-pad button issue in Tarantula Pro has been updated to firmware 2.6 and fixed
Its not a firmware solution
It is a physical problem with the construction of the controller
A new firmware can't fix this, watch my review of the tarantula pro
I'm waiting for the Vader 5 Pro. Unless the Apex 5 is consistent with the quality and won't break within a few months then I'm getting that
The LCD screen on the Apex 4 always reminded me of the Sega Dreamcast with its VMU.
First of all, thank you again for great work and professional approach. You made 2024 a little bit lighter for me.
My favorite controller of this year is Beitong Kunpeng 40 because in Flydigi by durability so far.
Second place it will be Apex 4 and Vader 4Pro. Especially Vader 4Pro needs a better quality of materials. These three controllers have the best d-pad for fighting games.
Third place will be Wolverine V3 Pro because if F* HIGH price and Good option for it's money will be MACHENIKE G6 Pro Star Flash Edition too.
Big surprise for me this year is PXN P5. Controller for 25 bucks is killing his more expensive competitors like Gamesir Nova and other budget controllers. Recommend you to check.
@@Psychotoxic86 I can report if you want. I think the p5 is a very good alternative. Unfortunately it has no tactile buttons on the key pad. The d pad is rather stiff. The triggerlock is a bit long, could be shorter. Back paddles have a good pressure point. Not too easy for unintentional triggering. But not too stiff either. I still like to use it, because it also separates the mapping to the Turbo.
@@rinosurber7919 Yes, you are right. And I agree with you, but as I said in the comment - it is the best controller for IT'S PRICE! Great quality of materials and assembling, triggers stops, four additional buttons and handy ergonomics.
man that kupeng40 give me curiosity
have g7 se and cyclone 2 should i considere it
also waiting g7 pro
great! i have been waiting for a vid like this!
I think the thundrobot g80 deserve the place of the G5 pro v2 , or at least based on the reviews , it is a better platform for the modules and you can buy it with 4 extra modules and live the dream . either way i hope they start selling the tmr modules , they should be compatible and even better.
and happy new year
@@MonderMatrix there's already a version of G2 Pro V2 with 2 extra pairs of sticks out of the box, and with TMR sticks. Just look for the orange one.
@@LauroAbreu i know about it , i did't know they give two extra , but still the G80 is better physically buttons and so on at least based on the reviews , it would've been nice if the G80 was in this tier list.
@@MonderMatrix It is no better or worse than the Machenik. The buttons look the same. Even the small gap on the trigger lock is the same. The backpaddles are much too hard and do not have a clearly noticeable release point. However, I think the usage concept of the Thunderobot is better. But I recommend neither one nor the other. I couldn't change the sticks of any of them, although they were intended. With G6pro, the other sticks didn't fit into the holder, and with the G80 I had such strong stick drifts, even calibrating was of no use. I consider stick swapping to be a gimmick, nothing more. Instead of that, the manufacturers could have paid a little more attention to the details on their flagships.
@@rinosurber7919 thx for the info , i assume from what you're saying you have them both plus the G6pro so i am taking your opinion seriously, and they all should be comaptible with the same modules because they're also advertised this way when they're sold sperately . but i saw reviewers change the sticks several times and even buy seperate modules and they worked , and they use a special tool to remove them , and even saw in a japanese channel swapping modules between different controllers and they still work , and he even bough different TMR modules (they don't ship to me) with different tension and they still worked .
I can't lie, my first thought upon holding the GameSir Cyclone 2 is how cheap it feels compared to my G7 HE. And coincidentally my Tarantula Pro arrived a day later and the differences between both the Tarantula PRO & Cyclone 2 are day & night.
But how about the dpad
Does it has the same problem as mine?
@@VKsChannel Yes, it has. I have the same issue.
WHAT U MEAN BRO ?? cyclone 2 is Bad gamepad ??
I came from primarily using first party controllers with hall effect upgraded sticks and my two favorite controllers are the apex 4 and vader 4, I've picked up w couple of others but they just dont compare. I don't have any issues with them on any decive I use them with.
which two would you say have the best dpad of the bunch? The mobapad N?
Thank you for the List!
Btw, where would you put the first Party Controllers of Xbox, Sony and Nintendo?
I tried basically every first Party controller, later on I tried the KK3, but I returned it and now I'm still using default DualSense Controllers. I just like a "normal" dpad, the Gyro is good, the touchpad and the triggers and also the great Latency via Bluetooth.
But I have my eyes on the Vader 4 Pro, because I miss trigger switches, extra front buttons and also nice back buttons/paddles. I just like good Gyro and good latency over bluetooth, especially if you connect multiple controllers, to play with friends for Fighting Games couch Gaming.
Dualsense first
Switch pro controller second
Xbox third
The Hall effect version of the Hexgaming phantom is light years ahead of my V4P in terms of performance. The lag of the V4P has to be mentioned here as it is quite noticeable when comparing the 2.
Yh ps5 controllers have the best latency out of any controller when overclocked
I bought the vader 4 pro and i even prefer my ds4 as the v4p feels laggy and unresponsive at times also i hate the xbox layout
The latency issue is only high if you are using it with bluetooth connection
Of you want that edge in the latency you should use a wired connection or at least a dongle
And in that field it has 5ms wired and 8ms dongled
The hexgaming is $250 so it will be a hard choice to drop tat much
Direwolf 3?
June 2024 is the day i stumbled upon gaming controller after my trusty Logitec F310 breaksdown after 5 years of services.Bought a few models, all i can say is it all has it's own perks and only one model i regret buying.
apex 4 standard edition
apex 4 BMW edition
vader 4 pro
wolverine v3 pro
KK3 Max
8bit do 2c
8bit do ultimate
Hori steam controller
Gamesir Tarantula pro
Wish there was a Steam Controller 2.
Thank you very much for your video!
I have the “GameSir G7 Wired Xbox Controller”.
What tier does this controller belong to?
It is particularly important to me that the analog sticks work well and that the triggers have a vibration.
Wired or wireless is fine with me personally.
Are there (several) purchase recommendations for different price categories?
Happy new year 2025!
I waited so long for this video but then couldn't wait and bought the Gamesir Cyclone 2. I was getting the Vader 4 Pro for cheaper on sale at that point and I didn't get it. I'm so upset right now.
Bruv whats the best one for ps4
When you gonna review easysmx x20. I already bought the controller. I just want to hear your opinions.
Not anytime soon
Easysmx have no plans to promote that model
What about Easysmx x15?
For play fps game better Vader 4 or Apex 4 ?
vader 4 because of the microswitch trigger
@VKsChannel thank you very much, I have another question... regarding the precision of the sticks, is the Apex 4 recommended for fps?
@@entityx990 vader 4 is better coz of the rapid trigger switch( u still can adjust the resistance/attuation of Apex 4 trigger button but it just wont feel the same as mechanical trigger vader 4 has) . only go for apex for if u want more immersive gaming experience.
whats the difference between BMW 2c and standard 2c? except the design..
Just the design
engagement engaged
is it possible to build a custom controller with dualsense board inside xbox controller shell?
Rareza Wolverine????
Can anyone recommend a controller for fighting games? I only use the dpad.
Playing street fighter 2, and want a dpad thats better than my ps3 dualshock.
Thanks!!
Apex 4 / vader 4 pro / direwolf 3 / 8bit do ultimate 2C / asura 2 pro plus / kunpeng 40
@@VKsChannel Thanks. Is this in order from best to worst? If not ill just look into each one and decide.
Would you recommend the cyclone 2 or the 8bitdo ultimate bluetooth for nintendo switch mainly and occasionally pc?
Cyclone 2
Why do controller manufacturers hate symmetrical design. Like there was only 1 in this list and its a dualsense mod
Because Xbox layout much and much popular. Statistics.
A dualsense mod, and the Tarantula which turn out to be bad.
We need more options with symmetrical sincerely.
Honestly I was a symmetrical fan but after the dualshock 3 I started to hate it
The dualshock 4 and dualsense don't feel good for fighting games which is my main game for a symmetrical controller
@@VKsChannel Do you have recommendations for good Dpads? I was looking at the Cyclone 2, but if you got any others to do so, I'll highly appreciate it.
@@radiantansel202 Apex 4, Vader 4PRo and Beitong Kunpeng 40 have best d-pads. I'm telling you like a competitive fighting game player.
I wish they'll fix tarantula pro or release v2. Button switching is cool but unnecessary.
Button switching it "must have" feature! I had this idea a long time a go, but with different implementation.
The button switching is really not bad as a cherry on top feature. But when things like the d-pad and latency are lacking, it's just a gimmick
@@CaptnYestrday Yes, in this case you are right! Totally agree.
We just need more straight layout controllers, I don't care about the button switching.
@@radiantansel202 Not We, you need. Stop talking from all people. I don't need, my friends don't need. But if developers will start to make more, it will be Ok. Why not.
So sad there are no premium parallel layout controllers since I dont understand how to play a game wich requiers active usage of both joysticks and dpad on an xbox layout
I think that's because the dualsense completely blows away any competition as there is nothing compared to the dualsense rumble currently
And the only third party that got close was the apex 4 with the same adaptive triggers
Surprised blitz 2 wasnt higher on the list
Would you say the apex 4 has better analogs sticks?
Probably because it’s really designed for one type of game
@@stevenspencer5979 Yes, it has.
@@stevenspencer5979 For Nintendo users, the Blitz2 is definitely the better choice. Of course, I prefer analog triggers with hair triggers as switch triggers, but in this case, the switch triggers are buttery soft and very short.
Apex4, Vader 4Pro, Kunpeng 40 and Gamesir Cyclone 2 kicked this year. Razer W3 Pro great, but too. expensive.
P.S. Wish you successful 2025! 😊
Too bad Gamesir G7 SE and HE not included in your list.
Is the 8bitdo ultimate bt shit ?
Maybe it was in 2023?
@@Psychotoxic86 The GameSir G7 HE wired controller was released in July 2024. g7 se Jun 13th, 2023
@@stevensv4864 Okay, G7 HE WIRED! This is answer. Who f cares about wired controllers? It must be an option. Period.
@@Psychotoxic86 shh g7 pro is coming stop crying
@@stevensv4864 Crying? Are brain-damaged? "g7 pro is coming" - so what? (Yes, it will be first wireless Xbox controller from Gamesir). Apex 5 is coming too and a lot of other gamepads.
Yeah and my apex 4 left stick is broken after 1 week, and the worst part it's brand new after got RMA for battery issue ... will not buy flydigi product again
Yeah this happened to some people They said this was a defective batch
Have you tried contacting them about it?
surprised to not see the turtlebeach pivot anywhere here
I didn't review those yet =(
@VKsChannel ill be waiting for your review then!
Controversial controller with good membrane d-pad.
kindl review the Nyxi Flexi please
You should check the BSP D8 PRO
i got that, its my favorite telescopic controller. has the best feeling buttons
after using it for more than 2 months almost daily . i really think the bigbigwon blitz 2 deserves a spot at the s tier
The blitz 2 is good but it lacks the innovative features of the controllers above
If it had the internal restriction optival buttons or tension adjustments for the sticks it would definetly be an S
apex 4 is not that good though because its stick is very sensitive unlike blitz 2 where it's balance
I own controller X/Y/Z and have never used any of the other ones on the list but I still think its better, shame on you vk for not putting the one controller I happen to own at the top of your ranking 😤
???? Sounds so stupid.
The Gamesir Cyclone 2 has almost everything I need, so it's my main pick. My only gripes are that there's no HD Rumble and having 2 back buttons only. Other than that, it's the perfect controller for me and I even use it with my OG Xbox and Xbox 360 with the Wingman XB and soon with my PS2 when I get the Wingman PS2.
Thanks brother for the video ...have tried the vedar 4 pro it's the best thank you so much...but i need to know the thing l...that is .... what is better between gulikits tmr sticks and gamesir cyclone 2's tmr sticks?
Did apex 3 still worth?
Quality of rubber grips not good. But controller is still amazing. Quality of materials of Apex 4 is better.
Absolutely not
s+ are flidigy but its not considered latency?
The latency issue is only high if you are using it with bluetooth connection
Of you want that edge in the latency you should use a wired connection or at least a dongle
And in that field it has 5ms wired and 8ms dongled
I can't believe you didn't talk about V4P latency problems.
The latency issue is only high if you are using it with bluetooth connection
Of you want that edge in the latency you should use a wired connection or at least a dongle
And in that field it has 5ms wired and 8ms dongled
@@VKsChannel according to gamepadla, stick latency is 11ms wired and 16ms dongle. Compared to ultimate 2c, which is much cheaper, it's awful IMO.
@@LnDSuv That's the stick latency
the button latency is down below
there is another question on that matter, there are some stick configurations that adds latency to prevent snapback, the tests doesn't specify if those settings are on or off
How would you rank the Nintendo Switch Pro Controller, DualShock 4, and Xbox Series S/X Controller? I recently bought two GameSir G7 controllers. They feel nice in hand, but the shoulder buttons make a plastic scratching noise when pressed, which doesn’t happen with the Pro Controller or the DualShock 4.
Phhhhh....Nintendo Switch Pro Controller, DualShock 4, and Xbox Series S/X like dinosaurs old poop. These are not controllers of 2024, these controllers from your parents youth.
@@Psychotoxic86
If you don’t know how to answer a question without being offensive, please don’t respond. I asked VK for his opinion. If you have something useful to say, your input is welcome, but saying things like "dinosaurs old poop" or "they're from your parents' youth" doesn’t help at all.
At least in my case, the Dualshock 4 is great, is pretty comfy but being old means having to deal with MicroUSB instead of USB-C, they seem to break too often, and using them in PC without extra software can be funky.
I love their ergonomics, and just wished more companies were willing to take in this design and update it.
The idea of a Cyclone 2 or Vader 4 Pro with the PS Layout just makes me wish for it.
@@danielsfonseca What? Mate, what are you talking about? Offensive?
These are very old controllers and not competitors for current controllers in any way. New controllers have a lot of new technologies like: microswitch buttons, anti-drift sticks, higher polling rate, more fast and stable connection, type C connector, a lot of additional buttons, mouse functions, etc. That's why I'm asking you from which era you are? What's the point of comparing old fat TV with new OLED Display?
Why is the dualsense out of your list?
between those I'd pick the pro controller and the dualshock 4 with no favourite between them, the main reason why the xbox series controller is out is the lack of gyro sensors
but in reality the dualsense is the best first party controller, the adaptive triggers and the high quality rumble motors makes it blow away the competition
I hope you can review the Easysmx x20 and flydigi direwolf 3, after that maybe I'll buy a controller xD anyway thanks for the tierlist!
Direwolf 3 will arrive soon
@@VKsChannel Good update for Direwolf 2.
Where would an MSI Force controller and Gamesir G7 rank?
MSI Force is peace of crap. Didn't deserve to be on this list or took lowest position.
Msi force gc30 is shit, gamesir g7 se is overrated
@@underking9711About G7 SE totally agree
I agree with Apex 4 😻😻😻 best purchase I had and still working! The others I've returned were in this list, either I don't like them or they simply didn't meet my needs and expectations.
where is the abxylute S9?
Didn't review that =(
Gamesir Nova Lite?
This is just a cheap mediocre controller. PXN P5 much stronger and better option for a cheaper price.
Probably just above the SMX X05.
steam controller still best
Yes, the 8bitdo ultimate 2c for mere mortals like me. 🤗
Guys I want a ps5 controller with a bigger battery and drift free sticks
Only play pc and would appreciate auto compatibility with games since I use ds4 for a lot of games
Any tips?
you can buy a standart dualsense and mod the battery, there are batteries with double capacity being sold online now
@ what about the cheap sticks?
@@gtanibal You can replace them too. Now there are a lot of modifications on the market for Dualsense.
I'll stick with King Kong 3 Max. Apex 4 is too large of a cost when it breaks down
Poor soul. Find a job.
Seems you're a flydigi fanboy. Although the Apex 4 as well as Vader 4 pro do an auto calibration during the game and the function cannot be deactivated in Nintendo Switch Mode. Your two best controllers are unplayable for me on the Switch, so not even a D rank. The Zeus 2, on the other hand, is close to perfection. Very smooth, precise. The machigate is over rated. The quality is mediocre. I couldn't even change the sticks. The trigger in switch mode has a very slight gap that is irritating. Otherwise, however, the X20 and Cyclone 2 are very good controllers. Easy to use. Both nit switch mode in trigger lock. The Blitz2 is excellent, smooth and very cool operating concept. Certainly higher than A. Where is the BigBig eon Rainbow 2? Manba, KP50, etc.? I appreciate your tests very much, but my opinion, not a successful ranking.
I don't see other people complaining about auto calibration
What kind of game this calibration gives you problems?
Also the whole tension adjustment and their stick modules are waaay more advanced than any other controller and not even to mention that the apex 4 has adaptive triggers that is another feature not present on any other controller, the vader 3 pro was the first to bring the dual trigger with microswitch
On top of that flydigi controllers works wonderfully in smartphone games too with a perfect touch mapping app
@@VKsChanneltheres definitly games where auto calibration is a big problem but otherwise the flydigi controllers are really good imo.I think this ranking is really good but I think price shouldve been a factor too
@@VKsChannel What do I have against auto calibration? Play Splatoon (shooter with gyro) and you'll notice that this feature makes the controller unusable. The fact that you haven't noticed this influence when playing on Switch is a mystery to me with all the tests. But it's good if it doesn't affect you in the game. If the reference is always set anew during the game, then that's more than just annoying for me. And Flydigi confirms the behavior. So it's not an illusion of mine.
@@Sp3dy-lv7pi Absolutely agreed. At this price, you might expect to be able to set or at least deactivate such things. But it is not possible. And that's disappointing. For me, these two controllers are just lying around. I'll probably sell it soon, because I can't use it on the Nintendo Switch. On PC, PS or Xbox (without gyro) the controller will probably work better, hopefully.
We’re living in an era where people are getting too comfortable talking to strangers very rudely. Your entire rant, proves it!
Second 💀
Controllers are gay, just like Roller Skates.
in the end, you only need one that fits your needs. don't pay attention to merchants, shills and fake reviewer, like this guy here
This guy is doing an amazing job. He is providing high quality reviews. With all kind of analysis. And even if I disagree with him from time to time, he's opinion very useful. So f you!
Sometimes you have to absorb all forms of information even the more biased reviewers.
You definetly need to watch more revirews before saying that
I don't do paid reviews in any form and I expose all information about the controllers I review even the bad ones
Pls be a joke flydigi fanboy
I understand if they're paying u tho
Still your list doesn't make sense i'm glad i skipped to the end
I'm no flydigi fanboy
Its objectively the most innovative controllers of this year
Which controllers brought technology that is better than the apex4 and vader 4?
@@VKsChannel He is just another hater from nowhere. But about new technology: I like changing the height stick from PowerA Battle Dragon.
You forgot to put the DualSense Edge in the S++ tier tho..
Are you nuts? DualSense Edge is an overpriced disaster with a dead battery.
Rubber grips are awful too. After a year of use I replaced them, because rubber started to come unstuck. What a joke.
@@Psychotoxic86
0:57 - That disqualifies even a china knockoff from the very start.. That stick "slopback" is HORRENDOUS. That is not what you'll find on even a half decent controller. If you think bearings and slopback are superior to "classic" analog SUPER LIGHTWEIGHT sticks, you probably shouldn't give feedback or opinions on controllers as advice.
I dare you find a better overall package than the DualSense Edge at the very end of 2024 that would cover all of the following:
- Replaceable Stick modules (yes, hard to come by, but probably will find one in between them breaking.. IF you REALLY WANT TO that is.. )
- Sticks return to center with nearly ZERO SLOPBACK!.. (EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.. if you actually planning on USING THEM)
- No sticks response delay or latency inducing processing (see artificial "perfect dead-zones" and "perfect circularity".. Those are WORKAROUNDS for poor hardware to boot.. )
- Decent Trackpad (can be configured for gestures - useful to duplicate your D-Pad when you can't let go of the L-Stick for one example.. )
- Best Gyro sensor there is on a "regular" controller (no, don't remind me of the Alpakka.. )
- DOMED Thumbsticks (yes, I'll put this a a GINORMOUS PRO - anything else is not intended use case.. bad controller to hand fitting is not an excuse.. )
- 23 INDIVIDUALLY ADDRESSABLE controls!.. (Steam Input or otherwise.. - the 2 back buttons and Fn buttons are NOT DUPLICATES of otherwise already existent controls!!!!!.. )
- Triggers with Hall Effect Sensors (the only place where it matters) 3 adjustable actuation points (yes, I know, the shortest COULD'VE BEEN A CLICK.. ) and metal hinge
- You have the OPTION to swap between Buttons or Paddles for the backside controls at any time.. (no, 4 controls on the back is already too crowded, it's a GIMMICK.. )
- Configurable on PC via dedicated app without the need of a PS5 (PlayStation Accessories App.. )
- Integrated Speaker and Mic (the speaker is nice for games that play effects through it like reloading sounds, or radio static, etc. )
- Adaptive Triggers (also nice for supported games - Car Brake effects, Weapon Triggers, Bow string force, player's steps on different surfaces etc. etc. etc. )
- Ultra silent buttons (there are rubber gaskets around the main face buttons to prevent any plasticky noise from getting into the Mic. - the side effect is a nice and silent controller.. )
Yes, the battery is shit if you're planning on playing over 6 intense hours in one go.. not making any excuses here.. Rubber grips, idk, haven't had an issue with them in almost two years by now.. But if the Internet says so, then maybe SONY could put some better rubber on the DSE, I won't mind.
this is a third party controller tierlist so first parties are out with the exception of the hexphantom that are half first half third lol
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