Assioma Duos: US$675, on Favero's website, vs Rally 200s: US$1100 on Garmin's website. You can buy a lot of cleats for that price difference. Value for money, Assioma is the clear winner here.
Another brilliant review Shane 👌. I’ve loved my Vector 2’s, apart from the pedal pods. Have been 100% reliable though. I’ve been waiting for these and very very happy to have my Shimano cleats back. I’ve ridden Shimano for 25 years until my wife bought me the Vector 2’s over 5 years ago. She’s just bought me the new Rally 200’s for Christmas! I’m a lucky man. Look forward to trying them tomorrow.
Really glad 2-bolt SPD cleat-compatible pedals are starting to be a thing, although I couldn’t justify buying a set at this price. Hopefully Favero or someone follows suit and manages to drive the price down a bit.
New firmware update (4.00) to address the ‘quality of the zero-offset calibration’ and has ‘improved zero-offset temperature compensation’ Very interested to see if this swings things in a more favourable direction.
@@gplama many thanks Shane. There’s a European sale on the Rally range at the mo and a North America rebate offer in place which has knocked down the price by 20-25% which is a far more attractive offering
Shane - thank you for your great review of the RALLY Power Meter pedals. I am probably one of the few 100% satisfied customers of the Vector3 pedal. I have had the set for almost a year now and almost 1000 miles on them and could not be happier. But as a gravel cyclist the SPD road pedals and cleats did get beat up on those days where hike-a-bike efforts were required. Yesterday my new RALLY XC pedals arrived and i just finished a 40 mile ride ..... I love them .... and since I have 2 NINER gravel bikes a conversion kit will soon be in the budget. The price of the pedals are expensive but I closed my eyes on the "buy now" tab. Thank you for great product reviews and ride safe
My right side pedal seems to have just decided to die... Worked back and forth with Garmin and they sent me "new" refurb pedals after trying a battery circuit board replacement that still didn't fix the original dead pedal. All up and running smoothly again now with the new pedals. Garmin continuing to be great at customer support!
Have a touring MTB and a road bike and this video really convinced me to buy the RS100. Enough data for me, Garmin solved many problems with the Vector3 and i can use them for all my bikes.
Of course, it’s just a thing of preferences, but honestly I don’t understand or find the difference between using SPD-SL or Look cleats. Before my Assioma Duo I was using Ultegra pedals and it was just a matter of change pedals, cleats and ride. Literally I never found any difference between the systems. Both engage and feel the same, I never noticed the change. I mean, I can’t see how just a cleat system could be a dealbreaker, considering, of course, just 1 bike, if you have several bikes with shimano system, could have some sense but in the end part of the advantages of pedal based powermeters is to be able to change easily from one bike to another. Great video, as always! 🦙
Oh yay!! The Rally XC is what I’m looking for since the SPD cleat it superior for commuting. Although the Wahoo Speedplay cleats have me rethinking and waiting for their power meter option. Could a Lama Lab test involve running up and down train station stair case with a bike on shoulder as the commuter test case? SPD-SL aren’t great (from experience almost falling many times). Now that I describe this, I realise commuting is urban cyclocross.
Glad I'm not the only person itching for an SPD power meter pedal for my commuting bikes! Is putting power meter pedals on a Brompton over the top? :D (I already have SPD on it as I hate not being clipped in) (TBH, I often consider putting SPD on my road bike, since I find SPD-SL a real PITA in traffic. Getting away quickly from the lights is an art form I _still_ haven't perfected after more than 20 years of using them...)
Just bought a pair of Asioma a couple of months ago and I love them. The cost of these new pedals will have to come down about 30% before I take another look.
I watched this video a year ago and made the call to buy these pedals, may have gone over the top but really do not like changing pedals between bikes. So I bought 3 sets of the Rally Look Keo dual and 1 set of the Shimano SPD dual. All 4 sets have been in constant use. I have loved the pedals and fount them to be fantastic power meters. If I was to raise a issue it would be that the batteries are hard to find in RSA and that the head unit does not report low battery well. Other than these two small issues I would recommend these pedals all day.
Just as my Fevero Assiomas arrived this morning! Happy to have years of proven reliability behind them though...even if I'd rather be doing it on Shimano cleats!
With the Shimano patent, that covered the spd-sl standard, out of the way, it’s probably only a matter of time, until favero releases a spd-sl body for the assiomas.
Let's see, I do quite a bit of walking with cleats and people told me Look cleats are slippery as hell. And I know that during one of my races, the closest I was to falling was during an after finish run to the restaurant bathrooms :-D
Same here. I had so many problems with my garmin V3 that they had to refund under warranty after a year of inconsistencies. I had just enough data to confirm almost perfect L/R balance and went for a 300$ left crank stages. Superbly consistent, no problem whatsoever, power in line with my neo. Like many others, I lost confidence with the vectors tbh. Hence their change of branding I guess?
I have been interested in a power meter for a while and had my eye on the Assiomas! Got quite excited when i saw this this morning! These do look awesome, I like how you have the choice of different pedals but i think the price they are asking for them is just a tad too much for me to justify at this point! Think i might still go for the Assiomas as it looks like they have nailed it and they seem to have plenty of happy customers!
As an owner of the V3's when they were released, I hope Garmin get things right with these pedals. I moved over to the Assioma's within 6 months of the V3's, due to their well documented battery issues. The price point for these pedals are not in the same ball park and charging what they want because they can doesn't inspire customer brand loyalty. Saying all that, it is good that finally other options exist for Shimano cleats and XC pedals. Pedal bodies way too much though. Can't help but think the price point will put a lot of people off when compared to the reliability of the competition.
I haven't really had any problems with my Vector 3s apart from changing the 4 LR44s. A couple of years ago I did ask there help desk if I could use the single lithium cells instead of faffing around with the LR44s and they said no I couldn't do that as it would damage them - so much for that then. Garmin did send me some upgraded battery covers for free when I requested them though. Nice to see the improvement on the V3s, thanks for an in-depth review - I did wonder what the differences were from the V3s.
Very nice options, and I think Garmin is not expensive as you have a lot of support, I only hope some one develop a rechargeable cr1/3n, what I love about my Garmin v2 is use of rechargeable battery
Good to have this out there! Now I just need to see what the Wahoo Speedplay power meter is like too, then maybe I'll get round to actually buying one of them... Still, the Assioma Duo are likely to still be the cheapest
I realize you are not a MTB'er, Shane, but I would love to see you do a deep dive power comparison in the SBD version before and after a few rock strikes. Even the best of riders knock their pedals pretty dang hard on rocks on a regular basis. I'd be worried what happens to them taking such hard knocks.
I second that. My Quarq crank arms hit rocks REALLY hard a few times during gravel group rides last year. I'm pretty amazed that they even survived. Maybe I should try to re-calibrate them some day.
I like just about all Garmin stuff. However, that price. The price is way too high, at least for me it is. I am waiting for an updated version of the Favero pedals for my next power pedals.
Garmin Vector3 lasted one ride for me, even with all the updates (but still 2 batteries), dropouts (not such an issue) followed by 1200W power spike when going over a cattle-stop; had to return them. Assioma have never missed a beat... integrated non-removable battery is the superior solution.
IMO, Assioma design is still better by not having the electronics on the pedal bodies. Also, the pricing. I believe the days for PM price exceeding $1,000 are over.
Hey Shane. Watched this video a few times now trying to convince myself I can look past the data issues you highlighted but just can’t do it at that price. They have to be spot on the justify that sort of premium. I’d buy the Assioma’s but don’t want to give up my SPD-SL’s. Any further updates coming 👀? Thanks for the great content.
@@gplama Thanks for the reply and advice Shane. I have looked into that route but can’t get all the parts due to current supply issues. It’s compounded by my good old Trek 24mm BB and running 165 cranks. Means I have very limited options and they come out very expensive, same or more than the Rally pedals, for a single power measurement and no left/right data etc... Thanks again, love the content.
Hi Shane! Thanks for your thorough powermeter tests and the insights they provide!!! Any news re. the problems you detected? Problem 1 / 1a and problem 2 still open or some of it solved after your exchange with Garmin? Or are you still in contact with Garmin re the open topics?
@@tcb746 I've converted my RS200 into XC200 and have been riding those for the last few months. This has introduced a few other issues that.I don't see with other meters.
Great content, as usual. And finally something for SPD. Will do well on my MTB and Gravel. However, since I don't have any experience with power meters at the moment, I'm wondering what would the benefits of the dual-sided be. Is there even any for casual/ambitioned riders?
I’m still having issues with residual torque (or floating offsets) after hard sprints. I can’t rely on them to compare other meters against unless I keep manually zeroing them.
Thanks for the review…. yes they are expensive, really don’t like that they made MTB more expensive than Road…. would rather they had a standardised pricing list across platforms.
930 vs 650 euro for Assiomas. Who is crazy enough to pay this if there are equal alternatives... does not make sense for me... Imo there are no reasons good enough to choose these over others with the price difference...
I would love MTB SPD Rally over my currently hacked Assioma + Xpedo, but it looks like the power/cadence is still all over the place and the replaceable battery bugs me - water is bound to ingress sooner or later. I hope Rally v2 will come soon enough with better cadence measurement and rechargeable battery.
Hey Shane! Brilliant review as always! Have you had the chance to test the new firmware? I’m planning to get the Rally RS200 but I wonder if they fixed the cadence issue. Thanks!
Maybe just maybe, the advantage of favero assioma in terms of hardware design is on the pod. It is sealed, no moisture and much consistent in terms of temperature drift since it's sealed.
Hi Shane, just wondering if you will do a long term review? I am building a new bike and need to buy a power meter before I go for my bike fit. I would love a Shimano cleats power meter and was hoping to see a long term review of Garmin RS :) Thanks brother
So Favero Assioma/Xpedo SPD Hack is still the best option for gravel or off road power since they'd cost about $200 USD less and provide better power accuracy?
You would also have to take buying the expedo pedals into account. Xpedo m-force 8 pedals are pretty expensive, somewhere between 150 and 200 euros in Belgium. The m-force 4 pedals are cheaper but still... And you’d void the warranty. I’m a happy Assioma user myself, I think I’ll hold off and hope that Favero come up with an spd compatible powermeter pedal. If not, it’ll be single sided Stages on the GRX crank.
@@filipdeneve7712 You're correct and in fact I did take that into account. Favero Assioma Duos directly from their website are $675 USD. M-force 8's are $235 and 4's are $160. In total you'd spend either $910 or $835. The pricing matrix at 2:30 into the video shows the Rally XC at $1,199. So you'd save $289 or $364 depending on which Xpedo pedal you choose. It's probably highly dependent on the country you're in.
I'm really interested in getting a pair of pedal based power meters. I use pedal extenders to help with an old hip injury so I would love to see a test of the power output of a pedal based system when installed with extenders. I keep thinking it should have no adverse effect but it would be nice to have that verified. :-)
Trying to decide between these and the assioma duos. Reading other comments it seems like things are better with the rally’s compared to when you did this video with the exception of hard sprints. Have you noticed if there is a certain wattage where the issue starts?
hello shane. thanks for your videos! I'm about to buy some garmin rally but when I see your video I enter the doubt, it really is not worth it? I get them with a significant discount, at the price of a quarq dub, but the latter would have to take it to the store to ride. I had it clear until I saw this video
Hey Shane, I like the stability of the shimano road pedals over the speedplay since i have wide feet. Which power pedals you suggest between the Asiomma Shi and Garmin Rally road? (So tempted to get the Powerlnk speedplay)
Like you I prefer the blue SPD-SL cleats but I moved over to Look zero degree cleats with Look Keo Blades a while ago & have got used to them. As a 1st time power meter purchaser (who is still not sure whether to go crank based or pedals) why would I buy the LK version of these over the Assiomas apart from aesthetics?
Great video, Shane - thank you! Quick question: I can get the Vector 3 in the UK for £600. I could buy those and switch my Shimano SPD-SL cleats to Look cleats. Or I can buy the RS200 conversion kit for an extra £180 and continue using my Shimano cleats. But is it really worth spending the extra money? Most people seem to say that the difference between the Shimano SPD-SL cleats and the Look cleats is negligible? Would love to know your thoughts on this... (If relevant, I use the yellow shimano cleats - 6% float) Thanks!
It might interesting to try the test with the cleats provided with Garmin. There could be a different interaction between the cleat, shoe and pedal considering that there was a weight difference.
The cleats that Garmin supply are widely sold by other brands like Wiggle's Lifeline version. I use them as in my usage they last much longer than the Shimano version and they are cheaper too. Only downside is that it doesn't have the soft grippy parts for walking. It's just plastic. You won't slip unless you are walking on real slippery surfaces but that is probably where the extra couple of grams are coming from. Plus if you are walking for any longer than 1 minute, then just get the cleat covers.
Very interesting, thanks. Just one question : With the SPD-SL cleats on Dura Ace, there is freedom of lateral movement of the foot (the whole foot, I'm not talking about angular rotation). Is this possible with the RS200?
I used Shimano blue cleats before I got the Assiomas and, to be honest, I do not notice any difference between them and the Look ones. The Shimanos look wider, but it is only the part you walk on which is wider. The pedal contact points are almost identical.
The Wellgo (which they claim as Look Keo compatible) have a little lip on the back which takes a slight wiggle to get in. SPD-SL slide straight in a little easier for me.
@@gplama I have not tried Wellgo. I am using Look Keos 0% float at the moment with some xpedos 0% float in reserve. If I ever return to my Dura Ace pedals, I will buy the Shimano red cleats; for I find that, when set up correctly, 0% cleats make my knee tracking consistent.
Hello, Thanks for the video. As I practice the mtb and the racing bike, I would like to know if. Is the change between the XC and RS version something you can do every week or twice a year?
@Ali Abdullah there is a rumor of assioma spd-sl so heres hoping they drop a spd set as well. if not im thinking of just doing the conversion hack for assioma.
Deja vu all over again - Y Berra. Okay, now including more cleat types. Nice but still too expensive when compared to the Assiomas. Favero will likely come out with SPD, SPD-SL models as well. A rose by any other name is still a rose.....
I’ve had several sets of vector 3 replaced under warranty. Drop outs, separation of pedal body and also keep having pedal body wear out or break sections off inside 9 months. Keep swapping back to my ultegra pedals from 2012 when waiting on replacement as they’re still going strong. Hoping new pedal bodies wear a bit better possibly Shane?
Have there been any improvements to these since this review increasing reliability and accuracy when riding outside with the temperature swings? Enough to where you would recommend them?
Shane, I got the CX100, and the conversion kit to change them into the Shimano SPD-SL. I put my bike on the trainer and did a few harder efforts, and Garmin read around 10-15w lower than my Kickr and Quarq. Any suggestions on how to bump up the power on the Garmin Rally? Thank you!
I'm done with Garmin Power Pedals (or any Garmin cycling product for that matter) - Vector 3 "veteran" here. Riding Assiomas now - after two years not one single dropout to report.
So, the big question. How did Garmin get around the SPD-SL patent / licence issue? Did they give Shimano a shit load of money, hence the price premium? Is this essentially Shimano's SPD-SL PM pedal or are they going to bring out their own diluting the Garmin RALLY offering. Where does it leave Favero? Can they do the same? They'll need to. And biggest of all, can they please do a Time pedal body!! Pretty please. Still, tempted now to convert the assiomas to spd and look at these as an alternative road PM pedal.
All we've been told (well... I've been told) is that Garmin and Shimano have a good relationship. Maybe Shimano aren't interested in pedal power? It'd make more sense for them too sort out their Power-Potato-Meter with the new DuraAce first and keep the pedals light. Can Favero do the same? Maybe. That pod will be a problem, as it is with the SPD hacks.
@@gplama Might be in Shimano's best interest to OS the SPD-SL licence. As for Favero, I'd not be surprised to see an updated Assioma, or a new pedal in the next 6 months. Agree this has disrupted the market somewhat, which is all good for us serfs.
Any updates or continued reviews? Always look here - have both Assioma and the new Rally's - seem to be similar of course can't test them against each other. THANKS!!
Wow they also aren't compatible with the dura ace r9100 pedal body which is what I use... An instant buy on release day has turned into a hard pass. Perhaps the garmin rally is the way to go, although I haven't seen many long term reviews.
Shane, have you had issues with the bearings in the vector 3? Or heard of issues? I’ve had my for 4.5 years, done around 30k kms on them and the bearings have now failed twice. Both times on the left hand pedal.
30k kms is a lot of miles... and kms! :) I haven't done anywhere near that on the Vectors/Rallys I have, so no, no issues here. I assume Garmin are saying that's the expected lifespan and to buy new pedal bodies?
@@gplama thanks for the quick reply. I didn’t talk to Garmin about it. I figured it was time for new pedals anyway, so I’m waiting on the new rally’s to arrive. I might order the body kits and put them on the trainer bike. Thanks again for your help.
After the firmware update to version 4.1, I can wait about 10 minutes each time after turning the crank for the left and right pedals to synchronize - the green and red lights flash continuously (Gramin Rally RS 200 pedals). Is this a weakness of the new Firmware? With the previous (older) firmware, there were no such waits.
Thanks Shane. If coming from the Shimano XT M8100 pedal to the Rally XC's, would you recommend changing the saddle height due to the stack height difference?
@@gplama Hey Shane, there response was: The complete stack measurement from the centre of pedal axle to top of the engagement mechanism is 15.1mm. From the centre of the axle to the pedal platform is 9mm. So my understanding is the XC200's stack height is 13.5, so 4.5mm higher
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SPD-SL Powermeter... it's getting mighty tempting... (But I need the full Lama stamp of approval first.. looking forward to the follow-ups!)
entendi esa referencia del minuto 7
way too heavy, you should get the THM power crack
Don't do it, dude. That pricing is fucked.
Same thought i have haha i might just buy em n ugpgrade bike later n go with a crank 2 see the diffence thousands dollars later it is what it is..
Woah, that was a crazy camera angle under the shoe.
I did it a while back with another pedal. I'll do it again on a sunny day.... I got very wet getting that shot today for the video.
@@gplama it give me ptsd
Assioma Duos: US$675, on Favero's website, vs Rally 200s: US$1100 on Garmin's website. You can buy a lot of cleats for that price difference. Value for money, Assioma is the clear winner here.
Using Assioma for 2 years now. Absolutely happy. No need to change batteries, therefore waterproof.
I think Lama has showed how to convert Assioma to SPD (not SL) before also?
Spot on buddy! I love my Assioma. I have the UNO as I do not have any known leg differences, or if I did, it is not enough to matter.
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rally 200 is designed for off road mtb. i doubt very seriously that the assioma duos would last more than a ride or 2 on mtb trails...
Love the Rides of Japan weight weenie reference.
Another brilliant review Shane 👌. I’ve loved my Vector 2’s, apart from the pedal pods. Have been 100% reliable though. I’ve been waiting for these and very very happy to have my Shimano cleats back. I’ve ridden Shimano for 25 years until my wife bought me the Vector 2’s over 5 years ago. She’s just bought me the new Rally 200’s for Christmas! I’m a lucky man. Look forward to trying them tomorrow.
So happy to see the NGeco making its way into one of the baseline power meters, seeing as I just purchased one about a month ago!
Happy Birthday Mr. Shimano 🎂
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Really glad 2-bolt SPD cleat-compatible pedals are starting to be a thing, although I couldn’t justify buying a set at this price. Hopefully Favero or someone follows suit and manages to drive the price down a bit.
New firmware update (4.00) to address the ‘quality of the zero-offset calibration’ and has ‘improved zero-offset temperature compensation’
Very interested to see if this swings things in a more favourable direction.
Looking forward to the long term review/comparison
Still a work in progress. I’m in communication with Garmin regarding my latest tests/data.
@@gplama many thanks Shane. There’s a European sale on the Rally range at the mo and a North America rebate offer in place which has knocked down the price by 20-25% which is a far more attractive offering
Shane - thank you for your great review of the RALLY Power Meter pedals. I am probably one of the few 100% satisfied customers of the Vector3 pedal. I have had the set for almost a year now and almost 1000 miles on them and could not be happier. But as a gravel cyclist the SPD road pedals and cleats did get beat up on those days where hike-a-bike efforts were required. Yesterday my new RALLY XC pedals arrived and i just finished a 40 mile ride ..... I love them .... and since I have 2 NINER gravel bikes a conversion kit will soon be in the budget. The price of the pedals are expensive but I closed my eyes on the "buy now" tab. Thank you for great product reviews and ride safe
My right side pedal seems to have just decided to die... Worked back and forth with Garmin and they sent me "new" refurb pedals after trying a battery circuit board replacement that still didn't fix the original dead pedal. All up and running smoothly again now with the new pedals. Garmin continuing to be great at customer support!
As someone who had issues with Vector 3 that basicaly disappeared after switching to the single Cr1/3n battery type, I'm happy for future customers!
Great review Shane. Really value your though approach and not being scared to ask questions when discrepancies are discovered!
Have a touring MTB and a road bike and this video really convinced me to buy the RS100. Enough data for me, Garmin solved many problems with the Vector3 and i can use them for all my bikes.
Hopefully Garmin gets some competition with these SPD’s... soon...
YIPPEEEE! Vector 3 owner here - which now can be "upgraded" for bikepacking to a spd MTB cleat. Happy days!
Of course, it’s just a thing of preferences, but honestly I don’t understand or find the difference between using SPD-SL or Look cleats. Before my Assioma Duo I was using Ultegra pedals and it was just a matter of change pedals, cleats and ride. Literally I never found any difference between the systems. Both engage and feel the same, I never noticed the change. I mean, I can’t see how just a cleat system could be a dealbreaker, considering, of course, just 1 bike, if you have several bikes with shimano system, could have some sense but in the end part of the advantages of pedal based powermeters is to be able to change easily from one bike to another.
Great video, as always! 🦙
Oh yay!! The Rally XC is what I’m looking for since the SPD cleat it superior for commuting. Although the Wahoo Speedplay cleats have me rethinking and waiting for their power meter option. Could a Lama Lab test involve running up and down train station stair case with a bike on shoulder as the commuter test case? SPD-SL aren’t great (from experience almost falling many times). Now that I describe this, I realise commuting is urban cyclocross.
Glad I'm not the only person itching for an SPD power meter pedal for my commuting bikes! Is putting power meter pedals on a Brompton over the top? :D (I already have SPD on it as I hate not being clipped in)
(TBH, I often consider putting SPD on my road bike, since I find SPD-SL a real PITA in traffic. Getting away quickly from the lights is an art form I _still_ haven't perfected after more than 20 years of using them...)
Why don't you do the Fevario hack?
Just bought a pair of Asioma a couple of months ago and I love them. The cost of these new pedals will have to come down about 30% before I take another look.
I watched this video a year ago and made the call to buy these pedals, may have gone over the top but really do not like changing pedals between bikes. So I bought 3 sets of the Rally Look Keo dual and 1 set of the Shimano SPD dual. All 4 sets have been in constant use. I have loved the pedals and fount them to be fantastic power meters. If I was to raise a issue it would be that the batteries are hard to find in RSA and that the head unit does not report low battery well. Other than these two small issues I would recommend these pedals all day.
You can use Duracell 1/3N batteries instead!
Just as my Fevero Assiomas arrived this morning! Happy to have years of proven reliability behind them though...even if I'd rather be doing it on Shimano cleats!
Yeah, got mine on Monday, also SPD-SL user. I wonder if I should question my life choices...
With the Shimano patent, that covered the spd-sl standard, out of the way, it’s probably only a matter of time, until favero releases a spd-sl body for the assiomas.
@@janiser4711 well given my (great but) bumpy experience with pms I'll still take the one that everyone loves after years of use 👍😁
Im although an favero User and tbh im prefer the Look cleats over the SPDsl?! No Problem whatsoever and getting in and out feels easyer to Me,🤷🏻♂️
Let's see, I do quite a bit of walking with cleats and people told me Look cleats are slippery as hell. And I know that during one of my races, the closest I was to falling was during an after finish run to the restaurant bathrooms :-D
pay more 400-500$ because of a 20$ dollars cleats ? no way. Love my Assioma :)
Never! I bought my first set of Garmin Vectors and returned it after so much drop outs. I then bought the Assioma and never looked back!
Agree - Assiomas are rock solid compared to Garmin's offering.
Same here. I had so many problems with my garmin V3 that they had to refund under warranty after a year of inconsistencies. I had just enough data to confirm almost perfect L/R balance and went for a 300$ left crank stages. Superbly consistent, no problem whatsoever, power in line with my neo.
Like many others, I lost confidence with the vectors tbh. Hence their change of branding I guess?
Q and a section was on point 👌! Thanks Shane! !
Looking forward to the SPD conversion review.
I have been interested in a power meter for a while and had my eye on the Assiomas! Got quite excited when i saw this this morning! These do look awesome, I like how you have the choice of different pedals but i think the price they are asking for them is just a tad too much for me to justify at this point! Think i might still go for the Assiomas as it looks like they have nailed it and they seem to have plenty of happy customers!
Assiomas = peace of mind, just my €0.02 🥳
Excellent summary. Good to have competition and choice. ~$500 more than the Assiomas though, that's a lot of other bike things I could buy.
Looking forward to a review of the XC version. Hoping that someone who can really hammer on them will do so and give feedback.
As an owner of the V3's when they were released, I hope Garmin get things right with these pedals. I moved over to the Assioma's within 6 months of the V3's, due to their well documented battery issues. The price point for these pedals are not in the same ball park and charging what they want because they can doesn't inspire customer brand loyalty. Saying all that, it is good that finally other options exist for Shimano cleats and XC pedals. Pedal bodies way too much though. Can't help but think the price point will put a lot of people off when compared to the reliability of the competition.
Great work as always Shane
I haven't really had any problems with my Vector 3s apart from changing the 4 LR44s. A couple of years ago I did ask there help desk if I could use the single lithium cells instead of faffing around with the LR44s and they said no I couldn't do that as it would damage them - so much for that then. Garmin did send me some upgraded battery covers for free when I requested them though. Nice to see the improvement on the V3s, thanks for an in-depth review - I did wonder what the differences were from the V3s.
Very nice options, and I think Garmin is not expensive as you have a lot of support, I only hope some one develop a rechargeable cr1/3n, what I love about my Garmin v2 is use of rechargeable battery
Good to have this out there! Now I just need to see what the Wahoo Speedplay power meter is like too, then maybe I'll get round to actually buying one of them... Still, the Assioma Duo are likely to still be the cheapest
and the best
I realize you are not a MTB'er, Shane, but I would love to see you do a deep dive power comparison in the SBD version before and after a few rock strikes. Even the best of riders knock their pedals pretty dang hard on rocks on a regular basis. I'd be worried what happens to them taking such hard knocks.
I second that. My Quarq crank arms hit rocks REALLY hard a few times during gravel group rides last year. I'm pretty amazed that they even survived. Maybe I should try to re-calibrate them some day.
I like just about all Garmin stuff. However, that price. The price is way too high, at least for me it is. I am waiting for an updated version of the Favero pedals for my next power pedals.
Garmin Vector3 lasted one ride for me, even with all the updates (but still 2 batteries), dropouts (not such an issue) followed by 1200W power spike when going over a cattle-stop; had to return them.
Assioma have never missed a beat... integrated non-removable battery is the superior solution.
Thanks Shane very informative, well done getting the scoop
Great review, thank you very much ( also for making me feel smug about my NGeco 😄 )
Great Update Info. Look forward to your updates on the Road Peddles. Keep up the great work!! T Mo
I own Vector 3, and have made 2 warranty claims. Both because of body separation on left and right pedal. But now there are no more issues.
IMO, Assioma design is still better by not having the electronics on the pedal bodies. Also, the pricing. I believe the days for PM price exceeding $1,000 are over.
There are no electronics in the pedal body. The battery caps are not part of the pedal body and the real electronics are inside the spindle.
Hey Shane. Watched this video a few times now trying to convince myself I can look past the data issues you highlighted but just can’t do it at that price. They have to be spot on the justify that sort of premium. I’d buy the Assioma’s but don’t want to give up my SPD-SL’s. Any further updates coming 👀? Thanks for the great content.
Look into a spider meter such as a Power2Max or Quarq. Those perform well and you get to stay on SPD-SL. 👌🏼
@@gplama Thanks for the reply and advice Shane. I have looked into that route but can’t get all the parts due to current supply issues. It’s compounded by my good old Trek 24mm BB and running 165 cranks. Means I have very limited options and they come out very expensive, same or more than the Rally pedals, for a single power measurement and no left/right data etc... Thanks again, love the content.
37g ROJ: "Nice" 👌😆
Pretty sure I am still using the original battery doors lol. Very exciting times ahead. Garmin you sneaky little ...... 😄
Hi Shane! Thanks for your thorough powermeter tests and the insights they provide!!!
Any news re. the problems you detected? Problem 1 / 1a and problem 2 still open or some of it solved after your exchange with Garmin? Or are you still in contact with Garmin re the open topics?
Things are at a stalemate. The sprint/drift was never resolved with the set I have. I still have these marked as 'open'....
@@gplama hi, is this still the case. Debating between buying used Vector Ss + the upgrade Vs buying these new...
@@tcb746 I've converted my RS200 into XC200 and have been riding those for the last few months. This has introduced a few other issues that.I don't see with other meters.
@@gplama thanks for the update. In that case maybe better to swap to Keos and stick to the Vector 3?
@@tcb746 Do you like speedplay? ;)
Hey Shane! Any plans to do a follow up on if the issues were fixed with firmware/long term review?
It's on the long term list.... still having issues with what I'm calling 'residual torque' drift on longer rides with these converted to the XC200.
Assioma 🤞🏻
Hi Shane, any update on the issues you identified? Love the channel. Ride on!
No updates on the power drifting after hard sprints.
Great detailed testing as ever. Were these the game changers you talked about on the Zcast? Or is something else lurking out there....
Great content, as usual. And finally something for SPD. Will do well on my MTB and Gravel.
However, since I don't have any experience with power meters at the moment, I'm wondering what would the benefits of the dual-sided be. Is there even any for casual/ambitioned riders?
1.100 USD. Oh come on Garmin....
Hi there Shane! Really interested in these as a power meter option. Do you have any long term thoughts on their accuracy and reliability? Thanks mate
I’m still having issues with residual torque (or floating offsets) after hard sprints. I can’t rely on them to compare other meters against unless I keep manually zeroing them.
any reason someone would buy the look keo garmin pedals instead of the faveros?..
Long overdue but a grand, PMs have been coming down for years
The door is open for someone else to undercut these.... but it's 2021 and nobody else is at the party... yet...
Thanks for the review…. yes they are expensive, really don’t like that they made MTB more expensive than Road…. would rather they had a standardised pricing list across platforms.
930 vs 650 euro for Assiomas. Who is crazy enough to pay this if there are equal alternatives... does not make sense for me... Imo there are no reasons good enough to choose these over others with the price difference...
I would love MTB SPD Rally over my currently hacked Assioma + Xpedo, but it looks like the power/cadence is still all over the place and the replaceable battery bugs me - water is bound to ingress sooner or later. I hope Rally v2 will come soon enough with better cadence measurement and rechargeable battery.
Hey Shane! Brilliant review as always! Have you had the chance to test the new firmware? I’m planning to get the Rally RS200 but I wonder if they fixed the cadence issue. Thanks!
I’ve done a load of tests with 4.10. Good data for steady-state efforts. I’m having dropout issues with maximal sprints outdoors.
@@gplama thanks for the quick answer! ❤️
I guess the Assioma are still the best option out there?
Maybe just maybe, the advantage of favero assioma in terms of hardware design is on the pod. It is sealed, no moisture and much consistent in terms of temperature drift since it's sealed.
Hi Shane, just wondering if you will do a long term review?
I am building a new bike and need to buy a power meter before I go for my bike fit. I would love a Shimano cleats power meter and was hoping to see a long term review of Garmin RS :)
Thanks brother
So Favero Assioma/Xpedo SPD Hack is still the best option for gravel or off road power since they'd cost about $200 USD less and provide better power accuracy?
Yep. This could change tomorrow with a firmware update though.... :)
@@gplama An update on Garmin's side, or Assioma's?
@@Daniel-j-lee guess
You would also have to take buying the expedo pedals into account. Xpedo m-force 8 pedals are pretty expensive, somewhere between 150 and 200 euros in Belgium. The m-force 4 pedals are cheaper but still... And you’d void the warranty. I’m a happy Assioma user myself, I think I’ll hold off and hope that Favero come up with an spd compatible powermeter pedal. If not, it’ll be single sided Stages on the GRX crank.
@@filipdeneve7712 You're correct and in fact I did take that into account.
Favero Assioma Duos directly from their website are $675 USD. M-force 8's are $235 and 4's are $160. In total you'd spend either $910 or $835.
The pricing matrix at 2:30 into the video shows the Rally XC at $1,199.
So you'd save $289 or $364 depending on which Xpedo pedal you choose. It's probably highly dependent on the country you're in.
Nice vid again. 1.2k EUR for the two sided...Assiomas all the way.
I'm really interested in getting a pair of pedal based power meters. I use pedal extenders to help with an old hip injury so I would love to see a test of the power output of a pedal based system when installed with extenders. I keep thinking it should have no adverse effect but it would be nice to have that verified. :-)
Trying to decide between these and the assioma duos. Reading other comments it seems like things are better with the rally’s compared to when you did this video with the exception of hard sprints. Have you noticed if there is a certain wattage where the issue starts?
I can replicate the sprint issue with the Rally/Vector 3 at around 1000W.
Are you happy with the data you’re getting from the rallys besides the sprinting issue?
hello shane. thanks for your videos! I'm about to buy some garmin rally but when I see your video I enter the doubt, it really is not worth it? I get them with a significant discount, at the price of a quarq dub, but the latter would have to take it to the store to ride. I had it clear until I saw this video
I’m still trying to iron out issues with the Rally. The Quarq DUB I have has been no problem.
Hey Shane, I like the stability of the shimano road pedals over the speedplay since i have wide feet. Which power pedals you suggest between the Asiomma Shi and Garmin Rally road? (So tempted to get the Powerlnk speedplay)
Like you I prefer the blue SPD-SL cleats but I moved over to Look zero degree cleats with Look Keo Blades a while ago & have got used to them. As a 1st time power meter purchaser (who is still not sure whether to go crank based or pedals) why would I buy the LK version of these over the Assiomas apart from aesthetics?
Easy, you wouldn’t
Great video, Shane - thank you!
Quick question: I can get the Vector 3 in the UK for £600. I could buy those and switch my Shimano SPD-SL cleats to Look cleats.
Or I can buy the RS200 conversion kit for an extra £180 and continue using my Shimano cleats.
But is it really worth spending the extra money? Most people seem to say that the difference between the Shimano SPD-SL cleats and the Look cleats is negligible?
Would love to know your thoughts on this...
(If relevant, I use the yellow shimano cleats - 6% float)
Thanks!
I'm really interested in the lifespan of the cleats. Given they're so much heavier, they might be a denser plastic that is a bit longer lasting.
It might interesting to try the test with the cleats provided with Garmin. There could be a different interaction between the cleat, shoe and pedal considering that there was a weight difference.
I'd be surprised if that was the case. If it was, they can't claim to be Shimano cleat compatible if it throws the data off.
The cleats that Garmin supply are widely sold by other brands like Wiggle's Lifeline version. I use them as in my usage they last much longer than the Shimano version and they are cheaper too. Only downside is that it doesn't have the soft grippy parts for walking. It's just plastic. You won't slip unless you are walking on real slippery surfaces but that is probably where the extra couple of grams are coming from. Plus if you are walking for any longer than 1 minute, then just get the cleat covers.
Very interesting, thanks. Just one question : With the SPD-SL cleats on Dura Ace, there is freedom of lateral movement of the foot (the whole foot, I'm not talking about angular rotation). Is this possible with the RS200?
Just got a firmware update for mine Shane!
Yep. A few issues addressed. Will be riding and testing this week.
I used Shimano blue cleats before I got the Assiomas and, to be honest, I do not notice any difference between them and the Look ones. The Shimanos look wider, but it is only the part you walk on which is wider. The pedal contact points are almost identical.
The Wellgo (which they claim as Look Keo compatible) have a little lip on the back which takes a slight wiggle to get in. SPD-SL slide straight in a little easier for me.
@@gplama the wellgo are better to clip in and last longer than the genuine cleats.
@@gplama I have not tried Wellgo. I am using Look Keos 0% float at the moment with some xpedos 0% float in reserve. If I ever return to my Dura Ace pedals, I will buy the Shimano red cleats; for I find that, when set up correctly, 0% cleats make my knee tracking consistent.
Hello, Thanks for the video. As I practice the mtb and the racing bike, I would like to know if.
Is the change between the XC and RS version something you can do every week or twice a year?
If you're going to be changing them a lot, best get two pairs. It's not a process I'd want to be doing more than a few times a year.
Buying batteries that are hard to find? the new pedals still have batteries? Didnt garmin learned anything? No thanks, I love my bullet proof assiomas
still no rechargeable wall for garmin🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️.such a failed
The irony is so many people wrote off assioma because the battery is non replaceable. I love my assioma SPDs
@Ali Abdullah there is a rumor of assioma spd-sl so heres hoping they drop a spd set as well. if not im thinking of just doing the conversion hack for assioma.
Some real pedals out there!!!
Congrats on 150k subs
thank dude!
Deja vu all over again - Y Berra. Okay, now including more cleat types. Nice but still too expensive when compared to the Assiomas. Favero will likely come out with SPD, SPD-SL models as well. A rose by any other name is still a rose.....
thank you for your testing~
I’ve had several sets of vector 3 replaced under warranty. Drop outs, separation of pedal body and also keep having pedal body wear out or break sections off inside 9 months. Keep swapping back to my ultegra pedals from 2012 when waiting on replacement as they’re still going strong. Hoping new pedal bodies wear a bit better possibly Shane?
Time will tell...
Have there been any improvements to these since this review increasing reliability and accuracy when riding outside with the temperature swings? Enough to where you would recommend them?
Thanks for the video!
Having and using Vector 3 power meters now for 3 months and loving them. I feel a bit cheated not knowing or being informed that these where coming
Did you ever follow up on this video? I've had a look for it but cannot find it out there?!
Shane, I got the CX100, and the conversion kit to change them into the Shimano SPD-SL. I put my bike on the trainer and did a few harder efforts, and Garmin read around 10-15w lower than my Kickr and Quarq. Any suggestions on how to bump up the power on the Garmin Rally? Thank you!
Scale factor is what you're after: support.garmin.com/en-AU/?faq=GQuA64xcTD8QONyQiWjKG7
Hi there, Can you still use a Garmin cadence sensor alongside the pedals or would that complicate things on the edge unit? Thanks
Hey there! Would you recommend this product. Only ride on road using spd pedal.
I'm done with Garmin Power Pedals (or any Garmin cycling product for that
matter) - Vector 3 "veteran" here.
Riding Assiomas now - after two years not one single dropout to report.
There is actually another SPD-MTB powermeter pedal out there: SRM X-Power
As mentioned in the video.
So, the big question. How did Garmin get around the SPD-SL patent / licence issue? Did they give Shimano a shit load of money, hence the price premium? Is this essentially Shimano's SPD-SL PM pedal or are they going to bring out their own diluting the Garmin RALLY offering. Where does it leave Favero? Can they do the same? They'll need to. And biggest of all, can they please do a Time pedal body!! Pretty please. Still, tempted now to convert the assiomas to spd and look at these as an alternative road PM pedal.
All we've been told (well... I've been told) is that Garmin and Shimano have a good relationship. Maybe Shimano aren't interested in pedal power? It'd make more sense for them too sort out their Power-Potato-Meter with the new DuraAce first and keep the pedals light. Can Favero do the same? Maybe. That pod will be a problem, as it is with the SPD hacks.
@@gplama Might be in Shimano's best interest to OS the SPD-SL licence. As for Favero, I'd not be surprised to see an updated Assioma, or a new pedal in the next 6 months. Agree this has disrupted the market somewhat, which is all good for us serfs.
Any updates or continued reviews? Always look here - have both Assioma and the new Rally's - seem to be similar of course can't test them against each other. THANKS!!
There’s been a few firmware updates but I’m still having issues with floating offsets with my testing.
@@gplama Thanks !!!
@@gplama Mine is 2.3 - shows nothing after that Thanks again
Assioma rumoured to be coming out with SPDs too no? I'll wait for those first.
If you're in the market for a power meter don't hold out for what isn't shipping.
@@gplama True. I can kind of wait, I have a CycleOps (remember those) hub based on my 404s and want a pedal based pm for new wheels and n+1 bike.
@@gplama is that a DC Rainmaker line? It sounds very familiar.
@@antonpeterson1245 It's a Shane Miller line. Also known as common sense.
@@gplama duly noted.
This will sell if priced correctly. Favero FTW.
Any chance of a long term review of these?
i may loop back and do a long term review of the XC200 (these with the SPD pedal bodies).
@@gplama love your work 👍
Wow they also aren't compatible with the dura ace r9100 pedal body which is what I use... An instant buy on release day has turned into a hard pass. Perhaps the garmin rally is the way to go, although I haven't seen many long term reviews.
Have they sorted the wear on the back clamping plate to stop the movment whilst pedaling?
Shane, have you had issues with the bearings in the vector 3? Or heard of issues? I’ve had my for 4.5 years, done around 30k kms on them and the bearings have now failed twice. Both times on the left hand pedal.
30k kms is a lot of miles... and kms! :) I haven't done anywhere near that on the Vectors/Rallys I have, so no, no issues here. I assume Garmin are saying that's the expected lifespan and to buy new pedal bodies?
@@gplama thanks for the quick reply. I didn’t talk to Garmin about it. I figured it was time for new pedals anyway, so I’m waiting on the new rally’s to arrive. I might order the body kits and put them on the trainer bike. Thanks again for your help.
After the firmware update to version 4.1, I can wait about 10 minutes each time after turning the crank for the left and right pedals to synchronize - the green and red lights flash continuously (Gramin Rally RS 200 pedals). Is this a weakness of the new Firmware? With the previous (older) firmware, there were no such waits.
Hi Shane, did you figure out what's the central hole in the garmin cleats for? Cheers
Nope.
Thanks Shane. If coming from the Shimano XT M8100 pedal to the Rally XC's, would you recommend changing the saddle height due to the stack height difference?
Yes
@@gplama thanks. Do you know the exact stack height of the XT 8100's? I can't seem to find it
@@danielwardAUS No idea sorry. One for Shimano Support.
@@gplama will do. I'll be interested to hear your experiences with Garmin's updated firmware for these Rally's when they roll out 👍 cheers
@@gplama Hey Shane, there response was: The complete stack measurement from the centre of pedal axle to top of the engagement mechanism is 15.1mm. From the centre of the axle to the pedal platform is 9mm.
So my understanding is the XC200's stack height is 13.5, so 4.5mm higher