'Stage Cancelled' signs should have gone up after the first couple of cars. Rallying is about skill, not wrecking cars. If one cant go 20mph without car damage, there's something seriously wrong with the road. I dread to think how much unnecessary damage was inflicted on the cars here. Sad viewing.
you dont cancel a stage just for that. Not with all the planning done by not only the organisers but then through the MSA to get it all certified - its just a waste. What should of happened though, is a marshal should have radio'd through to the clerk of the course or safety officer, put a stop in straight away, before sending in cam to get it fixed, and then re-opening it when safe. As for people moaning about the spectators laughing, thats just rallying for you.....
@xPyroxx i agree with you. every car that was going through there was sustaining alot of damage. hard to have a competition without cars. the Marshalls should've done something.
It's been a while since I've seen this video, but if I remember correctly, only one car makes it through without being damaged too heavily. They negligently allowed a race to happen on an unsuitable track. Period.
@anjamets think of it from the marshals POV, who gave up their free time for no pay to sit in the cold and then something like this happens which no-one could forsee and then suddenly everyone is calling for their heads. There's no glory to be found here, and no need to retrospectively blame anyone either
To the people saying "It's rallying, you are soft", if that was your car, which are worth at least 70,000 euro for a group n car, 200,000 euro for S2000, would you not be slightly pissed that the organisers didn't notify you with a caution in the road book or notify at the start, as bumpers plus underbody damage would be 10,000 euro at least...
The stage should have been stopped. Not because of broken cars, but for the safety of the competitors. A friend of mine BROKE HIS BACK in a very similar circumstance (except it was bulldust, not mud). This is not funny shit, this has the potential to be seriously dangerous. I can tell you right now from experience that even hitting a small hole at speed off a slope is enough to jar your back and neck so badly that you can barely move - hitting a hole like this, they were lucky nobody broke anything, particularly the navs, who spend a lot of time with their necks bent anyway.
I was there, and saw this - we were worried somebody was going to get hurt! Eventually after 6 cars had been put out of action, the marshalls stepped in.
I was listening to the whole episode from Myherin and heard the requests from the marshals down there as cars were being destroyed,I'm glad i wasn't down there as i found the stages i spectated on this year to be very entertaining and watching something like that wouldn't be!
Well said @frazermetcalfe, far too many armchair marshals on here criticising the wrong people! Any fault lies with the organisers for not listening to the marshals on the ground. When the situation became critical the marshals ignored their instructions and started to slow the competitors down which was the correct thing to do. Those who should be ashamed of themselves are the ghouls who stood on the bank laughing!
@Mouden69 well it doesnt necessarily mean that the co drivers notes aren't better. its just the fact that hole just started to appear bigger and bigger as the drivers pass by. when those co drivers take notes initially, there probably wasnt even a hole in the first place.
Totally shocking, feel sorry for every single one of them that occured a problem on this part of their rally. They deserved something back because of this!!!
if i were 16 id have thought this was ace, loads of cars crashing. but now im 20, abit older, worked for a race team and experienced the effort of preparing a car for a rally, its gutwrenching watching this.
@Sparcoxs This isn't a demolition derby where wrecking cars is part of the sport. I don't think the stage should have been stopped, especially with so many racers that each event day went long into the night and fog. But as I said before, there should have been some sort of caution notification of the hole for the drivers for sure. Many people don't realize that racing seats have no padding and one's back can be hurt easily. Officials should have told marshals to take quicker action for sure
Damn I was listening to the rally on-line and heard many drivers at end of this stage explaining the carnage from "the whole". Some saying there was a dozen cars stopped. This definately explains there frustrations better then any words.
My guess is that the first couple of cars it happened to that the marshals simply thought those guys were either pushing too hard or didn't make good pace notes. However once it happened a third time with no signs of anyone slowing, action needed to be taken. Maybe marshals in such areas should carry a caution sign they can stake in the ground to warn the drivers of a developed hole? These jump to hole areas are not uncommon in rally, but are usually noted in pace notes or radioed to drivers.
recently, on the interviews of former WRC Academy champions (WRC facebook page), Craig Breen talks about this stage and this hole. he was worried he would lose the title because of the slowing down at 2:24. worth checking
Dont blame the marshals! I was on another stage and the Radio operator at thais point was asking for warnings to be given at the start and all they wanted was to protect the competitors safety. It is the event management who have to take these decisions and rightly or wrongly they decided it wasn't necessary as the jump had not changed since the stage reeky had taken place.
@gojonnyjo How can you do your pace notes correct, when the hole was not there on recce, it also was not there on the 1st run through the stage. Surley a warning back to the start, to warn competors is the way to go
what this vid does not show is after Jason went over the crowd near the jump were shouting for the marshals to slow the cars down as it was obvious it was getting serious very quickly, as for the laughter this rally brings the once a year spectator out and there was a lot of alcohol being drunk by some!!! so anything would have been funny, this deos not represent the 98% of us there at the time!! I only uploeded this vid so lessons can be learnt and it must not happen again.
Yes its a rally, but you watch the WRC footage, a small jump, smooth landings, carry on, by time these guys got through it wasnt just worn down, it was a nasty hole and a big bump on one side... Surely cant have been that hard to insist that cars be stopped or warned, is there no chain of command for the marshalls?
I can't see how anyone can say the marshals are to blame,i was listening from another stage so didn't see any of this myself.The stage commander + officials obviously didn't feel the need to warn the drivers even though they were requested by the marshals on the scene a number of times.
Would take the marshalls a bit of time to realise that the stage was at fault....they would I'm sure, have thought initially that it was 'just' a rallying incident. In fairness once they saw the problem they did try to highlight the problem to the crews. Still, shouldnt have been like that in the beginning....got to feel so sorry for them...Elfyn & Jason really did'nt deserve to go out like this....WELL DONE LADS!!!
Apparently the cars have dug the hole when landing. Each passing car dug the hole deeper. Because this feature has appeared and changed during the race, it would NOT have been in the pace notes. I wonder if race organizers are responsible for notifying drivers of changes that have occurred to the track...?
It's sad to watch... I work as a rally organiser and part of the organisatory crew for hillclimb and rally competitons and there is no way we would allow such SS to continue. Forget about damages to cars...but is fuckin' dangerous for the drivers...broken back is very possible injury after such a "jump"... As amateur rally driver...i'd be pissed as hell if I crash car like that... Sad...very sad...
It wasnt the maeshals fault, it was radioed through to everywhere but nothing could be done, so it is not the marshals fault!! They did the right thing, i know this, i was a marshal but i was at a later junction on the stage.
Just for info, all drivers were made aware of the culvert that had dropped through, and in conjuction with FIA safety made the decision to continue the stage.
I was listening to the marshal in the area and wasn't the reply he was givin when requesting the drivers be warned at the start something along the lines of "has the stage changed in any way since they did the recce".
It wasn't the bump it was the ditch at the bottom of the bump. Also the problem was that the ditch was getting worse with each car passing so the when the recce was driven the ditch wouldn't have been that bad hence why it wasn't a caution in the notes.
If I was to come across that on stage and it ended our rally I think I'd be a little pissed off! As everyone has said, at a bare minimum it should have had a verbal warning, but that probably wouldn't have solved the problem.
why the nascar have audiance? why a lot of crash compilation dvd are sold? for the same reason crash... 90% of the people love to see crash, its part of the show.
This is what pisses me off about ignorant people... Those marshals are SPECTATOR marshals, they're there to look after the spectators. Rallying isn't like circuit motorsports, where the marshals are responsible for the competitors, so it's got nothing to do with them. It wouldn't have hurt for a fellow competitor to have contacted their team and raised their concerns. This is what happens in rallying, get used to it. Most of all, stop blaming us bloody marshals!
Dont be rediculous, nobody should be paying for anyones damages, this is a rally the track is supposed to be rough and difficult. I wonder what you lot would think if the Safari rally was still running. I do agree though that marshalls should have been slowing the cars and if there was any radio marshalls in the area they should have asked for the start line to inform the drivers.
@Sparcoxs Oh well its rallying, despite everyone else flying off the handle here the only think at risk was a bit of car damage, no-one was going to die at those speeds. This incident took EVERYONE by surprise, drivers, spectators, organisers and marshals alike, it happened, trying to retrospectively say someone should be blame isn't going to help anyone at all. It happens in Rallying sometimes, get over it.
We run our own marshals club and we marshal these events every year and others all through the year as stated in other comments on here that ditch would have been on they notes if it was there.it is obvious that has been dug by spectators to see an accident and the marshals on that post after the second car had done the same thing it would have been commonsense that it is not a drivers mistake on the first time and should have been on the radio asap reporting what was there.
marshals like that should not be marshaling a big event like that if they do not know what they are doing.it just goes out and gives us genuine marshals a bad name as we do it for the love of the sport
Problem is people where is the nearest radio car on there? Its alright saying radio through to whoever but those long shots show no RC in sight. For all we know there might have been a marshal sent to the location of the nearest RC, which could have been a 10/20/30+ minute walk. Given the cars are let off in quick succesion, that's a lot of cars that pass through the stage every 5 minutes, to some marshals, trying to get to the nearest radio car might not have been worth it. You never know, the crew that retired might have called through to service to get a message back to team or if the team is generous the senior officials
Even that drop is quite large without the hole at the bottom it literally ripped the whole front end off that fiesta😮😮, as others have said its not fair on the privateers and independents.
@eatmydustdusteaters.. You should stick to playing Dirt 3 on your xbox in you trailer in bumf**k Michigan.. Its a special stage not a "track". Special stages are not supposed to be just "rough and difficult" they vary from country to country on a variety of surfaces to test driver and navigator skills. But they all have a common theme- NOTES (yes even in Kenya!). This crater was obviously not picked up in Recce or by gravel crews by any of these crews so marshalls should have done their job!
Its a byproduct of motor sport that ESC, traction control, cruise control, better in car safety, lighter materials, diffusers, spoilers, special paints, etc. have all found themselves on road cars Motorsport doesn't exist to feed development on road cars but the FIA will make it seem that way. Motorsport helps a lot, pressure on car companies, campaigning, makes a slight difference, a lot more than if FIA safety measures weren't there. Thanks to the FIA a lot of lives have been saved.
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I think the marshall near the jump should have make signs to the drivers so they can ease up on the gas knowing that theres a fuckin big hole waiting to wreck their car.
@MrGlenLane Coming from someone whos parents used to do marshelling for years on rallying, you're wrong. Spectator marshelling is only part of the job, in a situation like this where it was obvious the hole was doing damage, they should have pulled their fingers out of their asses, they're almost certianly doing it for free and for fun, so they should have done it properly too.
@eatmydustdusteaters.. If you knew anything about real rallying you would understand that it is not a Monster Truck fest.. These are expensive pieces of equipment that are designed with finishing in mind not create the maximum damage possible.. The general theme in these posts is that the organizers should have made efforts to warn competitors (like they did Craig Breen) of a new and potentially dangerous obstacle (eg CRATER!) just as they would if a car was blocking the road
That's rally people, neither a grad race nor tarmac circut.. that's pace notes for, I was in rally driving for almost 10 years and any more or less experience pilot or co-driver will predict that there will be a hole in such a place after first 20-30 cars, especially I am not sure at all if there is a sense to jump at this place although I didn't saw it out of the car...
Crap!! not even one rally car rolled from that damn hole..!! these drivers are ultra badassess..Can someone please dig that hole a bit further..want to see some real action!!
The marshals should hang their heads in shame. But then, never bring an arsehole to a rally, for you'll be sure to find one there. That's just ridiculous what went on there. Why did a spectator not intervene if a marshal was too busy laughing. The MSA should look into this.
Why should the stage have been stopped? Surely you drive to the conditions. That's been the way of rallying for more than a century, why suddenly should it be expected that this basic tenet of rallying be changed?
Respond to this video... I can't post the whole link to the thread for some reason so just go to British Rally Forum and then you can navigate down to the thread mentioned above
Well, I don1t think the Organiser can be blamed for the condition of the track, not to mention, that the "hole" was there, because too many cars landed at that place. This is rallying after all, and not F1
@meimwj I guess you are a real stuck up guy or an alien who doesn't understand humor...I emphasized how these drivers are ULTRA BADASSES despite the unexpected the got through it!! That's respect I have for these chaps...n if prob they could dig the hole further they would weed out some competition. n I really appreciate these guys..
the marshalls should be ashamed of theirselves. you have to feel sorry for the privately owned cars who cant really afford rallying and those spectators just laugh. SELFISH !!!!!!!!!!!!!
why are people saying it should of been stopped the drive goes out to do the pace notes before the rally, pace notes and there there to notify you about things like that and that ditch would not of appeared over night by a ditch monster would it so if the driver didn't know it was there it means the driver didn't do there pace notes right so its his or hers own fault
there was tears in my eyes, imagine how the privateer racers felt?? They must have been so gutted !
'Stage Cancelled' signs should have gone up after the first couple of cars. Rallying is about skill, not wrecking cars. If one cant go 20mph without car damage, there's something seriously wrong with the road. I dread to think how much unnecessary damage was inflicted on the cars here. Sad viewing.
you dont cancel a stage just for that. Not with all the planning done by not only the organisers but then through the MSA to get it all certified - its just a waste. What should of happened though, is a marshal should have radio'd through to the clerk of the course or safety officer, put a stop in straight away, before sending in cam to get it fixed, and then re-opening it when safe. As for people moaning about the spectators laughing, thats just rallying for you.....
It's not just the cars, it's the drivers and navs. This sort of shit wrecks backs and necks!
Yeah they should have at least stopped the race temporarily to take out that big bump, wouldn't have taken very long.
Real rally fans wouldn't find it amusing cars were being wrecked, can't believe people were laughing, respect for the Marshalls for slowing cars down
Yes they would.
should have filled the hole with laughing spectators imo
You guy had 2020 type of jokes in 2010, what a champ
@xPyroxx i agree with you. every car that was going through there was sustaining alot of damage. hard to have a competition without cars. the Marshalls should've done something.
so much laughing, any idea how much motorsport costs?..
the crowd never gets bored
That bump is the intercooler killer
It's been a while since I've seen this video, but if I remember correctly, only one car makes it through without being damaged too heavily. They negligently allowed a race to happen on an unsuitable track. Period.
@anjamets think of it from the marshals POV, who gave up their free time for no pay to sit in the cold and then something like this happens which no-one could forsee and then suddenly everyone is calling for their heads.
There's no glory to be found here, and no need to retrospectively blame anyone either
To the people saying "It's rallying, you are soft", if that was your car, which are worth at least 70,000 euro for a group n car, 200,000 euro for S2000, would you not be slightly pissed that the organisers didn't notify you with a caution in the road book or notify at the start, as bumpers plus underbody damage would be 10,000 euro at least...
Can you imagine Breen losing the €500,000 prize money over this hole, definitely owes it to Elfyn and Jason, what a video.
The stage should have been stopped. Not because of broken cars, but for the safety of the competitors. A friend of mine BROKE HIS BACK in a very similar circumstance (except it was bulldust, not mud). This is not funny shit, this has the potential to be seriously dangerous. I can tell you right now from experience that even hitting a small hole at speed off a slope is enough to jar your back and neck so badly that you can barely move - hitting a hole like this, they were lucky nobody broke anything, particularly the navs, who spend a lot of time with their necks bent anyway.
I was there, and saw this - we were worried somebody was going to get hurt! Eventually after 6 cars had been put out of action, the marshalls stepped in.
I was listening to the whole episode from Myherin and heard the requests from the marshals down there as cars were being destroyed,I'm glad i wasn't down there as i found the stages i spectated on this year to be very entertaining and watching something like that wouldn't be!
Well said @frazermetcalfe, far too many armchair marshals on here criticising the wrong people! Any fault lies with the organisers for not listening to the marshals on the ground.
When the situation became critical the marshals ignored their instructions and started to slow the competitors down which was the correct thing to do.
Those who should be ashamed of themselves are the ghouls who stood on the bank laughing!
@Mouden69 well it doesnt necessarily mean that the co drivers notes aren't better. its just the fact that hole just started to appear bigger and bigger as the drivers pass by. when those co drivers take notes initially, there probably wasnt even a hole in the first place.
Totally shocking, feel sorry for every single one of them that occured a problem on this part of their rally. They deserved something back because of this!!!
if i were 16 id have thought this was ace, loads of cars crashing. but now im 20, abit older, worked for a race team and experienced the effort of preparing a car for a rally, its gutwrenching watching this.
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You are from the USA, right?
@Sparcoxs This isn't a demolition derby where wrecking cars is part of the sport. I don't think the stage should have been stopped, especially with so many racers that each event day went long into the night and fog. But as I said before, there should have been some sort of caution notification of the hole for the drivers for sure. Many people don't realize that racing seats have no padding and one's back can be hurt easily. Officials should have told marshals to take quicker action for sure
Damn
I was listening to the rally on-line and heard many drivers at end of this stage explaining the carnage from "the whole". Some saying there was a dozen cars stopped. This definately explains there frustrations better then any words.
My guess is that the first couple of cars it happened to that the marshals simply thought those guys were either pushing too hard or didn't make good pace notes. However once it happened a third time with no signs of anyone slowing, action needed to be taken. Maybe marshals in such areas should carry a caution sign they can stake in the ground to warn the drivers of a developed hole? These jump to hole areas are not uncommon in rally, but are usually noted in pace notes or radioed to drivers.
recently, on the interviews of former WRC Academy champions (WRC facebook page), Craig Breen talks about this stage and this hole. he was worried he would lose the title because of the slowing down at 2:24. worth checking
Who was the stage commander for SS16?
Sweet lamb is a shithole. It's always rutted and bumpy and always breaks cars.
as an ex marshal i cant believe the marshals collected bits from cars without standing before jump telling drivers to keep right or slow down...
Dont blame the marshals! I was on another stage and the Radio operator at thais point was asking for warnings to be given at the start and all they wanted was to protect the competitors safety. It is the event management who have to take these decisions and rightly or wrongly they decided it wasn't necessary as the jump had not changed since the stage reeky had taken place.
Sweet Lamb its just adove the Bowl.
@gojonnyjo How can you do your pace notes correct, when the hole was not there on recce, it also was not there on the 1st run through the stage. Surley a warning back to the start, to warn competors is the way to go
Was it like this on the recce?
what this vid does not show is after Jason went over the crowd near the jump were shouting for the marshals to slow the cars down as it was obvious it was getting serious very quickly, as for the laughter this rally brings the once a year spectator out and there was a lot of alcohol being drunk by some!!! so anything would have been funny, this deos not represent the 98% of us there at the time!! I only uploeded this vid so lessons can be learnt and it must not happen again.
Yes its a rally, but you watch the WRC footage, a small jump, smooth landings, carry on, by time these guys got through it wasnt just worn down, it was a nasty hole and a big bump on one side... Surely cant have been that hard to insist that cars be stopped or warned, is there no chain of command for the marshalls?
I can't see how anyone can say the marshals are to blame,i was listening from another stage so didn't see any of this myself.The stage commander + officials obviously didn't feel the need to warn the drivers even though they were requested by the marshals on the scene a number of times.
Would take the marshalls a bit of time to realise that the stage was at fault....they would I'm sure, have thought initially that it was 'just' a rallying incident. In fairness once they saw the problem they did try to highlight the problem to the crews. Still, shouldnt have been like that in the beginning....got to feel so sorry for them...Elfyn & Jason really did'nt deserve to go out like this....WELL DONE LADS!!!
Apparently the cars have dug the hole when landing. Each passing car dug the hole deeper. Because this feature has appeared and changed during the race, it would NOT have been in the pace notes. I wonder if race organizers are responsible for notifying drivers of changes that have occurred to the track...?
1:47 : nice jump and smokes reception !
It's sad to watch... I work as a rally organiser and part of the organisatory crew for hillclimb and rally competitons and there is no way we would allow such SS to continue. Forget about damages to cars...but is fuckin' dangerous for the drivers...broken back is very possible injury after such a "jump"... As amateur rally driver...i'd be pissed as hell if I crash car like that... Sad...very sad...
someone has to take responsibility for that! shockin!!!
...absolutely agree with you.That should never happen again in any rally
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It wasnt the maeshals fault, it was radioed through to everywhere but nothing could be done, so it is not the marshals fault!! They did the right thing, i know this, i was a marshal but i was at a later junction on the stage.
Just for info, all drivers were made aware of the culvert that had dropped through, and in conjuction with FIA safety made the decision to continue the stage.
@NusiprasukVeida did you read the description??? can you read ????
I was listening to the marshal in the area and wasn't the reply he was givin when requesting the drivers be warned at the start something along the lines of "has the stage changed in any way since they did the recce".
The Marshals should have been over that like a rash. Feel sorry for the guys who has their Rally GB cut short.
It wasn't the bump it was the ditch at the bottom of the bump. Also the problem was that the ditch was getting worse with each car passing so the when the recce was driven the ditch wouldn't have been that bad hence why it wasn't a caution in the notes.
If I was to come across that on stage and it ended our rally I think I'd be a little pissed off! As everyone has said, at a bare minimum it should have had a verbal warning, but that probably wouldn't have solved the problem.
why the nascar have audiance? why a lot of crash compilation dvd are sold? for the same reason crash... 90% of the people love to see crash, its part of the show.
What an absolute shambles , clearly should have been stopped before the carnage tallied up . A lot of expensive cars wrecked and entry fees wasted .
@ZXCV3211 Title of the thread is "Issues with the Marshalling on Wales Rally GB"
This is what pisses me off about ignorant people... Those marshals are SPECTATOR marshals, they're there to look after the spectators. Rallying isn't like circuit motorsports, where the marshals are responsible for the competitors, so it's got nothing to do with them. It wouldn't have hurt for a fellow competitor to have contacted their team and raised their concerns. This is what happens in rallying, get used to it. Most of all, stop blaming us bloody marshals!
Shit this is one of the best automotive sports in the world.Dont see how you think it's silly?These guys make nascar look like the special olympics.
Dont be rediculous, nobody should be paying for anyones damages, this is a rally the track is supposed to be rough and difficult. I wonder what you lot would think if the Safari rally was still running.
I do agree though that marshalls should have been slowing the cars and if there was any radio marshalls in the area they should have asked for the start line to inform the drivers.
@Sparcoxs Oh well its rallying, despite everyone else flying off the handle here the only think at risk was a bit of car damage, no-one was going to die at those speeds.
This incident took EVERYONE by surprise, drivers, spectators, organisers and marshals alike, it happened, trying to retrospectively say someone should be blame isn't going to help anyone at all.
It happens in Rallying sometimes, get over it.
If i was nº 50 i stoped the car in the stage and no more people get the cars damage.
This was a crime, and a shame to Rally of Wales.
so what happened when 00 and MSA safety went through?
its not the stage, its the bump, and it could have been the co-drivers notes. they should have changed the notes in the recce stage
bloody hell, Jason Pritchard had a hell of a nose dive
It took 8 drivers to wreck their cars before the marshalls decided to warn any one :| guess the mini felt like ignoring the marshalls too :P
Why you didnt't slowe them down? Because you liked how it going to be crashed?
i didn't watch this through to the end. too painful. a lot of money and hard work goes into those cars, and it's a bit needlessly destructive.
@NusiprasukVeida "spectators can be heard calling for the cars to be slowed down."
@NusiprasukVeida how and what could he do? He was too far from the jump to run to it and tel the drivers to slow down.
We run our own marshals club and we marshal these events every year and others all through the year as stated in other comments on here that ditch would have been on they notes if it was there.it is obvious that has been dug by spectators to see an accident and the marshals on that post after the second car had done the same thing it would have been commonsense that it is not a drivers mistake on the first time and should have been on the radio asap reporting what was there.
my tractor does not stuck often but when it's do,its a show !
marshals like that should not be marshaling a big event like that if they do not know what they are doing.it just goes out and gives us genuine marshals a bad name as we do it for the love of the sport
Problem is people where is the nearest radio car on there? Its alright saying radio through to whoever but those long shots show no RC in sight. For all we know there might have been a marshal sent to the location of the nearest RC, which could have been a 10/20/30+ minute walk. Given the cars are let off in quick succesion, that's a lot of cars that pass through the stage every 5 minutes, to some marshals, trying to get to the nearest radio car might not have been worth it.
You never know, the crew that retired might have called through to service to get a message back to team or if the team is generous the senior officials
Even that drop is quite large without the hole at the bottom it literally ripped the whole front end off that fiesta😮😮, as others have said its not fair on the privateers and independents.
Why they not cancelled the event?
That's a joke... but very entertaining to watch at the same time. Glad no-one was hurt apart from their vehicles :/
rediculous...what people dot realise is the cost of these repairs and the disapointment...it should have been cancelled that stage much earlier.
That section of the course was not race-ready. Should've stopped it.
those marshal's are a disgrace
@racinkid13
A yellow flag in wrc events means stage stopped . thats why they cant be used to slow cars . its a stupid rule.
Awesomely Tragic but as some comments say that it the way of Rally racing!
@eatmydustdusteaters.. You should stick to playing Dirt 3 on your xbox in you trailer in bumf**k Michigan.. Its a special stage not a "track". Special stages are not supposed to be just "rough and difficult" they vary from country to country on a variety of surfaces to test driver and navigator skills. But they all have a common theme- NOTES (yes even in Kenya!). This crater was obviously not picked up in Recce or by gravel crews by any of these crews so marshalls should have done their job!
Its a byproduct of motor sport that ESC, traction control, cruise control, better in car safety, lighter materials, diffusers, spoilers, special paints, etc. have all found themselves on road cars Motorsport doesn't exist to feed development on road cars but the FIA will make it seem that way. Motorsport helps a lot, pressure on car companies, campaigning, makes a slight difference, a lot more than if FIA safety measures weren't there. Thanks to the FIA a lot of lives have been saved.
I think the marshall near the jump should have make signs to the drivers so they can ease up on the gas knowing that theres a fuckin big hole waiting to wreck their car.
that was why when the cars got to the bottom bits were falling off them
@MrGlenLane Coming from someone whos parents used to do marshelling for years on rallying, you're wrong. Spectator marshelling is only part of the job, in a situation like this where it was obvious the hole was doing damage, they should have pulled their fingers out of their asses, they're almost certianly doing it for free and for fun, so they should have done it properly too.
@eatmydustdusteaters.. If you knew anything about real rallying you would understand that it is not a Monster Truck fest.. These are expensive pieces of equipment that are designed with finishing in mind not create the maximum damage possible.. The general theme in these posts is that the organizers should have made efforts to warn competitors (like they did Craig Breen) of a new and potentially dangerous obstacle (eg CRATER!) just as they would if a car was blocking the road
@patrykbfk
youre a real men of genius.
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Cheers to those mates at 2:27!
That's rally people, neither a grad race nor tarmac circut.. that's pace notes for, I was in rally driving for almost 10 years and any more or less experience pilot or co-driver will predict that there will be a hole in such a place after first 20-30 cars, especially I am not sure at all if there is a sense to jump at this place although I didn't saw it out of the car...
No crash=No show...
Crap!! not even one rally car rolled from that damn hole..!! these drivers are ultra badassess..Can someone please dig that hole a bit further..want to see some real action!!
The marshall should have slowed the cars (every car - after he got there), that would be more then enough.
No need to stop a stage for this.
The marshals should hang their heads in shame. But then, never bring an arsehole to a rally, for you'll be sure to find one there.
That's just ridiculous what went on there. Why did a spectator not intervene if a marshal was too busy laughing. The MSA should look into this.
in all fairness mind the mini and the ds3 didnt fair too badly from it. tough cars em
Why should the stage have been stopped? Surely you drive to the conditions. That's been the way of rallying for more than a century, why suddenly should it be expected that this basic tenet of rallying be changed?
Respond to this video... I can't post the whole link to the thread for some reason so just go to British Rally Forum and then you can navigate down to the thread mentioned above
yea granted a verbal warning should have been given at the stage start, have done this myself on past rallies
Dobry odcinek :D
Well, I don1t think the Organiser can be blamed for the condition of the track, not to mention, that the "hole" was there, because too many cars landed at that place.
This is rallying after all, and not F1
What an absolute joke!!
@meimwj I guess you are a real stuck up guy or an alien who doesn't understand humor...I emphasized how these drivers are ULTRA BADASSES despite the unexpected the got through it!! That's respect I have for these chaps...n if prob they could dig the hole further they would weed out some competition. n I really appreciate these guys..
the marshalls should be ashamed of theirselves. you have to feel sorry for the privately owned cars who cant really afford rallying and those spectators just laugh. SELFISH !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shocking :(
why are people saying it should of been stopped the drive goes out to do the pace notes before the rally, pace notes and there there to notify you about things like that and that ditch would not of appeared over night by a ditch monster would it so if the driver didn't know it was there it means the driver didn't do there pace notes right so its his or hers own fault