Alternate Wincon Tribal? Amazing! I would have expected this from any of the thousands of only-edh creators but not from you. So color me impressed and also surprised, great video!
Coalition Victory is banned in EDH, so that's why it's not in the deck ;) Also, as people have pointed out, Rakdos doesn't actually count as winning a coin flip.
The banlist is a suggestion, also, you can win with Battle of Wits, you just need elixir of immortality, eternal witness, deadeye navigator, peregrine drake, any wish card, and at least 101 spare cards.
It’s fun to think that like, 2 years ago, this would likely have been a Golos deck. And 5 years ago it would’ve been a child of Alara deck. Looks like a good time!
@@8thPlaceDave I've been playing an alt wincon tribal deck since at least 2019, possibly earlier, and for a long time it's been helmed by Golos (under Rule 0 for a fair chunk of time). I did recently switch it out to Kenrith though, as the underlying engine had gotten to the point where he made it a bit unfair rather than just bringing it up to actually working. As you say, the deck needs all the help it can get. I'd link a decklist but YT will just eat it.
Helm of the Host seems like a good include in this deck. Similar to the clone cards making copies of important creatures, except it can make multiple copies and can copy legendaries. Vedalken Orrery is also really good with all the "at the beginning of your upkeep" cards as you can flash them in right before your turn starts. Otherwise you give the whole table a full round to remove your wincon before your next upkeep.
You could win with battle of wits if your playgroup allows Unfinity cards. Claire D'Loon, Joy Sculptor turns all your tokens into cards for the rest of the game, so if you first make e.g. 200 treasure tokens, play Claire, crack the treasures to get them to the graveyard and then play something like Blessed Respite you would have over 200 "cards" in your library.
That also makes it possibly to win with hedron alignment. I don’t think there is a way with the current deck list, but if you make it into an artifact or creature you can create token copies of it and then have it in your hand exile and graveyard.
This looks like great fun. The biggest hurdle is getting enough pieces that allign with multiple categories of win conditions and that looks pretty ok being taken care of!
You can consider playing Etrata, the Silencer in the Deck. It's a card that can take out one of your opponent's by itself and it will help you win the game with Ramses, Assassin Lord :)
"Angel of destiny" is a fun one (it slots into the "opponent loses" rather than the "you win" category) It Makes combat damage heal opponents (neutralizing damage) if you have starting life +15; the opponent loses at your endstep if you swung at them with the angel.
I remember hearing about someone's favorite way to win a game of Commander: play Battle of Wits and Spawnsire of Ulamog, activate Spawnsire's ability, and dump a (I'm going to quote this part directly because I absolutely love this phrase) "bucket of Emrakuls" onto the table. Legend rule puts all Emrakuls but one in the graveyard, then their ability shuffles them back into the library, and voila! Your deck now has more than 200 cards. They didn't say they had actually managed to pull this off, mind you -- just that it was a really cool idea. (Also, I'm not sure if Spawnsire can legally allow you to cast a card if it's banned in the format you're currently playing. Weird to think about. Substitute with a heap of Ulamogs or a cooler filled with Kozileks as needed.)
I have many alternate win-conditions in many my own decks, but i have never thought about puting all of them into one deck! :D It looks like a lot of fun! :)
This is very neat! I had a random idea a while ago of making a deck whose gimmick was including a bunch of different win-condition cards in the sideboard. I’m sure it would be as competitive as this one in the right circumstances.
That's so cool! I've dreamed about doing something like this, awesome that you put it together! Door to Nothingness is one of my favorite cards too, the flavor is off the charts...
The concept is definitely a lot of fun. I don't think I'd build a deck like this but it's really cool to see, and I'd like to see it in action at some point!
Bloodforged Battle-axe and Replicating Ring work very well with Mechanized Production. Bloodforged Battle-axe gives you even more copies of it when you equip it to a creature and have it deal combat damage to a player. And Replicating Ring gives you 8 copies of an artifact after 8 turns (or even earlier if you have some way to proliferate those night counters).
Spawnsire of Ulamog is the only way I know of to make Battle of Wits work in Commander. It’s very heavy on mana cost so you’ll probably only get it up and running in this deck if you have your infinite mana combo. It also requires you to grab *only* Eldrazi cards you own from outside the game (though you can grab other creatures if you grab cards with changeling or you have Maskwood Nexus on the field). You’ll also need a way to shuffle your graveyard and other permanents back into your library. Spawnsire of Ulamog can also be used with Epic Struggle and Mortal Combat to get 20 or more creatures on the battlefield or in your graveyard if you really need it. As for Hedron Alignment, you’ll need Claire D’loon, Joy Sculptor from the Unfinity set to make that work. As soon as it resolves, it makes it so that tokens you make count as cards (so they can go into exile, your graveyard, and your hand without being eliminated entirely). You can also use Claire D’loon to get tokens from your hand or graveyard back onto the battlefield. You’ll also need to have a few ways to manipulate your hand, graveyard, and exile so you’ll always have a copy of Hedron Alignment where you need it (remember that you don’t need exactly one copy in your hand, on the battlefield, in your graveyard, and in exile). Pull from Eternity encoded on Isochron Scepter is my suggestion to pull excess copies of Hedron Alignment out of exile and into the graveyard.
I’m a little surprised at the lack of the iconic partner for Biovisionary. Infinite Reflections! It would also allow for some crazy boardstates with your other creatures
You can use Claire D'Loon, Joy Sculptor, token generation, and a card to shuffle your creatures back into your deck to win with Battle of Wits. Similarly you can use her and moving around token copies of Hedron Alignment to win with that.
It's possible to win with Battle of Wits step 1: put Spawnsire of Ulamog and talk to your playgroup so they allow you to have an 'eldrazi-board'. step 2: play Spawnsire and generate enough mana to activate its ability. step 3: cast several hundred copies of Emerakul, the Aeons Torn. All but one of them will die to the legend rule, then they are all shuffled into your deck. step 4: hope that in one of your several hundred extra turns, you draw Battle of Wits and cast it.
Rite of Replication can help Biovisionary win in one turn, and maybe even the same turn you cast it. Even if you don't do that, having another Bloom Tender or Rune-Scarred Demon is a pretty good consolation prize.
I made my own alt win con deck recently, but mine is only using helix pinnacle and simic ascendancy. Used Kinnan, bonder prodigy for the commander. I'm not sure how good it'll be but hopefully it'll be fun to play. I made sure to not put any infinite mana combos in there because that would've been too easy.
A guy at my LGS proxied up a deck like this a few weeks before you released the video. I haven't been able to play against him yet but he seemed pretty pleased
The deck looks really fun! Door to Nothingness actually helps with Ramses' win condition. Also, maybe a Conjurer's Closet could help with resetting Garth to get more activations, and it's an additional artifact.
I also love me some jank tribal. A hilariously janky deck I recently brewed up is Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs plus pretty much every single goad card or card that forces opponents to attack or block. It is SO chaotic!!! Another of my personal faves is Tahngarth, First Mate as a voltron equipment enchanter deck with a defender sub-theme for good blockers as Garth makes his way around the table! People can die in one turn around the table (turn 4-5!) from commander damage as Garth gets passed around! Superbly fun!
If Unglued cards were allowed, you could include The Cheese Stands Alone. However, Barren Glory is almost identical to it, except The Cheese triggers immediately as soon as the condition is met, without you having to wait until your next upkeep.
One thing to remember for Mechanized Production is you don't need 8 copies of the enchanted artifact, you just need 8 copies of *any* artifact, making it really brutal for decks that churn out servos/treasures/clues/etc.
I once built a Yidris deck that had every card that referenced another card, ie. Kaldra Tribal. the Festering Newt set, the Throne, Scepter, Crown set, Asmor and Cookbook, etc. I also ran the Mirrodin and Kaladesh series of artifacts that made an infinite loop if you assembled like 5 artifacts. I forget what the Kaladesh one was called, but the Mirrodin ones were called Stations. It also ran like every tutor I could fit. Played several games, not once did I ever assemble a set.
I actually just made and am working on perfecting the experience of a rule 0 deck starring a Hedron Alignment. The rule 0 portion is to allow a sideboard, with the Hedron Alignments in it. all of my basic lands have hedrons in the art, and I picked hedron related art wherever possible, such as using harrow for ramp. I want it to be a sort of riddle deck where I offer a $2 bill (or maybe like a draft booster of choice, if I'm at my lgs) to anyone who can figure out what it's trying to do before a Hedron Alignment is shown.
sounds like im poor so i have at least 5 slots to play around with!! I've had this deck idea for years and I think you did a fantastic job building. you are an amazing content creator, thank you for what you do
For battle of win you can add cards that give you more card from outside the game. It would also double as a way to get more hedron alignment and other cards what would have with the other win conditions.
Kind of, but it's more like Door to Nothingness. It doesn't make you win, it makes one person lose, so in a 4-player game it's not exactly like the other ones that say you win. It is definitely an interesting choice, though ;)
PSA: As a nine fingers keene maze's end combo player I do feel the need to point out you are missing out on the two best gate lands. Baldur's Gate taps with 2 generic to make X mana of one colour where X is how many gates you control, and Gond gate which is easily the best one. It can tap for any colour of mana a gate you control could produce and it says all gates enter the battlefield untapped under your control.
Looks like a lot of fun! Cards that come to mind if I would build it myself: Worship to buy time and synergise with Near Death Experience (instead of ghostly prison?) Helm of the Host to help with the copy strategies and is amazing with Garth (instead of Stolen Identity?) Atraxa, Praetors Voice for proliferate, lifegain and general good stuff Doubling Season for all the counters and tokens Changeling Outcast as unblockable assassin and another demon
For the assassin combo theres the vraska planeswalker that spawns 3 assassin tokens that when they deal damage to opponent they lose the game, as well as Etrata the silencer!
I actually just recently built this exact same theme. As many alt win cons as possible but instead of Garth I ended up using two interchangeably, I either use Ramos Dragon Engine or Progenitus
Fun fact, rakdos won't actually count towards chance encounter since you need to "win" the coin flip to count, but since rakdos only cares if you get tails, you don't "call" the flip, so you won't get the counter. Really unfortunate ruling for my Okaun/Zndrsplt deck
For Near Death Experience, I've gotten the win with it before by playing Angel's Grace when I would have died to be automatically put at exactly 1 life. There's another white creature that can do this too for a combo win
Since a lot of win conditions proc on upkeep you can run the cheap red extra turn spells. Chance for Glory and Final Fortune are both Instant speed as well.
Would running Solemnity be worth it? You would be able to essentially play Celestial Convergence as a sorcery and win on that turn I believe (unless I'm misunderstanding and the "if there are no counters" clause is only checked at your upkeep but it's hard to tell) EDIT: never mind I didnt realize it had negative synergy with other cards like Chance Encounter
If you’re looking for ways to win with near death experience, I find that cards like blood wall that let you pay almost your entire life total to them work nicely.
I don't know if there's room, but Expedition map/Crop rotation/elvish reclaimer could find mazes end, or dark depths/thespian stage combo for Mayael's Aura
I saw a quote that says something like, if you shoot for 2 goals at once you will miss both of them. This is that times 33. (I'm including your opponents going to 0 life, milling your opponents, poison counters (impossible with this deck), commander damage) Did I miss one? Cool deck idea though. Great execution.
if you add something like fey of wishes and copy its sorcery then technically hedron alignmet is possible by adding 3 more to hand from outside the game
Interestingly enough, this can win through the two normal win conditions as well. Getting your opponents' life totals to zero would take a while but is possible, but Garth's ability to give you a Brain Geyser can also force an opponent to draw from an empty library if you have infinite mana. Obviously, you would rather just draw your own deck in that situation, but that is besides the point here.
Sadly, i dont think rakdos the showstopper can place counters on chance encounter. Because the flip isnt called, but instead only cares about whether the flip is tails or heads, no one “wins” the flips per the rules iirc. “705.2. Some effects that instruct a player to flip a coin care only about whether the coin comes up heads or tails. No player wins or loses a coin flip for this kind of effect.”
Another card that is in the same place as door to nothingness’ making the opponent loose the game in Etrata, the Silencer. She is an unblockable creature where each time she damages an opponent they must exile a creature and she gets reshuffled into the deck, do this three times and the opponent looses the game. Would be very good with progenitor mimic
you could win with battle of the wits using Spawnsire of Ulamog and terminus, you just need to have a lot of edrazi cards on hand, this could also work with aetherspouts.
Had my hopes up for a minute. For a while, I've wanted to build a Ramos "Win-Lose-Draw" deck with as many win-lose cons as possible. I wanted to run Triskaidekaphobia because why the hell not? 😂 If we all lose, or we all win, it's a draw. Hence Win-Lose-Draw
Closest I've seen: commander deck where every card, including lands, can turn sideways and swing for damage or has a tap effect for damage. Every card COULD kill you, but its also utterly stuffed by anything that mucks up creatures attacking, boardwipes, etc. Also, it just wasn't great in terms of mana curve, lacked draw, lacked removal, lacked utility across the board with just splashes of it on creature ETB triggers mostly. However, it was fun to play against.
I’m curious as to how good Myrkul can be in the deck as it can turn your wincon creatures into noncreature enchantments, thus making them harder to deal with
Unfortunately Rakdos the Showstopper doesn’t work with Chaos Encounter, because he doesn’t cause an instance where you win or lose the coin flip. This deck idea is awesome though, nice work! :)
Surely with all the varied effects in this game there must be a way to make a creature attack its own controller. If you somehow attacked yourself with that Assassin guy and then surrendered or lost the game by other means, would you actually win?
Great build around, might become even more challenging if there are new win cons printed. :D Mechanized production even won me a casual game once, put it on an indestructible artifact land. While Mayael's Aria wins regularly with Ramos.
Now for a "You lose the game" + loss protection tribal. Just a bunch of cards that force you to lose, combined with everything that prevents you from losing.
From what I've read about Rakdos, it doesn't count as winning or losing a flip because Rakdos doesn't have you call the flip. So you only technically win a coin flip if you actually call it correctly.
"How many win conditions do you have?"
"All of them!"
"And how many games do you actually win?"
"None of them!"
Pretty much this!
Alternate Wincon Tribal? Amazing! I would have expected this from any of the thousands of only-edh creators but not from you. So color me impressed and also surprised, great video!
This guy makes some of the best mtg content. Most are overly serious. But among the comedic gems there are interesting takes on game play.
Coalition Victory is banned in EDH, so that's why it's not in the deck ;)
Also, as people have pointed out, Rakdos doesn't actually count as winning a coin flip.
Your moxfield link is broken, may be still set to private.
@@izamito Ah yes, that was the case. Thanks for letting me know!
The banlist is a suggestion, also, you can win with Battle of Wits, you just need elixir of immortality, eternal witness, deadeye navigator, peregrine drake, any wish card, and at least 101 spare cards.
Also you could have extra copies of hedron alignment outside the game and just "wish" for them.
@@ericleiva Wish cards don't work in EDH since there is no sideboard :(
It’s fun to think that like, 2 years ago, this would likely have been a Golos deck.
And 5 years ago it would’ve been a child of Alara deck.
Looks like a good time!
Yeah true, Golos would be a pretty great commander for this deck.
@@8thPlaceDave I've been playing an alt wincon tribal deck since at least 2019, possibly earlier, and for a long time it's been helmed by Golos (under Rule 0 for a fair chunk of time). I did recently switch it out to Kenrith though, as the underlying engine had gotten to the point where he made it a bit unfair rather than just bringing it up to actually working. As you say, the deck needs all the help it can get. I'd link a decklist but YT will just eat it.
Helm of the Host seems like a good include in this deck. Similar to the clone cards making copies of important creatures, except it can make multiple copies and can copy legendaries.
Vedalken Orrery is also really good with all the "at the beginning of your upkeep" cards as you can flash them in right before your turn starts. Otherwise you give the whole table a full round to remove your wincon before your next upkeep.
The helm could also go on Garth to just get more copies of the 6 cards that he gives you.
If you wanted to you could use Angel's Grace, if you would go below 1 you go to 1 instead, as a fog to try to win with Near Death Experience
You could win with battle of wits if your playgroup allows Unfinity cards. Claire D'Loon, Joy Sculptor turns all your tokens into cards for the rest of the game, so if you first make e.g. 200 treasure tokens, play Claire, crack the treasures to get them to the graveyard and then play something like Blessed Respite you would have over 200 "cards" in your library.
That also makes it possibly to win with hedron alignment. I don’t think there is a way with the current deck list, but if you make it into an artifact or creature you can create token copies of it and then have it in your hand exile and graveyard.
This looks like great fun. The biggest hurdle is getting enough pieces that allign with multiple categories of win conditions and that looks pretty ok being taken care of!
You can consider playing Etrata, the Silencer in the Deck. It's a card that can take out one of your opponent's by itself and it will help you win the game with Ramses, Assassin Lord :)
Please record with what win-con you win your games. I would LOVE to see the statistics after you've played a lot with the deck
So far Happily Ever After, Thassa's Oracle, and and Door to Nothingness have worked :)
I've been thinking about building this exact deck. Thanks for showing it off. It looks like a lot of janky fun. I love me some good jank.
"Angel of destiny" is a fun one (it slots into the "opponent loses" rather than the "you win" category)
It Makes combat damage heal opponents (neutralizing damage)
if you have starting life +15; the opponent loses at your endstep if you swung at them with the angel.
Also contributes to the high life total win cons! Nice!
I remember hearing about someone's favorite way to win a game of Commander: play Battle of Wits and Spawnsire of Ulamog, activate Spawnsire's ability, and dump a (I'm going to quote this part directly because I absolutely love this phrase) "bucket of Emrakuls" onto the table. Legend rule puts all Emrakuls but one in the graveyard, then their ability shuffles them back into the library, and voila! Your deck now has more than 200 cards.
They didn't say they had actually managed to pull this off, mind you -- just that it was a really cool idea. (Also, I'm not sure if Spawnsire can legally allow you to cast a card if it's banned in the format you're currently playing. Weird to think about. Substitute with a heap of Ulamogs or a cooler filled with Kozileks as needed.)
I have many alternate win-conditions in many my own decks, but i have never thought about puting all of them into one deck! :D
It looks like a lot of fun! :)
This is very neat! I had a random idea a while ago of making a deck whose gimmick was including a bunch of different win-condition cards in the sideboard. I’m sure it would be as competitive as this one in the right circumstances.
That's so cool! I've dreamed about doing something like this, awesome that you put it together! Door to Nothingness is one of my favorite cards too, the flavor is off the charts...
You didn't notice maybe, but doom whisperer has a super good sinergy with near death experience
I would love to see a video where you play this deck in a game of Commander!
Planewide celebration would give you 5 color creatures for happily ever after, 4x proliferate or could gain 16 life
That's actually a pretty cool idea I hadn't considered. Maybe I can fit it in the deck...
@@8thPlaceDave of course you could!
The concept is definitely a lot of fun. I don't think I'd build a deck like this but it's really cool to see, and I'd like to see it in action at some point!
"i will cast battle of wits" everyone else at the table:
Bloodforged Battle-axe and Replicating Ring work very well with Mechanized Production. Bloodforged Battle-axe gives you even more copies of it when you equip it to a creature and have it deal combat damage to a player. And Replicating Ring gives you 8 copies of an artifact after 8 turns (or even earlier if you have some way to proliferate those night counters).
That's hilarious! now I want to build the "You lose the game" to go along side this :)
Ramses' +1/+1 ability works in this deck if you create a token copy of it, I believe
I've been running a Alt Wincon Garth deck for awhile and I'm so happy finally seeing others recognize his strengths, especially for a deck like this!
Spawnsire of Ulamog is the only way I know of to make Battle of Wits work in Commander. It’s very heavy on mana cost so you’ll probably only get it up and running in this deck if you have your infinite mana combo. It also requires you to grab *only* Eldrazi cards you own from outside the game (though you can grab other creatures if you grab cards with changeling or you have Maskwood Nexus on the field). You’ll also need a way to shuffle your graveyard and other permanents back into your library. Spawnsire of Ulamog can also be used with Epic Struggle and Mortal Combat to get 20 or more creatures on the battlefield or in your graveyard if you really need it. As for Hedron Alignment, you’ll need Claire D’loon, Joy Sculptor from the Unfinity set to make that work. As soon as it resolves, it makes it so that tokens you make count as cards (so they can go into exile, your graveyard, and your hand without being eliminated entirely). You can also use Claire D’loon to get tokens from your hand or graveyard back onto the battlefield. You’ll also need to have a few ways to manipulate your hand, graveyard, and exile so you’ll always have a copy of Hedron Alignment where you need it (remember that you don’t need exactly one copy in your hand, on the battlefield, in your graveyard, and in exile). Pull from Eternity encoded on Isochron Scepter is my suggestion to pull excess copies of Hedron Alignment out of exile and into the graveyard.
Oh, and if you do include that Unfinity card in your deck, then Form of the Approach of the Second Sun would be a wacky and fun inclusion
The Golden Throne helps with Near Death Experience.
I was trying almost the same in the past. But with a huge deck to be able to win with battle of wits. This gives way more room for other good cards
I love the ad-break that happens right when you're about to introduce the fourth demon
I’m a little surprised at the lack of the iconic partner for Biovisionary. Infinite Reflections! It would also allow for some crazy boardstates with your other creatures
You can use Claire D'Loon, Joy Sculptor, token generation, and a card to shuffle your creatures back into your deck to win with Battle of Wits. Similarly you can use her and moving around token copies of Hedron Alignment to win with that.
Varragoth, Bloodsky Sire would also be great for Liliana's Contract, because it provides another way to tutor, potentially multiple times.
Radios the showstopper does not work with final fortune, he doesn’t let you win flips, just make them
Crap
@@8thPlaceDave I know, it made me sad too.
It's possible to win with Battle of Wits
step 1: put Spawnsire of Ulamog and talk to your playgroup so they allow you to have an 'eldrazi-board'.
step 2: play Spawnsire and generate enough mana to activate its ability.
step 3: cast several hundred copies of Emerakul, the Aeons Torn. All but one of them will die to the legend rule, then they are all shuffled into your deck.
step 4: hope that in one of your several hundred extra turns, you draw Battle of Wits and cast it.
Rite of Replication can help Biovisionary win in one turn, and maybe even the same turn you cast it. Even if you don't do that, having another Bloom Tender or Rune-Scarred Demon is a pretty good consolation prize.
I made my own alt win con deck recently, but mine is only using helix pinnacle and simic ascendancy. Used Kinnan, bonder prodigy for the commander. I'm not sure how good it'll be but hopefully it'll be fun to play. I made sure to not put any infinite mana combos in there because that would've been too easy.
A guy at my LGS proxied up a deck like this a few weeks before you released the video. I haven't been able to play against him yet but he seemed pretty pleased
The deck looks really fun! Door to Nothingness actually helps with Ramses' win condition. Also, maybe a Conjurer's Closet could help with resetting Garth to get more activations, and it's an additional artifact.
I also love me some jank tribal. A hilariously janky deck I recently brewed up is Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs plus pretty much every single goad card or card that forces opponents to attack or block. It is SO chaotic!!!
Another of my personal faves is Tahngarth, First Mate as a voltron equipment enchanter deck with a defender sub-theme for good blockers as Garth makes his way around the table! People can die in one turn around the table (turn 4-5!) from commander damage as Garth gets passed around! Superbly fun!
If Unglued cards were allowed, you could include The Cheese Stands Alone. However, Barren Glory is almost identical to it, except The Cheese triggers immediately as soon as the condition is met, without you having to wait until your next upkeep.
Well now I want to see a "you lose the game" tribal 😂
He actually just uploaded a video of a deck filled with "you lose the game" cards a few days ago.
One thing to remember for Mechanized Production is you don't need 8 copies of the enchanted artifact, you just need 8 copies of *any* artifact, making it really brutal for decks that churn out servos/treasures/clues/etc.
Vorunclex would be great for both Maya's Aria and Simic Ascendancy, along with just being good for counter wincons in general
I've won a TON of games using Happily Ever After. Esika was in standard at the same time and that made it easy to do in GW.
I once built a Yidris deck that had every card that referenced another card, ie. Kaldra Tribal. the Festering Newt set, the Throne, Scepter, Crown set, Asmor and Cookbook, etc. I also ran the Mirrodin and Kaladesh series of artifacts that made an infinite loop if you assembled like 5 artifacts. I forget what the Kaladesh one was called, but the Mirrodin ones were called Stations. It also ran like every tutor I could fit. Played several games, not once did I ever assemble a set.
Sounds like my kind of deck :)
I actually just made and am working on perfecting the experience of a rule 0 deck starring a Hedron Alignment. The rule 0 portion is to allow a sideboard, with the Hedron Alignments in it. all of my basic lands have hedrons in the art, and I picked hedron related art wherever possible, such as using harrow for ramp. I want it to be a sort of riddle deck where I offer a $2 bill (or maybe like a draft booster of choice, if I'm at my lgs) to anyone who can figure out what it's trying to do before a Hedron Alignment is shown.
sounds like im poor so i have at least 5 slots to play around with!! I've had this deck idea for years and I think you did a fantastic job building. you are an amazing content creator, thank you for what you do
My favorite card of all time is Triskaidephobia, its not very strong but its so flavourfull, the art of the card even has all the items in it 13 times
For battle of win you can add cards that give you more card from outside the game. It would also double as a way to get more hedron alignment and other cards what would have with the other win conditions.
Garth One-Eye. My first and favorite Magic book was Arena by William R. Forstchen. Garth's story was amazing to read as a kid, I'd recommend it.
Hey Angel of Destiny is also a win con card!
Kind of, but it's more like Door to Nothingness. It doesn't make you win, it makes one person lose, so in a 4-player game it's not exactly like the other ones that say you win. It is definitely an interesting choice, though ;)
PSA: As a nine fingers keene maze's end combo player I do feel the need to point out you are missing out on the two best gate lands. Baldur's Gate taps with 2 generic to make X mana of one colour where X is how many gates you control, and Gond gate which is easily the best one. It can tap for any colour of mana a gate you control could produce and it says all gates enter the battlefield untapped under your control.
Looks like a lot of fun!
Cards that come to mind if I would build it myself:
Worship to buy time and synergise with Near Death Experience (instead of ghostly prison?)
Helm of the Host to help with the copy strategies and is amazing with Garth (instead of Stolen Identity?)
Atraxa, Praetors Voice for proliferate, lifegain and general good stuff
Doubling Season for all the counters and tokens
Changeling Outcast as unblockable assassin and another demon
Some good suggestions :)
Make sure you attack with Ramses before activating Door to Nothingness
Dockside Extortionist could work. Both as general ramp and to help with a couple of the win cons.
Let's be real, that card works in every edh deck that can play it. lol
@@GumballMachinery True!
For the assassin combo theres the vraska planeswalker that spawns 3 assassin tokens that when they deal damage to opponent they lose the game, as well as Etrata the silencer!
Now do another one but with all "You can't lose the game"
I actually just recently built this exact same theme. As many alt win cons as possible but instead of Garth I ended up using two interchangeably, I either use Ramos Dragon Engine or Progenitus
Barren Glory fun fact: this is a functional reprint of an Un-card called "The Cheese Stands Alone."
Fun fact, rakdos won't actually count towards chance encounter since you need to "win" the coin flip to count, but since rakdos only cares if you get tails, you don't "call" the flip, so you won't get the counter. Really unfortunate ruling for my Okaun/Zndrsplt deck
Impossible to win with Battle of Wits?
Clair D'Loon would like to spe- right... acorn stamp ._.
My favorite alt win is the guildgates. Mine is superfriendly. It goes "you get 2 lands and I get 4"
For Near Death Experience, I've gotten the win with it before by playing Angel's Grace when I would have died to be automatically put at exactly 1 life. There's another white creature that can do this too for a combo win
Since a lot of win conditions proc on upkeep you can run the cheap red extra turn spells. Chance for Glory and Final Fortune are both Instant speed as well.
Not a bad idea!
Would running Solemnity be worth it? You would be able to essentially play Celestial Convergence as a sorcery and win on that turn I believe (unless I'm misunderstanding and the "if there are no counters" clause is only checked at your upkeep but it's hard to tell)
EDIT: never mind I didnt realize it had negative synergy with other cards like Chance Encounter
If you’re looking for ways to win with near death experience, I find that cards like blood wall that let you pay almost your entire life total to them work nicely.
I don't know if there's room, but Expedition map/Crop rotation/elvish reclaimer could find mazes end, or dark depths/thespian stage combo for Mayael's Aura
Also Dockside seems good for a bunch of the win-cons, and to increase the power of the deck
I saw a quote that says something like, if you shoot for 2 goals at once you will miss both of them.
This is that times 33. (I'm including your opponents going to 0 life, milling your opponents, poison counters (impossible with this deck), commander damage)
Did I miss one?
Cool deck idea though. Great execution.
Fun fact on the second cast of approach of the second sun it doesn't need to resolve sense it trigger upon being cast
The whole time I was like "Where is Door to Nothingness?!?!?" Then I was like "Heyyyooo!"
Thanks for the fun concept!
you should make a video making a deck on the exact opposite of this deck "You Lose The Game" text
Your wish is granted
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Might also be worth it to look into cards from the newest sets, to make sure there aren't any new alt win con cards now.
Excellent choice
The Golden Throne would combo nice with Near Death Exprience. I actually took Approach out of a deck because I was tired of winning with it.
if you add something like fey of wishes and copy its sorcery then technically hedron alignmet is possible by adding 3 more to hand from outside the game
Interestingly enough, this can win through the two normal win conditions as well. Getting your opponents' life totals to zero would take a while but is possible, but Garth's ability to give you a Brain Geyser can also force an opponent to draw from an empty library if you have infinite mana. Obviously, you would rather just draw your own deck in that situation, but that is besides the point here.
seeing happily ever after, and then the one and only MAM:aftermath spoiler is just sad
Sadly, i dont think rakdos the showstopper can place counters on chance encounter.
Because the flip isnt called, but instead only cares about whether the flip is tails or heads, no one “wins” the flips per the rules iirc.
“705.2. Some effects that instruct a player to flip a coin care only about whether the coin comes up heads or tails. No player wins or loses a coin flip for this kind of effect.”
Yeah :(
Another card that is in the same place as door to nothingness’ making the opponent loose the game in Etrata, the Silencer. She is an unblockable creature where each time she damages an opponent they must exile a creature and she gets reshuffled into the deck, do this three times and the opponent looses the game. Would be very good with progenitor mimic
you could win with battle of the wits using Spawnsire of Ulamog and terminus, you just need to have a lot of edrazi cards on hand, this could also work with aetherspouts.
"8thPlaceDave, every time I play my one wincon my opponents remove it easily, what should I do?"
"Play the rest of them."
I know the whole Limited Space aspect is a problem, but honestly surprised at no Leveler as an extra backup for the Oracle wincon
Have you considered Maskwood Nexus to help Liliana's Contract and Ramses?
That's actually a great idea that I hadn't considered. Definitely want to try it out!
For cloning spells, check out rite of replication.
4 mana clone token.
9 mana make 5 clones tokens
On cards like door to nothingness, are there enough "that player loses the game" cards to make a deck?
I might have to find out ;)
@@8thPlaceDave do it!!!!!!
Had my hopes up for a minute.
For a while, I've wanted to build a Ramos "Win-Lose-Draw" deck with as many win-lose cons as possible. I wanted to run Triskaidekaphobia because why the hell not? 😂 If we all lose, or we all win, it's a draw. Hence Win-Lose-Draw
Closest I've seen: commander deck where every card, including lands, can turn sideways and swing for damage or has a tap effect for damage. Every card COULD kill you, but its also utterly stuffed by anything that mucks up creatures attacking, boardwipes, etc. Also, it just wasn't great in terms of mana curve, lacked draw, lacked removal, lacked utility across the board with just splashes of it on creature ETB triggers mostly. However, it was fun to play against.
I’m curious as to how good Myrkul can be in the deck as it can turn your wincon creatures into noncreature enchantments, thus making them harder to deal with
The Golden Throne works great with Near Death Experience
Unfortunately Rakdos the Showstopper doesn’t work with Chaos Encounter, because he doesn’t cause an instance where you win or lose the coin flip. This deck idea is awesome though, nice work! :)
strixhaven stadium is one I like, not sure it would be able to be pulled off in this deck though haha
Surely with all the varied effects in this game there must be a way to make a creature attack its own controller. If you somehow attacked yourself with that Assassin guy and then surrendered or lost the game by other means, would you actually win?
If your playgroup allows wishboards, you can win with battle of wits, exploiting arcane adaptation or maskwood nexus and spawnsire of ulamog.
Door to nothingness works with the assassin to kill everyone at once. Declare attacks, then show them the door
Great build around, might become even more challenging if there are new win cons printed. :D
Mechanized production even won me a casual game once, put it on an indestructible artifact land. While Mayael's Aria wins regularly with Ramos.
Not if it actually puts 200+ cards in the deck for battle of wits
Platinum Angel and Maskwood Nexus would be really useful
Now for a "You lose the game" + loss protection tribal. Just a bunch of cards that force you to lose, combined with everything that prevents you from losing.
I actually just started working on that deck this morning ;)
Awesome, can't wait to see the tech
Lol, my playgroup allows un cards for commander, and I made a deck using Claire d' loone as the commander just to win with battle of wits.
It's possible to win with battle of wits and hedron archive by using the un-card Claire D'Loon, Joy Sculptor
From what I've read about Rakdos, it doesn't count as winning or losing a flip because Rakdos doesn't have you call the flip.
So you only technically win a coin flip if you actually call it correctly.
Yeah you're right, maybe I'll replace it with a different demon then