As an INFJ I can honestly say that meeting ESTP's is like a coin toss in terms of my perception of them, it's like there are ESTP's who find INFJ's interesting, and ESTP's who find INFJ's irritating lol.
ESTP is my partner who I have shared 10 years of my life with. The most time I have shared with anyone. There is absolutey great growth for both sides INFJ/ESTP due to the position of their functions. I don't want to ever let him go 😉
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson For sure, MBTI has been a great help to make the growth easier lol, Just by learning the position of the function one can figure out lots of misunderstandings.
I think there is definitely a lot of opportunity for growth in INFJ/ESTP relationships. However, I feel like it also has the power to bring forth the shadow functions, and allow us to see maybe our less mature balanced side, and lastly their high drive Se can activate our Se, and if you are an hsp type of infj, well then that could have the potential of putting infj into the grip (vice versa, but INFJ being more attuned to others nature, easily chameleon or mirror people they’re close to) ESTP are magical though and there is something very charming about them
The older I’m getting, the deeper the friendships become with the INFJs in my life. They are deep divers who can read my soul. And the INFJs like to be with me because they can be their true self. No need to keep up a mask for me.
I an INFJ being forced to work with an ESTP can't stand the narcissistic/sociopathic ESTP. They have no boundaries, don't respect your personal space, try and claim credit for your work, constantly pick fights, are lazy and never make deadlines, think rules don't apply to them, are antagonistic, and will make you want to quit your job.
Thanks for breaking the stereotype that estps are just a bunch of whiteclaw downing chads. I do believe our tendencies towards Ni are underrated. Having experience after experience can even lead us to recognize spiritual axioms firsthand while people are still caught up dabbling in books and practices. My relational experiences with INFJs have been pretty positive. We tend to understand each other readily by some miracle, and a lot of the time we don't get over our issues until after we've had our conflicts, but for the most part they've helped me realize a lot of empathic behaviors and connections I wish I had long before I met them. They're precious like that.
I absolutely appreciate ESTP's with your kind of open-mindedness, because as an INFJ it's difficult to be understood, and decent ESTP's are inquisitive enough to try to understand. :) plus, there ain't no party wingman better for an INFJ than an ESTP xD
This is very old, but I want to respond. I am an INFJ. I think my partner is an ESTP, just based on observation, and I think what you have shared here rings true. We have been together for 33 years. I think I would use the word complementary. We have made a good team. I think my partner's ability to take on tasks without reservation or emotion has been a salvation to me. I have a very hard time tackling anything that requires interacting with strangers or negotiating information. I will procrastinate if I don't have a clear vision of why I am doing something, and I can wait for a long time for the results of my labor. I don't need to manipulate my environment. An example is my preference for a naturalistic landscape that is low-maintenance, letting nature take its course and interacting with it in a slow, reserved fashion with little sense of duty involved (Or at least I resist that sense). In contrast, my partner sees most tasks in life as duties to be fulfilled, jobs to get done. Get it done. Don't worry so much about how well it's done, and don't think about your actions' impact on the future, immediate or distant. I am always thinking ahead about consequences. I always need to plan activities in the physical realm. I can be slow to act; whereas, my partner is quick. I used to think of my partner as a bull in a china shop. I'm like a kid instructed to keep his hands behind his back and never touch anything. I was taught not to force anything and was happy to embrace the concept because it suits my temperament. It would be hard for me to navigate the day-to-day obligations of adult life in society without my partner. I know I am not describing a typical or healthy INFJ, but with help, I think I am healthier than I would have been on my own, and I think my partner's personality type has been been a real boon to my life. I'm not sure I have been a boon to my partner, but I keep trying to behave well, even when I feel too pressed, too crowded--because that is the negative side to the relationship of our two types. I can feel so frustrated by all the activity, all the thinking, all the changing of the environment, all the meddling, and it can make me testy , make me feel alienated and a person I don't like. I didn't mean to ramble beyond the word "crowded." I experience a mix of admiration and gratitude with frustration and alienation. I'll end here.
I hate that I feel biased but having a ESTP dad , and my fiance has a ESTP mom... My initial feeling isnt fondly...But they are great workers, they can go anywhere, break things down, then take it as they see fit, but bringing that into people...They both try to control what/how we are, as well as certain aspects of interests. I get that when you boil it down, they may be trying to improve us, but it doesnt work that way. Again, great in workplaces or projects, not living beings.
Oooooh how I relate to that. Stepfather ( been around me since I was 3 ) is an ESTP and this really sounds ESTP of "some kind". Of course it doesn't always have to be like this, but in my case it rings true as well.
Estps are my shadow selves. Weirdly endearing and I see myself in them and they're also weirdly interested in me aswell. They're very aware of our intuitive basis to life
I agree Ren that an ESTP would have to be healthly developed with a notion of fe at least for some hope of a successful encounter.what do they think of the infjs is my question. Are we stimulating enough? I know it depends on our spectrum of traits and life experience aswel. we can be very engaging and adventurous in the right company, open to most things,good mischevious even, it's just that we will always need retreat eventually and once the ESTP is ok and doesn't feel abandonment, all works out I'd imagine.i do love their energy but I can always tell if their energy is derived from overcompensating underlying problems.a healthy ESTP would be authentically full of positive energy and charismatic from a genuine source. INFJ and ESTP once fully authentic and happy in their own rights could easily pair up very well romantically perhaps? enjoy your break away:)
"an ESTP would have to be healthly developed with a notion of fe at least for some hope of a successful encounter." "i do love their energy but I can always tell if their energy is derived from overcompensating underlying problems." Totally agree. The rest of your thoughts and interesting to me as well.
I'm an INFJ and while I agree that ESTP's are sometimes very narcissistic, all types have their flaws, and some ESTP's are actually very empathetic people who find me to be an interesting person, I used to be very uptight about who I associated with, but the older I got, 26 now, I realised that even some of the most unlikely people can be kind hearted. Although intelligence is not much a factor in a person's morality, it certainly helps us understand what the right choices are, even if for entirely selfish reasons, it's better that humans cooperate than compete in most regards.
If you read about socionics duality, estp and infj are duals (ideal relationship). They are sometimes referred to as being SLE and IEI respectively. In past socionics studies that look at the frequency of dual relationship there are quite a lot.
Actually no. They have conflict relationship. Infj isnt IEI, its EII. Also infj and infp often mistyped. Infj receive information from the outside world and react to things based on the information that they receive from other people. Infp act with a wave of their inner feelings and emotions.This is the main difference between these types. Also english isnt my first language, so sorry if i have grammar errors.
ESTP here, I strangely relate to INFJs in a way. They're like me, but less impulsive and very calm lol
Lol, I’m an actual INFJ (not an INFP mistype like Renaud, David Badurina, Frank James, and more) and I’m actually even more impulsive than ESTPs.
Maybe because infj istp enfj estp are of beta quadra, & all their cognitive functions are same but in different order.
As an INFJ I can honestly say that meeting ESTP's is like a coin toss in terms of my perception of them, it's like there are ESTP's who find INFJ's interesting, and ESTP's who find INFJ's irritating lol.
@@rymanshroomzorz yep, same here. Either they haze u and shit on u, or they actually want to learn from u and get to know u. Nothing in between
I'm pretty sure ren is one of the few genuine infjs on the platform as well as badurina
ESTP is my partner who I have shared 10 years of my life with. The most time I have shared with anyone. There is absolutey great growth for both sides INFJ/ESTP due to the position of their functions. I don't want to ever let him go 😉
Enjoy the journey!!! :D If it works with one's "dual", then there is a lot of growth to take place!
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson For sure, MBTI has been a great help to make the growth easier lol, Just by learning the position of the function one can figure out lots of misunderstandings.
My girlfriend is an ESTP and I'm an INFJ as well
I think there is definitely a lot of opportunity for growth in INFJ/ESTP relationships. However, I feel like it also has the power to bring forth the shadow functions, and allow us to see maybe our less mature balanced side, and lastly their high drive Se can activate our Se, and if you are an hsp type of infj, well then that could have the potential of putting infj into the grip (vice versa, but INFJ being more attuned to others nature, easily chameleon or mirror people they’re close to) ESTP are magical though and there is something very charming about them
The older I’m getting, the deeper the friendships become with the INFJs in my life. They are deep divers who can read my soul. And the INFJs like to be with me because they can be their true self. No need to keep up a mask for me.
Indeed and as an INFJ, I wish I could meet my dual again someday ☺ I have learned a lot from you all
Yes, Se can be alluring and scary at the same time for an INFJ.
Yes!! Developed Fe in ESTPs is a big yes, without it.. It's not a fun one for me, at all!
I an INFJ being forced to work with an ESTP can't stand the narcissistic/sociopathic ESTP. They have no boundaries, don't respect your personal space, try and claim credit for your work, constantly pick fights, are lazy and never make deadlines, think rules don't apply to them, are antagonistic, and will make you want to quit your job.
D1R3 W0LF try being friends with one for years only to realise you're not compatible.
Yes we are so sensiitive and they are insensitive and disorganized. Soon u will realize you are the fixing theiir mess and they just used you.
That is a sick puppy. If you met a healthy ESTP, you would actually like them.
True especially taking credit for your work, the unhealthy ESTPs have high narcissistic tendencies tbh
Thanks for breaking the stereotype that estps are just a bunch of whiteclaw downing chads. I do believe our tendencies towards Ni are underrated. Having experience after experience can even lead us to recognize spiritual axioms firsthand while people are still caught up dabbling in books and practices.
My relational experiences with INFJs have been pretty positive. We tend to understand each other readily by some miracle, and a lot of the time we don't get over our issues until after we've had our conflicts, but for the most part they've helped me realize a lot of empathic behaviors and connections I wish I had long before I met them. They're precious like that.
I absolutely appreciate ESTP's with your kind of open-mindedness, because as an INFJ it's difficult to be understood, and decent ESTP's are inquisitive enough to try to understand. :) plus, there ain't no party wingman better for an INFJ than an ESTP xD
I disagree with you on the tertiary Fe. ESTPs are some of the most sincere people.
This is very old, but I want to respond. I am an INFJ. I think my partner is an ESTP, just based on observation, and I think what you have shared here rings true. We have been together for 33 years. I think I would use the word complementary. We have made a good team. I think my partner's ability to take on tasks without reservation or emotion has been a salvation to me. I have a very hard time tackling anything that requires interacting with strangers or negotiating information. I will procrastinate if I don't have a clear vision of why I am doing something, and I can wait for a long time for the results of my labor. I don't need to manipulate my environment. An example is my preference for a naturalistic landscape that is low-maintenance, letting nature take its course and interacting with it in a slow, reserved fashion with little sense of duty involved (Or at least I resist that sense). In contrast, my partner sees most tasks in life as duties to be fulfilled, jobs to get done. Get it done. Don't worry so much about how well it's done, and don't think about your actions' impact on the future, immediate or distant. I am always thinking ahead about consequences. I always need to plan activities in the physical realm. I can be slow to act; whereas, my partner is quick. I used to think of my partner as a bull in a china shop. I'm like a kid instructed to keep his hands behind his back and never touch anything. I was taught not to force anything and was happy to embrace the concept because it suits my temperament. It would be hard for me to navigate the day-to-day obligations of adult life in society without my partner. I know I am not describing a typical or healthy INFJ, but with help, I think I am healthier than I would have been on my own, and I think my partner's personality type has been been a real boon to my life. I'm not sure I have been a boon to my partner, but I keep trying to behave well, even when I feel too pressed, too crowded--because that is the negative side to the relationship of our two types. I can feel so frustrated by all the activity, all the thinking, all the changing of the environment, all the meddling, and it can make me testy , make me feel alienated and a person I don't like. I didn't mean to ramble beyond the word "crowded." I experience a mix of admiration and gratitude with frustration and alienation. I'll end here.
I really like ESTPs because their Se confidence and Ti logic are very attractive to me. I aspire to be like them in these aspects.
I hate that I feel biased but having a ESTP dad , and my fiance has a ESTP mom... My initial feeling isnt fondly...But they are great workers, they can go anywhere, break things down, then take it as they see fit, but bringing that into people...They both try to control what/how we are, as well as certain aspects of interests. I get that when you boil it down, they may be trying to improve us, but it doesnt work that way. Again, great in workplaces or projects, not living beings.
Thanks for your perspective! :)
Oooooh how I relate to that. Stepfather ( been around me since I was 3 ) is an ESTP and this really sounds ESTP of "some kind". Of course it doesn't always have to be like this, but in my case it rings true as well.
That depends on the ESTP.
I don't like unhealthy ESTPs and unhealthy ESTJs.
Same here, very narcissistic
Estps are my shadow selves. Weirdly endearing and I see myself in them and they're also weirdly interested in me aswell. They're very aware of our intuitive basis to life
I agree Ren that an ESTP would have to be healthly developed with a notion of fe at least for some hope of a successful encounter.what do they think of the infjs is my question. Are we stimulating enough? I know it depends on our spectrum of traits and life experience aswel. we can be very engaging and adventurous in the right company, open to most things,good mischevious even, it's just that we will always need retreat eventually and once the ESTP is ok and doesn't feel abandonment, all works out I'd imagine.i do love their energy but I can always tell if their energy is derived from overcompensating underlying problems.a healthy ESTP would be authentically full of positive energy and charismatic from a genuine source. INFJ and ESTP once fully authentic and happy in their own rights could easily pair up very well romantically perhaps?
enjoy your break away:)
"an ESTP would have to be healthly developed with a notion of fe at least for some hope of a successful encounter."
"i do love their energy but I can always tell if their energy is derived from overcompensating underlying problems."
Totally agree.
The rest of your thoughts and interesting to me as well.
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson thank you...I'm going to watch that video you guys did...I'm so grateful for your channels, for bringing us together:)
@@emmacarey2949 Wooohoo!! :D Very glad to read this Emma. Grateful to have you with us, thank you!!
INFJ here, I don't like ESTPs at all. I've dealt with them for most of my life and I don't think they're good people deep down.
Could you watch a video in my channel and tell me if i am entp or estp I don't know if i have dominant extravert sensing (estp) or intuition (entp)
I'm an INFJ and while I agree that ESTP's are sometimes very narcissistic, all types have their flaws, and some ESTP's are actually very empathetic people who find me to be an interesting person, I used to be very uptight about who I associated with, but the older I got, 26 now, I realised that even some of the most unlikely people can be kind hearted.
Although intelligence is not much a factor in a person's morality, it certainly helps us understand what the right choices are, even if for entirely selfish reasons, it's better that humans cooperate than compete in most regards.
Estp the coolest person if they develop functions and infj also they will be great team believe me ❤❤
Thanks for the video !
If you read about socionics duality, estp and infj are duals (ideal relationship). They are sometimes referred to as being SLE and IEI respectively. In past socionics studies that look at the frequency of dual relationship there are quite a lot.
Actually no. They have conflict relationship. Infj isnt IEI, its EII. Also infj and infp often mistyped. Infj receive information from the outside world and react to things based on the information that they receive from other people. Infp act with a wave of their inner feelings and emotions.This is the main difference between these types. Also english isnt my first language, so sorry if i have grammar errors.
We accept them, initially, until they inevitably F things up. -INFJ
Really like your point about tertiary Fe. I think this is why I really didn't like my ESTP boss 😬
more estp please