@@unsenorllamadoukko5795 I believe, he even did that when the band already existed and he's even asked from time to time to compose classical stuff for events or whatever...
At 08:30 you paused during the most surprising part of the song:D So just in case you missed it. That rhythm-change gets me every time:D And if you liked his style of playing you definitely have to check out Kenny Grohowski of Imperial Triumphant, never saw something like his style of playing:D
My old band used to open for his old band Martyr. Pat is honest to goodness a super amazing guy. Very chill and always wanting to talk drums. Still one of my favorite drummers of all time. Check out his old band Martyr if you get a chance. Still very heavy but a little more tech death metal progressive kinda thing.
Would highly reccommend you check out Mike Heller with his group Malignancy. Its a huge psa for any metal drummers wondering why rudiments are important. Watching him is a lot like watching a jazz drummer. Just relaxed precision with lots of dynamic headroom.
Truly an amazing choice. The amount of incredible bands this guy has been in is astonishing. Obviously Gorguts but also Martyr and Cephalic Carnage. Technical marvels all. That being said you need to listen to Gorguts beyond the drumming. Pat deserves all the credit he gets for this video but a lot of people call Luc Lemay a musical genius and I wouldn't fight them. Miles beyond most metal
I love this album. I was only just starting to get into progressive extreme metal from ProgArchives highly rated albums and found Obscura by them, which was so meticulously dissonant throughout that I had to look up the band to see what they were up to. Turns out they hadn't released an album in 12 years. So I looked up Luc Lemay and... he was working on an album with a few other musicians that I'd come to enjoy. Colored Sands was definitely worth it.
he was the Drummer for a Tech Death band called MARTYR in Quebec ! he was the go to drummer to replace all the irreplaceable drummers. I Replaced the drummer from Despised Icon, Cephalic Carnage, Quo vadis Blood runs black Etc ..... he's a true BEAST !!!
to answer your question, yes, a huge part of Canada is in the arctic, and there’s a little bit of the arctic for the Americans (Alaska), and yes, Canada does have territories, and provinces
Ouch! I'm going to put Dark side of the moon on to give my speakers a rest! I'm so old, but again I have nothing but respect for these drummers who are totally out of my comprehension. ✌️❤️🤗
Gorguts basically invented* technical death metal and Pat is one of the most technical and accomplished drummers I've ever seen. The Obscura live video in Germany I think, legendary.
@@AndrewRooneyDrums Actually a lot of extreme metal drummers have done those drumtalk interviews. You can totally make a new series where you watch some of those interviews so you can get into the minds of these guys 🤔.
I'm not a fan of metal but I can certainly appreciate Pat's drumming. I noticed your Ecto-1 from Ghostbusters and the That's What She Said sign. Nice touch. Thanks Andrew.
There’s a song called “jack hammer” by an 80’s band called “anvil” that’s awesome and the drums go absolutely insane also, as you would hope by the name
Fantastic....you checked out patrice hes awesome and a great human being ive been fortunate to see him every night for 2 weeks while we opened for them canada has alot of great drummers... flo mounier???????next???hmmmm thanks andrew
ok, Pat actually not only switches to traditional grip, I think for some performances he even had two different bass drums, maybe even pedals, to get different tones and feels for the metal versus the more laid back styles in the songs... that is somewhat very over the top and unnecessary but shows the dedication to the music. probably same reason here: to have different dynamics and feel. Really necessary? No, but if that helps him somewhat in acheving what he wants to achieve musically, all the more power to him.
For something else extreme (but very different), here is Dennis Ritchie of the band Macabre. He is about as old school as it gets, but his chops and stamina are quite impressive. This particular song, “Hitchhiker,” features some intense transitions. ua-cam.com/video/jXUW2AFZvzY/v-deo.html
It’s easier to play. If in the process of learning we get to use “traditional”styles we would naturally apply it in the process of writing. Feels convenient and makes it more fun to play on any style. Gorguts are Epic.
Regarding triggers. A lot of the bands do use triggers mainly on their bass drum. You could do a deep dive at some point with them. Triggers are to me like guitar pedals....just a way of changing the sound. They won't change when the beat happens. Quantizing, during editing is what would fix the off time hits that people get angry about.
This is all very true EXCEPT that while the faster you get the softer you'll hit. There are drummers who do use triggers as a shortcut to getting louder sounding hits live when they actually haven't trained their legs to do most of the work in producing hard velocities. Not all of course but some do take the path of least resistance. On the other hand there are drummers who have worked hard but need the longevity when touring for long runs and to preserve their ability.
Shout out to John Longstreth for originally composing and recording this for the album. I do much prefer Pat's feel when playing ESPECIALLY the way he mixes his drums.
As a metalhead I'm thrilled to see you exploring deeper into extreme metal. Here's six of my favorite vids that I think you'd enjoy Morgan Rose - Sevendust - Black (Nu Metal) Paul Sidel - The Ocean - Jurassic/Cretaceous (Technical Death) Chris Houck - Nothingface - Blue Skin (and) Can't Wait For Violence (Nu Metal) Jimmy Pino - Signs of The Swarm - Cowards Deathbed (Deathcore) Baard Kolstad - Leprous - The Sky Is Red. (Prog)
Didn't John Longstreth originally play the drums on the 'Colored Sands' album? 🤔While Pat Hamelin is an excellent drummer, to me John Longstreth is the GOAT of extreme metal drumming...
@@AndrewRooneyDrums Me too, Andrew ..me too... I urge you to check out John Longstreth playing through the Angelcorpse track 'Into the Storm of Steel' for Meinl Cymbals; a sight to behold! : ua-cam.com/video/kzn93KsJW24/v-deo.html
Yes, Patrice came on after, for that long ep. Longstreth wrote this, this is impressive but missing longstreth's double strokes on bass drum as well I believe
This is a cool path to go down. The German thrash stuff. Should try Kreator and Destruction. They are crazy good. Destruction has an album called “Release From Agony” has weird time changes and some cool stuff you’d like. Check it out
@@natemoothart6967 they’ve put out 2 really good albums recently, Hate Uber Alles in 2022 and Gods of Violence in 2017. Both very good, they can still thrash like they were 25.. listen to the track Killer of Jesus on the one from this year. Tight af and super fast and heavy. Not a note on that record is a selllout. Lol
Please do a video on the entire Gorguts: Obscura album. Also check out Suffocation,: self titled and Immolation: Close to a World Below. Rad channel bud.
Hola Andrew buenas! es un poco ignorante mi pregunta pero usar triggers en un punto no es ¨hacer trampa¨? lo veo como que estas sacando sonidos de un intrumento pero que fisicamente no es exactamente lo que estas ejecutando. porque la intencidad del golpe no tiene relacion directa con el sonido que se escucha. pero repito hablo un poco desde la ignorancia. queria recomendarte tambien que cuando puedas escuches una banda argentina, soda stereo o algo de lo solista de gustavo cerati que creo que te gustaria. auque sea no para hacer un video pero si en algun momento porque creo que te gustaria. un abrazo!
Pat he's the version of '' Stewart Copeland '' death metal drummer. It's amazing to see him playing live. I did film him performing live in Sherbrooke QC where Gorguts coming from originally: ua-cam.com/video/D4-dwi42mJA/v-deo.html
I am a consistently signed session Death Metal drummer. To get to his level is almost impossible and you must persistently push the button. World Class and I would be wary of thinking of a man of whom could better him. Just saying!
We switch because we get bored and no other reason. The strongest and best Death Metal drummer as far as I am aware is Cheston Moorland. There are many in my industry of whom will disagree because he is not the best drummer in the world although he is the finest Death Metal Drummer along with Derek Roddy. You will find may videos of both. If you are looking for the best then these are the strongest and I will put my name to them.
"Pat Hamelin" sounds like an actor to me. Of course, anything French tends to be pretentious beyond belief. I love his strokes (THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID) My drum teacher taught me that left hand traditional grip some 50 plus years ago. Anymore I can do either grip, but I like you don't generally see the need for it. But some great ones use it such as Neil Peart. Good drummer but the music is god-awful. IMO. Funny you have a karate kid shirt on, just a minute ago, I watched a Japanese Karate sensei reviewing the first Karate Kid.
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Gorguts are awesome! Their main songwriter Luc Lemay is classically trained, btw. He studied classical composition, if I'm not mistaken...
Luc Lemay took classical lessons in the pre Obscura era
@@unsenorllamadoukko5795 I believe, he even did that when the band already existed and he's even asked from time to time to compose classical stuff for events or whatever...
Fantastic band, fantastic drummer.....a musician's musician's type band. Saw them in Boston almost 10 years ago. Love them. That is all.
LOVE IT!
At 08:30 you paused during the most surprising part of the song:D So just in case you missed it. That rhythm-change gets me every time:D
And if you liked his style of playing you definitely have to check out Kenny Grohowski of Imperial Triumphant, never saw something like his style of playing:D
My old band used to open for his old band Martyr. Pat is honest to goodness a super amazing guy. Very chill and always wanting to talk drums. Still one of my favorite drummers of all time. Check out his old band Martyr if you get a chance. Still very heavy but a little more tech death metal progressive kinda thing.
Oh that's awesome Tim!
Did you play shows with Quo Vadis, too? Yanic Bercier was always my favourite. Saw him with Gone in April in 2018 and he's still a beast.
Hopeless Hopes!!! 🤘🥰
Btw, what was your old band called, if I may ask?
Yes yes, YES!
I've been hoping for some Gorguts for a while now!
GREAT!
I got Pat's autograph when he played for Beneath The Massacre in the UK, so that shows how killer a drummer he is !!
Saw Gorguts in Toronto Sep 27/23. They were INCREDIBLE. Pat's drumming blew my mind with it's excellence.
Would highly reccommend you check out Mike Heller with his group Malignancy. Its a huge psa for any metal drummers wondering why rudiments are important. Watching him is a lot like watching a jazz drummer. Just relaxed precision with lots of dynamic headroom.
Truly an amazing choice. The amount of incredible bands this guy has been in is astonishing. Obviously Gorguts but also Martyr and Cephalic Carnage. Technical marvels all. That being said you need to listen to Gorguts beyond the drumming. Pat deserves all the credit he gets for this video but a lot of people call Luc Lemay a musical genius and I wouldn't fight them. Miles beyond most metal
Gorguts has pushed the limits for a while, really cool band, really cool dudes. 10/10
I love this album. I was only just starting to get into progressive extreme metal from ProgArchives highly rated albums and found Obscura by them, which was so meticulously dissonant throughout that I had to look up the band to see what they were up to. Turns out they hadn't released an album in 12 years. So I looked up Luc Lemay and... he was working on an album with a few other musicians that I'd come to enjoy. Colored Sands was definitely worth it.
It's been many years since I've listened to anything by Gorguts... Definitely will check this album out. 🙂
Colored Sands is a fucking masterpiece
I'll check it out
He is playing the work of John Longstreth who recorded the drums on Red Sands. Big shoes to fill, awesome execution!
he was the Drummer for a Tech Death band called MARTYR in Quebec ! he was the go to drummer to replace all the irreplaceable drummers. I Replaced the drummer from Despised Icon, Cephalic Carnage, Quo vadis Blood runs black Etc ..... he's a true BEAST !!!
Sure is!
to answer your question, yes, a huge part of Canada is in the arctic, and there’s a little bit of the arctic for the Americans (Alaska), and yes, Canada does have territories, and provinces
America can have a little Arctic, as a treat.
Thanks Jackie!
Ouch! I'm going to put Dark side of the moon on to give my speakers a rest!
I'm so old, but again I have nothing but respect for these drummers who are totally out of my comprehension.
✌️❤️🤗
Me too!
Havent started watching yet, but YES!!
YES
I'm straight up gonna reccomend Shawn Priest Castlevania drum playthrough, so clean and we constructed and brutal its amazing
Thanks!
Gorguts basically invented* technical death metal and Pat is one of the most technical and accomplished drummers I've ever seen. The Obscura live video in Germany I think, legendary.
They didn't invent tech (because suffocation did it first) but they did invent dissonant death
Pat actually answered that trad grip question in a drumtalk interview 👍
Oh wow!
@@AndrewRooneyDrums Actually a lot of extreme metal drummers have done those drumtalk interviews. You can totally make a new series where you watch some of those interviews so you can get into the minds of these guys 🤔.
I'm not a fan of metal but I can certainly appreciate Pat's drumming. I noticed your Ecto-1 from Ghostbusters and the That's What She Said sign. Nice touch. Thanks Andrew.
Yup changing it up!
I really like Pats style an overall Solid Metal Drummer. I like the sound of his cymbals also..Very Nice choice on this review..💀🤘
Yup great pick
There’s a song called “jack hammer” by an 80’s band called “anvil” that’s awesome and the drums go absolutely insane also, as you would hope by the name
I've seen the doco on Anvil!
They have a couple really good songs on there second album metal on metal. Really changed the game from what I’ve heard coming out in 1982
If you ever heard of bill burr he mentioned them on a podcast and I love thrash so I was checking them out still need to rent the the doc tho 😂
Genr Hoglan playing The Philosoper by Death would be amazing if you could watch!!!
Fantastic....you checked out patrice hes awesome and a great human being ive been fortunate to see him every night for 2 weeks while we opened for them canada has alot of great drummers... flo mounier???????next???hmmmm thanks andrew
Dude...nice.
Thanks!
I'm still trying to figure out what that is on the left side of his kit next to the HI Hat? Is that a block of wood or some wierd bent cymbal?
Great review as always! 🥁
You really need to watch Dan Presland (Ne Obliviscaris) And Plague Flowers the Kaleidoscope doing the studio play through
ok, Pat actually not only switches to traditional grip, I think for some performances he even had two different bass drums, maybe even pedals, to get different tones and feels for the metal versus the more laid back styles in the songs... that is somewhat very over the top and unnecessary but shows the dedication to the music. probably same reason here: to have different dynamics and feel. Really necessary? No, but if that helps him somewhat in acheving what he wants to achieve musically, all the more power to him.
might i suggest imperial triumphant (atomic age) - Kenny Grohowski Drum Playthrough ? :) tasty and extreme
Thanks David!
hell i even use trad grip sometimes. if i'm doing a lot of ghost notes traditional just feels more natural
For something else extreme (but very different), here is Dennis Ritchie of the band Macabre. He is about as old school as it gets, but his chops and stamina are quite impressive. This particular song, “Hitchhiker,” features some intense transitions. ua-cam.com/video/jXUW2AFZvzY/v-deo.html
It’s easier to play. If in the process of learning we get to use “traditional”styles we would naturally apply it in the process of writing. Feels convenient and makes it more fun to play on any style. Gorguts are Epic.
YEEEEESSSSS
Yup yup
Nice Thanx🙂🙂🙂🤘
I can’t believe this dude hasn’t done Tim Alexander from Primus!
Regarding triggers. A lot of the bands do use triggers mainly on their bass drum. You could do a deep dive at some point with them.
Triggers are to me like guitar pedals....just a way of changing the sound. They won't change when the beat happens. Quantizing, during editing is what would fix the off time hits that people get angry about.
Yes well said!
I'm self confessed ignorant of triggers.
And I worry anytime I bring them up it sounds like a diss
This is all very true EXCEPT that while the faster you get the softer you'll hit. There are drummers who do use triggers as a shortcut to getting louder sounding hits live when they actually haven't trained their legs to do most of the work in producing hard velocities. Not all of course but some do take the path of least resistance. On the other hand there are drummers who have worked hard but need the longevity when touring for long runs and to preserve their ability.
Shout out to John Longstreth for originally composing and recording this for the album. I do much prefer Pat's feel when playing ESPECIALLY the way he mixes his drums.
Oh right! Thanks for the info
Spend a winter in Alaska, you will understand good sir. 😊
As a metalhead I'm thrilled to see you exploring deeper into extreme metal.
Here's six of my favorite vids that I think you'd enjoy
Morgan Rose - Sevendust - Black (Nu Metal)
Paul Sidel - The Ocean - Jurassic/Cretaceous (Technical Death)
Chris Houck - Nothingface - Blue Skin (and) Can't Wait For Violence (Nu Metal)
Jimmy Pino - Signs of The Swarm - Cowards Deathbed (Deathcore)
Baard Kolstad - Leprous - The Sky Is Red. (Prog)
All great choices! Especially Baard
@@jason1888 Baard is a prodigy, truly special what he can do; may he have a long and hi-hat-accent-laden career
I've already done the Baard track and also the Paul Siedel clip
@@AndrewRooneyDrums Looks like I'm behind on my videos!
@@SaltWaterDrums Yeah there's a heap in the reaction playlist now!
As a fellow Canadian my best guess is he, like a lot of us has done some drum corps when he was starting out...or just tried to be like Neil Peart ; )
Could be the case!
Didn't John Longstreth originally play the drums on the 'Colored Sands' album? 🤔While Pat Hamelin is an excellent drummer, to me John Longstreth is the GOAT of extreme metal drumming...
Both seem damn good to me
@@AndrewRooneyDrums Me too, Andrew ..me too... I urge you to check out John Longstreth playing through the Angelcorpse track 'Into the Storm of Steel' for Meinl Cymbals; a sight to behold! : ua-cam.com/video/kzn93KsJW24/v-deo.html
Yes, Patrice came on after, for that long ep. Longstreth wrote this, this is impressive but missing longstreth's double strokes on bass drum as well I believe
Moeller is used to stop you hurting your neck making sudden moves for ghosting while other limbs are going different timings
Big cup of me otw
GET IT!
drumtalk interview with Pat, check it :)))
I will!
should try flo mounier from cryptopsy
This is a cool path to go down. The German thrash stuff. Should try Kreator and Destruction.
They are crazy good. Destruction has an album called “Release From Agony” has weird time changes and some cool stuff you’d like. Check it out
Oh man hadn't thought about Kreator in a while! Will have to see what they're up to these days!
@@natemoothart6967 they’ve put out 2 really good albums recently, Hate Uber Alles in 2022 and Gods of Violence in 2017.
Both very good, they can still thrash like they were 25.. listen to the track Killer of Jesus on the one from this year. Tight af and super fast and heavy. Not a note on that record is a selllout. Lol
Please do a video on the entire Gorguts: Obscura album. Also check out Suffocation,: self titled and Immolation: Close to a World Below. Rad channel bud.
I can't believe you don't have The Meters anywhere on your channel. Sissy Strut is so deceptively easy sounding. You MUST do a review.
GREAT call
Québec \m/
11:05
I hope that when you say "this is all Live " , you don't mean that it's a Live Concert...
I mean live, unedited and not triggered
Hola Andrew buenas! es un poco ignorante mi pregunta pero usar triggers en un punto no es ¨hacer trampa¨? lo veo como que estas sacando sonidos de un intrumento pero que fisicamente no es exactamente lo que estas ejecutando. porque la intencidad del golpe no tiene relacion directa con el sonido que se escucha. pero repito hablo un poco desde la ignorancia. queria recomendarte tambien que cuando puedas escuches una banda argentina, soda stereo o algo de lo solista de gustavo cerati que creo que te gustaria. auque sea no para hacer un video pero si en algun momento porque creo que te gustaria. un abrazo!
Pat he's the version of '' Stewart Copeland '' death metal drummer. It's amazing to see him playing live. I did film him performing live in Sherbrooke QC where Gorguts coming from originally: ua-cam.com/video/D4-dwi42mJA/v-deo.html
I am a consistently signed session Death Metal drummer. To get to his level is almost impossible and you must persistently push the button. World Class and I would be wary of thinking of a man of whom could better him. Just saying!
tradiational grip give you faster goshstnotes..?..perhaps.?
Perhaps!
reminds me of Alex Rudinger
Oh yup!
We switch because we get bored and no other reason. The strongest and best Death Metal drummer as far as I am aware is Cheston Moorland. There are many in my industry of whom will disagree because he is not the best drummer in the world although he is the finest Death Metal Drummer along with Derek Roddy. You will find may videos of both. If you are looking for the best then these are the strongest and I will put my name to them.
There's a couple of videos of Westmoreland playing with Oceano, they're really fun to watch. The songs aren't that demanding, but he goes ballistic.
"Pat Hamelin" sounds like an actor to me. Of course, anything French tends to be pretentious beyond belief. I love his strokes (THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID) My drum teacher taught me that left hand traditional grip some 50 plus years ago. Anymore I can do either grip, but I like you don't generally see the need for it. But some great ones use it such as Neil Peart. Good drummer but the music is god-awful. IMO. Funny you have a karate kid shirt on, just a minute ago, I watched a Japanese Karate sensei reviewing the first Karate Kid.
Oh you gotta love the OG karate kid!
Please react to this video Prince - Shhh (Musicology Tour, Live in Detroit 2004)
Drummer John Blackwell
Thank you!
Like you, i don't understand the switch. Maybe just a matter of feeling?
🖖🏻🇫🇷😎🇫🇷😎🇫🇷🖖🏻
Have you noticed how he uses silence? Not very common in this kind of playing
My ceiling, thats what's up :-)
still waiting on you to do some dimsunk.
just the funkiest drummer ever.
Alice in chains at end?
We extend all the way to North pole.
Cattle décapitation - the carbon stampede/dead set on suicide. With dave mcgraw on drums.
Yup he's on my hitlist!
You should make the actual drummer video larger and have you smaller in the left hand corner...
I have tried that Daniel.
Resoundingly bad feedback :)
can you react to "Todd Sucherman Hears "Rope" By Foo Fighters Once And Nails It"😂👌
Spelling mistake sorry.
Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.