Are You Applying WINTERIZER Properly??
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- Опубліковано 25 жов 2020
- Are you applying winterizer to your cool season lawn?
Today I talk with my cohost of the TurfCast podcast, Ryan DeMay, about cool season winterization and some of the studies that have changed the old school way of approaching winterizer. Applying during the earlier fall and then stepping down your rate has been shown to be more effective and late season fertilizer can actually runoff or leach without being utilized properly. Thanks to Ryan for sharing his knowledge and check out the links below as well.
Winterizer Studies
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Ryan I absolutely love your podcasts with Ryan #2! There’s so much info I have to listened them two or three times. You take you passion to the next level and inspire me to do the same! Keep up the great work bud!!!
The overseeding and winterizing helped tremendously! I followed you step by step. Thanks bro!
Really happy to see these key questions answered. Living here in the northeastern seaboard, I've always been hesitant to just go put down "Milo on Thanksgiving" as the conventional wisdom has suggested for so long... Thanks Ryans!
When it Ryan’s it pours.. you can never go wrong with two Ryan’s. Great information
Keep this podcasts coming. Great stuff from you two.
Awesome content! Thanks for sharing when you learn useful new info like this!
I liked the professional input, very solid science analysis. The weather is always the variable and so will be the results. I’ll stick to the process and throw some more down here in the Midwest, StL Mo. and see what happens. 😁
Wow I love this scientific explanation. Thanks for making this video Ryan!
Would love to see a dormant seeding video. Thinking about using it on some of the spots where fall seeding wasn't as successful.
Perfectttttttt timing Ryan!!
I can’t even see my yard under the 5 inches of snow. it winterized itself ha
Great info and great links!
Can’t believe i missed this video, but always great job 👍
Nice shirt ! Great info as always.
Back to back!🤘
Great Info! Thank you
Many thanks from North England
Yes sir--I will follow the science rather than the marketing! Thank you!
Great info will have to apply this next year... we already have snow;(
Great. I thought I put my winterizer fertilizer too early this year but turns out it's perfect lol.
Great content!
Keep the content coming Ryan & Ryan. I live in western Wisconsin and if I do anything I put a winterizer on and in the spring a crabgrass preventer. I've always used the Scotts products. But they are $$$$. Do you have an alternate option??? Thanks!
Thanks bud!!
Perfect !! Thank you !!
I’m still in maintenance mode here on the New England coast. It’s cooling down now. Gotta take care of the leaves and maybe mow once last time and I think I’m done. Blow out the irrigation in the next couple weeks. I have some left over fertilizer I can throw down to try and winterize this a little.
maybe in the Midwest is practical got to 80 again... 2020 right?
Hi Ryan, I have been loving your video on your lawn care this year, as a new follower. Thank you sir. I’m from the K.C. MO. but now I live in the L.A.CA. área. I’m looking to move into my new home soon and I need your help or anyone you my know that can help me. What is a good grass for California that can still green year around and low like your Front lawn?
Hey Ryan, southern Twin Cities here. Question about breaking the 1/3 cut rule in the fall. Need to make my last mow and we had snow up until last week. If I make my last cut lower than the 1/3 rule and bag the clippings, should I be OK come spring time after putting the lawn to bed for the winter? Let me know. Thanks.
Row the Boat!
Hi Ryan, I live in PA and have had a terribly busy fall. It is November 4 here and I am wondering if it is too late to aerate my lawn. I will not be doing any seeding but have applied winter fertilizer a week ago.
Had a lot of snow mold last year trying to avoid this year , what are your points that may help
Hi I live in Sweden and was wondering if you knew if I could still cut my lawn now in November, the temps are not low yet (holding around 7 to 10 degrees) but the lawn looks as though it needs a cut now?
I'm in middle Tennessee. Seeded with Barenbrug RTF mid September. Applied Yard Mastery fertilizer and bio stimulants (RGS, Humic, Greene Start, Greene Punch) per labels up until about November 3rd. Early December, my fescue started to get lighter patches and started to yellow. Other areas are still a vibrant dark green color. Would this be a grass issue or soil issue? I'm a newb and this is my first lawn renovation. Any help would greatly be appreciated. Was given suggestions to apply a winterizer and lime to the lawn. Not sure if it would be beneficial or hurt things more. Should any options be taken or just wait until spring?
I just threw down some winterizer a couple of days ago. Still need to water it in, though it is supposed to rain in 4 days. Ryan, how many #N/1000 sq ft do you target for the year? With my TTTF I hit maybe 4.7#, seems to be on point for midwest lawns with TTTF.
I live in Minnesota. I plan to put this in my backyard that gets filled up with leaves which I plan to mulch (and then bagged for yard waste) via lawn mower before snow. I plan to apply winterguard mid sept, then water after 24-48 hours. The leaves start to fall probably 3rd or 4th week of sept. If I mulch the leaves, I hope that the fertilizer would have had its effect for the winter since mulching every week in oct is quite brutal. Snow would start the last week of Oct on an avg here. I hope it would not harm the winterization of the grass. Please confirm?
My question is specific. I have followed a fertilizing program from you and used many products you recommend. My grass and improved 80% I still have some weeds to address next year. I usually cut at three inches however now that we are getting less sun more ran and it’s colder I feel like the grass is not trying and can’t be walked on. Should I cut the grass lower??
Ryan, I live in northern Illinois, what type of grass would you suggest I getting
In your backpack sprayers which teejer Nozzle do you use in the electric backpack
Thanks!
I used Rich lawn. Pro Rich Fall and winter fertilizer.
15-3-6 plus iron and sulfur.
Any thoughts on this product
I'll put this out there for anyone but I'm in New Hampshire and have been planting sissy grass and it's lookin g great but I haven't finished my reno there's still some dirt patches in my yard I want to fill in. This past weekend we had snow and it's been in the 30s. This coming weekend will it be too late to lay more seed down when the Temps get into the high 60s and 70s again or should I do something else to prepare my yard for next year?
Ryan, if I just applied about 2 lbs of Nitrogen between late August and early October for my lawn renovation, do I need to apply winterizer? I've probably put down 6 lbs of Nitrogen this year, already breaking that 4lb rule, and I'm worried about too much nitrogen in the soil.
What should i put on now in Wisconsin? i want a liquid fertilizer has i have a pull behind sprayer and 1.5 acres
Waterloo Iowa, if I was to put down Winterizer between Menards Brands which I find very good fertelizer for half of the cost of Scott's. Which one would benefit me better. Menards has Premium Winterizer fertelizer which comes in 5000 and 15000 bag and also another version of Fall Winterizer which comes in 10,000 sqft. I would definitely appreciate reply and maybe this could help others as well. Thank you again for all your information. I have 16,000 of yard and I already blew out my sprinklers as well. Don't see any rain in forecast so thinking morning dew would be enough to activate it?
So I didn’t get winterizer down yet in Northeast South Dakota. We had 8 inches of snow and lots of cold. Now the snow is gone. 60-70 degrees all week. Can i put down the Scott’s Winterizer still yet this week?
I just got a new house i. green bay one black from Lambeau Field. The old owners used to park cars in the yard for home games, the ground is extremely hard and bumpy. Any thing I can do to help this?
How frequent can I apply Scott’s winterizer? Most recent application was 3 weeks ago in the northeast. Can I drop again middle Nov?
I am in southern California it is still warm going into November can't really winterize yet
If root development is crucial would a starter fertilizer late be helpful?
I got my soil test back. Says everything is very high. Would someone be willing to help look at the results? I don't see how everything is very high.
So many are talking about high potassium fertilizer for winter...what about them?
Or just is it just about nitrogen?
Great video, I did a complete renovation on my yard this fall. Should I still put try to put one more application down before we get temps below freezing?
According to what that dude said it doesn’t do any good late in the season but I’m still gonna do it at 1lb N/1k sqft. Fast release urea or ammonium sulfate. Won’t hurt your lawn but he’s saying you won’t reap the full benefit.
I think best Ryan to translate the science into some recommendations for product applications in Cool Season turf. What options and when ... for the layman. Thx ... great episode.
Milan, are you asking for a specific product recommendation? Ammonium Sulfate or urea are your two best options for fast release. Where are you located?
@@fieldsource9146 central OH for me. I was asking for options as I like how Ryan summarized the text in the video highlighting when best to fertilize. Thought perhaps some specific products. Alkaline soil here so Ammonium Sulfate to help acidify as opposed to a Milorganite.
@@milanjurich1526 Great question. We discussed ammonium sulfate (21-0-0) or urea (46-0-0).
I am also in Central Ohio and would recommend the 21-0-0 ammonium sulfate. You can find it locally at Green Velvet Sod in Worthington or Advanced Turf Solutions in Hilliard.
Best of luck!
@@fieldsource9146 thank you! So that 50# bag would easily cover 8,000 sq. ft. Might give it a try.
Hi Ryan. Any tips for a boggy lawn? Thank you.
I applied Scotts winter guard with weed and feed to my st Augustine then realized I wasn’t supposed to apply to st Augustine. Is it strong enough to damage my lawn. 5000sf front
Where have you been!?
It snowed in MTL today! Enjoy the grass cutting, it’ll be gone soon!
Hey Ryan can you please give me some tips and tricks on how to have my lawn grown less for the winter because during the winter time my grass still grows it grows slower but it still grows and I can’t mow in because I decorate my lawn with a lot of Christmas stuff and I can’t keep removing them and putting them back on to mow the lawn
Look into applying a plant growth regulator. I believe Ryan has a video on it as well.
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I have few questions and I want you to help me. We are in Northern Virginia and it is about like 60°and probably it's going to stay like that for the next few months. However I overseeded my lawn couple of weeks ago and they're coming out pretty good combination of tall fescue and Ryegrass. Please let me know how to move forward I wanted to do some starter fertilizer like 18-24-12 but I also wanted to do Milogranite and the same time. Please help me how to move forward and which one should I apply first and when thanks
The real question is, do you need more phosphorus (P) out there at this point? Does your soil test indicate a need for additional P? If not, give it another 2-4 weeks or so and then apply urea or ammonium sulfate at 0.25 lb N per thousand square feet OR the Scotts Winter Guard product at 0.35 lb N per thousand square feet.
Hi guys So what are the numbers ie. NPK on the Fertilizer for winter , I now use Lesco in the north east with much better results than Scott’s
I agree, Lesco is better!
Hey Ryan I watched you video of recent trip to Duluth and was inspired by it. I wanted to show it to my wife has you tube taken it down I can't seem to find it.
Duluth
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Ryan, have you had any issues with your Elite Scott's spreader?
I bought one at the beginning of 2020 & have a lawn w/ a little over 20,000 sq ft.
Personally for the money I paid ($90) over a cheaper Scott's unit ($50),..I don't see the benefits other than the tires & wish I had bought a better quality unit (Earthway) for a bit more money which I thought this was !
The complete pre-assembly w/ the never-flat tires are great but my Elite has never thrown a claimed 6 ft spread pattern (4-1/2 ft max).
I've noticed one of the rotors (left side from behind unit) actually spins twice as fast as the other so when making turns it really dumps the material. My unit seems to work more accurately when pulling it backwards...go figure ??
*sctraches head*
So what should I use? Tell me like I’m 5. All that went straight over my head.
Where are you located?
My take for what its worth...spoon feed quick release N products into the end of the season. Stop when the turf does. Other best practices apply ie...watering in etc
My local big box is closing out some el cheapo 10-10-10 that may be worth a closer look
I’ve never put down fast release. When applying Fast release can I still put down at rates of .75 - 1#/1,000 sq ft if I’m in an area that doesn’t go dormant? I’m in Seattle and our grass stays green all winter but we don’t have to mow.
You can put down rates that high if you're prepared to irrigate or have rain coming immediately after. My question would be: at this time of year, why would you want to put down that high of a rate in your location/climate?
@@fieldsource9146 because I just seeded a new lawn in September and my grass doesn’t go dormant in winter. It stays green all winter. I’m in Seattle. Just wondering if the full rate for fast release is the same as slow release.
I see that Barn Town Crowler back there!!....lol
What is a good winterizer for a new lawn I planted this fall?
Try another starter fertilizer. It was recommended to me. Anderson’s has one on Amazon
What? I couldn’t follow because I have too much commotion here. I broke my arm in September, and it’s healing badly because I’ve been using my hand. I don’t have any help and I can’t drive. I wanted to do everything right this year, but I’m just flung the bare minimum, if I can.
I’m in Michgan, north of Detroit area, and I just need someone e to tell me what I ca. put down now or before it’s too cold. Simple info, please.
Thank you so much!!
Nothing needed at this point. You can just get started again in the spring and all is well :)
@@ryanknorrlawncare Thanks! That takes a load off, but I wanted a head start. 💕🙏
Anyone from central Ohio area? Not sure if I should winterize my lawn yet. The forecast is showing upper 50's next week . Should i wait another week....
Central Ohio here. Any time in the next 10 days will be good. Try to water in the product or apply ahead of a rain event.
@@fieldsource9146 thanks
Sooo JG Winter Survival 10-0-20 or Scott’s Winterizer 32-0-12?
Scotts 32-0-12
@@fieldsource9146 Thanks! Local Ace had a sale got a 15k bag for $30 applied yesterday and had gentle rain a good part of today.
Would milorganite be considered a winterizer.
I think the video is saying that milorganite isn't a good fertilizer late in the year because most of it is lost since it is so slow release. But I am not sure where to get these quick release fertilizers that they mentioned around me: Ammonium Sulfate or Urea
Ryan is it too late for me to overseed and aerate in Cincinnati, Ohio?
Yes
@@ryanknorrlawncare Thanks!
Definatly a fresh take on what I thought was a "gold standard". My plan was to put down a 24-0-4 for a final app after spoon feeding with JP's 18-0-1 through the fall. Maybe just stick to minors, humic, and Iron to finish out the season.... HMMMMM. Ill have to do some research. What does the study say about those other options?
You could keep going with liquids as well as there isn't as much risk there of anything washing away by sitting on the ground waiting to break down
In the Pacific Northwest, our cool season grasses never go dormant (mow 365 days a year). Does this still apply?
Yes, this can work effectively. If your temperatures and precipitation force more grow for a prolonged period of say 8+ weeks through the middle of winter, consider reapplying at a lighter rate of N (0.25 lb N/M).
Season is coming to and end what a shame...
I live in the northeast and buy turf supplies from a sod farm and they recommend a starter fert. as a winterizer.
When is the best time to apply root hume and micronutrients? Is it a waste in the fall?
you can apply any time the ground is not frozen. I usually stop around this timeframe when the grass stops growing
Good question
Thank you Ryan! I wish I could send you pics of my lawn. I moved into my house in April. It is amazing how it looks after only one season. Thanks again
So does this apply to the PNW?
I would still adhere to it and be prepared to supply supplemental N through the winter if you have temperatures and rainfall that extends the growing season significantly (see 8+ weeks).
@@fieldsource9146 thanks for the advice 👍
This is pretty confusing. I need the TL;DR on this one.
I'm confused... It's end of October with around 50 degree temps for the next 2 to 3 weeks. I have leftover Scott's Winterguard... So should I put this down?
I have the same question
I have a bag of Scotts fall lawn food to put down too this weekend after the rain is over. I track all my applications in a spreadsheet, weather looks good for next several weeks. Puts me at 4.5# Nitrogen/1000 sq ft for the year.
@@markchase8128 I usually just go by the spreader settings on the bag. So will this be your final application of the year?
That is fine to use...you just don't need a crazy amount of it put on the ground when it gets this late
@@ryanknorrlawncareThnx for responding Ryan. Should I go less than bag rate then? I believe the spreader setting is 3 for normal rate. Or should I just scrap the late fall fertilizer since I already applied in early fall (starter fert in mid sept and fall fert in early oct). Thnx again for your videos.
Hi Ryan,
My lawn renovation, 26 August 2020, in Massachusetts. Mix Turf seed: 1/3rd each, Rye Kentucky Blue, Creeping Red Fescue.
Next season I will need lawn leveling.
Question: what measure of top soil would you recommend? ( in inches; 1/4, 1/3, 1/2 ) ?
I recognize that multiple season will be involved.
Thanks for input.
BTW: This young lawn LQQKS Amazing ( irrigation system was installed ).
you can apply as much as you want without smothering...so lower amount would be better
@@ryanknorrlawncare okay 👌; next season I will give it a go ( I will rewatch you leveling video + get one of those level rakes ).
What if you already have snow lol
Doesn't it harm the grass to apply fertilizer to close to the end of the season because the nitrogen causes a growth on the grass blades while the snow is on it that will kill the grass blades?
October 26th . Now you tell us . Most recommend that you should wait till the last mow in November to put down a full pound of nitrogen. It would have been nice to have had this info at the beginning of September or even early October. So what now ???
When was your last N app and what was your rate? Also, where are you located?
I agree with this comment. This is confusing as well as frustrating information that contradicts a lot of other sources. My confidence with RK info just went down.
@@terrybenedict1934 Please cite the sources and the year in which they were published. Thanks!
@@fieldsource9146 Don't be ridiculous. Most of us are just regular people trying to take care of our lawns. When he mentioned "sources", he probably meant other youtubers. Many us were waiting for the final fert app and with this video are totally confused...
@Terry every day people learn new things and in the case of turf, people in a university setting put those experiments to work and sometimes they realize older info might better be changed to reflect new info. Maybe in 5 years something else is discovered and new ideas come to light. You can apply whatever you want to apply. We were simply trying to let people know that you may be wasting product, or you may be causing more pollution from nitrogen leaching. Period. Nothing else to gain other than trying to share the latest research.
So why is the Wisconsin study > the Kentucky study? Not sure that was made clear. This is interesting info, looks like it’s the two of you vs the entire lawn care industry, internet, and literally every single article ever written on the subject. Good luck 😃
Because the UW researchers had infinitely better methods to collect quantitative and quantitative data as compared to strictly qualitative data in the UK study from the 1960's.
Much like the tobacco industry changed seismically from the 1950's to the 2000's, the turfgrass industry has undergone a similar shift from the 1960's to the 2010's.
With that in mind, what we know about turf, and the ecosystem supporting it, has fundamentally changed in that period. We absolutely need to do better in the way of inputs necessary to create the expected outcome. If we can time up an app better, apply less, and get the same, or better, outcome then why not?
@@fieldsource9146 I’m always interested in new info. Just for kicks I did a 15 minute google search. Clemson, NC State, U of TN, all recommend Nov 15th fertilization’s. Guess they’re qualitative too. Also, Turf magazine has an article about winterization. More qualitative studies I’m sure. Also read about 15 threads from turf pros on lawn site.com. Then I got bored and decided I’m sticking with KY research. Qualitative studies are my fav. 😃. I could post everything but you have google too. Anywho, it’s these two against the entire internet and industry, I stand by that statement. Will be interesting to see how this evolves, my gut tells me this is more about the environment than it is about the turf. That’s something that’s definitely changed since the 1960s. Cheers and good luck to all no matter which way you go.
@@andyzunich5281 Knoxville is a bit different than the Midwest and Northeast. You will be just fine with the November date with cool season.
And I assure you there are more than just us two who are advocating this point. Stay curious.
@@fieldsource9146 The transition zone - where everything grows, but nothing survives! :)
U Rah rah WI-SCON-SIN!
They are doing some damn fine work up there. You should be proud!
Great lawns are made in the fall...Don’t over think it.
First?
LCN says to apply winterizer after the last mow of the season....
Nitrogen in early winter????
Are you crazy??? Begging for fungus
What kind of fungus are you concerned with, specifically? Snow mold?
Even so, winter doesn't begin until December. I would not advocate for fertilizer applications beyond Thanksgiving in the Midwest and Northeast.
@@fieldsource9146 Appreciate and value your insight, Ryan! I always thought snow mold was more from leaving the grass too tall and/or leaving too much debris on the lawn? My Kentucky Bluegrass here in Metro Detroit has always looked the best in November for all Ten Years I've had it. Our last yard waste pickup is the second full week of December, so I've been wrapping things up the week of Thanksgiving (weather permitting) with a last cut and final fert. Last year we had our first light snow on November 7th, but I don't think it snowed again for a month after that. My go to has been GreenView Fairway 30-0-12 (only 10% is Urea). I only put this down on the front lawn so I don't have to worry about my dogs in the back. Might try the Scotts 32-0-10 this year to save $10. Supplies are dwindling rapidly at HD.
any thoughts on 'organic' soil amendments / fertilizers? i'm thinking of using blood meal / bone meal and/or simply kelp or fish emulsion. I think the 'organic' stuff is more idiot proof / has a higher margin of error for applying
It doesn't work as fast in colder weather. It needs the microbial activity that happens in warmer soil temps to break down
@@ryanknorrlawncare thanks - after more research- i ordered some of Anderson's Innova - its all plant based so shouldn't smell.
What about a late season application with a liquid nitrogen for foliar uptake? Wouldn’t that still work with out much ET happening?
Yes. This is the "ideal" method if you can continue to make light, frequent apps of N continually through late November. 1/8 - 1/4 lb N/M every 2 weeks is ideal. Make sure you have enough carrier volume coming out of your sprayer safely spray on the higher end of the aforementioned rates without risking mild burn.