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Robin Aitken: The BBC Has Groomed the Nation to Accept Things It Ought Not Accept
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2024
- NTD’s Lee Hall sits down with journalist and author Robin Aitken MBE.
After 25 years at the BBC, Robin says Britain’s national broadcaster needs to be reformed - or defunded. He discusses the state of modern media, and why it’s important to talk about the Divine.
Its about time someone said it. Mr Aitkin is perfectly and sadly correct.
1 (ONE) minute in - HE'S TELLING THE WORLD WE NEED TO BE GROOMED BY RELIGION.
No he isn't he is talking crap the BBC is not biased what utter tosh
In my lifetime the BBC has gone from respected across the world to something, underhanded, coercive and deceptive!
This is true for all our institutions!
The Media in general have morphed into one big Cartel. Britain is a small Island and it's easy to control the masses and they do it very convincing. Masters of bluff, ilussion and BS.
Like Harvard, Princeton etc in the US once revered now reviled
@leemills6825 you're irrelevant!
All part of the destruction of our society, to enable the shoeing in of “Global Government”.
But what about BBC pidgin though? They put so much effort into English with a bad generic ‘African’ accent… I agree, the BBC should lose its mandate of impartiality and we should no longer be coerced into paying the licence fee.
The BBC should have spoken up more about the Muslim grooming gangs.
More? I don’t think they ever did, did they?
@4evaavfc Savile committed more grooming crimes than all the grooming gangs. There were prolific white grooming gangs too, not to mention dozens of MPs. But some people only talk about Muslims. Villa are a shit team btw
I agree, I read the book by one of the victims “ I never gave my consent “ a harrowing read. The bbc brushed it under the carpet and hid it away, absolutely disgraceful!
It is FAR worse than that! Far far worse and truly evil
Anti-White rape gangs.
Just stop paying the licence
I've stopped paying mine - that won't kill it though.
When enough people stop paying, the government will simply devise a new funding model. They'll probably stick it on the utility bills as several European countries do.
If that situation occurs, the BBC at least won't be as smug as it is now - it will likely be much reduced in scope as well.
@@dazjackson1972over 400,000 have got rid of their TV licence think that is having an effect as the BBC are considering changes and possibly not having a license.
BBC is long past its sell by date.
It’s as slimy and rank as a forgotten pack of broccoli at the back of a fridge
Finally somebody made the comment that the BBC never investigates working class life. Its been known since the 1990's that its never looked at anything to do with that. So much has gone unreported. I also always knew that the BBC never reported on that segment of society. I completely agree the BBC needs reformed.
It simply needs to become an encrypted, subscription only service. Then we'll see just how popular it really is.
No! It needs to be abolished. We the main working class have funded it under threat of Prison if the Licence Fee isn't paid.
what a decent and moral human being MR Aitken is...
The BBC has become a voice for the Guardian. The Guardian has a very low subscription rate and keeps asking for funding. Without the compulsory licence fee the BBC would be a fringe outlet like the Guardian. The only hope for the BBC long term is a clean out of the Woke types and it should become less politicised.
The left take academia & protected institutions like the Beeb because they can’t compete in the real free market of ideas & don’t want to try.
Agreed.
The BBC is like the Guardian because Bill Gates funds them both!!! The BBC doesn’t just get its money from the licence fee!
@@somethingintheair5373 So where does the licence money go??
@@rogerwoodhouse7945 The wages of the employees and that's about it. Everything else is funded by 'alternative means'
An important, thoughtful and honest conversation. High time that the social engineering mentality that has overtaken the BBC and done harm to the standard and reputation of Journalism was examined and discussed. Thank you, Robin and Lee.
It needs a heck of a lot more than discussion. It needs a clean sweep
Absolutely agree. I would not listen to ANYTHING put out by the BBC. Even the drama drips propaganda. I am utterly disgusted by them.
Yeah, Call the Midwife is a danger to society
GOOD!!! I love to read about people who haven't a clue so are disgusted after watching something they don't like so to watch again to be disgusted 🤦♂🤦♂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@leaguefan7640 You’re really a bit of a plonker, aren’t you. You don’t work for the BBC by any chance. You WANT the media to be a propaganda outlet?? What exactly is your position? Because you seem to think this is all so very funny
Why does the concept of "tolerating" GB News arise? Why aren't we questioning whether we should tolerate the BBC?
Gb news is disgusting, divisive and racist
I tolerated the hell outta GBN when they started but after their Night of The Long Knives, not so much. They’ll bounce back though
I never watch BBC news. Mostly always GB News which is far more truthful and unbiased. Listening to truth is a lifeline. Inbibing rubbish can have a serious effect on one's life and even one's health.
@@Rayblondie gb news unbiased? Is that why they have 5 judgements against them by the regulator...for being biased!!??
Gbnews is rubbish it talks crap
All of this also applies to the CBC in Canada. It has been painful to witness the withering of an institution that once brought calm, balanced coverage of news, as well as creative and humorous original programming. It's been a decade since I've listened or watched.
True that. What was EVER good about the CBC is no longer.
I'd miss some of it but never turn it on anymore.
Watching the coverage of the trucker convoy was the last straw.
It's very offensive that 'CANADA'S CBC 'NEWS' would misrepresent that time, the way it did.
They have an agenda to support.
The bbc received 300m from kill gates pre 2020.
How unbiased is that?
Don’t get me started about Canada! Another crying shame watching Trudeau invite nazis in to chambers and STILL keeping his job? Corrupt to the core.
ABC Australia as well
And everything became worse under Woke Justin Trudeau!...
I'm Canadian too and I completely agree with you about the CBC. It has long since become a woke joke offering nothing but leftist propaganda on what it markets as "news".
It is unwatchable and I really resent having my tax dollars going toward subsidizing it.
The sooner it goes the better. It's rotten to the core !
Yes.
BBC was a beacon of light in englands and europes darkest hours during ww2 its fall from grace is heartbreaking
yes like a slow cancer BBC has been taken over by weak shallow minded people.
From affection and respect for the BBC, years ago, my consumption of BBC content, TV or Radio has gone down to zero over the past few years. (apart from occasional 1980s episodes of Top of the Pops on UA-cam!) I used to be an avid listener of the Today Programme, World at One and PM but don't touch any of it nowadays and - sad to say - I feel a lot better for it. I wish it were not so, I wish the BBC could recover its footing but I'm sceptical.
I switched off Radio 4 fifteen years ago (and ought to have done so a lot sooner); the legacy media as a whole is dead to me now.
It was never good it was always lying, corrupt and programming it's viewers. Never a good source we just weren't so aware then.
The BBC has a self perpetuating mindset that amplifies itself with every new recruit it employs.
@@bsimpson6204 Sad but true.
20 years ago for me...Listened to it round the clock before@@Blog4Justice
Robin said; that immigration makes for a healthy society.
Was society 'unhealthy' for a thousand years until, say, 1960 ?
And did immigration really make us healthier over those next 50 years?
we've always had immigration my dad came here after the war
before the war the UK had the Irish building its transport network
@@SlowhandGreg Not true. Read Eva M. Hubback's "The Population of Britain", published in 1947, just before the 1948 Nationality Act opened the floodgates to mass immigration.
@SlowhandGreg the UK has indeed had a level of immigration over the years. However it has had to absorb the same amount of combined immigration for the past 2000 years in just 20 years. This is leading to ghetto-isation and low trust society.
@@jumblestiltskin1365 My advice is that when someone like Greg comes out with 'We've always had immigration' you are just going to have to leave him to explain to his grandchildren that he didn't realise how dumb he had been.
there has always been immigration it is normal and healthy and good for any society
Good riddance to the BBC. I switched it off for good fifteen years ago, along with the rest of the corporate media.
The same time I did.
Do you even bother to read or watch news?
@johnwright9372 For the past fifteen years I have scarcely consumed a single item of content of ANY kind from the legacy broadcast and print media in Britain. Got rid of my TV thirty years ago anyway, but I was a regular Radio 4 listener and (mostly) Guardian reader; now, I keep broadly abreast of things via a wide array of independent US and British journalists and commentators on UA-cam.
@@Blog4JusticeYes, I have had a similar experience. I gave up on the BBC TV news ten years ago. I moved to Radio 4 and LBC and gave up on both fairly quickly. The betrayal of Mark Steyn by the GB News management disgusted me. Now, as you write, the new media online is proving surprisingly satisfactory and clearly, in time, those various outlets will bury the 'legacy media'.
@@frasersutherland1834 Yes, I like Mark Steyn too: l became familiar with him when I was following Trump's presidency. I have never been convinced enough by GB News to even bother subbing the channel (and still less LBC).
Whenever I turn on Radio 4, I usually hear one or more of the following:
An American woman talking about feminism and the gender pay-gap
Someone talking about trans-rights, racism, or praising Hamas, denigrating Israel
Calling Trump a Nazi, telling us there is a climate crisis
Praising Sadiq Kahn and ULEZ, etc.
Of course, I switch off immediately
Or is it comedy gold
Same in Australia with the ABC, pretty much all amoral proto-Marxist propaganda.
A word about Mr Hall. I appreciate that Robin Aitken is something of a perfect interviewee (just light the blue touchpaper and let him go....), but I thought Lee was masterful. Completely non-intrusive, you hardly knew he was there. As a result we had a chance to hear Mr Aitken's views in full, rather than an argument. Celebrity interviewers take note!
Sound many interviewers mistakenly believe they are in a 'conversation'.. But it is sometimes good to be devil's advocate so the interviewee can expand their point.
A man of integrity. I used to feel proud of the Beeb, but it is now captured by ideology. I cancelled my BBC license long ago.
I’m amazed this has only been brought up now. It’s been the same for decades and we’ve all known it.
my guess is it had to sink this low.
David Vance was talking about the BBC bias years ago
It hasn't only been brought up now. Even Robin Aitken himself has been saying much the same since 2005.
If it was not for my wife, I would revert to other channels and utterly detest the current BBC output, the diversity output ignores the rest of us.
As a working class kid in the 60’s, I found the BBC reasonably relatable, but rather middle class. As a by now senior citizen, I can’t relate at all to most of the output, because of its current obsessions and manic catering to the liberal/cosmopolitan under 40’s.
Robin has nailed it with the Super-Liberalism tag. Try any of recent Archers’ storylines, for the latest BBC thinking.
liberalism is dead - Woke is explicitly anti-liberal.
Are the 'Archers' still going? I shudder to think just what its story lines are today!
Well said, the BBC has outlasted its usefulness. I am tired of being force fed a diet of Life according to the (dubious) morals of the BBC. It should be defunded immediately.
You do realise, I assume, that you do not actually have to watch/listen to any BBC content? So you're NOT being force fed, it's by your own choice.
Oh do get a life - The BBC has infiltrated so much of modern day uk society that it is virtually impossible to avoid their sanctimonious diatribe. As I mentioned - they should be de-funded immediately. They no longer represent or stand for the majority of the UK population.@@bobjames6622
During the Brexit era the BBC held numerous outside broadcasts, always within ear shot of Steve Bray shouting 'Stop Brexit' at the top of his voice. Steve Bray was the voice of the BBC they couldn’t bring into the studio.
Why did the BBC picked up on the death of George Floyd (just one of hundreds of deaths in America every day) and run with it the way they did? The speed of the take up was astonishing, as if phone calls had been made saying ‘this is the one’ very, very fishy indeed.
The BBC latched onto the George Floyd 'murder' because it was another very usefull tool to further its lefteing cause.The whole BLM cause was an insult to the British people and it has now been exposed for the 'con' that it is.The 'death' of that crook and the subsequent imprisonment of the policeman involved has now been shown to have been a miscarriage of justice .I await with baited breath for the BBC to be reviled for its behaviour and the backing it gave to that criminal organisation.
Also, the George Floyd thing happened during lockdown when common sense had gone out the window and we were cowed at home under threat of punishment. Strange, strange times, definite feeling that the whole thing was being orchestrated.
@@paulsawtell3991It stinks like rancid fish
Government interference is the ultimate cause of family breakdown. Exhausting and expensive for both parents.
Is this a complaint about government or the politics of the governing party?
@@johnwright9372 It applies to all the main political parties, Lib/Lab/Con alike.The introduction of a presumption of shared parenting following separation or divorce would be an obvious first step towards repairing the damage, but that won't happen any time soon. Family law is so biased in favour of women that nothing will change until men start boycotting marriage and cohabitation en masse, and the growth of MGTOW over the past fifteen years has set the example for this.
To finish off the BBC make it a subscription channel, Guardian readers alone will not keep it afloat . Regrettably the BBC did a great propaganda service for the government during the lockdown era and are being rewarded for that .
What a remarkable man Mr. Aitken is. And what a pleasure it was to listen to him on this side of the Pond
Imagine if the BBC got its hands on Paddington? They’d colour up the tale with a Black Bear or a Panda for the sake of, ‘diversity’.
Haven't watched the BBC (British Bullsh*t Corporation), since 2017. Best thing I've ever done!
The Overton window inside the BBC echo chamber is extremely different to the Overton window of the general public.
Yeah & now just imagine the effects of the woke activist teachers in our schools
We're seeing it with drag queen story hour, and graphic sex education for 5 and 6yo children.
I got rid of my Television an year ago, because I had not watched ANY of it for at least 10 years. I used to be a licence holder, but I have declared to them that I do not require it, nor will I need it in the future.
Excellent analysis by Robert Aitken. Thank you.
A most welcome, correct and honest view of where we are,and where we need to be heading.
Time to say bye bye to the BBC? YES! I'LL say, well past time.
The BBC is stuck in 1924.
Don't think it will happen. It's a useful government tool for brainwashing the masses.
As a thoroughly disillusioned civil servant, there’s nothing said here that does not equally apply to the Civil Service (Whitehall in general)
I said bye bye BBC years ago
Me too.Cancelled the licence 4 years ago when I realised there was nothing worth watching on it and viewed less and less over the past 15 years
And so did I, 5 years ago! No regret!...
For as long as the Internet has been bringing me news and public responses from the UK, I've been seeing the same 'biased BBC' complaints.That goes back to the 2000s. Nothing has changed.
It's centrist and doesn't repeat populist right wing claptrap and for that Billionaire interests Hate it
Apparently the NEW left is anyone that doesn't support the Loud extreme right weather its socially or economically, its amazing what billionaires can get you to believe if the pour enough money into the media ecosystem
What has changed is the growth of alternative media and concomitant decline in the BBC's cultural hegemony.
The demise of the BBC and many other formerly sound beacons of news dissemination is why outlets such as this are so important.
Thank you for an interview with such a wise individual.
Unfortunately when they only hire uni graduates through the guardian this is what happens.
University is the root of this civilisational collapse.
Not just the BBC that needs an enema.
Who, arrogantly, see it as their place to educate us on all manner of issues
The BBC is just not British it needs to go immediately.
Certainly not the voice of the British people now.BBC=Reds /masons/gays/jews/peds and everything anti Christian UK.
Excellent interview. Agree 100% with Mr. Aitken's views and observations.
The way all interviews should be handled. The interviewer poses a question and then leaves the guest to answer it fully. I've enjoyed all the ones I've seen here.
Long past it's sell by date, it needs abolishing - NOW!!!!
I was truly shocked by the BBC's reporting over the recent attack on Israel and have come to the conclusion this self appointed ministry of truth needs retiring 😕
No diversity of thought or class.
The BBC ought to be defunded. I resent having to pay for it under the threat of the law.
For my generation this is so upsetting..at nearly 70 I was brought up with Auntie Beeb.
I agree the BBC is now falling short of the standards it set some years ago...
Could be said of the Australian ABC after a closely parallel descent into terminal wokism 😢
Irrelevant...but this man has a voice to die for!
He speaks the truth.
Hello from Canada. Aitken delivers an important perspective and adds to the national conversation. Cheers.
I agree with him, also get rid of the TV LICENSE
THE BRITISH BRAINWASHING CORPORATION !!!
Said goodbye to them years ago.
Not had a TV or watched bbc for 40 years, it's been liberating 😊
If you haven't watched it, how do you know?
Common sense - nothing more, nothing less. Many thanks for the post.
Well done for letting Aitken speak uninterrupted.
Great interview and one i think every sensible person can wholeheartedly agree with and who realise the moral fabric of our society has broken down !!
Fantastic interview thank you
His book is excellent.
Thoroughly enjoyed listening to this refreshing bit of straight thinking ! 👍
Thank you Robin Atkinson MBE
They ought to be renamed the GBC, the Gaslighting Broadcast Corporation.
The soothing balm of sanity.
Robin, thank you for your views. I am right behind you. You speak the truth. How I would like you to be in charge of the BBC. God bless yuou for speaking out. Fr. Francis Maple, the Singing Friar MBE
Excellent interview. After a lifetime of loving the BBC, I came to really dislike & distrust it few years ago. Nowadays I simply don't watch BBC news & current affairs (and I suppose I hardly watch or listen to The BBC at all.) BTW Why is the interviewer dressed as a Lib Dems party leader?
Stopped paying my licence fee about 3 years ago now. Honestly ignoring the barrage of daily woke politics its just not value for money compared to the multitude of far superior and cheaper streaming services.
Haven't watched BBC for years, no subject or show. sorry to say, it used to be the go to for international news.
This interview touches on a subject that is never seen on any news media over the past two decades that today is of major concern throughout the country. We often hear and see the problem of homelessness.
Yet nobody ever investigates one of the main reasons for it. In 2000, the then government coerced councils to transfer their entire housing stock to so- called not for profit housing trusts.
This ended the post- war policy of municipal housing, and the housing and maintenance departments that serviced them. People could walk in from the street to make an application for a tenancy.
This also included emergency cases. Council managed housing even continued after the 1982 Right to Buy
Scheme. Like all major policy changes the effects are often only seen many years later
Ironically the 2010-15 government wrote off the hundreds of millions borrowed by the so- called housing trusts to purchase the housing stocks 20 years ago.
Lets go for defunding.
In 13 years in power, the Tories have never made life remotely uncomfortable for the BBC. One simple way would have been to ask them about how representative they are of today's UK. Ask them, what proportion of their 21,000 Employees are Conservative Voters or Brexit Voters, or aged over 50......ask them if they have more than 3% of their staff identify as Gay, and if so why is that number so big....ask them why most of their newsreaders are from Minorities etc etc etc.. But....the Tories have failed, as they have with everything since 2010. TO make matters worse, the BBC has lost 25% of its audience this past 20 years....yet are to be rewarded with a higher Licence Fee. Only in Britian is failure rewarded.
The BBC as gone woke, they no longer employ the best person for the job but how woke you are. I used to watch the BBC for my news but no longer. They still produce fantastic nature programmes but news no thanks.
But their nature programmes still push the "climate crisis" fantasy. Unwatchable lefty drivel.
The BBCs coverage of the Brexit debate highlighted the awful bias of the BBC towards staying in the EU & that bias continues into so much of their lazy journalism Newsnight is a case in point where the interviewers are just aggressive & now irrelevant to informing the country on important issues in an unbiased way
Why are you lemons still paying the tv licence fee. If you just watch netflix or UA-cam you dont need to pay. Cancel your tv licence today.
Netflix is woke garbage too.
I am not remotely concerned about pornography made by consenting adults for consenting adults. Monitoring what children have access to is the business of parents. I am very concerned at Orwellian Newspeak from Ofcom and the BBC.
Agreed, and it strikes me that Mr Aitken is of the samepuld of state intervention as the rest of the BBC he used to work for. Such censorship would never work without dragging up a whole host of forseen and unforseen consequences, which Mr Aitken hasn't given thought to. It's a parent's job to monitor what their child sees on the Internet, not the state, and it's none of anyone else's business if am adult watches something made by consenting adults.
I only clicked on this because I've been held hostage by the BBC for 20 odd years obliged not to watch any of their products, I used to work for them, I have family allegiance to Canada and I see them popping up their heads saying they're world authorities on this and that and they look stupid.
What makes a good interview? Ask a question and listen to the answer without interrupting.
Thank you both for such a thoughtful interview x
Between a rock and a hard place, on the other side we have purely commercial interests :/
I wonder if we’re heading towards Sharia Law, or a derivative of it. “! 😎🥰🌍
Check out their donors as well. It’s certainly far from impartial
Love, love, love Robin Aitken. I could listen to him all day.
I believe the term he was looking for is abolished
Mr. Aitkin, I have very much enjoyed hearing your thoughts, today, and, in this chaotic world, they are very much needed. I agree with you about the BBC, and the same is true of NYT and public broadcasting in the US. Since a teen many decades ago, my self selected outlets were my public stations because of the thought provoking and inspirational content and I can readily say those stations have shaped me in a good way, and, because of that, their teaching me "how" to think, I can now say that they have, now, gone astray and they have changed to the point I would call them pablum. Somehow they need a come to Jesus moment, but, when they are truly impartial and serve to inform, they are a public good which all the public should support so I disagree with your thoughts on the license fees. We all should support public schools and its the same with public broadcasting because there are already a surfeit of partisan channels out there. But yes, they truly need reform and that can only come with a huge change in staff. ... I agree, too, that the breakdown of family is fundamental to the mess kids are in, as are the negative effects of social media. .... I also want to suggest that you think of something else that is intrinsic to the problems we have and that is the "completely necessary" wrench we had to have to lead women out of bondage from the world structure you, and to some degree, I, miss. This movement we "had" to have for women's rights , though necessary, was misdirected from the beginning and there was the genesis for the weeds in the trends we see today. But, the need for "the" wrench was due to the world order so bordered by the "shaping of religion" through the "human and power driven" aspects that women were treated almost as slaves and subordinated to their husbands and which was then institutionalized in our governments. ....but I do thank God that Western women rebelled and the tragedy is that it was necessary to begin with and so much of that need was caused by religion as it was appropriated by males to cement their power! ....and, now, what Western women should be alert to, today, is the intrusion, through mass migration, of the elements that would water down and erode those hard won gains that have had such a beneficial effect on society as well as the negative effects of the penetration of our institutions by a hyper liberal group that is shaping society to the detriment of all and we are producing a generation divorced from reality as you described in your story as a young journalist exposed to the dirty, rough lives of some of the working class people. ...the threads are many and are in such a relentless tangle that we are, only now, seeing how we need to find the origins and get the knots out. ....I very much enjoyed your thoughtful and concerned comments!!!
BBC
Propaganda machine for The English Establishment
Propaganda Machine for Guardian readers.
Great interview, thank you.
Why not say it? He is advocating a nation before mass third world migration.
We have all known this to varying degrees for years, I guess now he's got his pension he has suddenly grown a pair and decided to start squeeking about it 🙄
His book on this very subject was published in 2007.
Unfortunatly when countries or large groups say they want to cancel religion you know you can expect something imoral or down right evil afoot .
Robin’s book ‘can we trust the bbc’ massively influenced me. I’m an atheist btw
Absolutely bang on the nail.Middle class naivety and pseudo morality = BBC.
Its part of a dysfunctional S show called broken Britain.
Wonderful interview! Robin Aitken is absolutely spot on and I cancelled my TV licence about 4 years ago because I could no longer watch such biased, partisan output.
We, that is me and people like me, no longer have our views represented by the BBC.
Groomed exactly so, a wicked organisation.
We could say further things on that matter. Reference 'grooming'...
He's right. We accept that a King shouldn't be investigated for his close ties to Sir Jimmy because of the soft PR the BBC gives our royalty.
It's called 'The Long March Through the Institutions'. It has been planned.
Good to see a quintessentially English landscape on the wall! An idealised evocation of rural England in the 1830s by John Constable.
Constable tended to paint as he saw. He moved away from the idealised landscape in favour of a more realistic depiction of the natural world.
Is that a drug deal going down in that kebab house in the far distance?
@ph8077 well, they did love a bit of 0pium back in the day.
@@gilly5094Fair comment, as his use of a broader colour palette to depict the ‘real world’ was frowned upon by some ‘traditionalists’ at the time.
The paintings I feel are ‘idealised’ in the sense that in their composition, ‘artistic licence’ heightens the beauty of the specifically ‘English’ landscape he loved.
@williamtaylor the reason he is so important as an artist is that he was among the first to paint landscape for its own sake, rather than as a backdrop to a classical scene. It wasn’t his colour palette that set him apart, nor did he ‘idealise’. He painted outdoors and studied nature (clouds in particular). Landscape was highly stylised and far more formal until Constable and Turner came along. They laid the ground for the Impressionists.
You're a bit slow aren't you I said goodbye to the BBC 10 years ago
Long past due , does anyone actually watch it anymore
Talking of assumptions, one of mine would be a working class fellow would not even consider working for the BBC. I certainly would not. It makes sense; they advertise their jobs in the guardian, and what working class fellow would consider buying that? My friends and I agree to dump these bien pensants and their anti w working class spleen and use the money for a weekend by the seaside. Thanks, Southend!
Perhaps if more "working class" people worked for the BBC, the organisation would not have become the disgrace that it is!
Who would call working class a "fellow"?
@@mike6174 class is a frame of mind....I am (or was) a working man, but never considered myself to be "working class"
@@nickjung7394 if you think that then you have no idea of oppression felt by those who are truly in that class.
It's more the benefits class these days I, know because I live in the heart of it .
The BBC will always exist in some form, all governments will continue to ensure it does. It's always been the favoured tool for propaganda dissemination.
YES !!!! They are a waste of time!!!