Does A 2020 RAM 3500 Long Bed SRW Have Enough Capacity 4 A Big RV Or Should You Go With A Dually???
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- This is a review of a 2020 RAM 3500 Laramie Longbed single rear wheel with the Night Edition. I wanted to make this a follow up to the previous 2020 RAM 3500 Dually I reviewed to give a fair comparison of the tow numbers on a 2020 Montana High Country 377FL. #WeightWatchersTruckEdition
Big Thanks to Criswell Chrysler in Thurmont, MD:
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Info: www.ramtrucks.com
Here is the spread sheet I use:
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Nice video. Having towed the same small 5th wheel with a 3500 SRW and a nearly identical dually, as long as I have a 5th wheel or camper, I’ll always run a dually. The SRW towed fine, but with the dually and towing up uneven, curvy mountain roads I’d arrive less fatigued. The dually is just more planted and subtly more relaxing to drive.
New to your channel JB, great and useful information! I'm about 6 years in towing a camper and looking to upgrade to a 5th wheel. My tow vehicle is a 2018 F350 and the spreadsheet you pointed out is very useful in getting a complete picture of all the important numbers. Thanks and keep it up.
I Appreciate the comment! I added the spread sheet in the description so be sure to download and use it for your next rv!
Im anxious to see if RAM will get a 10spd to compete with Ford/Chevy. The reviews I've been watching shows a lot better shifting, less hunting for gears, smoother acceleration etc. Aisin makes great transmissions, hopefully RAM will get with the competition and go 10spd. Definitely helps with the gas mileage.
I reviewed the Ford 10 speed and noted that the transmission was very smooth and you don’t feel the shifts at all. I’m sure the next drivetrain will see at the very least a 8 spd
The rumor is that Ram, maybe later in 2021, will get either the newest 9 speed Allison built especially for working with the Cummins or the ZF8 power line (power something, I can’t remember) transmission. I’m hoping for the Allison but the ZF will be stellar and they have a contract with ZF for some of their other vehicles.
big fixed running boards on my 2020 ram 3500 protects the truck from door dings. only thing getting dinged is the other persons door
Bought 2019 ford f250 diesel. Payload was almost at max.. that's why I went out and got a dually.. had to. Safety and most of all liability
💯👍🏾👏🏾 same here except I got a SRW 1 ton. If I step up to a bigger Fifth Wheel, I will most likely get a dually unless they raise the GVWR on the RAM’s again 😅
Great review and super information about payload and towing ability of both trucks. Thanks for the information and the review JB.
Thanks Rick! I thought it was a good idea to compare the long bed SRW/DRW to show the difference in capability.
@@JB_WhoWork You did a great job Bud.
Another good review!
This setup is almost exactly what we are running. Our 5th wheel is just over 12k dry and GVW just under 15K. Pin weight is 2200 pounds. I thought the numbers for gear / passengers the truck payload is still light for how most I know travel - my hitch in the bed is only a 20K rated 5th wheel and it weighs about 150 pounds by itself. I have tool box in the bed full of small stuff / tools. Two adults and a medium sized dog in the cab and assorted luggage.....maybe 800 / 900....until we put another 250 pounds outdoor toys on the roof for certain trips. I'm good with single wheel standard Cummins / 68RFE, but I wouldn't go any heavier unless we trade up the truck .
Thanks for sharing. I may be light because we are light travelers. Anything I can put inside the fifth wheel goes there. As you know I have a Goosebox and all my tools stay inside my RV. I’m probably about 800#’s over my advertised pin weight they show on line. I think it’s 1980#’s pin online and I’m around 2700#’s pin.
Thanks for telling us how you would know if the truck has an AISIN tranny by the dip stick location. That was priceless.
Good informative video JB. I went with a 2019 Mega Dually just in case. Overkill for our current rig but hopefully I won't need a new truck when the wife wants a bigger rig lol. We are looking at that Montana...nice trailer. There is a TSB out now to help smooth the shifting on the Aisin trans in the 2019 truck. Going in next week to have mine done.
Thanks Mike! The Montana High Country is marketed for 3/4 tons which is pretty comical. You will have no problem and can step up to the Montana if you like with your dually. I need to go in and get a few things done on mine too, thanks for sharing 👍🏾
Nice review JB! Nice detail on towing capacity as well! Definitely like the "long box". I'm seeing more and more pick up owners with 4 and 5' beds. Can't do much w/those fellas! Even w/my 6.5 bed I struggle with hauling stuff. If it weren't a deal, I'd have definitely bought one w/8' bed.
Thanks! Yea my 6 1/2 is fine for what we have but 8 ft is perfect for additional space especially if you’re fulltiming! I’m still working on the video we did I just have to get some more footage, look out for it next week!
Great video and breakdown of features/specs Bruh!
Thanks bro 👍🏾!
Good stuff... I vote for the DRW Ram 3500. We stated out with a 2500 Ram. All the numbers said it would work with even a bigger 5er then we had. It Towed our 5er really well using a Demco auto slide. We bought a new 5er, 200 pound more pin weight. The new bighorn was now causing the warning light for the over weight for the air bags. We bought a lighter hitch, still over weight for the air bag and had trailer sway really bad. So, we had an issue, Ram replaced the air bags and the sensors, didn’t help. I just said screw it, and we bought a new 3500 Ram DRW Limited Mega cab. 5400# payload and 32,500 towing. Problems solved for sure. Very stable and tows like a champ. Biggest problem was the money I lost from the 2500, 70,000 dollar purchase to 87,000 purchase for the 3500. Would have saved a bunch of money if I would have got the 3500 in the first place. I will always vote for ver kill on buying a truck for towing.
Well said! I agree I know I will buy another truck for the channel once RAM redesigns this one buy the question than will be either lower trim for more payload or should I step up to a dually... thanks for sharing!
Love your reviews JB. I'm still hoping and praying you find and can breakdown a GMC AT4 3/4 or 1Ton. Appreciate the videos.
I have a dealer close to me, maybe I will go ask them one day! I was hoping a used one would pop up at one of my Chrysler stores but they are still too new
I will always buy an 8 foot bed. It’s a real mans truck JB.
I would say dually. The other way to know if you have the Aisin is of you have HO, you don't have HO you don't have Aisin, because those two go hand in hand.
However, it is possible to have HO without Aisin, so the way you mention is a good point.
Definitely a dually when hauling the big boys.
Thanks for sharing Big D. I was taken back with this size trailer too because it’s not that heavy when compared to a TH. I think once you go wide-body fifth wheel, you’re probably in dually territory, especially over 35FT.
JB Reviews oh for sure. You should get all the control you can take when going that big
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Another thing you should ask yourself is 3.73 or 4.10 axle ratio. You really should drive them back to back with your trailer to see the difference in power on hills
Yea I have no doubt it has more power but for most, they aren’t towing as much for it to be a huge deciding factor. For me however, I’ve already towed with my truck 5K miles within a year of ownership so I would want it especially living up north. Thanks for sharing Dennis!
JB Reviews sound like you want the top dog towing rig. You’ll be towing houses soon 😆 what does your current truck have? 3.73?
😜 I wish I could try to tow the advertised 22000#’s but don’t have a tag trailer to do so... I have the 3.73 axle.
JB Reviews yeah youll like it going to the dually with the 4.10. Though I would give it a year or two and see what ram cooks up for the HD segment. I’m sure we will be seeing some changes soon
Yea I’m in noooo rush! I have to build back up my savings lol!
So I know this is 6 months late but I believe the payload includes full of fluids and a 150 lb driver.
Also just some food for thought, my Cedar Creek dry is 12800lbs and right about 16,200lbs GVWR round numbers but the pin weight is 2200 lbs. Yours is 265lbs more starting out. Doesn’t sound like much but it is! 265x5=1325lbs of weight in the camper that contributes to pin weight! Heck that is about all I carry for cargo capacity.
So the Creek with the traditional bed/closet in the front, if I loaded up to GVWR of the camper, The most I could get on the pin would be 2900lbs.
So w my wife and me (above 150) is 275, plus 250 for my B&W hitch plus 350 for my extra fuel tank, plus my generator 100 lbs, tonneau hard cover 100lbs, at GVWR I’m at 3900lbs Maybe 4000 lbs for misc junk in the truck and the payload is 4165 lbs but that is at GVWR and I really run at 14,500 lbs on the camper.
Point is with a front living for front kitchen or front massive bathroom, there’s a lot more weight on the pin starting out and almost all those types of trailer need a dually for two axles.
But on the traditional trailer your can go to a 16,000 lb GVWR and if you just carry what you need, I run about 1500 lbs of cargo in the camper which puts me well under my payload even with all the additions to the truck.
Also those Firestone AT tires won’t hold up towing. The HT tires will but I went to 295/70R18 tires which gives 4080 lbs per tire or 880 lbs improved weight capability and 2 inches wider fir better wear. Theoretically, with those tires which I call super singles could have over 5000 lbs payload. Just kidding. But you do get better wear and safety with that size.
Great explanation. Now I’m under the impression that the 150# person is used for advertisements, not the door sticker. I agree that floor plans will make a huge difference on which truck to buy but sometimes loading something in the basement or under the pinbox can drastically change the pin weight on the truck.
Some manufactures use low unloaded “hitch weight” numbers (17%-19%) but they could have potentially 3000#’s+ of cargo carrying capacity which could make an advertised hitch weight go from 17% up to 22%. This is why I prefer 16k or more to strongly consider a stripped down SRW or DRW. Thanks for sharing 👍🏾
Thanks for the breakdown man! I'm about to pick up a 2020 ram 3500 laramie crew cab 4x4 6'4 box!
Awesome congrats bro!!! Thanks for watching 👍🏾
Great review JB!
Thanks!
That was a great review, I want to upgrade my 2500 for a 3500 and the short bed is hard to find but looking at the video that 8’ bed don’t look bad on that truck
Thanks 👍🏾
awesome thank you for doing this, you are hopefully making people rethink can I tow this with that. Hopefully, you get a ton more views and make people safer.
Thanks Rick, that’s the goal and it seems like it’s helped 👍🏾
JB, where does the 21% calculation come from? I was thinking unloaded weight of trailer divided by the mfg. supplied hitch weight, which would give you about 19% for that Montana HC example.
Really good question, anytime you look online the numbers are assumed to be “dry” hitch weights, and some manufactures will say “average” hitch weight. Once you start adding gear to the trailer and depending on the options you pick, the 19% you’re observing is before you go camping/options. I will mention that this trailer has rear storage and the front storage is small but you can still add a generator to this rig, and the front storage is big enough to add heavy equipment. It’s better to go worst case so you don’t end up over on the payload. My trailer from the factory had a 1980# pin weight but when I got it weighed with nothing in it, it was 2200#’s and the only option that would have effected it is the front AC.
JB Reviews thanks for clarifying! I’m really trying to avoid a dually next time around but it’s hard to find what I want with at least 4300 of payload. Keep up the great reviews!
Just be careful with what hitch you get and if you can, skip the generator. Most people aren’t going to come close the GVWR and as you saw, this truck will work up to 15000#’s. I have the Reese Goosebox which will help keep the weight down since it replaces the old pinbox and you don’t need a hitch.
Your neck spreadsheet for the next fifth wheel toy Hollow let’s do 22 1/2% pay lead capacity
Awesome review. I love that truck. Too bad the payload is just a little light still. Thanks for covering the capacity stickers. So many focus on just the appearance and ignore the numbers.
Thanks Travis!
I say always go with a dually. I'm a guy who believes in everything having a function. If you ever need to tow more you are going to need those duallys.
The only real issue I see is that your truck is wider and you can't be really driving full time in a congested city. Get yourself a work van if you will be working in the city.
The other reason is looks. It's a stupid reason imo unless you got the money to spend and don't care about hauling heavy and you don't like the dually look for whatever reason.
Another great review JB. Have you considered doing a weight watcher TE with a Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi towing something like a Jayco Eagle HT 27.5RLTS or a Grand Design Reflection 150 295RL or since you have a Cougar, 30RLS? I know your friend Mikey has the Power Wagon but I will need the payload of a Big Horn or Tradesman. BTW, Ram ought to be paying you for these videos. Every time I watch one Ford throws in a couple ads in the video. lol
Thanks Rick! I can put this on my list of things to do and I have a couple of HEMI’s to choose from. Once we get settled in, I will get the footage for a jayco or GD. Unfortunately cougars are a further drive out to get footage for...
Lol! The Ford store I was going to acted like they had a problem with me doing videos so I stopped doing them. I guess Ford is making up for it 😂
@@JB_WhoWork No need to get footage on the campers. I'm more interested in your and/or Mikey's opinions on how the 6.4 Hemi would do with the weights shown on a fiver weighing roughly 10K#'s loaded with no more than 1800#'s on the pin. I'm really trying to avoid a diesel. Please don't worry with the campers. I appreciate you!
Very informative. Thanks 👍
What about single rear wheel High Ouput ? Would that work? This is like the same model 5th wheel we want but damn I don't want a dually!
New owner of a 2019 longhorn 3500 megacab
JB thank you for your videos! I am in desperate need of some help. I just purchased the 2021 Keystone 377FL, thanks to you we found the perfect floor plan for our family! My question is this. I am looking at (2) 2017 RAM Laramie Dullay's. Both are the 6.7L Diesel, with the 68RFE transmission. The first has 25K miles, with the 3.42 axle ratio, and the auto-leveling system. The second has 47K miles, with the 4.10 axle ratio. The difference in price between the trucks is $2K exactly. What truck would you pick? If I did my sheet correctly I still have just over 2k pounds in available payload on either truck. Thank you in advance for taking the question.
Hey Mike, glad the channel has been a good resource to you! What is the towing capacity for the 3.42 dually? If I remember correctly, some of those trucks had towing capacities less that 16000#’s so be sure that’s not the case with yours. I would definitely consider the 4.10 if you plan on climbing grades because the 3.42 does feel sluggish when accelerating 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork thanks for the advice and quick response!
I noticed that in the spreadsheet you use one of the options for the trailer is “loaded”. But on the KYD website, the same spreadsheet has the same spot listed as UVW. Any difference in the calculations/algorithms?
Great informative video, JB. As for buying a 3500 for just cruising around, I'd get the 2500 with softer rear coil suspension. The 3500 is a towing vehicle especially when opting for the H/O Cummins and Aisin, as I did. I don't mind the tougher shifting Aisin, after all this is a piece of purposed HD equipment, not a cruiser. I would have opted for the dually for extra capacity, but it is a bitch to park where I am in southern California. I got mine with Ram Boxes, because I am now older and they are super convenient for access to tools, etc. I also got a 2018 Montana and love it. Happy trails, my friend.
Thanks for sharing Phil! I agree that if people are expecting to cruise around, the standard Cummins in a 2500 would be the way to go. I’ve gotten used to my Aisin but the other 2 HD’s 10 speeds are better unloaded by a large margin 👍🏾
You really thought as well that one was quicker even though it has far fewer horsepower than the high output?
I wanna do hotshots with a flatbed and i have my cdl... is there a lot of difference in the 3500 single vs the DRW in payload and tow capacity
Yup, could be difference of about 1600#+ for payload and towing is 10000#+
Where does ram have a breakdown of srw towing including conventional towing?
Check their website under towing
I did and can't find. I might get a 2021 3500 long box srw aisen cummins4x4 would like to know can only find max towing which I'm assuming is gooseneck.
www.ramtrucks.com/towing/towing-guide.html
Can we ask why you like ram better than ford or ?
I like the idea of the Cummins and the inline 6 cylinder design. Currently RAM is the top truck you can purchase due to its interior design, air suspension option, and cab options. Ford/GM trucks are great and it really comes down to personal preference. I’m also an affiliate and get employee discounts which is another driving factor too 👍🏾
Bruuuuuuh, where in Maryland are you? We're in Anne Arundel County. We're actually working with Paul there Air Force Guy at Beckley's on our next camper.
I’m in Frederick MD which probably about 15 minutes from Beckleys. What RV are you looking at?
@@JB_WhoWork Freedom Express 310BHDS Liberty Edition. Also might be upgrading to a RAM3500 SWD in the Night Edition. We're going to do a custom order for the rig.
Nice!!! That is the way to go but with everything going on in the world, it could take a long time to get here. Thanks for sharing 👍🏾
Awesome vid! Checkout the new raptor 356
Thanks I will take a look!
Do you know how long the long bed one is from front to back
I do not but I will measure it next time I see one
Can you share your spread sheet
Check the description
@@JB_WhoWorkThe link no longer works. Thanks for the reply
www.keepyourdaydream.com/payload/