I thought your review was spot on. I did love the movie as I'm student of Bonhoeffer and I recorded a video series based on the Eric Metaxas book (Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy) I,too, thought there was too much emphasis on the club scene and really not enough on Bonhoeffer's relationship to the Abyssinian Baptist church. There were a number of attempts to assassinate Hitler - it seemed they put all those attempts into one event. I missed seeing the relationship with his fiancee Maria Von Wedemeyer. She was a very important part of his life and the correspondence between the two while he was imprisoned was profound. His brother in law, Hans, served on the German supreme court & was an important official in the Abwehr and was also arrested and sent to Flossenburg prison. They did not bring out how really significant Hans was in the plot. There could have been more emphasis on the profound impact his discipleship of his seminary students had on the Confessing Church. I do realize this is all part of the nitpicking because there was limited amount of time and also an effort to reach an audience that may know nothing about Bonhoeffer.
@@dianadye703 I love your comment, and will be pinning it! I have not gone through any of his reading material, or biography. I walked into the film, knowing that he was a German Christian, who attempted an assassination on Hitler and nothing else. I also only wanted to review the film as the story they decided to tell, rather than Bonhoeffer’s true life. From what you mentioned, it sounds like it could be an incredible miniseries. I believe if they had additional runtime, they would really be able to tell his story properly. But for a movie, I think it’s best to just focus on one thing. One main plot, and potentially a supply if it aids the main plot. That’s why I made the case that it could be good to cut the subplot with Frank as it does very little to aid the main plot which is the assassination attempt.
@@camwchristian Yes a mini series would be the ticket. I love that idea. The Metaxas book (over 600 pages) is the definitive work on Bonhoeffer I think. (Not everyone agrees with that). Everything in one place. It doesn't appear Eric had any input in the screenplay though. I did have the opportunity to chat with Metaxas about his book. He got a lot of push back from some Bonhoeffer theologians. Since some in my family were holocaust survivors it all has special meaning to me.
Having played in a jazz band I laughed out loud during the scene where Bonhoeffer began playing a classical piece on the piano and the trumpeter quickly turned it into an amazing jazz adaptation. Especially funny to see a reserved German Lutheran in the mix. However, I see your point about this not really relating to the overall story. Bonhoeffer's interaction with the Abyssinian Baptist church brought life, energy, emotion, and soul to his Christianity. I though the film brought that out but I agree it could have been emphasized more.
@@dianadye703 But Metaxas is not the guy to do the miniseries. He has an agenda that Bonhoeffer would not have approved. And while I liked his book, the biography by Eberhard Bethge (Bonhoeffer's redhead friend in the movie) would be the definitive one.
I saw the movie twice and loved it, this generation needs people like Bonhoeffer! We need Christians to wake up and resist evil, unfortunately we are living in similar days.
How do you say his time in Harlem at the legendary Abysinian Baptist church is not a big piece of the movie? His experience at the Abysinian church was what altered his perception and worldview that shaped and informed his pastorship and resistant fight in Germany.
Great perspective but I’m looking at it as a film critique and how to tell a well focused story in a short run time rather than all the events of his life. My opinion still stands, I think the filmmakers could have approached the story with more focus on in country drama leading up to the assassination attempts.
Bonhoeffer observed that American's went to Church over culture wars (yes, even in the 1930s) He observed that only African American churches preached the Gospel.
I actually loved all the scenes in Harlem and the Abyssinian Baptist church. It gave me a great deal of insight into his deepening faith outside of theology classes. I didn’t mind the run time of the movie at all. I was captivated by the movie. I have been reflecting upon the life of Bonhoeffer and the German people ever since. For me a great movie is one that creates deep and continued reflection. As a Lutheran my entire life and German lineage, I have always heard about Bonhoeffer’s heroism but this movie and the excellent portrayal by Jonas Dassler brought me to a more personal level of “knowing” Bonhoeffer. My deep appreciation for this film.
I've not seen the movie yet, but each review & or trailer touches my heart in a way that brings tears speaking volumes to today's church. The American church needs this message.
What amazed me about this movie is the story it told about how Hitler and regime impacted the German church. We’ve seen the historical impact he had, but never from the viewpoint from within the Christian church. He banned the Bible and re-wrote his own version. I literally never knew that. Great film overall, really enjoyed it. Good review!
Me neither. Such an interesting perspective. When that one guy asked "So there have been no other evil kings since scripture?" Like it's wild how many people just live through these times and do nothing. Say nothing. He immediately heard them worshipping a man and called it out. The movie was really good at showing how much strength and courage it took to speak against your own church and have the strength to stand together. On Wikipedia I looked at the churches that resisted and it's just amazing how few did. Speaking out is so powerful, though. Those people are remembered.
@@chelseashurmantine8153 This amazed me too! I knew a little about Bonhoeffer, had heard of him most of my life, but didn't know the extent to which the Lutheran church at that time supported Hitler. I asked my brother in law who went to Lutheran seminary in this country shortly after WWII if that was discussed by his professors and he said it was not.
It's also worth pointing out that while Bonhoeffer doubtless knew of plots to kill Hitler, there is no evidence that he was ever involved with any of them. And he certainly never embraced the idea the way the movie suggests. Also, the assassination plot in the film is not the one Bonhoeffer MIGHT have been slightly involved with. And the gun in his hand in the poster is inexcusable.
He was pacifist to the end. Great movie. Hadn't heard of him but the movie was so good. Been surfing his Wikipedia ever since, want to read his books and his fiance's complete collection of their correspondences while he was in prison. Such an interesting slice of history from an interesting perspective. Hearing those meme-ified quotes spoken and picturing the people that spoke them was amazing. Really amazing movie. I think that the time he spent in USA was to awaken him. I loved it because it showed us his core memories that gave him strength when he was in prison for years and in concentration camp with no contact with support. Music is therapy, and that was a therapeutic moment he could carry. To be alone like that, you have to look back at moments in your life where you had strong feelings with strong happy memories. I liked this movie because it didn't have gratuitous suffering or violence. It DEFINITELY had it. And I like how it focused on the inner experiences of people who lived through that time, the inner battles to leave or stay, split your family apart, and either way have to bear witness to the suffering. This was his home. His church being overrun, his flock being torn apart. The Sunday school children being forced into military service for a madman. If that's not gruesome enough for you then idk man. Use your imagination. None of those men were naked on screen so you have no idea how they looked, their clothes fit loosely, that tells us how they'd changed. I'm sure just doing the movie was heavy enough. My favorite scene was when his pastor friend who was in England (?) told him that England worried about supply to the church because it could invite invasion from Germany. And Bonhoefer said "INVASION?! My home has been invaded from within!" Just such a moment. His frustration was what kept me so hooked the whole film. Just feeling his feelings and not ignoring his conscience.
That was one of the movie's biggest flaws. It has Bonhoeffer arguing that killing Hitler was the right thing do do. He regarded it as necessary, but something he needed to repent for.
@ I would say the screen play, the acting, the cinematography was all so beautiful. Not to mention the story of this man’s life is absolutely incredible. And how it speaks to our time, not just with the rise of antisemitism, but love or hate President Trump, there is a big similarity with how he has taken power and with how Hitler took power and the rise of populism. Now I am a populist and a nationalist myself. But unchecked it can be very dangerous. And so it just speaks to a lot of what is going on in modern times.
I loved this movie. A few possible inaccuracies and a few kind of confusing time skip and rewinds. Other than that. So many of these themes stand true today. I still think everyone should see this movie.
I saw the film on Thanksgiving and loved it. I agree with you that the split timing was distracting and confusing. I do disagree with you about the scenes in Harlem, particularly the dance clubs. To me it was heartwarming and showed the very human side of the man. He led with his heart. Those scenes were actually the most entertaining parts of this very grim story too. I also saw a very informative documentary about Bonhoeffer on Amazon Prime, which was helpful to me to understand the story. In the Angel film the assassination attempt seemed unlike the way it was shown in the Amazon film. I didn't fret about the length of the film, it held my interest and that of my friend up until the end.
While l agree the part in New York couldve been shorter l think it was important to include as it exposed him to the oppression of the Blacks in the US. When he came back to Germany and learned what was happening l think he took that experience into being a major figure in the resistance. I think it added to understanding of who he was
but the young healthy Jewish men were the ones going to Switzerland to lend credence that they were well cared for, they wouldn't be the emaciated men. Also the scene in NYC at the Hotel with the black guy was important so that he could understand first hand, oppression. The scene also gives incite to his pacifist side
I beg to disagree about what you said with Dietrich’s time with the Afro American church. That was very crucial in his spiritual deepening of his concept of justice and enhanced his anti-racist stance. That 25 minutes scene with the Afro-American Christians to me is great. I gave it 5.
Not perfect. Bonhoeffer's execution was "cleaned up" for family viewing. Bonhoeffer's role in rescuing Jews could have been emphasized more, and the movie sometimes drags. Niemoeller's sermon to the SS and subsequent arrest were well done, but his name was mentioned so seldom that you wound up referring to him as "another pastor!" All in all, though, I loved the movie.
One thing that would help would is having a date caption so we could understand the timeline. The movie covers his life but it would have been a great reference. I read Bonhoeffer book by Eric Metaxas so i knew the timeline.
Yeah so I'm not super well versed or as experienced as you are with filmmaking. I'm just a watcher and the first half all the cuts the back and forth. The time stuff actually was very confusing and some of the transitions were just shocking. Like really strange. Eventually things started smoothing out a little bit and I was able to catch on. But really I don't know why you like the editing style so much. I thought it was kind of crazy. Just my opinion. Again, I'm not an expert, but thanks for reviewing and I appreciate your input
It's interesting that you think Oppenhiemer had better cutting between timelines. I thought it was very confusing, and my older brother (70's) could not follow the cuts at all. I also didn't like the arty stars and explosions that were supposed to be part of his thought process. It was just done way too much.
Oppenheimer is a true master-class for editing. Particularly the time jumps where they use different types of film celluloid, and aspect ratios to help progress that story and keep the viewer engaged. Much better upon second viewing!
It was confusing if you don't know the story of Bonhoffer. I didn't like the actor they choose for Bonhoffer. But still a myst see for all Christians due to been prophetic. Something is coming and we must be ready.
The great Shapeshifter has always been here, just in many different forms. He came in Nazism, Communism, the current form in the west is wokeness. The People fought back on Nov 5, but we need to stay alert as the enemy never rests.
Just watched it in theatres. This is a movie that needs to be seen in 2024. Are we willing to open our eyes to truth? Are we willing to come out of our silent closet of Christianity in the face of rampant wokeness? What is the cost of our faith? Some may ask why Bonhoeffer insisted on going back to Germany from the safety of the US: God granted him the courage to do it, to set an example of going 100% so that we may be encouraged to go 1%.
@@moodydoglady6959It is indeed a beautiful film. It is a call to speak out against evil when we see it. If you define joke as LGBTQ books and drag queen reading in elementary schools, transgender procedures for minors and state now having power to take custody of minors if their parent object to transgender procedures for them (Matt Walz passed this law in Minnesota in 2023, Gavin Newsom passed the same I 2024 in CA, NOT covered by mainstream media), government censorship (Zuckerberg just officially admitted in Aug that the gov coerced Facebok to censor information on COVID vaccines and the incriminating Hunter Biden laptop right befoe 2020 election, again NOT covered by media), abortion without any restriction (doctors testified how abortion is performed, they use a long forcep to pull put each limb and finally the skull, but you would rather not know), media fabricating and editing words to demonize political opponents ("fine people on both sides"... "now I don't mean neo-cons"), I have nothing to say to you.
More to the point: are we willing to give up misrepresenting Bonhoeffer to make him a hero to those who think that the answer is power rather than the cross, and the oppression of the powerless rather than our standing up for them? Dietrich Bonhoeffer would not have agreed with the politics of Eric Metaxas. Lies, willful ignorance, and hate are even more the enemy than "wokeness."
Too much time on the Harlem experience. It almost seemed like the director was comparing black oppression in America to Jewish oppression in Germany. Sorry no comparison.
It was certainly a point of distraction for me as well. Truly, all racism is evil. Period. However, I went to see a movie about Bonhoeffer. The hyperbolic retelling of the Harlem connection overshadowed, if not entirely blotted out, the most significant relationships and their impact. Did the movie even convey how Bonhoeffer came to be in the US? Was he the only white guy there? It’s fine if he was, but it is just so unlikely that it felt like propaganda. Of course, I’ve some research to do before actually calling it propaganda. It would be such a travesty if my hunch proves correct, as Bonhoeffer’s life and legacy is quite worthy of retelling accurately. His story certainly stands as anti-racist on its own merit and needs no creative bolstering. Regardless, to summarize his life as one lead fighting the ills of racism, is to miss the forest for the trees.
I haven’t seen the movie, so I can’t comment on the specific presentation. But Harlem was hugely important to Bonhoeffer. Bonhoeffer’s Black Jesus by Reggie Williams is the best book on this. Bonhoeffer doesn’t have categories for the role of the church prior to being at Abyssinian. He says he wasn’t really a Christian prior to his time at Abyssinian. The confessing church was largely opposed to the state control of the church not the antisemitism of the Nazis. Bonhoeffer was not only one to recognize the importance of the antisemitism, but he identifies it in part because of his experience in Harlem and with the racism of the US And while racism in the US and the holocaust were different, it is well documented that Germany sent people to the US to understand the US legal system of segregation as they were implementing anti Jewish regulations. So it is important to recognize the history of that connection.
I thought your review was spot on. I did love the movie as I'm student of Bonhoeffer and I recorded a video series based on the Eric Metaxas book (Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy) I,too, thought there was too much emphasis on the club scene and really not enough on Bonhoeffer's relationship to the Abyssinian Baptist church. There were a number of attempts to assassinate Hitler - it seemed they put all those attempts into one event. I missed seeing the relationship with his fiancee Maria Von Wedemeyer. She was a very important part of his life and the correspondence between the two while he was imprisoned was profound. His brother in law, Hans, served on the German supreme court & was an important official in the Abwehr and was also arrested and sent to Flossenburg prison. They did not bring out how really significant Hans was in the plot. There could have been more emphasis on the profound impact his discipleship of his seminary students had on the Confessing Church. I do realize this is all part of the nitpicking because there was limited amount of time and also an effort to reach an audience that may know nothing about Bonhoeffer.
@@dianadye703 I love your comment, and will be pinning it! I have not gone through any of his reading material, or biography. I walked into the film, knowing that he was a German Christian, who attempted an assassination on Hitler and nothing else. I also only wanted to review the film as the story they decided to tell, rather than Bonhoeffer’s true life.
From what you mentioned, it sounds like it could be an incredible miniseries. I believe if they had additional runtime, they would really be able to tell his story properly. But for a movie, I think it’s best to just focus on one thing. One main plot, and potentially a supply if it aids the main plot. That’s why I made the case that it could be good to cut the subplot with Frank as it does very little to aid the main plot which is the assassination attempt.
@@camwchristian Yes a mini series would be the ticket. I love that idea. The Metaxas book (over 600 pages) is the definitive work on Bonhoeffer I think. (Not everyone agrees with that). Everything in one place. It doesn't appear Eric had any input in the screenplay though. I did have the opportunity to chat with Metaxas about his book. He got a lot of push back from some Bonhoeffer theologians. Since some in my family were holocaust survivors it all has special meaning to me.
Having played in a jazz band I laughed out loud during the scene where Bonhoeffer began playing a classical piece on the piano and the trumpeter quickly turned it into an amazing jazz adaptation. Especially funny to see a reserved German Lutheran in the mix. However, I see your point about this not really relating to the overall story. Bonhoeffer's interaction with the Abyssinian Baptist church brought life, energy, emotion, and soul to his Christianity. I though the film brought that out but I agree it could have been emphasized more.
@@camwchristiansaw the movie last night and we said the same thing. It should've been a series. They tried to pack in too much into two hours.
@@dianadye703 But Metaxas is not the guy to do the miniseries. He has an agenda that Bonhoeffer would not have approved. And while I liked his book, the biography by Eberhard Bethge (Bonhoeffer's redhead friend in the movie) would be the definitive one.
I saw the movie twice and loved it, this generation needs people like Bonhoeffer! We need Christians to wake up and resist evil, unfortunately we are living in similar days.
How do you say his time in Harlem at the legendary Abysinian Baptist church is not a big piece of the movie? His experience at the Abysinian church was what altered his perception and worldview that shaped and informed his pastorship and resistant fight in Germany.
Great perspective but I’m looking at it as a film critique and how to tell a well focused story in a short run time rather than all the events of his life.
My opinion still stands, I think the filmmakers could have approached the story with more focus on in country drama leading up to the assassination attempts.
Bonhoeffer observed that American's went to Church over culture wars (yes, even in the 1930s) He observed that only African American churches preached the Gospel.
I actually loved all the scenes in Harlem and the Abyssinian Baptist church. It gave me a great deal of insight into his deepening faith outside of theology classes. I didn’t mind the run time of the movie at all. I was captivated by the movie. I have been reflecting upon the life of Bonhoeffer and the German people ever since. For me a great movie is one that creates deep and continued reflection. As a Lutheran my entire life and German lineage, I have always heard about Bonhoeffer’s heroism but this movie and the excellent portrayal by Jonas Dassler brought me to a more personal level of “knowing” Bonhoeffer. My deep appreciation for this film.
I've not seen the movie yet, but each review & or trailer touches my heart in a way that brings tears speaking volumes to today's church. The American church needs this message.
Awesome movie. Everyone should watch this movie!
Time to see it!
Don't waste your time, what the Bonhoeffer documentaries on UA-cam. It's not accurate at all.
What amazed me about this movie is the story it told about how Hitler and regime impacted the German church. We’ve seen the historical impact he had, but never from the viewpoint from within the Christian church. He banned the Bible and re-wrote his own version. I literally never knew that.
Great film overall, really enjoyed it.
Good review!
Me neither. Such an interesting perspective. When that one guy asked "So there have been no other evil kings since scripture?" Like it's wild how many people just live through these times and do nothing. Say nothing. He immediately heard them worshipping a man and called it out. The movie was really good at showing how much strength and courage it took to speak against your own church and have the strength to stand together. On Wikipedia I looked at the churches that resisted and it's just amazing how few did. Speaking out is so powerful, though. Those people are remembered.
Bending everything to see the alterated jewish vision is now the Christian way, huh?
@@chelseashurmantine8153 This amazed me too! I knew a little about Bonhoeffer, had heard of him most of my life, but didn't know the extent to which the Lutheran church at that time supported Hitler. I asked my brother in law who went to Lutheran seminary in this country shortly after WWII if that was discussed by his professors and he said it was not.
It's also worth pointing out that while Bonhoeffer doubtless knew of plots to kill Hitler, there is no evidence that he was ever involved with any of them. And he certainly never embraced the idea the way the movie suggests. Also, the assassination plot in the film is not the one Bonhoeffer MIGHT have been slightly involved with. And the gun in his hand in the poster is inexcusable.
He was pacifist to the end. Great movie. Hadn't heard of him but the movie was so good. Been surfing his Wikipedia ever since, want to read his books and his fiance's complete collection of their correspondences while he was in prison. Such an interesting slice of history from an interesting perspective. Hearing those meme-ified quotes spoken and picturing the people that spoke them was amazing. Really amazing movie.
I think that the time he spent in USA was to awaken him. I loved it because it showed us his core memories that gave him strength when he was in prison for years and in concentration camp with no contact with support. Music is therapy, and that was a therapeutic moment he could carry. To be alone like that, you have to look back at moments in your life where you had strong feelings with strong happy memories.
I liked this movie because it didn't have gratuitous suffering or violence. It DEFINITELY had it. And I like how it focused on the inner experiences of people who lived through that time, the inner battles to leave or stay, split your family apart, and either way have to bear witness to the suffering. This was his home. His church being overrun, his flock being torn apart. The Sunday school children being forced into military service for a madman. If that's not gruesome enough for you then idk man. Use your imagination. None of those men were naked on screen so you have no idea how they looked, their clothes fit loosely, that tells us how they'd changed. I'm sure just doing the movie was heavy enough.
My favorite scene was when his pastor friend who was in England (?) told him that England worried about supply to the church because it could invite invasion from Germany. And Bonhoefer said "INVASION?! My home has been invaded from within!" Just such a moment. His frustration was what kept me so hooked the whole film. Just feeling his feelings and not ignoring his conscience.
I love this take so much! Thanks for commenting
That was one of the movie's biggest flaws. It has Bonhoeffer arguing that killing Hitler was the right thing do do. He regarded it as necessary, but something he needed to repent for.
Watched this movie this past weekend. I must say, this is the best movie I have watched this year. It deserves an oscar.
What makes you say that? Thanks for commenting!
@ I would say the screen play, the acting, the cinematography was all so beautiful. Not to mention the story of this man’s life is absolutely incredible. And how it speaks to our time, not just with the rise of antisemitism, but love or hate President Trump, there is a big similarity with how he has taken power and with how Hitler took power and the rise of populism. Now I am a populist and a nationalist myself. But unchecked it can be very dangerous. And so it just speaks to a lot of what is going on in modern times.
I loved this movie. A few possible inaccuracies and a few kind of confusing time skip and rewinds. Other than that. So many of these themes stand true today. I still think everyone should see this movie.
I completely agree!
I saw the film on Thanksgiving and loved it. I agree with you that the split timing was distracting and confusing. I do disagree with you about the scenes in Harlem, particularly the dance clubs. To me it was heartwarming and showed the very human side of the man. He led with his heart. Those scenes were actually the most entertaining parts of this very grim story too.
I also saw a very informative documentary about Bonhoeffer on Amazon Prime, which was helpful to me to understand the story. In the Angel film the assassination attempt seemed unlike the way it was shown in the Amazon film. I didn't fret about the length of the film, it held my interest and that of my friend up until the end.
have watched the movie and it was amazing, almost made me cry at the end
While l agree the part in New York couldve been shorter l think it was important to include as it exposed him to the oppression of the Blacks in the US. When he came back to Germany and learned what was happening l think he took that experience into being a major figure in the resistance. I think it added to understanding of who he was
He was a universalist!
Such a moving powerful movie. It reflects what is going on now.
I agree!
Not at all, the movie is not accurate and Bonhoeffer would never have had a gun.
It reflects what we just avoided.
Fantastic movie.
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but the young healthy Jewish men were the ones going to Switzerland to lend credence that they were well cared for, they wouldn't be the emaciated men. Also the scene in NYC at the Hotel with the black guy was important so that he could understand first hand, oppression. The scene also gives incite to his pacifist side
Just saw that movie last week; it was powerful!
This film is so, so, so, SO GOOD! Beautifully done, too! You MUST see it - and be inspired!!!!
This was an excellent movie
I beg to disagree about what you said with Dietrich’s time with the Afro American church. That was very crucial in his spiritual deepening of his concept of justice and enhanced his anti-racist stance. That 25 minutes scene with the Afro-American Christians to me is great. I gave it 5.
Thanks for sharing your perspective!
Not perfect. Bonhoeffer's execution was "cleaned up" for family viewing. Bonhoeffer's role in rescuing Jews could have been emphasized more, and the movie sometimes drags. Niemoeller's sermon to the SS and subsequent arrest were well done, but his name was mentioned so seldom that you wound up referring to him as "another pastor!" All in all, though, I loved the movie.
Great take! You’re so right, I couldn’t even remember his name
Where can we watch this film in the UK?
One thing that would help would is having a date caption so we could understand the timeline. The movie covers his life but it would have been a great reference.
I read Bonhoeffer book by Eric Metaxas so i knew the timeline.
Yeah so I'm not super well versed or as experienced as you are with filmmaking. I'm just a watcher and the first half all the cuts the back and forth. The time stuff actually was very confusing and some of the transitions were just shocking. Like really strange. Eventually things started smoothing out a little bit and I was able to catch on. But really I don't know why you like the editing style so much. I thought it was kind of crazy. Just my opinion. Again, I'm not an expert, but thanks for reviewing and I appreciate your input
Loved your Review!
Thank you for this review. Subscribed.
It's interesting that you think Oppenhiemer had better cutting between timelines. I thought it was very confusing, and my older brother (70's) could not follow the cuts at all. I also didn't like the arty stars and explosions that were supposed to be part of his thought process. It was just done way too much.
Oppenheimer is a true master-class for editing. Particularly the time jumps where they use different types of film celluloid, and aspect ratios to help progress that story and keep the viewer engaged. Much better upon second viewing!
The film is a box office bomb because they lied about Bonhoeffer.
It's a box office bomb because Christians still aren't supporting these Christian movies coming from Angel Studios.
@@donmcc6573 This is not a Christian movie. It's a Christian Nationalists movie.
Because in the US they want action movies
It was confusing if you don't know the story of Bonhoffer. I didn't like the actor they choose for Bonhoffer. But still a myst see for all Christians due to been prophetic. Something is coming and we must be ready.
The great Shapeshifter has always been here, just in many different forms. He came in Nazism, Communism, the current form in the west is wokeness. The People fought back on Nov 5, but we need to stay alert as the enemy never rests.
saw it last night, anyone that voted for Trump should see and really think about what they did
Just watched it in theatres. This is a movie that needs to be seen in 2024. Are we willing to open our eyes to truth? Are we willing to come out of our silent closet of Christianity in the face of rampant wokeness? What is the cost of our faith? Some may ask why Bonhoeffer insisted on going back to Germany from the safety of the US: God granted him the courage to do it, to set an example of going 100% so that we may be encouraged to go 1%.
It's horrifically tragic that this is how you interpreted such a beautiful film. "Rampant wokeness" what a joke...
@@moodydoglady6959It is indeed a beautiful film. It is a call to speak out against evil when we see it. If you define joke as LGBTQ books and drag queen reading in elementary schools, transgender procedures for minors and state now having power to take custody of minors if their parent object to transgender procedures for them (Matt Walz passed this law in Minnesota in 2023, Gavin Newsom passed the same I 2024 in CA, NOT covered by mainstream media), government censorship (Zuckerberg just officially admitted in Aug that the gov coerced Facebok to censor information on COVID vaccines and the incriminating Hunter Biden laptop right befoe 2020 election, again NOT covered by media), abortion without any restriction (doctors testified how abortion is performed, they use a long forcep to pull put each limb and finally the skull, but you would rather not know), media fabricating and editing words to demonize political opponents ("fine people on both sides"... "now I don't mean neo-cons"), I have nothing to say to you.
More to the point: are we willing to give up misrepresenting Bonhoeffer to make him a hero to those who think that the answer is power rather than the cross, and the oppression of the powerless rather than our standing up for them? Dietrich Bonhoeffer would not have agreed with the politics of Eric Metaxas. Lies, willful ignorance, and hate are even more the enemy than "wokeness."
@RobertEWaters that's the problem. The fascists of today will claim him as their home and claim that the animation fascism are the real fascists.
Stfu about abouy rampant wokeness. You sound ignorant and like a fascist
Terrible movie
Oh please Oppenheimer movie sucked
Yea, it was a bore jerker for me
Yeah, you have to be kinda smart to enjoy it.
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Obviously not. 😂
I’m sorry you thought that! Thanks for tuning in though 👏🏻
Too much time on the Harlem experience. It almost seemed like the director was comparing black oppression in America to Jewish oppression in Germany. Sorry no comparison.
How so?
It was certainly a point of distraction for me as well. Truly, all racism is evil. Period. However, I went to see a movie about Bonhoeffer. The hyperbolic retelling of the Harlem connection overshadowed, if not entirely blotted out, the most significant relationships and their impact. Did the movie even convey how Bonhoeffer came to be in the US? Was he the only white guy there? It’s fine if he was, but it is just so unlikely that it felt like propaganda. Of course, I’ve some research to do before actually calling it propaganda. It would be such a travesty if my hunch proves correct, as Bonhoeffer’s life and legacy is quite worthy of retelling accurately. His story certainly stands as anti-racist on its own merit and needs no creative bolstering. Regardless, to summarize his life as one lead fighting the ills of racism, is to miss the forest for the trees.
I haven’t seen the movie, so I can’t comment on the specific presentation. But Harlem was hugely important to Bonhoeffer. Bonhoeffer’s Black Jesus by Reggie Williams is the best book on this. Bonhoeffer doesn’t have categories for the role of the church prior to being at Abyssinian. He says he wasn’t really a Christian prior to his time at Abyssinian. The confessing church was largely opposed to the state control of the church not the antisemitism of the Nazis. Bonhoeffer was not only one to recognize the importance of the antisemitism, but he identifies it in part because of his experience in Harlem and with the racism of the US
And while racism in the US and the holocaust were different, it is well documented that Germany sent people to the US to understand the US legal system of segregation as they were implementing anti Jewish regulations. So it is important to recognize the history of that connection.
Not comparing it just adding to the depth of Bonhoffer. Perhaps that experience helped him when he got back to Germany to fight the Nazis
0/10 film. HOW DARE YOU CALLING THIS JEWISH FILM CHRISTIAN???
Fantastic movie