We should start making it a requirement to get permission from the estates of people like Bonhoeffer to make biopics so we don’t end up with this shit again
They did the same with Martin Luther King Jr for many years. MLK opposed the Vietnam War and supported the sanitation worker's strike in Memphis, Tennessee in 1968. But I've finally started to see some European-descended (I'm avoiding UA-cam censors) Christians start to pushback on MLK. That "not to speak is to speak, not to act is to act" quote at 18:50 reminds me of the leftist sentiment, "it's not enough to be not rac1st, you have to be antirac1st). Two other famous Christian pacifists are William Lloyd Garrison and Leo Tolstoy.
Owen- I was very impressed with your analysis. I’ve been studying Bonhoeffer for many years and also saw the film. I think you did a great job of showing what is and what isn’t accurate. Like you and others, I found many aspects of this film very troubling. Thanks for your work.
A movie/book that really shows true Christianity would be "The Hiding Place" about Corrie Ten Boom and her family who helped Jewish refugees escape Not-See occupied Holland.
Thank you for pointing out how cartoonish that hotel scene was. Yes segregation was a thing and r*cism was very common, but pulling out a gun for walking into a hotel and then the black guy saying that was his normal experience... that was a bit over the top for a random encounter with an average r*cist. That was a choice, done to make parallels between American r*cism and the atrocities of Weird Moustache Man.
I didn't know anything about the true events before this video and also haven't seen the movie, but from this video, it sounds like the true events would have made for a better movie even from a pure entertainment standpoint.
How does Eric Metaxas go from writing a book about Bonhoeffer, a man who was murdered by fascists… to being a fascist??? The cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics he’s engaged in is breath taking. Metaxas is one of the worst of the worst Trumpites in an obscenely deep cess pool.
I saw the movie because I have been interested in Bonhoeffer since I learned about him in middle school. My strong emotions for this movie are more so annoyance and frustration more than anything else. They must think we're idiots. Why did they not focus on the fact Dietrich wanted to be a theologian BEFORE Walter's death during the Great War. Why did they make him look like a fool when he fell in love with gospel music and jazz? What about his impressions of Union and the students not taking theology seriously instead of making Bonhoeffer look like he was bored and causing interruptions? Why did they gloss over Dietrich's naivety to racism in Harlem and how much it truly, deeply affected him and his willingness to return to Germany? Why was the hotel scene so overtly stupid and glaringly insulting? The struggles Bonhoeffer had within the church, his radio presentation being interrupted 2 days after Hitler became Chancellor... Where was the mention of his brother-in-law Gerhard (who married his twin sister Sabine) being Jewish and how he made sure they escaped to England? AND WHAT ABOUT HIS FIANCEE MARIA?????? We have access to these letters from prison because of his relationship with Maria. The assistance Finkenwalde is directly correlated to his aristocratic connections, primarily his connection to Ruth von Kleist-Retzow. Where do you think he got the money to smuggle Jews to Switzerland? Without this connection he would have never reconnected with Maria and thus he would not have been able to communicate as freely with his family. He was beloved by the guard who in turn allowed Dietrich to be given permission to have his bible as well as other books. The movie made it seem as if he was able to keep his bible hidden. Did they really think the audience would believe that he was able to keep Walter's bible hidden from the guards for 2 years! They made this guard's relationship with Dietrich seem random. They completely glossed over how beloved Dietrich was by the other prisoners and the services he conducted regularly. The concentration camps were... beyond infuriation. Why were they so healthy looking? Why were they "adequately" clothed? We know they didn't have coats or jackets. We know they were starving and tortured. Dietrich even mentions in one of his letters that the blankets had such a horrid smell he couldn't bear to use them despite freezing. Even for an independent film for take cinematic liberties, I feel insulted that they thought we wouldn't notice.
First off, I really appreciate your video. I think it is too strong to call Niemoller a Nazi. He initially supported him and carried some of the national prejudice against Jews, but he even grew in this over time and was consistently opposed to Hitler.
all the way up to 1935 he believed in hitler and his ideals. i call that nazi. after his meeting with hitler he started to see the flaws and from 1935 to 1937 he was in a walking away period. after going to prison he was done. but if he wasn't already, he was most definitely done by march 1938 when hitler had him put in sachsenhausen as his personal prisoner
Bonhoeffer, C.S. Lewis and Jesus ... perhaps the most overused characters to appear in films. Enough already. What more is there to mine? The problem with faith-based films is that the faith explored is always situated in the past, which is generally a safer choice than the century the film is viewed. Jump to the present, and the subject matter will often center on how someone died or had a near death experience, allegedly spent ten minutes in heaven and came back a new person. This farfetched nonsense plants believers butts in theater seats, but not so much us skeptics. We can sit and moan at the screen, but throwing a large bucket of buttered popcorn at the cinematic silliness isn't worth the effort, let alone the price of the ticket. Another faith based film that has gotten better reviews is "The Best Christmas Pageant Ever" ... and more appropriate the Christmas season than "Bonhoeffer." Dallas Jenkins, son of Jerry B. Jenkins, the author of the "Left Behind" series, directed, as he has "The Chosen," the successful Crowd Funded life of Jesus series. The liberties taken with the "Bonhoeffer" film were unnecessary, and demonstrate the film-makers total lack of faith in the original material. And let's face it ... Bonhoeffer's life doesn't need fictional tinkering to make it a spiritually gripping film. What's missing is faith in the subject matter, without resorting to cinematic gimmickry.
Imagine that. Less than a hundred years after Bonhoeffers death, stories and recollections about who he was and what things he did have been added or deleted to a point that it is hard to tell what kind of man he was. What types of changes took place over two thousand years in the story of Jesus?
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We should start making it a requirement to get permission from the estates of people like Bonhoeffer to make biopics so we don’t end up with this shit again
They did the same with Martin Luther King Jr for many years. MLK opposed the Vietnam War and supported the sanitation worker's strike in Memphis, Tennessee in 1968. But I've finally started to see some European-descended (I'm avoiding UA-cam censors) Christians start to pushback on MLK.
That "not to speak is to speak, not to act is to act" quote at 18:50 reminds me of the leftist sentiment, "it's not enough to be not rac1st, you have to be antirac1st).
Two other famous Christian pacifists are William Lloyd Garrison and Leo Tolstoy.
“Either make it accurate or don’t make it at all” Amen!!
I’ll be honest, the real story sounds far more interesting. Why wouldn’t they just do that?!
@@zacharysieg2305 I wouldn’t trust Angel studios with anything at this point
While the nuanced life and situation of a real man is absolutely more interesting, it also doesn’t fit their badass man of God narrative 🙄
Owen- I was very impressed with your analysis. I’ve been studying Bonhoeffer for many years and also saw the film. I think you did a great job of showing what is and what isn’t accurate. Like you and others, I found many aspects of this film very troubling.
Thanks for your work.
Finished reading your book, and now I'm a bit leery of anyone who uses the life of Bonhoeffer as an example of anything, thanks 👍🏼😁
Bonhoeffer has been a super hero among Fundies and Evangelicals for decades. This is eye opening for an ex-Christian.
A movie/book that really shows true Christianity would be "The Hiding Place" about Corrie Ten Boom and her family who helped Jewish refugees escape Not-See occupied Holland.
There was a movie made from that book.
So glad to hear you de-bunk the ficticious portrayal of Bonhoeffer, it was so unnecessary to make up this story!
Excellent German miniseries covering this whole era: "Heimat".
Ordered your book yesterday 😊
That review "while I have my quibbles with Bonhoeffer..." is clearly saying he has quibbles with he movie, not the actual person
There was an actual Gersdorf Bomb Plot with a suicide vest, but it had nothing to do with Bonhoeffer.
March 21, 1943
Thank you for pointing out how cartoonish that hotel scene was. Yes segregation was a thing and r*cism was very common, but pulling out a gun for walking into a hotel and then the black guy saying that was his normal experience... that was a bit over the top for a random encounter with an average r*cist. That was a choice, done to make parallels between American r*cism and the atrocities of Weird Moustache Man.
That’s for sure what it was. Shame
I didn't know anything about the true events before this video and also haven't seen the movie, but from this video, it sounds like the true events would have made for a better movie even from a pure entertainment standpoint.
Dispiriting, mean film. Of the "we're mad as hell and we're going to hit back" school of American Christianity.
at least the movie starts research. i keep discovering that the "rest of the story" is much more interesting.
How does Eric Metaxas go from writing a book about Bonhoeffer, a man who was murdered by fascists… to being a fascist??? The cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics he’s engaged in is breath taking. Metaxas is one of the worst of the worst Trumpites in an obscenely deep cess pool.
I saw the movie because I have been interested in Bonhoeffer since I learned about him in middle school. My strong emotions for this movie are more so annoyance and frustration more than anything else. They must think we're idiots.
Why did they not focus on the fact Dietrich wanted to be a theologian BEFORE Walter's death during the Great War. Why did they make him look like a fool when he fell in love with gospel music and jazz? What about his impressions of Union and the students not taking theology seriously instead of making Bonhoeffer look like he was bored and causing interruptions?
Why did they gloss over Dietrich's naivety to racism in Harlem and how much it truly, deeply affected him and his willingness to return to Germany? Why was the hotel scene so overtly stupid and glaringly insulting? The struggles Bonhoeffer had within the church, his radio presentation being interrupted 2 days after Hitler became Chancellor...
Where was the mention of his brother-in-law Gerhard (who married his twin sister Sabine) being Jewish and how he made sure they escaped to England?
AND WHAT ABOUT HIS FIANCEE MARIA?????? We have access to these letters from prison because of his relationship with Maria. The assistance Finkenwalde is directly correlated to his aristocratic connections, primarily his connection to Ruth von Kleist-Retzow. Where do you think he got the money to smuggle Jews to Switzerland? Without this connection he would have never reconnected with Maria and thus he would not have been able to communicate as freely with his family.
He was beloved by the guard who in turn allowed Dietrich to be given permission to have his bible as well as other books. The movie made it seem as if he was able to keep his bible hidden. Did they really think the audience would believe that he was able to keep Walter's bible hidden from the guards for 2 years! They made this guard's relationship with Dietrich seem random. They completely glossed over how beloved Dietrich was by the other prisoners and the services he conducted regularly.
The concentration camps were... beyond infuriation. Why were they so healthy looking? Why were they "adequately" clothed? We know they didn't have coats or jackets. We know they were starving and tortured. Dietrich even mentions in one of his letters that the blankets had such a horrid smell he couldn't bear to use them despite freezing. Even for an independent film for take cinematic liberties, I feel insulted that they thought we wouldn't notice.
Agree with you on historical and fabrication completely
First off, I really appreciate your video. I think it is too strong to call Niemoller a Nazi. He initially supported him and carried some of the national prejudice against Jews, but he even grew in this over time and was consistently opposed to Hitler.
all the way up to 1935 he believed in hitler and his ideals. i call that nazi. after his meeting with hitler he started to see the flaws and from 1935 to 1937 he was in a walking away period. after going to prison he was done. but if he wasn't already, he was most definitely done by march 1938 when hitler had him put in sachsenhausen as his personal prisoner
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Bonhoeffer, C.S. Lewis and Jesus ... perhaps the most overused characters to appear in films. Enough already. What more is there to mine? The problem with faith-based films is that the faith explored is always situated in the past, which is generally a safer choice than the century the film is viewed. Jump to the present, and the subject matter will often center on how someone died or had a near death experience, allegedly spent ten minutes in heaven and came back a new person. This farfetched nonsense plants believers butts in theater seats, but not so much us skeptics. We can sit and moan at the screen, but throwing a large bucket of buttered popcorn at the cinematic silliness isn't worth the effort, let alone the price of the ticket. Another faith based film that has gotten better reviews is "The Best Christmas Pageant Ever" ... and more appropriate the Christmas season than "Bonhoeffer." Dallas Jenkins, son of Jerry B. Jenkins, the author of the "Left Behind" series, directed, as he has "The Chosen," the successful Crowd Funded life of Jesus series. The liberties taken with the "Bonhoeffer" film were unnecessary, and demonstrate the film-makers total lack of faith in the original material. And let's face it ... Bonhoeffer's life doesn't need fictional tinkering to make it a spiritually gripping film. What's missing is faith in the subject matter, without resorting to cinematic gimmickry.
Imagine that. Less than a hundred years after Bonhoeffers death, stories and recollections about who he was and what things he did have been added or deleted to a point that it is hard to tell what kind of man he was. What types of changes took place over two thousand years in the story of Jesus?
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