BMW R1250GS vs. KTM 1290 Super Adventure S. Which One is Faster?
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2019
- BMW R1250GS features the new ShiftCam technology that brings more mid-range torque power: 143 NM and 136 HP (compared to the 125 NM, 125 HP figures for the R1200GS). But is it enough to beat the thrill-seeker KTM 1290 Super Adventure S (160 hp)? We took both of them to the race-track to find out. Place your bets!
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Why am I watching this video when I have a 125cc
Who knows ...
U may own superduke in future
I had a 125 cc before now i have a 250cc and after who knows? The future nobody knows nothing about
i have 150cc :\
Only zero is missing that's why... Find the zero .hahah
@@kiranm6749 BMW 1250 haha :v for sure one day
Very much enjoy your reviews here in America. Your drone footage is exceptional. Nice work.
Entertaining video again from you guys. Nice to see a diverse appraisal of both these bikes from Romania. Factual, interesting and above all entertaining. Keep these vids coming , they are spot on!
Fantastic video guys! You're getting better with every video.
Very nice guys, congrats, you are often providing very interesting content (and i am one who criticized you when you did not😊) I believe the hp difference on a race track makes a lot of difference way more than it would in the road so this proves something but possibly just half of the story. Thanks for the video, was really nice indeed!😉👍
Great reviews guys. Thank you.
That was entertaining and informative. Top shelf content guys. Cheers from America 🇺🇸
Knee down on both of these massive machines... that’s impressive! Great video as always!
fredthebarber Not difficult, both great handling machines even though neither designed for the track they can be surprisingly fast in the right hands...
Make sure not to drop the machine during trail rides. Forklifts may be hard to find...
@@patriotofgod9827 Just gotta know how ta pickem up mate !
@@stuartbirchall3971 Just gotta know how not to drop them...
@@patriotofgod9827 In the trails anything can happen unless you are ARiemann1
As Always, very good comparative test.
Good job guys.
Man, you are doing awesome job. I wached and the other videos you made. They perfect...
Great compare guys - really nice ride and drone footage - would be fun to compare these again this time with the same track day tires and push them a bit - I often group ride with my RR rider brothers and have been able to keep them in site with my R1200GSA with Metzeler's Karoo Streets (very sticky & precise - though very short-lived rear) - always amazed at how well the GS handles with good tires! Currently testing Michelin's new Anakee Adventures (very sticky though less precise, handles rocks better off-road though) Again, thanks so much for all you do!
Nice video guys! Always good to see you :)
Love these guys videos, exciting, clear and informative, from keen enthusiasts 🤔 experts in the field of bikes! Keep it up 👍
Performance on a race track is about the last comparison I'd be interested in for this kind of bike.
Why? If you want a adventure bike capable of on and off road, why would you not want the best of both worlds? This review helped me in my adventure bike purchase decision a lot! The KTM is a master at both I feel, and unlike most adventure bikes, this has everything i am looking for, sports bike performance, and dirt bike rugged aggression for off road!
On road? Yes.
Off Road? Yes.
Race track? Non.
Why do you care what the top end on a track is when it's unlikely you'll ever go there?
Adventure bikes need decent road manners, decent mileage and range and good off road manners.
How fast you can hang a knee seems irrelevant.
I'd rather have the 790.
I'll bet the BMW gets better miles per repair too.
The S1000XR would blow both of them off the track and still manage some trail riding.
@@wileym Well sir, to be honest I want to know the full capabilities of anything, if your searching for a vehicle that is supposed to be top performance on road and top performance off, wouldn't you want to know the limits and have full understanding of what your driving? I'm a huge motorcycle and vehicle enthusiast and also a mechanic, I love to hear the engine roar and see it pushed to its limits that way I KNOW what I have! We all have our preferences sir, that's just me. If you have a gaming laptop you want to know how much you can crank up the graphics settings, same with good sounding home theater system, goes for anything.
@@bewaretheclaw Not so much.
The only bikes I have wound out to the maximum were Harleys I had modified to go faster. And a couple of small bikes.
Most other bikes are already capable of going far faster than I have any wish to go and handle way better than I can use so, no, I only need to know that they will do what I personally want them to do.
I know my home theatre will blow my eardrums out. I don't need to actually play it that loud to prove the point.
As for gaming, that's the equivalent of a dedicated track bike. You can do a track day on a moped. It doesn't really belong there any more than an adventure bike.
@@wileym i understand bud, we all like different things i guess, thanks for the civil conversation, ride safe brah
No music please! Let's just hear the engine sounds...
Helpful info, guys. Just decided for the KTM. tk you
Thank you guys much appreciated
Thanks. That was entertaining - those 13 minutes disappeared so quickly! 😊👍
You are great! Greeting fro Serbia.. next review kawasaki versys 1000 se 2019😉
Verseys 1000 is a sports tourer not an adventure Tourer.
And Verseys 1000 is shit.
Nice review, enjoying your channel. Hello from USA
Thanks guys- from a California KTM fan!
You guys should do a long term test-ride with the KTM 1290 SAS, because you have the best tests!
Another great video. Thanks, guys! I do enjoy these comparisons. It would seem here that you certainly can't go wrong with either bike. So it really comes down to personal preference. Personally I lean towards the KTM, but that is just me!
In summary, great video and you can't go wrong with either one of these bikes.
As always excellent 👍🏼
Great work guys
wish I could give more thumbs up, really good stuff
Nice video. Big fan from Brazil.
You two guys do a great job with style - thanks
Great content!!! ❤
Closer than I expected.
As always,thks guys.
Good video....thanks for posting. I own a KTM and the motor really is amazing...they don't call it "The Beast" for no reason.
This explaination/comparison..👍
A great review 👍🏻
I have rode both bikes and the BMW is fast in the sense that number change quite fast on the speedometer but KTM is fast in the sense you are constantly popping front wheel and spinning the rear tire :D And KTM has even more "usable" power since it vibrates so much that you have to always keep over 3000 rpm on the clock so you end up riding one gear smaller than on the bmw, and the top end is also just as usable power as anything else, the gearbox is there for a reason :D
Worst comment ever. Now vibrations under 3000 are something good? HAHA
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Please make an comparison this year with the new Multistrada V4, KTM Super adventure S, BMW GS1250 and the upcoming H-D Pan America.
This would be an awesome test 🙏🏼
great video!
having owned both bike, i knew the KTM would savage it
Me too. I’ve had 3 GS, and I really like them, but I knew even the updated 1250 would get smashed.
That’s cool and all, but ride them from Virginia to Oregon and then tell me which you’d rather be on.
Beamers can add miles to your days. I’m not sure I could tolerate 12 plus hours on the KTM (stock ergonomics on both bikes)
Nice video, good review of the differences between the bikes. There was an italian website doing the same test including a Ducati Multistrada 1260, all with the same tyres. Of course the Multi it was faster than the other two on a track, but KTM was slightly slower than BMW in that occasion.
Then they made a race starting all from the same line: BigK got 200m by the first turn. Amazing.
Oh, by the way: KTM rules, always! XD
Sure not !
Sure not
This show just keeps getting better! Keep it up guys
I like your reviews guys! Good job! Greetings from Ukraine!
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Great video. That looks like a really nice and safe racetrack. Is this in Romania?
A lot of difference in power...and the track has a lot of straights so...no surprise. BMW never intended to compete in speed with the KTM, but in driving and traveling pleasure. ✌️
I love both bikes and both companies. If you bought either of these machines and thought you missed out on something actually measurable, you would have probably been happy with a Tenere.
Gs is the category definition of what a premium ADV is and KTM meets that quota and chooses to stretch it a little
Bravo fratilor sunteti cei mai tari nu oricine își permite sa puna mana pe pe asa motoare
An italian channel did a similar test with the multistrada also. The result was a ktm and bmw very close. I think it is interesting. The reaction you described are the same but probably the bikes are sensitive to tires and track. Interesting for enduros. I love this tests.
didn.t you include the ducati multistrada 1260S for this comparison?
Comparison sould be the KTM against Bmw s1000xr and Ducati multistrada 1260... but anyways nice video guys.Thanks.
No chance against s1000xr. It makes more horsepower, is lighter and handling is much more crisp.
Periclis Athanasiou yep. On the track.
how you can compare the 1290 with the s1000xr? its different bike not same class. Needs to make sence
The BMW S1000xr goes against KTM Super Duke GT
Miras Khakimzhan Both 160
Compare BMW F 850 GSA and Triumph 800 xca !!
you guys are awesome, great job!! keep it up!
I knew it was the one with the glasses the test pilot !!
Two magnificent maxitrail bikes and overall compared to other mounts.
Bestial the KTM and BMW: the Austrian is like a good diamond and the German like another good diamond but, more polished and detailed with respect to its design and throughout the bike, especially in every detail of each piece that is at a level of premium.
Is BMW the same polished diamond in its mechanics compared to the KTM?
Very valueable test. Everybody wanted to know how the big Tourers are on a racetrack….
I do know DriveMag love BMW e.e, however even If the KTM is powerful the exhaust sound sucks really hard, both bikes are great I can say, but this BMW is awesome
What about comparing it with the s1000xr? It would have been a more fair comparison.
Good video tough, as always.
I'm enjoying your videos! Keep up the good work, I'm learning a lot. @motomuttly
This is why real adventure riders are going more and more for middle and lightweight bikes with more agility and less power.
Adventure bikes belong in the wilderness, not on a track and the more track ready they become, the less off road capable they become at the same time.
They become more work and less fun except on dry, well surfaced roads.
BMW is selling more and more of their middleweight bikes and now with the G310GS people are going to start working with that platform. Rally Raid already makes a full off-road conversion kit for it. Get it a larger tank and it could go around the world.
I wouldn't be surprised to bee BMW bump that to the mid 400s and sell a ton of them.
This high power race is so totally counter what adventure riding is all about.
When I sail across the sea, I prefer to take a canoe.
You are somehow right on the off road capabilities and adequacy for RTW trips, a lighter weight bike will save you much trouble and make your life much easier. However, this "arms race" between the big trail bikes, IMO, started in earnest with the 2010 Ducati multistrada, who dared put a superbike engine in a trail bike, and the ms is such a magnificent bike, it would be a crying shame if it hadn't existed. I tell you, I have a multistrada, (my 5th big bike after my 1st ever, a 125cc Casal), I just can't put words to how much fun this bike is.
But yes, if I ever do a RTW trip, (an old dream of mine), I will take a 450 to 650 trail bike, then it's all left to the tyre choice.
@@antwan37 I love Ducatis in general and the MS is one of the best. (My first two bikes were Duc singles)
One of the first bikes with different modes so you could take the edge off the power for off-road use.
The power wars are fun but it would be a lot better for riding if they concentrated on usable torque. If this was 3 years ago I would have one of the Yamaha 700s.
@@wileym You mean the teneré 700? for a RTW trip? Excellent choice.
@@antwan37 Yup. That's the one. Looks like a really good bike.
Bravo ! Felicitari din Belgia
that fist bump fail ! :P
Nice facility you're testing at! Too bad KTM doesn't have a shaft drive......Nice video. Thank you.
Very goog guys!!
And I agree with others - it's very interesting to take a look at 1290 vs xr and ducati or just at least xr
They should have done the XR to begin with, since they're using the 1290SA S instead of the 1290SA R. They were comparing the more street oriented KTM to the more off-road oriented BMW.
do you think a man of 5 ft 7 height can ride the high riding adventure bikes??? such as the KTM 1290 Super Adventure R (showcased in this video) & Triumph Tiger XCR800!!! please advise!!!
Ktm ready to race!
BMW ready to cafeteria !🇬🇷😃🇬🇷😂
Ktm αδερφέ έρχονται Κρήτη για ανάβαση στα κατσάβραχα και φεύγουν βηδες , ενώ τα GS έρχονται και είναι και οι οδηγοί χωρίς λάμες όταν φύγουν
KTM ready to lose
BMW ready to win !!!
@@user-le9mw2pz3g μήπως επειδή τα bmw μείνανε στον καφέ ;
@@Chrisloou όχι είμαι κτηνοτρόφος και τους βλέπω όλο το καλοκαίρι που κάνουν αναβάσεις στα όροι και μηλάμε για άγριο τόπο , κατά τη γνώμη μου είναι πιο καλό ζυγισμένο μηχάνημα τώρα τα υπόλοιπα είναι και γούστα .
@@egg-static
yes you are right, BMW is always the first in the service:) KTM the best.
I like your "home made style" of production👍. Stay humble and honest !😎👌
Did he have the BMW on Endurance mode, bliper - quick shift, try using that in the winter in Scotland. People buy these bikes and hide them in there garage. I have a BMW GS Rally TE and it got me back into ryding after 10 years. I had a Susuki GXSR 600 ex track bike. I love my BMW, it's a great go to work all year round bike, it's very comfortable to ride, after all who test rides an adventure bike on a race track, trol trollo.???
Thought the BMW did great comparing the weight difference with its shaft drive - chain on the 2 bikes 😁
NONE of the Customers who Buy BMW 1250 gs want "FAST-BIKE!" its the ADVENTURE they want, if you want FAST-BIKE 1000 RR go for it !
@@bestvideos4ever1 that s why most of the gs bmw s never see the dirt:))
@@bestvideos4ever1 I want both! GS smaller front wheel makes easier to ride twisties on tar. KTM 21 front makes it much better ADV, but we GS owners all beat most of our KTM friends through the twisties. Except this one guy....lunatic!
I’ve had 3 GSs and I really like them, but my 1290SA is the best all round bike I’ve ever owned, including many Ducati superbikes and multistrada, S1000RR.
I’m surprised the BMW wheels survived, that’s been a huge problem lately
Ronan Rogers so which is The best?
Survived what? Road use?
you liked driving more BMW than KTM, maybe that's why you believed you thought you were getting better time :)
I like how he says pros about ktm while seating on bmw 😂
I'd like to see the overall torque curve, peak torque at a lower RPM only tells a single data point. ;)
Thanks for the video guys. Strange but good to see these bikes compared this way. Would be interesting to see the GS perform with chain drive as the paralever has some efficiency loss. I do like not having to deal with the chain.
What about service and fixing and reliability ???? And also the material
I think this is a fun comparison if only for the reason that both bikes are bloody amazing allrounders. I also love all the brand banta in the comments, boys will be boys hehe. I just upgraded my 1190 Adventure to a 1290SAS and waiting for it to arrive; would have happily gone with the GS if the deal wasn't so good with KTM!
I love the Beemer for it's outstanding touring comfort and all around credentials... it really is good at almost everything (it's what I rent when I'm in the Germany and the weather is good enough for riding)... but it's not fast like the KTM is fast. The Beemer runs out of breath too early - right when my Multistrada is just getting into the power the Beemer is going flat and asking you to shift, (and the KTM is very close to the 1260 Multi... bit stronger in the midrange where the Multi is strong off idle and at the top end). The Beemer is actually right with them at the low and into the start of the midrange... but after that it's goodbye GS.
That is no surprise, KTM ready to Race.
Awesome!
I had a gs in the montains of france for a while, if you want to test a motorbike on a circuit with long curves use a racing motorbike. If you want to test a motorbike on small mountain roads balancing from one side to the other in second then take the gs. This bike is a dream , amazing torque , gravity center so low that you just need your knees to drive it, incredible suspensions securing your path over bad asphalt. No sport bike will challenge you there, believe me, I talk from experience.
Interesting comparison, however being ADVENTURE (not racing) monster bikes, I'd be more interested to know how they both perform on a NORMAL on-road and off-road ride.
And not really interested to know how much maximum power a bike may give you at 9K RPM, but rather how much and HOW IT'S BEING DELIVERED that power at a normal usage RPM (up to 4-5K).
Anyways, thanks for sharing this video.
Now you can go round the world faster.
Nice video again guys 👌🏻 What kind of tyre would you pick for de GS for sporty rideding?
Thanks. I heard the the Michelin Pilot Road 4 are phenomenal for street riding, but didn't get the chance to test them. My favorites for street riding so far are the Pirelli Scorpion Trail.
I can give you a good answer🙂
Michelin Road 5 Trail.
It was launched in the end of 2018, and is specially developed for these bikes (they used the ktm as the test bike).
Michelin say it is pretty much an all tarmac tire, and the grip is just unbelievable😀
My favourite tarmac tire prior to this one was the Pirelli Scorpion Trail 2, but the Road 5 Trail is better.
DriveMag Rider I had the Scorpion Trail but i’m looking for a more sport tyre. Now running the Dunlop Trailsmart Max, also a great street tyre. I’m not a fan of Michelin, sorry 😅
Yeah, am I missing something, what difference does it make who's faster on the track?
Hello what do you advise me to buy from motorcycles , do BMW , Honda ,or KTM please help and any of these bikes have durability and fewer breakdowns and I do not care about the money aspect I can buy any bike
I test rode the KTM today. Sold!
Yup, we’re now racing adventure bikes for lap times to see which is faster. This is funny! hahahaha
Both are fantastic bikes. In the end the difference is also a matter of personal taste. There is no wrong decision.
First class don't come cheap. KTM handles like a dream at high speeds, and always has more. You just gotta be in control To challenge KTM limits.
Another channel has stated that it's unstable at speed.
No it doesnt come cheap. KTM stand for Keep Taking Money🤣🤣
KTM's are a bit more unstable at high speeds. Longer suspension travel and conventional forks/shocks (compared to para/telelever) are more setting-sensitive than BMW's setup. Had both types (990R vs 1200GS).
Interesting . Fun video . I think I would buy the BMW . I don’t really care about speed and quickness with a bike like this . I wouldn’t even take it off road. I would set it up with different tires for long highway rides . Thanks guys.
Owned both. Traded my KTM for the BMW, and it was the best decision I've made. The GSA is the coolest motorcycle I've ever ridden. There is no comparison.
The video would be more enjoyable to watch, if you cut less between the different camera angles. Sometimes it’s nice to see a bike ride round the whole corner. Not always cutting to the wheel view.
Are you guys going to do anything for RedBull Romainiacs?
splintergg not this time :(
If the BMW comes with shaft drive as it should then that is the deal maker for me.
Very well ridden considering they're adventure bikes on a race track.... BMW looks and sounds great!! 👌
both nice bikes!
I love your content but I don't think these two bikes are meant for spirited riding or racing. We already have so many segments of bikes that are made just to do that, super-naked's, hyper-naked's, super bikes, hyper bikes, track only bikes like the HP4 and so on. Most people buy the GS, Tiger, SAR or Multistrada for crossing continents. Still if you wanted you could have brought the BMW S1000XR, which competes directly with the 1290. Just my two cents, not hating in any way. Keep up the great work!
Amrit Swain i dont agree. I have seen a lot of people on these that ride fast and shoot past guys on full race bikes on the street. Even though they are going fast as well. Talking to a lot of riders on these, they are former or still circuit racers but their body just cant handle the driving position on those anymore. That is why they got one of those. So they like it that they still can go fast on these bikes.
The XR competes with the Ducati Multistrada and other street going motorcycles with a 17 inch front wheel... the Super Adventure, with its 19 inch front wheel directly competes with the GS...
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It's a no brainer before watching that the KTM is faster ! But it's the BMW I'd have for road
RK SBK Test drive the KTM once, you might change your mind.
@@TheWAP5 no coz id have a supernaked for thrills
This was not really a suprice to me, the KTM is a BEAST.. How ever this kind of bikes is made for long distance touring with some adventure riding and preferably with as good comfort as possible and thats when the "Bimmer" shines.. And the tourqe i just right for road use on the BMW, you almost dont need to change gears :) .. I just traded my KTM 1290 for an R1250 GSA mostly for better comfort but also for alot better quality over all and even though i miss the KTM sometimes it feels like i made the right choice.. If i wanna go on a track i'll go on a ZX10-R.
Agree.
Funny, just traded my 1290 SAS after almost 2 years back to the 1250 GS (been a long time GS fan too) because of buffeting on the KT/general comfort/height on the GS. Will I miss the KTM at times? Yes. It's an awesome bike and anyone who owns either of these won't be disappointed. More a case of whats your favourite flavour
I own a KTM adventure and agree about track times or even off road prowess. The GS wins in the resale and comfort.
I love my Adventure but you can't ride it easy and kick back. It is a high maintenance beast that hates going slow.
On which racetrack you drove the bikes? regards, OLI
Motor Park Romania
Each to their own.. but I didn't really absorb this video as seeing two adventure bikes on a race track with a dude in full race leathers... kinda missed the point of these bikes and what I was looking for...
But again, I guess each to their own. :)
I think with these two bikes the course should have been the grass next to the track.