We jumped from an AWACS who ruled with an iron fist and mercilessly lets on of their own shoot an ally, to a guy who makes food puns while eating a sandwich when in an operation.
Long Caster. The only near sane AWACS in the game. Thats why i favor him. Sure i like Bandog's sarcasm, sure what he did was good so to keep the war into their favor, but shooting down Full Band just to keep secrets from leaking out? Couldve just put him in solitary, goddammit!
If Trigger could talk: "Oh yeah? Well I decide whether you'll look like an idiot or not in front of your commander! So I'd watch it with the passive-aggressive comments if I were you!"
bluesrike rofl that’s probably what trigger was thinking during those missions where people said he was trash and trash talking and then proves them wrong when trigger fends of Mihalys attack, saying he “Somehow” survived by bandog was a long shot depending on the pilot, me flying the yf-23 didn’t even suffer a scratch from Mihaly, so assuming cannon is taking down mihaly while sustaining light damage is still awesome, because usually Mihaly kills all the targets he comes in contact with (Golem 2, Brownie; Cyclops 1, Wiseman; and an unknown fighter piloting an f-16 that mihaly had trouble with).
Manipulated by Belkan Grey Men perhaps since UAVs are part of Belkan Technology? Its like some Belkans can't let go on their past since Belkan War in 1995.
I liked how, poetically, this bit also leads to Count experiencing an inverse "sin" to that of Trigger, being that he kills a friendly with a fake IFF as an enemy directed to him specifically, whereas Trigger was framed by a UAV faking an IFF to everyone else of being a friendly while shooting Harling, who Trigger was protecting and NOT shooting at. "IFF" may as well mean "Indiscriminate Friendly Fucking" among pilots now, thanks to BELKA!
@@rohan6502 and what makes that EVEN better is that during the mission in Gunther Bay while the VIP was explaining Erusea using fake IFF to kill Harling and framing someone else, Count asks Trigger “That’s crazy, can you believe that, Trigger?”
You know what? I played the rescue mission today, and I found out that if you keep the uavs away from the transport long enough, you will eventually hear in the radio about “gargoyle squadron” reporting firing on the transport. So it’s neither trigger or uav, literally fake gargoyle squadron firing.
You know what would actually be hilarious? Bandog making the player killing Full Band instead and thus living up to our name as an actual friendly fragger this time lol.
@@stevethebarbarian9876 I think Bandog intentionally set Full Band as hostile only to Count. He was closest so nobody could intervene in time, but also Full Band apparently looks at his radar when he shouts "where is he?" and doesn't seem to realise that *he* is tagged as the enemy. My guess here is that IFF could be set on a unit-by-unit basis, just like you had with the Gunther Bay escort mission.
>player IFF shows Full Band as enemy unit >player is not scripted NPC >player chooses not to fire at all even as timer hits 0 >Count asks where the one remaining target is. The console bursts into flames, killing everyone.
@@cyqry Not only that, Count is (at time of mission) a pathological glory hound that wouldn't hesitate to add another kill to his tally. Rather perfect for this situation, given that IFFs were half useless at the time. Also factor in that half the squadron (including fullband) were flying F18s like the spoofed drones, it was just asking for a friendly fire incident.
I was always contemplating why Count didn’t recognise Fullband before he fired the missile. But when I thought about the drone craft type it immediately dawned on me: Fullband’s plane was most likely a Hornet as well.
@@danielmiller3781 There's two models of that plane, two and single-seater, I don't know what's on the game, but the plane can be operated by a single person.
@@Inferryu the game only has the double seater for some reason. It's very jarring when you're using it because everyone talks to you as a single pilot but you can clearly see two dudes riding
Basically, Full Band obtained intel (about Stonehenge) illegally, started talking about it over unofficial channels, meaning anyone could have listened in, especially the Erusians. Bandog warned him that he should shut up before something happens. FB didn't listen so Bandog had him tagged on the IFF as an enemy and Count accidentally shot him down.
@@zerofire3172 Well the top brass were using criminals as decoys and cannon fodder so I don't think they were gonna encrypt the comms for them. Probably assumed they were gonna die quickly and that one of them wouldn't breach their security.
@@zerofire3172 you forget that the Belkan technology they used can not only spoof IFF systems but access encrypted enemy comms as well, they'd never have the AWACS-to-spare squadron open but it most certainly was easily hackable.
Bandog was the most rude AWACS I have seen. He was a great character but one that we love to hate. He feels he can do whatever he wants and shows no care for his pilots sending them into the most dangerous situations without even informing them of what could potentially be there. He even tells the pilots to be targets if they can't fight. I understand they are convicts at all but you cant just throw people away like that. I think it was the worst thing to do because like some people said in the comments full band could have interrogated and it might have been found out how he got that information in the first place. By killing him they have still not identified how their intel was compromised and they have killed a pilot that could have been further helpful in the war effort. Bandog had plenty of time to deal with it in a non violent way but choose not to because he wanted to kill full band. He thinks he controls the convicts like they are his dogs. Also I don't know how Osea's justice system works but they basically threw trigger into that convict squad like he was guilty without even conducting an investigation. Its innocent until proven guilty but Bandog and McKinsey did not care about that. I wonder what the situation of the other convict's cases was as well. I was hoping there would be some measure taken against Bandog but nothing happened later. I guess thats the messed up thing is because its during a war and his pilots are prisoners hes going to get away with it.
TheProfessional you have to remember this is a Japanese game and Japanese morality is a bit different then western morality. I mean these are the same people who thought crashing their planes into battleships was a sustainable strategy, who apologize for minor failure by performing seppuku, and would suicide charge marine machine gun nests with no pants on because it was dishonorable to shit themselves when they died.
In some ways I think Thunderhead from 5 was worse. He betrays you after being brainwashed to think you're a traitor. He also demanded you hold your fire even when you're being fired upon in the very first mission of the game.
Also I saw a part of your AC7 streams. Don't use the "Standard" controls. You limit yourself too much with that. I also recommend using the control layout in which you need both buttons to do a high G turn as that gives you a little more control. It will help in multiplayer and against enemy aces.
@Justice Clark There are two different button layouts seperate from that. One where you hold both triggers and one where you only hold the brake button for a high G. I think the both one is called "Type A". And the other "Type B". For general flight controls I only use expert (standard in older games) as it allows full range of motion.
*Hartling blows up* Trigger: it was an accident. It got out of hand *gets sent to Hell* *Full Band blows up* Bandog:It was an accident. It got out of hand. *gets a medal* Me: okay game. I'm weak.
Well, one was a former president and the space elevator man while the other one was just in a penal unit (may have spelt that wrong if so than sorry) and knowing how that base works I'm sure the commander didn't care one bit.
One of the big plot holes of AC7 is Trigger as the grand hero of the war not getting Bandog and the penal unit commander killed, jailed or at least fired after the last battle, when his influence was WAY higher than either of them, and even if he personally shot them both on a strafing run, politicians would rather let him get away with it than lose their biggest national icon.
@@Nerthos IIRC, the penal unit commander uses your achievements to prop up his record and gets sent to the frontlines of the war (because the higher ups actually believe his BS and think he'll be a great asset there) after you leave 444 and we can safely assume he didn't last long after that. We never see or hear anything about Bandog after that though, so anything could've happened to him.
@@godzillercells Spot on, which means IMO they don't get any sort of punishment for their actions. I mantain that Trigger and Count have way more than enough influence and fame to make them pay.
*AS SOMEONE WHOSE CAREER IS IN PHYSICAL / INFORMATION SECURITY,* let me tell you how absolutely *irresponsible* it is to use extrajudicial murder to solve an information security issue. When an employee at my organization leaks federally protected information (it's happened twice that I know of), we don't fire them right away. We involve police, then let the breacher believe that cooperating with our investigation will let them either A) keep their job and/or B) avoid criminal prosecution. Whether we're telling the truth or not is irrelevant. You can't get blood from a stone, you can't get information from someone without dangling a carrot. And in Full Band's case, you can't interrogate a corpse. Bandog (and 444, by extension) knew Full Band was snooping long before Faceless Soldier. In fact, it had been three full weeks since Full Band started bragging about his intel skills. If Full Band needed to be isolated for national security purposes, they had plenty of chances to do it the right way... before a "tee hee oopsie" execution outside the chain of command. That's not how summary military executions even work, and I'm sure the base commander would've loved an opportunity to "find a spy" to pad his record. Bandog is not a judge. He's not military police, not an investigator, not anyone with the authority to order an execution. He's a radar operator. He isn't driven by honor or national duty, but by his god complex. The proof? "I decide whether you live or die." Prisoner or not, Full Band didn't deserve to go out that way. Bandog fucked right up, and here's why: * Who knew what information was compromised? Full Band. * Who knew what guard Full Band bribed to get access? Full Band. * Who knew what officer left their password exposed near a terminal full of (potentially) classified information? Full Band. * Who even knew whether the information accessed was actually classified, and not just personal dossiers or baby pictures? Full Band. Full Band was a symptom of the problem, not the cause. He didn't create the security breach, he merely exploited weaknesses and took advantage of an existing breach. You can determine and CLOSE THE BREACH by interrogating the person who found and exploited it. I seriously doubt their base would even have top secret access anyway. If I were High Roller, I'd stake money that Full Band had actually dug up some dirt on Bandog. You don't get assigned to bitch work like "bomb magnet at a fake base" and "convict baby sitter" unless you've really screwed the pooch somewhere in your career. TL;DR: Killing Full Band without interrogating him left his breaches unsecured, meaning they won't be closed, his accomplices won't be discovered, and someone else may come along to exploit them.
Full Bands biggest mistake was bragging about it in the air and in missions. Like telling your classmates you got the questions of the test right in front of your teacher and expecting nothing to happen. Full Band's sin was being an attention whore. Band Dog's was God complex.
Is your career tied to military, though? Full Band's crime was espionage. Which is, in fact, punishable by death. They are not official military, Fullband was already a crook, and the missions they were sent on were *supposed* to be suicide missions. In a way, they were already sentenced to death. I get what you're saying though, and in the end Erusean spies were kind of already onto the Oseans, but Full Band was a liability. I could see why he had to be taken care of immediately.
"TL;DR: Killing Full Band without interrogating him left his breaches unsecured, meaning they won't be closed, his accomplices won't be discovered, and someone else may come along to exploit them." I honestly didnt feel that Bandog, or most of the command staff for the 444, really gave a shit about security breeches. Seeing as the guy in charge was trying to use the successes of Trigger and the other pilots (but mostly Trigger) to make himself look good, and Bandog just be a general asshole with a complex, my bigger question would have been why such sensitive information would actually be available to shmucks running a prison/decoy target.
I wish that all the members of the Spare squadron had survived until the end of the game and became a squadron with Trigger at the front, instead of only Count sticking with you because I loved the interaction and banter between them. You know, a squadron consisting of misfits and criminals saving the world from -HAL9000- Z.O.E would have been rad as hell.
For real I honestly didn't like the fact that they were just there for a few missions and then just brushed off, those few missions felt like a filler episode. Would have loved to see everyone get redemption by saving the world.
@@bri12345ification And that same time some like Champ is just asking to get wrecked from their flaws. Trying to 1v1 an unknown ace is not a good idea.
I found that frustrating too, in other AC games you flew with the same squadron most of the time... In this one you get bounced around so much that you never get the chance to get attached to any of them. But of all of the squadrons you get moved around to Spare squadron had the most likable and relatable characters... It’s the closest you come to forming an attachment to your squad mates... Otherwise the rest of them are pretty forgettable.
This video is wrong. Full Band actually found Bandog's porn collection on his computer and was going to show it to the other pilots. I can see why you thought it was about Stonehenge though.
This is one of the reason that makes this game's plot not so bad, because it has a good consistency. Today I was thinking why didn't Roald and Hartmann (I believe that was his name) show up in mission 19, I thought "What if they were killed by Trigger?", but then I realized they lost their planes after being shot down, and after losing their base, there weren't any spare planes for them to use.
I have no real issues with the plot delivered in the missions. All the bad marks come from the cutscenes with Avril, the princess, and that Belkan Dr. Pretty much every scene is still an improvement over AC6, but the ones that follow missions 9,17, and 18 all really bring the game down.
Well the plot delivery in mission 16 is pretty terrible IMO: a total exposition dump from a character introduced and killed right after that... Luckily that mission is pretty good gameplay-wise
This Ace Combat game use the same type of plot as 6 narrated by an person who know nothing about the war he is involved, Ace Combat 4, Ace Combat 5, Ace Combat Zero and Infinity (Infinity is personal) are the stars of the franchise and since Ace Combat X they never used the formula of sucess again (An great history, Characters, villains and etc.) (Ace Combat Northern Wings could be an great game if they used Ace Combat Assault Horizon DFM and changed to Strangereal Universe, Ace Combat Northern Wings could be an great game), But Ace Combat 7 Skies Unknown still a Masterpiece for the franchise.
So cool to see that the events actually have this kind of depth even between different mission, if only it weren't so hard to listen/read the dialogue while you're dodging and firing 500 missles at the same time.
That's one thing that really got me while I was playing. The game is trying to have an emotional story and plot development all while I'm dodging 7 missiles and dishing out 10, I can't listen right now baby, I'm almost dead
Full Band is tragically dumb enough to "offer" to show Bandog his finding. It's bad enough that Full Band got privy to intels that he isn't supposed to know, but *to implicate Bandog in it* ?
ACF is right when he said, imagine if because of Full Band big mouth, that Erusea learn about Osea's plan to using Stonehenge to shoot the shield of Arsenal Bird... Then Erusea decide to either defend, or even destroy Stonehenge, and nothing can stop the Arsenal Bird anymore... And Bandog already warned Full Band about it... when he said two strike...
@@RedShocktrooperRST No one in the spare squadron was a spy. What kind of spy will enter a penal unit where everyone is involved in suicidal misions? The spy will not live long enough to give the Intel to his allies. He will be dead in a matter of hours specially in mission 7 where mihaly appears for the very first time and murders everyone
So in Mission 8, it’s very clear that Full Band knew about the Helios missiles. From the dialogue: *”Not that I give a rat’s ass.”* So this clearly means Helios was a weapon that he was fully aware of and was operational.
Actually, while Bandog is a total jerk, he is nothing but a loyal Osean officer. He WILL bend the mission objectives if it will further Osea's interests, like when he re-activated Spare's FCS in Mission 5 and authorized Spare to rearm and refuel in Mission 6. In Mission 9, he seems to genuinely care about the wellbeing of the Spares, notably Trigger, Tabloid and Count, as he sounded desperate when the Erusean drones attacked. I agree that Bandog used the ambush as an opportunity to silence a known security leak (Full Band), because he's a loyal officer
Right, using fullband level of hacking can get into this strategic level Intel is slightly less than leave the intel unprotected. If the Eurasian can hack both the arsenal bird. That so call strategic information for them is like a candy in a child's hand. They would've knew it before full band able to brag about it. Moreover, you can't single out one unit as hostile on another specific unit while the rest units are showing it friendly or the other way around. By my understand, IFF doesn't work that way. All the friendly and foe information coming form the command link, which the node is band dog. You can change the "protocol" to let onboard Mode C transponder unable to respond correct. And that is likely how band dog manage to mark those FA18 are hostile.( I am not sure his has the clearance of doing that) He can either identify full band as friend to all other 444 or as hostile to all 444. Moreover, trigger has already bear the name of expresident killer, and most skillful of the bunch. Why does band dog need count to do their dirty work and raise others suspicion? I've replay the mission few times, and still unable to conclude reason beyond doubt the IFF mark full band as hostile is intentional. Moreover, it's pointless to ask full band where. Banddogs radar on the awacs can see it all, unless band dog is able to somehow wipe all the IFF tag in the system and re tag them (which is unauthorized operation that has consequences by itself). Up until now, I still believe it is an accident. Moreover, when 444 becomes a legit unit, the rest of the squadron can file a full investigation on the incident( and I bet my ass they will), and I don't think it will take long to find out if the incident is actually a conspiracy. If the finding is later, band dog can really hope there is top brass stand behind him to prevent his ass get thrown to jail. (Forget about McKenzie, that idiot won't stand behind anybody, and his not at position to do shxt about the investigation.)
@@林振华-t4v I do think that Bandog could have had direct access to the Spares' individual IFF's. Remember, Spare is a penal unit at this time. As their "Warden" in the air, Bandog does have direct access to their FCS, we saw that in Misson 5. It stands to reason that Bandog would also have direct access to their IFF's as well. Also, keep in mind that the Spares' aircraft are rebuilt scrap. They probably don't have the latest IFF's. As for having Count make the kill, he would most likely be the one to do it without question. Despite being convicted, Trigger seems to still act like a military pilot. A hotdog, but a loyal Osean pilot all the same. And after his conviction, he'd likely not shoot at an unknown target without confirmation. Count, on the other hand, had always been obsessed with his kill count. He would take the easy kill without question, which is exactly what Bandog would have been counting on.
I thought that what Full Band discovered was the Tyler Island mission and that it was a suicide mission. My thinking was that if Full Band told the others, they might revolt so Bandog killed him. However, your theory makes way more sense.
I was replaying Mission 9, saving money up for a F 22, when I noticed the Dialogues again (Since Replaying mission 6) it hit me, Band Dog fucking giggled after Full Band gave his Position. P.S. I also tried to save Brownie when I noticed her on the Corner of my Map wondering if it that blip was a secret or something
At first I thought it was an accident, then on the Ace replay I started paying more attention to the dialog and realized that wasn't no accident at all... Still, AWACS Bandog is still my favorite AWACS from this game, really liked that "Dumbass" in the end ^_^
Gishathosaurus He may have been an asshole, but he wasn’t a constant asshole. He actually half-assedly congratulates Trigger multiple times because you get work done.
I think it works better for the story if it was an accident, with Bandog having begun to respect Spare and "I decide when you die" makes for a badass line in that context, in that he wouldn't allow them to die to some hornets with spoofed IFFs.
@@MrJinglejanglejingle well, in this case, if full band took bandog's threats seriously, he would've shut his mouth and stop spillin secrets on comms and he wouldn't have died. They're supposed to be allies. He should've gotten the hint that he was fucking up when bandog started threatening him with death.
I think Bandog was a megalomaniac who began to feel like he was a Good figure or something. Even in the mission '444' he tells McKinsey to STFU and overrides his orders. Killing Full Band solely on grounds of OPSEC is a gross overstepping of his authority, as well as potentially fatal mistake, as he doesn't know how Full Band got the data, where, when, or how it was breached, or who he could have already told. But if you have a Good complex over these criminal subhumans, well I suppose you sweat the small stuff later.
What’s funny is that while I had no issue with Full Band talking in the game, every time he mentioned some sort of intel, I hated him more for it. So when he died, I was glad he was permanently chat banned.
I also like the clever trick to use Count to do it, because he knew that was the only one who wouldn't question, just go make the kill. Trigger or Tabloid might be perceptive enough to figure it out. The only part I don't like is it was a bit too convenient that the Erusians happened to pick that moment to deploy their fake Rhinos and everyone except Trigger, Tabloid, Count and the late Champ flew that type. It does present the interesting question as to what Bandog was planning to do if they hadn't shown up, since by that point, he was clearly thinking of something, the UAVs just happened to be about as perfect as finding out Full Band liked to play Russian Roulette (or is that Yuktobanian Roulette?)
@@mitchellbarton7915 lmao same. My Trigger was too busy 10 seconds before Full Band's assassination launching missiles away like they're free, one more wouldn't have made me question anything
Personaly I was kicking it in to "firing heat-seek missile near friendly*. Reason for it is, heat-seek missiles are looking for heat source and they CANT tell diffrence between friend or foe. So firing at drone that was VERY close to friendly chopper may couse the missile to aim towerds Harling chopper after very quick turn pulled from enemy drone.
I would've preferred if we stuck with spare squadron until the end. They could've make Bandog/McKinsey corrupted in some ways, then Full Band could have been snooping around for evidence on them but then get "silenced" by Bandog as he did in the game. However someone else could have found the evidence left behind by full band, for example Avril who could have used them to get bandog and McKinsey (maybe using her "connection"). After that, spare squadron gets reformed in strider squadron led by trigger and paired up with cyclops and go on the same as the game.
Or maybe keep Wiseman as he was a cool character. I would have made it to be that Wiseman lost his team while fighting Mihaly, so Strider squadron gets formed by Wiseman and the Spares, and when he dies Trigger becomes Strider-1
I loved this game. It was awesome. Mix of simulation and arcade was balanced well in my opinion. And its really interesting to see the 'story' being taken seriously by everyone here.
I just knew that Full Band got killed because of he talk too much and tried to get access to some secret, but I did not know the content of what he knew (or about to knew) yet. This clip help a lot thanks man.
Next : Was Mother Goose One hacked and jammed? How did the OGDF sneak in McOnie's team into the Hatties? It's not like they were disguised or something, and they would probably be intercepted by 99s and 101s by then. How did Cosette survive that missile blast? Who was that independent special security squadron mentioned in Homeward? Full timeline of the satellite catastrophe Why did AWACS Argus kill Labarthe? What does the Zone Of Endless AI have to do with the superdrones? Ultimately : Full content of AAW 2019 Man, this is just like Avengers Endgame: lots of questions that may/not be answered until a later release (in this case, the story dlcs).
0:38 Jesse Pinkman: ''You did that on purpose, bitch!'' Walter White: ''Did what?'' Jesse: ''Don't play dumb! Full ricin!'' Walter: ''It was an accident. It got out of control.''
I don't think you're quite right on that. There aren't any enemies around to listen to an open channel and even if Full Band decided to talk about future plans during RTB, they could simply silence communications. It feels like Bandog's decision was almost entirely fueled by animosity towards Full Band's attitude and disrespect. Full Band clearly was going off the leash for a while already getting info on things he wasn't supposed to know, but there could be other means to silence him, maybe even simply keep him locked up in solitary. I think Bandog simply used the situation as an opportunity for a personal revenge on Full Band, you can even notice that he kinda chuckles when he says "I think you might be right" because he, Bandog, can mark planes as friendly or enemies, so he literally decides when they die as he claims to be able to multiple times, so yeah intel really is a life-or-death matter. Especially when the whole game's theme is information and the chaos that follows when there's no information, communication, intel as we see by people on the same side attacking each other, rebellions breaking out and overall lack of understanding about what is going on. We see that message even from the early missions when Mage and Golem squadrons are confused by their allies' actions and Mage 1 mentions that they aren't coordinating people "as usual", because no one had any idea Gargoyle squadron was trying to destroy the elevator.
Also. Only Count had him tagged as an enemy. Bandog knew this. Tabloid realised it as well. We had full band tagged as ally. Very likely tabloid did as well. Bandog calls on count specifically to get the last "bandit". He picked count becuase he was the second best pilot on the team. And maybe presumed our godlike ability would cause us to recognise fullbands plane. And tabloid might jave taken too long until there is a halt. The moment bandog calls on count, full band asks where the bandit is since on his HUD, like ln everyones except counts it would have appeared as clear. Quite a nice little touch
I mean tbf Full band could've gotten the penal squadron in even deeper shit if he leaked that classified intel, so Bandog killing him might've been to protect the others
I'd pieced together most of this, but hadn't spotted that the LRSSG's return point was explicitly from Stonehenge in the briefing! It's also worth noting that Bandog actually has a reasonably good excuse since Full Band flies the same plane as the 'friendly' drone squadron. Not something anyone in Spare would accept given they were there and saw what happened, but easy enough to satisfy McKinzie if he asks (assuming he even would; what's one more dead convict?) Definitely worth remembering though, since it basically removes all guilt from Count; he'd only have been able to visually ID Full Band if he was close enough to see the strike on his tail; not helped by the fact that Full Band flying a twin tailed aircraft means you wouldn't be able to see the strikes from a pursuing position. And why did Bandog pick Count? Well, he's the last remaining hothead who'd relish the chance to score the last kill and one-up Trigger for once. That kind of excitement would help negate any chance of him stopping to visually ID his target (and let's face it, it's not like Trigger does regardless of who's playing him). It's heinous, but IMO Bandog gave Full Band plenty of warnings and invitations to shut his mouth. Full band could've easily survived if he was a little more aware of what he's being told directly without needing to steal passwords to find it himself. And given that such snooping and leaking secrets is the same thing that got him stuck in Spare in the first place, he evidently wasn;t going to learn his lesson.
Another thing to note is how Bandog says, “It was an accident. It got out of control” that’s not that voice of someone who is happy with how everything turned out...
I have this theory that bandog was actually forced to kill full band by mckinsey orders. This would explain why later on he would show discontent at him (in case mckinsey is shoot down you get 8k points, an commentary of bandog saying the cargo didnt worth anything and a mission failed).
Count at that time was self-centered jerk who jumped at every "easy" opportunity to prove that he is better than everyone else especially Trigger. So obviously when easy frag arrived he was first to jump on it without questions. Its actually quite interesting to observe changes in his character after this and during later missions where he changes from ignorant and self-centered jerk to the only one person who questions morality of what they are doing (civil war comments, Shilage refugees, supporting Trigger instead of "lets all fly away and let him do it" etc)
@@tysavarin9864 True, but perhaps something else happened for them to be left out. Also, the reason the Typhoon has the 8AGM's is because it's actually listed as the successor to it and I guess that's how PA decided to show it. Hard to believe the Tornado has been in service for almost 50 years.
I was stuck playing mission 9 on Ace last night. Every time I hear Full Band say “life or death matter” and hear Bandog’s response I feel sure of what’s going to happen next.
It's a bit laziness on the devs part. You aren't really meant to be that close to them when the shoot down happens. Count definitely shot Full Band down.
I figured on my first play through that it was a matter of "loose lips sink ships". He was a prisoner after all and he was committing espionage within the Ocean ranks and whistleblowing it to anyone who'd listen, so it only makes sense that he'd be marked as "Public Enemy #1"
Loose lips, Sink ships. They snuffed him before he’d slipup. Honestly I thought he was a cool character, but it adds a bit more depth as to how expendable you are in Spare squadron
Funny. I replayed the mission yesterday when Count kills Full Band and I was thinking if theres some video explaining whether it really was an accident. I actually recall Full Band saying he has intel he shouldn't have but I just didn't care to ponder on the whole thing long enough to put two and two together.
apparently people couldn't spare their attention to dialogs. i've seen tons of post like "hurr im constantly hearing missile missile i cant be bothered with dialogs".
@@briarmason8737 That is actually true, I missed out on many dialogs on my first playthrough due to being so engrossed in the action. It was only after my 2-3 playthrough and numerous single mission sorties that I started to see the finer points unfold. To use a Shrek analogy, the game is like an Onion, its very layered. ^^
He wasn't doing anything. He had a civilian radio in his cockpit, so he could hear what Cosette was doing. He just timed what he was saying with her actions.
We jumped from an AWACS who ruled with an iron fist and mercilessly lets on of their own shoot an ally, to a guy who makes food puns while eating a sandwich when in an operation.
It was a burger! It got out of control!
I like Long caster
Long Caster. The only near sane AWACS in the game. Thats why i favor him. Sure i like Bandog's sarcasm, sure what he did was good so to keep the war into their favor, but shooting down Full Band just to keep secrets from leaking out? Couldve just put him in solitary, goddammit!
What about AWACS Sky Keeper?
SpecialForce_ _117 He was pretty cool too, but Long Caster is my type.
Full band: I think ace Combat assault horizon its the best game of the series!!
Bandog: Full Band whats your location?
Full Band: The tail end.
@@RedBaronAce0207 Understood. Heh.
_Bandog would like to know your location_
You! The Full Band fan!
*SOLITARY, NOW!*
Me: did you hear about Ace Combat?
My stupid friend (Fortnite Player): this franchise sucks.
Me: *Trigger-ed* oh really? 0:22
The best part was Bandog asking Fullband position and the giggle after
Yup that's how you know that killing him was already planned his place was the last piece needed to go ahead and kill him
It also proves bandog did it to be a asshole. And took pleasure in killing him
FullBand: (Chuckles) “I’m in danger”
@@shadowteam9943 imo i think fullband more asshole than bandog since he make fun of champ death.
@@Riko478 Lied about more like.
Count was the closest.
SOLITARY NOW!
Friendly fire, I SAW IT!
Goddammit I told you to keep an eye on the hatchling!
@@NX74205 It must've been a mistake....
@@crashbandicootnerd4321 Count, you can't fly for a while you understand why
“This is the penal unit. I decide when you die”
Simple cause, right, Bandog?
He decided when champ and full band died
If Trigger could talk:
"Oh yeah? Well I decide whether you'll look like an idiot or not in front of your commander! So I'd watch it with the passive-aggressive comments if I were you!"
bluesrike rofl that’s probably what trigger was thinking during those missions where people said he was trash and trash talking and then proves them wrong when trigger fends of Mihalys attack, saying he “Somehow” survived by bandog was a long shot depending on the pilot, me flying the yf-23 didn’t even suffer a scratch from Mihaly, so assuming cannon is taking down mihaly while sustaining light damage is still awesome, because usually Mihaly kills all the targets he comes in contact with (Golem 2, Brownie; Cyclops 1, Wiseman; and an unknown fighter piloting an f-16 that mihaly had trouble with).
Christopher Michael Bandog is your typical IG Commissar.
Robert Johnson I always use the F-14, and I manage to take only a couple of hits from Mihaly
You are wrong. It was an accident. It got out of control.
Bandog never lies. You're going to solitary now.
What's your location?
Bandog did nothing wrong
@@SiFiFreak
The tail end!
444 likes omg!
Manipulated by Belkan Grey Men perhaps since UAVs are part of Belkan Technology? Its like some Belkans can't let go on their past since Belkan War in 1995.
God, that “Full Band, what’s your location” was so damn obvious that he was planning something I’m amazed Full Band answered it.
Probably why he laughed.
Yeah, but his "I think you might be right" is what gave it away.
Right after that he said “heh” which really gives it away
In Fullband's defense, he is in a high stress situation where anyone could be his enemy and his life is really on the line.
Played this over hundred times and just now catching on to the giggle and reason 🤦🏿♂️
My guess is that instead going to heaven, hell or purgatory, Full Band got sent straight to eternal solitary
by Bandog nonetheless.
He went to the v ø î d
Not much better than hell...also, I'm the 666th like LOL
...Full Band got sent to the Backrooms?
From the creators of "Belka Did Nothing Wrong",comes "Bandog did Nothihg Wrong"
Not that is some shit I gotta see! Where can I buy tickets?
I see you Polar!
@@Marklb1 Wha- HOW DID YOU FIND OUT
Neither did anything wrong.
@@lolmeme69_ YES
I liked how, poetically, this bit also leads to Count experiencing an inverse "sin" to that of Trigger, being that he kills a friendly with a fake IFF as an enemy directed to him specifically, whereas Trigger was framed by a UAV faking an IFF to everyone else of being a friendly while shooting Harling, who Trigger was protecting and NOT shooting at. "IFF" may as well mean "Indiscriminate Friendly Fucking" among pilots now, thanks to BELKA!
Lol what makes it even better is how count was actually making fun of trigger for killing Harling
@@rohan6502 and what makes that EVEN better is that during the mission in Gunther Bay while the VIP was explaining Erusea using fake IFF to kill Harling and framing someone else, Count asks Trigger “That’s crazy, can you believe that, Trigger?”
You know what? I played the rescue mission today, and I found out that if you keep the uavs away from the transport long enough, you will eventually hear in the radio about “gargoyle squadron” reporting firing on the transport.
So it’s neither trigger or uav, literally fake gargoyle squadron firing.
I thought harling took the missile so it didn’t hit the space bridge
@@7331warrior I believe that was cover up story for the public.
But I've only played through the game once, so take that with a grain of salt.
You know what would actually be hilarious? Bandog making the player killing Full Band instead and thus living up to our name as an actual friendly fragger this time lol.
I always wondered why Full Band didn't show up as a hostile on *your* radar.
@@stevethebarbarian9876 I think Bandog intentionally set Full Band as hostile only to Count. He was closest so nobody could intervene in time, but also Full Band apparently looks at his radar when he shouts "where is he?" and doesn't seem to realise that *he* is tagged as the enemy. My guess here is that IFF could be set on a unit-by-unit basis, just like you had with the Gunther Bay escort mission.
>player IFF shows Full Band as enemy unit
>player is not scripted NPC
>player chooses not to fire at all even as timer hits 0
>Count asks where the one remaining target is. The console bursts into flames, killing everyone.
@@cyqry
Not only that, Count is (at time of mission) a pathological glory hound that wouldn't hesitate to add another kill to his tally. Rather perfect for this situation, given that IFFs were half useless at the time.
Also factor in that half the squadron (including fullband) were flying F18s like the spoofed drones, it was just asking for a friendly fire incident.
You have no idea how many friendlies I fragged in the later missions
I was always contemplating why Count didn’t recognise Fullband before he fired the missile. But when I thought about the drone craft type it immediately dawned on me: Fullband’s plane was most likely a Hornet as well.
Yes it was you can see it when they do that formation on trigger moment full band on the tail end with a hornet
Yeah, Full band’s plane was F/A-18F super hornet, like the hostile “Osean” fighters. RIP to his co-pilot though since it’s a two seater.
@@danielmiller3781 There's two models of that plane, two and single-seater, I don't know what's on the game, but the plane can be operated by a single person.
@@Inferryu the game only has the double seater for some reason. It's very jarring when you're using it because everyone talks to you as a single pilot but you can clearly see two dudes riding
*AWACS Bandog wants to know your location*
Fucc no!
Tail end
LITERALLY
*toggles airplane mode*
500km leter ... bandog :🍔
Full Band: "Belka did nothing wrong."
Bandog: "Full Band, what's your location?"
Nah, that's Mr. "A World With No Boundaries," sir #NotAllBelkans, a.k.a. Tabloid.
Fullband: "Intel is a life or death matter"
Bandog: "thanks for the idea"
next video will be : "how did Cossette survive from explosion in mission 19"
Answer: She got hit in a non-critical area and she has the power of waifu hotness on her side.
The helmet was made of anime and absorbed the whole impact, that's why it flew off.
Cosette was wearing a special suit known as plot armor
Shockwave knocked off helmet, she then cut her tattered parachute and deployed a reserve parachute.
Belkan Tech
Basically, Full Band obtained intel (about Stonehenge) illegally, started talking about it over unofficial channels, meaning anyone could have listened in, especially the Erusians. Bandog warned him that he should shut up before something happens. FB didn't listen so Bandog had him tagged on the IFF as an enemy and Count accidentally shot him down.
Briar Mason 3 strikes and he's out.
@@chriswho12345 Well put, good sir.
Comms from fighter aircraft to awacs are encrypted
@@zerofire3172 Well the top brass were using criminals as decoys and cannon fodder so I don't think they were gonna encrypt the comms for them. Probably assumed they were gonna die quickly and that one of them wouldn't breach their security.
@@zerofire3172 you forget that the Belkan technology they used can not only spoof IFF systems but access encrypted enemy comms as well, they'd never have the AWACS-to-spare squadron open but it most certainly was easily hackable.
Full Band: In this war, intel is a life or death matter.
Bandog: I think you might be right.
Big oof.
Yeah and it wasn't like just an acknowledgement, he said it in a kind of agressive tone
You don't even need to watch the video to know. The dude basically tells us what he's about to do.
It sounds to me that that was the exact moment he realized Full Band had to die.
@@trackerswide It came across to me as a "*sigh*... Fine, I'm gonna have to kill this guy. Shame." vibe.
That line from Bandog was the only thing to make me suspect he was gonna do something
Bandog was the most rude AWACS I have seen. He was a great character but one that we love to hate. He feels he can do whatever he wants and shows no care for his pilots sending them into the most dangerous situations without even informing them of what could potentially be there. He even tells the pilots to be targets if they can't fight. I understand they are convicts at all but you cant just throw people away like that. I think it was the worst thing to do because like some people said in the comments full band could have interrogated and it might have been found out how he got that information in the first place. By killing him they have still not identified how their intel was compromised and they have killed a pilot that could have been further helpful in the war effort. Bandog had plenty of time to deal with it in a non violent way but choose not to because he wanted to kill full band. He thinks he controls the convicts like they are his dogs. Also I don't know how Osea's justice system works but they basically threw trigger into that convict squad like he was guilty without even conducting an investigation. Its innocent until proven guilty but Bandog and McKinsey did not care about that. I wonder what the situation of the other convict's cases was as well. I was hoping there would be some measure taken against Bandog but nothing happened later. I guess thats the messed up thing is because its during a war and his pilots are prisoners hes going to get away with it.
TheProfessional you have to remember this is a Japanese game and Japanese morality is a bit different then western morality. I mean these are the same people who thought crashing their planes into battleships was a sustainable strategy, who apologize for minor failure by performing seppuku, and would suicide charge marine machine gun nests with no pants on because it was dishonorable to shit themselves when they died.
In some ways I think Thunderhead from 5 was worse. He betrays you after being brainwashed to think you're a traitor. He also demanded you hold your fire even when you're being fired upon in the very first mission of the game.
Also I saw a part of your AC7 streams. Don't use the "Standard" controls. You limit yourself too much with that. I also recommend using the control layout in which you need both buttons to do a high G turn as that gives you a little more control. It will help in multiplayer and against enemy aces.
I didnt knew you love anything besides money grindinh professional
@Justice Clark There are two different button layouts seperate from that. One where you hold both triggers and one where you only hold the brake button for a high G. I think the both one is called "Type A". And the other "Type B". For general flight controls I only use expert (standard in older games) as it allows full range of motion.
*Hartling blows up*
Trigger: it was an accident. It got out of hand
*gets sent to Hell*
*Full Band blows up*
Bandog:It was an accident. It got out of hand.
*gets a medal*
Me: okay game. I'm weak.
Well, one was a former president and the space elevator man while the other one was just in a penal unit (may have spelt that wrong if so than sorry) and knowing how that base works I'm sure the commander didn't care one bit.
One of the big plot holes of AC7 is Trigger as the grand hero of the war not getting Bandog and the penal unit commander killed, jailed or at least fired after the last battle, when his influence was WAY higher than either of them, and even if he personally shot them both on a strafing run, politicians would rather let him get away with it than lose their biggest national icon.
@@Nerthos IIRC, the penal unit commander uses your achievements to prop up his record and gets sent to the frontlines of the war (because the higher ups actually believe his BS and think he'll be a great asset there) after you leave 444 and we can safely assume he didn't last long after that.
We never see or hear anything about Bandog after that though, so anything could've happened to him.
@@godzillercells Spot on, which means IMO they don't get any sort of punishment for their actions.
I mantain that Trigger and Count have way more than enough influence and fame to make them pay.
@@Nerthos how is that plot hole, bozo?
*AS SOMEONE WHOSE CAREER IS IN PHYSICAL / INFORMATION SECURITY,* let me tell you how absolutely *irresponsible* it is to use extrajudicial murder to solve an information security issue.
When an employee at my organization leaks federally protected information (it's happened twice that I know of), we don't fire them right away. We involve police, then let the breacher believe that cooperating with our investigation will let them either A) keep their job and/or B) avoid criminal prosecution. Whether we're telling the truth or not is irrelevant. You can't get blood from a stone, you can't get information from someone without dangling a carrot. And in Full Band's case, you can't interrogate a corpse.
Bandog (and 444, by extension) knew Full Band was snooping long before Faceless Soldier. In fact, it had been three full weeks since Full Band started bragging about his intel skills. If Full Band needed to be isolated for national security purposes, they had plenty of chances to do it the right way... before a "tee hee oopsie" execution outside the chain of command. That's not how summary military executions even work, and I'm sure the base commander would've loved an opportunity to "find a spy" to pad his record.
Bandog is not a judge. He's not military police, not an investigator, not anyone with the authority to order an execution. He's a radar operator. He isn't driven by honor or national duty, but by his god complex.
The proof? "I decide whether you live or die."
Prisoner or not, Full Band didn't deserve to go out that way. Bandog fucked right up, and here's why:
* Who knew what information was compromised? Full Band.
* Who knew what guard Full Band bribed to get access? Full Band.
* Who knew what officer left their password exposed near a terminal full of (potentially) classified information? Full Band.
* Who even knew whether the information accessed was actually classified, and not just personal dossiers or baby pictures? Full Band.
Full Band was a symptom of the problem, not the cause. He didn't create the security breach, he merely exploited weaknesses and took advantage of an existing breach. You can determine and CLOSE THE BREACH by interrogating the person who found and exploited it. I seriously doubt their base would even have top secret access anyway. If I were High Roller, I'd stake money that Full Band had actually dug up some dirt on Bandog. You don't get assigned to bitch work like "bomb magnet at a fake base" and "convict baby sitter" unless you've really screwed the pooch somewhere in your career.
TL;DR: Killing Full Band without interrogating him left his breaches unsecured, meaning they won't be closed, his accomplices won't be discovered, and someone else may come along to exploit them.
That is really good insight.
Full Bands biggest mistake was bragging about it in the air and in missions. Like telling your classmates you got the questions of the test right in front of your teacher and expecting nothing to happen. Full Band's sin was being an attention whore. Band Dog's was God complex.
Is your career tied to military, though?
Full Band's crime was espionage. Which is, in fact, punishable by death.
They are not official military, Fullband was already a crook, and the missions they were sent on were *supposed* to be suicide missions. In a way, they were already sentenced to death.
I get what you're saying though, and in the end Erusean spies were kind of already onto the Oseans, but Full Band was a liability. I could see why he had to be taken care of immediately.
"TL;DR: Killing Full Band without interrogating him left his breaches unsecured, meaning they won't be closed, his accomplices won't be discovered, and someone else may come along to exploit them."
I honestly didnt feel that Bandog, or most of the command staff for the 444, really gave a shit about security breeches. Seeing as the guy in charge was trying to use the successes of Trigger and the other pilots (but mostly Trigger) to make himself look good, and Bandog just be a general asshole with a complex, my bigger question would have been why such sensitive information would actually be available to shmucks running a prison/decoy target.
ahh and aslo belka did nothing wrong, righht??
I wish that all the members of the Spare squadron had survived until the end of the game and became a squadron with Trigger at the front, instead of only Count sticking with you because I loved the interaction and banter between them. You know, a squadron consisting of misfits and criminals saving the world from -HAL9000- Z.O.E would have been rad as hell.
For real I honestly didn't like the fact that they were just there for a few missions and then just brushed off, those few missions felt like a filler episode. Would have loved to see everyone get redemption by saving the world.
Nice 2001 & Ace Combat 2 references!
@@bri12345ification
And that same time some like Champ is just asking to get wrecked from their flaws. Trying to 1v1 an unknown ace is not a good idea.
I found that frustrating too, in other AC games you flew with the same squadron most of the time... In this one you get bounced around so much that you never get the chance to get attached to any of them. But of all of the squadrons you get moved around to Spare squadron had the most likable and relatable characters... It’s the closest you come to forming an attachment to your squad mates... Otherwise the rest of them are pretty forgettable.
@@encryptedwolf7623 its not a reference, the drones you destroyed at the end was actually Z.O.E reborn added with the data from mihaly
This video is wrong. Full Band actually found Bandog's porn collection on his computer and was going to show it to the other pilots. I can see why you thought it was about Stonehenge though.
𝗕𝗮𝗻𝗱𝗼𝗴 𝘄𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱 𝗹𝗶𝗸𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗸𝗻𝗼𝘄 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗹𝗼𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻
Pornhub: You, Solitary *NOW*
Bandog: NO SOLITARY FOR YOU THIS TIME *Tags you as an enemy*
Plot Twist it was Erusean Princess Lewd pics, Doujinshi and some anime hentai shits
@@rouymalic4463 ... *OFFLINE*
*_Because he got “Intel” on BanDog, he was going to divulge it during the RTB!_* (๑╹◡╹)ﾉ"
@asaeampan r/whooosh
@@marcohaullussy3389 r/ihavereddit
asaeampan (´∀｀)
@@bigboi2912 I'm really happy that there's a counter to r/whooosh now.
Fight the good fight my dude
This is one of the reason that makes this game's plot not so bad, because it has a good consistency. Today I was thinking why didn't Roald and Hartmann (I believe that was his name) show up in mission 19, I thought "What if they were killed by Trigger?", but then I realized they lost their planes after being shot down, and after losing their base, there weren't any spare planes for them to use.
I have no real issues with the plot delivered in the missions. All the bad marks come from the cutscenes with Avril, the princess, and that Belkan Dr. Pretty much every scene is still an improvement over AC6, but the ones that follow missions 9,17, and 18 all really bring the game down.
Well the plot delivery in mission 16 is pretty terrible IMO: a total exposition dump from a character introduced and killed right after that... Luckily that mission is pretty good gameplay-wise
This Ace Combat game use the same type of plot as 6 narrated by an person who know nothing about the war he is involved, Ace Combat 4, Ace Combat 5, Ace Combat Zero and Infinity (Infinity is personal) are the stars of the franchise and since Ace Combat X they never used the formula of sucess again (An great history, Characters, villains and etc.) (Ace Combat Northern Wings could be an great game if they used Ace Combat Assault Horizon DFM and changed to Strangereal Universe, Ace Combat Northern Wings could be an great game), But Ace Combat 7 Skies Unknown still a Masterpiece for the franchise.
dat 99% dmg F-35
wishbonesi same here on all planes at ace difficulty.. also on Mig-21
Me: *open Google Chrome* "F-35"
Google: did you mean trash?
william silva yeah that plane is overrated, F-22 is way better in many ways.
william silva talking about Real Life though. F-35 is an economical disaster for the US
@@glared Except it's not.
BandogCam vs. UnregisteredFullBand6
So cool to see that the events actually have this kind of depth even between different mission, if only it weren't so hard to listen/read the dialogue while you're dodging and firing 500 missles at the same time.
I know right, it was a such pain in the ass to immerse yourself in the story while fighting for your life at the same time
That's one thing that really got me while I was playing. The game is trying to have an emotional story and plot development all while I'm dodging 7 missiles and dishing out 10, I can't listen right now baby, I'm almost dead
Full Band is tragically dumb enough to "offer" to show Bandog his finding.
It's bad enough that Full Band got privy to intels that he isn't supposed to know, but *to implicate Bandog in it* ?
Well, his big mouth would be trouble to everyone, not just the 444th.
ACF is right when he said, imagine if because of Full Band big mouth, that Erusea learn about Osea's plan to using Stonehenge to shoot the shield of Arsenal Bird... Then Erusea decide to either defend, or even destroy Stonehenge, and nothing can stop the Arsenal Bird anymore...
And Bandog already warned Full Band about it... when he said two strike...
Maybe Bandog DID join in on the bet
He was arguably implicating the ENTIRE squadron. For all t hey knew, at least one of the Spare pilots was an Erusean spy.
@@RedShocktrooperRST No one in the spare squadron was a spy.
What kind of spy will enter a penal unit where everyone is involved in suicidal misions?
The spy will not live long enough to give the Intel to his allies.
He will be dead in a matter of hours specially in mission 7 where mihaly appears for the very first time and murders everyone
"In war...intel is life or death..."
"Yeah I think you might be right..."
Bandog foreshadowed so much
So in Mission 8, it’s very clear that Full Band knew about the Helios missiles. From the dialogue:
*”Not that I give a rat’s ass.”*
So this clearly means Helios was a weapon that he was fully aware of and was operational.
"Are we the bad guys?"
@@treetheoak8313 the real question is who are the good guys
You know what they say, “loose lips sink ships”
Actually, while Bandog is a total jerk, he is nothing but a loyal Osean officer. He WILL bend the mission objectives if it will further Osea's interests, like when he re-activated Spare's FCS in Mission 5 and authorized Spare to rearm and refuel in Mission 6. In Mission 9, he seems to genuinely care about the wellbeing of the Spares, notably Trigger, Tabloid and Count, as he sounded desperate when the Erusean drones attacked. I agree that Bandog used the ambush as an opportunity to silence a known security leak (Full Band), because he's a loyal officer
Right, using fullband level of hacking can get into this strategic level Intel is slightly less than leave the intel unprotected. If the Eurasian can hack both the arsenal bird. That so call strategic information for them is like a candy in a child's hand. They would've knew it before full band able to brag about it. Moreover, you can't single out one unit as hostile on another specific unit while the rest units are showing it friendly or the other way around. By my understand, IFF doesn't work that way. All the friendly and foe information coming form the command link, which the node is band dog. You can change the "protocol" to let onboard Mode C transponder unable to respond correct. And that is likely how band dog manage to mark those FA18 are hostile.( I am not sure his has the clearance of doing that) He can either identify full band as friend to all other 444 or as hostile to all 444. Moreover, trigger has already bear the name of expresident killer, and most skillful of the bunch. Why does band dog need count to do their dirty work and raise others suspicion? I've replay the mission few times, and still unable to conclude reason beyond doubt the IFF mark full band as hostile is intentional. Moreover, it's pointless to ask full band where. Banddogs radar on the awacs can see it all, unless band dog is able to somehow wipe all the IFF tag in the system and re tag them (which is unauthorized operation that has consequences by itself). Up until now, I still believe it is an accident. Moreover, when 444 becomes a legit unit, the rest of the squadron can file a full investigation on the incident( and I bet my ass they will), and I don't think it will take long to find out if the incident is actually a conspiracy. If the finding is later, band dog can really hope there is top brass stand behind him to prevent his ass get thrown to jail. (Forget about McKenzie, that idiot won't stand behind anybody, and his not at position to do shxt about the investigation.)
@@林振华-t4v I do think that Bandog could have had direct access to the Spares' individual IFF's. Remember, Spare is a penal unit at this time. As their "Warden" in the air, Bandog does have direct access to their FCS, we saw that in Misson 5. It stands to reason that Bandog would also have direct access to their IFF's as well. Also, keep in mind that the Spares' aircraft are rebuilt scrap. They probably don't have the latest IFF's.
As for having Count make the kill, he would most likely be the one to do it without question. Despite being convicted, Trigger seems to still act like a military pilot. A hotdog, but a loyal Osean pilot all the same. And after his conviction, he'd likely not shoot at an unknown target without confirmation. Count, on the other hand, had always been obsessed with his kill count. He would take the easy kill without question, which is exactly what Bandog would have been counting on.
@@awacsbandog8438 *pulls out uno reverse card* how about YOU go to solitary
I thought that what Full Band discovered was the Tyler Island mission and that it was a suicide mission. My thinking was that if Full Band told the others, they might revolt so Bandog killed him. However, your theory makes way more sense.
I was replaying Mission 9, saving money up for a F 22, when I noticed the Dialogues again (Since Replaying mission 6) it hit me, Band Dog fucking giggled after Full Band gave his Position.
P.S.
I also tried to save Brownie when I noticed her on the Corner of my Map wondering if it that blip was a secret or something
At first I thought it was an accident, then on the Ace replay I started paying more attention to the dialog and realized that wasn't no accident at all... Still, AWACS Bandog is still my favorite AWACS from this game, really liked that "Dumbass" in the end ^_^
Gishathosaurus He may have been an asshole, but he wasn’t a constant asshole. He actually half-assedly congratulates Trigger multiple times because you get work done.
@@TheHazelnoot give me Bandog over Mckenzie anyday
I think it works better for the story if it was an accident, with Bandog having begun to respect Spare and "I decide when you die" makes for a badass line in that context, in that he wouldn't allow them to die to some hornets with spoofed IFFs.
Btw in the Japanese voice over, you can feel more Bandog's intention to kill Full Band
...Well, that's just a bad idea. You don't want your target to know you want them dead... Sounds like the VA overplayed his part.
@@MrJinglejanglejingle well, in this case, if full band took bandog's threats seriously, he would've shut his mouth and stop spillin secrets on comms and he wouldn't have died.
They're supposed to be allies. He should've gotten the hint that he was fucking up when bandog started threatening him with death.
Well obviously he wanted him back in SOLITARY!!
Full Band: I found someone's browser history....
Bandog: "Tags Full Band as hostile"
Jk lol XD
Full band: I think ace combat 7 will never be the best game
Bandog: full band. What's your location?
I think Bandog was a megalomaniac who began to feel like he was a Good figure or something. Even in the mission '444' he tells McKinsey to STFU and overrides his orders.
Killing Full Band solely on grounds of OPSEC is a gross overstepping of his authority, as well as potentially fatal mistake, as he doesn't know how Full Band got the data, where, when, or how it was breached, or who he could have already told. But if you have a Good complex over these criminal subhumans, well I suppose you sweat the small stuff later.
To be fair mckinsey wouldve gotten everyone killed
What’s funny is that while I had no issue with Full Band talking in the game, every time he mentioned some sort of intel, I hated him more for it. So when he died, I was glad he was permanently chat banned.
Bandog: Trigger, was it count?
Trigger: (no response)
I was laughing at that thumbnail for 10 minutes before I even clicked on the video. Thank you based God ACF.
He’s in that small, enclosed Solitary in the sky now XD
I also like the clever trick to use Count to do it, because he knew that was the only one who wouldn't question, just go make the kill. Trigger or Tabloid might be perceptive enough to figure it out. The only part I don't like is it was a bit too convenient that the Erusians happened to pick that moment to deploy their fake Rhinos and everyone except Trigger, Tabloid, Count and the late Champ flew that type. It does present the interesting question as to what Bandog was planning to do if they hadn't shown up, since by that point, he was clearly thinking of something, the UAVs just happened to be about as perfect as finding out Full Band liked to play Russian Roulette (or is that Yuktobanian Roulette?)
If trigger is controlled by me; absolutely not. If it isn't blue, in the hud, it goes boom. Lol Trigger would be the last to notice in that case.
@@mitchellbarton7915 lmao same. My Trigger was too busy 10 seconds before Full Band's assassination launching missiles away like they're free, one more wouldn't have made me question anything
@@Axl4325 full band *exists*
Trigger and count: Haha missile go brrr
"Bandog did nothing wrong"
Just like the Belkans, am I right?!
Yep
@@awacsbandog658 I have intel that shows you DID do something wrong.
7 nukes: tis but a scratch
Why would one support a Ociean Officer?
Ace combat fan, you traitor to the Blekan cause, I'll smite you here and now if I had the ability.
Holy cow that's crazy! I also played it 2 times but I thought it was an accident. Thank you for explaining this.
“Intel is a life or death matter”
“I think you might be right.”
Ouch.
PJ: I will take flowers to her
Pixy: PJ What is you location?
*PJ got hit by TLS and blew up*
PJ: At Chiper 3 o'clock!
Pixy: Understood *laught*
PJ: Ahhhh... Dammit!
*PJ gets hit by a laser*
PJ: *OFFLINE*
@@ThreeStrikes015WW KKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
i wonder what happend to chipper in thise new ace combat
"Why did Trigger kill President Harling?"
Raphael M-L He didn’t... The Erusians did with fake IFF on drones which is a tech taken from Belkans.
Personaly I was kicking it in to "firing heat-seek missile near friendly*. Reason for it is, heat-seek missiles are looking for heat source and they CANT tell diffrence between friend or foe. So firing at drone that was VERY close to friendly chopper may couse the missile to aim towerds Harling chopper after very quick turn pulled from enemy drone.
@@glared almost positive it was a joke.
Georg did it, along with other people that planned the assasination
@@glared Belka did nothing wrong!
“That’s your second strike, there won’t be a third.”
I guess he wasn’t lying.
I guess there really wasn’t Three Strikes.
Count : BANDOG YOU BASTARD! YOU TRICKED ME INTO KILLING FULLBAND!
Me: Who?
*Feeling of being watched by a group of Bandogs intensifies*
"...It was an accident. It got out of control." - AWACKS Bandoge
B a n d o g e
cause solitary had become too much of a meme to be taken seriously
Full Band: lmao I found some intel, nice
* Bandog wants to know your location *
We all be laughing till Bandog marks you as an enemy
at 3:15 do you hear a little laugh at the end when bandog asks full band for his location, pretty sure he locked him as a target at that point.
3:11 not 3:15
I see you like the MiG 31. Good taste.
I would've preferred if we stuck with spare squadron until the end. They could've make Bandog/McKinsey corrupted in some ways, then Full Band could have been snooping around for evidence on them but then get "silenced" by Bandog as he did in the game. However someone else could have found the evidence left behind by full band, for example Avril who could have used them to get bandog and McKinsey (maybe using her "connection"). After that, spare squadron gets reformed in strider squadron led by trigger and paired up with cyclops and go on the same as the game.
Or maybe keep Wiseman as he was a cool character. I would have made it to be that Wiseman lost his team while fighting Mihaly, so Strider squadron gets formed by Wiseman and the Spares, and when he dies Trigger becomes Strider-1
I loved this game. It was awesome.
Mix of simulation and arcade was balanced well in my opinion.
And its really interesting to see the 'story' being taken seriously by everyone here.
*Bandog wants to know your location*
I just knew that Full Band got killed because of he talk too much and tried to get access to some secret, but I did not know the content of what he knew (or about to knew) yet.
This clip help a lot thanks man.
Looks like even solitary confinement wasn't enough to keep Full Band's mouth silent. LOL!
Next :
Was Mother Goose One hacked and jammed?
How did the OGDF sneak in McOnie's team into the Hatties? It's not like they were disguised or something, and they would probably be intercepted by 99s and 101s by then.
How did Cosette survive that missile blast?
Who was that independent special security squadron mentioned in Homeward?
Full timeline of the satellite catastrophe
Why did AWACS Argus kill Labarthe?
What does the Zone Of Endless AI have to do with the superdrones?
Ultimately :
Full content of AAW 2019
Man, this is just like Avengers Endgame: lots of questions that may/not be answered until a later release (in this case, the story dlcs).
Bamco uses "X wants to know your location" meme very well
Bring back Brownie!!! Its annoying when you can catch up to Mr X and actually land hits on the dude before it happens.
"They're inspecting the ruins." Mans over here getting blasted for leaking the stonehenge op.
0:38
Jesse Pinkman: ''You did that on purpose, bitch!''
Walter White: ''Did what?''
Jesse: ''Don't play dumb! Full ricin!''
Walter: ''It was an accident. It got out of control.''
Full band knew the secret way to escape SOLITARY! Right-O!!!
One of the few channels that are underrated on YT well done
Fullband get some password that lead to Bandog's personal videos on his computer
Full Band got intel on Bandogs search history.
I don't think you're quite right on that. There aren't any enemies around to listen to an open channel and even if Full Band decided to talk about future plans during RTB, they could simply silence communications.
It feels like Bandog's decision was almost entirely fueled by animosity towards Full Band's attitude and disrespect. Full Band clearly was going off the leash for a while already getting info on things he wasn't supposed to know, but there could be other means to silence him, maybe even simply keep him locked up in solitary. I think Bandog simply used the situation as an opportunity for a personal revenge on Full Band, you can even notice that he kinda chuckles when he says "I think you might be right" because he, Bandog, can mark planes as friendly or enemies, so he literally decides when they die as he claims to be able to multiple times, so yeah intel really is a life-or-death matter. Especially when the whole game's theme is information and the chaos that follows when there's no information, communication, intel as we see by people on the same side attacking each other, rebellions breaking out and overall lack of understanding about what is going on. We see that message even from the early missions when Mage and Golem squadrons are confused by their allies' actions and Mage 1 mentions that they aren't coordinating people "as usual", because no one had any idea Gargoyle squadron was trying to destroy the elevator.
“There aren’t any enemies around to listen to an open channel”, that’s not how classified info works... it doesn’t matter if you’re broadcasting it..
Also. Only Count had him tagged as an enemy. Bandog knew this. Tabloid realised it as well. We had full band tagged as ally. Very likely tabloid did as well. Bandog calls on count specifically to get the last "bandit". He picked count becuase he was the second best pilot on the team. And maybe presumed our godlike ability would cause us to recognise fullbands plane. And tabloid might jave taken too long until there is a halt. The moment bandog calls on count, full band asks where the bandit is since on his HUD, like ln everyones except counts it would have appeared as clear. Quite a nice little touch
Coming off Ace Combat 04, I still didn't feel comfortable defending Stonehenge...
The fun thing is that stonehenge has some scars that mobuis 1 did at the center of stonehenge
I mean tbf Full band could've gotten the penal squadron in even deeper shit if he leaked that classified intel, so Bandog killing him might've been to protect the others
I'd pieced together most of this, but hadn't spotted that the LRSSG's return point was explicitly from Stonehenge in the briefing!
It's also worth noting that Bandog actually has a reasonably good excuse since Full Band flies the same plane as the 'friendly' drone squadron. Not something anyone in Spare would accept given they were there and saw what happened, but easy enough to satisfy McKinzie if he asks (assuming he even would; what's one more dead convict?) Definitely worth remembering though, since it basically removes all guilt from Count; he'd only have been able to visually ID Full Band if he was close enough to see the strike on his tail; not helped by the fact that Full Band flying a twin tailed aircraft means you wouldn't be able to see the strikes from a pursuing position. And why did Bandog pick Count? Well, he's the last remaining hothead who'd relish the chance to score the last kill and one-up Trigger for once. That kind of excitement would help negate any chance of him stopping to visually ID his target (and let's face it, it's not like Trigger does regardless of who's playing him).
It's heinous, but IMO Bandog gave Full Band plenty of warnings and invitations to shut his mouth. Full band could've easily survived if he was a little more aware of what he's being told directly without needing to steal passwords to find it himself. And given that such snooping and leaking secrets is the same thing that got him stuck in Spare in the first place, he evidently wasn;t going to learn his lesson.
When you decide the P3 Male Route Magician Social Link isn’t worth completing:
Another thing to note is how Bandog says, “It was an accident. It got out of control” that’s not that voice of someone who is happy with how everything turned out...
His chuckle also seemed like a mix of guilt and nervousness
I have this theory that bandog was actually forced to kill full band by mckinsey orders. This would explain why later on he would show discontent at him (in case mckinsey is shoot down you get 8k points, an commentary of bandog saying the cargo didnt worth anything and a mission failed).
It's surprised me that Count didn't notice a strike on Full Band's plane before he shot him.
Count at that time was self-centered jerk who jumped at every "easy" opportunity to prove that he is better than everyone else especially Trigger. So obviously when easy frag arrived he was first to jump on it without questions. Its actually quite interesting to observe changes in his character after this and during later missions where he changes from ignorant and self-centered jerk to the only one person who questions morality of what they are doing (civil war comments, Shilage refugees, supporting Trigger instead of "lets all fly away and let him do it" etc)
SOLITARY NOW!! DONT DARE TALK BACK SOLITARY NOW
On a totally different note, the reason there's no Tornado planes in AC7 is because they're being discontinued this month (March 2019).
WorldsWithin I’m sad about both them not being in ac7 and their retirement :(
I mean Ace combat still uses F-14s and Harriers, and other retired planes
@@tysavarin9864 True, but perhaps something else happened for them to be left out. Also, the reason the Typhoon has the 8AGM's is because it's actually listed as the successor to it and I guess that's how PA decided to show it. Hard to believe the Tornado has been in service for almost 50 years.
@@MrPeanut624 I wish the tornado was in, its as much of a staple of ace combat as the obligatory tunnel run
They put cold war era planes in the game. Joint Assault even had WW2 planes.
I was stuck playing mission 9 on Ace last night. Every time I hear Full Band say “life or death matter” and hear Bandog’s response I feel sure of what’s going to happen next.
Its a shame that fullband had to die because in this mission spare squadron and bandog worked together so well when taking down the UAVs
I wanted to honestly blow bandog up
Full band: the Strangereal Julian Assange. I didn't ever put two and two together like that until now.
Did the penal unit have self-destruct charges in their planes? Nobody shot Full Band as far as I could tell.
It's a bit laziness on the devs part. You aren't really meant to be that close to them when the shoot down happens. Count definitely shot Full Band down.
It looked like count shot a missile
Credit where it’s due, Bandog bailed out Spare Squadron when he could have left them all to die and gotten reassigned elsewhere.
I figured on my first play through that it was a matter of "loose lips sink ships". He was a prisoner after all and he was committing espionage within the Ocean ranks and whistleblowing it to anyone who'd listen, so it only makes sense that he'd be marked as "Public Enemy #1"
"I can't believe this plane still holding up" ... *Ding!*
Loose lips, Sink ships. They snuffed him before he’d slipup. Honestly I thought he was a cool character, but it adds a bit more depth as to how expendable you are in Spare squadron
When AWACS asking your location, you might be in danger
Better question, why doesnt everyone already know why?
Cause some are too busy with the action to pay attention to the dialogue
Funny. I replayed the mission yesterday when Count kills Full Band and I was thinking if theres some video explaining whether it really was an accident. I actually recall Full Band saying he has intel he shouldn't have but I just didn't care to ponder on the whole thing long enough to put two and two together.
apparently people couldn't spare their attention to dialogs. i've seen tons of post like "hurr im constantly hearing missile missile i cant be bothered with dialogs".
@@briarmason8737 That is actually true, I missed out on many dialogs on my first playthrough due to being so engrossed in the action.
It was only after my 2-3 playthrough and numerous single mission sorties that I started to see the finer points unfold.
To use a Shrek analogy, the game is like an Onion, its very layered. ^^
Let's not forget that we hear later in the game, that the 444 Squadron defected from Osea and joined the Eruseans.
#BanddogDidNothingWrong!
4:08 Did I read "Expo City" there? ^^
Yep, the same Expo City from Ace Combat 3.
Fun fact in ace combat 04 mission 12 is where you raid Stonehenge
Can you also explain what Count was doing in Mission 19 while he said he "scam" Arsenal Bird?
He wasn't doing anything. He had a civilian radio in his cockpit, so he could hear what Cosette was doing. He just timed what he was saying with her actions.