@dave24ie No kind of therapy works for everyone! That's one of the reasons that there are so many kinds of therapy. There are also many variables that affect outcomes.
Management and control of stress and anxieties is NOT to be confused with Gaining access to underlying feelings and traumas. There is no such thing as distortive thought process. There are fragmented and disassociated feelings BUT they are attached to REAL experiences; however, symbolically represented. To gain access to their underlying realities to which they are attached to (i.e. childhood traumas, etc.), implies specifically, not dispelling but connecting to the past...free association..
@@Lovelulovelovi Free association is the opening and basis of everything beneath the surface, otherwise to put it simply here, you are not ever gaining access to unconscious or repressed and difficult feelings, emotions and experiences (e.g., trauma beneath the surface). You are actually further exacerbating the repression and lack of access to what otherwise would present (however, challenging) more vulnerable, naked and frightening feelings, emotions and experiences - as long as you are using CBT techniques to “manage the surface” as it were. Hence, never gaining an access towards psychic integration at a deeper level.
@MegaPsychgirl Yes, CBT has been shown to be the most empirically supported treatment for a wide number of issues. BUT, that judgment of a therapy relies solely on the current state of our research methodology for outcome studies. Here's a thought, maybe there are things that we cannot yet accurately measure. Maybe you should go back to school and learn a bit about the limitations of empirically supported treatments...
This is why CBT is extraordinarily destructive! It says, as madam says, "you don't have to stay with your thought, anxieties, stressors, you can figure out what they are and change them." What she doesn't tell you: The process of gaining access to what you are feeling, why your are feeling what you are feeling, re-occurrence, or relapses therein, is precisely because you are not gaining access to the Language of your feelings and integrating them in terms of past actual events (childhood, etc)
From personal experience, I have found psychoanalytical psychotherapy more destructive. I think in general CBT is far more effective and there are less negative side effects.
@@Neilgs You can end up living in the past. I had a rough childhood. My dad domestically abused my mother to the point that she almost drove into a tree to kill herself. My step-dad was manipulative and homophobic which made it hard for me being gay. I've gone in circles talking about those things. I felt I always tried to use the past as an excuse for the present. however, when I started living more in the present and applying CBT principles, that's when my life improved. My point is that both approaches are valid and useful. It just depends on the situation. I wouldn't say CBT is destructive but I also wouldn't say a psychoanalytical approach is destructive generally. Yes, it wasn't great for me but I'm just one person.
@@XXXmolseyXXX Yes, however, when you say (or many do say quite similarly), "I felt I always tried to use the past as an excuse for the present..." that points to an unspeakable excruciatingly hypervigilant voiceless and painful past which is extraordinarily difficult (not cognitively but emotionally) to access because the memories and associations and the voice from those associations lived are part of what we call implicit-procedural memory (for example, an autonomic nervous system, that beneath the conscious surface if you will, is always or often in a state of adaptive sympathetic defensive fight/flight behaviors or parasympathetic withdrawal/shutdown or dissociation. CBT and DBT can be useful bandaids BUT the unaccessed complex trauma driven experience/feelings beneath the surface - on a limbic-autonomic level are never resolved. Hence, in the long run they are not somewhat but extraordinarily destructive as the therapist and his/her use of CBT specifically does not (and does not know how to) allow those wounds and the voices/experience associated with complex trauma to "safely" and experientially (not cognitively as in "managing") come to the surface out of repression.
@@Neilgs I disagree with your assessment. As I say, I've found CBT and more present-focused approaches to be useful for me personally. And I think CBT has the best empirical basis supporting its usefulness in general. You're making a claim which I think is unsubstantiated. It also sounds quite arrogant. One issue with psychological theorists is the infighting and defensiveness over their own theoretical orientation.
1:30 "One of the first things we have to do is BLAH! One of the first things you should do is check omega6-3 ratio, check diet for excitotoxins and inflammatory foods if you really want to help your patient. Oh ya you want your patient to come back for 3 thirty minute sessions for $250. Oh ya forget about diet. Keep focusing on those distortions in there thinking that will guarantee them coming back! Tell them to keep eating lots of sugar to keep them awake during your session.
What rubbish are you on about? Talking therapy like CBT enables the client to self-help. You are literally giving them the tools and insight so that the therapist is not needed. Compared to psychoanalytical psychotherapy, it is less lengthy and more cost-effective. Obviously, a good diet and exercise is vital. However, this is normally something that is encouraged as well. Also, CBT is free in the UK through the NHS. It should be free in the USA. You're also being very specific about diet, however, we all know that nutrition is a minefield with lots of conflicting arguments. Also, you'd need to see a nutritionist for expert advice.
Cbt is pushed by politicians and self serving 'therapists' because its cheap and no-one has to measure long term outcomes. Fact is meditating is cheaper and is being shown to be effective. Doctors push drugs for drug companys who tell politicians what to do. The public pays the bills and takes the side effects. Here's the truth. Meddled with hospital births, bad parenting, advanced capitalism and the nature of our minds cause mental health problems and discontentment. Anybody care enough to say
The Beck's are so amazing.
The "Beck Diet Solution" book is well worth reading, as she gives all the guidelines for CT and dieting.
Although that is true to some extend I 'd rather say not every therapist is helpful to every client.
i bet all of these views are from psych 1200 students lol
@ me tbh
6 years later and it's still true
And Social Work students lol
Islamic Psychology 101 from IOU here
shhh... 🤭
@dave24ie
No kind of therapy works for everyone! That's one of the reasons that there are so many kinds of therapy. There are also many variables that affect outcomes.
Management and control of stress and anxieties is NOT to be confused with Gaining access to underlying feelings and traumas. There is no such thing as distortive thought process. There are fragmented and disassociated feelings BUT they are attached to REAL experiences; however, symbolically represented. To gain access to their underlying realities to which they are attached to (i.e. childhood traumas, etc.), implies specifically, not dispelling but connecting to the past...free association..
Not true
Free association doesn't work that much
@@Lovelulovelovi Well, now, quite the profound response! Oh please do elaborate.
@@Neilgs research after all these years concluded that CBT is the most effective treatment for mental disorders
@@Lovelulovelovi Free association is the opening and basis of everything beneath the surface, otherwise to put it simply here, you are not ever gaining access to unconscious or repressed and difficult feelings, emotions and experiences (e.g., trauma beneath the surface). You are actually further exacerbating the repression and lack of access to what otherwise would present (however, challenging) more vulnerable, naked and frightening feelings, emotions and experiences - as long as you are using CBT techniques to “manage the surface” as it were. Hence, never gaining an access towards psychic integration at a deeper level.
@MegaPsychgirl Yes, CBT has been shown to be the most empirically supported treatment for a wide number of issues. BUT, that judgment of a therapy relies solely on the current state of our research methodology for outcome studies. Here's a thought, maybe there are things that we cannot yet accurately measure. Maybe you should go back to school and learn a bit about the limitations of empirically supported treatments...
Geez....who could find anything to complain about Dr. Beck's presentation?
I guess only those who need to flaunt and feel bigger than.
This was wonderful! Where is this Dr. from?
@SabretoothSnowMan
like what? what have you "found out" about it?
Lebow or Bust
This is why CBT is extraordinarily destructive! It says, as madam says, "you don't have to stay with your thought, anxieties, stressors, you can figure out what they are and change them." What she doesn't tell you: The process of gaining access to what you are feeling, why your are feeling what you are feeling, re-occurrence, or relapses therein, is precisely because you are not gaining access to the Language of your feelings and integrating them in terms of past actual events (childhood, etc)
From personal experience, I have found psychoanalytical psychotherapy more destructive. I think in general CBT is far more effective and there are less negative side effects.
@@XXXmolseyXXX Ok, what do you mean? Do you care to elaborate? I
@@Neilgs You can end up living in the past. I had a rough childhood. My dad domestically abused my mother to the point that she almost drove into a tree to kill herself. My step-dad was manipulative and homophobic which made it hard for me being gay. I've gone in circles talking about those things. I felt I always tried to use the past as an excuse for the present. however, when I started living more in the present and applying CBT principles, that's when my life improved.
My point is that both approaches are valid and useful. It just depends on the situation. I wouldn't say CBT is destructive but I also wouldn't say a psychoanalytical approach is destructive generally. Yes, it wasn't great for me but I'm just one person.
@@XXXmolseyXXX Yes, however, when you say (or many do say quite similarly), "I felt I always tried to use the past as an excuse for the present..." that points to an unspeakable excruciatingly hypervigilant voiceless and painful past which is extraordinarily difficult (not cognitively but emotionally) to access because the memories and associations and the voice from those associations lived are part of what we call implicit-procedural memory (for example, an autonomic nervous system, that beneath the conscious surface if you will, is always or often in a state of adaptive sympathetic defensive fight/flight behaviors or parasympathetic withdrawal/shutdown or dissociation.
CBT and DBT can be useful bandaids BUT the unaccessed complex trauma driven experience/feelings beneath the surface - on a limbic-autonomic level are never resolved. Hence, in the long run they are not somewhat but extraordinarily destructive as the therapist and his/her use of CBT specifically does not (and does not know how to) allow those wounds and the voices/experience associated with complex trauma to "safely" and experientially (not cognitively as in "managing") come to the surface out of repression.
@@Neilgs I disagree with your assessment. As I say, I've found CBT and more present-focused approaches to be useful for me personally. And I think CBT has the best empirical basis supporting its usefulness in general. You're making a claim which I think is unsubstantiated. It also sounds quite arrogant. One issue with psychological theorists is the infighting and defensiveness over their own theoretical orientation.
likes on your comment too. :D
1:30 "One of the first things we have to do is BLAH!
One of the first things you should do is check omega6-3 ratio, check diet for excitotoxins and inflammatory foods if you really want to help your patient. Oh ya you want your patient to come back for 3 thirty minute sessions for $250. Oh ya forget about diet. Keep focusing on those distortions in there thinking that will guarantee them coming back! Tell them to keep eating lots of sugar to keep them awake during your session.
What rubbish are you on about? Talking therapy like CBT enables the client to self-help. You are literally giving them the tools and insight so that the therapist is not needed. Compared to psychoanalytical psychotherapy, it is less lengthy and more cost-effective. Obviously, a good diet and exercise is vital. However, this is normally something that is encouraged as well. Also, CBT is free in the UK through the NHS. It should be free in the USA. You're also being very specific about diet, however, we all know that nutrition is a minefield with lots of conflicting arguments. Also, you'd need to see a nutritionist for expert advice.
@annomynouse say again?
Cbt is pushed by politicians and self serving 'therapists' because its cheap and no-one has to measure long term outcomes. Fact is meditating is cheaper and is being shown to be effective. Doctors push drugs for drug companys who tell politicians what to do. The public pays the bills and takes the side effects. Here's the truth. Meddled with hospital births, bad parenting, advanced capitalism and the nature of our minds cause mental health problems and discontentment. Anybody care enough to say
CBT is pushed because it is backed by scientific evidence. Meditation can be incorporated into CBT, especially mindfulness CBT.
are you okay?
Cognitive therapy dosn't work for everyone!