George RR Martin on Vampires, Throws Shade at Twilight
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- George RR Martin Throws Shade at Twilight, talks about Vampires
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A song of ice and fire/Game of Thrones author george rr martin
Audience: “what do you think about vampires.”
George RR Martin: “Science fiction is in decline because our generation has lost hope for the future.”
This is why I love listening to his interviewers lol
Thus nailing this AND each and every subsequent question...
He makes even mediocre questions interesting. What a fine interviewee.
Lmao
Audience: "What do you think about vampires?"
George: "Let me tell you about ancient Greece"
There's two different types of authors...
isn't that one of the places where some of the myths that created vampires comes from? So its a good thing to bring up.
Let me tell you about a version of Ancient Greece that never existed lol
Yeah there are basically vampires in the Odyssey.
Twilight throws shade at itself.
Yeah, Twilight throws fifty shades of grey...
Twilight is better than Game of Thrones in some ways, and not as good in others.
Question: Has anyone here aside from me actually bothered to read Twilight to see how good or bad it is?
@WarriorofLight
I’ve read Twilight. It was really good when I was like 10 😂
Don’t ever come for GoT hon. Check your lipstick b4 u come for anyone actually consider the fact that u think Twilight is better than GoT
@@warrioroflight6872 "Game of Thrones" is the show. The book series is called ASOIAF
@@warrioroflight6872 In basically every way, Asoiaf puts it to shame.
Seeing George R. R. Martin holding a fan is cute. I never thought I would see such a thing.
Also, _Twilight_ will need one hell of a skin graft to treat that burn.
So, you like fucking older men? ;)
@@PwnZombie I have no idea what prompted you to say that, but no I don't. 🙄
smh i thought you meant fan as in some little cute baby. i was anticipating that throughout the video. LOL.
Its a shame that twilight series was never finished. Even worse, the author greenlit the TV series that ruined the whole story. Oh wait.. That was George. Smh n lol 😂💯😂💯
@@Chu9947 LOL! 😂
The fact that a discussion about vampires landed solidly on how the rich and powerful feed on the rest of us was quite perfect.
What is better ? to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort ?
Paarthurnax skyrim
Easily the best written npc in that game. None of the others stand out even remotely. Maybe some of the dlc characters.
The one decent quote out of the entire game.
Ironically every other character in the game has terrible writing.
@@DualAnalogReviews Yeah he was the only character with decent writing, the writing in the game is terrible overall.
Shits on any Grrm book quote in his 70 years .. he's a fraud
The Red Wedding is still a better love story then Twilight
The Lannister incestuous charade is definitely a better love story.
@@Abaddonian Charade?? I don't think they were pretending.
Than*
No, there is no way that the romance in Twilight could possibly be as bad as the Red Wedding.
I read the Twilight books, and as irritating as the romance scenes often were, at least they didn't leave me feeling depressed like much of George R.R. Martin's material does.
Overall, Game of Thrones is way cooler than Twilight, but that doesn't mean that it is better in every single aspect.
@@warrioroflight6872 I think I found the bot who cannot detect sarcasm.
His description of the ideal vampire matches pretty well with the vampire Regis from The Witcher novels.
Yes, I was just thinking this too. Also in The Witcher 3 Blood and Wine DLC, you can stumble across some books that detail the "agricultural practices" vampires engage in. It's such a great way to highlight how Regis aspired to be above his race's nature.
The vampires in his book were... Vicious. Damon Julian is a monster that honestly, while one dimensional, is indeed terrifying. He doesn't have much in the way of personality, which oddly fits him and especially his backstory.
My ideal vampires are the ones that don't deviate from classic lore, like Bram Stoker's Dracula.
@@sophiemoconnell I love him in the game. And his timid buddy.
I like how it’s not really even necessary to ask GRRM mores than one question. It’s interesting just to see where he goes with his answer. Often expanding through other examples and ties it all together.
Cause he's a bullshit artist. Actual talented writers and artists know the CON ARTIST WHEN WE SEE THEM
😑😑😑 George hack Martin has proven himself to be one of them!
He talks shit ,you've obviously never met a Narcissist,let alone an Sjw Narcissist fat fuck who weasled his way out of the Vietnam war and acts like he's a scholar on history,he has no family,no experience with women (and has a pedo streak which made me skip over entire chapters due to the cringe factors ...)
He only throws in the global warming stuff cause the white walkers suddenly seem more important,30 years after his own ideas (which btw , the whights had little story impact, but HBO only hooked the audience off this visual,the directing and acting and costume Production, not Grrm fantasy Novels that went NOWHERE ... 🤨😓😒😡😠🤮
If you pay attention to the edits, you will see that he was asked 3 different questions.
@@doxasophosmoros The United States was objectively the bad guy in the Vietnam War, and it's good that they lost.
Also, everyone who dodged the draft should be praised for doing it.
kaboom Im meeting you, you a narcissist. At the end of the day Con Artist or not he’s success. What do you do other than tear down people who have accomplished more than you?
From my point of view the Jedi are evil.
*from a certain point of view
Then you are lost
@Hugo Liedbergius KOTOR 2 explores this somewhat, I think the idea is that the concept of the light and dark side is not as straightforwardly black and white as shown in the movies - there may be aspects to the dark side that are useful etc.
Would hope OP shares his view
Well then you are lost
"If people let the vampires rule, then, I gotta warn you: Winter is coming" - GRRM 2019
so what you're saying is, the white walkers are vampires?
You need sleep and an ego enima.
kaboom what a pitiful display you’ve shown us. Demean that person, if it makes you feel better. It just lets the rest of us know that you are incorrigibly ignorant and arrogant. you can hardly form coherent sentences! you think he is a parasite to the planet that birthed us, yet it is you and I who are the parasites, leeching the planets resources with our cars and our phones, our air conditioning and our food. Humanity IS a parasite on the host of Mother Earth. you are above no one, leech.
Simpson Yeah they pretty much are. Apparently the originally plan was they’re weak to sunlight and only come out at night, they’re beautiful looking and wear crystal armour, have strength superior to humans and like the show can raise the dead and transform people into them.
@@simpson6700 I would advise you to read Fevre dream to fully understand what he meant, if you haven't already
UA-cam Recommended Page: "George RR Martin on Vampires..."
Me: You had my curiosity...
UA-cam Recommended Page: "...Throws Shade at Twilight"
Me: ...Now you have my attention.
Same😂
Yawn. Come up with something new.
Is this a django unchained reference?
I love George RR Martin, he has a great combination of an interesting writing style, a wide breadth of experience to draw from, and a sense of moral conviction he's not afraid to demonstrate. That combination makes every book I've read of his worthwhile.
Fevre Dream was an amazing novel; couldn't put it down.
Read Fevre Dream, y’all. It’s great
I read it. Yes it is.
I really need to read some of his other works I've read asoiaf 8 times listening to my 9th on audible lol I'm in a rut
@@manofhonor1685 if you do i also recommend reading his really great Sci-fi novel "Dying of the Light"
I'll, I love anything with vampires except twilight
I just finished it today and just want to add on this. It's an AMAZING book. Martin is a genius.
The vampire dilemma with one being a predator vs the other being moral and fighting the urge, sounds a lot like Ann Rice's Interview with the vampire...
His single answer covered over 20 different topics 😂😂😂
If you pay attention to the edits, he was asked 3 different questions.
I don’t believe in a vampire falling for a high school girl.
Buffy: Hold my beer.
i know you're just making a joke, but twilight is complete dogshit compared to buffy lol, and that's acknowledging buffy isn't some masterpiece, either.
You go, George. Great reference at the end without being cliche'.
Man i love this guy. Could listen to Martin all day.
Science fiction does tend to trend up when optimism is high.
That's true, on the other hand there is some really depressing Science Fiction too.
I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream might be the most depressing thing ever written.
Giles Habibula The ending was optimistic in a way though.
I wonder what would he think of Tokyo Ghoul being forced into vampirism and has to live with this moral struggle.
I think daybreakers did a great twist on the whole vampire idea
Fevre dream was amazing! Abner Marsh is one of my favourite characters of all time.
The Diva fan makes him so adorable.
I feel like none of you guys actually watched the video to its conclusion and only focus on the vampire mention in the first two minutes, pity
I thought the same thing too. His comments are so on point especially given the current sociological climate...
@@sophiemoconnell I feel like it is also another instance of where a big part of his audience/ fandom doesn't really understand the underlying messages and denies anything that could be related to equality (countering both racism and misogny/ misandry, raising awareness for climate change and criticizing class divide, certain political systems, capitalism etc.)
@@yanshero42 Absolutely, I couldn't agree more!
Maybe people just don't have anything to add to what he said about the rest
@@PhyreI3ird People don't acknowledge anything except the minor little part in the beginning about Twilight, it's even funny that you call it "the rest" and honestly, do you really think they would have nothing to add about it?
If I scan through the comment section, the Twilight jokes also all appear the same and don't add anything to what he has said either, but that hasn't stopped anyone from commenting.
I have a few younger cousins that were way into Twilight, as they were in Middle School at the time of those movies coming out. I still take great delight in showing their numerous "Team Edward" pictures to them whenever I see them. The costumes they were wearing were just perfect too, they looked completely ridiculous!
I even have a video of one of them saying things like the moon landing, the pyramids being built, and the end of both World Wars being nothing in comparison to the importance of the Twilight movies. With help from her father, I hope to sneak that video into her wedding reception.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
When he's shading twilight he should crack the fan and do a tongue pop
no he should not. normies need to stay away from asoiaf
I'm listening to him talk, but I can't take my eyes off that goddamn fan.
GRRM’s POV on humans as “cattle” is a direct philosophy from his book.
Here is a take on Vampires I have that nobody else seem to write about. Think about "Real World" vapaires for a moment and how and why they would and could exist???
As a person that has no thyroid along with millions of other with hypo-thyroid diseases that take medication to help use maintain our throid levels on a daily basis, how far would we go to get that hormone in us. Imagins after a nuclear war or someother disaster that would collapse governments around the world and of course all pharacudical companies ceasing to operate. How would we get our medicine?
For the people that don't know, back in the good old days doctors would dole out doses of cow blood to give people the required amounts of the hormone as not to suffer the horrible side effects related to not having it.
Long story short, a desperate person with a thyroid problem is a post apocalyptic world might kill another human to drink his blood to get the required amounts of hormone. That would be a credible reason to see actual Vampires emerge out of fiction.
Just a thought.
I think Vampire the Masquerade is a good answer to this trope... I very much enjoy their version of the vampire...
In that version Vampires are conflicted, on one side there's an insatiable hunger that requires blood, on the other hand there's their humanity, The following is an excerpt from the VTMB RPG video game that explains this perfectly, J will be Smiling Jack, P, the player:
QUOTE
J:"Remember what I said, don't kill them, at least not the innocent, you're a monster now, make no mistake one of the damned and the fallen you need to hold on to every shred of humanity you have"
P: Let's say I get a bit overzealous... what happens then?
J: "An innocent's an innocent, you kill one, even a worthless bum even by accident and it's gonna cost you a piece of your own humanity, bringing you close to that beast welling up inside you
P: "the beast? what exactly does that mean?
J: "The beast? it's always there, waiting to take over and when it does, it's like a wild animal wearing your skin, desperate, scared, reckless, it'll do anything to survive and it's YOU who has to deal with the consequences."
P: "So I can't kill anyone? that seems a little, uh, restricting...
J: "ah-ah-ah I said INNOCENT humans, if some asshole levels a 12-gauge your way, you drain them, skin them and bash in his skull, self preservation is a vital part of humanity after all, my favourite part in fact... eheheheh
P: "I think I follow"
J: "the only way to fight the beast is to keep in touch with your humanity and don't.go.hungry, it's a fine line.
END QUOTE
So in VTMB, while a vampire will never be a hero, they can easily be made into an anti-hero, like Wolverine (who kills constantly) Deadpool (duh) or even Batman (not kill... mosty but does some pretty questionable things)... the only problem with them is they still need to feed (drink blood) but as left pretty clear in the VTMB video game they can live off of bloodbags... I've done entire runs with bloodbags only (tutorial not whitstanding) and it's doable... expensive as hell... but doable.
So they'll never be squeaky clean but even superman has killed peeps so... acceptable.
Have you watched Hunter the Parenting? It's this great comedic VTMB fan series that is being made by youtuber Bruva Alfabusa.
Dang, I love him
DIO is best vampire. Period.
Guys out here dropping political and environmental bombs but this channels just like "TEEHEE HE MADE A JOKE ABOUT TWILIGHT"
are those guys in twilight even vampires ? i mean they sparkle in the sun instead of melting .....
I don't know George! In Buffy The Vampire Slayer, it seemed believable that vampires that were around 200 years old could have fallen for her. But let's face it, whatever the girls name was in Twilight, was no Buffy Summers. Sarah Michelle Gellar, and late 90's Sarah Michelle Gellar, is smokin hot!
To be fair, characters like Angel and Spike aren't really that old. Their souls were nonexistent for the majority of their vampire lives.
If you add Spike's age when he was converted to the number of years he spent as a vampire with a soul, he's not that much older than Buffy and he's emptionally/socially stunted as a result of his curse.
At least she actually finished the series.
Seems like GRRM would love The Strain.
Martin and del Toro would get on swell! They both have a wicked sense of humor and a genuine bone-deep love for the Fantasical and Philosophical. If del Toro had adapted ISOIAF, it would have ruptured space-time with sheer awesomeness.
This video was about so much more than what the subject suggests. The click-bait title is a bit of a disservice for the depth of thought here.
talks 5 seconds about twilight - George RR Martin DESTROYS TWILIGHT!!!1
As a countrymen of George, I wish he was correct saying his country had healthcare.
1 minute in and i have to read this book! I've read the song of ice and fire (which i also need to reread and the prequels and spinoffs) and loved it! Too AMAZON!
*Martin Farts*
The audience claps and laughs
If anyone fartz they laugh nmw
If anyone farts, I laugh
The greatest vampire tales a from Anne Rice
I really need to get my hands on fevre dream
Tyrion rambling about f*cking Cersei in the beginning of acok was better love triangle than twilight
I'm sorry that is just disgusting.
@@Bumble-bee_ i mean,his brother already does that
@@reyxus9454 Doesn't make it less disgusting
You've read aSoIaF, but you're afraid to swear? Interesting.
@@ginge641well but no matter how grizzly the details are but book characters don't swear only series characters do.
I love him so much
he talks so much about viewpoints of characters. its amazing
The vampires are the only ones who will live to read the end of ASOIF
More like throws shade at the GOP.
If George only knew monogatari
I subscribe to the theory of Roose Bolton being a vampire. The Undying in Qaath are most likely vampires or at least practice a form of vampirism. The way they attacked Daenerys in _A Clash of Kings_ gave me that feeling.
@Lightning Farron Can you please tell me more about this theory? Like its source and more details, it looks interesting
@@ahmedaly4328
Sure, thing.
Basically, Roose acts and looks like a vampire to me. He is obsessed with blood and leeching, and is just generally creepy. George R. R. Martin has written about vampires before, and Roose Bolton is very similar to them in description and character, in a way. The leeching part is something he does a lot. He believes in leeching out "bad blood," and recommends his followers to the same. That is my theory. I don't say that he is a LITERAL vampire, just that he has very vampire-like traits. No character will flat-out say he is a vampire, but it is implied, in my opinion.
@@ClaireYunFarronXIII an interesting theory indeed, since I'm currently reading through A Clash Of Kings I will keep an eye on The Undying of Quarth and more on Bolton, thanks for answering :)
@@ahmedaly4328 You're very welcome, hun. Enjoy the book. It is amazing. Hope to hear from you when you're done. For specifics, look at Arya's chapters to see Roose Bolton and look at Daenerys's chapters in Qaath to see the Undying. They appear in one chapter, but they are awesome. Sorry for the spoilers in my earlier comments.
@@ClaireYunFarronXIII I have watched the first 4 seasons of Game of Thrones then droped it after I saw how it went down with later seasons, then I started reading the books and I was impressed by the amount of details they left out in the show, it was great and all, but the books had their own magic. Anyway, once I finish it I will stop by and give you my impression.
Fever Dream sounds incredible but to be fair every vampire story I've read wrestles with the idea Vampires are instinctually murderers in a major way.
This is weirdly enough the convo I wanted from him lol, I agree hehe
Andrzej Sapkowski is one of the rare writers who can write vampires well. His character Regis is second only to Geralt.
It's not really that rare or that hard to write. Good vampire stories are just buried by garbage like "Twilight".
The sad thing is that the greatest vampire author of all time, Stoker, is to blame. Before he made them sexy and noble, vampire lore was closer to zombie and ghost lore.
Even the Witcher vampires follow the Stoker archetype. Even though "The Strain" novels eventually went off the rails, they're closer to traditional vampires than anything in Stoker's lineage (Anne Rice, Twilight, etc).
@Sharstan To me it doesn't matter how well the lore is written or what the focus is if the vampires aren't scary. You should try Anne Rice if you want lore. Lestat actually hangs out with the devil for a whole book.
@Sharstan You can read the books in any order really. If you've already watched "Interview With a Vampire" you should just start with "Memnoch the Devil".
It explains the entire Anne Rice universe and Memnoch is an even bigger badass than Lestat. He takes Lestat back in time to meet Jesus because they're actually friends (not a big spoiler). Lol
Wonder what he would think about castlevania.
He has his own opinions on Videogames as a storytelling medium
Well, he's writing the video game Elden Ring at the moment. It's a FromSoftware game. FromSoftware are, in my view, the best games company, but they aren't for the faint-hearted. They're brutally difficult games, on purpose. The stories are also very rich. Can't wait to see what Martin produces.
He likes Anne Rice , he must .. I just know it ! ;) Great interview btw !
Twilight already comes with it’s own shade, its almost redundant to throw more at it.
though I love George, I don't think he read the books or watched the Twilight movies..the Vampires in twilight are still depicted as they are, merciless killers, in the 2nd movie, children were killed by the high Vampires and in the 5th they killed babies, Its only Edward's family which showed restraint, but even them can slip sometimes.
The century old vampire falling for a teenager may be a bit farfetched but "to them we're cattle" isn't realistic either. Vampires were once humans themselves and humans are sentient beings. If the actual cattle could talk back and say "please don't kill me," a lot more people would be vegetarian. The reason we eat meat is because the meat can't understand it's going to be eaten. So I would argue that vampires, being our intellectual equals would hesitate to treat us like cattle. They'd be much more inclined to come to an arrangement and then mingle and live among humans peacefully.
...You do know that "the meat" does understand that it's about to be eaten right?
Why do you think animals can get scared?
They are also sentient creatures. capable of free though and free will. When an animal is screaming scared and making threatening noises it's literally saying "please don't kill me".
The reason we eat them is because we consider lower than us.
And as for the vampires, vampires are your superiors in every way. What would it matter to an immortal if you're going to die right now or 70 years from now. In it's eyes both things would be a blink away the only difference is that one choice would feed it and the other would let it hungry.
I bet he would love hellsing. Like when he told his enemy DONT DO IT DONT TURN YOURSELF INTO A MONSTER...only a man may kill a monster,only a man may kill me.you are my greatest enemy dont defile YOURSELF
At least Stephanie Meyer her series. And even went back, did a remake of the 1st book that honestly is pretty good
I love every word he just said.👍
This video was named poorly. It’s actually a very insightful and interesting take on politics and the power dynamic throughout human history. For the first time ever we might have the ability to change that and are overwhelmingly being voted down by a selfish and destructive generation. George R R Martin belonged to this generation and was one of the few who fought for a better world. Only comment I disagree with was that he left the world in a better place. He should have said he left the world in a better place than it would have been otherwise.
I disagree, I clicked for vampires. I stayed for insightful discussion.
If you don’t think the world today is better than the world of the 1960s and 1970s then you don’t know anything about recent history.
Rathelm MC In terms of selfish corporate greed, world destruction and power dynamic? Hasn’t changed a bit. Arguably got worse.
Fred Chapman, you’re leaving out all the positives. World hunger has been reduced by approximately 75% same with world abject poverty by about the same percentage. American’s material wealth has greatly increased as well. Home sizes have doubled from a median of 1400 square feet to about 2500. We have more diverse food selection than 1970. More diverse entertainment options, remember only like 10 channels in 1970. Cars are just better, no need to expand on that. And need I mention the expansion of civil rights?
Are there negatives. Of course! But I’d argue there’s been more positives than negatives.
@@rathelmmc3194 Its useless to point out facts, its all about feelings and being outraged nowadays.
Such a wise and brilliant mind
Peter Watts had an interesting (and similar) take on Vampires in the sci-fi novel Blindsight. He even came up with a plausible, science based reason to have them be repelled by the sight of a crucifix.
When was this interview from?
likely sometime between 2008-2011
Judging by his reference to the US election ( 5:20 ) I would assume it to be from 2nd half of 2016
Dracula by beak stoker while being one of the Best books ever written caused a lot of the “sexy” vampires
Twilight is a popular target...I wonder how many critics even gave the book a chance.
I mean I gave it 4 hours before quitting
"Utopia can only be reached across an ocean of blood"
At least Twilight is a finished series.
Ooh. Such shade.
SAVAGE GUY RIGHT THERE 👆
DAMN
Oof
Well many many years ago Stephenie hinted that she was thinking about writing books from Renesmee's or Leah's perspective
Vampires aside, that was a great monologue at the end
Imagine if he dies before finishing the series... Twilight fans will have material to mock us saying: "at least our shit is complete haha" . Now, that's a nightmare.
Roman Mota Someone else will eventually write the ending book(s). Like the fantasy book series The Wheel of Time, the author died before finishing the series, so another wellknown and respected fantasy author got premission to write the ending to the series, and the fans actually felt he made the best job ever at ending a story another had begun. The new author is Brandon Sanderson. If anybody are into epic, unique fantasy worlds and storytelling (like The Wheel of Time series, that's why Sanderson was picked, I think) then check his books out :) Especially The Stormlight Archive and Mistborn :)
@@andromedastar7669 No, he will finish them.
And her ending was garbage and the criticism made her stop writing Twillight stories.
You can answer with that.
@@balabanasireti
How could I've known that? I've never read those books... (I'm the OP by the way)
Still, we are not sure of anything. We still don't know if GRRM's end will be good. Considering how society has changed through the decades he lasted writing, it might happen that the final he give us is utter shit for so many. Anyway, my point still stands, Twilight will have an ending(no matter how shit it is) while ASOIAF will not.
@@balabanasireti There was nothing more to write.
critiquing arguing against, stating opinion about or commenting on something is not "throwing shade", unless you are at the emotional development level of a teenager.
Just started reading Fevre Dream 😊📚I did like the Twilight books and movies. Guilty pleasure 😜. Favorite has always been Anne Rice!!!
I read Twilight and I really don't think it's a terrible story. In fact, it had some really good moments.
I'm not saying that it's a masterpiece, but I get the sense that 99% of the people who make fun of it are just jumping on a bandwagon and have no idea what they're talking about.
If you want to make fun of Twilight, that's totally okay, but at least make sure that you tried it out for yourself first.
I read it and saw the movies... still not a fan. Sorry...
I do love vampires, just not twilight. I love Anne Rice and I think she has one of the best take on vampires.
@@LuthienAlexandra
I didn't say you had to like it. I said that I believed that most people who made fun of it had no idea what they were talking about because they had never gone to the effort of finding out anything about it.
In fact, that describes most everything that masses of people mock and belittle.
Also, I love vampires too and definitely prefer the fearsome warriors of the night to Stephanie Meyer's gothic supermodels. But most of her characters are still interesting and compelling.
It's garbage. End of story.
Vampire hunter D (a Japanese Anime, Manga) has some of the best vampire lore I've ever read.
Vampire Hunter D is actually a Light Novel series. The manga and anime are just adaptions and they only adapt a miniscule portion of the 44 novels that have been published so far.
@@WackySwackyAdventure and amazing novels they are. I haven't read all I don't think they are all translated
Sadly Vampire Hunter D suffers from japanese "hollywood" syndrome where good portion of the lore is changed to cater to hollywood audience.
I feel obligated to point out that as AWFUL as twilight was, at least the books got finished.
true, but a Song of ice and Fire is better
In GRRM’s defence not only were they awful, but they were much shorter too
And far, far less complex.
@@harsimaja9517 True, he should lower the scope next time.
@@romulorafael5563 *a song of ice and fire
This is the moment when GoT came full circle
I never read the books but I genuinely loved the Twilight movies.. I don't understand the wide hate, but again wtf do I know
they took blood thirsty monsters and made them into misunderstood teenagers and teenagers are just the worst
@@tommerker8063 lmao the hate
@@mydarling3272 eehh, more like indifference. if i hated everything teenage girls love i would not have time to hate other things.
Spectacular talk
George Based Martin
Twilight isnt good but im sure most of the hate is just unnecsessary. I bet most of those who hated it didnt even read it.
Edit: I paused the video to write the bellow, then started it again, and George made exactly the point I thought I was criticizing him with . I'm an idiot for commenting before having watched the whole video and will keep this up as a token of my shame:
Don't really follow his argument of applying subjectivist values to prey/preditor relations. Is the lion evil to the goat? Dunno, is the lion evil to the reasonable human which it eats? Not in the relevant, moral sense, only as evil as the tornado. No reasonable human (the only ones using the moral descriptors) would say the lion is evil as Martin aledges the human goat would. Evil without presumed reasoned choice doesn't make much sense, but once you have reasoned choice, excusing yourself to your nature doesn't work anymore either.
Similarly, the vampires might consider themselves evil if they put moral value into consciousness, like a strict utilitarian who puts moral value on suffering/pleasure might think eating meat evil. So sure, the vampires might just HAVE different standards and not see themselves as evil, but the predator/prey relationship doesn't ensure that. For that reason too, vampires as (tragic, maybe suicidal) heroes to our standards can work, as a kind of ultimate redemption and self sacrifice. Not that twilight does that, mind.
It happens to everyone don't worry
4:05 amogus
Love you bro
I had this teacher for Fantastic Literature and American Film (this was like 2006ish) and the one time I brought up ASoIaF, he didn‘t know it, but when i mentioned GRRM, his response was like „oh you mean the guy who wrote this super-freaky vampire book“. I think he might have shown me the book. He was an expert on Horror Films, so that probably explains his literary priorities.
Predators are not evil, just hungry.
truth
People often make the “human as cattle” analogy with Vampires but the distinction is that unlike cows there prey is capable of speech. Of philosophical discourse. Many humans are vegetarian.
How much more so if cows and pigs could speak to us in language we understand and beg not be devoured?
I also thought of vegetarians. I suppose it all comes down to; CAN vampires survive without human blood? A cat would die if it does not get meat. Humans can survive without meat, so we have a choise. Suppose a vampire only has two choices if they want to live: Killing the individual providing blood, or capturing a human and use them for multiple feedings? In such a situation, perhaps a vampire would see not killing the individual human as akin to animal cruelty? Prolonging the suffering just to get more meals out of it. Like torturing an animal before killing it because torture makes animal body to release enzymes that make it taste better? (Personally I think those people who think a tortured animal tastes better should get tortured themselves)
Revealing your species is not an option: Perhaps some have tried and that is where the vampire lore comes from? Perhaps vampires have a society that kills every vampire that tells and every human that knows? Perhaps vampires have evolved so that they simply can't reveal themselves?
You are a separate species that needs to feed on humans, you were born that way and live 20 times as long as a human. What would be the most moral choice? When I think about it am so glad humans can live without meat if we want to...
Sienisota Well, if we presume that the feeding doesn’t require killing the individual it seems perfectly reasonable (if uninteresting) for vampires to purchase or otherwise obtain large quantities of blood. I mean a super long lifespan and powers means that money is going to be pretty easy to come by.
The lion does not concern himself with the opinions of the sheep.
Sorry just wanted to use that line.
@@somethinglikethat2176 I thought it was supposed to rhyme: "A lion does not lose sleep over the opinions of sheep."
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I have offplanet work, a functional utility focused utopia I visualize in our grasps already
Throws shade? Title lost me but interesting interview.
That philosophical question seems to be one that the Starks and Martels are on opposite sides of.
The Martels see their natural sexual nature as a gift from the gods, while the Starks believe in containing one’s sexual desires in order to aspire to a higher calling, one outside of their own nature.
Tough crowd
genius!
Y'all know the Fifty Shades trilogy started out as twilight fan fiction, right?
how would we know that tho, it would mean we had any interest im any of those two 😁
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 You're right, but what I said is true though.
Not just know, It is Proven Fact
@@damonlongstreet8630 Exactly.
That’s crazy. I didn’t know that but I can totally see that. They’re both shit stories lol
George looks like an uncle from the shroote farm
i wonder what he would think of the legacy of kain vampires
I think the following generations will suffer very much for the greed of ours
@agnat86 Indeed, I wish we could put more effort into changing that cycle, that we can somewhat stop our predation and greed
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