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It's nice to hear an interviewer that is genuinely interested and into literature and knows GRRMs and others less popular works. Makes the conversation more interstinf
This interviewer is an idiot. He told GM he skips ahead chapters of some characters. What a fukc#ing idiot! Intentionally ruining the story and telling GM straight to his face.
Good interview, I always feel bad for GRRM when he gets asked a boring question he’s already answered 100 times in the past. It also shows how little research the interviewer has done. This interviewer really expanded on stuff GRRM has answered before.
When people say "You have full control of what your characters do so 'the character decided on X' isn't an excuse" there always comes to my mind that "Well not exactly, sure you created the character and it's your job to fine tune them, but once you let them loose you need to let them do as they are designed to or the story is artificial or stale" That's why I love whenever George talks about his writing and characters.
Same. As an aspiring writer, you definitely can't *make* a character decide on a decision that betrays who they are as a character. You created them, but after you've breathed life into them you then have to get inside their heads and wonder what decisions they'll make based on who you created them to be. They're like people. A selfish person will make decisions that prioritize themselves, while a selfless person will make decisions that prioritize others before themselves. Someone who's morally gray will titter between the two and often make abrupt decisions not everyone will agree with. It's what separates good stories from poorly written ones.
He mentions that the creative, "gardner-style", writer's Hell is suddenly going silent. "The next thing you know his last novel is taking twenty years to complete". A prediction of his own future?
Yeah this made me think that this interview is probably quite old, because at this point, or even 3 years ago when this was posted, he was clearly already talking about himself, but not acknowledging it.
@@Dogboon- Completely agree. How is he gonna fit the winds of winter into the winds of winter. I mean, there's gotta be 10 Dani chapters, 10 Tyrion chapters, etc. A lot of characters are gonna get cut.
Cesar Rodriguez or just get killed immediately, I mean he said it himself right? That he promised the winds of winter will be more bloody than even A storm of swords. So if that’s the case I’m assuming he’s gonna try and fast track the first couple deaths as quickly as possible like major character deaths within the first like maybe 30 40 chapters. So maybe that’s his plan in terms of fitting things into the last 2 books.
"Family, Duty, Honor." I wonder if Martin came up with the Tully's words before or after creating Cat, either way the words suit her perfectly. For sure the characters driven narrative it's one of the reasons I like asoiaf as much as I do.
In the show maybe , in the book Cat is an awful human being ! Watch the video why catelyn sucks by order of the greenhand, it gives so many different examples and evidence to back that up , the way she treats John , how she convinced ned to go to kings landing , how she doesn't care when ned says there's something off with joffery she only cares that he's the crown prince , doesn't do any of the 5 things ned asked her to do in order to prepare for war with the lannisters , the way she drives rob totally nuts and acts like she's one of his best advisers even though she never once gives him good advice during the war, she even at one point questions robs courage infront of several of his men ! I could go on and on with examples , fact is there's plenty of evidence in books that she is one the most self centered people in the book . she is not good to her family , she does a horrible at doing her duty, and she has absolutely no honor !
@@trevorwinn5012 Oh and btw I did watch that video by the order of the green hand. It represents perfectly what I mean when I talk of twisting the narrative to fit the preconceived opinion that Catelyn is bad. She defends her son life risking her own? That's her duty for godsake! No credit. But if someone else, who is 'good', does something similar? Out come the tongues...
@@trevorwinn5012 taste is taste, I don't particularly like her either as I think she is stuck up (as virtually all nobility is with very rare exceptions) but that doesn't mean I won't try to give her her dues.
@@cyrneco Nope, Cat does a ton of bad decision that are totally her own fault. Even her mental state many times even though understandable his really bad. What do you call abandoning your children in time they most need? Because that is exactly what she did when she whent in the "who's the dagger" quest. For that she abondoned Rickon, a boy of 3 years that had just "lost" his father, 2 sisters, and brother. She abandoned Bran. And she abandoned Rob and the Regency of Winterfell. Tell me, what his "Family"? If not her 3 children that were left in her care? What is "Duty"? If not her responsability of regency of Winterfell? And what his "Honor"? If not keep her promise to Ned that he could go without burden to the south, that she would keep the "house" afloat? Cat also kidnapped a person to be "judged" in a biased court, when the only thing she had was that the weapon was his. And worse she did it in her previous land, using her previous subjects. Basically declaring Riverland war against the Lanisters by proxy. She basically threw a war declaration in her brother and father laps from nowhere. That goes totally outside the "Family", "Duty" and "Honor" of her family motto.
This interview is definitely very old, probably pre-2011 even. He mentions "bulletin boards" and that he knows what fans think because he gets emails from them. No mention of Twitter or modern forms of social media. More importantly, there is no mention of the TV show at all, which seems inconceivable in any interview since 2011.
Ned literally told cat to tell Robb to arm moat cailin with 200 archers and keep an eye on theon as it would be important to call balon on their side. I sometimes couldn't stand her, but again that was the beauty of her character. Just a mother trying to protect her children.
I can't tell you how many times I wanted to slap her for her stupidity. I don't believe that she had any loyalty towards the Starks, because she acted out of her own naivete and incompetence.
Most of the advice she gave Robb was good. Releasing Jaime was the one stupid thing she did, and she did it, in the books at least, after she learnt that Bran and Rickon were dead. Obviously losing her youngest two children was devastating for her. And, nobody was doing anything to help her daughters.
1st time here on this channel, but I have to tell that this interview is absolutely fantastic! The questions are perfect and the whole direction in which the interview was going was great! Thank you for posting it,
If Aegon Targaryen is connected to Martin, please convey this: We still love Martin's works and even if he doesn't finish this magnum opus, it's okay. He has given us an amazing epic and it's the journey together that matters, not the destination
I'm going to disagree with this. While I'm eternally grateful to mr.martin, the reason he is famous, the reason he doesnt have to work a 9 to 5 job like everyone else, is because he is a story teller. I believe, firmly, that it is the story tellers job to...tell a story. A whole story. Any thing less, and they become grifters.
With regards to George Lucas, it seemed like he was at his best when there were other peers to bounce ideas off of to find out what worked and what didn't. The prequels turned out the way they did, in large part, because there was no one to challenge him anymore.
It is sad that she did not die sooner. How many mothers, fathers, sons and daughters, young and old were butchered because she decided to kidnap Tyrion. She started the war of the five kings. She was also the one who sent Ed to Kings Landing. Nah, her fate was just what she deserved.
I got a bit triggered when the interviewer said he skips chapters to find out what happened to the character he was reading about. And I'm pretty sure George got too.
I mean, he's basically telling him some of his characters are better/more interesting than others. Which obviously is true, but as an author probably not the nicest thing to hear.
@@johnr797 i do that sometimes, and i do with all the characters. it's not about liking one character more than others, it's about curiosity. example: i wanna know what's going to happen to daenerys, but once i come back to the arya's chapter i skipped i will become invested in arya's story again, and maybe wanna read one more chapter about her. davos isn't one of my favorites but one time i read 3 chapters of him cause i was too curious. i read somewhere that jon or daenerys's chapters were published as a separated book before the real book came out, so they can of course be read as separated stories at some extension. some of us just are not so strong against cliffhangers ig. sorry grrm, you made me too curious...
D & D in their quest to subvert the plots, they fell right into the trap and messed it up pretty badly. There was nothing logical and sense about the last few seasons. I hope the ones who are handling House of the Dragons series is more capable than D&D.
Exactly what happened with the Night King. Everyone had predicted Jon and him would have some sort of final battle because it'd been hinted at for seasons spread across YEARS through several books...the entire reason he even came back to life was because of it. The Night King and the Long Night was Jon's entire plotline, everything was being set-up and foreshadowed for the end of Jon's plotline...then boom, Arya appears, and instead of snapping her neck in-half (or instantly freezing her like he did everything else he touched) he watches her stab him. What was the point of Jon coming back to life again? What was the point of his entire character arc? There was none. Heck, I was actually expecting the two of them to kill one another...the Night King stabs Jon after a lengthy duel, then with the last of his strength Jon stabs him, ends the Long Night, and dies. Maybe even Ghost helps Jon win and the two of them die together, Jon cradling him like he did when Ghost was a pup. Definitely wasn't expecting a happy-ending where everyone lives. Only character Season 8 did right was Theon.
Lucas I think has a healthy amount of flexibility with his story. He was more focused on what the meaning and purpose of the story was and can it fit within the 'walls' of the 3 films he was making. The heros journey, the relationship with your father, the redemption of evil all stayed constant. Early drafts still began with Anakin and his kids. In film they had to begin shifting and combining characters ex Leia and Lukes twin. By the 3rd movie it wouldn't just not worked to introduce a new character so late. With all the previous history with Vader and her role politically I think it wasn't as issue at all. I enjoy a bit of 'they were right under your nose all along'.
Hi! Can anyone link me up to the whole interview? If it's available online? Would really love to listen to the whole thing. Thanks so much for uploading this! Love your content!
The interviewer mentioned skipping ahead chapters to follow a particular character, and George scolded him for it. It’s a great thing to do on a re-read. If you’re not up to re-reading a whole book or books in the series, just pick a character and only read their chapters. Very interesting and fun.
Sometimes when a voice stops, it's because their death is so unexpected and out of context. They don't see it coming. No one sees it. Like no one sees the butterfly effect.
This is interesting to hear, especially that last bit because most media today is heavily influenced by the consumer… movies, shows, video games or whatever.
She made mistake upon fucking mistake upon fucking mistake. What she could screw up, she screwed up. It was her own actions that doomed her family left and right and you call her "smart"? Somewhat tough maybe. Though stubbornly stupid or arrogantly confident would be a better word to put it.
@mattteomatei3610 no. The war started because TYWIN was blindly bent on revenge. She only brought turion to justice, ensured that he was given a fair trial and then released him - all as per the law. Tywin is the one who was thirsty for revenge.
BriansWrld I’m not being one of those ‘oh hey it has dragons therefore nothing about it is real’ people, I understand your point and it’s a neat one. I just, as a fellow fan of the franchise, feel that the whole claim of ‘realism’ aspect to the got universe that fans claim is a bit hollow. Realistic would take into account the many logistical errors that pervade the Asoiaf universe that break immersion. It’s all well and such to criticize something as pointless as Aragorn not having a tax plan, but I do not feel that creating a militantly pessimistic universe is the same as making something realistic. Also, people claim that characters are killed randomly before their story arcs are concluded, but that’s not the case, their dying early is always a poetic result of their actions, no amount of foreshadowing was ever really true to real life.
@@brianfinnegan664 again we reveal to each other just how little we disagree. He is indeed very good at it, dare i say the best in the business these days (or before 2011). I just do not consider the world of GoT (especially the books, as the show is far more grounded) to be any more realistic than that of Tolkein. John Flanagan's rangers apprentice series has a better claim to realism, simply because saying that only in viscerally brutal or explicit stories can the depth of human choice and character be realistically explored is untrue. If one accepts that fact and sees just how many instances there already were of that in fiction even before the nineties when the first book was released one sees that the praise being heaped on game of thrones (i think) is because we, as people, love firsts and bests and new things, but in my opinion, GoT is just a remix of a dozen things already done, and it was the creativity involved in mixing the right things that makes it so amazing.
BriansWrld yes, this is what I disagree with. The explicit, abstract evil in Lotr distracts from the conflict within each character, Bilbo’s heroism coupled with his selfishness in regards to the ring. The wizards that ventured into the world with Gandalf all had their choices and they ranged from active rebellion to casual disinterest and omission of their responsibilities. The tragic fate of Faeanor and his sons are another example of the choices made by characters that take them from highs to lows in their individual arcs. Saying other works ignore this fundamental aspect of storytelling is untrue. It is the sheer number of unique and interesting characters, none of which are a clear protagonist that Martin incredibly balances in unique ways that makes the world of GoT feel so lived in and relatable. Rangers apprentice I only bring up because there are absolutely no supernatural elements to the world. But it’s as if Flanagan (the author) basically used a random fantasy map generator and threw all the cultures of the world at it to see where they would stick, but Though the writing is no where near as good as Martin’s.
So sad listening to him talking about authors who slow or stop writing books late in their career, it will be one of the great crimes of fantasy if ASOIAF does not get completed
@@CrazyWork25 Great. So we won't get a proper ending, and all we'll have is the horrible TV show ending? That would be a tragedy. He should have chosen an author he trusts and respects to finish the final book if he cannot, like what happened with The Wheel of Time.
Thank you for uploading this! I’m also a bad reader lol I want to skip ahead so bad sometimes and will put a bookmark on the next chapter for the character that I am captivated with at the time.
All i can say is he said Gandalf should've stayed dead. Apparently he missed the silmarillian, and yet he brings catelyn stark back to life for some important gurgling Ha. And thinks the scouring of the shire is allegorical when the man that wrote it specifically says that it does not and proceeds to explain why.
They never revealed who sent that assassin to Bran in the show. They never said it was Joffrey of course I knew it was him once I read ASOS but before that I just assumed it was Cersei and/or Jaime.
@@HH-cm5rp and where would Mance have found the dagger? No, it was Joff. Tyrion even figured it out. And besides, what would Mance have gotten out from this? Mance is many things, but not a murderer of children. Cersei would never harm a child so young, she would have threaten Bran instead and Jamie would have done it himself.
I hope George will be more vocal about his visions for the story and give more interviews about it to 1. set the record straight and 2 shove it more up D&D B
@@Anomandil 71 or not, the mind starts to cognitively decline at 75. And he is considered old by any standard, and is not in the best health with his weight. I hope he can live another 20 years but I am being realistic here. I don't see him finishing a dream of spring. Especially when he has talked about working on Fire and Blood part 2 and another dunk and egg book before Dream of spring. Whatever he writes I will be happy to read but I am not holding my breath here for him finishing a song of ice and fire.
@@TheYankeesUnited perhaps the remaining books won't match the others in quality, but I believe WoW is almost done, and the bar has been significantly lowered by the show I think Winds is going to be excellent and Dream will be complete though not as good
@@TheYankeesUnited I have not heard heard him talk about finishing other novels before Dream, I really hope its not true, perhaps I'm being biased. I just really want to see a satisfactory end to the series. The show bothers me more than I could possibly express in words
nytolstoy Grrm said that fire and blood 2 will come after ADOS, and the dunk and egg story is partially written. I’m fairly optimistic that grrm can finish the series.
I love how he's talking about authors who lose their sparks and can't finish a book, often dying before it's finished. With.. zero introspection. Haha..... 😬
I feel this. My plan for Staymaker (historical Kent and Sussex smugglers) a character was supposed to be there at the end, to give evidence ...But he decided to run his mouth off a lot earlier , and ended up leaving the protagonist little choice but murder.
4:40 Suddenly he is taking twenty years to complete his last novel, and it is still not compete - GRRM critiquing another author in this old interview. Careful, George. It is now ten years since A dance with dragons.
17:02 gotta disagree here. Vater is German for father and Lucas heavily pulled from the Weimar Republic and the rise of the Third Reich when creating Star Wars. This is seen much more in the Prequels, but it would be very, very coincidental to name your villian a word for father and have his title be a play on dark. Dark Father, Dark Vater, Darth Vader.
I don’t like Cat, but I’ll share this from my personal life in her defence, I have an older half-brother, and when I got older I was surprised that my mom didn’t push my dad to sponsor him to join us (we’re from a very poor country where life is really hard). I’ll be honest, it disappointed me from a moral view. Where I have an aunt who always insisted that her husband bring their outside kids in the home, and she raised them with love (and that whole tribe of siblings are loyal to one another, and they love their stepmom). Now, I have another aunt...yes her husband’s outside came to live with her, but she treated them not well. People are people, their gray
Stumbling on this after seeing the final interview for the game of thrones tv series, where the show writers went outta their way to do just this is ironic lol
A friend of mine noticed something about me: weirdly enough i was able to quote kat Word for Word in The game of thrones series up until she died. I dont know why but i guess i have a soul Bond with her or something
And to give credit where credit is due, since you are uploading other people's work. It's pretty scummy to take and use other people's work and profit off of it without at least giving them credit.
@@sabrinakrisb4672 Probably better to find the original interview, which I would also love to find. I hate that this UA-camr doesn't ever put where and when the interviews he uploads are from in his descriptions. It seems the least he could do for using their content, honestly. I'm appreciative of him sharing the interviews, of course, but I feel it's not right for him to not credit the sources.
I have yet to read the books, but she was definitely a "good" character in the show. And I loved her appearance as well, homely yet attractive and intelligent, the long hair, etc.
This goes both ways, book readers had an idea of how things should've turned out as well, and they bitched when things didn't go how they hoped, and theorized. Objectively, the last season did feel rushed, but I don't have an issue with how it all ended. The only real issue I've had with the series is everything with to do with Dorne (minus the Red Viper). They changed that up way too much, and ended up butchering what could've been a great story line.
I mean you're free to like the ending, but a majority of people bitched not because they "didn't get what they wanted", but because the last two seasons were poorly written, and the characters were reduced to one dimensional cartoonish versions of themselves. Don't even get me started on the Others/White Walker plot.
What was that about Indiana Jones; I wasn’t familiar with that critique about it piling on. Did he mean the whole franchise? He seemed to lose Martin as well with that analogy.
Catelyn wouldnt send a messenger to Kings Landing, she would go herself. Also Catelyn: fucks off to Kings landing leaving 3 of her sons behind at Winterfell one of them in coma, the same one that narrowly escapes an assassination attempt and might need his mother if he wakes up, simply on a whim that the Lannisters might have sent the killer. No big deal.
When He was talking about his fear, that the voices in his head would become silent and writing would become more and more difficult. Maybe he is already struggling with this.
What's wrong with the second Indiana Jones movie? Uh, nothing!! Also, I agree with GRRM about George Lucas "changing" Star Wars' stories between each successive film 1980 and 1983. It always seemed weird to me that Vader turns out to be Luke's father...just didn't fit especially after Obi Wan said Vader killed Luke's father. I think that would have been way more interesting than to find out Luke and Vader were related. But that my opinion. And later, when Lucas brought in the "looking at everything through a certain point of view thing", it just seemed kind of lame to me. Just my opinion though. .
But Vader's very name means "father" in Dutch, so that's pretty clearly premeditated. I don't think Lucas did much pandering to the fans in his work, he was too self-absorbed. :)
@@MravacKid The Father/Vader connection is a great point. But being from that time period I remember many thinking it weird that DV claimed to be LS's dad. Overall, still love those original SW flicks...before GL started to mess with them later on. Personally didn't care for the prequels -- except Ewan as young Kenobi -- and didn't really care for the new SW movies. Did like Solo and the Mandalorian though.
Vader and the twins were always the original characters, it was just that he wasn't Vader, just Anakin originally. Leia wasn't Luke's twin, but it wouldn't have worked to force in another character so late so the characters got combined. The certain point of view is pivotal at showing the hypocrisy of the Jedi.
It's nice to hear an interviewer that is genuinely interested and into literature and knows GRRMs and others less popular works. Makes the conversation more interstinf
I agree. Its really embarrassing when the interviewer is only talking about the show and they can't even pronounce the main characters names.
This interviewer is an idiot. He told GM he skips ahead chapters of some characters. What a fukc#ing idiot! Intentionally ruining the story and telling GM straight to his face.
Good interview, I always feel bad for GRRM when he gets asked a boring question he’s already answered 100 times in the past. It also shows how little research the interviewer has done. This interviewer really expanded on stuff GRRM has answered before.
@@stephenmaguire9907 the interviewer sucked. He told GM that he skips ahead chapters to see what happens. What an idiot.
When people say "You have full control of what your characters do so 'the character decided on X' isn't an excuse" there always comes to my mind that "Well not exactly, sure you created the character and it's your job to fine tune them, but once you let them loose you need to let them do as they are designed to or the story is artificial or stale"
That's why I love whenever George talks about his writing and characters.
Same. As an aspiring writer, you definitely can't *make* a character decide on a decision that betrays who they are as a character. You created them, but after you've breathed life into them you then have to get inside their heads and wonder what decisions they'll make based on who you created them to be. They're like people. A selfish person will make decisions that prioritize themselves, while a selfless person will make decisions that prioritize others before themselves. Someone who's morally gray will titter between the two and often make abrupt decisions not everyone will agree with.
It's what separates good stories from poorly written ones.
He mentions that the creative, "gardner-style", writer's Hell is suddenly going silent. "The next thing you know his last novel is taking twenty years to complete". A prediction of his own future?
Yeah this made me think that this interview is probably quite old, because at this point, or even 3 years ago when this was posted, he was clearly already talking about himself, but not acknowledging it.
I don’t think it stopped yet
@@jadawin1137 the audio quality immediately made me think this interview was old lmao
This is one of the best interviews iv heard with GRRM
Hes teaching us so much
I've come to terms with the fact that "A dream of Spring" will never be released.
@@cesarrodriguez8893 also, how can he fit all the characters into WoW with significant progression without it being two or three books on its own?
@@Dogboon- Completely agree. How is he gonna fit the winds of winter into the winds of winter. I mean, there's gotta be 10 Dani chapters, 10 Tyrion chapters, etc. A lot of characters are gonna get cut.
Cesar Rodriguez or just get killed immediately, I mean he said it himself right? That he promised the winds of winter will be more bloody than even A storm of swords. So if that’s the case I’m assuming he’s gonna try and fast track the first couple deaths as quickly as possible like major character deaths within the first like maybe 30 40 chapters. So maybe that’s his plan in terms of fitting things into the last 2 books.
"Family, Duty, Honor."
I wonder if Martin came up with the Tully's words before or after creating Cat, either way the words suit her perfectly. For sure the characters driven narrative it's one of the reasons I like asoiaf as much as I do.
In the show maybe , in the book Cat is an awful human being ! Watch the video why catelyn sucks by order of the greenhand, it gives so many different examples and evidence to back that up , the way she treats John , how she convinced ned to go to kings landing , how she doesn't care when ned says there's something off with joffery she only cares that he's the crown prince , doesn't do any of the 5 things ned asked her to do in order to prepare for war with the lannisters , the way she drives rob totally nuts and acts like she's one of his best advisers even though she never once gives him good advice during the war, she even at one point questions robs courage infront of several of his men ! I could go on and on with examples , fact is there's plenty of evidence in books that she is one the most self centered people in the book . she is not good to her family , she does a horrible at doing her duty, and she has absolutely no honor !
@@trevorwinn5012 Oh and btw I did watch that video by the order of the green hand. It represents perfectly what I mean when I talk of twisting the narrative to fit the preconceived opinion that Catelyn is bad. She defends her son life risking her own? That's her duty for godsake! No credit. But if someone else, who is 'good', does something similar? Out come the tongues...
You obviously know your asoiaf stuff , I respect your opinion, I still think cat sucks , I will agree to disagree
@@trevorwinn5012 taste is taste, I don't particularly like her either as I think she is stuck up (as virtually all nobility is with very rare exceptions) but that doesn't mean I won't try to give her her dues.
@@cyrneco Nope, Cat does a ton of bad decision that are totally her own fault. Even her mental state many times even though understandable his really bad.
What do you call abandoning your children in time they most need? Because that is exactly what she did when she whent in the "who's the dagger" quest. For that she abondoned Rickon, a boy of 3 years that had just "lost" his father, 2 sisters, and brother. She abandoned Bran. And she abandoned Rob and the Regency of Winterfell.
Tell me, what his "Family"? If not her 3 children that were left in her care? What is "Duty"? If not her responsability of regency of Winterfell? And what his "Honor"? If not keep her promise to Ned that he could go without burden to the south, that she would keep the "house" afloat?
Cat also kidnapped a person to be "judged" in a biased court, when the only thing she had was that the weapon was his. And worse she did it in her previous land, using her previous subjects. Basically declaring Riverland war against the Lanisters by proxy. She basically threw a war declaration in her brother and father laps from nowhere. That goes totally outside the "Family", "Duty" and "Honor" of her family motto.
This interview is definitely very old, probably pre-2011 even. He mentions "bulletin boards" and that he knows what fans think because he gets emails from them. No mention of Twitter or modern forms of social media. More importantly, there is no mention of the TV show at all, which seems inconceivable in any interview since 2011.
Jack Vance died in 2013 - so before that for sure. The audio does sound older than that though.
He STILL makes mentions to bulletin boards so that might not be accurate.
Ned literally told cat to tell Robb to arm moat cailin with 200 archers and keep an eye on theon as it would be important to call balon on their side. I sometimes couldn't stand her, but again that was the beauty of her character. Just a mother trying to protect her children.
i couldnt stand her either she was so stuped and always messed up everything
Same with most of Cersei’s blunders, too.
I can't tell you how many times I wanted to slap her for her stupidity. I don't believe that she had any loyalty towards the Starks, because she acted out of her own naivete and incompetence.
You would think a powerfull lady is a bit smarter than that but no, she's a tard, everything and the fall of house stark is mostly her fault
Most of the advice she gave Robb was good. Releasing Jaime was the one stupid thing she did, and she did it, in the books at least, after she learnt that Bran and Rickon were dead. Obviously losing her youngest two children was devastating for her. And, nobody was doing anything to help her daughters.
00:35 "Ned Stark has gone south"
Now I realize that expression comes from Winterfell. Anyone who has "gone south" from there, they really did.
Very true
You just figured that out?
what else could this possibly mean
@@MrStarman926Gone south > Gone "down" > Taken down, brought down, killed, defeated
GRRM: ...After he passed away
Interviewer: CORRECTION. After he suicided
GRRM: Yes, Yes. (This guy can't sugarcoat a thing)
The interviewer sucks
He sure cant... Thats the kind of stuff to better not bring up
1st time here on this channel, but I have to tell that this interview is absolutely fantastic! The questions are perfect and the whole direction in which the interview was going was great! Thank you for posting it,
If Aegon Targaryen is connected to Martin, please convey this: We still love Martin's works and even if he doesn't finish this magnum opus, it's okay. He has given us an amazing epic and it's the journey together that matters, not the destination
Thanks for saying it. Not enough ppl realize this.
I just want the sixth book. It's ok if we don't get the 7th one because there are so many cliffhangers that are eating me away
@@ishaagrawal2174 I know..me too:)
Isha Agrawal Don't you think Winds of Winter _would_ end with the mother of cliffhangers?
I'm going to disagree with this. While I'm eternally grateful to mr.martin, the reason he is famous, the reason he doesnt have to work a 9 to 5 job like everyone else, is because he is a story teller. I believe, firmly, that it is the story tellers job to...tell a story. A whole story. Any thing less, and they become grifters.
guys is a great interviewer and you can tell that just buy how GRRM actually engages with him.
With regards to George Lucas, it seemed like he was at his best when there were other peers to bounce ideas off of to find out what worked and what didn't. The prequels turned out the way they did, in large part, because there was no one to challenge him anymore.
george needed someone to write dialogues and should not made so kid friendly, ither than that its a fine trilogy.
@@aesir1ases64 no that’s not correct
It is sad that she died without knowing who was trying to kill her son.
It is sad that she did not die sooner.
How many mothers, fathers, sons and daughters, young and old were butchered because she decided to kidnap Tyrion. She started the war of the five kings.
She was also the one who sent Ed to Kings Landing. Nah, her fate was just what she deserved.
@@jasonphoenix292 but.... She was opposed to Ed going to the kings landing
@@jasonphoenix292 Oh, shut the fuck up.
@@balabanasireti you cannot defend that action. It was so stupid. Had she not done that the war would have still happened but very differently.
Jason Phoenix It’s true, without her and LittleFinger there is no story. Likely also no Robert’s Rebellion, at least at that specific time.
Cat is great ❤ I miss reading her
I got a bit triggered when the interviewer said he skips chapters to find out what happened to the character he was reading about. And I'm pretty sure George got too.
I mean, he's basically telling him some of his characters are better/more interesting than others. Which obviously is true, but as an author probably not the nicest thing to hear.
@@johnr797 i do that sometimes, and i do with all the characters. it's not about liking one character more than others, it's about curiosity. example: i wanna know what's going to happen to daenerys, but once i come back to the arya's chapter i skipped i will become invested in arya's story again, and maybe wanna read one more chapter about her. davos isn't one of my favorites but one time i read 3 chapters of him cause i was too curious. i read somewhere that jon or daenerys's chapters were published as a separated book before the real book came out, so they can of course be read as separated stories at some extension. some of us just are not so strong against cliffhangers ig. sorry grrm, you made me too curious...
This is awesome. Give us more of this kind of stuff!
4:41 I dont even need to say it. We're all thinking the same thing...
what amazing fan art! absolutely love it
D & D in their quest to subvert the plots, they fell right into the trap and messed it up pretty badly. There was nothing logical and sense about the last few seasons. I hope the ones who are handling House of the Dragons series is more capable than D&D.
Exactly what happened with the Night King. Everyone had predicted Jon and him would have some sort of final battle because it'd been hinted at for seasons spread across YEARS through several books...the entire reason he even came back to life was because of it. The Night King and the Long Night was Jon's entire plotline, everything was being set-up and foreshadowed for the end of Jon's plotline...then boom, Arya appears, and instead of snapping her neck in-half (or instantly freezing her like he did everything else he touched) he watches her stab him.
What was the point of Jon coming back to life again? What was the point of his entire character arc? There was none. Heck, I was actually expecting the two of them to kill one another...the Night King stabs Jon after a lengthy duel, then with the last of his strength Jon stabs him, ends the Long Night, and dies. Maybe even Ghost helps Jon win and the two of them die together, Jon cradling him like he did when Ghost was a pup. Definitely wasn't expecting a happy-ending where everyone lives.
Only character Season 8 did right was Theon.
@@6ixlxrd what? The night king doesn't even exist in the books
I wish these came with an interview date if possible. At least a range would be great, as I am always curious!
Also, who's the interviewer? Great work on his part.
I always thought that her leaving Winterfell was a terrible mistake, and even worse when Rob left.. one of them should have always been at Winterfell.
This was a really insightful video addressing a lot of questions i've had about Martin for a long time. Great stuff!
Great interview and interviewer. I learned a great deal about how GRRM writes his novels. Thank you!
Could you credit the interviewer in the description as well? I would be interested to know that
What a fine interview
I could listen to this guy talk all day.
Lucas I think has a healthy amount of flexibility with his story. He was more focused on what the meaning and purpose of the story was and can it fit within the 'walls' of the 3 films he was making. The heros journey, the relationship with your father, the redemption of evil all stayed constant. Early drafts still began with Anakin and his kids. In film they had to begin shifting and combining characters ex Leia and Lukes twin. By the 3rd movie it wouldn't just not worked to introduce a new character so late. With all the previous history with Vader and her role politically I think it wasn't as issue at all. I enjoy a bit of 'they were right under your nose all along'.
I suppose Catelyn was a... Catalyst.
Alfie ba dum tssss 😂
Boo!!!
I wonder if he did that intentionally
Catalyst... Catelyn. Lysa. Yeah. I see it now.
Ba dum tsss
Hi! Can anyone link me up to the whole interview? If it's available online? Would really love to listen to the whole thing. Thanks so much for uploading this! Love your content!
How prophetic, the ending bit. “We wanted to subvert expectations” S8
Great interviewer
The interviewer mentioned skipping ahead chapters to follow a particular character, and George scolded him for it. It’s a great thing to do on a re-read. If you’re not up to re-reading a whole book or books in the series, just pick a character and only read their chapters. Very interesting and fun.
Sometimes when a voice stops, it's because their death is so unexpected and out of context. They don't see it coming. No one sees it.
Like no one sees the butterfly effect.
We need another "Songs of the Dying Earth" anthology! The first one is mind-blowing!
Thank you George. This helps a lot. I’ll get that book out someday. And I’ll look forward to when you get yours out too.
This is interesting to hear, especially that last bit because most media today is heavily influenced by the consumer… movies, shows, video games or whatever.
Well done interview!!
One of my fave characters. Oh man.
She is just a smart and tough cookie. If just the others had listened to her.
You must be joking. She is neither smart and the entire War started from her being blindly bent on revenge.
she is stupid and always messed up everything
She made mistake upon fucking mistake upon fucking mistake.
What she could screw up, she screwed up. It was her own actions that doomed her family left and right and you call her "smart"? Somewhat tough maybe. Though stubbornly stupid or arrogantly confident would be a better word to put it.
@mattteomatei3610 no. The war started because TYWIN was blindly bent on revenge. She only brought turion to justice, ensured that he was given a fair trial and then released him - all as per the law. Tywin is the one who was thirsty for revenge.
Surprised the characters in that neat drawing are just hanging around him instead of attacking him for making their world and lives so awful
@@brianfinnegan664 not really
BriansWrld I’m not being one of those ‘oh hey it has dragons therefore nothing about it is real’ people, I understand your point and it’s a neat one. I just, as a fellow fan of the franchise, feel that the whole claim of ‘realism’ aspect to the got universe that fans claim is a bit hollow. Realistic would take into account the many logistical errors that pervade the Asoiaf universe that break immersion. It’s all well and such to criticize something as pointless as Aragorn not having a tax plan, but I do not feel that creating a militantly pessimistic universe is the same as making something realistic. Also, people claim that characters are killed randomly before their story arcs are concluded, but that’s not the case, their dying early is always a poetic result of their actions, no amount of foreshadowing was ever really true to real life.
@@brianfinnegan664 again we reveal to each other just how little we disagree. He is indeed very good at it, dare i say the best in the business these days (or before 2011). I just do not consider the world of GoT (especially the books, as the show is far more grounded) to be any more realistic than that of Tolkein. John Flanagan's rangers apprentice series has a better claim to realism, simply because saying that only in viscerally brutal or explicit stories can the depth of human choice and character be realistically explored is untrue. If one accepts that fact and sees just how many instances there already were of that in fiction even before the nineties when the first book was released one sees that the praise being heaped on game of thrones (i think) is because we, as people, love firsts and bests and new things, but in my opinion, GoT is just a remix of a dozen things already done, and it was the creativity involved in mixing the right things that makes it so amazing.
BriansWrld yes, this is what I disagree with. The explicit, abstract evil in Lotr distracts from the conflict within each character, Bilbo’s heroism coupled with his selfishness in regards to the ring. The wizards that ventured into the world with Gandalf all had their choices and they ranged from active rebellion to casual disinterest and omission of their responsibilities. The tragic fate of Faeanor and his sons are another example of the choices made by characters that take them from highs to lows in their individual arcs. Saying other works ignore this fundamental aspect of storytelling is untrue. It is the sheer number of unique and interesting characters, none of which are a clear protagonist that Martin incredibly balances in unique ways that makes the world of GoT feel so lived in and relatable.
Rangers apprentice I only bring up because there are absolutely no supernatural elements to the world. But it’s as if Flanagan (the author) basically used a random fantasy map generator and threw all the cultures of the world at it to see where they would stick, but Though the writing is no where near as good as Martin’s.
So sad listening to him talking about authors who slow or stop writing books late in their career, it will be one of the great crimes of fantasy if ASOIAF does not get completed
The interviewer is enjoying himself so much, it's adorable. I love it when people actually know and care about the work of whom they're interviewing.
I've resigned myself to the idea that he's not going to finish the series. Someone else will have to write the last book.
He already said he wont let anyone finish the series, by law.
@@CrazyWork25 😢
@@CrazyWork25 Great. So we won't get a proper ending, and all we'll have is the horrible TV show ending? That would be a tragedy. He should have chosen an author he trusts and respects to finish the final book if he cannot, like what happened with The Wheel of Time.
Thank you for uploading this! I’m also a bad reader lol I want to skip ahead so bad sometimes and will put a bookmark on the next chapter for the character that I am captivated with at the time.
Great questions by the interviewer here
“It’s taking 20 years to finish his last novel”
You’re getting there George
lol it's looking that way
All i can say is he said Gandalf should've stayed dead. Apparently he missed the silmarillian, and yet he brings catelyn stark back to life for some important gurgling Ha. And thinks the scouring of the shire is allegorical when the man that wrote it specifically says that it does not and proceeds to explain why.
He brings her back but she is hardly the same as she was before
@@mojoe2187 as different as Gandalf the grey and white
I wouldnt say that but hey thats why we like fantasy :D
Great interview!
4:41 Ouch, sounds a bit familiar, George
Lady Stoneheart would have made the show really exciting.
4:18 there is something in kind of prophetic about what he's saying here, isn't there?
I love That this interview ends on appoint made that is exactly why television Game of Thrones ended badly or at least one of the reasons
4:00 he's talking about i am tomatoes directly here lol
That first picture is so neat. Wish I had the source to share!
Good interviewer
Amazing how this interview predicts the Star Was Sequels well before Disney was even on the horizon
They never revealed who sent that assassin to Bran in the show. They never said it was Joffrey of course I knew it was him once I read ASOS but before that I just assumed it was Cersei and/or Jaime.
I thought it was Littlefinger?
One of Georges scripts hinted at it being Joff, but D&D ignored that script note.
mance and his bag o'silver is more likely ... it's right there in the opening of the book.
They never revealed it in the book either.
@@HH-cm5rp and where would Mance have found the dagger? No, it was Joff. Tyrion even figured it out. And besides, what would Mance have gotten out from this? Mance is many things, but not a murderer of children.
Cersei would never harm a child so young, she would have threaten Bran instead and Jamie would have done it himself.
I hope George will be more vocal about his visions for the story and give more interviews about it to 1. set the record straight and 2 shove it more up D&D B
Is George projecting here? I hope he doesn't take another 10 years. The man is 73! Damn.
71, mate
@@Anomandil 71 or not, the mind starts to cognitively decline at 75. And he is considered old by any standard, and is not in the best health with his weight. I hope he can live another 20 years but I am being realistic here. I don't see him finishing a dream of spring. Especially when he has talked about working on Fire and Blood part 2 and another dunk and egg book before Dream of spring. Whatever he writes I will be happy to read but I am not holding my breath here for him finishing a song of ice and fire.
@@TheYankeesUnited perhaps the remaining books won't match the others in quality, but I believe WoW is almost done, and the bar has been significantly lowered by the show I think Winds is going to be excellent and Dream will be complete though not as good
@@TheYankeesUnited I have not heard heard him talk about finishing other novels before Dream, I really hope its not true, perhaps I'm being biased. I just really want to see a satisfactory end to the series. The show bothers me more than I could possibly express in words
nytolstoy Grrm said that fire and blood 2 will come after ADOS, and the dunk and egg story is partially written. I’m fairly optimistic that grrm can finish the series.
The bit about writer hell doesnt really apply to him. GRRM hasnt stopped writing, he just hasnt release winds. He's put out many books since dance.
She really was the favorite next to Tyrion.
The interviewer got prophetic at the end
The voices went silent for GRRM with Winds of Winter.
Untrue, you're not looking at the factors at play, either way he's close to releasing it so we'll see.
Very good👍 video👍
This was great is the full interview anywhere ?
15:00 "The answer to that is revealed in the third book", *immediately throws up a picture of Joffrey*
I get my best ideas when I go to sleep
I love how he's talking about authors who lose their sparks and can't finish a book, often dying before it's finished. With.. zero introspection. Haha..... 😬
@@superninjaraidingman In editing books and expanding upon the established history of his own world. Sure.
@Jonathan Jones Ok thank you Jonathan Jones. I will do that.
I feel this. My plan for Staymaker (historical Kent and Sussex smugglers) a character was supposed to be there at the end, to give evidence ...But he decided to run his mouth off a lot earlier , and ended up leaving the protagonist little choice but murder.
Ironic how he talks about how other writers cant finish a story 🤣
he has finished plenty of massively complex, long books.
Guy has been writing novels for like 40 years
4:20 geez I hope he's not talking about himself! Don't overthink it George!
4:40 Suddenly he is taking twenty years to complete his last novel, and it is still not compete - GRRM critiquing another author in this old interview. Careful, George. It is now ten years since A dance with dragons.
It's sad. I don't think he was critiquing him. Just observing and even maybe concerned for himself
Well he's still writing and releasing books just not winds of winter
17:02 gotta disagree here. Vater is German for father and Lucas heavily pulled from the Weimar Republic and the rise of the Third Reich when creating Star Wars. This is seen much more in the Prequels, but it would be very, very coincidental to name your villian a word for father and have his title be a play on dark. Dark Father, Dark Vater, Darth Vader.
Most people don't speak German
lol damn, Dumb and Dumber made me forget that Catelyn was on the show.
Bookmark this interview for the next time someone tells you Littlefinger sent the assassin
I don’t like Cat, but I’ll share this from my personal life in her defence, I have an older half-brother, and when I got older I was surprised that my mom didn’t push my dad to sponsor him to join us (we’re from a very poor country where life is really hard). I’ll be honest, it disappointed me from a moral view. Where I have an aunt who always insisted that her husband bring their outside kids in the home, and she raised them with love (and that whole tribe of siblings are loyal to one another, and they love their stepmom). Now, I have another aunt...yes her husband’s outside came to live with her, but she treated them not well. People are people, their gray
Who is the interviewer? His voice has an enthralling, Carl Sagan-like quality to it that I find wonderful to listen to. Anyone know?
what i will say is there's a good chance the dream of spring wouldn't take more than 5 years
meaning he probably is doing that work too
Definitely would love to know who this interviwere is and when it was done
Geez, this conversation is so telling now. People say ASOIAF will never get finished. I think it will, but I doubt it will be Martin who finishes it.
Any chance someone knows what this interview is from?
Would like to know too!
Why are most of your videos privated now ?
Stumbling on this after seeing the final interview for the game of thrones tv series, where the show writers went outta their way to do just this is ironic lol
Who is the interviewer and when did this interview take place?
I really think not finishing the series in GRRMs greatest fear.
A friend of mine noticed something about me: weirdly enough i was able to quote kat Word for Word in The game of thrones series up until she died. I dont know why but i guess i have a soul Bond with her or something
@@emiliawaldmann2109 what is it, "cat"? I dont have subtitles and Im not too much of a rader so i havent really read The books.
The audio kills me
Aegon Targaryen is it ok with you if we were to cite some if the vids you put together for quotes from Martin?
As a secondary source
And to give credit where credit is due, since you are uploading other people's work. It's pretty scummy to take and use other people's work and profit off of it without at least giving them credit.
@@theshadowfax239 Very true!
@@theshadowfax239 I was thinking in terms of relating what Martin is saying in this particular vid to stuff hes written in ASOIAF
@@sabrinakrisb4672 Probably better to find the original interview, which I would also love to find. I hate that this UA-camr doesn't ever put where and when the interviews he uploads are from in his descriptions. It seems the least he could do for using their content, honestly. I'm appreciative of him sharing the interviews, of course, but I feel it's not right for him to not credit the sources.
When was this interview?
Man catelyn was my favourite female character
Maybe not externally but internally she sufferd the most in the books.
I have yet to read the books, but she was definitely a "good" character in the show. And I loved her appearance as well, homely yet attractive and intelligent, the long hair, etc.
This goes both ways, book readers had an idea of how things should've turned out as well, and they bitched when things didn't go how they hoped, and theorized. Objectively, the last season did feel rushed, but I don't have an issue with how it all ended. The only real issue I've had with the series is everything with to do with Dorne (minus the Red Viper). They changed that up way too much, and ended up butchering what could've been a great story line.
I mean you're free to like the ending, but a majority of people bitched not because they "didn't get what they wanted", but because the last two seasons were poorly written, and the characters were reduced to one dimensional cartoonish versions of themselves. Don't even get me started on the Others/White Walker plot.
What was that about Indiana Jones; I wasn’t familiar with that critique about it piling on. Did he mean the whole franchise? He seemed to lose Martin as well with that analogy.
Catelyn wouldnt send a messenger to Kings Landing, she would go herself.
Also Catelyn: fucks off to Kings landing leaving 3 of her sons behind at Winterfell one of them in coma, the same one that narrowly escapes an assassination attempt and might need his mother if he wakes up, simply on a whim that the Lannisters might have sent the killer. No big deal.
16:30 Ya but in my opinion those "audience influenced" changes were pretty good, imo.
Depends. Sometimes it's necessary just due to time and logistics of tv vs paper.
George was right about Luke and Leia, wrong about Vader.
Anyone found the interview source yet?
When He was talking about his fear, that the voices in his head would become silent and writing would become more and more difficult. Maybe he is already struggling with this.
What's wrong with the second Indiana Jones movie? Uh, nothing!!
Also, I agree with GRRM about George Lucas "changing" Star Wars' stories between each successive film 1980 and 1983. It always seemed weird to me that Vader turns out to be Luke's father...just didn't fit especially after Obi Wan said Vader killed Luke's father. I think that would have been way more interesting than to find out Luke and Vader were related. But that my opinion. And later, when Lucas brought in the "looking at everything through a certain point of view thing", it just seemed kind of lame to me. Just my opinion though. .
But Vader's very name means "father" in Dutch, so that's pretty clearly premeditated. I don't think Lucas did much pandering to the fans in his work, he was too self-absorbed. :)
@@MravacKid The Father/Vader connection is a great point. But being from that time period I remember many thinking it weird that DV claimed to be LS's dad. Overall, still love those original SW flicks...before GL started to mess with them later on. Personally didn't care for the prequels -- except Ewan as young Kenobi -- and didn't really care for the new SW movies. Did like Solo and the Mandalorian though.
Vader and the twins were always the original characters, it was just that he wasn't Vader, just Anakin originally. Leia wasn't Luke's twin, but it wouldn't have worked to force in another character so late so the characters got combined. The certain point of view is pivotal at showing the hypocrisy of the Jedi.
That's fair that it's your opinion. You are most welcome to have it. I just disagree on almost every level.
‘Authors lie and characters lie...’
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I think Martin is on George Lucas first plans for Star Wars wrong.