He's like the smart kid in class who's trying to fail out of spite where in order to get every incorrect answer that means they had to know what every correct answer was to avoid them
Cimo[...]o is really hard on himself for missing guesses, but everything he says up until his final guess is usually scarily on point. Like clairvoyant level on point.
@Kasaaz Yes, because if you use Madness you discard the card into exile instead of the graveyard. Tinybones doesn't see it hit the yard so it doesn't work
@@Metal_Maoist This is correct. The specific reason is because madness is a replacement effect which puts the discarded card directly into exile instead of the graveyard. That's why Tinybones doesn't even see it.
Looking at dates is interesting. The first 6 rabbits are: - Kezzerdrix (1997, black) - Jackalope Herd (1998, green) - Zodiac (1999, green) - Vizzerdrix (1999, blue) - kwain (2020, Blue/White legendary) - Rabbit battery (2022, red) Funny that its primary a white creature type now edit: correcting the red one release date
RE: Wishclaw Talisman - Wishclaw Talisman saw play in Storm decks in Legacy for quite some time. The downside doesnt matter if your opponent doesn't get a turn. Nowadays it has been outclassed by Beseech the Mirror, but it was a good card for a fair amount of time.
It also saw widespread competitive play in cEDH, where the downside of giving it to an opponent was actually upside in two situations: 1) if you played Dockside Extortionist, it gave you an extra treasure, and 2) you could make deals with opponents to give them the Talisman if they gave it back to you, giving you 2 tutors for only 4 mana. Also specific commanders like Breya can just sacrifice it before it gets handed off.
"The downside doesn't matter if your opponent doesn't get a turn" actually rings very true in Yugioh. Some nasty cards with reciprocal effects or potentially beneficial element for the opponent saw play and got banned because of this exact clause, a couple that comes to mind immediately are Cold Wave (which is actually featured on the video CGB referenced as their latest collab on Cimo's channel) and Red Reboot
Having people on to evaluate magic cards is my favorite version of UA-cam's card game cinematic universe. I also really appreciate the editor who is looking up and displaying the Yu-Gi-Oh cards that Cimo mentions.
What's great with magic's mana system is how it informs about intent. It's also not just a cost, it paces the game as well. And because it's a budget, it also dictate tempo. And the color identity is the cherry on top, because it hints at your play style like a fighting stance. So much of the state of the game is inferred from the player's mana state or identity alone.
Yes! And the tension! The tension of how many lands and what types or specific versions to put in your deck, how many utility lands. The tension of keeping a gassed hand with just one or two lands, will you draw that one more you need? The tension of seeing two untapped islands, or a single white mana available, or a black and one or two more. The tension of seeing the green player's land count just keep going up, bracing for what's coming or frantically trying to finish them off... lands can be frustrating but they also make the game what it is.
I don't know if you read the comments or not, but it would be fun to see cimoo seeing classic mtg cards that are never out of fashion and have him guess when they were last legal in standard, ex: thunderbolt, brainstorm, rampant growth, llanowar elves, birds of paradise, counterspell, etc.
33:10 "I was there, Gandalf. I was there 3000 years ago. I was there when the Hidetsugu devoured his demonic patron and transcended mortality in a fit of rage."
Second Rite was even worse way back when because there was still mana burn, so your opponent could just intentionally lose life whenever they wanted. I remember some crackpot theorist argued that its existence made red decks better without even playing it because it would be technically correct for your opponents to occasionally burn themselves for one just to preclude the possibility of getting Second Rited but I don't think anyone ever actually did that in practice.
Second Rite did see play back then, though. There was a Boros deck in Kami/Rav standard that only played even damage spells so they could kill you with this (potentially after a wrath).
12:07 if anything, about Hare Apparent, Yu-Gi-Oh has the opposite mechanic cards like a Legendary Ocean and the Harpie Lady ## have text that makes them be treated as having the same name as another card during deck creation, so they share the 3-copies limited between these cards and their "originals"
The 10th Ed version of Time Stop is really awesome: On the foil version, it removes the flavor text and puts the card effect right in the middle, so it's very stark and obvious. It's beautiful.
A bunch of Hare apparent with anything that does damage when creatures enter, Arabella, cards that destroy creatures above power x etc is fun to play on arena in brawl so far
Cheetahs are actually closer to house cats than to Lions or Tigers, Felidae (all cats) is split into sub categories, Lions and Tigers are in Pantherinae, and House Cats and Cheetahs are in Felinae.
Is interesting that formats in Magic are based around, “Cards printed since a certain point.” But the other formats I’ve heard about for Yugioh are all, “Cards printed before a certain point.”
That's mostly because in YuGiOh, "cards printed since a certain point" kinda doesn't work because of powercreep. So instead we focus on specific banlists/tournaments/points in time.
Magic has had the advantage that it has had substantial *depowerings* across its history, and modern cards tend to have limitations, costs, and restrictions older cards did not. Further, Magic has been fairly careful in adding new card types, with Planeswalkers being probably the only new card type to rise above the limited 'gimmick' status. Yugioh has added entirely new card types throughout its run, and the resulting power creep has been *breathtaking.* Further, each new mechanic can be seen as a response to the prior mechanic, to make them in many ways substantially better than what came before. Thus, Magic gets more powerful and more genetically useful the further you go back, while early Yugioh is practically a different game compared to modern play.
@@watchm4ker I think it's an effect of starting early with rotation. The longer without, the more you have to power creep, etc. It's not wrong, just interesting different way to do it.
I got a bone to pick with you GovertGoBlue. your channel initials are CGB, but this is disrespectful of MTG players; because Blue is not "B" it is a "U" so your channels initials should instead be CGU for the honesty and transparency this channel deserves.
@Faude18 he isn't CovertGoBlack (CGB) he is CoverGoBlue (CGU). Though maybe that would elicit a different audience, and people might correlate to CommonGreenBlue...
@@gardian06_85 counterpoint, there's a Yugioh content creator with the name MBT who used to play Magic, and the actually does come from Mono Blue Tron though one could argue the identity has shifted to Marincess Blue Tang. I guess if nothing else he gets a pass since he doesn't do Magic stuff anymore
I believe the first rabbit ever printed (by errata) is Kezzerdrix from Tempest, but the first creature printed with Rabbit on the type line is Zodiac Rabbit from Portal Three Kingdoms
Something I do love about Hidetsugu's Second Rite: Canadian Higlander player Nelson Salahub has a copy of Hidetsugu's second rite that has been signed by each player it has been killed (in Canadian Highlander). I've never seen him play it myself, but supposedly people started playing the Ice Age pain lands like Adarkar wastes, desperately trying to dodge the second rite. The card has a lot of signatures.
Hare Apparent in commander will be fun because you have a lot of support cards that are not in standard. Thrumming stone, Etb doublers, Token doublers, Bloodbond March, secret salvage, Remembrance. Depending on you colours. Tutoring or looping them is pretty easy. My shadow born apostle deck does similar things only it goes for powerful demons and reanimation loops instead of go wide and hit face.
RE: Niv-Mizzet, Visionary. Fun fact - Niv-Mizzet is a recurring character. This version of Niv-Mizzet goes infinite with two previous iterations of himself (Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind and Niv-Mizzet, Parun). Edit: NVM he got there in the video lol
I've only encountered Hare Apparent once on arena. I board wiped and thought that was simply the end of it. But my opponent kept milling while my deck was being slow, and then they eventually used Awaken the Past to revive a bunch of Hare Apparents, a guy that gained them life every time a creature entered, and that bloomburrow bat that deals damage to the opponent everytime you gain life. I was disintegrated.
Jackalope Herd was originally a beast, and was later errata'd to be a rabbit beast. If that counts, the first rabbit was Kezzerdrix from 1997's Tempest, which was also later errata'd from beast to rabbit beast. The first creature that was actually originally printed with the rabbit type was Zodiac Rabbit from 1999's Portal Three kingdoms.
@@NeostormXLMAX I love that collab but just no. They have good chemistry but that collab was mostly mocking yugioh because team aps went out of their way to show the silliest card for someone unfamiliar with the game to see. The commander match was fun but the yugioh side of the collab was just a mess. Cimo and CGB (and LSV on Cimo's channel) is far better collaboration for me because they try to be fair to each other while still having fun. Feels more like appreciation of the games and their differences unlike the team aps collab where it was more look how bad yugioh is (though I guess thats most of team aps content and community now)
@@sammydray5919 Credits where credit's due, Cimo's take on cross-TCG card review are actually much enjoyable because it's laid down to be a long series. It's almost like he's building a tutorial in the form of these collabs for CGB and LSV that they slowly accumulate knowledge of a different cardgame without actually playing it unlike other channels that just shove extra deck cards and give the bare minimum explanation.
@@jamesaditya5254 Yup. Its why his cross tcg collabs actually work really well for both sides because he goes about it in this way. I enjoy team aps and their collab was fun but it felt so one sided because they just went full in picking up the off hand choices with not much built up or explanation. Evaluating cards from other games can be fun but only as long as its done in a way that allows you to atleast comprehend whats going on. Otherwise there is just nothing but blind guesses which gets old fast unfortunately.
Wishclaw Talisman was also a staple in Eternal formats in combo decks. A three-mana tutor that says "You have to win this turn" was good enough, especially because you can divide the mana, so you have a lot of resources the turn you go off.
I mean, one of the main reasons behind why I like Hare Apparent is that it plays like a storm-ish enabler in Baylen the Haymaker. The tokens draw you cards, net you mana, and you can win on the spot with stuff like Eerie Interlude, Impact Tremors, Warleader's Call, or stuff like Confusion in the Ranks. The card enables you to do some pretty messed up stuff in what's otherwise just another go wide, drop Craterhoof, and hit everyone with an army of 24/24 Trampling Rabbits. Once you have 5 hare apparents in play, you can start drawing cards and making mana. at 7, the Hare Apparents pay for themselves. Its arguably the more easily abused "You can play any of this" cards in the game, specifically because it makes *tokens*.
55:44 yugioh actually was quite a few effects that skip to end phase effectively ending your opponent turn, from old cards (like neko mane king, from 2003) to quite new cards (like veda kalarcanum, released just last year) now the reason cimoooo probably doesn’t remember them is because they usually come with really weird and difficult activation requirements lol
It’s crazy how everyone forgets that Diabolic intent is a 2 mana tutor legal in standard. I’m still shocked that I’ve never seen it even cast in pioneer despite the existence of sac heavy decks
The first rabbit in MTG was Kezzerdrix. Tempest, Rare, monoblack and terrifying art. The second rabbit was Jackalope Herd, Exodus, 1998 monogreen creature. Third was Zodiac Rabbit, followed by what I thought was the first rabbit, Vizzerdrix also in 1999. Also terrifying art. Then no more rabbits until 2020, and in the last 4 years they released 32 more rabbits, creating the archetype of "spam out many small rabbits and eat the enemy with them"
As someone who used to play Magic, that 1st card alone is already mean. It's like "I don't remember this card" but it could've been in Weatherlight or Alara and it's like yeah sure. It's not only so basic in general, it's so basic IN GREEN WHITE in particular. It's the little dudes color combo, it's the token guys color combo, White at a minimum already has had similar cards, etc.
Demonic Tutor was legal in Standard (Type II at the time) when I started playing during Revised. It was restricted, like Fork and Channel and Regrowth etc.
34:54 : I think CGB should have corrected Cimo here. If casting Talisman resolves, the opponent has no window to interact with it if the owner wants to use it immediately. This would then put its effect on the stack (e.g. the opponent does not get priority after casting the card resolves). The opponent could then destroy it but that would make no sense, as that prevents him from getting it. And even if he does, Talisman's effect is already on the stack and would still resolve.
I think that's a subtle difference between the rules of Magic and Yu-Gi-Oh that he's not aware of. (To be honest, I only know about it because of videos like this one.) Apparently (and don't quote me on this because I'm not a Yu-Gi-Oh player), in Yu-Gi-Oh, when a card is about to enter play, you have a window to respond to the card itself entering before its effects become active. The equivalent interaction in Magic is on the stack only: once the permanent enters the battlefield, unless there's a trigger, you have no window to interact - funnily enough, that "unless there's a trigger" has been used at times to _create_ such a window (Omnath, Locus of Creation comes to mind, where the designers specifically said that they wanted some ETB effect so the opponent could kill it in response).
There is one Yugioh card similar to Time Stop. Neko Mane King. Which is a Yugioh Monster (think creature) that when it is put from the owner's control to their graveyard during the opponent's turn it becomes the End Phase. It can be sent to the graveyard from the hand or from the deck and it activates. It's been a niche card in a few formats where there were decks that either destroyed their opponent's hand or when cards that would mill the deck were common.
16:57 My personal Hare Apparent brew is 44 Hares and 18 plains I’ve played it about 15 times… and I think I’ve only lost twice? It’s definitely the best of the ‘play any number’ cards, because it solves the second main problem of the strategy. That being, these creatures don’t have evasion, so how do you get through? The answer with Hare is that you just go so wide that there’s enough bodies to just get past. It doesn’t solve the main issue, that being removal utterly curbs your snowball and can be an effective loss on turn 2/3 when you get your creature removed
You should cut two rabbits and go to 60 :P But anyway, I think just about any deck runs some way of killing a 2/2 before turn 3? I can't think of a reasonably competitive deck that wouldn't. Maaaaaaybe some mono red or red/white aggro brews, but those will kill you before you build your board, anyway.
Demonic Tutor was legal in standard, but it was restricted to one copy. This was about 30 years ago. If I recall, it was legal all through 3rd edition being in standard.
Hare Apparent can be fun! I made one for Standard where the goal is to play a bit of tempo/minor control, til you can get down any two of Warleader's Call, Enduring Courage, or Calamity, alongside however many Hares you can stick. Obviously this is fun! I do kind of dread eventually coming across someone doing it in Commander, precisely because I think people would think the Hare is the point when no, the Hare is the fuel for whatever it is you're doing to win - you do have a coherent plan to win, right? And to protect your plan and/or stop others winning before you do, right? (but these are widespread issues in Commander deck-building)
In Pioneer/Explorer, Niv's Parun and Visionary in Izzet Creativity is pretty fun. And, if the Creativity resolves, you either go infinite on your next draw step or at instant speed if they try to remove the Niv(s).
CGB: "Your favorite animal is Rhinos? Imma save that for later..." So, he is either making him a Ghired, Perry, Roon or Mr.Orfeo deck, place your bets in.
13:42 So! The earliest card I can find that was printed with the Rabbit subtype is Zodiac Rabbit from Portal Three Kingdoms. However, Kezzerdrix is the earliest card that I can find whose creature type was erratad to include Rabbit, and that's from Tempest. I would argue that Zodiac Rabbit was still the first Rabbit to be printed, but I see the argument for Kezzerdrix. FYI the Scryfall search I used for this was t:rabbit not:reprint, and I then sorted by Release Date.
Hidetsugu's second rite makes more sense when you consider Hidetsugu, the legendary creature - he has a tap ability that halves everyone's life totals. This card is there for flavor and it's perfect. Also, come on, Trix was a good deck for its time and it was basically cat pact in blue. Should've mentioned it.
I can see one scenario where people would try to play a Yugioh equivalent card to Hidetsugu's Second Rite. And of course, it's for an FTK. Number 6: Chronomaly Atlandis can be feasibly Xyz summoned on turn 1 with its effect's conditions met, and it is the only card in the game (that I can find) that does not require battle, waiting, or for your opponent to do anything in particular in order to halve their LP. And from there, you'd just throw this card, deal an effective 4k effect damage and done. I doubt it'd be good, it'd be very gimmicky and bricky, but it'd be the kind of thing jokers and bots on Master Duel would likely attempt every so often to make people's lives miserable.
Is there a community in Magic, simmilar to the Hearhtstone one that makes good custom cards? It would be funny to make cimooooo guess if it is a real card or not!
Hidetsugu's Second Rite was a 1-of in my Boros Sunforger deck in OG Ravnica Standard. Surprising how often it nuked someone from a comfortable 10. All star as a 1 of.
Ooooh, I too thought Arahbo was okd, which turns out to be only half true. The Arahbo I was thinking of was Roar of the World, that precon Commander from way back when, who came out in the same set of precons that gave us THE Ur-Dragon. So, we did have an Arahbo, but this is a new version.
I am a huge Hidetsugu fan and even have a EDH deck with him as the commander. Saw this card and was hyped to try to build with it for the ultimate embarrassing 1 shot out of no where. The functionality even now still doesn't work. If you play a deck with pingers you might just burn someone past 10, if they have life gain they fuck the strat up with anything they do, in the deck I was trying to run it I comboed it with all the when you play a noncreature this does 1 etc. and I realized there might be a scenario where I could play second rite, but if they have like exactly 10, I accidently ping them for 1 on the cast and then they aren't at 10. ugh a miserable defeat of a deck build for standard. That being said it did birth a moderately hilarious Ojer Axonil burn deck thats kinda got some power behind it. But yeah RIP everyone now and before that tried to make Hidetsugu's second rite work.
Ahhh, the reaction to Hare Apparent was pretty funny. So, Cimo, Magic Players are weird, and we really enjoy brewing weird decks using one of the dozen or so cards that have that "Any Number in your deck"' clause. I played Relentless Rats dot Deck back in the day, which is very similar - you can have any number in your deck and they get +1/+1 for each other creature you control with the same name. It was a silly swarm deck that could occasionally win games.
20:30 Probably the closest thing to this would be Kashtira Arise-Heart (exiling opponent's cards and using them as a resource), and that card is beyond busted.
according to scryfall the first rabbit is kezzerdrix from Tempest. However that is an errata it's printed as a summon beast. The first printed rabbit is the zodiac rabbit from portals 3K
Cimo cracks me up, He sees the rakes, he acknowledges that he's about to step on the rake, then steps right on it.
It's honestly kinda amazing how he figures out the correct answer, and still gets it wrong.
I think this is why this series is so entertaining to me
He's like the smart kid in class who's trying to fail out of spite where in order to get every incorrect answer that means they had to know what every correct answer was to avoid them
Cimo is me when it comes to playing into counterspells. I knew you had it, but what if you didn't.
@@ConnorGrummer"always pick C. Except when the answer's C"
Well if it isn't my favorite people, Mesa Falcon Guy and Dingus Egg!
"mesa falcoon guy and the dingus egg" sounds like a great comedy duo name imho 🤣🤣🤣🤣
out of context, it sounds like a father-son duo
Cimo[...]o is really hard on himself for missing guesses, but everything he says up until his final guess is usually scarily on point. Like clairvoyant level on point.
Up to and including deducing the exact name of previous iterations of a dragon on a card lol
it's 8 Os
Small correction but Tinybones doesn't actually stop graveyard triggers. It specifically says that the cards get exiled from the graveyard
Could you play a Madness card before Tinybones exiles it?
@Kasaaz Yes, because if you use Madness you discard the card into exile instead of the graveyard. Tinybones doesn't see it hit the yard so it doesn't work
@@Metal_Maoist This is correct. The specific reason is because madness is a replacement effect which puts the discarded card directly into exile instead of the graveyard. That's why Tinybones doesn't even see it.
13:33 In yu-gi-oh, playing with a rabbit that turns into dinosaurs used to be meta defining.
Indeed it was. I was there. 🤣
Cimo is a grifter who is bad at the game so dont expect him to remember
Kezzerdrix is the first Rabbit (but it was erratad to be that). The first one printed as a Rabbit is Zodiac Rabbit.
Vizzerdrix was the first rabbit I saw in mtg, hate to be the wizard that created them lol
Looking at dates is interesting. The first 6 rabbits are:
- Kezzerdrix (1997, black)
- Jackalope Herd (1998, green)
- Zodiac (1999, green)
- Vizzerdrix (1999, blue)
- kwain (2020, Blue/White legendary)
- Rabbit battery (2022, red)
Funny that its primary a white creature type now
edit: correcting the red one release date
I had some kezzerdrix!! Thy for reminding 😊
@Cimoooooooo A word of advice when determining how old a card is: If the name is a bad pun, it's new.
Excluding silver borders
Apes of Rath
I love how spot on he was with anthem effects. He literally only missed with saying glorious anthem was 2 [W] instead of 1 [W][W].
He also suggested it was maybe a green enchantment, and then CGB didn't show him Gaea's Anthem, which I think was a big miss.
I think this being a podcast episode is a bit odd but I always enjoy this format.
"I resent being called a complainer!" - CGB, Known complainer
He complained about being called a complainer 😂
RE: Wishclaw Talisman - Wishclaw Talisman saw play in Storm decks in Legacy for quite some time. The downside doesnt matter if your opponent doesn't get a turn.
Nowadays it has been outclassed by Beseech the Mirror, but it was a good card for a fair amount of time.
It also saw widespread competitive play in cEDH, where the downside of giving it to an opponent was actually upside in two situations: 1) if you played Dockside Extortionist, it gave you an extra treasure, and 2) you could make deals with opponents to give them the Talisman if they gave it back to you, giving you 2 tutors for only 4 mana.
Also specific commanders like Breya can just sacrifice it before it gets handed off.
"The downside doesn't matter if your opponent doesn't get a turn" actually rings very true in Yugioh. Some nasty cards with reciprocal effects or potentially beneficial element for the opponent saw play and got banned because of this exact clause, a couple that comes to mind immediately are Cold Wave (which is actually featured on the video CGB referenced as their latest collab on Cimo's channel) and Red Reboot
Having people on to evaluate magic cards is my favorite version of UA-cam's card game cinematic universe. I also really appreciate the editor who is looking up and displaying the Yu-Gi-Oh cards that Cimo mentions.
Love watching Cimo reverse engineer the existence of Glorious Anthem (and Gaea's Anthem) from Anthem of Champions lol.
What's great with magic's mana system is how it informs about intent. It's also not just a cost, it paces the game as well. And because it's a budget, it also dictate tempo. And the color identity is the cherry on top, because it hints at your play style like a fighting stance.
So much of the state of the game is inferred from the player's mana state or identity alone.
Yes! And the tension! The tension of how many lands and what types or specific versions to put in your deck, how many utility lands. The tension of keeping a gassed hand with just one or two lands, will you draw that one more you need? The tension of seeing two untapped islands, or a single white mana available, or a black and one or two more. The tension of seeing the green player's land count just keep going up, bracing for what's coming or frantically trying to finish them off... lands can be frustrating but they also make the game what it is.
"my favorite animal is a rhino"
Siege Rhino inc next video
I don't know if you read the comments or not, but it would be fun to see cimoo seeing classic mtg cards that are never out of fashion and have him guess when they were last legal in standard, ex: thunderbolt, brainstorm, rampant growth, llanowar elves, birds of paradise, counterspell, etc.
I am absolutely giving him the win on #1 for correctly predicting the existence of Glorious Anthem
Some of my first memories of Magic involve a Rabbit that was actually a Beast. That is, the commercials with Vizzerdrix.
33:10 "I was there, Gandalf. I was there 3000 years ago. I was there when the Hidetsugu devoured his demonic patron and transcended mortality in a fit of rage."
Second Rite was even worse way back when because there was still mana burn, so your opponent could just intentionally lose life whenever they wanted.
I remember some crackpot theorist argued that its existence made red decks better without even playing it because it would be technically correct for your opponents to occasionally burn themselves for one just to preclude the possibility of getting Second Rited but I don't think anyone ever actually did that in practice.
Second Rite did see play back then, though. There was a Boros deck in Kami/Rav standard that only played even damage spells so they could kill you with this (potentially after a wrath).
@@FalseHerald Yeah, wanted to say that. It saw competitive play as far I know.
Cimooooooooooo: "Why am I back here?!"
Valid feeling 🤣
just to suffer :p
Emotional Damage dont heal fast
12:07 if anything, about Hare Apparent, Yu-Gi-Oh has the opposite mechanic
cards like a Legendary Ocean and the Harpie Lady ## have text that makes them be treated as having the same name as another card during deck creation, so they share the 3-copies limited between these cards and their "originals"
Cimooooo talking about Niv Mizzet and mentioning “a guy, a guy reborn”… he’s a prophet!
The 10th Ed version of Time Stop is really awesome: On the foil version, it removes the flavor text and puts the card effect right in the middle, so it's very stark and obvious. It's beautiful.
A bunch of Hare apparent with anything that does damage when creatures enter, Arabella, cards that destroy creatures above power x etc is fun to play on arena in brawl so far
Cheetahs are actually closer to house cats than to Lions or Tigers, Felidae (all cats) is split into sub categories, Lions and Tigers are in Pantherinae, and House Cats and Cheetahs are in Felinae.
Is interesting that formats in Magic are based around, “Cards printed since a certain point.” But the other formats I’ve heard about for Yugioh are all, “Cards printed before a certain point.”
That's mostly because in YuGiOh, "cards printed since a certain point" kinda doesn't work because of powercreep. So instead we focus on specific banlists/tournaments/points in time.
Magic has had the advantage that it has had substantial *depowerings* across its history, and modern cards tend to have limitations, costs, and restrictions older cards did not. Further, Magic has been fairly careful in adding new card types, with Planeswalkers being probably the only new card type to rise above the limited 'gimmick' status.
Yugioh has added entirely new card types throughout its run, and the resulting power creep has been *breathtaking.* Further, each new mechanic can be seen as a response to the prior mechanic, to make them in many ways substantially better than what came before.
Thus, Magic gets more powerful and more genetically useful the further you go back, while early Yugioh is practically a different game compared to modern play.
@@watchm4ker I think it's an effect of starting early with rotation. The longer without, the more you have to power creep, etc. It's not wrong, just interesting different way to do it.
@@SilverRevolt7699nah is because konami doesn’t artificially inflate prices to please collectors like with wizards
@@watchm4keryugioh has depowerings too, this game has actually gotten much slower since 2019 or 2015 when they were peaks
I got a bone to pick with you GovertGoBlue. your channel initials are CGB, but this is disrespectful of MTG players; because Blue is not "B" it is a "U" so your channels initials should instead be CGU for the honesty and transparency this channel deserves.
CGB Is a better sounding abbreviation.
@Faude18 he isn't CovertGoBlack (CGB) he is CoverGoBlue (CGU). Though maybe that would elicit a different audience, and people might correlate to CommonGreenBlue...
@@gardian06_85 counterpoint, there's a Yugioh content creator with the name MBT who used to play Magic, and the actually does come from Mono Blue Tron though one could argue the identity has shifted to Marincess Blue Tang. I guess if nothing else he gets a pass since he doesn't do Magic stuff anymore
if we wanna be really annoying it should really be UGC so it's in the correct order (blue, green, colorless)
you can’t even spell guardian 😂
The Niv Mizzet Reborn interaction was great!
I believe the first rabbit ever printed (by errata) is Kezzerdrix from Tempest, but the first creature printed with Rabbit on the type line is Zodiac Rabbit from Portal Three Kingdoms
The first rabbit was called The Fur-st Rabbit, a 1/1 1 white white creature. Text: dies to doom blade
Cimo talking about "Monster Reborn Reborn" makes me think of The Meathook Massacre 2. Lol
You should do the guessing game with cimo with specifically WUBRG-costed spells, just because they're all silly flashy "boss monster" effects
1:20:17 I don't believe him
Something I do love about Hidetsugu's Second Rite:
Canadian Higlander player Nelson Salahub has a copy of Hidetsugu's second rite that has been signed by each player it has been killed (in Canadian Highlander). I've never seen him play it myself, but supposedly people started playing the Ice Age pain lands like Adarkar wastes, desperately trying to dodge the second rite. The card has a lot of signatures.
Love the podcasts! (so far...and yes there are only 2...but im a dude I always pop early that how we are built).
Hare Apparent in commander will be fun because you have a lot of support cards that are not in standard. Thrumming stone, Etb doublers, Token doublers, Bloodbond March, secret salvage, Remembrance. Depending on you colours. Tutoring or looping them is pretty easy. My shadow born apostle deck does similar things only it goes for powerful demons and reanimation loops instead of go wide and hit face.
RE: Niv-Mizzet, Visionary. Fun fact - Niv-Mizzet is a recurring character. This version of Niv-Mizzet goes infinite with two previous iterations of himself (Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind and Niv-Mizzet, Parun).
Edit: NVM he got there in the video lol
I now need a card game youtube musical parody of Little Shop with Cimo as the main love interest just to hear a full version of "Suddenly Cimo"
Love the longer form talking videos
I've only encountered Hare Apparent once on arena. I board wiped and thought that was simply the end of it. But my opponent kept milling while my deck was being slow, and then they eventually used Awaken the Past to revive a bunch of Hare Apparents, a guy that gained them life every time a creature entered, and that bloomburrow bat that deals damage to the opponent everytime you gain life. I was disintegrated.
For anyone curious. The first Rabbit in MTG was printed in 1998 in Exodus. Jackalope Herd.
this information is vital
Jackalope Herd was originally a beast, and was later errata'd to be a rabbit beast. If that counts, the first rabbit was Kezzerdrix from 1997's Tempest, which was also later errata'd from beast to rabbit beast. The first creature that was actually originally printed with the rabbit type was Zodiac Rabbit from 1999's Portal Three kingdoms.
@@Zeckenschwarm no, THIS is vital information
the first thing that came to my mind is the infamous 'vizzerdrix', but i think that's a beast and not a rabbit, right?
@@Unicron187 Vizzerdrix was also originally printed as a beast (in 1999) and later errata'd to be a rabbit beast.
I mean you CAN loop Time Stop. Isoscepter+narsets reversal+unwinding clock
But your just ending ur own turn. What good does that?
@dazbonez3109 it hardlocks your opponents and you can end each of their turns
The best duo that is bridging the gap between Magic and Yugioh
I would say team aps and the professor is better
@@NeostormXLMAX I love that collab but just no. They have good chemistry but that collab was mostly mocking yugioh because team aps went out of their way to show the silliest card for someone unfamiliar with the game to see. The commander match was fun but the yugioh side of the collab was just a mess.
Cimo and CGB (and LSV on Cimo's channel) is far better collaboration for me because they try to be fair to each other while still having fun. Feels more like appreciation of the games and their differences unlike the team aps collab where it was more look how bad yugioh is (though I guess thats most of team aps content and community now)
@@sammydray5919 Credits where credit's due, Cimo's take on cross-TCG card review are actually much enjoyable because it's laid down to be a long series. It's almost like he's building a tutorial in the form of these collabs for CGB and LSV that they slowly accumulate knowledge of a different cardgame without actually playing it unlike other channels that just shove extra deck cards and give the bare minimum explanation.
@@jamesaditya5254 Yup. Its why his cross tcg collabs actually work really well for both sides because he goes about it in this way. I enjoy team aps and their collab was fun but it felt so one sided because they just went full in picking up the off hand choices with not much built up or explanation. Evaluating cards from other games can be fun but only as long as its done in a way that allows you to atleast comprehend whats going on. Otherwise there is just nothing but blind guesses which gets old fast unfortunately.
Wishclaw Talisman was also a staple in Eternal formats in combo decks. A three-mana tutor that says "You have to win this turn" was good enough, especially because you can divide the mana, so you have a lot of resources the turn you go off.
CIMOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I Love Cimo/CGB crossover, it's the best dynamic in all of these "Card player rates" videos
KEEP DOING IT
I mean, one of the main reasons behind why I like Hare Apparent is that it plays like a storm-ish enabler in Baylen the Haymaker. The tokens draw you cards, net you mana, and you can win on the spot with stuff like Eerie Interlude, Impact Tremors, Warleader's Call, or stuff like Confusion in the Ranks. The card enables you to do some pretty messed up stuff in what's otherwise just another go wide, drop Craterhoof, and hit everyone with an army of 24/24 Trampling Rabbits.
Once you have 5 hare apparents in play, you can start drawing cards and making mana. at 7, the Hare Apparents pay for themselves. Its arguably the more easily abused "You can play any of this" cards in the game, specifically because it makes *tokens*.
55:44 yugioh actually was quite a few effects that skip to end phase effectively ending your opponent turn, from old cards (like neko mane king, from 2003) to quite new cards (like veda kalarcanum, released just last year)
now the reason cimoooo probably doesn’t remember them is because they usually come with really weird and difficult activation requirements lol
Neko Mane King was very famously something people actually ran as a counter to to tears durring tear format. Id expect him to at least be aware of it.
This isn't exactly a podcast, but it IS what I want.
It’s crazy how everyone forgets that Diabolic intent is a 2 mana tutor legal in standard. I’m still shocked that I’ve never seen it even cast in pioneer despite the existence of sac heavy decks
If I loose my rake in the garage this fall, I'm calling cimoooooo to find it
The first rabbit in MTG was Kezzerdrix.
Tempest, Rare, monoblack and terrifying art.
The second rabbit was Jackalope Herd, Exodus, 1998 monogreen creature.
Third was Zodiac Rabbit, followed by what I thought was the first rabbit, Vizzerdrix also in 1999. Also terrifying art.
Then no more rabbits until 2020, and in the last 4 years they released 32 more rabbits, creating the archetype of "spam out many small rabbits and eat the enemy with them"
Last time I played MtG was -99, never played yugioh. Never miss these collabs!
Alex Cimo is the king of predicting his own demise. I'm sure he will never forget MST into Monster Reborn into Dark Elf into Megamorph.
I still chuckle remembering that incident lmao
He deserves credit for the first one! He nailed everything except the final guess lol
I could see a commander deck happening with Impact Tremors (or similar) + Thrumming Stone + Hare Apparent ending games
I was not expecting that Little Shop of Horrors reference at the start, but, chef's kiss. Loved it.
I'm more hyped for Hare Apparent with self mill and mass reanimation than just "I play my rabbit for turn and pray for no board wipe"
Neko Mane king. It was a monster that saw niche play in Tear era and if it was sent to the grave (under specific conditions) it ended the turn.
As someone who used to play Magic, that 1st card alone is already mean. It's like "I don't remember this card" but it could've been in Weatherlight or Alara and it's like yeah sure. It's not only so basic in general, it's so basic IN GREEN WHITE in particular. It's the little dudes color combo, it's the token guys color combo, White at a minimum already has had similar cards, etc.
I like how Wishclaw Talisman literally gives your opponent the middle finger 😅
I now need an alter of niv-mizzet reborn with Cimoooo art and named a guy reborn 😂
The Little Shop of Horrors reference at the beginning automatically made this episode a classic.
The "Suddenly Cimo" intro made me laugh out loud xD
For the uninitiated, it's a reference to the song "Suddenly Seymour" from Little Shop of Horrors.
Hare Apparent is such a Hearthstone level name of a card lol what an amazing pun
I wasn't ready for Little Shop in the intro, thank you CGB 😂
Demonic Tutor was legal in Standard (Type II at the time) when I started playing during Revised. It was restricted, like Fork and Channel and Regrowth etc.
These are so fun to listen to. They're long videos, but never feel too long.
Anthem of Champions totally has the 4 Harry Potter house emblems
Jolly balloonman commander with 70 hare apparent 15 plains 14 mountains lfgggg
Cgb is like “ah you like Niv-Mizzit reborn huh? I’ll keep that in mind for when I have you on my commander show enviably”
34:54 : I think CGB should have corrected Cimo here. If casting Talisman resolves, the opponent has no window to interact with it if the owner wants to use it immediately. This would then put its effect on the stack (e.g. the opponent does not get priority after casting the card resolves). The opponent could then destroy it but that would make no sense, as that prevents him from getting it. And even if he does, Talisman's effect is already on the stack and would still resolve.
I think that's a subtle difference between the rules of Magic and Yu-Gi-Oh that he's not aware of. (To be honest, I only know about it because of videos like this one.) Apparently (and don't quote me on this because I'm not a Yu-Gi-Oh player), in Yu-Gi-Oh, when a card is about to enter play, you have a window to respond to the card itself entering before its effects become active. The equivalent interaction in Magic is on the stack only: once the permanent enters the battlefield, unless there's a trigger, you have no window to interact - funnily enough, that "unless there's a trigger" has been used at times to _create_ such a window (Omnath, Locus of Creation comes to mind, where the designers specifically said that they wanted some ETB effect so the opponent could kill it in response).
oh, look! it's that 'dingus egg'-guy again from that other video... 😅😜
There is one Yugioh card similar to Time Stop.
Neko Mane King. Which is a Yugioh Monster (think creature) that when it is put from the owner's control to their graveyard during the opponent's turn it becomes the End Phase. It can be sent to the graveyard from the hand or from the deck and it activates. It's been a niche card in a few formats where there were decks that either destroyed their opponent's hand or when cards that would mill the deck were common.
17:56 This card has made me want to play again for the first time in many years.
Let the power of the gimmick flow through me.
16:57 My personal Hare Apparent brew is 44 Hares and 18 plains
I’ve played it about 15 times… and I think I’ve only lost twice? It’s definitely the best of the ‘play any number’ cards, because it solves the second main problem of the strategy. That being, these creatures don’t have evasion, so how do you get through? The answer with Hare is that you just go so wide that there’s enough bodies to just get past.
It doesn’t solve the main issue, that being removal utterly curbs your snowball and can be an effective loss on turn 2/3 when you get your creature removed
You should cut two rabbits and go to 60 :P
But anyway, I think just about any deck runs some way of killing a 2/2 before turn 3? I can't think of a reasonably competitive deck that wouldn't. Maaaaaaybe some mono red or red/white aggro brews, but those will kill you before you build your board, anyway.
16:45 “one of the fun things about Arena…”
Isn’t Arena and fun an oxymoron ?
No
Demonic Tutor was legal in standard, but it was restricted to one copy. This was about 30 years ago. If I recall, it was legal all through 3rd edition being in standard.
Hare Apparent can be fun! I made one for Standard where the goal is to play a bit of tempo/minor control, til you can get down any two of Warleader's Call, Enduring Courage, or Calamity, alongside however many Hares you can stick. Obviously this is fun!
I do kind of dread eventually coming across someone doing it in Commander, precisely because I think people would think the Hare is the point when no, the Hare is the fuel for whatever it is you're doing to win - you do have a coherent plan to win, right? And to protect your plan and/or stop others winning before you do, right? (but these are widespread issues in Commander deck-building)
I’m a couple of months into watching CGB and I love his content he’s also a good host too
In Pioneer/Explorer, Niv's Parun and Visionary in Izzet Creativity is pretty fun. And, if the Creativity resolves, you either go infinite on your next draw step or at instant speed if they try to remove the Niv(s).
Cheetahs and rhinos? Someone's a beast wars fan I bet, haha. I love the podcast style like this CGB!
CGB: "Your favorite animal is Rhinos? Imma save that for later..."
So, he is either making him a Ghired, Perry, Roon or Mr.Orfeo deck, place your bets in.
13:42 So! The earliest card I can find that was printed with the Rabbit subtype is Zodiac Rabbit from Portal Three Kingdoms. However, Kezzerdrix is the earliest card that I can find whose creature type was erratad to include Rabbit, and that's from Tempest. I would argue that Zodiac Rabbit was still the first Rabbit to be printed, but I see the argument for Kezzerdrix.
FYI the Scryfall search I used for this was t:rabbit not:reprint, and I then sorted by Release Date.
Hidetsugu's second rite makes more sense when you consider Hidetsugu, the legendary creature - he has a tap ability that halves everyone's life totals. This card is there for flavor and it's perfect.
Also, come on, Trix was a good deck for its time and it was basically cat pact in blue. Should've mentioned it.
I can see one scenario where people would try to play a Yugioh equivalent card to Hidetsugu's Second Rite. And of course, it's for an FTK. Number 6: Chronomaly Atlandis can be feasibly Xyz summoned on turn 1 with its effect's conditions met, and it is the only card in the game (that I can find) that does not require battle, waiting, or for your opponent to do anything in particular in order to halve their LP. And from there, you'd just throw this card, deal an effective 4k effect damage and done.
I doubt it'd be good, it'd be very gimmicky and bricky, but it'd be the kind of thing jokers and bots on Master Duel would likely attempt every so often to make people's lives miserable.
Niv miz goes hard in standard dragons, terror of the peaks into niv is living the dream.
Good to know that both card games have their own number of guys that have somehow returned
Is there a community in Magic, simmilar to the Hearhtstone one that makes good custom cards? It would be funny to make cimooooo guess if it is a real card or not!
There's a huge custom card community in Magic. :)
Hidetsugu's Second Rite was a 1-of in my Boros Sunforger deck in OG Ravnica Standard. Surprising how often it nuked someone from a comfortable 10. All star as a 1 of.
Ooooh, I too thought Arahbo was okd, which turns out to be only half true. The Arahbo I was thinking of was Roar of the World, that precon Commander from way back when, who came out in the same set of precons that gave us THE Ur-Dragon. So, we did have an Arahbo, but this is a new version.
I am a huge Hidetsugu fan and even have a EDH deck with him as the commander. Saw this card and was hyped to try to build with it for the ultimate embarrassing 1 shot out of no where. The functionality even now still doesn't work. If you play a deck with pingers you might just burn someone past 10, if they have life gain they fuck the strat up with anything they do, in the deck I was trying to run it I comboed it with all the when you play a noncreature this does 1 etc. and I realized there might be a scenario where I could play second rite, but if they have like exactly 10, I accidently ping them for 1 on the cast and then they aren't at 10. ugh a miserable defeat of a deck build for standard. That being said it did birth a moderately hilarious Ojer Axonil burn deck thats kinda got some power behind it. But yeah RIP everyone now and before that tried to make Hidetsugu's second rite work.
Ahhh, the reaction to Hare Apparent was pretty funny. So, Cimo, Magic Players are weird, and we really enjoy brewing weird decks using one of the dozen or so cards that have that "Any Number in your deck"' clause. I played Relentless Rats dot Deck back in the day, which is very similar - you can have any number in your deck and they get +1/+1 for each other creature you control with the same name. It was a silly swarm deck that could occasionally win games.
20:30 Probably the closest thing to this would be Kashtira Arise-Heart (exiling opponent's cards and using them as a resource), and that card is beyond busted.
CGB "I spawn 40 Rabbits" - Cimo " I cast Raigeki"
CGB "Thanks. I cast Raise the Past."
@watchm4ker cemo laughs "anticipatet that and cast Black Hole"
If Arahbo is the ancestor of every cat in the multiverse, surely he should be a planeswalker :P
16:52 thought I would need a copy per one. That’s a good tip to only need 4 and then you can have 30 in deck
according to scryfall the first rabbit is kezzerdrix from Tempest. However that is an errata it's printed as a summon beast. The first printed rabbit is the zodiac rabbit from portals 3K
We'll have to come back to this one to get Cimo's score
Time stop is very fun with blink decks. I’m sad they didn’t reprint sundial of the infinite, that with blink decks does some wild things.