This Is Where It All Went Wrong
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- Опубліковано 16 лют 2024
- The Red Pill movement gets a lot of traction online from people on the right, but should it? @BenShapiro, @MichaelKnowles, @AndrewKlavan, @CandaceOwensPodcast, and @MattWalsh discuss where Red Pill is right and where they might have missed the mark.
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Marriage is a good thing, but modern society is stacked against a good marriage. So if you choose to get married, particularly as a man, you are competing with all the societal forces that tell your spouse it's okay to leave you as soon as they're unhappy, and they can take half your crap on their way out the door. Thinking it's not worth the risk is a valid conclusion to make.
I think that is why you must date with intention and purpose. Find out if you have the same values cus that will be there whether you’re happy in the moment or not. Don’t focus on the intimacy. Cus once you find the right person you will have that for the rest of your life.
I don't think it's valid. It's lazy, and it assumes that 99% of women would do that, which makes marriage more like a lottery. That simply isn't true about women. Is the institution corrupted? sure. But why place that blame solely on a handful of viral dumb women? Plenty of great women out there like Matt said, who are ready and willing to take on the challenge of marriage. Plenty of great women out there who, in the tragic case of divorce, are not total maniacal gold diggers, and would make reasonable the process. The invalidity arises at the broad assumption, which is overwhelmingly false.
Guys from my generation are looking for women in the wrong places. There are over a dozen single women between 25-35 at my church that want to be married and all are conservatives. There are barely any single guys at my church. Single guys don’t seem to stick around very long.
Look for good women in places where good women are. Marriage originated as a religious and holy institution founded by God. I found my wife at church.
I don't think the answer is just to give up on marriage. Modern society is stacked against God's Word, the Church, and Christian values, yet we keep fighting for those, we don't just give up our faith. If we give up marriage, we let the world win. They are trying to destroy the nuclear family and are succeeding.
I think you have to find the right person. Marriage #1, It was a disaster and I was the high earner, he took everything. Started over, new hubby helped me get my second degree, we enjoy the same hobbies and we have shut everyone out of our relationship. No outside interference.
Its one thing to not agree with the solution of the Red Pill, but until you actually provide an alternative solution, other than "just get married"( ie. ignore all the problems the Red Pills cite), men are going to continue to look at the current state of dating and marriage and continue to say "No, thank you."
The solution is legal and societal change to make marriage safer
I generally agree with you, but to what end? Ok, men stop pursuing women until things change. What if they never change? The alarming part of this, is how willing men are in giving up the fight and waiting to be handed a V. They say they'll be single until things change. Who's going to change anything? I have a hard time seeing this as anything but feminine. And in the meantime not anywhere near enough babies are being born, demographic collapse is steadily on the way. Men think they're going to sit in their living rooms playing Halo until they die? That's rather optimistic. You'll be lucky to have running water and electricity when there aren't enough people to keep the machine going.
Picking up the heavy load and moving it is what being a man is all about. This is putting the heavy load in your garage and saying you'll get to it when your mom moves her tupperware.
@@alexs_toy_barnHow to get there? Education and despair is a tool to achieve this.
100%. These dudes always talk about how not getting married is bad, but have no answers.
@@danday9697 They do. Their answer is "Just get married, bro!".
Eliminate "no fault" divorce. If you enter into a contract with someone, and then violate or just want to exit the contract, you have to negotiate a price. Marriage should be at least as protected. Neither party should be allowed to exit and expect the other party to absorb the heavy costs.
Exactly
I can't take Ben and Matt seriously when it comes to marriage cuz both got married in a different time for 1 and 2 both of them had nothing but jokes and criticism when Stephen Crowders wife left him
@@DangleSan What did they say?
Eliminating no fault divorce would actually make divorce even more expensive. It's not the primary issue. Until family law changes which it won't there are several options. Get an ironclad prenuptial agreement after consulting with a 20+ year divorce attorney or remain free agent. Also have children by surrogacy or overseas to avoid the custody battles.
@kirksmith9783 Divorce is supposed to be expensive - for the party that is breaking the agreement.
Ban sale and distribution of birth control
ban abortion
ban no fault divorce
repeal the 19th
That's a start.
Matt Walsh: “ What’s the alternative?”
I dunno. Ask Steven Crowder.
To them it's just proof that "Crowder is no fit man", not that he was taken to the cleaners by his ex.
The guy who abused his wife?
@@babyshark4845
Did he actually hit her? I just know he was preaching the same lines about marriage before he got divorced (when he was part of the DW) and not so much now.
@@superfunhappyslide He did and there was also videos of him being emotionally abusive.
@babyshark4845 "emotionally abusive" found the feminist 🙄 if there was proof of physical abuse, he would be charged with domestic violence.
DW hosts aren't going to win these men over being so dismissive
"I agree with 95% of what these guys are saying but they're wrong" is a weird position to take.
“Marriage clearly works for us, so it’s obviously going to work for everyone”
Exactly. Huge blindspot
If you going to get marriage to a woman and your first thought is " What happen if she left me " then you are not a husband material, you are a man baby.
Tbf, the red pill community is equally dismissive towards them. Your chances of a marriage being successful do IMPROVE under factors like church attendance, and avoiding premarital sex, etc. But suggest red pill guys attend church and find themselves a nice homely Christian girl and they'll laugh you out of the conversation and tell you they prefer Xbox. There are obviously ways to mitigate risk, but red pillers aren't even remotely interested. They want to pout and take their ball home until someone changes the rules for them.
Didn’t get married until I was 37. Not that I wanted to wait that long, just never found anyone. Just had our 19th anniversary and our marriage is great. But I thank God that my mom taught me from a young age that marriage is work! I think too many people don’t know or understand that.
It's never too late! So happy for you! May your relationship be strong enough to survive anything and better yet, may it go easy on ya hahaha
No man should ever marry a woman over 24.
So you were born in 1967-1968, I'm sure you understand that the dating/marriage landscape of today is far different from your generation. Us in the younger generations have more of a struggle due to societal decay and hedonism run amok.
Amen. I think women today want the wedding but not the life, they seek marriage but arent raised to be wives - they dont understand that on ur wedding day, that is precisely when the hard work begins. Marriage is duty, its work.
And you support the criminal abuse of men in the end marriage courts. We know.
Pearl has said men are allowed to cheat on their partner, even when married, and that the woman should permit it. That's not conservative, not moral, and not Christian.
I would never agree to that with my husband, but he would never ask or anything like that. Against both of our value sets
Christians are world leaders in divorce and broken homes.
@@bell5082 Yet you are ok with fee mails cheating and ok with fee mails committing perjury against men.
This is a misleading comment - potentially your comment relates to a snippet of a counter argument that she was making and that you are taking that out of context - Please can you provide a URL reference to your statement). My takeaway from Pearl's views is completely different from your comment and more in line with other comments in this video comments (so far).
@@jasonwinters9807enough with the taken out of context bulshit. She said those exact same thing.
A perfect example of intelligent people who are completely stupid on a specific topic, because they see the world through opinions and ideas and not through reality.
Exactly!
And you dont? And your left wing dont ? Trump 2024 smart
@@jeffrey6618Your TDS is showing.
not opinions & ideas but ideologies. this is how ideology warps the mind. they're so bound to their right wing religious principles that they simply ignore men's dating reality that is right in front of them.
You must be a feminist
13:55 "When it comes to the institution of marriage, you can't burn it to the ground." And nobody is trying to burn the institution of marriage to the ground, they are trying to burn the government imposed rules and regulations involving marriage to the ground.
Since marriage is a religious institution government should have never been allowed to get involved.
By refusing to get married, you are actively participating in its burning.
@@jonahstephens2904 By taking away the power men are entitled to in it, tradcons burned it a _long_ time ago
@@jonahstephens2904you guys did that trad cons not us we have to destroy the divorce courts and replace them any other thoughts are compliance and acceptance which is what you believe.
@@jonahstephens2904by actively not being a nazi you are letting Germany burn good.
Several issues--
1. A multi-decade effort, mostly by feminists, to "deconstruct" the family unit
2. Great majority of the cultural messaging of the last 50-60 years has been anti-male
3. Feminization of boys
4. Family court --say no more
5. The pill
6. Social media has turbo-charged women's hypergamy --before dating apps ,there were some limits on choice, now even an average woman is buried in options.
7. Etc, etc
Was this all planned? I think some of it is and some just happened
All of it is planned. It flows logically if you think about it.
6. buried in chances to be a fluid receptacle.
Yeah, and men are hardwired by millions of years of evolution to be disgusted by promiscuous women, and most are very promiscuous these days.
Yes it was planned. The whole hippy movement and sexual revolution was a psyop. The goal was to destroy the family and hence lower class men. Depopulation of the threat/ competition. They used to make the defeated men Eunuchs, as they are doing to our boys now. Nothing new, just more covert and sold a little different.
It was planned. By the tiny hat tunnel people
Steven Crowder once claimed to have found a good woman to marry. The only difference between the pro marriage crowd and the Red Pill is one bored house wife.
Peter Nolan told Crowder his wife was in it for the money and would divorce him to get money once they had kids in around 2015 or so. He said his wife would never do that and blocked Peter Nolan on twitter. Steven Crowder deserves what he is getting because he promoted marriage for years after Peter Nolan spoke to him about his own wife.
@@GomersPile01 Marriage is a scam.
The only difference between these clowns and getting red-pilled... is enough time passing. Unless they're in that lucky ~18%
@@GomersPile01no one deserves that
@@Kwildcat13 Steven Crowder absolutely deserves what he got. So does Susan Wojcicki. Susan was the number one censor of Peter Nolan. I am sure you heard her news today. He just emailed me and he is celebrating Susans bad news.
I use to follow the Daily Wire, sometimes I agreed, sometimes I didn't, but I've always respected their stance on free speech.... up to now. My full support goes to Candence Owens.
I wouldn’t fully support candance Owens after what she did to crowder
Amen! ❤
The Daily Wire is extremely out of touch on this topic. They have no idea what it's like.
I would agree. I don't think any of them understand the argument Pearl is making.
Perhaps. Or perhaps you don't.
They don't understand the modern dating market in the US.
Ben Shapiro had an ARRANGED relationship brought to his feet from his parents. Let's not forget that
Everybody except Candace Owens were WAY OFF! 😂🤣
All of these dudes except Candace need to stick to politics 😅
I think what made marriage so easy for my wife and I is that we were both raised in the same Christian faith so our morals were already equivalent. We knew divorce was off the table and seen as a cop out before we even got married.
Bingo! Look for a good woman in a place where good women are. I found my wife in church, and there are lots of single women that want to be married at my church, but single guys don’t want to go to church.
@D71219ONE you think church women aren't doing those things? I could show you thousands of stories that would contradict that statement
@@D71219ONEI don't know where you live, but I have lived in California and S. Korea, amd the few church women that are single, most of them are afraid of comittment.
@@danday9697Women who are at church on a regular basis do not have these issues.
@@skincareceo that is false. There are a lot of women that goes to church regularly that have those problems
Nothing about holding women accountable. “It’s the men’s fault”
I think they’re holding Pearl accountable.
Accountable for what? Your feelings? lol
@@vivienneb6199 Lmao. The modern woman demands a traditional man but they are NOT traditional women. See the disconnect? No? I didn't think you did.
@@Kingepticon Ah, you hate women. How cute! lol
Why don't you try interviewing a reasonable middle aged Red Pill man who has experienced enough of life to understand life's ups and downs rather than from a 20 something like Pearl who is not a man, never been married, never had a child, never been divorced, never lived life as a man nor experienced what life for a typical man is really like. (if you want to speak about Red Pill men then try speaking with one).
Hey, I can start.
Last 4 girlfriends. Oh, first one wanted a fairy tale romance. Despite spending 2 years with me, she ultimately found out she liked the bad boy with more money. Cheated emotionally.
Second one, Highly insecure, Love bombed. She wasn't a bad partner, but she had a lot of baggage and was easily triggered. Not a very fulfilling relationship, quite stressful. She too cheated.
Third woman. Also love bombed me. Very sexual. I think she liked me, but distance was an issue, so she eventually broke it off and found someone nearby, even though we easily could've moved in together.
Fourth one, Actually a covert narcissist. Hid children from me when love bombing me, Got me trauma bonded, proceeded to smear my name to everyone, gaslit me for 2 years, triangulated to make me jealous and anxious, constant silent treatment, hot and cold behavior. Mentally destroyed me. Only now, almost 3 years later do I feel even remotely normal.
Okay so that's roughly 8 years of dating so far. Hmm, actually closer to 9.
Thankfully the last woman I found.. Out of COUNTRY mind you, is a great partner. And absolutely nothing like the rest of these women. I feel peace in the relationship, I feel loved, I feel wanted. I feel appreciated. And I reciprocate all that to her.
I'll come on the show @DailyWire+. I'd love to get that covert narcissists name out into the world.
Their wives would hear, and, if you look at these three, they're not exactly exuding masculinity, so it's a fair bet, they're scared to challenge the wives. I love using this contrast, just look and listen just once to the man who runs Odin's Men channel - these three, even if you could combine them couldn't measure up to that one dude
@@JW-tg1nn Yeah, that's what I thought too.
Then I met my new partner :)
Missed that part, didn't you?
@@truckywuckyuwu Ha! Dude, looks like you've drawn out a narcissist - get a load of that gaslighting! Feeling personally attacked, @JW-tg1nn? lmao
[I can relate to your experience, btw, *trucky* - glad you made it through - it's been several years for me, as well, and I only started to feel 'normal' again recently].
3rd woman didn't sound so bad, @@truckywuckyuwu.
And no one should move in together outside of marriage.
Candice who interviewed Andrew Tate: "Who are these people that are against marriage?!?! "
Andrew Tate : *stares at this woman with confusion*
That was a very strange interview
almost feels like she really DOESN'T believe it eh..? 😂
@@nealcassady-yn3bh I never got that sense from his content. Just speaking for me.
Many men believe in the institution of marriage. Many don't believe they will be lucky enough to get one of those very few women that are wife material (ant not married already)
@@nealcassady-yn3bh being in a relationship with someone while you have 10 other side pieces isn’t marriage.
All Redpill originally meant, is you knew the game, knew the risks, knew you had to better yourself to compete. Don't lose everything to people that are temporary in your life.
Damn. That hit hard. I think that's your problem right there. If you are gonna see your wife as temporary from the start, it'll just be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Good women that see past all the modern soicetal standards BS and the BS laws will never be 'temporary' unless you royally mess up. Choose well and risk having the best life with her. I would rather do that than be never try out of fear of failure.
@@alyzak.8997 Noone said anything about a wife being temporary, quit projecting
It doesn't mean that anymore, Tate turned it into a pitty party
Dont go after meaningless sex yes, but not go further worthy woman who might be your wife is worthwhile. Your comment might come across as not to try to purse any good relationship
The red pill (back when MGTOW first took off) meant not dealing with women and focusing on yourself. Fresh and Fit and Andrew Tate turned it into an online group of crybaby men being fake alphas to try and get women.
The real problem with this discussion is the lack of empathy for the average man's experiences now.
They think Red Pill is anti-family and a feminist stance? There's no way the DW crew aren't controlled opposion after watching this. I refuse to believe that ALL of them are this out of touch and all agree with each other over this.
They are a propaganda machine just as much as the rest.
Anti-family? Absolutely not. Anti-Woman? Also no. Anti-feminist? Eh, Kinda. Anti-toxicfeminism for sure. It largely advocates that men avoid these types of women(and the west is largely full of them), and go elsewhere if they want a loving traditional relationship.
That doesn't sound like people don't want relationships. Sounds like they do.
They are controlled opposition
The red pill is anti family
They're religious
They're religious
How does the woman who interviewed AT not know what the red pill movement is?
Grifting
There comments here saying that you can't confine the redpill movement to andrew tate and then there are people like you :P
Make up your mind, people lol
Candace is a text book grifter.
Even more so than Crowder
Oh, she does. She has been on Whatever, and Hammerhand and Chronic mentioned her. She is aware of red pill 💊 and MGTOW and passport bros. The question is why is she playing dumb.
@@alyzak.8997Andrew Tate isn't red pill. He's his own thing.
I love seeing the presumption of rich, married men, who are at the top of the social pyramid, thinking they are able to speak, argue, think or even understand the hard working men who are struggling to pay their bills and keep a roof over their heads.
They also won't be there in the divorce court when they bankrupt you.
Good point.
💯
Isn't that the same leftist argument when discussing identity politics?
No
Daily wire: Let's get a bunch of people who know nothing about Red Pill, and talk about what the media claims about Red Pill as if it were real.
Tell us you didn't really listen without telling.
Hey DailyWire where are you to defend your own employee Candace Owens who is getting defamed from the mainstream media? You`ve stood up to defend Matt Walsh, & Michael Knowles in the past but absolute silence when Candace Ownes is getting attacked?
if that's what you need to tell yourself to cope
I was married 30 years. Raised two terrific, successful children. My wife and I shared my time in the military (Vietnam) and then undergraduate and masters studies. Then she left. Cost me everything. I thought we had everything a person could need or want. Started again from scratch in my fifties. Can't imagine what buttons could have made a difference. So no, I do not subscribe men to marriage in the traditional sense. Marriage in the church - yes. Just don't sign any contracts or co-mingle finances. It's a business relationship more than spiritual.
Candace is out of her depth here, was she simply a diversity hire?
If you want to stay married, then the man has to be the boss and has to stay the boss and has to fight as much as needed to stay the boss. No matter how much women claim otherwise, they will never stay with a man who is not their boss. They can hate it all they want, they can deny it all they want, but their biological instincts *require* that the man be the boss. BUT**** you better be a *GOOD BOSS* and all the implies. Listening to her, respecting her, complying to her desires, supporting her hobbies, etc etc as long as you maintain that you have the final say. IOW: Being a boss does not mean being bossy.
Absolutely bonkers take. Your marriage failed precisely because you and your wife viewed it as a business arrangement instead of the joining of two individuals in an indissoluble union.
I broke up with my ex because I knew deep down, she is a mordern feminist. Maybe I have trust issues, but the idea of loosing things that I worked my entire life for to a woman unsettles me deeply.
@@james_01scary as f, imagine you're in ur 50s trying to rebuild your life 😢
"Oh I work hard on my marriage and it works so your problem is that you just don't do enought to make your marriage work" When I hear people spout this I have to wonder if they are being ignorant or malicious. Hey it really does take two and we are seeing a major shift in the female half of our societies marriages. So ignoring the problem does not make it go away.
Totally....but what about the good women...we are just as desperate for good men here so...stop pretending like we don't exist, man xD
There are plenty of us still, waiting to love good men like you haahahaha
No fr tho
Isn't the answer to just find a women who also wants to make it work? It's exhausting seeing men on here say "there are no more good women." This incel mindset of you trying to be a knight in shining armor and women trying to ruin your lives will get you nowhere. (Ps. High value women done want whiny, immature men commenting on UA-cam about how hard it is to find a good women)
@@granteison3984 We don't whine about it to women IRL. We know what happens when we do. The namecalling, the gaslighting, etc. We complain about it here because the anonymity of the internet allows us to do so.
most of the people in this video have traditional wives or partners so i feel that it's a little out of touch for them, but i do agree.
@@granteison3984 "Isn't the answer to just find a women who also wants to make it work?"
Yeah, mofu; let them eat cake, huh? Thick b4stard.
A better perspective on this top is Joker from Better Batchelor. He btw, won the Jeremy’s Razors contest and since he is a “red pill” content maker the guys at the Daily Wire didn’t give him any hoopla and an interview that they said they would do with the winner.
He would destroy their straw man arguments.
They said they’d interview him?
@@CatotheE his most recent video reviews this one. He explains a bit about his interactions with DW
Joker is the reason i came to this video. I don't even follow DW because they are lost. Not helping the situation in our country.
@@mrscott01Same just finished it and went over here to see if I was seeing things properly. They definitely dropped the ball on this.
Ok.
So I hear the problems that men have, and why they might choose to not marry or have children.
Now I hear the negative effects on society if men don't marry and have children.
Is it just me, or did we skip something?
It feels like we skipped over finding solutions for all the issues that make marriage a bad gamble for men, you know, the entire reason this is happening in the first place.
We skipped right to what sounds like claiming it is somehow our duty to take this gamble, no matter what the risk to ourselves.
The problem with that notion is that many men got to where they are with this simply because they did have a sense of duty that was exploited by generations that were taught to have none.
The downside of spending decades making sure that men are very, very clear that a spouse owes them nothing by her nature of being a woman, is that eventually they realize they also owe her nothing.
Society has been running on the fumes of, "you owe me because you are a man" for decades now.
This is going to take an indescribable amount of time and solutions to fix.
Not just appealing to a sense of duty.
I published the solutions in 2010. Laydees destroyed my life for doing so. Men are done with marriage. Period.
"you owe me because you are a man". I think you meant MILLENNIA, not decades.
@@sigmacademy I think there was a difference at one point, where men were owed something in return. Over time that slowly eroded away, to men are owed nothing but still have expectations placed on them.
I like Michael's approach to the Whatever podcast, he goes in empathy first, very human. Best and most mature way to do it.
His approach to the women on Whatever is simping and pu**ybegging. Other than that he's an amazing person in the conservative movement. On the topic of modern dating, he/they are out of touch with reality.
@@gg8264 He has some understanding for young men, but what he actually lacks is compassion. These guys know just how bad divorce courts are and how corrupt they are; they just don't care.
These poor girls?
Do women lack agency?
This video is an advertisement for red pill.
Yes, poor girls. As a brazilian who lives in a Catholic country, we see how American women are lost. It's a completely different mindset than women from conservative background countries.
@FlaviaCarolina No, they are not "poor girls." They know right from wrong. Women-like us-are adults with agency.
I don't know what the culture is like in Brazil, but here in the United States, women are coddled by BOTH the Church (Catholic and Protestant) as well as by feminists. They are rarely held accountable for their decisions. All too often, when they make a bad decision, they just blame it on men, and everyone accepts it.
Here in the US, everyone is afraid of holding them accountable. It is to the point where they are incapable of being wives and mothers.
@FlaviaCarolina My response was taken down.
No, they are not "poor girls"-they are adults with agency. In this country they have been coddled by both the feminists and the Church for far too long. Like men, they need to be held accountable for their decisions.
@@Alexander44665 But men are naturally supposed to be responsible for women, fathers for their daughters, husbands for their wifes, that's how it've always been, there is no equality here. Who created the current abnormal situation, women? No, the men who were in power decades ago. Even today it is still men who have the most military, political and economic power. If they would decide to change everything back, women couldnt do anything about it.
@@Alexander44665 Nailed it. I live in a super red state and my god the double standards that make sure women always come out on top. They will attack you for being a man who is not married, biblethump you and then promote being a single mother..
Don't enter into a contract with someone who benefits from breaking it. Ben and some of these other guys are lawyers. Would they advise a client to enter into a lifetime contract where the other party can break it for no reason and gets half the other party's stuff in doing so?
Yes because they have faith, never trust anyone to be logical that believes in a religion.
I was thinking the same thing. I’m sure they all have contracts with the daily wire, ask them if they’d sign a contract saying at any time they can terminate you take half your net worth, your house, half of your future earnings, oh and also you have to contribute to the salaries of all the producers on your shows even if you don’t get to see them again
That is a stupid argument. I don't share a room, having an emotional connection, and raising children with my business partner. If you think your marriage is a Business Contract , you deserve these thot on the internet.
@@jtlightning1231 lol to be fair, isn't that the contract they tried to give to crowder?
@@danday9697 no crowder was just playing Holyier than tho complaining that he had to stay on UA-cam (which he always has and always will) and if he didn’t meet his minimum number of shows which he prolly wouldn’t cause he takes outrageous breaks from his show. Honestly have no idea how any pays for mugclub if they only like him. Not saying daily wire are saints but if crowder actually cared about “sticking it big tech” he would of been a rumble exclusive long ago
"Men self delete. Daily Wire is offended because there needs to be more of them."
“This is where it all went wrong”. Such puerile hypocrites. Candace had a right to her views.
I refuse to be a workhorse for a woman who doesn't care about or appreciate my effort. I took the money I had saved for a family and bought a sailing yacht and rebuilt it for a life on the seas, and I'm going fishing for the rest of my life.
BASED!! Best wishes to you brother!!
You assume that no woman is a good person. That is a little boys mentality.
Well said. The Daily Wire, collectively, has no understanding of what the red pill is nor do they want to. It seems that they just want to separate themselves away from the red pill scene. They can do whatever they want. And l can just let my Daily Wire membership lapse. I won't pay to listen to people who don't take men's rights seriously. Especially people who try to say that conservative men are leftists and gay for not wanting to get destroyed by family courts. They are using the same extremist tactics as leftists and progressives. Disgusting.
Fair winds brother
Ultra-Based. Godspeed!
These people are living in a different world from the rest of us. Not even aware that many men have just given up because the laws and courts are so stacked against us? Not just that. Find me a conservative non-feminist woman and I will be happy to have a relationship with her. These women are akin to finding a Mickey Mantle rookie baseball card. I’m not taking advice from people that don’t even live in the same universe as me.
And they don't even understand that the red pill is the only thing stopping men from going full MGTOW
""Find me a conservative non-feminist woman". Hi there. Did you call? My many friends and I are just as desperate for good men so...stop erasing us, man XD.
Your 'universe' is faulty hehe. We exist!! Way more of us than ya think. Anyway, good luck finding someone fabulous! Good men like you deserve it!
@@alyzak.8997 Is that you, Mickey (?)
@@alyzak.8997but even with ppl like you claiming you exist, the argument would be that you could just switch to the weapons feminism offers you in the society and could wield it against the man if you so desire one day
I can’t find a man with Christian/conservative values so it goes both ways
These guys don't get it. They are lost on this issue
A lot of older people simply have no concept of where things are today in the west when it comes to relationships. 75% of 21 year old men are self described virgins. Average young men basically have zero opportunities with women. We have rapidly become a polygamous society where most young women think they're in relationships, but in reality are haram girls for a small number of men at the top. Mental health problems are skyrocketing, especially among young women. Young men are basically just checking out from society. Fixing this is going to take a long time, and require a lot of drastic legal and societal changes.
There is no need to fix anything. Everything is perfect as it is.
You are getting sleepy, sleeepy....@@PeterNolan-009
True, and by the time young men want to marry most of the girls around their age range are already expired (used up), not marriage worthy.
Stop with that baloney. If women are whores is because men are sleeping with them and no, it’s not the 10% sleeping with all the women. When I was in high school everyone was sleeping with everyone. It wasw just the girls having sex.
@@jamesharris6368 just like you
These guys are so hopelessly out of their depth on this topic, and they don’t know it.
I mean, I think knowles did just call Jesus a f-- in order to shame single men. If not having a wife and kids is gay, and Jesus had no kids, no wife, led countless men to a monastic lifestyle... Well, gives new meaning to arguing in bad faith, doesn't it?
@@DiogenesDworkinson That's not what he said. 10:45
And they stupidly think that Just Pearly things is the defacto spokesperson for the redpill and the manosphere.
All she does is parrot talking points from other men in the redpill community.
What in the heck would a woman know about being a man and what men go through in regards to dating.
What guys?
Candace is out of her depth here, was she simply a diversity hire?
Guys, get your passports. Women here hate us.
Michael, call us gay all you want, we are immune to the shaming language 😂.
He can call us gay all he wants when literally every man on this panel is in the closet.
No he's right though. This is how gay men live. Run around having sex with as many people as you can, leave nothing behind, get as much pleasure out of life and hopefully die young because you'll have no one to care for you or care about you in old age. He hit the nail on the head.
The women will hate you no matter where you go.
💯 .. those fools will continue to be disrespected in the West. Don't feel sorry for them
WELL SAID SIR!
THIS BUNCH OF FAR RIGHT THEOCRAT TRADCONS!🤣
Eyebrows shapiro thinks nazis were/are leftwing!
He's a revisionist!🤮
The left have their own crimes to reckon for!🥺
See ya
Men do want to get married and have family BADLY. But feminism has made it almost impossible to not get screwed trying
One the major things that the red pill crowd gets wrong is perpetuating the belief that women and feminism are synonymous. They aren't. There are many women who hate it, reject, it and see it for the destructive force that it is.
Tell that to Candice. Lol ... how can she rail against red pill like we're opposed to family, women when the it's later group is the one often destroying this "conversative" construct and our entire point.
if that's what you need to tell yourself to cope
The level to which this entire conversation strawmans the red pill is astounding....none of them have taken a serious look at what the red pill is....
exactly; makes you question their depth of knowledge in other areas. they are quick to assume, vilify, dismiss, and disdain without knowledge, facts or truth...just their own uninformed / misinformed opinions.
if they keep this up, they'll be the MSNPC of conservatives
These men are my age, how on earth can they be so hopelessly out of touch!
None of them met men who have been dragged through the family court system. All come from unbroken homes. All have been married for a long time. They have no idea what the dating scene is like today especially outside their religious communities.
@@archstanton9073maybe that's the whole point. Within these religious communities there's whole, healthy, unbroken families. That's why the Bible, and marriage according to the Bible, is the solution.
@@archstanton9073 It is your idiotic choice to marriage the shitty woman, it is your own fault to give up your marriage. Don't blame anyone else.
Because it is you that is out of touch.
@@elizabeth6623 How do you get atheists, non-religious people, agnostics, et al back to church if they don't believe and have no interest in believing? Proselytizing harder won't work as most find it extremely annoying at best.
Changing the law is essential. Until that happens, men aren't incentives to get married.
I agree. But I'm not gonna wait for the world to change for me. I'm gonna do what these great gentlemen did and choose wisely and be happy.
@@alyzak.8997 just be careful, I’m not saying don’t chase relationships. Just know the odds are not in your favor. The nuclear family you guys strive to get, can become nuclear if divorce happens. And it usually not by choice.
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@@alyzak.8997It's not just about choosing wisely. Firstly, ask yourself; do you even have the resources to choose in the first place? Because you're competing with a lot of other men for the same worthwhile women. And there are far less of those that meet the demand. If so, good for you. If not, you can push forward but as the dude above already said, be VERY careful. The odds are stacked against you.
Again with these guys “durrr, I agree with the diagnoses but not the prescription” and then they offer no prescription
I wouldn't knock Pearl if i were you guys cuz she has 5 brothers and 2 of tried to self delete cuz they got divorce r@ped by their wives cuz they lost everything including their kids when their wives cheated on them. I hope you never have to deal with that.
Interesting. Didn’t know that. She’s been accused of pandering, but this would categorize her show more as a mission.
@@jefferytokarsky1930she was never pandering. Blame Aba and preach for spreading that lie lol
@@cephas5053 i like A&P but they only have skin in the game of the debate against Pearl due to her affiliation with Fresh&Fit trying to get sly with the wife of one of them. Pearl said in a video that A&P tried to copyright strike her vids discussing them too and A&P dropped it when escalating to UA-cam or something. Can't recall completely. Tbh can't see A&P's takes on Pearl as completely genuine.
Reinforcing the idea of marriage and family is simple. Alter the state and federal laws around low-income benefits for single parenthood so that only by having two adults in a household (regardless of gender) will pay out those benefits. The reason that single parenthood has any favoritism is because government incentivizes it as the better option. If the better option was a two adult home, it would come back into fashion. It's the same thing as government giving benefits for having children.
Partially. Legal reformation is will cause other problems. You don't want two people staying with each other if they hate each other just because of the government benefits.
It’s called MGTOW. How do they not know the name of the movement they’re sitting around trying to educate us about.
They know, they don't want to say it and give it exposure. Look, these guys got destroyed by single women voters in the last election. This is why they are pushing this
Because they don't understand the red pill at all. They just think they do from a few Andrew Tate videos.
Because it's easier to pontificate and destroy a straw man than actually do any research and understand the topic. How else can they come off as condescending and holier than thou if they knew what they were talking about.
The Red Pill “Manosphere” and “MGTOW” are not the same movements, even if there are parallels between some of their talking points.
@@andrenax It's a Venn diagram
None of these people have been divorced yet. Let's revisit this video after some of these people get dragged through our divorce courts.
Candace will never initiate divorce on her European husband. It doesn't matter what he does. But when that European man leaves her we will see the true side of Candace because the majority of these females will revert back to their natural instincts.
Because a particular person gets a divorce doesn’t falsify the entire institution of the family.
Crazy to assume people are gonna get divorced, but that’s our culture today I guess. Further proving their point.
I’d bet big money not a single person in this video will get divorced.
If anyone on this panel thinks pearly things is anti marriage, you need to watch more. She has stated that people should leave marriage to the people who treat it as the covenant it is. She does ask the question, why should guys get married these days, but if you listen, it's more of a wake up call to our culture.
Saying men should be able to cheat and that women should tolerate it is extremely anti-marriage from a conservative point of view.
@@ndimuafricafrom any point of view. Pearl is essentially saying that men can do whatever they want inside of a marriage or outside of it. No covenant matters if you can break it at any time and your spouse should tolerate it. There is no covenant in that arrangement.
Candace is out of her depth here, was she simply a diversity hire?
Oh she is deffinitely pro-marriage, but a perverted version where the woman is nothing more than a domestic appliance that lives perpetually grateful that a "high value, alpha male" felt charitable enough to tolerate her around and will dump her the moment she hits 30, to replace her by a 18 year old Insta baddie.
That's not marriage. Marriage is a sacred vow of commitment, love, respect between two people who agree to work together in creating a home and a life in common.
Pearly say men can cheat whatever they want in relationship. So f*ck that 😂😂 You red pill is out of touch here
To answer Matt about what is the other option. Red Pill doesn't contemplate an option, that isn't its purpose. It's purpose is to wake men up. What they choose to do is beyond the scope.
Also there is so many voices in the redpill community, that preach different things.
There are some that preach becoming an alpha and leveling yourself up, so you will be the kind of man women want to sleep with.
Some preach don't ever get married, it's not worth it
There are some that preach, if you want to date and eventually marry a woman, go for it but know the potential risks of doing so.
@@thepayne7862 , A lot of these people are late-comers to the manosphere. They attribute beliefs to red pill as a whole that belong to other areas. Red Pill is the analysis of actual female behavior and the social and financial risks they bring presented in contrast to the utopian narrative which has been taught. It's similar to finding out that Santa isn't real. But unlike the belief in Santa, the male/female narrative is harmful. An offshoot of Red Pill is the Pick up artist community. This red pill applied to the goal of generating success with women. An offshoot of that are the hucksters who peddle success with women. MRA concerns itself with changing the legal and social risks associated with relationships with women through activism. MGTOW applies red pill and MRA philosophy with the goal of AVOIDING relationships with women and providing support for those who chose to do that. People like Matt are viewing with the assumption that everyone who watches red pill content have the goal of marriage and family. Therefore from a unique conservative Christian perspective, the notion that people would want to understand how women behave for reasons other than marriage and family escapes them. We are not merely woman-hating here. Nobody is preaching. Some people are selling.
@@thepayne7862 Actually many say don't marry till laws change, and really you can't blame them the way so many women act so loosely and burn out their pair bonding instinct, seriously nothing threatens a burned out women when laws punish the guy for divorcing her when she cheats by handing her half his assets.
The answer Matt Walsh is the FREE AGENT LIFESTYLE. Men can go in a monk mode period to get their mindset, health, wealth and skills right and then embrace the free agent lifestyle if they wish. They can start a family without marriage. They can have children overseas. While there is no perfect solution there are options.
So the RedPill movement is nothing but a postmodernist deconstructionist movement with no solution? Got it.
Marriage with no fault divorce shouldn't be called marriage, just like gay marriage shouldn't be called marriage. It's not some eternal bond between a man and a woman, but a contract between two lovers that can be broken off at any point.
I'm 40 and I've never dated a woman who considered herself a feminist. But everyone of them I've dated was somehow brainwashed by feminism. I'll give you examples of my last two longest relationships. Both of these women would never take my advice on anything because it killed them to have a man tell them anything. Millennial woman have been fed that they are independent. That no man can tell them what to do. Even the good Christian girls I've dated. I even got the one I dated for 9 years to admit that most of the things I suggested to her was right, but she still would do opposite of what I advised.
Go pasport bros
I'm a conservative, and even I can't stand these DW pundits, especially Matt Walsh. They come across as "holier than thou"
And yet you are still here? I find the accusation kinda peculiar?
It's admirable how out of her depth, yet utterly self confident Candace is
Agree. I’ve really gone off her….
Shocked to see Ben and her in the same room! I feel like Candace is someone you can’t trust. Like she’s be taking notes / compiling a list against people on the Dailywire. She’s a female Steven crowder
@@rachaeljackson8642 omarosa owens
Dunning-Kruger!
I have a feeling she understands TRP better than the rest and is confused by their ignorant takes.
This is where the Red Pill's problem comes in with the Tradcons, I don't consider myself RP but I'm sympathetic to their cause for the most part. The majority of RP men will agree that yes marriage is good, yes family is very important and men should strive for those things, but with the way the current divorce laws are in this country, why would they want to?
Their wife could wake up one day (no matter how much you've worked at your marriage every day) and decide there's more for her out there, or she's feeling some serious FOMO, or she just isn't attracted to her husband any more and she can just leave (this sounds crazy but I see it almost daily in my mom groups). With no fault divorce nothing is stopping her, she can leave with half of your money, the house, cars, custody of the kids, you'll have to pay child support, and alimony especially if she was a SAHM. It's easier to financially recover from these issues if you're wealthy, but the average man making $40k-$50k per year it can very easily ruin them.
Jeremy seems to be the only one grasping the core of the issue.
It's not just divorce laws, the entire culture has shifted. Women don't feel obligated to cook, clean or take care of their husband sexually either, marriage just doesn't benefit men anymore.
The laws are definitely shite. All I can say is choose wisely. There are PLENTY of good women still out there who aren't as superficial as the women in your mom's groups. Make sure you choose a woman who isn't just hot. I see men say things like you have all the time after divorcing a complete bimbo like dude you have to ignore a litany of red flags to get to a point where she just wakes up one day and decides to leave for some shallow reason despite you giving it your all.
I'm a woman and it's funny for me to read this because I am surrounded by guys who don't want anything more than a a superficial relationship.
I am positively miserable and desperate for a deeper relationship and so are my friends. Find a woman like me. One who wouldn't give up at the first inconvenience or just use the guy and even if she doesn't love him anymore, she would never subject him to something as painful as financially stripping him because she did ONCE love him. A good woman even if she doesn't want to be with you for all valid reasons will never be cruel. Just like a good man, who wants to leave her, wouldn't be either.
Choose well, get a pre-nup and good luck.
@@alyzak.8997 There's no good or bad women, women are just humans like the rest of us and the red pill gives us men understanding of how women work and when you take that pill you realize how marriage is a trap.
89% of onlyfans subscribers are married men meaning there's large swaths of married men stuck in sexless marriages, it's not just divorce laws which are the issue.
Marry a woman that shares your values and you won't have this problem.
I teach young men to never get married and never have kids because its not worth it.
Based on the current divorce rates, a man getting married is taking the more than 50% odds of losing everything he has worked for because his wife decides the grass is greener.
That’s why you sign a prenup.
@@robertgaudet7407 a judge can easily dismiss a prenup
To have an atom you only need a proton.
A hydrogen+ ion (the most common type of ion) is essentially a proton without an electron. It's still an atom.
The periodic table is how many protons an atom has, not the count of electrons.
The proton gives a sense of direction for the electron instead of freely & aimlessly moving about.
The electron makes the proton feel whole.
They clearly do not read the comments, or do not care what we are saying.
As long as the shekels keep rolling in, that's all that matters to ole Benny
Bitterness.
@@michellelaudet5363 I am Bitter? They are not even trying. They are deliberately lying to take advantage of the neocons pretending like they aren't sheep. Why would religious men want other men to Marry non virgins, baby killers and 304s? Why do they want us in divorce courts? Why do they want us to have children just to lose them to the Matriarchy? Why do they want young men like my son to die in was? They are over all dishonest? Keep avoiding the problem I guess. It has been working well for the county so far.
@@michellelaudet5363the DW is bitter that they can’t just force us to believe their world view. And they will be super bitter when we take over their beloved Republican Party and implement our policies.
Because it is just "propaganda".
Matt, please debate Myron Gaines on the Fresh & Fit podcast. They literally asked you to debate them on one of their shows on exactly this topic. No girls, just guys.
I think they're all too chicken shit to do it tbh. Not saying they're not intelligent they just know they're wrong but can't change tone because it would break their narrative
They won't. They would lose. I don't even like those guys but they would win in regards to this. Then the neocon cucks would have to either admit it or keep lying.
They're not trying to have an actual conversation.
Myron is the best example of the red pill, as he inspired me to work hard, lose weight, and advance my career. I owe him my life and he advocates for hard work and marriage, but marriage only religiously and after vetting. Matt will never interview him because DW is not even trying to understand men. This is why I dropped DW. I use to listen to them daily and took their advice about dating/marriage for four years. I was single and incel for four years. One year in to working on my self and listening to Myron, women were DM-ing ME on IG. For me, Myron is 1000% correct.
Theyre terrified
I am a man, and I am pro-marriage; just don't involve the government.
"These poor women that dont know anything". Simping makes them look like clowns.
You're an idiot if you think that's simping. Its pity.
Y'all are addressing the symptom and not the cause. It's like when you have a cough and someone tells you "Well, have you tried to just not cough?" What is even worse is that y'all are proving your biases by the fact that you aren't listening to your audience and you aren't willing to debate the guys that hold those views (because you have no solution for the root cause).
Telling people to "Just get married" is akin to telling people to "Just jump off a plane" without a parachute, because there is still a small chance that things work out.
I never listened to Redpill or other stuff like that, but thinking logically... why would I bind myself in a contract where I have nothing to win but everything to lose? My parents didn't marry either and it is all fine and dandy. The people they know that have married are all divorced and miserable.
They routinely debate in many types of venues, whether it's speaking at universities and taking questions or going on the Whatever show.
When one of them debates Rollo Tomassi, Mike Sartain, Aaron Cleary or anyone from the online red pill/manosphere community, I'll take them seriously, but they're cowards and won't do it and never name any names besides "the red pill guys", just get married isn't a solution. If any of these trad cons gets divorced, they will sing a different tune.
At least they acknowledge that men are shafted by family courts...Btw, Candace looks very uncomfortable...it's not defeatest mentality btw, but reality. I've had enough of Ben Shapiro.
You do you boo
"It was all fine and dandy". Maybe in this life, but your parents lived in sin and it says in the Bible that those who are sexually immoral-ie having sex without being married, will not enter the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6: 9-20). Whether or not you choose to believe that is your prerogative. However, for those who take those words seriously, you see their divorce rates decline tremendously. Because it also says in the Bible that God hates divorce, and if you do divorce, to remarry is to make an adulterer out of yourself and your partner, as God does not recognize a remarriage unless the first marriage has ended because of death or adultery from either man or woman (Matthew 5: 31-32). Protestant pastors fail to mention this all too often, but if you find yourself drawing near to the Catholic faith or Christian Orthodoxy, or you just take it upon yourself to study your Bible-which every true Christian should, this is something we should all be well aware of. When you put Christ at the head of your household, all things will follow. Men are supposed to love their wives unconditionally, as Christ loved the Church (Ephesians 5:25), and women are to respect, honor, and submit to their husbands (Ephesians 5:22-25). When you follow a Biblical life, the Lord blesses according to His will. The cause of this degradation of marriage and our lives as a whole in this society is the rejection of Christ. The anecdote is to return back to Him.
Your parents may never have married but your mom still could've taken half of your dad's crap if she felt like it (be it via common law or child support). Luckily your dad was man enough to take a risk and spawn you, which leaves him a legacy, that is until you squander your chance to do the same. I'm not saying to shack up with and breed any ho-bag that comes along, but don't shut the door on the option IF it arises simply because you're too much of a coward to take a risk. And if it doesn't happen, that's fine too; be at peace with it. My beef is with dudes who shut the door on the option before they've even tried. They're just rationalizing laziness and cowardice, cloaking it in "They're all gold-digging ho's, bro!"
Hey you, the DW intern that has to do audience research on these comments (!) The score seems to be like 99 to one against the views expressed in this video. Please make that clear in your report . . .
Where it went wrong is... People noticing that the game is deeply rigged against men?
So your solution is to "deeply rig the game" against women? How is THAT fair?
lol No it isn't. You just want women enslaved, and obedient.
@sigmacademy the solutions is to not get married and move out of states with common law marriage.
You can have kids and a relationship without marriage
@@bingbong6127 Ah, another male who does not want to support his kids. lol
@vivienneb6199 and you derived this point from where exactly? Is there some sort of magical barrier that prevents a woman and your kids living with you without marriage? Even if your assumption was correct, child support is a legal obligation with or without marriage, so your point is completely mute. There is no benefit to getting married, it's expensive and there are no punishments involved for breaking vows or divorcing, except for a man's wealth being devided. There is literally zero upside to it in first world countries that have adopted femenism. Everything and I mean everything can be accomplished without marriage, kids, family life, stable income, good relationship...
Pearl is pretty painfully spot on though.
4:22 They already gave the solution many times.
Red pill says : Do not involve the state , marry her religiously.
They said to vet a woman before marrying her.
For that first you have to understand women .
To understand to you should gain experience with women.
You can love women or understand women. But you can't do both dodo bird
Never heard a red-piller say that.
It'd be too smart.
Women aren't difficult to figure out. Remember, women do not understand themselves. This is why they're hive minded. A man use to be able to figure out a female because of her environment and who she associates with. Now that social media is here the female from a small town in Idaho have indoctrinated the same behavioral traits on what she's seeing online from other females like in Chicago, NY, California, etc. because those females are getting attention.
@@ricoamordavila7496This is a BS mantra that hurts the people which believe it. It's essentially a proactive alibistic claim.
Why does Pearl have to be married in order to have a voice that counts? All that she is saying is that she is noticing a lot of negative comments about men - and that if those comments would be applied to women, everyone would be up in arms. She's also saying that in her experience, women are shadier than men - it least that's my take on Pearl.
If you know what red pill is originally, women weren’t meant to be in the red pill space, especially unmarried woman like pearl, who admitted in a vlog to being promiscuous
Because she’s running around telling women they’re worthless after 25 yet she’s 27 and it’s clear no guy wants to marry her because she possesses none of the character traits she claims are so valuable. She’s not feminine, she can’t cook, she’s hopelessly frumpy and dowdy not to mention she grew up rich with plenty of resources to turn out better but didn’t
3:49 Hey Matt! The other option is to find fulfillment and happiness in other areas of your life. It doesn't have to be despair.
As for "Your bloodline dies with you."
Big F*cking Deal. My dead ancestors don't care, my parents have gotten over it, and the children I never created couldn't care less.
The government needs to fix it's shit first. Fix divorce laws and make the country waaaay safer for my potential offspring.
My issue here is where are the divorced guys in this conversation? Where are the men that got absolutely screwed by the system? The ones that had their wife initiate a no-fault divorce, take the kids, the house, 50% of assets, and who then get to pay a payment monthly while another man moves in and occupies their place, and if they don't they go to jail? I don't see how anyone here is qualified to speak about men choosing not to get married when they haven't experienced any of the negative aspects of the failure of said marriage. Don't get me wrong, I generally like everyone in this discussion, and agree with a lot of what they have to say, but it really does feel like people having very strong opinions about a subject that they have little to no experience with... at least yet.
And the women who got screwed by the system? I don’t understand why we are silent on that. The system is broken- for both parties. And the one who knows how to use it to their advantage wins. Period. I would never wish divorce on anyone- male or female. Both have been victims of the family court system….especially the children. They shoulder the injury the most.
The luck aspect is half true, but the other half is compromise on standards. If a man's standards combined with his traits reduces the dating population to a ten percent chance of a long-term relationship leading to a good marriage, then that means he will statistically spend years in poor relationships before getting to the good one. He can reduce his standards on looks and other things, and raise that number to above fifty percent, and be assured his next long-term relationship is probably successful, or raise his odds a little, and be willing to suffer through some bad relationships to get to a better one.
The problem with all of that is a man usually has better traits when it comes to finances, religious zeal, etc. as he gets older, and the women he dates get more baggage with age. As a man ages, it is a matter of luck, if he lands that good woman at a younger age, or is able to find the woman who is more rare at a later age.
Moreover, the concept of being red pilled is realizing the legal problems with marrying the wrong person. Once a man is red pilled, he will change his standards to the point that the odds of finding a woman that will be little to no risk is very low for the average man, unless he's willing to compromise a lot of other things like looks, fitness, and fiscal responsibility.
The sad reality is that when it comes to traits like lifelong marriage, wanting kids, fiscal responsibility, religious, etc. men outnumber women today on those things. That means women with good values can marry up more, and that reduces the dating pool potential for every average man looking for those women. All the guys I know who are happily married married down quite a bit, but it worked for them.
I totally disagree with their determination of what "Red Pill" is, yeah there are a bunch of bitter guys out there, but most are just figuring out what the real situation is and how to work in the confines of reality.
Yeah, they're just strawmanning...
@@DiogenesDworkinsony'all are notruescotsmanning.
@@michaelh878 No, we largely admit that the red pill rage exists, however there is a marked difference between us saying "there is far more going on than just men being bitter" and them saying "the only thing going on is men being bitter". They try to sell this as some kind of feminist victim cult, when the reality is simply that it is men gathering the information on the product being offered, and declining the purchase based on the costs, risks and benefits involved. Are some men upset? Absolutely! They've been sold a faulty bill of goods, and when they find out the truth, even the right's only response is "ok, yeah... you got us! it's pretty bad, but just do it anyway or we'll shame you if you don't". That is worth being upset about, and both natural and healthy to be upset about.
@michaelh878 No, we largely admit that the red pill REDACTED exists, however there is a marked difference between us saying "there is far more going on than just men being upset" and them saying "the only thing going on is men being upset". They try to sell this as some kind of REDACTED victim REDACTED, when the reality is simply that it is men gathering the information on the product being offered, and declining the purchase based on the costs, risks and benefits involved. Are some men upset? Absolutely! They've been sold a faulty bill of goods, and when they find out the truth, even the right's only response is "ok, yeah... you got us! it's pretty bad, but just do it anyway or we'll REDACTED you if you don't". That is worth being upset about, and both natural and healthy to be upset about.
@@michaelh878 (1/9) No, we largely admit that the red pill rage exists,
I'm close to 75, worked many careers and am well traveled. I have witnessed over 50 divorces among friends/co-workers - all but TWO initiated by women. The dismay a father endures while being stripped of his children, home, and income is devastating. Most of these men never recovered. Marriage is a great institution that has been virtually destroyed by feminism and "white knight males" such as the ones on this panel. Ask any male who has gone through a divorce and one will find out just how ANTI-MALE and ANTI-FATHER the family courts are. For this panel to dismiss males who must deal with the matriarchy running most western countries shows a real disconnect with what is happening. Most men would like to be married, but the current laws make it a dangerous, dangerous decision. Until divorce laws are changed, and feminism is reduced, men are avoiding getting married - and that decision has absolutely nothing to do with being gay.
❕️❗️....you are correct....Author Helen Smith points this out in her book Men on Strike( 2013)....the Family court system is Anti male, and Anti Father.....RIGGED game.....🤔🤔
Time will tell, but disparaging these guys because they are doing something right, and picked the right wife, is not useful. Let's not forget, that it is mostly white males, probably all liberal lawyers, that has given us these oddly constructed divorce laws that given totally negative results for all the parties.
Even at your age I find your story hard to believe. Fifty? I'm only 32 but of the four divorced couples who I know well enough to know why, three were caused by the man being unfaithful or abusive. The other was more in line with the typical "red pill" scenario. I can only think of a handful of other divorces I've witnessed from a distance. So your number seems, as the kids say, sus.
I can assure you my number is not only correct but understated. Many years ago I sat down at the breakfast table and easily jotted down a list of divorces. There were 44 couples on that list. I'm sure that I missed a few. These were not dregs of society by any means, but a lot of hardworking and successful men in a variety of fields. I am not aware of a single instance of abuse, though two men did cheat (their wives denied them sex for years). Only two men on that list initiated divorce, the women initiated the rest of the time. Since then, there have been at least another dozen divorces. This is in the Seattle area - in a strong blue state which has been run by feminists for decades.@@aperson9847
@@Morrisfactor Even if your number is accurate and the women did initiate most of the time, this doesn't mean that only the women were ever at fault. I am incredibly skeptical of anyone who says that only their partner causes problems in a relationship.
I'm not arguing by the way that women don't get by far the better end of the deal in divorce, so they have a much greater incentive to end marriages. That's indisputable. But I wonder if the difference in our experiences is that many of the people I know are very religious, and generally have successful and happy marriages.
Yearse ago I was frustrated and unhappy not having a women. Then when I got into relationships I was frustrated and unhappy running out of time and money. In the past dozen years since I went red pill I am happy, satisfied, and saving time and money to spend on the one person I truly love. Myself.
I am an older married man and support marriage. The culture has given up and or destroyed marriage. Ben talked about burning down institutions and mentioned marriage -- I say the current church needs the flame - not marriage. The left has fought for separation of church and state and it is about time that the church sees that the government is Rome and Christians (and other religions) are the same as the Jews from the time of Jesus. Start recording marriages in family Bibles - do not seek authority from the government for something that is sanctioned by God. Churches should get together and create schools for believers - teach creation not evolution. Do not seek any financial support from the state and refuse any and all woke agendas. Christians around the country are going to have to create communities that separate themselves from the Marxist cult that has taken over.
I've been thinking this way for a while as well. Many believers look towards the world for its needs rather than The Church. The Church needs to become more independent and self sufficient . We should be looking inward rather than outward. We need to focus on healing and building ourselves up. Then and only then can we become an effective positive force once again and be the light and salt of the world.
It doesn't work that way. You can't get "religious" married without getting "government" married. Pastor/priests have to report marriages they officiate to the State to prevent people from marrying children, sibling marriage, etc. Churches don't pay taxes and part of that deal is they have to help in ensuring State marriage laws or else that tax exemption goes away.
@@archstanton9073 Are you saying you oppose the Church breaking away completely from the state and doing its own thing. I thought you secularists would have desired that the most?
The immediate issue you run into is that you CAN'T separate yourself from the Marxist cult. The Marxist cult won't allow ANYTHING to exist beyond its immediate control, and most DEFINITELY not something that runs counter to its goals and ability to dominate and control people. Religion is a power bloc that it ABSOLUTELY MUST CONTROL or DESTROY if they can't. That is why they either try to infiltrate the Church in order to take it over... or join those non-believer groups that seek to destroy the Church. Also, the Church has ALWAYS been a desirable target for propaganda purposes by politicians, either by using it or blaming it.
@@CrusaderZealotThe secularist desire destroying the church completely. First it needs to be weakened until it can't fight back. What is proposed in this thread is a strong and independent church. So ofc they oppose it!
More men are staying single. I am just tired of women acting the way they do and chose to just not bother and focus on my other areas.
They are the vanguard of the blind pill movement.
😁😄...Blind PILL 💊 movemant.....will have have to borrow that phrase now...!!
I think Pearl's point is that in today's society, men lose if they get married. And so it's bad for men to get married.
I don't think she feel that men in principle should not get married. Only that society now is so bad for married men, that men should stop getting married until society is fixed.
So I don't see it as her solution to a problem. Only as a temporary fix until the problem is repaired.
Maybe I'm wrong. But that's how I interpret what she has been saying.
I like Daily Wire members I feel that most of them give good or overall valid points in many themes, however this is one thing that I dislike about their opinion on this topics in particular, they also seem to find the core "problem" with current dating but they fail to provide a valid alternative besides "just marry and pray to God she wasnt a good actress" is almost as if they fail to realize that society has definitely changed since they were younger, I would say people who are currently around 32 yo were the last to enjoy traditional woman with no encouragement of spliting at the first minute woman feel unhappy and take half the things of the dude
Jordna Prerson has an entire career based on answers to things like this.
I would rather try my best to find someone amazing and take the risk of them turning out to be nuts than not trying at all. I refuse to be deprived of all the advantages and joys of marriage and have a flimsy non-committal relationship. Life's a banter, man. You gotta take risks. Your luck may turn sour but atleast you weren't a coward.
Also my friend if she wants to split as soon as she's unhappy, she ain't traditional and YOU have a faulty vetting process. Choose well.
I hope you find a fantastic woman and you both stick it out forever in a beautiful marriage.
Ummmm, i think you'd find Ben's wife is a Dr, Candace probly has a stay at home husband, and I don't know about the rest. But... jeez....relationships with other humans is only hard for people who literally don't understand the social world. And unfortunately, that is something that can't be fixed. @nealcassady-yn3bh
I think the problem is looking through the dumbster trying to find gold. Saying there are "no traditional women" is not evidence of the lack of those women, but that you are just looking in the wrong place. I think this is the reason they bring up church, it increases the chance of you finding a women like that. If your surfing tender looking for a women to marry and get discouraged about the lack of quality I don't know what to tell you.
I think you miss the hosts’ fundamental point, though: The culture has been poisoned, especially the culture surrounding marriage. The way forward is to create and work at a marriage that will last (which necessitates finding a partner who shares those marital values-admittedly rare these days, but not impossible), and then raise children that will see marriage as normal, good, and mutually beneficial.
I reckon they don’t explicitly say this, though Matt kinda brings it up around the 11- or 12-minute mark, because it’s a premise they all acknowledge, so the conversation can move quickly beyond it to other cultural ramifications and potential solutions.
Candace: I've never heard these "red pill guys be down on marriage
Absolutely nobody on the panel: ANDREW TATE, LADY!! WHAT, ARE YOU STONED?!!
Ikr? I was gonna ask if she lives under a rock but she clearly doesn’t with the platform she has. Strange stuff.
@@nealcassady-yn3bhthey suddenly flipped the script because Tate, Sneako, and the red pill dip shits are all on the islam train so they can marry multiple women. Red pill bois are just trash.
Andrew Tate isn't red pilled, he's a monarchist
I denounced candace way back in about 2017 as nothing but a grifter.
Isn’t he married?
The concept of "marriage" from a males point of view is that the cards are stacked against the males if the marriage doesn't work out. The Family court system is extremely bias towards men, especially in the United States. It's even worse if there are children involved in a failed marriage. This quote always stuck with me..."marriage is buying a house for someone you hate"....
It is not a US specialty, this plague metastasized all the West, including former Eastern block countries.
Well said. My wife and I chose to approach marriage with a very traditional mindset and it's one of the best things you can do. The only thing we didn't do which I would recommend for others who really want a successful marriage is courting. Ask the important questions early on, before you catch feelings (because we all know we're just going to ignore the red flags after that point) and don't be in or expect denial of the fact that the reason you're dating is you're looking for a long-term relationship. But yes, generally, listen to those who have done the thing you're being told elsewhere is impossible/based on luck.
Take me back 100 years and l'll agree with all this, modern times are merely a response to the modern climate, adapt or get decimated in court, no thanks
They can call them names, but they don't say they're liars.
You guys (+Candace) are so focused on "get married!" But completely fail to acknowledge or address the inequity of marriage laws in the US and most western society countries. RP isn't really saying "don't get married, just sleep around" (yes, some individuals add their commentary, but let's take a step back and look at the larger issues). RP is about making men aware of the realities of modern marriage so they can make an informed decision about committing to one. Marriage is not treated as a covenant with God anymore. They can be dissolved on a whim, with the fallout being far worse for the man and the children. I'm not blaming women for this, but we absolutely should blame feminism and the founders of the modern day movement's goal to abolish the family unit and destroy society from within.
Please STOP focusing on the "don't get married" message and instead focus on solutions to help men & women make better life choices (i.e. choosing the right partner who shares your values, and properly vetting them before just getting married because they've confused being in lust with genuine love). Also, we absolutely need to address the marriage laws and get rid of no-fault divorce. Breaking up a marriage and a family should be a last resort, but today it's seen as the easy way out of dealing with problems and putting the work in that is needed for a successful marriage. There needs to be real cause for dissolving a marriage and the spouse who is at the root of that cause needs to bear the brunt and shame, financially and societally.
I get that marriage and family are vitally important for society to thrive and grow. But ignoring why it's a bad bet for men in 2024, gambling with their livelihood and family success, just so people get married is disingenuous and short-sighted on your part. Stop making people who are speaking the truth about modern day marriages your adversaries, and instead meet in them in the middle (acknowledge the core problem that got us in this state) and focus all of our attention and energy on fighting the REAL ENEMY: those who seek to destroy our country and society through propaganda of equality and devaluing men's & women's strengths that work best in harmony to compliment each other's purpose.
Side note: The more I see "Trad-Cons" ignoring the real issues and just railing against the "Red-Pill", the more I have started to think you are on board with the nefarious goal of destroying society. Kinda like RINOs and Neo-Cons who are anything but conservative. BE BETTER!
Tomorrow my husband and I will be celebrating 40 years of marriage. I don’t know if I would say it’s been “easy”, but it has been worth the work we put into it each day. We are Christians, and in fact my husband is a Greek Orthodox priest. If I had to do it all again, I definitely would.
Orthodox priests can be married? Or were you married before he became a priest?
My mom is part Greek and I’ve been curious about going to a Greek Orthodox church
And you support the criminal abuse of men in the end marriage courts because you plan to use them one day. Your husband should get in first and divorce you for your support of the end marriage courts.
@@ca8944 If a future Greek-Orthodox priest wants to get married, he has to do it before being ordained. He cannot get married after ordination, but he has to remain a celibate priest.
@@gigilamoroso7243 that’s what I thought. That they had to be married before being ordained
@@ca8944yes, in my country you can’t be an orthodox priest UNLESS you’re married
It's such a good thing that Bed has got a good mattress to help him sleep at night after constantly arguing for foreign wars.
The end is all but complete, your panel either cant or refuse to see it.
I was considering buying a Helix mattress until he said “ Pearl is one of the prominent voices” 😂
The solution is easy - first know how to distinguish crap from crop and then find your crop and be happy. But you cannot be happy without knowing what the crap is, how it sounds, how it moves and how it deceives you into thinking its actually crop just to discover 10 years later that you've been eating crap all that time.
It is XXIst century. You can marry church going virgin and then she starts watching some TikToks and goes on a dick highway because she lost her chance to "live" when she was young. There is no way to say who will stay good. You can only say who is bad.
Crop is producing, nourishment,good luck finding a mate that doesn't drain the life out of you
It sounds like Disney wrote your response
Determining crap from crop when it comes to women is impossible. They can just flip.
Or do you think the 50% of marriages that ended in divorce, the men knew the women were crap.
@@MickeyDC-om3pv as I wrote men need to study crap, so that their merriages dont end up in courts.
The fact that they end up in courts in 90% of cases proves one point - men were blue pilled all that time and believed in unicorn fairy tales.
It not that every women will destroy you with divorce, it’s that every woman can if she chooses to. And to all the women in the comments saying something along the lines of “just pick better”, I hope you keep that same energy when it comes to women who fell in love with what she thought was good man only for him to turn out to be abusive later. People change, until the laws are changed the number of men who want to marry will decrease.
“Get married anyway”, tell me, what incentive will there be for a change in the laws if men continue to willing walk into the slaughter house? You would think the daily wire would recognise a boycott when they see it.
It all comes down to incentives, it’s gonna take a lot more than a simple tax break and a glorified “trust me bro” at the altar to convince guys to get married again and there are far too many incentives for women to initiate divorce.
You'll get it when your wife walks out, you get punished for it, and there's nothing you can do.
I have seen a lot from Pearl. I wouldn't position her as "anti-marriage". Her real issue is that today's women are shallow and self-obsessed. They expect to have a lifestyle where the millionaire man will want them and buy them everything. Because of this, she puts a mirror to the young women and asks why a man would want to get married. Her position is more about women need to wake up and set realistic expectations that will position themselves to be more desirable to men.
I hear a lot of the people on the panel right now saying that they get a ton of red pill commenters on their videos. I’m starting to think that maybe Candace, Ben, Matt, Walsh, and the rest of them might be out of touch or disconnected with a big chunk of their fans/viewers. I don’t think they’ve accepted the reality that their support base is severely disconnected with their traditional ideology on marriage and kids. maybe they are delusional about it or don’t want to accept it, but it might be something that they need to start genuinely coming to common grounds with the supporters
They know they are lying. Daily Wire is controlled opposition to keep men engaged in underpaid labor.
Ya they really don’t get it.
There is a big difference between « don’t get married period » and « don’t get married at any cost ». Red Pill is the latter I believe. If as a man you know the deck is stacked against you when it comes to marriage, you should be very careful who you marry. Especially if you are gonna marry a woman with a feminist mindset, whether she identifies as one or not. And since this type of women is prevalent in a western society like America, it becomes very unlikely for a man to commit to matrimony without getting the short end of the stick at some point in time.
They keep talking over.or around the problem. Conservative men know the value of a traditional marriage. But the question they all ask none of these old geezers(and Mrs. Owens) can answer the question:
Where are the marriage material women?
Conservative Men should realize Marriage doesn't mean shit anymore.
I see too many comments of people saying they're happily married for 20, 30 years. That's great, but dating back then is very different than nowadays. With social media, dating has now been globalized and people take advantage of the countless options out there. People don't want to settle because frankly they think they can do better
Well, that's on them. Just because you have MORE options for sexual encounters, doesn't mean a SINGLE ONE of them is interested beyond a single or a handful of encounters with you. What I'm saying, is the dating apps make people DISPOSABLE. Also, sleeping around like you're on a clock doesn't really amount to ANYTHING - there's no benefit to ANY of it (at least not the person doing the sleeping around).
For anyone still thinking modern day feminism is any kind of social good, I have a question: Feminists have complained for DECADES about how women had been sexually exploited. Then, they turn around and tell women to sleep around like they have ZERO value as human beings and not even RESPECT the act of being intimate with anyone else. Who EXACTLY BENEFITS from such an arrangement? DEFINITELY not the women?
Also, they said that men behave BADLY, but then emulate the SAME behavior? So was the behavior bad, or only when MEN did it? What is the difference now that SOME women engage in the same behavior, or is it again an issue of "Rules for Thee, but not for Me" - what happened to "gender equality" all of a sudden?
I gotta be honest, both movements have valid points. Yes marriage is undoubtedly the cornerstone of society. But as a recent divorced man shafted royally, I’ll be a bachelor moving forward.
The primary issue is that the legal system and general society is so badly skewed AGAINST men, husbands, fathers that many men simply decide that going into a marriage based on historical data like divorce rates, divorce rape, paternity fraud and other issues is in reality a very bad idea from the man's point of view.
Many men, although unhappy about NOT carrying on their "blood line" would be even more unhappy, many would become suicidal, about having the woman they love cheat on them, divorce them and UNFAIRLY get the state to effectively remove all that they have worked for up to that point in their life, take in many cases more than half of what they will earn in the rest of their lives, become estranged from their own children or in some cases discover that their children who they love and care about dearly are NOT EVEN THEIR BIOLOGICAL CHILDREN.
MANY men would not be able carry on living never mind function optimally as a human being.
So until the law decides that men also have rights and women should NOT always be put on a pedestal from the legal point of view, men are NOT GOING TO PUT WOMEN ON A PEDESTAL BY MARRYING THEM.
But some men (and some women) have made the personal decision that they are not going to allow their own personal blood-line to continue. I made that decision myself almost 50 years ago.
Black community especially has a strong disrespectful view of most black men. Its actually kinda sad.
👍......This ,what you factually stated, right Here...this the reason for LOW marriage rates......
@@SchrodingersMath ???
I corrected my comments, hope it makes better sense @@eavesdropper0
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I used to believe you people were conservatives and masculine now I’m not so sure.
This is like assembling my grandmother's book club for a round table on the pros and cons of AMD vs Intel.
Couldn't be more out of touch if it tried.
Pearl is right on this! But the morale of this daily wire episode is “if you’re not married you can’t have an opinion on it” so only married people can promote or not promote marriage!
Yes and the hypocrites will insist upon preaching to single people.
Also, if Candace is a truly Conservative woman, how come she isn't at home taking care of her family? Asking for a friend. ;)
That can't be true. If it is then it is hypocracy by them as they critizise people for saying you can't have an oppinion on abortion because you are not a woman.
@@undercoveragent9889it is literally biblical for women to abstain from teaching men. It is wrong in their book yet they do it all the time
No, Pearl is not right. It is not okay to allow men to cheat on their wives; men are not biologically predestined to be adulterous. The fact that she unironically says that women should allow their husbands to cheat makes anything else she has to say totally irrelevant.
@@jonahstephens2904 I'm not sure that men _need_ that kind of permission, to be honest. If it were that simple, men wouldn't be cheating until they got permission, right?
Men shouldn't cheat? Yeah, okay and volcanoes shouldn't erupt. lol
Pearl seems to be taking a more nuanced view than you do.