@@tomking8552Humans are social creatures and they thrive off of this BS. I used to find it annoying too, and then I realized: The “who has had similar experiences and has joined me here” has existed in various forms before you or I were born, and it will persist after we die. You can choose to make your peace with it, or continue to let it bother you. The choice is yours.
I always thought to myself that black holes aren't holes at all but rather hyper massive objects that are warping space around them faster than light can escape. But there actually is something inside, everything that ever fell into it as 1 hyper massive object.
True. Studying the phenomenon of black holes we can see that they all very in size. Not a hole but an object that keeps building on to itself without limit
I'm sure we all can agree that Anton deserves 100,000 subscribers or even more. He's a really good teacher that takes learning to this type of level. Sometimes I listen to him while I'm falling asleep because his voice just makes me tired, while sometimes I watch him to learn something new about space. Keep it up Anton, sometimes you sound stressed and if you are you don't need to keep making these videos if you don't have fun making them, but anyways keep it up Anton, you're someone who makes everyone's days better
There was another theory kind of like this that solves the Information Paradox issue but stays with the idea of total collapse. Basically once neutron degeneracy pressure is overcome through gravity, a neutron star collapses in to a quark star. This would have enough gravity to form an event horizon around the star but there would still be a ball of quarks in the center and no singularity, preserving the quantum information that falls on to it.
I've been thinking about the same thing for quite some time. In my theory, matter does not collapse into nothingness at all but instead hyper compacted into ultra-dense ball of sub-atomic particles like quark or Bose-Einstein matter. That state of matter will also exert gravitational force so strong that even light cannot escape, therefore it's a black hole in a sense but with ultra-dense form of matter at the center. And that is the reason why black holes grow in size when it pulls tremendous amount of matter into it. Because the matter that it pulls simply add to it's mass and size, which simply proves that some form of matter still exist at the center and not just energy. And that is also why there's jets of sub-atomic particles like photons coming from the opposite "poles" of the black hole. It only proves that there's still a spherical shape of ultra-dense matter that is spinning so rapidly, maybe at the speed of light or even greater which accelerates part of matter that it pulls into jet's of high energy particles shooting away from the poles. On the other hand, if the black holes have nothing but gravitational energy, then the jet's of high energy particles at the "poles" will not be possible at all. All matter that it pulls will simply go into the hole, disappear and nothing will escape at all. It also will not increase the size of the black hole.
Not much different then, than it would be with a blackhole cause a lot of scientist have also hypothesized that the implosion of a star into a black hole creates a new universe inside the black hole through a big bang expansion of spacetime just like our own.
It would explain the sudden change in the acceleration of the universe - something changed at the parent gravastar. But that raises another issue: What about the universe outside the gravastar? and if it's too inside a gravastar, what's of the universe outside THAT? What was thje first universe? We'll still need to explain that. And how much further we can keep this chicken and egg system going? Does each child universe have less energy?
I've been thinking about the same thing for quite some time. In my theory, matter does not collapse into nothingness at all but instead hyper compacted into ultra-dense ball of sub-atomic particles like quark or Bose-Einstein matter. That state of matter will also exert gravitational force so strong that even light cannot escape, therefore it's a black hole in a sense but with ultra-dense form of matter at the center. And that is the reason why black holes grow in size when it pulls tremendous amount of matter into it. Because the matter that it pulls simply add to it's mass and size, which simply proves that some form of matter still exist at the center and not just energy. And that is also why there's jets of sub-atomic particles like photons coming from the opposite "poles" of the black hole. It only proves that there's still a spherical shape of ultra-dense matter that is spinning so rapidly, maybe at the speed of light or even greater which accelerates part of matter that it pulls into jet's of high energy particles shooting away from the poles. On the other hand, if the black holes have nothing but gravitational energy, then the jet's of high energy particles at the "poles" will not be possible at all. All matter that it pulls will simply go into the hole, disappear and nothing will escape at all. It also will not increase the size of the black hole.
After you've watched every sciencey show/documentary/lecture on the internet....you come here, for this kind of awesomeness. Love your videos man! Primo content.
That information isn't destroyed, just seems that way because tidal forces prevent that information from getting through. Instead the information propogates through space where it's reflected back from other systems. This then causes a dramatic red shift and the emination of a new type of radiation...."shame"
@@Phaleel Anton's qualifications in theory have no bearing on whether or not the ideas he describes are "nonsense." It's possible to relay information you don't quite comprehend, and although that isn't ideal, it is also not damning.
@@Phaleel I mean, a good portion of his content is him paraphrasing info from journals to be more palatable for most people. Unless you're saying the studies in said journals are also nonsense from assholes, in which case I'll tell you get a real job.
I came up with this idea like 10 years ago. That black holes are not actually holes, but a soup of closely compact matter that its gravity doesn't let light escape. A denser version of a neutron star
Gravstars would actually look pretty much the same as real black holes, since they're dense enough for their surface radiation to be redshifted into black and for the gravitational lensing to occur
@@derekscanlan4641 you're assuming you're not dealing with someone who has never seen a fucking duck before. We're dealing with an unknown that has many unknown qualities. Basically you're seeing a shadow of a duck. But you've never seen a duck before. Can you tell me what it is? You might be able to tell me what it isn't. Which is pretty much what we're capable of.
Things about Anton. He doesnt bore us with advanced mathematics. He gives us all the gooey info we want without the technical jargon clogging up the air ways. As a great band once said. Anton ain't noise pollution.
The concept of a Gravastar is kinda hard to grasp at first, but it is really interesting . Weird I've never heard of one till now considering how long as the idea has been around, really enjoyed this video.
Forget black holes, please do a whole in depth study into neutron stars...Neutron Stars are without a doubt existent and way way more interesting than any other object. We can learn so much! Thank you wonderful person!!!
Singularities are certainly impossible, we have known this for ages because of quantum principles. This was why Einstein never believed they could form and we still have no way to describe how a singularity can form, everyone's just been hand waving that part.
Well we have now a photo of a black hole that looks as predicated based of previous knowledge. Also keep in mind that Einstein's gravity itself can't exist because of quantum principles. When they try to add it all they get is black holes all over the place.
nope as a person who has learned astronomy and physics i highly doubt it the fact that a super massive gravstar being in the middle of our galaxy and every other galaxy sounds way more surreal than a tear in space time. but who knows
We don't have the physics to describe how matter and energy behaves in those kinds of extreme conditions. That lacking is what created the mathematical construct that is the singularity.
String Theory also kind of solves the black hole information paradox, were the particles inside are sucked infinitely close to each other, but not into a Singularity. This object is called a "Fuzzball" because it's a ball of Strings, and has all the other properties of a black hole.
As close together as possible without being in the same place, aka "touching". I didn't say touching at first because what we think of as touching is actually not, since the electrons in atoms actually repel each other.
Personally I like the word gravatar vice gravastar. I mean we already have magnatars why not gravatars. Also you mean Bose Einstein condensate, cool video. Additionally hypothesis, the gravastar seems like the perfect candidate for the polar opposite of a black hole. Meaning that gravastars are inverted sustained quantum black holes, these could also be proto black holes that after a certain point invert back out into space. Almost folding a planet back out of a black hole, with the sum light frequency of the black hole it was formed from.
we learn more every day thanks to your videos, its these fundamental assumptions in science that teach the most about what there is to learn out there and how we fill the information gap until we have enough knowledge to come to a better understanding
One thing: the Gravastar appearing to be cold, and it actualy being cold, are two different things. There's no way so much stuff in close proximity is actualy cold, since cold is the lack of energy. The Gravastar absorbes the kinetic energy of everything that falls on it, after all.
When ever the topic turns to black holes i cant help but think of steven hawkins telling his vision of an opera singer stuck in a moment singing the same note for all of etetnity at the event horizon of a black hole. My thinking on his vision is this. Light like rocks and minerals has its own unique properties and characteristics that we use to identify it with . One of lights best known properties is it travels at 186,000 miles a second .so if the opera singers image was trapped in a field he would no longer have the property of light and his image would not still be stuck in the moment. And i believe this is also true of the light in a black hole. I believe that the most popular definition of a black hole should be changed from " a blackhole is a collapsed star whos gravity is such that light cant escape" to a black hole is a collapsed star whos gravity is such that light can not exsist.
Makes as much sense as any other theory. It is even possible black holes are an area of space that is so cold all activity ceases. Nobody knows, and the way we are headed, nobody ever will :(.
I seriously doubt the highest frequency of light is the Planck length but you never know. I prefer the idea of a space being a lattice of variable sized cells where gravity shrinks the cell size. Matter is deformation patterns in the lattice. The core of a black hole over a certain mass or lattice density annihilates excess matter back to regular=empty lattice from the inside out as the black hole feeds and grows... A tiny lattice expansion wave occurs with each annihilation, adding up to dark energy but the lattice inside the hollow core still remains immensely compressed compared to the surrounding galaxy. A universe grows inside the core of a large/dense enough black hole...
There are also Planck Stars and Plasmoids as other competing replacemens that don't have singularities like Black Holes do with our current limitations to Einstein's Field equations.
Anton- would a beam of light blue shited by a gravastar to below the planck length, would it basically be a solid object at that point? Would it be able to interact with the universe in any way light a super gamma ray or would it exist in some other dimension of space entirely?
Seems like one my my theory papers proposed that there were no bhs, that they are actually a photon maze. Magnetically confined light in a maze. No gravity involved.
I like this idea too except for the low temperature you suggest. How could it be possible to be close to zero Kelvin? It may be possible for the temperature to be insanely high but be irrelevant because the other factors are so extreme that they effectively mask or counteract the effects of high temperature.
I believe that a black hole could be a super massive atom in which it's atomic number would be the sum of every proton. Obviously nothing more than speculation, but it is a testable hypothesis. We can try see if energy levels when they form match what the atomic transmutation energy would be.
I think scientists are trying to find these ( In the Maths ) as a way to not deal with the information problem they have with black holes. It doesn't mean black holes don't exist. We have to remember that a black hole bends space... and time due to the crazy gravity it has. Which would suggest that maybe any information going into a black hole is in fact in another time and space. That doesn't mean any information is lost, just that it has gone somewhere else. I don't fully understand why the information being lost is such a problem?
I can not believe that there are universe inside a black hole,or our universe is in side a black hole, because, if the blackhole absorbs a star then, matter will appear 'magicly' in our universe from out of no where!
planck length is the smallest expression of information that can measured, from our Dimension of Observation. But a single planck length contains an infinite number of smaller Dimensions of Observation. Just as our Universe is a single point of quantum probability, in an macro sea of infinite other Dimensions of Observation. All of these dimensions are separated by boundaries of Causality. Regions where no information can be transmitted or observed. The wavelengths of energy just become so small, or so large, that they can no longer transfer information. The secret to the "black hole" is that it is not a hole, or black. It is a mass of tiny uniform energy fields that form layers like an onion to to a point where the particles in the middle, can no longer contain energy. They cannot become excited. This creates a negative energy. Contained form of quantum vacuum. Everything we can Observe is floating in the quantum Field. A sort of, 4 dimensional foam. The center of what we call a black hole, is separated from that foam. Zero Point Energy is the theory that explains this interaction. It is the only means allowed by quantum mechanics to achieve absolute zero. The singularity is a ridiculous theory that never held up to observations or predicted anything useful. Reality is an infinitely nested series of Russian Matryoshka dolls. In both directions. That is how infinity is created. By divisible wavelength. Just Nikola Tesla tried to tell us. Everything is Light.
Bose-Einstein Condensate, a state of matter so cold that the atoms themselves become fluid like, and merge together. Essentially becoming one, larger atom made up of other atoms.
If information is lost in a black hole would that mean once a black hole forms the information of the star that created it would be lost also? Does this mean if you go back in time it would be as if the star never existed, as if it was always a black hole? Would that mean you could never see a black hole form and even black holes you see now may have formed in the future?
Quantum information is ASSUMED to disappear. What if it is stored inside the singulairity or on its surface, or passed on to a new universe? Or is spewed out in quantum foam where matter randomly appears out of nothing in intergalactic space/time?
At first I didn't understand how Einstein-Bose condensate would form around a Gravastar. After all, why would the surrounding space be cooler than deep space. But if extremely redshifted light came out of it could it be an effect like laser cooling?
As I said in one of your previous video's the old Victorian theory of vacuum energy neatly explains the expansion we see and now they tell us that the engine for such a system works as well if not better than black-holes!? Interesting to say the least all you would need is a few of these at the edges of the super clusters and bob your uncle no more need for dark energy.
The gravastar that created our universe would be a super super super super massive gravastar? Would it have the mass of our entire universe? That makes the super massive black holes in our universe look super tiny...
Can you do a video about the comparison of the dark-energy star concept vs the gravastar concept in relation to other alternatives explaining black holes.
Bose Einstein Condensate of what exactly? Molecules, atoms, quarks? As I understand, the BEC we have created here on Earth, is just a bunch of molecules behaving as a single quantum object.
At very low temperature boundaries between particles disappear, waves that are those particles merge. There is a video about that somewhere. I think it's about lowest temperature in universe
There are a lot of problems with this gravastar theory. For instance since absolute zero is -273*C the moment a light wave redshifts beyond this point it disappears. Violating a fundamental law of thermodynamics. This is just one I can think of. I'm sure there are others out there who can spot the more intricate problems.
something i'm not sure i quite get, in order for this bose einstein condensate to form, things need to be close to absolute zero, so if this gravistar is emitting so much radiation/energy... how is the surrounding area cold enough ?
You can't make a black hole evaporate. Black holes don't evaporate in the traditional sense. The word 'evaporate' in this context is a description of the process of particles of the black hole being converted into Hawking radiation. This happens at a set rate and can't be changed. It will take standard stellar-mass black holes an extremely long time to disappear (around 10 followed by 64 zeroes years), and supermassive black holes will take even longer. By the time a standard black hole loses any noticeable mass, humans and the entire solar system will be long dead.
Black holes... from my current understanding, the extreme gravity and additionally, the speeds of any such matter that is entering the event horizon of a black hole, time quite nearly stops. It would take millions of years for the outside observer to notice anything was happening to the particles which land on the surface of a black hole's event horizon due to the extreme difference in time dilation after that gravity shreds the object. (I know that would also be impossible to see given that the light never makes it out) This could mean that the collapse of the star that formed the "Black Hole" is still in the state of collapse, and the rebound is still yet to happen... all the matter, particles, stuff... is yet to explode due to the time dilation on a sliding scale so far out of sync with the observer that there is no motion within our timeframe. Other stars, matter and everything else is in another relative timeframe, allowing anything outside to experience the gravity accumulated by the start of the collapse, and all the other matter still caught by the collapse still on its way to the epicenter of the collapse.
Couldn't a graviton star simply be a star that exhausted or lost its Corona or whatever forces are working at the surface? I'm probably completely off base but it's a thought
So, the black holes gravity is so powerful that nothing can escape. Except for things that escape, such as the jets of charged particles? What are these charged particles composed of? I mean, if protons are mass-less then surely they'd have the greatest chance of avoiding the effects of gravity. Regardless, these jets escape at significant velocity, so the gravity of a black hole is either not as it is described, or I've misinterpreted something. I'll go with the latter. I'm not pretending to be an astrophysicist.
the jets of charged particles that come out as jets are particles that actually are not from black hole but surrounding space around it. While black hole is feasting some of the matter goes in and some gets thrown out. just like leftovers
*+Tilt Georg* Thanks for responding. I went and did a little bit of research and remembered I already knew the answer re: the jets, but had forgotten what I had previously learned. Heh.., short term memory loss and I don't even smoke pot. Damn! Thanks again TG.
if black holes don't exist then where do X-Rays come from since you say that gravistars don't have event horizons, does that then follow they also lack acreation disks? How would a gravistar turn on into a quasar? how would you expect to explain partical jets with respect to gravistars? Just because we can't yet explain singularities, nor the information paradox of black holes doesn't mean they don't exist, all this conjecture really means that we don't understand some mechanisms of black holes yet. just questions I have. I liked your presentation btw.
OK but now we have an actual photograph of a black hole and it resembles pretty much exactly our simulations. Doesn't that refute gravastars, at least if we assume that only one of those celestials exists?
No because gravastars would look and behave exactly like black holes. we dont have a way to measure them apart yet, but in about 10-20 years we just might.
With all this knowledge about the cosmos, I'm now feeling very strange. Every time I look at the stars at night, many emotions are going through my head, which is very overwhelming. The thought that our universe possibly arose from quantum fluctuations (+ many other theories) is emotionally strange. Does anyone feel the same?
I've thought about this, and unless my understanding is faulty (which to be fair, I have to admit is very likely) then the space AT (not just before, not just above) the event horizon space and time are so strongly warped that time doesn't actually pass. Black holes don't age (from the perspective of the black hole) This means that ALL of the mass of the black hole is AT the event horizon. Not just above it or below it (nothing is BELOW the event horizon maybe not even space.) exactly AT the event horizon, in a 2 dimensional space. You can't pass through the event horizon (as many have said) even if you can avoid spaghettification. That is because as you get closer and closer to the event horizon you will be moving through time faster and faster. Observers outside, watching you fall in will see your watch slowing down). You will, from the outside, just sort of fade away as the light coming from you is redshited more and more. Eventually the black hole will evaporate, but this will happen BEFORE you reach the event horizon. If you can prevent your destruction via the tidal forces or other forces that you will experience, you will find yourself moving very near the speed of light in a time AFTER the black hole has completely evaporated. This will be a very VERY long time, as a black hole will only begin losing mass AFTER the amount of energy produced through Hawking Radiation is greater than the energy falling into the black hole from star light and the CMB. The current temperature of the CMB is a bit more than 3 degrees K. I don't remember the temperature of the HR of a stellar mass black hole but I think it's less than 1 degree K and a super massive black hole is much MUCH less than that, so it is going to probably be after (maybe long after) the age of stars and quite possible near the age when the heat death of the universe takes place. You'd find out if physists are right about how the universe will die, but there literally won't be much to see.
"This means that ALL of the mass of the black hole is AT the event horizon." I'm not sure that that is true. Assuming the collapse of matter that forms a black hole is even (that might be a big if) then there is always matter at the centre of the space surrounded by the event horizon when it forms. The event horizon forms _because_ of the matter that is already present; at a certain density there is enough matter present that the escape velocity becomes the speed of light. If there is still infalling matter at that moment, then it will increase the radius of the horizon, and _that_ matter might be trapped at the horizon from our perspective outside the hole. Although, if you were riding the matter in, I guess you wouldn't even notice crossing the event horizon, so it's difficult to say what the "real" situation is.
So if its just a vacuum void, what makes the mass? The condensate on the outside surrounding... nothing?? Or did I just miss something? Black holes originally meant nothing more than objects so dense that light couldnt escape.. which came from observation.. The singularity came after upon theorizing that things depended upon the speed of light to interact and from structures, which would not really be possible in a black hole, hence the infinity and paradox. Might as well be just that out understanding of the fundamental forces of the universe is not correct and a physically tangible entity with extreme densities that result in escape velocity higher than the speed of light can exist while taking up finite amount of space and not resulting in a singularity. Black hole was never a defined thing until people started assuming it was. Its a funky way of saying "we dont know". So gravastar, if that suits you, is just an explanation of what a "black hole" might be. Its not a replacement. Though I still dont get how the hell it makes any more sense than the typical explanation.
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Who's here after the kurzgesagt video?
103k views atm
Amen brother
lol yeah kurz completely skipping over the shell physics
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@@tomking8552Humans are social creatures and they thrive off of this BS. I used to find it annoying too, and then I realized: The “who has had similar experiences and has joined me here” has existed in various forms before you or I were born, and it will persist after we die. You can choose to make your peace with it, or continue to let it bother you. The choice is yours.
I always thought to myself that black holes aren't holes at all but rather hyper massive objects that are warping space around them faster than light can escape. But there actually is something inside, everything that ever fell into it as 1 hyper massive object.
Exactly.
Check out quantum fuzzballs. They are basically the next step up from neutron or quark stars
Well done you literally described a black hole
I believed they were gravastars because they look similar
True. Studying the phenomenon of black holes we can see that they all very in size. Not a hole but an object that keeps building on to itself without limit
I'm sure we all can agree that Anton deserves 100,000 subscribers or even more. He's a really good teacher that takes learning to this type of level. Sometimes I listen to him while I'm falling asleep because his voice just makes me tired, while sometimes I watch him to learn something new about space. Keep it up Anton, sometimes you sound stressed and if you are you don't need to keep making these videos if you don't have fun making them, but anyways keep it up Anton, you're someone who makes everyone's days better
Petricor Yes, he's taught me more about science than any of my teachers.
Almost there.
Petricor he has 109 000 subscribers now
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There was another theory kind of like this that solves the Information Paradox issue but stays with the idea of total collapse. Basically once neutron degeneracy pressure is overcome through gravity, a neutron star collapses in to a quark star. This would have enough gravity to form an event horizon around the star but there would still be a ball of quarks in the center and no singularity, preserving the quantum information that falls on to it.
AarkTheDragon seriously? That theory exists? I came up with an exact similar one when I was writing down my theories on what black holes could be.
@@srsorrow1708 clearly you did.
Quark stars don’t have event horizons
But the event horizon comes with space time flipping and all those weird stuff that would collapse the star into a singularity anyway
I've been thinking about the same thing for quite some time. In my theory, matter does not collapse into nothingness at all but instead hyper compacted into ultra-dense ball of sub-atomic particles like quark or Bose-Einstein matter. That state of matter will also exert gravitational force so strong that even light cannot escape, therefore it's a black hole in a sense but with ultra-dense form of matter at the center. And that is the reason why black holes grow in size when it pulls tremendous amount of matter into it. Because the matter that it pulls simply add to it's mass and size, which simply proves that some form of matter still exist at the center and not just energy. And that is also why there's jets of sub-atomic particles like photons coming from the opposite "poles" of the black hole. It only proves that there's still a spherical shape of ultra-dense matter that is spinning so rapidly, maybe at the speed of light or even greater which accelerates part of matter that it pulls into jet's of high energy particles shooting away from the poles. On the other hand, if the black holes have nothing but gravitational energy, then the jet's of high energy particles at the "poles" will not be possible at all. All matter that it pulls will simply go into the hole, disappear and nothing will escape at all. It also will not increase the size of the black hole.
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He is Canadian, Heh? *CANADIAN* okay?
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There's these things called "books" that do that even better.
@@mortkebab2849 there's this thing called minding your own business, it's great
If gravastars exist rather than black holes, then we have a giant gravastar at the center of our galaxy with a child universe growing inside it?
oooh that is so adorable i hope it's true.
Not much different then, than it would be with a blackhole cause a lot of scientist have also hypothesized that the implosion of a star into a black hole creates a new universe inside the black hole through a big bang expansion of spacetime just like our own.
Robert Phoenix so we are made from a black hole we as in all things
If this video is right, it likely is.
It would explain the sudden change in the acceleration of the universe - something changed at the parent gravastar. But that raises another issue: What about the universe outside the gravastar? and if it's too inside a gravastar, what's of the universe outside THAT? What was thje first universe? We'll still need to explain that. And how much further we can keep this chicken and egg system going? Does each child universe have less energy?
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I've been thinking about the same thing for quite some time. In my theory, matter does not collapse into nothingness at all but instead hyper compacted into ultra-dense ball of sub-atomic particles like quark or Bose-Einstein matter. That state of matter will also exert gravitational force so strong that even light cannot escape, therefore it's a black hole in a sense but with ultra-dense form of matter at the center. And that is the reason why black holes grow in size when it pulls tremendous amount of matter into it. Because the matter that it pulls simply add to it's mass and size, which simply proves that some form of matter still exist at the center and not just energy. And that is also why there's jets of sub-atomic particles like photons coming from the opposite "poles" of the black hole. It only proves that there's still a spherical shape of ultra-dense matter that is spinning so rapidly, maybe at the speed of light or even greater which accelerates part of matter that it pulls into jet's of high energy particles shooting away from the poles. On the other hand, if the black holes have nothing but gravitational energy, then the jet's of high energy particles at the "poles" will not be possible at all. All matter that it pulls will simply go into the hole, disappear and nothing will escape at all. It also will not increase the size of the black hole.
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this is acctualy a very interesting video, thx for the knowledge anton
Any chance you can make a new video on this? It's fascinating
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Hello wonderful Anton!
After you've watched every sciencey show/documentary/lecture on the internet....you come here, for this kind of awesomeness. Love your videos man! Primo content.
Why can't information be destroyed. For example, when I get too drunk, the next day the information of what I did got destroyed :D
That information isn't destroyed, just seems that way because tidal forces prevent that information from getting through. Instead the information propogates through space where it's reflected back from other systems. This then causes a dramatic red shift and the emination of a new type of radiation...."shame"
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Please do not teach children this nonsense... This is just an asshole pretending to know QM and Relativity.
@@Phaleel Anton's qualifications in theory have no bearing on whether or not the ideas he describes are "nonsense." It's possible to relay information you don't quite comprehend, and although that isn't ideal, it is also not damning.
@@Phaleel I mean, a good portion of his content is him paraphrasing info from journals to be more palatable for most people. Unless you're saying the studies in said journals are also nonsense from assholes, in which case I'll tell you get a real job.
Youre in third grade?
Must be in fourth grade by now huh?
@@Phaleel what are you talking about?
I came up with this idea like 10 years ago. That black holes are not actually holes, but a soup of closely compact matter that its gravity doesn't let light escape. A denser version of a neutron star
Gravstars would actually look pretty much the same as real black holes, since they're dense enough for their surface radiation to be redshifted into black and for the gravitational lensing to occur
that's a problem tho, isn't it? i mean...
if it looks like a duck,
if it smells like a duck,
if it quacks like a duck,
is it not just a duck?
@@derekscanlan4641 Maybe the duck is full of mechanics and is animatronic and scented. It's the inside that matters, not just the outside!
@@derekscanlan4641 you're assuming you're not dealing with someone who has never seen a fucking duck before.
We're dealing with an unknown that has many unknown qualities. Basically you're seeing a shadow of a duck. But you've never seen a duck before. Can you tell me what it is? You might be able to tell me what it isn't. Which is pretty much what we're capable of.
@@derekscanlan4641you can know the difference from the way they collide the sounds are different
maybe our universe is one big gravastar and we are all matter that was sucked into it.
That's what I love about Anton, the fact he also treats new theories. And as always, bye-bye.
Things about Anton.
He doesnt bore us with advanced mathematics. He gives us all the gooey info we want without the technical jargon clogging up the air ways. As a great band once said. Anton ain't noise pollution.
The concept of a Gravastar is kinda hard to grasp at first, but it is really interesting . Weird I've never heard of one till now considering how long as the idea has been around, really enjoyed this video.
Could you please do a video (or two) on the Shapley Attractor and the Dipole Repellor?
Forget black holes, please do a whole in depth study into neutron stars...Neutron Stars are without a doubt existent and way way more interesting than any other object. We can learn so much!
Thank you wonderful person!!!
I agree, I've been making a few videos about them. should be in this list ua-cam.com/play/PL9hNFus3sjE583xjUrcWL43JVQE9nC5qi.html
Singularities are certainly impossible, we have known this for ages because of quantum principles. This was why Einstein never believed they could form and we still have no way to describe how a singularity can form, everyone's just been hand waving that part.
Well we have now a photo of a black hole that looks as predicated based of previous knowledge. Also keep in mind that Einstein's gravity itself can't exist because of quantum principles. When they try to add it all they get is black holes all over the place.
Quantum physics is far from impeccable; someone will think of an explanation that isn't complete rubbish from over-imaginative children eventually
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nope as a person who has learned astronomy and physics i highly doubt it the fact that a super massive gravstar being in the middle of our galaxy and every other galaxy sounds way more surreal than a tear in space time. but who knows
We don't have the physics to describe how matter and energy behaves in those kinds of extreme conditions. That lacking is what created the mathematical construct that is the singularity.
I was just about getting my head around black holes and then Anton throws Gravastars into the mix! Thanks, Anton!
I guess I am back to being as thick as a Plank limit!
String Theory also kind of solves the black hole information paradox, were the particles inside are sucked infinitely close to each other, but not into a Singularity. This object is called a "Fuzzball" because it's a ball of Strings, and has all the other properties of a black hole.
As close together as possible without being in the same place, aka "touching". I didn't say touching at first because what we think of as touching is actually not, since the electrons in atoms actually repel each other.
Love your content! Thanks for being wonderful, Anton.
Personally I like the word gravatar vice gravastar. I mean we already have magnatars why not gravatars. Also you mean Bose Einstein condensate, cool video.
Additionally hypothesis, the gravastar seems like the perfect candidate for the polar opposite of a black hole. Meaning that gravastars are inverted sustained quantum black holes, these could also be proto black holes that after a certain point invert back out into space. Almost folding a planet back out of a black hole, with the sum light frequency of the black hole it was formed from.
The gravistar theory makes much more sense than the black hole theories. Thanks for the presentation.
we learn more every day thanks to your videos, its these fundamental assumptions in science that teach the most about what there is to learn out there and how we fill the information gap until we have enough knowledge to come to a better understanding
"After this fart the light becomes to hard to see"
Thank autocaptions. You always bring the lulz.
Hello wonderful Anton, this is person!
One thing: the Gravastar appearing to be cold, and it actualy being cold, are two different things. There's no way so much stuff in close proximity is actualy cold, since cold is the lack of energy. The Gravastar absorbes the kinetic energy of everything that falls on it, after all.
Thank you for all the great info. Keep playing in that sandbox...so cool
When ever the topic turns to black holes i cant help but think of steven hawkins telling his vision of an opera singer stuck in a moment singing the same note for all of etetnity at the event horizon of a black hole. My thinking on his vision is this. Light like rocks and minerals has its own unique properties and characteristics that we use to identify it with . One of lights best known properties is it travels at 186,000 miles a second .so if the opera singers image was trapped in a field he would no longer have the property of light and his image would not still be stuck in the moment. And i believe this is also true of the light in a black hole. I believe that the most popular definition of a black hole should be changed from " a blackhole is a collapsed star whos gravity is such that light cant escape" to a black hole is a collapsed star whos gravity is such that light can not exsist.
I'd be curious to know if there has been any updates on this particular research in recent years?
Certainly a better idea than a black hole... The Dark Star theory predates the black hole + singularity model.
one word.... SAFIRE. Look it up. Universe is electrically/plasma based. Changes everything.
Makes as much sense as any other theory.
It is even possible black holes are an area of space that is so cold all activity ceases.
Nobody knows, and the way we are headed, nobody ever will :(.
I seriously doubt the highest frequency of light is the Planck length but you never know. I prefer the idea of a space being a lattice of variable sized cells where gravity shrinks the cell size. Matter is deformation patterns in the lattice. The core of a black hole over a certain mass or lattice density annihilates excess matter back to regular=empty lattice from the inside out as the black hole feeds and grows... A tiny lattice expansion wave occurs with each annihilation, adding up to dark energy but the lattice inside the hollow core still remains immensely compressed compared to the surrounding galaxy. A universe grows inside the core of a large/dense enough black hole...
There are also Planck Stars and Plasmoids as other competing replacemens that don't have singularities like Black Holes do with our current limitations to Einstein's Field equations.
Anton- would a beam of light blue shited by a gravastar to below the planck length, would it basically be a solid object at that point? Would it be able to interact with the universe in any way light a super gamma ray or would it exist in some other dimension of space entirely?
You sir have earned yourself a new subscriber!
Seems like one my my theory papers proposed that there were no bhs, that they are actually a photon maze. Magnetically confined light in a maze. No gravity involved.
I like this idea too except for the low temperature you suggest. How could it be possible to be close to zero Kelvin?
It may be possible for the temperature to be insanely high but be irrelevant because the other factors are so extreme that they effectively mask or counteract the effects of high temperature.
A hyper massive Blue straggler becoming a Magnatar star exhibiting high momentum due to proton and neutron fused as part of the Blackhole.
Black Holes vs GRAVASTAR just too see what it does.
Cool. Great work dude
I believe that a black hole could be a super massive atom in which it's atomic number would be the sum of every proton. Obviously nothing more than speculation, but it is a testable hypothesis. We can try see if energy levels when they form match what the atomic transmutation energy would be.
Hooray new form of matter, ICE!!!
I think scientists are trying to find these ( In the Maths ) as a way to not deal with the information problem they have with black holes.
It doesn't mean black holes don't exist.
We have to remember that a black hole bends space... and time due to the crazy gravity it has.
Which would suggest that maybe any information going into a black hole is in fact in another time and space.
That doesn't mean any information is lost, just that it has gone somewhere else.
I don't fully understand why the information being lost is such a problem?
I can not believe that there are universe inside a black hole,or our universe is in side a black hole, because, if the blackhole absorbs a star then, matter will appear 'magicly' in our universe from out of no where!
planck length is the smallest expression of information that can measured, from our Dimension of Observation. But a single planck length contains an infinite number of smaller Dimensions of Observation. Just as our Universe is a single point of quantum probability, in an macro sea of infinite other Dimensions of Observation.
All of these dimensions are separated by boundaries of Causality. Regions where no information can be transmitted or observed. The wavelengths of energy just become so small, or so large, that they can no longer transfer information.
The secret to the "black hole" is that it is not a hole, or black. It is a mass of tiny uniform energy fields that form layers like an onion to to a point where the particles in the middle, can no longer contain energy. They cannot become excited. This creates a negative energy. Contained form of quantum vacuum.
Everything we can Observe is floating in the quantum Field. A sort of, 4 dimensional foam. The center of what we call a black hole, is separated from that foam. Zero Point Energy is the theory that explains this interaction. It is the only means allowed by quantum mechanics to achieve absolute zero.
The singularity is a ridiculous theory that never held up to observations or predicted anything useful. Reality is an infinitely nested series of Russian Matryoshka dolls. In both directions. That is how infinity is created. By divisible wavelength. Just Nikola Tesla tried to tell us. Everything is Light.
What about galaxy formation?
Bose-Einstein Condensate, a state of matter so cold that the atoms themselves become fluid like, and merge together. Essentially becoming one, larger atom made up of other atoms.
I looked it up a while ago.
If information is lost in a black hole would that mean once a black hole forms the information of the star that created it would be lost also? Does this mean if you go back in time it would be as if the star never existed, as if it was always a black hole? Would that mean you could never see a black hole form and even black holes you see now may have formed in the future?
Quantum information is ASSUMED to disappear. What if it is stored inside the singulairity or on its surface, or passed on to a new universe? Or is spewed out in quantum foam where matter randomly appears out of nothing in intergalactic space/time?
Each square inch would weigh probably the mass of couple suns OR MORE...universal scales be hard to fathom lol
You should really worry about Steven Hawking knocking at your door at 3 am., and you will have the question is tis video worth it?
My theory video suggests that gravastars are inside of black holes, the only thing that holds gravastars in place, is the Pauli exclusion principle
This is interesting as now there's a lot of questions like are gravitational waves caused by colliding gravastars? First time using that word!
At first I didn't understand how Einstein-Bose condensate would form around a Gravastar. After all, why would the surrounding space be cooler than deep space. But if extremely redshifted light came out of it could it be an effect like laser cooling?
It kinda makes more sense than a black hole.
That thing about Quantum info disappearing in black holes... sounds a lot like Data Degradation in a computer program...
Such a nice idea 💡
As I said in one of your previous video's the old Victorian theory of vacuum energy neatly explains the expansion we see and now they tell us that the engine for such a system works as well if not better than black-holes!? Interesting to say the least all you would need is a few of these at the edges of the super clusters and bob your uncle no more need for dark energy.
The gravastar that created our universe would be a super super super super massive gravastar? Would it have the mass of our entire universe? That makes the super massive black holes in our universe look super tiny...
Can you do a video about the comparison of the dark-energy star concept vs the gravastar concept in relation to other alternatives explaining black holes.
Good video.keep up the good work.
Why doesn't the gravastar warp space-time like a black hole in universe sandbox? They don't add that in the game?
Bose Einstein Condensate of what exactly?
Molecules, atoms, quarks?
As I understand, the BEC we have created here on Earth, is just a bunch of molecules behaving as a single quantum object.
At very low temperature boundaries between particles disappear, waves that are those particles merge. There is a video about that somewhere. I think it's about lowest temperature in universe
I'll summarise the whole video: A black hole without a point based singularity, instead > 0.
fascinating stuff .. question .. do extra dimensions Actually exist, or are they just theoretical constructs ?
i love the intro and i subscibed
There are a lot of problems with this gravastar theory. For instance since absolute zero is -273*C the moment a light wave redshifts beyond this point it disappears. Violating a fundamental law of thermodynamics. This is just one I can think of. I'm sure there are others out there who can spot the more intricate problems.
So, if a gravastar's are only ever tiny?
We now know already, that huge black holes exist!
Where did you get that idea from? Who did they're only ever tiny?
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I thought that's what he said right at the beginning of the episode
something i'm not sure i quite get, in order for this bose einstein condensate to form, things need to be close to absolute zero, so if this gravistar is emitting so much radiation/energy... how is the surrounding area cold enough ?
Anton, what is the fastest you could make a black hole evaporate?
You can't make a black hole evaporate. Black holes don't evaporate in the traditional sense. The word 'evaporate' in this context is a description of the process of particles of the black hole being converted into Hawking radiation. This happens at a set rate and can't be changed. It will take standard stellar-mass black holes an extremely long time to disappear (around 10 followed by 64 zeroes years), and supermassive black holes will take even longer. By the time a standard black hole loses any noticeable mass, humans and the entire solar system will be long dead.
Black holes... from my current understanding, the extreme gravity and additionally, the speeds of any such matter that is entering the event horizon of a black hole, time quite nearly stops. It would take millions of years for the outside observer to notice anything was happening to the particles which land on the surface of a black hole's event horizon due to the extreme difference in time dilation after that gravity shreds the object. (I know that would also be impossible to see given that the light never makes it out) This could mean that the collapse of the star that formed the "Black Hole" is still in the state of collapse, and the rebound is still yet to happen... all the matter, particles, stuff... is yet to explode due to the time dilation on a sliding scale so far out of sync with the observer that there is no motion within our timeframe. Other stars, matter and everything else is in another relative timeframe, allowing anything outside to experience the gravity accumulated by the start of the collapse, and all the other matter still caught by the collapse still on its way to the epicenter of the collapse.
Couldn't a graviton star simply be a star that exhausted or lost its Corona or whatever forces are working at the surface? I'm probably completely off base but it's a thought
So, the black holes gravity is so powerful that nothing can escape. Except for things that escape, such as the jets of charged particles? What are these charged particles composed of? I mean, if protons are mass-less then surely they'd have the greatest chance of avoiding the effects of gravity. Regardless, these jets escape at significant velocity, so the gravity of a black hole is either not as it is described, or I've misinterpreted something. I'll go with the latter. I'm not pretending to be an astrophysicist.
the jets of charged particles that come out as jets are particles that actually are not from black hole but surrounding space around it. While black hole is feasting some of the matter goes in and some gets thrown out. just like leftovers
*+Tilt Georg*
Thanks for responding. I went and did a little bit of research and remembered I already knew the answer re: the jets, but had forgotten what I had previously learned. Heh.., short term memory loss and I don't even smoke pot. Damn! Thanks again TG.
no probs. sorry for bad grammar though its not my first language
It's September 23rd. Are we dead yet?
Apparently, you're fooled by those conspiracy theorist
tl;dr: Nope.
Oh I completely forgot that they came up with that bullshit again.
Im from the future and i say no
Due to an unforeseen event, the apocalypse has been rescheduled for October 15th :P
Anthony Holloway lol.
Anton- what do you understand about plasmoids, & the Electric Theory of the Universe. Is it viable?
Put simply. No.
@@Unethical.FandubsGames Thanks, but I was asking Anton. I dont care to hear uninformed, unfounded opinions from random people.
if black holes don't exist then where do X-Rays come from since you say that gravistars don't have event horizons, does that then follow they also lack acreation disks? How would a gravistar turn on into a quasar? how would you expect to explain partical jets with respect to gravistars? Just because we can't yet explain singularities, nor the information paradox of black holes doesn't mean they don't exist, all this conjecture really means that we don't understand some mechanisms of black holes yet. just questions I have. I liked your presentation btw.
Very informative.
Could gravastars be at the centers of galaxies classified as having active galactic nuclei and producing astrophysical jets?
So you don't get spaghettified but more like baguettified.
OK but now we have an actual photograph of a black hole and it resembles pretty much exactly our simulations. Doesn't that refute gravastars, at least if we assume that only one of those celestials exists?
No because gravastars would look and behave exactly like black holes. we dont have a way to measure them apart yet, but in about 10-20 years we just might.
It is always good when empirical evidence is discovered.
So does the recent photo of a black hole negate this?
Anton Your voice have really changed. Or is it the equipment
With all this knowledge about the cosmos, I'm now feeling very strange. Every time I look at the stars at night, many emotions are going through my head, which is very overwhelming. The thought that our universe possibly arose from quantum fluctuations (+ many other theories) is emotionally strange. Does anyone feel the same?
Yes
question if it is not a event horizon does that mean if we fall in one can we escape one?
I've thought about this, and unless my understanding is faulty (which to be fair, I have to admit is very likely) then the space AT (not just before, not just above) the event horizon space and time are so strongly warped that time doesn't actually pass. Black holes don't age (from the perspective of the black hole)
This means that ALL of the mass of the black hole is AT the event horizon. Not just above it or below it (nothing is BELOW the event horizon maybe not even space.) exactly AT the event horizon, in a 2 dimensional space.
You can't pass through the event horizon (as many have said) even if you can avoid spaghettification. That is because as you get closer and closer to the event horizon you will be moving through time faster and faster. Observers outside, watching you fall in will see your watch slowing down).
You will, from the outside, just sort of fade away as the light coming from you is redshited more and more.
Eventually the black hole will evaporate, but this will happen BEFORE you reach the event horizon. If you can prevent your destruction via the tidal forces or other forces that you will experience, you will find yourself moving very near the speed of light in a time AFTER the black hole has completely evaporated.
This will be a very VERY long time, as a black hole will only begin losing mass AFTER the amount of energy produced through Hawking Radiation is greater than the energy falling into the black hole from star light and the CMB.
The current temperature of the CMB is a bit more than 3 degrees K. I don't remember the temperature of the HR of a stellar mass black hole but I think it's less than 1 degree K and a super massive black hole is much MUCH less than that, so it is going to probably be after (maybe long after) the age of stars and quite possible near the age when the heat death of the universe takes place.
You'd find out if physists are right about how the universe will die, but there literally won't be much to see.
"This means that ALL of the mass of the black hole is AT the event horizon."
I'm not sure that that is true. Assuming the collapse of matter that forms a black hole is even (that might be a big if) then there is always matter at the centre of the space surrounded by the event horizon when it forms. The event horizon forms _because_ of the matter that is already present; at a certain density there is enough matter present that the escape velocity becomes the speed of light.
If there is still infalling matter at that moment, then it will increase the radius of the horizon, and _that_ matter might be trapped at the horizon from our perspective outside the hole. Although, if you were riding the matter in, I guess you wouldn't even notice crossing the event horizon, so it's difficult to say what the "real" situation is.
Eric Taylor mm that's interesting and might be true
So if its just a vacuum void, what makes the mass? The condensate on the outside surrounding... nothing?? Or did I just miss something?
Black holes originally meant nothing more than objects so dense that light couldnt escape.. which came from observation.. The singularity came after upon theorizing that things depended upon the speed of light to interact and from structures, which would not really be possible in a black hole, hence the infinity and paradox. Might as well be just that out understanding of the fundamental forces of the universe is not correct and a physically tangible entity with extreme densities that result in escape velocity higher than the speed of light can exist while taking up finite amount of space and not resulting in a singularity.
Black hole was never a defined thing until people started assuming it was. Its a funky way of saying "we dont know". So gravastar, if that suits you, is just an explanation of what a "black hole" might be. Its not a replacement. Though I still dont get how the hell it makes any more sense than the typical explanation.
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