2015 Maps of Meaning 07a: Mythology: Chaos / Part 1 (Jordan Peterson)
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Maps of Meaning is a great work, well worth the struggle over 15 years. I hope to learn more about it from you and put some of it into practice in my life activities and interests. I think Dr Peterson will be thought of as the Freud/Jung/et al of modern times.
These lectures are an inexhaustible source of wisdom and practicality. This is priceless. We can't thank you enough for sharing your well-earned treasure of education with us all. ❤
I sure wish that all psychologists were a brilliant as Jordan Peterson. Really learning a long in the Maps of Meaning. We'd probably have very mentally healthy people in our nation if others even touched a bit of his skills.
my god, Thank you so much, my life would have been destroyed if not for Dr, Jordan peterson.
I thank your from the core of my heart.
“You get the chance briefly to see what that person could be like if you interacted with them the most perfect way you could. It’s like a glimpse into a potential extraordinary positive future. So the vision emerges and it shuts. And it is up to you to build it, to make it happen to take what you see and transform into reality.”
Well articulated insight about love. Instead of thinking of it like “yeah it is all delusion” blabla, here is a constructive, at least a practicable plan.
Thank you Mr. Peterson.
Watching Dr. Peterson trying to find through his slides at 1:01:21 is so relaxing...
Why is there not 10 hours of this?? Lets google "Jordan Peterson clicking and typing for 10 hours" c'mon Internet... you can do it...
Weekly feedback is my big practicing reason to be a Christian. Every Sunday I pray on the hardest stuff this week at church.
I read The Archetypes and the Collective Unconcious back in the early 90s. The Fischer King with Robin Williams was partt of this, the hero's journey.
Archetypal exploration helped shape my understandings of my world when (and aftter) searching meaning in all types of religions couldn't.
Mythology, or even the myths of man collectively are what help me understand myself in the world. At different times and needs in my world, this is the faith/s that temper me.
Thank you. 1:10:00 Definition of Reality
I encourage others whether Christian or not to pray for their highest ideals even if they're afraid. This will teach other people to support you in your goals.
Self is who you are, ego is who you think you are.
The answer to the very last question was beautiful
1:24:00 I think this is where stoicism plays its part by abandoning your day map and just focusing on whatever happens you will just remain calm and composed.
I just realized his whole explanation of reality is a breakdown of the exchange in dialogue, "what do I do? Watch out for the snakes."
On his nephews story.
Clash of the titans. Perseus's shield was used as a mirror to "see" medusa. Who is the archetype of a beautiful women.
Meaning mentally reflect back the stare that attractive women give like a shield of protection "neg". To turn her to stone instead of her turning you into stone.
Mythology and theology give you all the tools you need to move through life without fear. If you look deeper into the stories instead of the surface level.
What a powerful lecture!
LOL!
Damn. I think this is'll be one of my favorite ones.
I believe that words matter and that's why praying for sobriety and fasting matters.
My highest ideal is much skinnier and zero drugs so I pray on that and look to my church for support.
23:46 What is abstraction, and what are symbols?
Watch from this point on 25:47 It will blow your mind.
thanks for the lecture
Stuff ages like fine wine.
I love that Peterson can burp and still be articulate 1:15:07
I need to fix my damn map XD Thank you for your lecture, JP .
Apes who played with fire. I like that ancestor idea more than the magical mud-pie Adam.
It just makes more sense.
+Jordan B Peterson Maybe Adam is the archetypal ape who found out that being careless about poisonous fruit and snakes makes you dead, and it's awareness of that mortality that made all the other apes since then want to build civilization to help alleviate it.
When you were discussing what does and doesn't matter, it's just like when deaf people get implants and they hear for the first time. Lots of the people that get the hearing implants end up at first begging to get them turned off because everything becomes overwhelming. The Brain eventually filters out the sounds that aren't important and then they can focus like a normal hearing person.
This is fascinating... Do you have more info or a link on this?
Two cans of soda, Dr. Peterson? Health hazard. I think the two cans of soda represent order and chaos (or Yin and Yang); Dr. Peterson is the hero, and the laptop is the unknown.
Some of the apostles said that fasting has special value unobtainable by simply eating healthy.
Brilliant.
With this lecture, I'm convinced that we need an out of context mash-up with Dr. Peterson and Neil Degrasse Tyson. 😇🥰
ive gotten so much from these videos . thank you
Great talk. Could have had a few more commercials though. Not nearly enough. 😆
@13:40 peterson unconsciously balances the fabled coke zero along that ridge at the base of the can.
Coke zero, Diet coke is a fucking poison that fucks up gut flora. No wonder he had a lot of mental health issues before his water and meat diet.
1:39:45 = sorta like solitary confinement. Reminds me of the scene from the Shawshank Redemption; but the prisoner seemed to not mind being in the cave, it was the real world that actually caused him a lot of pain
On the word of pastor David brown my father should not be anxious about the apocrypha
I'm praying for weight loss because I think it would help my mental health.
Thanks
Pastor David brown said a new school year of Christianity. Class is in session but some won't go.
Videogold , thank you very much Professor Peterson!
On the Minneapolis Police departments endorsement I believe all drugs are sin including caffeine and we regulate them here on earth based on the repentance to addiction ratio.
Truly the binses are much farther from heaven than the vestals.
What i take with me from this lecture is the urge to drink a coke zero. :D Just kidding. Awesome lecture as always, Professor Peterson! :)
“Your parents say live up to your potential… *takes large gulp of poison* WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THAT?!”
When you're listening to Jordan and he says pistol...
... in a classroom😯😯😯😆😆😆
Your stuff is inspiring
What he says Just it hits you in the deeps ( at least in me)
+Alberto Carvalho archetypal.
1:12:18 = which means Dr. Peterson started thinking about this when he was at least 23, maybe younger
I'm praying that my parents someday understand scripture to be defined as living words.
Is there any studied correlation between beauty/simmetry and IQ?
Thank you for the teachings, Jordan Peterson. I have a question. Have you thought about adding a Q&A for the students/audience after your lectures, to allow a more interactive process?
Thank you and keep up the encouraging work!
-Cal Howard
1:18:20 = from cubits in Bible times to qubits in the modern world
I believe during the revelation all withdrawals will torture the addicts.
1:31:50 = how does one know whether the hole has been repaired? Not being conscious of the hole or not being bothered by it, does this mean the hole is insignificant and not worth worrying about?
Christian Bible study is a form of brainstorming, a commonly used problem solving technique in engineering.
You gotta be real street smart to eat safely in moms house. I spend hours planning meals!
The fire face mickey mouse voice is hilarious. Around 21. mins
What are the implications of those closing lines? How does one know if they are following the life of meaning and going about seeing the 'correct' meaning and not improper meaning?
1:27:03 = well, Google Maps actually does that in the Philippines. It's not updated in the Philippines at all. iMaps is the same thing. Good luck using GPS in the Philippines. Talk about the unknown, that is complete chaos.
The Bible says not to eat too much. We're supposed to work on weight management as christians.
Is there a link to the slides shown on the screen?
constructivist6 probably not. But I think his later lectures he recorded have the slides so you can see them. I would go to his channel and playlists and check a later series.
1:28:00
33:45 I don't think "what could you do about that" is a leading question - it doesn't lead the witness to any specific answer
It implies there is, in fact, something that you CAN do about it. I think that's how he means it's a leading question.
Just a thought
1:34:00 morals
❤
It would be nice to see the slides
Truly I say to you as a criminal here on earth with a presidential endorsement from the Minneapolis Police who used to drop acid that even chocolate is a sin against the lord God of israel.
If abstraction and symbolic thinking is what differentiates humans from animals, and the manipulation of symbols is more or less the essence of magic, then I guess humans are magicians in some sense. I’m sure everything we do looks like magic to animals. Treats appearing from cupboards then disappearing again. Cold turkey going into a heat box and emitting a delicious smell after a few hours. Your humans disappearing in moving metal boxes and retuning home in the evening covered in foreign and distant scents.
1:39:55 Only what you take with you.
Dr. Peterson needs a new laptop! >
he uses it for slides, not for minecraft
So if openness manifests as the ability to vividly recall and reproduce dreams as well as reading more fiction...the line I'm drawing between the two of those is imagination and suggestion. But then there's another part of openness, manifested as seeking out psychedelic and entheogenic experiences which is a trait I presume is more common of males. So if women read more fiction and men trip more, is there a fragmentation of the openness trait going on here?
Sam Collett restless spirits n freeqtion reading rite in the or not to who'd been.. . N btw... Better not. The efforts n devotions otherwise wasted maintainded alL that reality deny the ridiculous illusive true "regularily
... Then i appreaciate intelLect :') ;
Okay, but what does anxiety have to do with thermodynamics?
In thermodynamics, "entropy" is defined as the logarithm of the number of possible states. For that reason, it is applicable to anything that has possible states, including messages you might receive on a channel, which is the basis of "information theory." So that same principle is applicable to possible states of your own future. So, presumably, the paper argues that anxiety is a measure of the entropy of your possible futures.
Love it so far!
Question: Why do more people have phobias to snakes, mice, or spiders than to other more obvious and serious predators like bears, wolves, tigers etc? If humans' fear of snakes has been assumed to come from our ancestors' trouble with snakes, then what's the explanation for other threats that haven't made their way in our biological endowment?
I'm sure you weren't asking me, but here goes my theory: mice, snakes and insects tend to share the same habitat as humans, thus representing a real, daily threat. On the contrary, bears and tigers were exceptional encounters. Wolves are dogs, and we all love dogs.
Moreover, my biology teacher back in highschool once told us that the reason we're so grossed out by mice is that they're our prime evolutionary rivals: that's why a single mouse may actually look cute to somebody, while a bunch of mice is almost universally disgusting.
(I'm not lecturing you, I just thought your question was really interesting)
substitute mammal for ancestor.
1:29:00 = apparently, a London taxi driver has a bachelor's degree in driving
9:00 pyloerection
Your car dies. What is the territory that it presents itself to you? Many things? Yes, many things if you live in your subjectivity. Another car might drive by and not stop. The aliens might land and try to help you start your car. They might get Osiris to look at your car with his one eye. The worlds of possibilities open up. You are hostage to the crazy totality of your subjectivity and if you continue with the phenomenological existential view point, you would have anxiety coursing through my veins like Heidegger skiing down an icy cliff in the Black Forest. This is bad. What do you do? Change your philosophy!
um...or analyze the situation and fix it. The world is indeed complicated.
Yes! To fix it would require you to get out of your subjectivity and be more objective.
...providing aliens DON'T land and Osiris ISN'T looking at you with his eye....(which we all know he is nowadays).........
Exactly!
1:08:02 deep
Notice how the Christian church is civilized enough to think about something like dieting where as my parents house is not?
Just like the only way to get into heaven is to read the book and go to class.
Fasting forces your body to detoxify its fat cells and that's why it's so healthy.
Soon hopefully space dwelling primates, hopefully not an engulfed by a red giant star primates.
how about about if evolution is wrong!?
Can I offer an insight that may be the one you are looking for? When you study post-colonial theory you get the sense that there is a blind spot in our thinking that was created by colonialism: that non-white societies and communities have nothing to teach, yet when you extend the set of conditions to 160 million years like you have this concept of being "uncivilized" is akin to saying that we have nothing to learn from our earlier selves; and this immediately goes against common sense and casts light on the blind spot because the current direction of scientific studies is inward and scientists have the choice of reinventing the wheel or studying what humans have discovered and created advancements about things in this world that are empirical, but not with eyesight and are akin to mysticism or consciousness. What about physics you say, its not conciousness its about the physical? Well the more we study the structure of physics the more the results make suggestions about the observer, forcing the study to go within consciousness even as the object of study goes further towards the external world. Sorry if I am not very clear, I find that I get more clarity when I have consumed cannabis, and its been a long time.
He switched to Coke zero. A gentleman of good taste, I see!
19:25 = epiglottis?
What would he say now, if someone got PTSD from a look?😂😂😂
If you truly believes church happens every 7 days and the Bible is the same always then you can time your weight loss goals and sobriety goals and quit plans to the church.
Why no captions nor transcript?
1:46:00 Yes yes yes
All fine but why is the speach so borderline hysterical and violent? My years hurt.
I need to lose weight and quit the tobacco store.
thats great and all but DA FUUUAAAKK is that laptop
American Archipelago
1:02:45 thanos thighs
I think JK Rowling is a half fake. Like the "mockingbird" woman is/was too.
Someone has fed these women all the data they wish to express, and done a heck of an editing job.
Its a kind of "secret and hidden info".
1:25:00
1:24:56