People have done a good job covering most other aspects, so I'll bring up something I haven't mentioned - the rather unique direction old Blizz took with the Scourge theme-wise. Sure, they could've gone with any ol' spooky-scary-skeleton theming and music, and indeed Necromancers and whatnot sport the aesthetic - but then there's the sheer awesome discordant, almost modern electronic-feeling music made of crazy chimes and energetic fast-paced rhythms. It's not a shambling wall of zombies or a classic horror - it's an energetic predatory force running on arcane energy and evil cultish magic, and it sounds that way. And the more diverse and unusual sides of the Scourge, like the Nerubian buildings or the meat wagon catapults, help drive the point home. It's an army of the dead that is "alive" with its evil purpose. I still remember how lowkey hyped I was to hear the Scourge-style music return in early WoW, and how I felt it was kind of a mistake that they leaned more into "typical" horror music with much of Scourge-themed stuff later on, to the point where "classic" Scourge music returning in the 5-man Icecrown instances sometimes felt like a return to form, however brief.
you've been to quel'thalas in the Orc Misson "the Dead of Silvermoon" when you can build your first Temple of the damned. according to the new "fan made version of WC2" the Horde entered Quel'thalas, but were never able to raze Silvermoon.
@@mickcraftgaming I just checked, starting with "The Runestone of Caer Darrow" all the Oc missions take place in Quel'thalas - it's even mentioned as ACT 3 "Quel'thalas"
one last thing to note: if there are no more trees near the Graveyard, have an Acolyte unsummon the Graveyard tto refund 50% of your gold & build another one near the trees
Yeah she's cool - if anything, her story arc is just complicated and confusing at this point. I wish we got to see her sister Alleria in The Frozen Throne when they went to Outland
The Quel'thalas missions in Reforged are some of the best but at the same time laziest reuse of assets in all of WC3R. As we know between Regin of Chaos and The Frozen Throne the Elves turn into the Blood Elves and part of that change is a full change up to the character models, well WC3R does that too, if you go looking in the map editor you can actually find both a High Elf and Blood Elf variant to most of the Elves, i say most because some Elves clearly don't have a RoC twin such as the Bloof Elf Engineers or Spellbreakers, however two of the Models you would HOPE that would be is the Archer and the Swordsmen, Warcraft 3 Reforged however decided that, THAT wasn't actually important enough to create a second unit for, so in the RoC missions you actually see that the High Elf Swordsmen and the Archer are both using their TFT models and it's not just like they are reusing the Blood Elf Lieutenant either it's a full on new model that only has Green eyes and Red Highlights. This is even funnier when you realize that for the archers they created an entire model for Jennalla Deemspring (a one off Easter egg NPC hidden in a forest that was just a Yellow Team Sylvanas Windrunner) and that this same team spent the time to create two separate models for the Dragonhawk one that is only High Elf and one that is Blood Elf depite the fact that of all the units you would think THAT would be the one they got lazy with since it only appears in a single mission in the actual Siege of Silvermoon as a counter to the Gargoyles Also fun fact: you can see this clash of Elves appear in Lost War of the Horde as i use a range of the stock Elves to cut down on people needing to download mods to support my custom maps
@DCPTF2 good insights and funny that they wouldn't go all out with some of the more important ones. Looking forward to playing the Reforged variant! I wonder how Re-Reforged does with it.
"The Elves must not be taken lightly." Arthas destroys the Elves with less than half the Undead Roster. Even the Noldor didn't lose this badly. That said, I think there was one map in Warcraft 2's first campaign. I'm not sure it was IN Quel'Thalas, but nearby and involving the Elves. Oh no. I'm wrong. It was technically Act III Quel'Thalas of the Orc Campaign as a whole. A bunch of it involves an attack on the place, or bits of it. I was thinking of the Elven Runestone or whatnot, but there is more than that, and we get Death Knights at the end of it. I suppose that they were always doomed to get squashed by Death Knights (or a Death Knight). Arthas giving his Undead minions a pep talk at the end there is... weird. Show's he's a bit delusional.
Yeah, we crushed them easily 💪🏻 I completely forgot... and it was an entire act 😂🤣 I'm not sleeping much these days and it is impacting my memory. Interestingly, the original idea for the Undead was for them to be a breakaway faction of the Horde, led by the Death Knights from Warcraft 2 and the shadow council. The pep talk must either be for him or he is still used to leading humans
@@mickcraftgaming I also forgot it was an entire Act... and I didn't even remember the fact the end of the Act involves burning the whole place. But you have a reasonable excuse for not recalling!
Summoning skeletons is cute gimmick in base game, but with FT additional units and research it is pretty reliable strategy if one let UD setup meat wagons, statues and necros to just continuously flood enemy base with skellyboys. Even Dispel/Sprites have limited use. 33:33 classic Reforged.
The addition of skeletal mages in the Frozen Throne is HUGE. Looking forward to using them. 🧊 Yeah, Reforged has a lot of random bugs like that. It doesn't play the end campaign cinematics properly either.
there are 3 possible paths for Sylvanas to attack your base: the bottom left (where you place the Necropolis), the bottom right (where you battle Sylvanas) or the top right (where you start attacking the Elven outposts) those 3 paths can only be opened by destroying the trees with your Ghouls or Meat Wagons
also, heal Necromancers with Death Coil whenever Sylvanas targets them & also, in this mission, you can cast Unholy Frenzy only on Arthas, since Arthas has much HP than Necromancers & Ghouls & gives Arthas a massive attack speed
People have done a good job covering most other aspects, so I'll bring up something I haven't mentioned - the rather unique direction old Blizz took with the Scourge theme-wise. Sure, they could've gone with any ol' spooky-scary-skeleton theming and music, and indeed Necromancers and whatnot sport the aesthetic - but then there's the sheer awesome discordant, almost modern electronic-feeling music made of crazy chimes and energetic fast-paced rhythms. It's not a shambling wall of zombies or a classic horror - it's an energetic predatory force running on arcane energy and evil cultish magic, and it sounds that way. And the more diverse and unusual sides of the Scourge, like the Nerubian buildings or the meat wagon catapults, help drive the point home. It's an army of the dead that is "alive" with its evil purpose.
I still remember how lowkey hyped I was to hear the Scourge-style music return in early WoW, and how I felt it was kind of a mistake that they leaned more into "typical" horror music with much of Scourge-themed stuff later on, to the point where "classic" Scourge music returning in the 5-man Icecrown instances sometimes felt like a return to form, however brief.
you've been to quel'thalas in the Orc Misson "the Dead of Silvermoon" when you can build your first Temple of the damned. according to the new "fan made version of WC2" the Horde entered Quel'thalas, but were never able to raze Silvermoon.
@narffran8151 thank you! I couldn't recall if we had been to Quel'Thalas yet in the campaigns
@@mickcraftgaming I just checked, starting with "The Runestone of Caer Darrow" all the Oc missions take place in Quel'thalas - it's even mentioned as ACT 3 "Quel'thalas"
@@narffran8151 yep you know what, I remember that now!
one last thing to note: if there are no more trees near the Graveyard, have an Acolyte unsummon the Graveyard tto refund 50% of your gold & build another one near the trees
I forgot buildings could be unsummoned!
@@mickcraftgaming yes, but the refund was half, which seems painful, since you won't get the full refund for unsummoning
@kennethaninon6913 only for desperate situations or buildings that aren't needed then
@@mickcraftgaming true
don't underestimate the High Elves, they may not be powerful, but they are powerful in huge numbers
Very true!
@@mickcraftgaming indeed, also, I wonder which Warcraft III campaign you're gonna play next after Path of the Damned? (Classic graphics)
I've always been a fan of Sylvanas. I don't totally love what they did with her story in WoW, but she still rocks pretty hard.
Yeah she's cool - if anything, her story arc is just complicated and confusing at this point.
I wish we got to see her sister Alleria in The Frozen Throne when they went to Outland
For the scourge 💀
💀💀💀
The Quel'thalas missions in Reforged are some of the best but at the same time laziest reuse of assets in all of WC3R.
As we know between Regin of Chaos and The Frozen Throne the Elves turn into the Blood Elves and part of that change is a full change up to the character models, well WC3R does that too, if you go looking in the map editor you can actually find both a High Elf and Blood Elf variant to most of the Elves, i say most because some Elves clearly don't have a RoC twin such as the Bloof Elf Engineers or Spellbreakers, however two of the Models you would HOPE that would be is the Archer and the Swordsmen, Warcraft 3 Reforged however decided that, THAT wasn't actually important enough to create a second unit for, so in the RoC missions you actually see that the High Elf Swordsmen and the Archer are both using their TFT models and it's not just like they are reusing the Blood Elf Lieutenant either it's a full on new model that only has Green eyes and Red Highlights.
This is even funnier when you realize that for the archers they created an entire model for Jennalla Deemspring (a one off Easter egg NPC hidden in a forest that was just a Yellow Team Sylvanas Windrunner) and that this same team spent the time to create two separate models for the Dragonhawk one that is only High Elf and one that is Blood Elf depite the fact that of all the units you would think THAT would be the one they got lazy with since it only appears in a single mission in the actual Siege of Silvermoon as a counter to the Gargoyles
Also fun fact: you can see this clash of Elves appear in Lost War of the Horde as i use a range of the stock Elves to cut down on people needing to download mods to support my custom maps
@DCPTF2 good insights and funny that they wouldn't go all out with some of the more important ones. Looking forward to playing the Reforged variant! I wonder how Re-Reforged does with it.
"The Elves must not be taken lightly." Arthas destroys the Elves with less than half the Undead Roster. Even the Noldor didn't lose this badly.
That said, I think there was one map in Warcraft 2's first campaign. I'm not sure it was IN Quel'Thalas, but nearby and involving the Elves. Oh no. I'm wrong. It was technically Act III Quel'Thalas of the Orc Campaign as a whole. A bunch of it involves an attack on the place, or bits of it. I was thinking of the Elven Runestone or whatnot, but there is more than that, and we get Death Knights at the end of it. I suppose that they were always doomed to get squashed by Death Knights (or a Death Knight).
Arthas giving his Undead minions a pep talk at the end there is... weird. Show's he's a bit delusional.
Yeah, we crushed them easily 💪🏻
I completely forgot... and it was an entire act 😂🤣 I'm not sleeping much these days and it is impacting my memory.
Interestingly, the original idea for the Undead was for them to be a breakaway faction of the Horde, led by the Death Knights from Warcraft 2 and the shadow council.
The pep talk must either be for him or he is still used to leading humans
@@mickcraftgaming I also forgot it was an entire Act... and I didn't even remember the fact the end of the Act involves burning the whole place. But you have a reasonable excuse for not recalling!
@@Canuovea yeah I think I have a selective memory for the portions of the campaign that are considered canonical
@@mickcraftgaming The poor Horde Campaign, eh? Me too. I don't remember too much of it.
@@Canuovea will be worth another playthrough. I want to go back through WC2 in wide-screen
Summoning skeletons is cute gimmick in base game, but with FT additional units and research it is pretty reliable strategy if one let UD setup meat wagons, statues and necros to just continuously flood enemy base with skellyboys. Even Dispel/Sprites have limited use.
33:33 classic Reforged.
The addition of skeletal mages in the Frozen Throne is HUGE. Looking forward to using them. 🧊
Yeah, Reforged has a lot of random bugs like that. It doesn't play the end campaign cinematics properly either.
there are 3 possible paths for Sylvanas to attack your base:
the bottom left (where you place the Necropolis), the bottom right (where you battle Sylvanas) or the top right (where you start attacking the Elven outposts)
those 3 paths can only be opened by destroying the trees with your Ghouls or Meat Wagons
It was convenient to leave most of them closed off!
@@mickcraftgaming yeah, but I open the top right, because I plan to take all Gold Mines, whenever possible
@@kennethaninon6913 good strategy too
@@mickcraftgaming yes, because I never left a Gold Mine unused or ran out by the AI
@@kennethaninon6913 total domination of the map 💪🏻
also, heal Necromancers with Death Coil whenever Sylvanas targets them & also, in this mission, you can cast Unholy Frenzy only on Arthas, since Arthas has much HP than Necromancers & Ghouls & gives Arthas a massive attack speed
Good use of unholy frenzy!
@@mickcraftgaming true, Unholy Frenzy should only be used on your own units that have at least 500 hit points or a Hero
@@kennethaninon6913 makes sense
@@mickcraftgaming correct